@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, welcome to today's #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:00:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58681144308285440

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@ColinTGraham For newcomers, don't try to follow everything, just interact with one or
two people. And don't forget the hashtag --> #mathchat
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:01:36 +0000 - tweet id 58681340358426624 - #3

@mathfour Hey everybody! #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:02:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58681486597029888 - #6

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "How do I introduce, or increase the amount of,
investigative work?" #mathchat
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:02:34 +0000 - tweet id 58681585662308352 - #7

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Hi Bon! See you've been champing at the bit for your
favourite day! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:03:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58681743615598592 - #10

@padgets #mathchat Hey Hey Hey its the HS science teacher from Iowa! :0)
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:03:42 +0000 - tweet id 58681871067910144 - #11

@mathfour Yepper. Although it is my favorite day. Not sure where you tripped and found
that extra u. #mathchat
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:04:07 +0000 - tweet id 58681975610933248 - #15

@mathfour @padgets Hey you! #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:04:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682013389037568 - #18

@ColinTGraham @padgets Hi Sharon. Jumping right in instead of 'lurking' this week,

eh? ;-) #mathchat
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:04:30 +0000 - tweet id 58682068917424128 - #19

@mathfour Gonna need this for #HSMath @mbteach: All McGraw Hill Math Apps FREE
until April 16th! http://bit.ly/hEDA3V #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:04:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682148017811456 - #22

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @padgets @mathfour #mathchat yep nto late this week and @ColinTGraham well we'll
see ;)
Fri, 15 Apr 2011 00:04:55 +0000 - tweet id 58682176530677760
5868217653067 - #23

@ColinTGraham @mathfour four The extra u is called spelling, which since English actually
started off in this part of the world... ;-P
; #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:05:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682361201688576 - #25

@padgets #mathchat anyone using mangahigh? found it this week and do not know if it is
a good math site
Fri Apr 15 00:05:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682405673902080 - #26

@ColinTGraham @padgets It generally gets good reviews from most of the people I've
talked to about it. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:06:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682571311161344 - #27

@padgets #mathchat thats what keeps me coming back! LOL

Fri Apr 15 00:06:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682678983147520 - #28

@mathfour @ColinTGraham I speak (and write Texan)... no relation. :D #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:07:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682828774313984 - #29

@ColinTGraham OK, let's start with a focusing question... How does investigative work
differ, if at all, from your usual maths lesson? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:07:46 +0000 2011 - tweet
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@padgets #mathchat well we are doing a new science class requires more math so I am
trying to find places for kids to get help when I am not around
Fri Apr 15 00:08:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58682979920261120 - #31

@mathfour @padgets We're specifically talking about Math Games at #HSMath in 2

hours - if you wanna join and talk about mangahigh
mangahi #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:08:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683059272298496 - #32

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Got a reference on "investigative work"? or

definition?#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:09:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683226855710720 - #33

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham @padgets So you see it as a way of getting students to find their own
answers, Sharon? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:09:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683272699461632 - #34

@mathfour @ColinTGraham
TGraham I ask because I'm wondering if it is "pure math"
investigations or "real world" stuff - or both. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:09:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683367884988416 - #35

@MrHonner I like to start a new topic with a structured investigation. Let students play
around, then try to harness that energy in summary #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:10:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683470783848449 - #36

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Yes, but I want to see what people think first, Bon!
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:10:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683489901477889 - #37

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat yes, and I took a look at the Khan

K Academy too
what is the thought on that?
Fri Apr 15 00:10:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683491986046976 - #38

@mathfour @ColinTGraham
TGraham I'm shutting up now. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:10:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683606272450560 - #39

@ColinTGraham @padgets As an alternative to a textbook, it provides another approach

to finding information/help. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:11:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683729505304577 - #40

@mathfour @MrHonner I start my probability/multiplication rule lecture with a discussion

about how many ways to make dinner. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:11:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683747473698816 - #41

@mathfour @padgets @ColinTGraham I'm not impressed with it. But the games part is
neat if you just want drills. #mathchat
#mathc
Fri Apr 15 00:11:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58683876905725952 - #42

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner How do you structure your investigations?

investigations? Is there any
open-endedness to them? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:12:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684049945923586 - #43

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @mathfour I think investigative math in the classroom is me (acting like I'm) fumbling
around and seeing what they direct me to do. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:12:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684066358247426 - #44

@MrHonner And hello, everyone! Where are

ar my manners? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:12:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684080342048768 - #45

@mathfour @MrHonner Do you have an example? (hi there :D) #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:12:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684192761974784 - #46

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Oh well the "shutting up" lasted a few seconds, anyway! ;-P
;
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:13:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684230770769920 - #47

@padgets @MrHonner #mathchat hi there!

Fri Apr 15 00:13:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684275779833856 - #48

@padgets @mathfour @ColinTGraham #mathchat I sure hope you 2 are freinds LOL
Fri Apr 15 00:13:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684431703085056 - #49

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Yes to open-endedness,

open endedness, especially to close. Have a series
of q's that [hopefully] lead groups to the main points #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:13:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684436887252992 - #50

@mathfour @ColinTGraham I actually meant that I was shutting up with asking for YOUR
definition. (notice I'm still shut up on that one...) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:14:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684507355742208
5868 - #51

@padgets #mathchat I have butterfingers

butterfinge tonight
Fri Apr 15 00:14:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684612741828608 - #52

@mathfour @padgets Who? @ColinTGraham? Nope - can'tt stand the man, personally.
But he makes a mean bean soup. (I'm FUNNY tonight!) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:14:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684691477311490 - #53

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @padgets @mathfour #mathchat ohhh ok what is in the bean soup besides the beans?
Fri Apr 15 00:15:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684835287416832 - #54

@mathfour @padgets Why the butterflies? #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:15:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684843583750144 - #55

@ColinTGraham @mathfour @padgets That would be funny peculiar, not funny haha! :-P
:
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:15:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684842996543488 - #56

@MrHonner And invite speculation and exploration after the basics have been discovered.
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:15:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684858838425600 - #57

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner So you are dealing with HS age,

age, is that right?#mathchat
right?
Fri Apr 15 00:16:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684969131843584 - #58

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat no I can't type nooooo spppellll chhheck LOL

Fri Apr 15 00:16:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684972441149440 - #59

@mathfour @MrHonner By open-endedness

open endedness you mean on the real line? I'm
confused.#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:16:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58684998307418112 - #60

@MrHonner @mathfour I like to intro recursion

recursion with a "how many regions do lines divide
the plane?" investigation. Easy to get groups playing #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:16:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685079064543232 - #61

@MrHonner @ColinTGraham Yes, HS students. #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:16:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685212606992384 - #62

@padgets #mathchat whoaaa what is recursion new word

Fri Apr 15 00:17:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685224321691649 - #63

inTGraham @MrHonner Good question. It might be easy with high

@mathfour @ColinTGraham
school age - but what about little ones? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:17:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685260757606400 - #64
#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ZeniaMc79 In my classroom, investigative maths requires the Pupils to think on a
deeper level. And perhaps to generalise?! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:17:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685381536792576 - #65

@mathfour @padgets recursion - over and over #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:17:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685400100769793 - #66

@ColinTGraham @padgets Recursion is when the next step is based on the previous
one, eg generating the Fibonacci series... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:17:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685440022167552 - #67

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat ohhhhh ok got it!!

Fri Apr 15 00:18:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685493440819200 - #68

@MrHonner @mathfour @ColinTGraham Well, what can little ones "play" with?#mathchat
with?
Fri Apr 15 00:18:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685581420544001 - #69

@ColinTGraham @PersidaC Hi Persida. What type of investigations do you do? How do

you introduce them? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:18:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685704439472128 - #70

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat whoaaaa again what is Fibonacci series? LOL

Fri Apr 15 00:19:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58685738392363009 - #71

@mathfour @padgets Fibonacci 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13... (bonus for you... what's

next?)#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:20:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686024892686337 - #72

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Coursework for GCSE in UK (age 15/16) is usually based

on an open investigation
stigation of some sort, so it begins around 13. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:20:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686087001935872 - #73

@padgets #mathchat @mathfour 21?

Fri Apr 15 00:20:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686142463221760 - #74

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @mathfour @padgets Yepper! Great job! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:21:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686289981095936 - #75

@mathfour @padgets http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fibonnaci_numbers #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:21:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686411662032896 - #76

@padgets #mathchat @mathfour whoohoo! oh ya oh ya doing the happy dance :)

Fri Apr 15 00:22:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686525256384512
8686525256384512 - #77

@mathfour Random fact: at my wedding I numbered the guest tables by

primes#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:22:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686540645277696 - #78

@kassiaowedekind @mathfour Its the only way for little ones! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:22:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686543996530690 - #79

@ColinTGraham Yes, for me too. RT @kassiaowedekind: @ColinTGraham To me

investigative work is the construction of understandind , mathematizing #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:22:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686555367288832 - #80

@ColinTGraham RT @PersidaC:
@PersidaC: By accessing bckgrnd knowledge 1st through prblms
then "guiding" to make own conclusns. Groups w/ a guiding wksheet. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:23:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686787027091458
58686787027 - #81

@padgets #mathchat for me investigative work is the scientific method

Fri Apr 15 00:23:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686866702086144 - #82

@ColinTGraham Investigations usually

usually are introduced at primary levels in
UK:http://bit.ly/hlgTvB gives some examples #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:23:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58686962902638592
586 - #83

@mathfour @MrHonner @kassiaowedekind Indeed - little ones investigate by playing

and observing (Daughter iss 19mo) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:24:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687003264421888 - #84

@mathfour @padgets Get thee behind me... GET THEE BEHIND ME! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:24:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687154678796288 - #85
#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham How is scientific different from mathematical approach, Sharon? RT
@padgets: #mathchat for me investigative work is the scientific method
Fri Apr 15 00:24:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687157249912832 - #86

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat what she said <<

Fri Apr 15 00:25:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687243367362560 - #87

@mathfour @ColinTGraham I used to do puzzles from GAMES magazine with my dad.

That started me on the road to math. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:25:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687351181950976 - #88

@mathfour @padgets My turn: please remind me of the steps

steps of the sci meth.#mathchat
meth.
Fri Apr 15 00:25:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687458463858688 - #89

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat IDK ummmm maybe the same as we both use
deductive and inductive reasoning?
Fri Apr 15 00:26:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id
d 58687487266131968 - #90

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Puzzles are a little different. They usually have one single
solution, whereass an investigation leads to questions... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:26:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687670406221824 - #91

@laurenteather Best booth at #nctm11? @ETAcuisenaire - awesome samples and so

interactive. Great staff, Loved it! #mathchat http://bit.ly/ewlzG1
Fri Apr 15 00:26:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687693248405504 - #92

@mathfour @padgets @ColinTGraham Oh... now here's a good discussion. Sci meth vs.
math investigation. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:27:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687735162085376 - #93

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat well write problem statement, Instructions, Hypothesis,.

data collecting, graphing results then conclusions
Fri Apr 15 00:27:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687757337378816 - #94

@mathfour @ColinTGraham We would do cryptograms - and never consulted the answer

key. So it was all investigation. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:27:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687874597519360 - #95

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @padgets @mathfour #mathchat oh ya! :0)
Fri Apr 15 00:27:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58687885951500288 - #96

@padgets #mathchat maybe the sci method more open ended?

Fri Apr 15 00:28:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688083469668352 - #97

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Also puzzles have lots of different paths to a solution (or
starts of paths) so it IS investigation. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:28:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688122053083137 - #98

@ColinTGraham @padgets For me: Science=observe,

Science=observe, hypothesize, test.
Maths=(observe), postulate, deduce, prove #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:28:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688161349509120 - #99

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Furthermore, you can argue that there is still one solution in
math investigations (you still get to y=mx+b, e.g.) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:29:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688262193152001 - #100

@ColinTGraham @mathfour That final result is based on accepting the assumptions

made at the very beginning though... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:29:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688465780477952 - #101

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @padgets To this end, sci meth is same as math

investigation. observe, hypothesize, test (no proof nec. at this age) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:29:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688469270151168 - #102

@MrHonner @mathfour My niece and I have a routine of playing with Magnaformers

(magnetic polygons). Always a great fun talk about it, too. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:29:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688471413436416 - #103

@padgets #mathchat this is sooo cool ;)

Fri Apr 15 00:30:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688574719135744 - #104

@MrHonner I think teaching students to pose and refine questions is another key
component of investigation. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:30:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688661935489024 - #105

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham Today's topic is tied in quite closely with last week's on geometry. There
needs to be some kind of exploration at first. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:31:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58688803342266369 - #106

@ColinTGraham @MrHonner Getting students to recognize the type of question which

will be fruitful can be challenging though... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:32:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689021630611457 - #107

@midhamohit #mathchat #HSMath @mathfour See Mangahigh #GBL research: 100%

teachers across 8 schools found kids more engaged http://bit.ly/ijAMUJ
Fri Apr 15 00:33:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689349667135488 - #108

@ColinTGraham @mathfour "finding the answer" is not quite the same as exploring, so
I'd disagree with your definition of investigating here... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:33:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689383951372288
689383951372288 - #109

@padgets #mathchat when we do our our inquiry labs kids have to come up with own
problem statement instructions so on they struggle 1st couple of times
Fri Apr 15 00:34:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689567674470400 - #111

@mathfour @ColinTGraham If a brain goes in more than one direction, that's

investigating. (official definition) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:34:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689613610500096 - #112

@ColinTGraham Do you explicitly teach investigative approaches or what

w is expected in
an investigation or just do 'freeform' at first? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:35:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689843504492545 - #113

@mathfour @ColinTGraham The end result doesn't have anything to do with whether or
not you investigated along the way. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:35:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58689854191583232 - #114

@padgets #mathchat we teach each step then the semester exam is to write perfom and
conclude a lab
Fri Apr 15 00:36:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690141887266816 - #115

@ColinTGraham @mathfour We're not talking dictionary definitions here, Bon.

Investigations in maths lessons are usually an open-ended
open problem. #mathchat
#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
Fri Apr 15 00:37:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690370191634432 - #116

@midhamohit #mathchat @mathfour @padgets MUST watch this video of Cambrdige

Middle School using #math games http://youtu.be/-goW9ssFum4
goW9ssFum4 @Mangahigh
Fri Apr 15 00:37:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690390055858176 - #117

@mathfour @padgets soup, of course. duh. #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:37:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690423408959488 - #118

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat ok I am confused what did I miss ummmm soup ummm
investigations
Fri Apr 15 00:38:33 +0000 2011 - tweet
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@mathfour @ColinTGraham How can you have open ended problems in 5th grade?
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:38:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690654280237056 - #120

@ColinTGraham @padgets So your approach is more about 'training' in how to do an

experiment according to instructions? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:39:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690832353595392
5869083235359539 - #121

@mathfour @padgets I lost some tweets from earlier (TweetChat.com's not that
consistant) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:39:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58690925832044544 - #122

@mathfour @padgets You asked what else was in the bean soup but beans.#mathchat
beans.
Fri Apr 15 00:40:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691002390683648 - #123

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat I do not give them the instructions they write them
not a fan of cook book labs
Fri Apr 15 00:40:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691165138059264 - #124

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Check out the examples on the the link I gave earlier. It's open
in that Ss may not find the answer, but process is import #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:40:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691174701072384 - #125

@padgets @mathfour #mathchat ahhhh gotcha thought maybe some veggies or noodles
noo
Fri Apr 15 00:41:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691283220299777 - #126

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @mathfour @ColinTGraham But those still have questions posed (just looked at pocket
money) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:42:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691560690294784 - #127

@ColinTGraham How much guidance do you give when conducting investigations? Do

your Ss need help in getting started/recording results? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:42:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691645020971008 - #128

@mathfour @ColinTGraham It's guided investigation,

investigation, which isn't really investigation. It's
just a series of questions. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:43:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691791888711680 - #129

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Yes, that is the point. The structure of the investigation
could simply be a question or it could extend farther. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:43:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691829167702016 - #130

@padgets #mathchat we practice each part then they put it all together in their first lab
about 4 weeks in to the semester
Fri Apr 15 00:43:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691877905510400 - #131

@mathfour @ColinTGraham If it's true investigations, then there shouldn't really be

questions, right? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:43:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691943202430976 - #132

@markbethune @ColinTGraham this is an important question if you are an IB

teacher#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:43:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58691972289929216 - #133

@mathfour @markbethune What's IB? #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:44:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692107321344000
58692 - #134

@markbethune Do you all teach in the IB program? MYP? #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:44:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692163105591296 - #135

@padgets #mathchat I am the challenged science teacher ;)

Fri Apr 15 00:44:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692234857562112 - #136

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham @mathfour There always have to be questions, otherwise there would
be no way of moving forward or determining the next step. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:45:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692274590187521 - #137

@markbethune @mathfour International Baccalaureate #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:45:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692281062002688 - #138

@padgets #mathchat I am HS specifically 9th grade

Fri Apr 15 00:45:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692412826075136 - #139

@mathfour @ColinTGraham But are they YOUR questions? Or do you pose the situation
in such a way to invoke curiosity and let THEM ask? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:46:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692545571598336 - #140

@ColinTGraham @markbethune It's not not just important in the IB, Mark. Teachers also
have to 'step back' when Ss are working on examined coursewk #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:46:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692560847241216 - #141

@mathfour @markbethune I've not heard of that. Got a link? #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:46:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692693760557056 - #143

@markbethune Investigations at at the ms level are intended to be openended where studs

select a strategy, generate data and describe patterns #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:46:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692695941578752 - #144

@markbethune @mathfour www.ibo.org #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:46:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692750266216448 - #145

@ColinTGraham @mathfour Well, that was what my question about guidance was
asking... how much do/should you get involved in the investigation? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:47:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692774517682176 - #146

@padgets #mathchat ummmm well I present the situation they come up with the variables
and the question to answer
Fri Apr 15 00:47:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692805857525761 - #147

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @mathfour @ColinTGraham OH! Gotcha. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:47:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692877366214656 - #148

@mathfour @padgets You use the V-word?

V ouch. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:47:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692985176596480 - #149

@markbethune @mathfour much of what you are trying to address here may be
answered quite nicely in some MYP math docs #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:47:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58692987940634624 - #150

@markbethune @mathfour even the criteria

criteria by which you assess these activities are
available and useful #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:48:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693076872474624 - #151

@padgets #mathchat ummm V-word

V bad?
Fri Apr 15 00:48:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693091074375680 - #152

@ColinTGraham For example, you could have a pattern set up to investigate perimeter
and area, then introduce fractal structures...
structu #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:48:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693108099063808 - #153

@padgets #mathchat umm whooaaa fractal?

Fri Apr 15 00:48:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693198901559296 - #154

@ColinTGraham Ah, "should be" ... RT @kassiaowedekind: Start w question, the

invitation to investigate should be part of classroom culture... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:49:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693416254586880 - #155

@markbethune @ColinTGraham
inTGraham I agree and did not intend to suggest that IB was the be
all and end all #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:49:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693460106022912 - #156

@mathfour @markbethune There are at least three in Houston. Cool! #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:50:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693538505949184 - #157

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham @padgets Fractal = fractional dimension... check out Mandelbrot or
Sierpinski Triangles! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:50:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693603316338689 - #158

@padgets @ColinTGraham #mathchat okie dokie!!!

Fri Apr 15 00:50:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693717489487873 - #159

@markbethune @ColinTGraham just think that much of what the IB produces can be
useful for any program #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:50:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693754961412096 - #160

actal - draw a triangle, then a triangle on each edge, then a

@mathfour @padgets Fractal
triangle on each edge and a triangle on each edge and a t #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:51:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693795000225792
58693795000225 - #161

@ColinTGraham @markbethune Was suggesting that you were! I like the cross-curricular
cross
approach of the IB, amongst other
er things... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:51:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693874494869504 - #162

@mathfour @padgets I avoid using words like that in lower level classes. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:51:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693932132999168 - #163

@LizDk Hi I'm Liz and I am semi here: doing parent conferences between tweets. (in
Kobe, Japan) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:51:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693934288867328 - #164

@mathfour @markbethune
kbethune MYP? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:51:52 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58693988730941440 - #165

@ColinTGraham @markbethune Wasn't suggesting that you were! I like the cross-
cross
curricular approach of the IB, amongst other things... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:52:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694072700899328 - #166

@markbethune @mathfour three schools? I am sure there are quite a few more. In fact
Houston has one very large IB school that I know of #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:52:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694127625306112 - #167

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham @LizDk Hi Liz! Thanks for dropping by... #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:52:39 +0000 2011 - tweet
eet id 58694188065243137 - #168

@LizDk re investigations, I think as kids get more used to them the questions go and you
just ask them to investigate an area #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:53:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694296357978112 - #170

@mathfour @LizDk Hey Liz! Will you make it to #HSMath, too? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:53:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694324711456768 - #171

@markbethune @LizDk Hi Liz, I am also at work in Jakarta, sending tweets while studs
writing a test #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:53:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694373830955008 - #172

@ColinTGraham OK we have about 10 minutes left, any more ideas or suggestions to

make in relation to investigations in mathematics lessons? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:53:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694463660376064 - #173

@mathfour @markbethune I was just on the first page of all the Texas listings.
listi The lower
bound is 3 (:D) #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:53:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694467414261760 - #174

@markbethune @mathfour the is the middle years version of the IB program. From a
math pov, inquiry based, contextual framework. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:54:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694649249927168 - #175

@LizDk MYP emphasises investigationg patterns and one skill

skill assessed is using a
systematic approach so needs to be kids devising it #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:54:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694680895954944 - #176

@markbethune @mathfour emphasizing not only K&U but pattern recognition,

communication and linking the mathematics to the real world #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:55:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694834210344960 - #177

@ColinTGraham @LizDk The process of how patterns can be investigated needs to be

explored earlier though, doesn't it? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:55:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694915831500800 - #178

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @LizDk @mathfour 11 am my time. Right? Yes I can come on an off and on basis. Topic?
#mathchat #HSmath
Fri Apr 15 00:55:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58694960161095680 - #179

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @LizDk I watch Daughter (19mo) observe patterns even

now. Weird. And cool. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:56:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695075609329664 - #180

@mathfour @LizDk Sweet! Topic is Math Games (of any sort). #HSMath #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:56:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695166055284736 - #181

@mathfour @LizDk Oh, and yes, 11am your time (in 1 hour from now).
#HSMath#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:56:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695272854863872 - #182

@markbethune @LizDk I agree with this. Start early in gr6 for example. Build the culture
of inquiry and in a couple of years, it is natural #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:57:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695327166889984
586953271668899 - #183

@ColinTGraham I think the key point is that young children are 'programmed' to notice
pattern, but not to communicate what they see, very often #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:57:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695339682705408 - #184

@mathfour @ColinTGraham @LizDk The investigations of her at that age is mind-

mind
boggling. And I just let it happen. Fascinating. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:57:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695406187581440 - #185

@mathfour @markbethune @LizDk Grade 6? Really? Start at age 2. #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 00:57:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695490459545600 - #186

@LizDk @ColinTGraham oh yes, totally. But my current g10 kids were elem 5 yr ago -
investigation less common. So start it in middle yrs #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:58:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695543949508608 - #187

@mathfour @ColinTGraham We used the Baby Plus in utero "educational system" which
whic
works on patterns. Gimmick? Maybe. Maybe not. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:58:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695657627729920 - #188

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @ColinTGraham @mathfour @LizDk There needs to come a time when the
communication of findings becomes more 'formalized' to help in future work. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:58:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695720122851328 - #189

@markbethune @LizDk this is true but this is where kids don't have the maturity (at ms
level) and need some guidance #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:58:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695728532434944 - #190

@LizDk @ColinTGraham good point re young kids. Investigation and communication go

together in later yrs though. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 00:59:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58695882685685760 - #191

@ColinTGraham I think 8/9yo children are perfectly capable of articulating what they have
seen in a mathematical way. They're rarely asked tho'! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:00:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696140668940288
8696140668940288 - #192

@mathfour Wow, look at the time. #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 01:00:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696156254969857 - #193

@kassiaowedekind @mathfour Just went to #nctm session on 'math' understood and inv
by babies. The studies r fascinating #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:00:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id
d 58696160768040960 - #194

@markbethune @mathfour I was thinking of the more formal approach #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 01:00:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696176152739840 - #195

@LizDk @ColinTGraham
Graham @mathfour again MYP is good for that: of 4 assessmt criteria,
two are investigating patterns and communication. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:00:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696208042045441
586962080420454 - #196

@ColinTGraham OK, that's a wrap for today! Thanks for your contributions everyone...
#mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:01:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696351952797696 - #197

@padgets #mathchat time to hit the hay full day of pd tomorrow with NO TWITTER
AHHHHHHHH!!! LOL take care stay safe and tweet you all next time!
Fri Apr 15 01:01:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696424690429952
586964246904 - #198

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?
 @LizDk @ColinTGraham re 8/9 yr olds. Even younger can too. Use video. Question: what
did you notice? Why do you think
ink this happened? #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:01:43 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696467522662401 - #199

@ColinTGraham We'll have two more weeks on the "How do I...." series before returning
to the 'normal' format! #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:02:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696606958096384 - #200

@mathfour Want to talk Math Games? Join us for #HSMath #homeschool #math in an
hour. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:02:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696612087738368 - #201

@ColinTGraham Remember to follow @mathchat to keep updated on the next

topic/voting/archives etc. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:02:55 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696772310151168 - #202

@mathfour @ColinTGraham Thanks so much for hosting! #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 01:03:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696791884955648 - #203

@ColinTGraham See you all next time! #mathchat

Fri Apr 15 01:03:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58696832053821441 - #204

@ColinTGraham @LizDk Yes, agreed re: younger.

younger. Again, the main point is that few
teachers do encourage this type of investigation/exploration. #mathchat
Fri Apr 15 01:07:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 58697866650193920 - #205

#Mathchat -- Friday, 15th April 2011 How do I introduce, or increase the amount of, investigative work?