"Why Mormonism Can Abide Gay Marriage" Brad Carmack Sunstone Presentation, 6 August 2011 | Sex Organ | Testicle

Why Mormonism Why Mormonism ,3 ,3

Abide Gay Marriage Abide Gay Marriage
Audience awareness Audience awareness
Could give a fairly accurate definition for Could give a fairly accurate definition for
both "intersex¨ and "transgender¨ both "intersex¨ and "transgender¨
Have read at least one article arguing for Have read at least one article arguing for
same same- -sex marriage within Mormonism sex marriage within Mormonism
From From 11- -10, familiarity with the biology 10, familiarity with the biology
behind sexual orientation behind sexual orientation
Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. "By their fruits¨ arguments 2. "By their fruits¨ arguments (e.g. the (e.g. the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
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Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. "By their fruits¨ arguments 2. "By their fruits¨ arguments (e.g. the (e.g. the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
Mormonism = gay marriage Mormonism = gay marriage
"As a doctrinal principle, based on the
scriptures, the Church affirms that marriage
between a man and a woman is essential to
the Creator´s plan for the eternal destiny of
His children. the Church accordingly affirms
defining marriage as the legal and lawful
union between a man and a woman.¨
- 2010 Church Handbook of Instructions,
Book 1, 17.3.10 (Same-Gender Marriages)
Mormonism = gay marriage Mormonism = gay marriage
"Sexual relations are proper only between a
man and a woman who are legally and
lawfully wedded as husband and wife. Any
other sexual relations, including those
between persons of the same gender, are
sinful and undermine the divinely created
institution of the family.¨
- 2010 Church Handbook of Instructions,
Book 1, 17.3.10 (Same-Gender Marriages)
Mormonism = gay marriage Mormonism = gay marriage
Mormonism = gay marriage Mormonism = gay marriage
-Church´s opposition to SSM (same-sex
marriage) in Alaska, California, and Hawaii
-Various scriptures
-Family Proclamation
-Condemnation of homosexual conduct by
leaders
Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. "By their fruits¨ 2. "By their fruits¨ arguments (e.g. the arguments (e.g. the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
Ye shall know them by their fruits Ye shall know them by their fruits
"He taught us to evaluate attitudes and
actions not by their conformity to the letter of
a generalized law but rather according to their
compatibility with the spirit of love and the
degree to which they promote self-
development.¨
Homosexual orientation isn't just Homosexual orientation isn't just
about lust about lust
Homosexual orientation can be
described as a constellation of
romantic/sexual/emotional
inclinations: in other words, valid
human love. Thus, like
heterosexual orientation, it can be
applied to forge strong pair
relationships, which can in turn
found a stable marriage.
How does orientation buttress How does orientation buttress
stability? stability?
Sex!
- Oxytocin
- Dopamine
Romantic interest helps too
Don´t forget companionate love and
emotional intimacy
Same Same- -sex marriage is sex marriage is .438038:, .438038:,
&nlike some sexual orientations,
such as toward children or teenagers
(e.g. ephebophilia), homosexual
orientation is comparable to
heterosexual orientation. Both
orientations buttress the stability of
the marital relationship through
creating and maintaining consent by
both adult partners.
Same Same- -sex marriage: more stable sex marriage: more stable
than cohabitation than cohabitation
Less celibacy Less celibacy
If ever there were an anti-family
institution, it´s celibacy. Many gay
members cannot in good conscience
marry a member of the opposite sex.
Thus, they either stay celibate for life
or risk their membership.
Gay marriage creates, rather than
prevents, family.
Procreation Procreation
argument argument
Procreation argument Procreation argument
"[S]exual relations within marriage are
divinely approved not only for the purpose of
procreation, but also as a way of expressing
love and strengthening emotional and
spiritual bonds between husband and wife.¨
-CHI 21.4.4
Same-sex couples, like any infertile married
couple, stand to benefit from the bonding
effect of sexual relations.
Procreation argument Procreation argument
Procreation is incident, not
foundational to, marriage: witness
infertile couples. They are no less
married despite their inability to
reproduce naturally. The same can
be said of same-sex couples.
Procreation argument Procreation argument
Does this infertile couple
misunderstand the purpose of
marriage?
Procreation argument Procreation argument
How about this infertile couple?
Procreation argument Procreation argument
Anyway, same-sex couples can
reproduce.
Benefits of Marriage Benefits of Marriage
Married people have longer life expectancies than
unmarried peers.
Married people are more productive, have higher
incomes, and enjoy more family time than the
unmarried.
Married people experience less depression.
Married people had considerably less depression
and fewer problems with alcohol than did
unmarried people.
Witherspoon Institute, Marriage and the Public Good: 10 Principles, 2006, p.20,
www.princetonprinciples.org
L. Waite & E. Lehrer, The Benefits from Marriage & Religion in the &.S.: A Comparative
Analysis, !opulation & Development Review, Vol 29, No. 2, une 2003, p. 264.
Same Same- -sex couples can parent sex couples can parent
Both raising and bearing a child are
vital.
Same-sex couples can rear children,
and, compared to cohabitation,
same-sex families (children and
parents) are likely to reap the same
benefits from being married that
opposite-sex families do.
Same Same- -sex couples can parent sex couples can parent
Some research
indicates they
parent as or more
effectively than
opposite-sex
couples
Providing reliable caregivers Providing reliable caregivers
If marriage means anything, it is that you´re
there for each other "in sickness and in health,¨
in the ups and the downs. Compared to celibacy,
this means lifetimes of caretaking which would
otherwise be neglected or picked up by the state.
Providing Reliable Caregivers
"A husband or wife is the social worker
of first resort, the psychiatrist of first
resort, the cop and counselor and
insurer and nurse and 911 operator of
first resort.¨
onathan Rauch, ay Marriage:
Why it is ood for ays, ood
for Straights, and ood for
America, 2004, pg. 23.j
In my view, this is the #1 reason to
support gay marriage in Mormonism.
Settling young men Settling young men
&nmarried men between 24 and 35 are three
times as likely to murder another male, and are
more likely to rape and rob, among other risks,
than their married counterparts. Some gay men,
rather than celibacy, would instead choose
marriage were it encouraged and available.
Gain points with the public Gain points with the public
Trend is toward acceptance of gay
relationships.
Lose points for consistency in the
short term.
However, the longer the Church
waits, the worse they look (think
1978 lifting the ban). Best strategy
long term? Change now.
Relieved church members Relieved church members
Many men who sit on disciplinary
councils are anguished when faithful
members enter same-sex
relationships. Wounding delicate
souls by excommunication is a very
serious act.
This damaging practice would cease.
Relieved gay members Relieved gay members
Don´t have to hide who they are-
fewer distressed, duplicitous lives
bereft of integrity.
Relieved gay members Relieved gay members
Less despair about:
- Their future
- Belonging
- Self-worth
- Church discipline
- Family and church rejection
Relieved family members Relieved family members
Fewer straight spouses in the closet
or suffering from the difficulties of
being married to a gay spouse.
Fewer children of divorced or
conflicted marriages resulting from
mixed orientation.
More sheep in the fold More sheep in the fold
More gay people will stay within the
nurturing LDS community- as will
those who support them.
(Think of the missionaries that refuse
to serve, and the members that
leave, because they disagree with
LDS homosexuality policy)
More sheep in the fold More sheep in the fold
The children of gay and lesbian
families will grow up in the church
instead of outside it.
Converts who
wouldn´t otherwise
join, will.
Parents will have hope for their Parents will have hope for their
gay children gay children
Parents generally do not
want their gay children to:
- enter risky mixed
orientation marriages
- stay celibate for life
(think lifetime of lonely
dinners)
Parents generally do want their gay children
to:
-Have a robust opportunity for stable
marriage
Gay children will hope for Gay children will hope for
themselves themselves
Gay people generally do
not want to:
- enter risky mixed
orientation marriages
- stay celibate for life
(lifetime of lonely
dinners)
Gay people generally do want to:
-Have a robust opportunity for stable
marriage
Ye shall know them by their fruits Ye shall know them by their fruits
We´ve discussed over a dozen of the "fruits¨
(consequences) of gay marriage.
Are the fruits good, or bad?
Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. 2. "By their fruits¨ "By their fruits¨ arguments arguments (e.g. the (e.g. the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
Family Proclamation Family Proclamation
Does it forbid SSM? Does it forbid SSM?
"Marriage "Marriage between a man and between a man and a a
woman woman is ordained of is ordained of God¨ God¨
There are at least four possible
reasons why the Family Proc does
not forbid SSM in Mormonism.
Family Proclamation Family Proclamation
Reason #1: It´s not doctrine
""The only one authorized to bring forth any new
doctrine is the President of the Church, who, when he
does, will declare it as revelation from God, and it
will be so accepted by the Council of the Twelve and
sustained by the body of the Church."
(Polygamy) Manifesto, yes. 1978 (Polygamy) Manifesto, yes. 1978
Official Declaration lifting priesthood Official Declaration lifting priesthood
ban, yes. Family ban, yes. Family Proc Proc, no. , no.
Family Proclamation Family Proclamation
Reason #2: On it´s face, Reason #2: On it´s face, there is no there is no
prohibition of SSM prohibition of SSM
""Marriage between a man and a woman is Marriage between a man and a woman is
ordained of God ordained of God." ."
"A square is a quadrilateral.¨ "A square is a quadrilateral.¨ That doesn´t That doesn´t
preclude a rectangle from also being a preclude a rectangle from also being a
quadrilateral. quadrilateral.
Linguistically, the statement is not a Linguistically, the statement is not a
limitation. Marriage can still be between a limitation. Marriage can still be between a
man and a woman, even with SSM. man and a woman, even with SSM.
Family Proclamation Family Proclamation
Reason #3: The Reason #3: The Proc Proc allows for allows for
circumstance circumstance- -based adaptation based adaptation
"Disability, death, or other "Disability, death, or other circumstances may circumstances may
necessitate individual adaptation necessitate individual adaptation.." "
A persistent, predominant homosexual A persistent, predominant homosexual
orientation orientation is an "other circumstance is an "other circumstance
necessitating individual adaptation¨ if ever there necessitating individual adaptation¨ if ever there
was one. was one.
Family Proclamation Family Proclamation
Reason #4: The Family Proc´s construction
of gender is not physical; instead, it is
necessarily spiritual.
""Gender is an essential characteristic of Gender is an essential characteristic of
individual individual premortal premortal, mortal, and eternal , mortal, and eternal
identity and purpose identity and purpose." ."
Premortal Premortal = no physical body. Thus, = no physical body. Thus,
spiritual gender is what matters spiritual gender is what matters in regard in regard
to marriage. to marriage.
You can't measure shoe size You can't measure shoe size
with a thermometer with a thermometer
Or, how do you
discern spiritual
gender?
Disclaimer Disclaimer
Some of the following
images are graphic.
Boy or girl? Boy or girl?
We judge by physical appearance, do We judge by physical appearance, do
we not? we not?
Boy or girl? Boy or girl?
What about when appearance doesn´t What about when appearance doesn´t
give it away? give it away?
Discerning physical sex Discerning physical sex
1. 1. "Pull your pants down¨ test "Pull your pants down¨ test- - look at the genitals look at the genitals
2. 2. Genetic test (XX is female, XY male) Genetic test (XX is female, XY male)
3. 3. Gametes Gametes test test- - whichever gametes (eggs or whichever gametes (eggs or
sperm) a person makes defines the person´s sperm) a person makes defines the person´s
gender gender
Sex determination in a nutshell Sex determination in a nutshell
1. 1. In next few slides, focus on big picture In next few slides, focus on big picture
2. 2. Summary will be provided Summary will be provided afterward afterward
Sex Determination Sex Determination
Sexual Sexual genotype genotype (XY or XX) is responsible for (XY or XX) is responsible for
directing directing gonadal development gonadal development which directs which directs
external genitalia external genitalia development development
The various phases of sexual development are The various phases of sexual development are
controlled not only by controlled not only by sex chromosomal genes sex chromosomal genes
but by but by hormones hormones as well as well
Early Genital System Early Genital System
Development Ends in Development Ends in
a Bipotential Phase a Bipotential Phase
Gonad formation and Gonad formation and
differentiation begins with the differentiation begins with the
arrival of arrival of primordial germ primordial germ cells cells
from the yolk sac in the from the yolk sac in the
intermediate mesoderm in the 5 intermediate mesoderm in the 5
th th
week week
PGCs then move into the area PGCs then move into the area
that will become the that will become the genital genital
ridge ridge
In the 6 In the 6
th th
week somatic support week somatic support
cells form and invest the germ cells form and invest the germ
cells cells
- - These cells are essential for germ These cells are essential for germ
cell development within the gonad cell development within the gonad
From the From the
th th
week week on on
development of the male and development of the male and
female systems diverges female systems diverges
Male Male
Development Development
The The $# gene $# gene seems to control the seems to control the
cascade of events leading to male cascade of events leading to male
development development
- - Activated only from days 41 to 52 Activated only from days 41 to 52
postovulation postovulation
- - Likely upregulates testis Likely upregulates testis- -specific specific
genes and/or represses ovarian genes and/or represses ovarian
genes genes
SRY is first expressed in the somatic SRY is first expressed in the somatic
support cells of the XY gonad support cells of the XY gonad
Support cells begin to differentiate Support cells begin to differentiate
into Sertoli cells and envelop the into Sertoli cells and envelop the
germ cells germ cells
77
th th
week week $ertoli cells along with $ertoli cells along with
interstitial cells interstitial cells of the gonad of the gonad
organize to form testis cords organize to form testis cords
enclosing the germ cells enclosing the germ cells
- - At puberty the testis cords At puberty the testis cords
differentiate into the seminiferous differentiate into the seminiferous
tubules tubules
- - Rete testis is formed by Sertoli cells Rete testis is formed by Sertoli cells
which have not surrounded germ which have not surrounded germ
cells cells
esonephric ducts will form the esonephric ducts will form the
epididymis, spermatic ducts, vas epididymis, spermatic ducts, vas
deferens, and seminal vesicle deferens, and seminal vesicle
Tunica albuginea forms as Tunica albuginea forms as
connective tissue separating the connective tissue separating the
coelomic epithelium from the testis coelomic epithelium from the testis
cords cords
Divergence of Male and Female Divergence of Male and Female
Development Development
Male Male
- - In 6 In 6
th th
week a urethral groove forms along week a urethral groove forms along
the ventral surface of the genital tubercle the ventral surface of the genital tubercle
- - Initially the groove only extends part Initially the groove only extends part- -way way
down the shaft of the phallus down the shaft of the phallus
- - The urethral groove becomes the The urethral groove becomes the penile penile
urethra urethra when the urethral folds fuse in the when the urethral folds fuse in the
midline midline
- - &rethra forms in the glans by &rethra forms in the glans by
canalization canalization of the urethral plate of the urethral plate
- - Perineal region lengthens and the Perineal region lengthens and the
labioscrotal labioscrotal folds folds fuse to form the fuse to form the
scrotum scrotum
Female Female
- - Perineum does not lengthen and the Perineum does not lengthen and the
labioscrotal folds and urethra folds do not labioscrotal folds and urethra folds do not
fuse along the midline fuse along the midline
- - &rethral folds become &rethral folds become labia minora labia minora
- - Labioscrotal folds become Labioscrotal folds become labia majora labia majora
- - Phallus bends inferiorly to become the Phallus bends inferiorly to become the
clitoris clitoris
- - Phallic portion of urogenital sinus becomes Phallic portion of urogenital sinus becomes
the vestibule of the vagina the vestibule of the vagina
Hypospadias Hypospadias
Common Common
manifestation of (but manifestation of (but
not limited to) male not limited to) male
pseudohermaphrodis pseudohermaphrodis
m m
&rethra opens to the &rethra opens to the
ventral surface of the ventral surface of the
penis penis
Hypospadias result Hypospadias result
from from failure of failure of
formation or fusion formation or fusion
of the urethra folds of the urethra folds
(penile shaft) (penile shaft)
Androgen Ìnsensitivity Syndrome (Testicular Androgen Ìnsensitivity Syndrome (Testicular
Feminization Syndrome) Feminization Syndrome)
Genetically Genetically
male; looks male; looks
female female
Sex determination in a nutshell Sex determination in a nutshell
1. 1. Summary: Summary:
2. 2. SRY gene on the Y chromosome causes a SRY gene on the Y chromosome causes a
bipotential bipotential embryo to develop male embryo to develop male- -type type
characteristics characteristics
3. 3. Results from abnormal processes? Individuals Results from abnormal processes? Individuals
with male genes but female genitalia and vice with male genes but female genitalia and vice
versa; individuals with male genes and both versa; individuals with male genes and both
male and female genitalia; individuals with male male and female genitalia; individuals with male
and female genes; and female genes; and everything in between and everything in between. .
Sex determination in a nutshell Sex determination in a nutshell
"Nature doesn´t draw any lines on us: "Nature doesn´t draw any lines on us:
we draw lines on nature.¨ we draw lines on nature.¨
"Look not on his countenance, or on "Look not on his countenance, or on
the height of his stature; because I the height of his stature; because I
have refused him: for the Lord have refused him: for the Lord
aa
seeth seeth
not as not as
b b
man man seeth seeth; for man ; for man looketh looketh on on
the outward appearance¨ 1 Sam. 16:7 the outward appearance¨ 1 Sam. 16:7
Discerning physical gender Discerning physical gender
1. 1. "Pull your pants down¨ test "Pull your pants down¨ test- - look at the genitals look at the genitals
2. 2. Genetic test (XX is female, XY male) Genetic test (XX is female, XY male)
3. 3. Gametes Gametes test test- - whichever gametes (eggs or whichever gametes (eggs or
sperm) a person makes defines the person´s sperm) a person makes defines the person´s
gender gender
"Pull your pants down¨ test "Pull your pants down¨ test- - look look
at the genitals at the genitals
True Hermaphrodites True Hermaphrodites
Have sex chromosomes, genitalia, and/or Have sex chromosomes, genitalia, and/or
secondary sex characteristics that are a secondary sex characteristics that are a
mixture of both male and female mixture of both male and female
Can be chromosomal males, chromosomal Can be chromosomal males, chromosomal
females, or mosaics females, or mosaics
Gonads are usually streak Gonads are usually streak- -like and contain both like and contain both
seminiferous tubules and follicles seminiferous tubules and follicles
- - In 20% of cases the individual will have an ovary In 20% of cases the individual will have an ovary
or ovotestis on one side and a testis on the other or ovotestis on one side and a testis on the other
Mosaics (and female mosaics where the X Mosaics (and female mosaics where the X
chromosome in some cells has the SRY gene chromosome in some cells has the SRY gene
attached) can be explained since cells with SRY attached) can be explained since cells with SRY
will form testicular tissue while those without will form testicular tissue while those without
will form ovarian tissue will form ovarian tissue
True Hermaphrodites True Hermaphrodites
Girl or boy? Girl or boy?
Caster Caster
Semenya Semenya, , Santhi Santhi
Soundarajan Soundarajan
The stats The stats
Discerning physical sex Discerning physical sex
1. 1. "Pull your pants down¨ test "Pull your pants down¨ test- - look at the genitals look at the genitals
2. 2. Genetic test (XX is female, XY male) Genetic test (XX is female, XY male)
3. 3. Gametes Gametes test test- - whichever gametes (eggs or whichever gametes (eggs or
sperm) a person makes defines the person´s sperm) a person makes defines the person´s
gender gender
4. 4. Bottom line: all people don´t fit neatly into "boy¨ Bottom line: all people don´t fit neatly into "boy¨
and "girl¨ categories and "girl¨ categories
So what? Why does this matter? So what? Why does this matter?
Most Most people aren´t "fringe¨ cases people aren´t "fringe¨ cases- -
they´re clearly male or female, right? they´re clearly male or female, right?
Voting to alter nature? Voting to alter nature?
"Years ago I visited a school in Albuquerque. The "Years ago I visited a school in Albuquerque. The
teacher told me about a youngster who brought a teacher told me about a youngster who brought a
kitten to class. As you can imagine, that kitten to class. As you can imagine, that
disrupted everything. She had him hold the kitten disrupted everything. She had him hold the kitten
up in front of the children. up in front of the children.
It went well until one of the children asked, " It went well until one of the children asked, "Is it Is it
a boy kitty or a girl kitty? a boy kitty or a girl kitty?¨¨
Not wanting to get into that lesson, the teacher Not wanting to get into that lesson, the teacher
said, "It doesn´t matter. It´s just a kitty.¨ said, "It doesn´t matter. It´s just a kitty.¨
But they persisted. Finally, one boy raised his But they persisted. Finally, one boy raised his
hand and said, "I know how you can tell.¨ hand and said, "I know how you can tell.¨
Resigned to face it, the teacher said, "How can Resigned to face it, the teacher said, "How can
you tell?¨ you tell?¨
Voting to alter nature? Voting to alter nature?
And the student answered, "You can vote on it!¨ And the student answered, "You can vote on it!¨
You may laugh at this story, but if we are not You may laugh at this story, but if we are not
alert, there are those today who not only tolerate alert, there are those today who not only tolerate
but advocate voting to change laws that would but advocate voting to change laws that would
legalize immorality, legalize immorality, as if a vote would somehow as if a vote would somehow
alter the designs of God´s laws and nature alter the designs of God´s laws and nature. A law . A law
against nature would be impossible to enforce. against nature would be impossible to enforce.
For instance, what good would a vote against the For instance, what good would a vote against the
law of gravity do?¨ law of gravity do?¨
- -President Packer, October 2010, Cleansing the Inner Vessel President Packer, October 2010, Cleansing the Inner Vessel
So, let's vote! So, let's vote!
Bottom Line: Bottom Line: We don't know a We don't know a
person's spiritual sex person's spiritual sex
- -What is the height of What is the height of
this person´s spirit? this person´s spirit?
- -If physical sex is If physical sex is ambiguous ambiguous, , it cannot serve as the it cannot serve as the
basis for a judgment of basis for a judgment of unambiguous unambiguous (remember (remember- -
gender is an "essential¨ characteristic) gender is an "essential¨ characteristic) spiritual sex. spiritual sex.
- -How about the shoe size How about the shoe size
of this person´s spirit? of this person´s spirit?
You can't measure shoe size You can't measure shoe size
with a thermometer with a thermometer
Neither can you
measure spiritual
gender by physical
appearance.
Bishop's dilemma
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Taylor
Perform the
marriage or
not?
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Taylor
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Taylor
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Taylor
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Excommunication Exaltation
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If physical appearance cannot ground
the bishop´s decision, the criterion of
appearance must be rejected, not just
the "fringe¨ cases.
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Conclusion from uncertainty: perform both
marriages, or perform neither; choosing only one
couple is irrational.
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$579:, $579:, sex of each? sex of each?
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Excommunication Exaltation
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At the judgment bar, shouldn´t these couples´
fate be determined by their behavior toward
each other, rather than on the level of a
hormone present in the womb?
34 Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all 34 Wherefore, verily I say unto you that all
things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time things unto me are spiritual, and not at any time
have I given unto you a law which was temporal; have I given unto you a law which was temporal;
neither any man, nor the children of men; neither neither any man, nor the children of men; neither
Adam, your father, whom I created. Adam, your father, whom I created.
35 Behold, I gave unto him that he should be an 35 Behold, I gave unto him that he should be an
agent unto himself; and I gave unto him agent unto himself; and I gave unto him
commandment, but no temporal commandment commandment, but no temporal commandment
gave I unto him, gave I unto him, for my commandments are for my commandments are
spiritual; spiritual; they are not natural nor temporal, they are not natural nor temporal,
neither carnal nor sensual neither carnal nor sensual..
D&C 29 D&C 29
Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. "By their fruits¨ arguments 2. "By their fruits¨ arguments (e.g. the (e.g. the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
Scriptures Scriptures
Restoration scriptures (Book of Mormon,
Pearl of Great Price, Doctrine and
Covenants) are silent about SSM and
homosexuality: a rather significant
omission.
"The Bible condemns homosexuality.¨
one of the five bible verses commonly
cited to condemn homosexual behavior
unequivocally support that proposition.
Scriptures Scriptures
Genesis 19: nhospitality/lack of charity is
more likely the sin of Sodom
Leviticus 18: More likely condemns a
foreign practice than a sinful one
Paul (Romans 1, 1 Corinthians 6, 1
Timothy 1): more likely condemned
heterosexuals engaging in homosexual
acts, and relied on the no-longer-binding
Levitical prohibition
Law of chastity Law of chastity
"The "The Lord´s law of Lord´s law of chastity. chastity. legally legally
and lawfully and lawfully wedded as husband and wedded as husband and
wife wife.¨ .¨ - -CHI 2010, 21.4.5 CHI 2010, 21.4.5
The law of chastity is one
of very few church moral
standards tied to an external legal
concept. Arguably, married same-sex
couples are already living this law.

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Polygamy; 2 Polygamy; 2
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blacks/ blacks/
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gay marriage gay marriage
"The "The only men who become Gods, only men who become Gods,
even the sons of God, even the sons of God, are those who are those who
enter into enter into polygamy polygamy.¨ .¨
"The "The attitude of the Church with attitude of the Church with
reference to Negroes remains as it reference to Negroes remains as it
has always stood. has always stood. It is not a matter It is not a matter
of the declaration of a policy but of of the declaration of a policy but of
direct commandment direct commandment from the Lord, from the Lord,
on which is founded the doctrine of on which is founded the doctrine of
the the Church.¨ Church.¨
Bottom line Bottom line
Doctrinal positions can be Doctrinal positions can be
reinterpreted or changed. reinterpreted or changed.
Like (1) necessary Like (1) necessary- -to to- -salvation salvation
polygamy and (2) racial priesthood polygamy and (2) racial priesthood
positions, the positions, the current anti current anti- -gay gay
marriage marriage position position may be may be
reinterpreted or reversed reinterpreted or reversed. .
Church Handbook, Church Church Handbook, Church
Leaders Leaders
"Not even statements from the First
Presidency which have appeared in
various editions of the bishop´s handbook
can make the claim of [being revelation]
since they represent an arbitration of
policy, not doctrine.¨
Chris Chris Bigelow Bigelow
"God "God has a penis. Created in his has a penis. Created in his
image, his male children also have image, his male children also have
penises, and they are commanded to penises, and they are commanded to
use them only in Godlike use them only in Godlike ways. ways.
""When When I hear liberal Mormons I hear liberal Mormons
romanticize the notion of gay romanticize the notion of gay
marriage, marriage, I think they are glossing I think they are glossing
over the cold reality that the physical over the cold reality that the physical
aspects of such unions are simply aspects of such unions are simply
unacceptable unacceptable in Mormon theology, in Mormon theology,
period period.¨ .¨
Bill Bradshaw Bill Bradshaw
&nable to imagine themselves engaging in &nable to imagine themselves engaging in such such
activity activity, they (heterosexuals) may perceive it to , they (heterosexuals) may perceive it to
be unnatural, a be unnatural, a perversion. since perversion. since this is deemed this is deemed
a private matter, a private matter, the mechanics of love the mechanics of love- -making making
are are neither prescribed neither prescribed nor proscribed nor proscribed, ,
thoughtfulness and sensitivity to the feelings of thoughtfulness and sensitivity to the feelings of
one´s mate one´s mate being the being the most important most important
consideration consideration..
Gay sex is not unnatural or gross: Gay sex is not unnatural or gross: to gay people to gay people..
There might be same There might be same- -sex sex
couples in heaven couples in heaven
If there are only polygamous or
monogamous male-female marriages
in heaven, one or the other group
has a long way to go (i.e. there is
likely at least some level of marital
diversity).
We have no affirmative evidence that
same-sex couples are absent from
heaven.
Godhead analogy Godhead analogy
The best example in the universe
that we have of the intersection of
love, commitment, and unity is not
of a marriage between a man and a
woman. It is instead a
union of three males:
the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Ghost.
We do not know the mechanism(s) of We do not know the mechanism(s) of
spiritual reproduction spiritual reproduction
If it´s by sexual intercourse, God has
an obscene amount of sex.
We do know male spirit(s) breathed
life into Adam´s nostrils, and formed
his body from the dust of the earth.
This seems closer to reproduction in
the lab that it does to male-female
intercourse.
Omnipotent same-sex couples might
be able to reproduce spiritually.
Analogy to Widow Remarriage Analogy to Widow Remarriage
First marriage
Second
marriage
Outline Outline
1. Evidence of the Church´s anti 1. Evidence of the Church´s anti- -gay gay
marriage stance marriage stance
2. 2. "By their fruits¨ "By their fruits¨ arguments (e.g arguments (e.g. the . the
value of gay marriage to society) value of gay marriage to society)
3. 3. Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures, Doctrinal arguments (e.g. scriptures,
Family Proclamation) Family Proclamation)
4. Conclusions 4. Conclusions
Conclusions Conclusions
Mormonism Mormonism can can abide gay marriage. abide gay marriage.
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