INTERVIEW Bart Weetjens

Bart Weetjens with reporter Alexis Bloom

"In the village of Malpoolenge in Mozambique, there was one mine

accident near the water pit, and the whole village moved away from their
homes to live in a refugee camp … In the end they only found three more
mines. So, a total of four mines in the vicinity of the water pit made
25,000 people move away from their normal habitat."

As director of the Belgian APOPO demining operation, Bart Weetjens witnesses every day the unique abilities
of the African giant pouched rat. But he also sees the lasting effect land mines can leave on communities and
people. In this interview with FRONTLINE/World reporter Alexis Bloom, he talks about how one land mine
incident can force an entire community to disperse. He also addresses the obstacles he faced in getting the
program running and argues that rats are a misunderstood species.

Q: Alexis Bloom: Bart, how would you describe the ideal APOPO rat?
A: Bart Weetjens: The ideal rat is one that is not too nervous and one with an extremely keen sense of smell,
because there’s a huge variation between animals. Not all rats are suitable to work as mine detectors. It also
has very stable behavior and interacts well with human beings.

Q: Can you explain the process of demining and how the rats operate?
A: The rats work in sections, 100 square meters at a time. They are 5-by-20-meter or 10-by-10-meter boxes.
Each box takes about 25 to 30 minutes to get through. As a comparison, a miner would be able to get through
about 50 square meters a day.

Q: So when they smell that explosive in the ground, they think they’re going to get food?
A: Yeah, they associate this particular explosive scent with the food they want.

Q: Sort of like Pavlov’s dog?

A: Well, yes and no. It’s classic conditioning. We associate a click sound with the food reward. Once an animal
knows that the click means food, whatever behavior it does to get that click, it will repeat because it knows it
will get food.

Q: Couldn’t that be a problem, though? They could just scratch randomly to get the food
reward instead of indicating the presence of explosives.
A: They don’t, though. Animals are far more honest than humans. These rats, they’re just … they’re nice
creatures. There’s a lot of misperception about rats. And that originates from the Middle Ages, when rats were
accused of transmitting plague -- which is, by the way, not true. It was the fleas on the rats that transmitted
the plague, not the rats. The rats were just victims. Of course, they do destroy crops and do transmit diseases.
But if you treat them well and give them the proper housing and the proper care, they are actually very
organized, neat animals. They’re very kind also, and they have very complex social structures.

Q: With your history and training as a product designer, where does your interest in working
with mine detection rats come from?
A: When I was a boy, I had a passion for rodents. One day I was given a hamster, and I was so fond of this
hamster that I gave it another hamster as a playmate. Soon, I had a lot of hamsters. And I also brought in
some rats, some gerbils, some mice -- which I kept until I was about 14 years old.

Q: How did that early interest turn into your life’s work?
A: Well, I was working as a product engineer, designing coaches, travel buses, and I wasn’t really happy there.
I didn’t really feel like I was contributing to the real world. At the same time, in the ’90s, there was this
growing consciousness of the land mine problem and the devastating consequences of land mines in Africa. I
decided that’s what I wanted to work on, so I gave up my job and started focusing on the land mine problem. I
visited Angola and Mozambique, and I saw, for instance in Mozambique, land mine detection groups working
with dogs. They had lots of problems with the dogs, particularly health problems. They had brought in 20
dogs, and after three months they only had 13 left. Seven dogs died from disease. At that moment I hadn’t
made the link yet towards rats. That happened only after reading articles of American scientists who, in the
’70s, had trained gerbils for the purpose of explosive detection in airports. That for me was a match. Of course
rats could do that job.

Q. How did people respond to your idea about using rats? Did you have to overcome
prejudices?
A: Yeah, lots; in the beginning it was really tough. Everywhere I went to apply for funding, we were just
laughed at. Most institutions were very, very reluctant [to sponsor] such an approach. But I got support from
professors at Antwerp University. And, via the vice chancellor, we also got access to the Development
Corporation desk in Brussels, who finally gave us a one-year grant. Not a huge grant but sufficient for us to
start, to prove that it would be possible. With that first grant, we imported rats from Tanzania and started a
breeding program in Belgium. The youngsters we started making hand-tame. In the meantime, we tried out
different species of rats and all different training protocols. And when we applied them to the African giant
rat, we were successful. After two years, we had sufficient proof to bring the program to Tanzania and to
continue developing it with the Africans.

Q: Why did the African giant rat work? What is it about their behavior?
A: Well, for example, when we reward them with peanuts, they don’t eat them immediately. They keep them in
their pouches until they reach their nest box and then bury them there to store for later. And in rainy season,
when food is plenty, they go around and collect a lot of food in their pouches and store it underground in
burrows. Later, in dry season, when food is scarce, they can find their way back to these stores with only their
sense of smell. So this is very close to land mine detection.

Q: In addition to the direct detection system of identifying contaminated areas on site, you
also run a remote tracing system. Can you tell us about that?
A: The system is called REST, for Remote Explosives Scent Tracing, and it can hopefully speed up the whole
demining process incredibly. Let me tell you, about 95 percent of a suspected area doesn’t contain any mines
or explosives at all. So, if you can open these areas, already, 95 percent of the problem is resolved. In order to
do this -- and rather than going [physically] everywhere, which takes a huge amount of time -- we have
conceived of this system, which consists of taking a sample in an area, bringing it to the lab and letting the rats
analyze it. When several rats in a row say this sample doesn’t contain any explosives, we can take it for granted
that the stretch of road doesn’t contain mines, bombs and so on. There is huge potential for quickly scanning
vast road networks across Africa, which is especially important because the roads provide access to the
villages. With an open road network, people can resume economic activity. So road infrastructure is essential
in development, especially in Africa, where already there is a fragile infrastructure. So say, for example, you
have about 4,000 kilometers of suspected roads. If you have to clear all of these manually, it’ll take a few
hundred years. This system is an attempt to find technology that can deal with the problem in a very fast way.
For every 100-meter stretch, we take one sample and bring it back to the lab, so every sample corresponds
with a stretch of road. The animals are actually opening the road by saying there are no explosives here; there
is no danger, which is also the case in more than 95 percent of the suspected area.

Q: So you’re saying that a lot of the areas do not have mines in them but, because a mine might
have been found one day close by, that whole area is [abandoned -- or suspected]?
A: Yes, indeed, and there are numerous
examples of it. For instance, in the village of
Malpoolenge in Mozambique, there was one
mine accident near the water pit, and the
whole village, which consisted of 25,000
people, moved away from their homes to live
in a refugee camp. It was, of course, a
priority area, so it was also cleared pretty
fast. But in the end they only found three
more mines. So, a total of four mines in the
vicinity of the water pit made 25,000 people
move away from their normal habitat. So the
consequences, the humanitarian
consequences, are huge.

Q: Have you ever known anybody who

has lost a limb due to a land mine?
A: Yeah, sure, in Angola even more than
Mozambique. For the moment in
Mozambique, there aren’t as many accidents
anymore because the problem has been properly met. However, in Angola, for instance, 0.5 percent of the
population -- that is, one in every 500 people -- has had some sort of mine accident and either suffers from an
amputation or has lost a finger or eyesight. So the impact of mines on society is huge. Being able to help these
people return to their villages and resume their normal lives -- accessing their acres and accessing their water
sources, and just seeing that life can be normal again -- I think that is the most rewarding motivation.

Q: Do you see other countries and peoples being able one day to replicate this project without
your expertise?
A: It is our wish that this project will replicate itself somehow. There is already an example, though it is not on
the African continent but in Colombia. They have a huge land mine problem, being the worst mined country in
Latin America. The Colombian police asked us a few questions and then started a program themselves to train
rats for the purpose of land mine detection. So it is a hope and has already begun realizing itself.

Q. What is the biggest challenge?

A: The main challenge for APOPO is to replicate this on a huge scale. We get lots of demands from all over the
world -- Lebanon, Afghanistan, Libya, Senegal, all the eleven Great Lakes region countries [of Africa], but also
Asian counties like Sri Lanka, Cambodia -- we cannot comply with all these requests. We will be happy to be
able this year to start a second operation. So it's like a drip on a hot plate. Well, not really, because what we do
makes a difference, but it goes way too slow. So if we could make this a profitable business, owned locally and
made in a sustainable way, we could make a much bigger impact.