Certainly a degree o subtlety was lost in my own response. Iused extreme examples o poverty in Arica and censorship inChina in the hope that it would be made clear that the internetis neither completely open or universally accessible, but to varying degrees throughout society both globally anddomestically, my personal example being that I cannot access Youube as I cannot nancially aord the new operatingsystem which would allow me to upgrade my browser. As orbeing instantaneous and always available, you obviously have amuch better broadband connection than I do. o be moreserious, you use a ew problematic terms such as 'developingcountries' and 'Americanisation' (which I approvingly note you spell with an 's' rather than a 'z,' but is, some might argue,'Europeanisation'), 'bourgeois' and 'middleclass.' When Iused the phrase 'middle class' (without a hyphen) I in no way intended this to be pejorative, my intended observation wasthat the development o the internet could not unequivocally be considered to be some sort o quantum leap in the progresso human culture, not until we are able to get some historicalperspective at least. Te concept o virtuality is equally raught,and I will not attempt to go into it right now. Your second post appears to revolve around issues o justication and judgement, rom my own perspective I ndthat there is at least some degree o irreconcilability here. My position is perhaps that any judgement is subjective, that is tosay personal, and this allows the possibility that thereore justication is a question o personal integrity, perhaps evendignity. Like DIY culture, this is all very well as a matter o principle, but in my personal experience o music culture, DIY hasn't turned out to mean that the most musically talentedhave access to make music no matter what their social status,it has come to mean that anyone with enough social status hasthat access, no matter what degree o talent. I could easily trapmysel in a reductive discussion o my own conicting viewpoints on this matter but I nd mysel in the position which I think was expressed by John Cage; "I have nothing tosay, and I'm saying it."
Tu Jul 01, 2010 11:26 pm
I eel I have to question the use o the G word as a indicatoror cultural elitism in this instance. Although the termGreenberg has become synonymous with a particular variety o uncompromising art criticism he was principally active at atime when there was an unprecedented expansion in thenumber o practicing artists. It was arguably more the sheernumber and homogeneity o 8th St. style painters subscribingto Greenberg’s opinions that spelt High Modernism’s doomrather than any ormal impasse suggested by notions o opticality or atness.Furthermore these Greenbergians you speak o were not parto a social elite but individuals with a lack o ormal arteducation compared with today’s standards. What littleeducation Americans had was requently paid or by theirparticipation in the Second World War as part o the GI Billo Rights introduced in 1944. I think it would be dangerous toseparate a orum dealing with the cultural implications o theinternet rom the great number o preceding devices that haveenabled substantial cultural development. It comes down tothe visibility o such activity as much as it’s volume. Justbecause the countless hundreds o skife bands ormed in the1950’s didn’t have a myspace prole (unlike the swathes o mediocre party noise acts that have succeeded them) doesn’tmean they didn’t exist.
Sat Jul 03, 2010 4:14 pm
I DigressI’m bored so I thought it best to spend my time productively online. I’ve read a lot o articles and seen a lot o things I’venever seen beore, but I orgot to go to work and I lost my jacket. Te open (to some) source that is the internet is shapingproduction and the work orce, creating creative capital,immaterial labor, speculative investment a series o wordcombination I overheard on public transport. Te internet or indeed computers and telephones havechanged the way we work, by this I'm not specically talkingabout the work o art. I mean work in the general sense. Temajority o city jobs involve no physical work, you are eyes andears, whereas you use to be arms and legs, but neither give youa head, o any real signicance.
I Digress, i we ollow the DIY ethos then surely the internetis the perect orum as it doesn't cost rent to have a voiceonline well not in the same way it does in the physical world,but yes it is a valid point to note that the continuous updatesrender everyones browsers deunct eventually and then youpay through the nose or http://lowtech.org/projects/n5m3/
"When bankers get together they talk about art. Whenartists get together, they talk about money." - Oscar Wilde
"Te entertainment business was a distribution business, inother words people who controlled pathways to people’seyeballs, where they sat in the movie theatre or how they got cable, those people controlled the media business...What makes the Internet a radical game changer is that it makesdistribution a commodity – in other words, anybody canhave a pathway to an eyeball – marketing becomes more important but distribution is almost trivial."
Quote taken rom http://www.standardoslo.no/v1/sql/ex.archive.php?shownews=47
o narrow this down to art, as I am under the impression that we are not simply speaking about the technological revolutionin general but how culture has been aected by this,predominantly the visual arts.