@ColinTGraham Hello everyone, and welcome to today's #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:01:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78974953768239104 - #1

@ColinTGraham If it's your first time, don't try to keep up with everyone, just interact with one or two people. Don't forget the hashtag! --> #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:02:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78 78975169498054656 - #2

@ColinTGraham If you have to do a long tweet, put #mathchat somewhere near the start, so it gets picked up.
Fri Jun 10 00:02:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975305439657984 - #3

@NatBanting @ColinTGraham I definitely get the feeling that standard school PD relates very little to math; maybe a hint? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:03:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975493453512705 - #4

@ColinTGraham Today's topic is: "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:03:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975533504933888 - #5

@stefras What do you mean by deeper thinking? #mathchat. All subjects encourage deep . thinking in one manner or another.
Fri Jun 10 00:03:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975563821350913 - #6

@delta_dc RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:04:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975737201303552 - #7

@ColinTGraham @stefras I know what I mean by "deeper thinking"... original question was not mine though! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:05:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975948829102080 - #8

@NatBanting @stefras people view math's deep thinking as linear. They see a future answer as a necessity. diff b/w school and real math? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:05:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78975959163875329 - #9

@stefras @NatBanting Standard school PD extends to University ed courses as well. I encountered this in a curriculum course. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:05:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789760010565836 - #10 78976001056583680

@stefras @NatBanting I believe that real math does not ALWAYS have an answer nor a linear route/schema to one. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:06:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976282381127680 - #11

@ColinTGraham I don't disagree that all subjects require more than surface level thought... maybe the question is does mathematics require it? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:06:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976391126855680 - #12

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@ekendriss RT @ColinTGraham: Today's topic is: "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:07:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976505060933632 - #13

@NatBanting @stefras Me too; answers lead to more questions. But school math ALWAYS does. every "deep thought" in my curriculum is measurable. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:07:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976583456653312 - #15

@NatBanting @stefras that misconception annoys me quite a bit #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:07:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976646417367040 - #16

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think it does. Without being able to answer "why", we cannot move beyond given questions and solutions. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:08:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976673286078464 - #17

@ColinTGraham Or should mathematics be as much about teaching different ways of thinking as it is about teaching 'number'? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:08:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976688322654208 - #18

@stefras Me too. RT @NatBanting: @stefras that misconception annoys me quite a bit #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:08:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78976861631291393 - #19

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think math should be ABOUT teaching different ways of thinking; numbers are a cover story. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:09:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977136014278656 - #20

@ColinTGraham Do we need to teach thinking skills to help more students get a handle on what mathematics is about? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:10:01 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977179391766528 - #21

@NatBanting ergh... have to leave #mathchat waaaaay too early. just getting started. I will catch the archive.
Fri Jun 10 00:10:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977188879269888 - #22

@ColinTGraham @NatBanting Come back on Monday if you can Nat! #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:10:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977317334036480 - #23

@stefras @ColinTGraham Yes. That is what math is about. re teaching thinking skills. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:10:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977348485124096 - #24

@park_star @NatBanting I don't think math is unique in any of it's "thinking skills" all subjects promote deep & critical thinking #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:10:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977403535368192 - #25

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@stefras @ColinTGraham See you later Nat. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:11:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977441112141824 - #26

@stefras @park_star I agree. To me teaching thinking skill is what education is all about. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:11:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977648671461376 - #27

@ColinTGraham @park_star The question here, though, is where those deeper thinking skills are developed, not just required... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:12:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977715411230720 - #28

@LizDk #mathchat Hi everyone I am Liz. Math is about thinking deeply, but ot other subject teachers would also argue the case for their discipline.
Fri Jun 10 00:13:08 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78977965546938369 - #29

@stefras Oops. TweetDeck moved on me. It does that quitte often. @NatBanting. RT @stefras: @ColinTGraham See you later Nat. #mathchat #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:13:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978010224668672 - #30

@ColinTGraham Not necessarily... eg art, drama RT @park_star: @stefras @colintgraham isn't that the premise of any learning? (ideally anyway?) #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:13:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978017170427904 - #31

@lauradafinch #mathchat Last wk one of my 5th gr's couldn't tell me AT ALL how to do 6000-2409, even tho we'd done it all year. All he has is rote memory 2409,
Fri Jun 10 00:13:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978043665850370 - #32 8978043665850370

@LizDk #mathchat I like it most when kids can identify connections between m math topics and also between subjects
Fri Jun 10 00:13:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978119494668288 - #33

@stefras @ColinTGraham I would art and drama also require deep thinking. Perhaps we need to narrow our definition to a type of deep thinkin #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:14:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978349053120512 - #34

@ColinTGraham Let's just clarify that we are not saying that mathematics is the only subject with deep thinking skills... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:14:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978380371984384 - #35

@LizDk #mathchat MYP criteria B (investigating patterns) & D(reflection in math) are great for getting kids to justify rules, connect ideas etc
Fri Jun 10 00:15:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978487926521856 - #36

@lauradafinch #mathchat I'd argue that if you memorize, you can only do one thing. But if you understand, you see relationships and patterns, etc
Fri Jun 10 00:15:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789785622 78978562228617216 - #38

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@ColinTGraham The point is that being able to think on deeper levels is more of a requirement in mathematics than may be the case in other subjs #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:15:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978616549064726 - #40

@stefras RT @lauradafinch: #mathchat I'd argue that if you memorize, you can only do one thing. If you understand, you see relationships and patterns
Fri Jun 10 00:16:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78978723839352832 - #41

@ColinTGraham @stefras Art, drama, music work as much on expression of emotion, 'deep thinking' may be considered too cerebral for some artists #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:17:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979003532316672 - #42 8979003532316672

@stefras @ColinTGraham If that is our definition, then I say NO deep thinking is not more of a requiement for math than for other subjects. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:17:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979013112111104 - #43

@LizDk @stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat yes I agree - we cannot claim to require deeper thinking than other subjects
Fri Jun 10 00:18:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979198676504576 - #44

@lauradafinch thx @stefras! i teach logic and reasoning as part of curriculum, in part so it transfers to all other subjects. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:18:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979202761768960 - #45

@stefras @ColinTGraham In the light that deep thinking is not special to math, what is our question now? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:19:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979459935518721 - #46

@ColinTGraham @lauradafinch Memorization is more about cognitive load, rather than thinking, which I see as a higher level process #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:19:07 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979469540458496 - #47

@LizDk @stefras @ColinTGraham #mathchat surely analysing a text in English requires depth of thought, also scientific analysis, plus more
Fri Jun 10 00:19:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979515648454656 - #48

@stefras @ColinTGraham Agreed, memorization is not deep thinking. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:19:30 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979565833289728 - #49

@LizDk @stefras @ColinTGraham How about "how do we foster deep thinking in our students?"? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:19:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979677682810881 - #50

@stefras @LizDk I think we already agreed that math is not the only subject that requires deep thinking. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:20:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979861493977089 - #51

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@stefras @LizDk So how does math use or encourage deep thinking? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:20:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979891185455104 - #52

@ColinTGraham @stefras The question still remains, as in the beginning: are the deeper thinking skills *developed* in mathematics? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:21:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78979942511149056 - #53

@stefras @ColinTGraham So it is a teaching question. I think deeper thinking is encouraged by Problem solving and rich tasks, but not drill #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:21:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980187311718400 - #54

@stefras @ColinTGraham SO the answer is yes and no depending on how one is teaching. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:22:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980305171660800 - #55

@LizDk #mathchat Deep thinking happens in math as long as the syllabus allows depth of thought rather than breadth of content.
Fri Jun 10 00:22:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980336096260096 - #56

@stefras @LizDk Ah. But connections can be made with breadth of content. I think we need to combine depth and breadth strategically. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:23:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980553608663040 - #57

@lauradafinch #mathchat @lizdk it also has to prevent children from memorizing and rely on their thinking and understanding to "get it right"
Fri Jun 10 00:23:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 7898067156087 78980671560876032 - #58

@LizDk #mathchat important to vary assessment tasks. Tests and quizzes only, can result in a lack of depth of thought. Investigations are good.
Fri Jun 10 00:24:22 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980789106249728 - #59

@ColinTGraham @LizDk Being able to analyse and reason deductively (justify) are much higher in terms of cognitive load. Basis of mathematics? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:24:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789 78980831984619520 - #60

@malynmawby Just think... a lot of the mathematicians of old were also philosophers, i.e. deep thinkers. there is a connection. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:24:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980893011738624 - #61

@stefras @lauradafinch So how DO we develop deep thinking? Stop memorization? #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:24:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78980907561783296 - #62

@LizDk @stefras #mathchat re breadth. Yes of course. All about balance. I ag agree that connections are a vital part of the thinking we want.
Fri Jun 10 00:25:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981007243624449 - #63

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@malynmawby @stefras @lauradafinch it is not either or? need both I think...working on a blog post on this, in fact. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:25:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981096842330112 - #64

@ColinTGraham @stefras That comes back to whether or not we see mathematics as being the place where analytic thinking *should* be developed... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:25:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981198696812544 - #65

@LizDk @ColinTGraham #mathchat yes justify is the big deal. If too busy with content, though, kids survive on algorithm math without justifying.
Fri Jun 10 00:26:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981310173032448 - #66

@stefras @malynmawby I agree. We need both. It is a continum and teachers "teach" differently in that continuum from concept to concept. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:26:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981363813974016 - #67

@malynmawby @LizDk @stefras making connections require transference - a higher order process that many struggle with - teachers can facilitate #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:26:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981366619963392 - #68

@lauradafinch #mathchat true understanding of concepts leads to fluency.

Fri Jun 10 00:26:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981401034244097 - #69

@malynmawby @stefras variety in pedagogy is good. in fact, essential, imho. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:27:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981581141843969 - #70

@stefras @lauradafinch So deep thinking leads to drill (lower) thinking? #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:27:39 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981617409994753 - #71

@ColinTGraham @lauradafinch You probably cannot analyse, though, unless you understand (according to Bloom, anyway) #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:27:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981691510751232 - #72

@malynmawby interesting #mathchat but have got to dock out now. will look ba again back later.
Fri Jun 10 00:28:32 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981840790233088 - #73

@republicofmath Oh dear! Missed #mathchat. Out to dinner with wife and father . father-in-law.
Fri Jun 10 00:28:50 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981914463186944 - #74

@stefras @ColinTGraham Mathematics is A place where deep thinking can be developed. But in math, I think deep thinking is the holy grail. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:28:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78981954149691392 - #75

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@LizDk @ColinTGraham @stefras #mathchat yes analysing v important in math. But again, not unique. English has lots of analysis, also sci and ss.
Fri Jun 10 00:29:20 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982039273095168 - #76

@stefras @malynmawby See you later. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:29:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982084647063552 - #77

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Tsk, tsk! You'll have to come back on Monday then, Gary! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:29:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982095292219392 - #78

@stefras @republicofmath Just starting. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:29:45 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982143451201536 - #79

@ColinTGraham @stefras Not so much the holy grail, more the essence of what the subject is about? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:30:47 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982405326778368 - #80

@republicofmath Not so sure deep thinking is it - rather persistence and sustained thought. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:30:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982421613264896 - #81

@stefras Okay, I think we have determined that deep thinking/Blooms is essential to all subjects. We are asked how it is developed in math. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:31:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982512977784833 - #82

@stefras @ColinTGraham Ran out of words. Holy grail first think that cam to mind. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:31:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982703113977856 - #83

@republicofmath My punishment for two glasses of shiraz @ColinTGraham Tsk, tsk! You'll have to come back on Monday then #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:32:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982825428254720 - #84

@LizDk @stefras #mathchat Math uses deep thinking in justifying, communicati communicating connections eg diff fns, solving applications eg rates of change
Fri Jun 10 00:32:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982841874132992 - #85

@stefras @republicofmath Yes. Kids and adults do miss the persistence and sustained thought in math. Always expect it to be quick. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:32:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789828791 78982879106969600 - #86

@ColinTGraham @stefras And also whether mathematics is unique in that need to develop the deeper thinking as a core part of the subject. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:32:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78982954449252353 - #87

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@republicofmath Thing is, to succeed in #math, find some provable fact, no matter how , small. Build from there. Sustained thought is key #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:34:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983226340802561 - #88

@ColinTGraham "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?" No, but change develops to requires? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:34:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983253360508928 - #89

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think we have detemined it is not unique, haven't we?#mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:34:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983256527212545 - #90

@stefras @ColinTGraham Sorry. What do you mean by "change develops to requires?" #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:35:18 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983542155128832 - #91

@ColinTGraham "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it requires?" to spell it out... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:36:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983717204410368 - #92

@republicofmath Mathematics is like aikido, Practice basics. String together a kaleidoscope of techniques. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:36:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983733755133952 - #93

@jmcyap RT @republicofmath: Mathematics is like aikido, Practice basics. String together a kaleidoscope of techniques. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:36:28 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78983837421547520 - #94

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath The same can be said of anything, there comes a point where technique needs to be replaced by something else tho' #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:37:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984007475404800 - #95

@stefras @republicofmath In Western Canada, we are getting out of practicing skills and empasizing problem solving, from which need for ... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:37:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984034318942209 - #96

@ngpestelos RT @republicofmath: Mathematics is like aikido, Practice basics. String together a kaleidoscope of techniques. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:37:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984110391042048 - #97

@stefras @republicofmath ... skills developes. There is a drawback . It has been determined that you can't learn grammar by writing essays. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:38:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984229832241153 - #98

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Musicians, artists, actors, etc. are expected to show emotional involvement... Mathematicians? clarity of thought? #mathchat
Friday, 10th June 2011 Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

Fri Jun 10 00:38:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984261683785728 - #99

@Benwturner Can we interpret this question differently. Are there some deeper thinking skills that Maths is best predisposed to develop? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:38:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789844 78984449764757504 - #100

@ColinTGraham Paul McCartney would be totally crap at analysing a symphony by Beethoven... doesn't stop him being a good songwriter though #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:39:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984514260582400 - #101

@stefras @ColinTGraham Interesting analogy. I just participated in a webinar with @davidwees and @rvdemerchant about Mathematician's ... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:39:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 789 78984633810825216 - #102

@dmarain Perhaps one can apply problem solving strategies to all content areas, but problem-solving math IS problem-solving! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:39:40 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984641893244928 - #103

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Didn't mean focus on technique. Au contraire, focus is on reflection and development. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:40:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984741939986432 - #104

@stefras @ColinTGraham ... Lament that touches on math being an art like painint and music. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:40:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984750366339072 - #105

@stefras RT @dmarain: Perhaps one can apply problem solving strategies to all content problem-solving areas, but math IS problem-solving! #mathchat solving!
Fri Jun 10 00:40:35 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984870025641985 - #106

@LizDk @ColinTGraham #mathchat Some create music, some analyse. I really thi you think cannot say that music, arts etc do not involve analysis.
Fri Jun 10 00:41:02 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984985163464704 - #107

@ColinTGraham @Benwturner Or that maths has to develop... #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:41:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78984989290676224 - #108

@souzatharsis RT @republicofmath: Mathematics is like aikido, Practice basics. String together a kaleidoscope of techniques. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:41:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985152558145536 - #109

@republicofmath @ColinTGraham Thrill of discovery in #math is highly emotional. Powerful, Can turn people into lotus lotus-eaters (= mathematicians) #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:42:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985271802208257 - #110

@ColinTGraham @LizDk Never said they didn't... BUT is analysis a key component of being a good artist vs being a good mathematician? #mathchat
Friday, 10th June 2011 Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

Fri Jun 10 00:42:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985330853814272 - #111

@stefras @Benwturner I think math does develop unique deep thinking skills. I have to think of an example though. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:42:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985403377524736 - #112

@ColinTGraham I am not saying that mathematicians are unemotional. I am saying, though, that expression of emotion is not a requirement of maths #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:43:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985621753962496 - #113

@stefras @ColinTGraham I guess it depends on how you envision math. You can narrow it to analysis or broaden it to pattern play. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:43:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985714066 78985714066407424 - #114

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham absolutely, I think Maths is most valuable to most students (beyond numeracy) for the deeper skills it develops #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:43:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985726083080193 - #115

@LizDk @ColinTGraham in school, yes. Go to art, music class - they analyse art, music. As a creator - that would depend. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:44:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985826574417920 - #116

@republicofmath Solving #math problem like being in dark room, banging into furniture. Some light appears, little by little. Then illumination #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:44:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78985902206091264 - #117

@LizDk @ColinTGraham re emotion. Interesting point. I had never thought of that. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:45:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986000390553600 - #118

@dmarain Basic problems develop basic skills. Reasoning/conceptual understanding develop as students try more complex non routine problems #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:45:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986041603788800 - #119

@ColinTGraham Deductive reasoning, logic, Socratic dialogue, proof, etc. are basic to the construction of mathematical worlds, as a beginning... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:45:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986088458371073 - #120

@stefras @LizDk That is how I envision math -- you can analyze and you can create. True for all subjects. All also problem solving. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:45:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986089485967361 - #121

@LizDk @republicofmath #mathchat. Persistence therefore a key component of good . mathematics.

Fri Jun 10 00:45:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986205567520768 - #122

@LizDk @stefras #mathchat "Like". I wish there was a "like" button.

Friday, 10th June 2011 Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

Fri Jun 10 00:46:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986345191706624 - #123

@stefras @LizDk Yes. But how often do we teach persistence or provide opportunity to develop it? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:46:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986392163725312 - #124

@stefras @LizDk There is a favorite option/button. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:47:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986585391120384 - #125

@dmarain @republicofmath Beautiful analogy! #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:47:29 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986609881657344 - #126

@republicofmath Physics is problem solving, car repair is problem solving, architecture is problem solving, .... #math is ... ? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:47:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986724633608193 - #127

@LizDk @stefras #mathchat Not enough. Hence my lament re breadth of content earlier in discussion. High school all too much of a rush.
Fri Jun 10 00:48:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986756497752064 - #128

@stefras @dmarain @republicofmath It is beautiful, but not unique to math. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:48:12 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986786872889344 - #129

@ColinTGraham @stefras @LizDk Is this not at the root of the problem many people have with mathematics? They don't learn to go deep enough... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:48:34 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986881831927808 - #130

@republicofmath @dmarain Stole it from Andrew Wiles #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:48:41 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986908155392000 - #131

@stefras @LizDk I agree. We rush over content at the expense of exploration (deep thinking). #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:48:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78986981673148416 - #132

@LizDk @republicofmath Math is .. making sense of the world we live in through problem solving, analysing, connecting, ... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:49:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987010169249792 - #133

@stefras @ColinTGraham Yes. That is what I thought the original question was about. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:49:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987117774110720 - #134

@LizDk @ColinTGraham @stefras #mathchat re root of problem: Totally!

Fri Jun 10 00:49:51 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987205342793728 - #135

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@ColinTGraham "Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?" or should be developing but isn't... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:50:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987280387289091 - #136

@republicofmath Yes, always dig deeper @ColinTGraham Is this not at root of problem many people have with math? Don't learn to go deep enough #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:50:33 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987380006199296 - #137

@stefras @ColinTGraham The question is clear; its meaning is not. I think we need to go deep, & broad, to teach thinking rather than doing. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:52:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987756650508288 - #138

@ColinTGraham I would argue that any analytic act in any subject requires a mathematical way of thinking... whether you're teaching maths or not #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:52:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987792486629377 - #139

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham YES should be! but you have to have resilient stdnts who persist and can manage frustration to develop those skills. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:52:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987945788452865 - #140

@republicofmath Father- law keen to watch Miami Heat play Mavericks (NBA) Must -in-law help him do that & drink whisk(e)y Bye till next time. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:52:49 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78987950507036672 - #141

@stefras @ColinTGraham SO part of your definition of math is analytical thinking? #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:53:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988010754027521 - #142

@LizDk @stefras #mathchat "..teach thinking rather than doing" So true. You nailed the issue right there.
Fri Jun 10 00:53:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988034468626432 - #143

@stefras @republicofmath Bye. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:53:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988091746041856 - #144

@ColinTGraham @stefras Not as such, but recognizing patterns and comparing them is mathematics... analytic thinking may be best developed there. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:54:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988294746148864 - #145

@ColinTGraham @republicofmath Bye Gary. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:54:31 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988377956950016 - #147

@dmarain As long as most 2ndary teachers believe that curriculum and instr = content coverage the culture we're describing will not happen #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:54:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988496215347200 - #148

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@stefras @ColinTGraham DO you think the act of analyzing, regardless of subject and topic, is mathematical? I am unsure of that. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:55:13 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988555896111106 - #149

@LizDk #mathchat. I am off now too. Nice chat - Initially I thought we were going nowhere . but it turned out to be very thought provoking. Thx.
Fri Jun 10 00:55:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988569737302016 - #150

@ColinTGraham @Benwturner Or we have to structure methodology towards helping students become more resilient and persistent in their approaches. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:55:27 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988612137529345 - #151

@stefras @LizDk Bye. See you MOnday? #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:55:46 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988694635290624 - #152

@ColinTGraham @LizDk Bye Liz, thanks for joining us! #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:56:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988750646030336 - #153

@LizDk @dmarain #mathchat re content coverage. I agree totally - that is the crux of the problem.
Fri Jun 10 00:56:05 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988774062825472 - #154

@stefras @ColinTGraham Yes, we have to structure how we teach to emphasize deep thinking. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:56:25 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988854937395200 - #155

@LizDk @ColinTGraham Thanks. :) #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 00:56:37 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988906829320192 - #156

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham Some examples of maths thinking can be found elsewhere. Maths is the best vehicle to dvlp these as it IS this thnkng #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:56:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78988987653558273 - #157

@LizDk @stefras re Monday. Unlikely - it is middle of night in Japan when you do the Monday one. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:57:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989046709370880 - #158

@ColinTGraham @stefras If you get meta cognitive and think about what you are doing meta-cognitive when you analyse something... it's about comparison, at 1st #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:57:24 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989103697367040 - #159

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham of course these are learnable qualities and should be valued and recognised alongside content skills... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:58:04 +0000 2011 - tweet id 7898927287882 78989272878821376 - #160

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@ColinTGraham @stefras Noticing whether something is the same or different and then, maybe, deciding why differences are there... mathematics #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:58:44 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989439208132608 - #161

@ekendriss #mathchat Don't think mathematics unique. We have a Spanish teacher teacher-uses every opportunity 2 make students think deeply. Admire her.
Fri Jun 10 00:58:53 +0000 2011 - tweet id 7898947 78989477468573696 - #162

@stefras @ColinTGraham I agree with that definition of mathematics. It is also the definition of science. How does that fit into posing? #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 00:59:38 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989664345796608 - #163

@ColinTGraham @ekendriss Again, the claim is that these skills are *developed* in mathematics... if it is done properly. Use is universal... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:00:17 +0000 2011 - tweet id 7898 78989827583913984 - #164

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think before one can pose a problem must see a pattern and gaps within it. This opens doors for questions. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:00:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989991937716225 - #165

@ekendriss #mathchat had fab discussion w/Sp teacher and Hu Geography/Gov't & Politics teacher one day about INFERENCE. We could form a panel,3 of us!
Fri Jun 10 01:00:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78989990947856385 - #166 8989990947856385

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham it is becoming increasingly more apparent that these traits including slf dscipline are the accelerators of learning #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:01:03 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990022275121152 - #167

@ColinTGraham @stefras Science is probably an outgrowth of the Socratic method... as I see it, anyway, so fundamentally mathematical! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:01:36 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990160095 78990160095748096 - #168

@ekendriss #mathchat one of the hardest concepts for my students is similar to one in photography, perspective. only we are looking at data.
Fri Jun 10 01:01:58 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990251548344320 - #169

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think science is a branch of math. Math uses more schema. Science generally uses hypothesis schema / induction. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:02:54 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990485993164800 - #170

@ColinTGraham @ekendriss The whole idea of a "grammar of visualisation" is also a fairly new concept, how/why does composition work in art... #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:03:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990556558147584 - #171

@stefras RT @ekendriss: #mathchat one of the hardest concepts for my students is similar to one in photography, perspective. We are looking at data.
Friday, 10th June 2011 Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

Fri Jun 10 01:03:19 +0000 2011 - tweet id 7899059228521267 - #172 78990592285212672

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham and I agree, the way we guide students through ideas and concepts should be using approaches that develop them.. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:03:21 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990602548674560 - #173

@stefras @Benwturner SO model deep thinking and problem solving? #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 01:04:06 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78990788306010112 - #174

@ColinTGraham OK, we are out of time, just when we're getting going -- after a shaky start! Thanks for your contributions everyone. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:04:57 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991005692608512 - #175

@stefras @ColinTGraham "grammar of visualization" is pattern and pattern gap recognition. So there is a link between math, science and art. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:05:14 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991073858420737 - #176

@stefras @ColinTGraham This was a good chat. I kept up and contributed in a timely fashion. Yeah! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:05:59 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991261696147457 - #177

@ColinTGraham @stefras Yep, totally agree! That's the main focus of my presentation for #RSCON3 in July! ;-) #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:06:09 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991304608067584 - #178

@rowiematti RT @republicofmath: Mathematics is like aikido, Practice basics. String together a kaleidoscope of techniques. #mathchat echniques.
Fri Jun 10 01:06:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991330914742272 - #179

@Benwturner @ColinTGraham Class arriving got to go #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 01:06:23 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991365912010752 - #180

@stefras @ColinTGraham I agree it was too short. It always seems so ... : #mathchat :-(
Fri Jun 10 01:06:26 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991375726686208 - #181

@k8nowak @dmarain So long as these punishing state (next: common core) exams cover too much content, we don't have much of a choice. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:06:48 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991470966751232 - #182

@stefras @Benwturner Bye. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 01:06:56 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991502734393344 - #183

@ColinTGraham @Benwturner Bye Ben, glad you could join us! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:07:16 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991587333517312 - #184

@ColinTGraham @stefras Time flies when you're having fun, Shawn! #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:08:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78991819165274112 - #185

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?

@stefras @ColinTGraham I think math develops deeper thinking skills mathematically. Other subjects do the same thing their way. #mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:09:00 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78992023557902336 - #186

@stefras ;-) RT @ColinTGraham: @stefras Time flies when you're having fun, ) Shawn!#mathchat
Fri Jun 10 01:09:11 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78992069145792512 - #187

@stefras @ColinTGraham Have a good day. See you Monday. #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 01:10:15 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78992337870655488 - #188

@ColinTGraham @stefras You too! #mathchat

Fri Jun 10 01:10:42 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78992450093449216 - #189

@stefras Just finished a great #mathchat. Getting down to what math really is and asking . if we teach deep thinking. Continues on Monday!
Fri Jun 10 01:15:10 +0000 2011 - tweet id 78993572728274945 - #190

Friday, 10th June 2011

Is Mathematics unique in the wider curriculum for the deeper thinking skills it develops?