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Nissan 300zx VH45DE V8 Conversion Process (28 Nov 2009)
Nissan 300zx VH45DE V8 Conversion Process (28 Nov 2009)
Written by: Steven Lipke Implemented by: Mark Chapman (MRC Dyno Services & Performance, Castle Hill) Document Input from: Chris Paterson (Chrispy)
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The type of cross-member used is the major decision-point for this V8 conversion as the engine, gearbox, drive shaft, and differential all need to be lined-up for the best balance and to eliminate vibrations. Hence the decision on what type of cross-member you are going to use needs to be made very early. Your choices are to use a modified and lowered Custom cross-member (with OEM engine mounts) or to use the OEM cross-member (with custom engine mounts).
1. DECISION POINT: the type of cross-member to be used is based on your preferences for the following:
OEM cross-member is a lot simpler solution to implement. OEM cross-member will enable the suspension geometry and the steering to remain
standard. OEM cross-member with a manual gearbox will potentially enable the OEM driveshaft
and OEM gearbox mounts to remain standard without needing to modify the shifter linkage.
OEM cross-member will mean that custom engine mounts need to be fabricated.
NOTE: Engine mounts are more likely to need replacing during the cars life than the cross-member.
OEM cross-member will mean that the plenum sticks through the bonnet by an inch or
two, and hence the bonnet will need to be modified accordingly which in itself could potentially cause some engineering certification issues if not executed correctly. See [Figure 41] at the end of the document.
OEM cross-member will mean that the engine sits further forward in the car than is
possible with the Custom cross-member solution. This is due to clearance for the brake master cylinder and clutch master. See [Figure 42] at the end of the document.
OEM cross-member will mean that the resultant sumps capacity cannot equal that of
the original sump fitted to the engine.
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far back into the chassis as possible to give better weight distribution and balance.
2. DECISION POINT: choice the type of Nissan / Infiniti V8 engine, i.e. VH45DE (4.5 litre) or VH41DE (4.1 litre). The VH41 engine could potentially have problems in your state with obtaining engineering (or modification plates) because the VH41 engine was never emission complied for use in Australia. The VH45 engine on the other hand was used locally in the Q45 model car. The VH41 engine is potentially a better option for the 300zx conversion because of where the auxiliaries are located. With the VH45 engine there is a fair amount of rerouting of lines for the power-steering and air-conditioning. NOTE: The VH45 engine internals can be fitted into the VH41 engine, so that you can have the benefits of the larger capacity along with the VH41s duplex timing chains, and better accessory placements. In Australia depending on which state you are in and which engine importer you use, the VH45 engine maybe easier to source.
3. DECISION POINT: choice the type of gearbox to be used, i.e. manual or automatic.
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21. (OEM Cross-Member) fabricate the custom engine mounts and attach to the cross-member. 22. Determine the dimensions of the engine sump to work around the final positions of the engine and the cross-member. 23. Get the custom sump professionally fabricated. See [Figure 10]. NOTE: I would advise against doing a Frankenstein cut-n-shunt of the top (i.e. engine side) of the VH45 sump with the bottom (i.e. cross-member side) of the VG30 sump. Remembering that; the volumetric capacity of the resultant sump should equal or exceed that of the OEM VH45 sump. NOTE: with the (OEM Cross-Member) the finished sumps capacity will probably not equal that of the OEM sump. The capacity of the resultant sump maybe only around 3.5 litres. 24. Modify the standard oil pickup to suit the rear sump. 25. Install the custom sump to the engine. See [Figure 11]. 26. Attach the cross-member to the car and attach the engine to the cross-member via the engine mounts. 27. Attach the gearbox to the engine. 28. (Custom Cross-Member) Determine where the gearbox-mount needs to be positioned and fabricate the corresponding gearbox mount. See [Figure 12]. NOTE: for an (OEM Cross-Member) with a manual gearbox you probably dont need to modify the gearbox mount, or fabricate another driveshaft, or modify the shifter linkage. 29. (Custom Cross-Member) Determine the length of the drive-shaft to be used. 30. (Custom Cross-Member) Get the custom one-piece drive-shaft professionally fabricated and then install it. See [Figure 13].
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Figure 6: V8 engine mounted as low and as far back in the chassis as possible.
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Figure 11: Custom V8 sump installed on the engine and mounted in the car.
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Replace the O2 sensors. NOTE: If you can do the O2 sensors when the engine is out of the car the better, as this is a pain once in the car.
Replace the spark plugs. NOTE: It is your personal preference as to whether to use Platinum or Iridium ones (my car uses platinum).
Replace the 1/2 & 5/8 inch breather hoses & hose clamps. NOTE: Replace all of the under plenum breather hoses because by now they will have all been transformed into "Bakelite" and can crack and brake easily.
Replace the oil filter 15208-53J0A NOTE: this is the same as used for the S13 Silva with the SR20 engine.
35. Undertake a complete service, degrease / clean-up, spruce-up / bling the engine that will finally reside in the car. NOTE: It is easier to disassemble, fix, and re-assemble the engine outside of the car.
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Figure 14: Mechanical thermo fan sits too high for the radiators OEM fan shroud.
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Figure 15: Modified exhaust header to give more clearance to the steering-shaft.
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Figure 16: OEM headers do just fit between the chassis rails - driver's side.
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Figure 17: OEM headers do just fit between the chassis rails - passenger side.
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Figure 19: Custom 2.5 inch exhaust system cats and middle bracing
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[1->2] 15 15 15 24 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 46 48 50 51 51
[2->1] 9 9 9 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 30 47
[3->2]
[3->4] 50 50 53 68 85 105 112 120 126 135 142 150 157 165
[4->5] 140 70
22 22 22 22 22 24 27 33
37 42 51 61 70 83 95 109
175
175
70 73 91 110 117 124 131 140 147 155 162 171 180 180
NOTE: Be sure that the table of gears do no overlap, that is the shift lines should not cross.
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0
0 50 100 Speed km/h 150 200
Figure 23: The SAW Shift Chart for a Q45 gearbox with consideration for a Z32 NA differential.
"[S 1->2] 15 15 15 24 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 46 48 50 51 51" "[S 2->1] 9 9 9 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 30 47" "[S 2->3] 32 32 34 48 61 73 79 83 87 91 96 100 104 109 113 113" "[S 3->2] 22 22 22 22 22 24 27 33 37 42 51 61 70 83 95 109" "[S 3->4] 50 50 53 68 85 105 112 120 126 135 142 150 157 165 175 175" "[S 4->3] 35 35 35 35 35 37 47 63 80 95 112 121 128 138 148 171" "[S 4->L] 140 70 70 73 91 110 117 124 131 140 147 155 162 171 180 180" "[S L->4] 120 60 60 60 69 83 91 96 99 104 112 121 128 138 148 171" "[C 1->2] 15 15 15 24 32 34 36 38 40 42 44 46 48 50 51 51" "[C 2->1] 9 9 9 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 12 30 47" "[C 2->3] 32 32 34 48 61 73 79 83 87 91 96 100 104 109 113 113" "[C 3->2] 22 22 22 22 22 24 27 33 37 42 51 61 70 83 95 109" "[C 3->4] 50 50 53 68 85 105 112 120 126 135 142 150 157 165 175 175" "[C 4->3] 35 35 35 35 35 37 47 63 80 95 112 121 128 138 148 171" "[C 4->L] 140 70 70 73 91 110 117 124 131 140 147 155 162 171 180 180" "[C L->4] 120 60 60 60 69 83 91 96 99 104 112 121 128 138 148 171" "[END VH45_Z32NA]"
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Speed km/h
Down Shifts
180 160 140 Speed km/h 120 100 80 60 40 20 0 6 12 19 25 31 37 44 50 56 62 69 75 81 87 100
Figure 25: The SAW Down Shift chart.
NOTE: For more information about the SAW shift maps compared to the Nissan factory shift maps please go to the end of this document.
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So much for the Nissan quoted 206 kw (at the flywheel) for the VH45DE, with a manual gearbox you should be capable of making this at the rear wheels.
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Figure 26: Dyno graph for an automatic VH45DE-NA V8 using a NISTUNE ECU versus an OEM ECU.
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Figure 27: Dyno graph for an automatic VH45DE-NA V8 compared to a manual VG30DE-TT V6.
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Figure 28: Dyno graph for an automatic VH45DE-NA V8 compared to a manual VG30DE-TT V6.
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Figure 29: Steering-shaft extension and OEM exhaust header modification to clear the steering-shaft.
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Figure 34: SW20 electric power steering pump mounted in the nose on the driver's side.
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Figure 38: Upgrade the front brakes to Z32-TT caliper and 325mm vented slotted disc rotors
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Figure 40: With a lowered cross-member the plenum should fit below the OEM bonnet line.
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Figure 41: OEM cross-member results in the engine pocking through the bonnet.
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Figure 42: OEM cross-member; the .clutch master preventing the engine going back further.
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NOTE: With the Shift-At-Will controller be sure that there is no crossover of shift lines (e.g. 4>5 with 3>4) as this is BAD for the SAW controller and especially for the gearbox it is controlling!!! Hence via trial-n-error I found that for a VH45 engine with a Q45 gearbox and a Z32 NA differential the best shift map to use was a merging of the shift maps for the Z32 TT and NA. This resulted in
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Figure 45: Comparison of Q45 factory map with resultant "Shift-At-Will" map.
NOTE: There is a significant speed (km/h) difference between the two sets of maps. This is due to the different diff-ratios and the factory map resulting in full throttle 1st to 2nd gear changes bouncing against the engines 7000 rpm rev-limiter.
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