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Tin Monster Tin Monster rears its ugly head. by glondor » January 27th, 2013, 2:45 pm Hey all. Looking for some advise. Processing 15 pounds of pins. Nice looking material. The issue.... They have reduced to a massive amount of metastanic acid/ gold foil goodness. I cleaned out as much of the foils as I could using a screening method. >>>>>

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do you know how much hcl for 5 pounds of this goo? Sodium Metabisulfite by Geo » January 27th.. i incinerate and boil the solids in hcl..about:blank I will have the mass dried in a few hours... right now most of the weight is liquid. and will put the heat to it then.. 2 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . 2013. (incinerate) My question. the copper will oxidize and be removed and the tin will dissolve too. 3:06 pm Hey Geo. it will leave some off white colored powder that is non-soluble in hcl and gold foils.. 2013. Sodium Metabisulfite by Geo » January 27th.. 2013. 10:57 pm After drying. Cheers and thanks for your help Mike. Yes that is the plan. Does any one have a better/faster way? There is at least 4 pounds in the dish.. incineration and crushing. incinerating will reduce the weight to a few ounces though. 2013. I wonder. Thanks. 3:11 pm unsure. "knowledge is power" by glondor » January 27th. "knowledge is power" by glondor » January 27th. i would think between 500 to 1000 ml's. 2:59 pm when that happens to me.

One different method I may have tried to deal with this large batch of salts. 2013. add them into a distilling rig. 2013. Sodium Metabisulfite by Lino1406 » January 28th.about:blank Next HCL boil. (after a wash) Sodium Metabisulfite by vegaswinner » January 28th. add a dilute sulfuric acid (about 50% H2SO4). 12:07 pm I think there is mismatch here between tin which can dissolve in HCl and tin dioxide which cannot by glondor » January 28th. I may choose another option. 1:59 pm Have you tried sulphuric? According to Hoke (P70/71) the tin paste will dissolve in dilute or concentrated sulphuric. in which the tin sulfate and copper sulfate could be dissolved away from the gold foils with boiling hot water. this would leave a copper and tin sulfates with gold foils. capture the condensed nitric acid which formed. 3 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . 2013. would be to take the blue copper and tin salts with gold foils. After a long hard boil in HCL there is still a lot of crumble left. the hcl wash is positive for gold. If I had a large amount of these salts. 2013. And as usual. Putting the crumble in A/R now. distilling off nitric acid. 2:40 pm Incineration is a very good method to use. by butcher » January 28th. 1:45 pm Can you tell us more Lino.

. this small amount of copper or copper salts (if they did happen to be formed) could be dissolved away from gold foils. Both tin sulfate and copper sulfate are water-soluble. and gold foils) to make nitric. (we do not want it to cool and form crystals that would take more water or be harder to re-dissolve) once this copper sulfate solution was diluted with boiling water. and then we could decant the tin and copper sulfate solution from our gold. may help in understanding this more: http://www. Reading this process I use to make nitric acid while removing gold plating from copper pins. If that is all there is to it.. Incineration would drive off the NOx gas from the tin meta-stannic salts SnO3. i do understand what it means when i assume.. the solution would change from a green color to a blue color when all of the nitric was distilled off. Also notice after incineration we no longer have nitrates. Sodium Metabisulfite by Geo » January 28th. The copper sulfate is easier to dissolve in boiling water if done before hard crystals form. Thanks guys. 310g/L @ 0 deg C.com/search?hl=en&as_q .google. (after incineration) just add sulfuric and distill and it will make nitric and make the tin wash away in boiling water. at least not easily or we would not want too at this point after incineration. and our gold would settle to the bottom of the vessel.. Tin in this mix may reduce some of the copper salts to copper oxide or copper (if very large amounts of tin were involved). the blue thick liquid solution would be copper sulfate. 2013. 2013. Does anything have to be added with the sulfuric to make it distill nitric acid? I have never tried to make Nitric and am not at all familiar with the chemistry. you say. the gold is not soluble as a sulfate. by glondor » January 28th. Thanks so much Butcher. I may have used the copper nitrate salts (with meta-stannic salts. That is fantastic. So continue with the process your using now to dissolve the tin and copper oxides from your gold with HCl boil and washes... and 2033g/L @ 100 deg C. when reaction was completed distilling the nitric you would need to add boiling water to the blue solution before letting it cool. So there is a conversion we can all do that will make a water soluble tin. and tin sulfate and copper sulfate.. so we could not take the copper and tin oxides and make nitric now. copper sulfate solubility in water. i didnt ask if you digested the base metal with nitric acid or AP. and copper nitrate salts Incinerating the Cu(NO3)2 would form copper and tin oxides with your gold flakes.about:blank The tin sulfate SnSO4 has a solubility of 33 grams in 100ml water @ 25 degrees C. 7:34 pm of course. s_occt=any 4 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . but with incineration this is a bit difficult to do. gives nitric acid and copper sulfate. So butcher. sorry about that "knowledge is power" by butcher » January 28th. I read dozens and dozens of posts on this last night and it seemed everyone is left hanging unsolved. The reaction would need to be distilled until the nitric acid has been distilled off.. before processing the gold. to keep copper and tin soluble we can let it sit. i was assuming AP for some insane reason. Many of us will be slapping our fore heads. 2013. Cu(NO3)2 + H2SO4 --> 2HNO3 + CuSO4 Tin nitrate would react in a similar manner. you may have the answer to the biggest pain in escrap recycling. as the NOx gas was drive off by the heat. What I was saying was instead of incineration. and your gold foils. tin sulfate. 11:41 pm glondor. the gas from incineration could be captured and bubbled into water to form some nitric acid.. 3:52 pm Amazing. Copper nitrate distilled with sulfuric acid. notice we drove off the previous acid of these salts.

the Sn5O5 group is finally broken down. it is oxidized into our metastannic acid. and tin sulfate and copper sulfate. haven't tried it but now when I read about it I would like to try. I also assumed this was copper nirates with tin from a nitrate solution because I believe you mentioned Meta stannic acid (which would be a salt of tin and nitric acid). Quote: "So when trying to distill nitric acid from nitrates with metastannic acid it is only the copper and zinc nitrates that forms nitric acid. . that amount of tin oxide (metastannic acid) could only have come from bronze pins. Cu(NO3)2 + H2SO4 --> 2HNO3 + CuSO4 Tin nitrate would react in a similar manner. On the bottom of page 274 in the document above it is mentioned that Analytical Chemistry. 2013. and gold foils) to make nitric.. I may have used the copper nitrate salts (with meta-stannic salts.. i get it when im dissolving alot of computer pins in AP given the amount of oxygen i put in solution. H 2SnO3. Tin wrote:If the beta-stannic [metastannic] acid is treated for a long time with concentrated hydrochloric acid. I started to write that "There isn't any tin nitrate. 2:18 am butcher wrote:What I was saying was instead of incineration.incinerate and remove what will dissolve with hot hcl and whats left is more easily dealt with.. the tin will dissolve in hot hcl acid." but then researching the subject further I found that according to Analytical Chemistry Tin Tin in strong nitric acid isn't dissolved. How weak. I don't know. but if we comes from a nitric solution we would form aqua regia and dissolve our gold. Copper nitrate distilled with sulfuric acid. So when trying to distill nitric acid from nitrates with metastannic acid it is only the copper and zinc nitrates that forms nitric acid. 3Sn + 4HNO3 + H2O = 3 H2SnO3 + 4NO But in weak nitric acid it dissolves tin into tin nitrate. snip . and the tin goes into solution in the form of ordinary alpha-stannic chloride That sounds like the metastannic acid could be dissolved with hydrochloric acid. 2013." 5 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . 8) Reading further I see that tin nitrate and sulfate is unstable and breaks down into acid and stannic hydroxide. it would drive off one of the oxygen atoms. Göran by Geo » January 29th. 2:34 am i thought that by calcining the tin oxide. i doubt there was that much solder in the mix.. If we incinerate to get rid of the nitrate we turn the metastannic acid into tin oxide which is another story for another day.. It is obvious that I won't solve the tin problem today.... thats the way i deal with it.. gives nitric acid and copper sulfate. tin reacts with HNO3 to form metastannic acid. 4:21 am g_axelsson. "knowledge is power" by butcher » January 29th. by g_axelsson » January 29th. Then treat the solids separately.. It would be better to decant / filter off the nitrates from the solids and create your nitric acid from that. i was told it was more complicated than that. It would be better to decant / filter off the nitrates from the solids and create your nitric acid from that.about:blank I also assumed this was copper nirates with tin from a nitrate solution because I believe you mentioned Meta stannic acid (which would be a salt of tin and nitric acid). until i better understand the chemistry all i can go by is cause and effect. 2013. Then treat the solids separately. if you heat tin oxide whether it comes from decomposed tin chloride or nitric acid to a glowing hot state. a white substance insoluble in alkalies or acids.

butcher by g_axelsson » January 29th. eventually you would be left with no nitric or nitrates in the distilling rig only copper (zinc if these salts came from brass) and tin sulfates dissolved in solution left in the boiling vessel with your gold. This distilling method would be best with large batches of metal salts. 2013. The soluble copper nitrate solution when dried or almost dry to crystallized salts also is a salt of nitrates as well as any zinc if these salts came from brass instead of just copper scrap. if captured in a filter as gelatin or dried to salts (with the copper salts). but with heat these would begin to evolve. the concentrated sulfuric breaking the gold colloids. the tin is no longer metastannic acid but converts to tin sulfate. to a distilling rig. the hot concentrated sulfuric acid can also break the colloids of the gold if any chlorides were involved or if we had a solution of HCL or copper chloride salts and colloidal gold mixed with gold flakes. and be converted to sulfates in the reaction. (and zinc if involved) some NOx gases evolving but most of this gas would just stay in the dilute solution. and copper chloride converted to copper sulfate. until the 68% HNO3 was distilling off with the NOx gas. (This method will also work for other salts or very concentrated solutions. Adding these nitrate salts (I presume Mainly copper nitrate due to proportion of metals dissolved to from these salts). 5:13 am 6 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . and the gold freed to settle in the solution of soluble copper. or it would be troublesome to incinerate this large volume of salts. from the distilling rig. (Nitric acid will distill off leaving only a soluble metal sulfate solution. and dilutes the thick copper sulfate syrup while still hot so the crystals will not form before solution is cooled and thus easier to be diluted. dissolving them into solution. thus a tin nitrate salt. adding dilute sulfuric acid. Another action of the reaction is as we are distilling. as an alternative. at first mostly water vapors with very little acidic fumes or NOx fumes. the gold will settle to the bottom of the vessel. tin in solution converted to soluble tin sulfate. or large batches of concentrated solutions. The metals do not leave as gas in the fumes. the tin is still a salt of nitric acid thus a tin nitrate salt. beginning to convert them into copper and tin sulfate. and then we can decant the sulfate solution from our gold. but also the hydrogen from the sulfuric acid would also again form nitric acid in this solution. taking over the metals in solution. and the insoluble undissolved gold). The sulfuric acid will begin reacting with these nitrate salts. this keeps from breaking the glass with thermal shock. the copper converts to copper sulfate. where filtering or separating gold from the large volume of salts or solutions would be troublesome. The tin in solution as mettastannic acid H2SnO3 really does not dissolve. and the gold is freed to settle in this solution of water soluble metal sulfates. or a pre-step to break the colloids. and the volumes of toxic gases formed by the incineration of these metal salts. because of the large volume of gases that would form from the volume of salts.about:blank The salts in discussion were concentrated and almost dried so they would contain nitrate salts of copper (zinc) and tin all of which would form HNO3 in the reaction of distilling with sulfuric acid. dissolve (or convert) the tin and copper or other metals. the copper and tin nitrates would further be convert to copper and tin sulfates in solution as the nitric acid was removed from the system by distilling it off. Once the reaction is complete the vessel opened and this solution is diluted with boiling water. tin or other metal sulfates). So at the beginning we would have a solution of copper sulfate and copper nitrate. mixed with tin sulfate and metastannic acid. The gold separated by this method can then be incinerated (without the large volume of other metal salts) before treating further. but as the distilling of the solution proceeded the nitric vapors would be more concentrated. and NOx gas would begin to evolve. and neither will the sulfuric acid (too high of a boiling point). although I am unsure how acidic the tin salts would remain with the copper (zinc) salts. the HCl can be distilled off. and distilling. the reason for the boiling water is because this should be done while the concentrated copper sulfate solution is still hot. would be a salt of nitric acid and tin. The gold in this copper and tin sulfate solution can now be left to cool. At first in the dilute solution of sulfuric acid most of these gases would not leave solution to much extent. as the nitric leaves solution and the sulfuric acid in the boiling reactor concentrates the sulfuric acid.

I hope you feel that way too. I guess I really did not look closely enough at the formula H2SnO3 to see it did not contain the nitrate anion. butcher wrote:The tin in solution as metastannic acid H2SnO3 really does not dissolve. “Hey. although I am unsure how acidic the tin salts would remain with the copper (zinc) salts. A salt of nitric acid contains the nitrate ion NO 3. discussing and arguing with you. this is fun. Sn + 4HNO3 --> H2SnO3 + NO2(g) + H2O But in dilute cold nitric acid we actually form the nitrate salt of tin Sn(NO3)2 (tin nitrate salt) when we slowly dissolve the tin. thus a tin nitrate salt. this is fun. Just think of what would happen when the copper (and zinc) nitrate is filtered off. the only nitrates in the mix is the ions coming from the copper (and zinc) nitrate. if captured in a filter as gelatin or dried to salts (with the copper salts). discussing and arguing with you. You can't create the ion by adding sulfuric acid. it has a lot of different faces and is even compared to the silicates as it has a lot in common with how SiO 2 work in mineralogy.but the metastannic acid is H2SnO3 and contains no NO3. could you still distill nitric acid off the metastannic acid and sulphuric acid? I'm already late for work so I have to dig deeper into this discussion later tonight. I was thinking the tin salt (or gelatin powder of metastannic acid) being formed from a metal of tin in nitric acid formed a tin nitrate salt. Hey. being a passivated oxide of tin that would NOT form a nitrate but would just jelly. Tin chemistry isn't easy.With that in mind let me add more to this discussion of tin in nitric acid. (this may mix with some meta stannic acid of this I am unsure): In this reaction of cold dilute nitric acid reacting on tin the NOx gas does not escape. probably breaking down to an oxidized tin metal just floating around in acid. ________________________________________________________________________ Concentrated nitric acid will break down tin to an oxide of tin powder insoluble in the acid as metastannic acid. I see now. eight more molecules of nitric acid form stannous nitrate. I also feel we are just debating a point so that we both learn. I did not even think that much about the Tin salt that much of being an oxide or nitrate of tin. 7 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM .about:blank Hi Butcher. evolving nitrogen dioxide gas: the tin does not really dissolves but stays as an oxide powder in solution forming a gelatinous substance hard to filter. would be a salt of nitric acid and tin. 5:41 pm Göran.” Hey it is better than fun. I feel you seen something I did not. and one form ammonium nitrate. I do not feel like we are arguing. 8) Göran by butcher » January 29th. It is not arguing it is learning and sharing Ideas and what we are learning. so one molecule of nitric acid oxidizes four atoms of tin. or at least here I am learning. the tin is still a salt of nitric acid thus a tin nitrate salt. I was not as concerned whether it would form nitric acid as I was of converting it to a sulfate and to remove it from the gold. I was more focused on the copper salt. what you are saying. and thus forms ammonium nitrate and stannous nitrates. therefore losing eight charges. 2013. I agree with most of what you are saying but this is what I'm reacting on. and a part of the nitrogen from the nitric acid is reduced forming a positive valence of five (toward oxygen) to a negative valance of three (toward hydrogen). Just because the metastannic acid is created by nitric and tin doesn't mean it is a salt of nitric acid. (this man slaps palm of hand up against his thick hard scull).ion. I hope you feel that too. This is where I think you make a mistake. to see the tin is only oxidized by the strong oxidizing action of the nitric acid. in this reaction tin is given 2 positive charges. Just as auric chloride isn't a salt of nitric acid even though you can create it by aqua regia and gold the nitric acid reaction with tin is an oxidation of the tin. not an acidic oxide or tri-oxide of tin or an oxidized salt of tin as it has. I did not think enough about the reaction of tin in nitric acid. Now that I see your point (a very good point I had missed).

nitrites. i only let it settle for a day or two. rest contains mostly hydrated tin dioxide and some residual nitrates. and may just form metastannic anyway. I did not even think that much about the Tin salt that much of being an oxide or nitrate of tin. 1:33 pm Guys. when you add HCl to this mixture. or SnO2. this is fun. HAuCl4 and other chlorides) when you heat this suspension for some time ( 1-3 hours ) to cca 80 degrees celzius. Thanks for showing me the error ofmy ways of my thinking (thinking has always got me into trouble) by Sucho » January 30th.5 litre of glue in my 10k beakers i use for settling after 1 kilo batch of pins then i siphon copper nitrate solution till i reach tin gel surface after this i only pour some HCl to it. discussing and arguing with you. I'm sorry I expressed my self in that way. I also feel we are just debating a point so that we both learn. Cu+2 and some Au+3 in chloride forms precipitation is quite risky. i never trying to filter this tin gel ( H2SnO3 . but i used only SMB as reducing agent it has to be used almost no excess of SMB at very low pH ( because SMB can also reduce Sn +4 to Sn+2 and looses are in a game) so you have to know how much gold is inside butyl diglyme/ dibutyl carbitol L/L extraction is also possible. I think the expression argumentation is closer to discussion and was what I tried to say. I feel you seen something I did not. FeSo4 etc) and find out which precipitant gives most rigid.about:blank Reaction of tin in cold dilute HNO3 slowly forms tin nitrate salt Sn(NO3)2 and ammonium nitrate salt NH4NO3 in solution: 4Sn + 10HNO3 --> 4Sn(NO3)2 + NH4NO3 + H2O I am unsure if this is a mute point as we concentrate the dilute solution.different orbitals in bond) the thing i do when this happens ( it happens almost everytime . quantitative reduction of Au+3 to Au0 without reducing of Sn+4 to Sn+2 with a subsequent formation of colloidal Au particles by g_axelsson » January 30th. hydrazine. I was not as concerned whether it would form nitric acid as I was of converting it to a sulfate and to remove it from the gold. With concentration or drying of the tin salts. “Hey. I hope you feel that way too. which can have same summar formula as metastannic acid. it will change to crystalclear dark green solution now it is possible to filter it without problems little problem comes in final step Sn is in oxidation state +4 in chloride form. xH20. aqua regia is produced and gold foils are dissolved in a while leaving greenish gelly suspension ( suspended tin dioxide in "Aqua Regia". sometimes the finer nuances of English is lost on me or I'm thinking on a nearby Swedish word that means almost the same thing. Most of copper nitrate and other less abundant nitrates are away in siphoned solution.CuCl2. 8 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM .Cu/Sn/Zn and other alloys with Sn are used widely). if it is in ox. state +2 . 2013. it is never more than 1. it depends on literature. as you stated the tin and its salts is a very complicated science. I do enjoy these discussions and like to (argue) discuss the science with you I seem to learn a lot in our discussions. in new literature i found its hydrated tin dioxide. You are so correct. 2013. in older you will find metastannic acid or stannic acid. but this solvent has high uptake also for Sn +4 i would try different precipitants ( oxalates .gold reduced to colloidal particles -this wasnt prooved solution contains in decrease Sn +4 . but different structural constitution and charge arrangement . I do not feel like we are arguing. Göran.” Hey it is better than fun. 5:02 pm butcher wrote:Göran. or at least here I am learning. I was more focused on the copper salt.

I've read a lot of your postings and many times I learn something new. grind it to a fine powder and then treat it with hydrochloric acid. butcher wrote:Göran. 2013. 9:33 pm testerman wrote: srlaulis wrote:This thread makes my head hurt.. Göran by srlaulis » January 30th. So much to learn Yeah. 2013. There is so much to learn on this forum. Would it be possible to cement the gold onto copper from this mixture? That could be one way to avoid the risk of creating new metastannic acid. 8) . Comprehending this one is a little more challenging. even more detailed description of what happens with tin in nitric acid .. Kevin Yeah I read every post throughout each day. Thanks for showing me the error of my ways of my thinking (thinking has always got me into trouble) I enjoy it too... could this explain why your aqua regia is able to dissolve the tin? According to Analytical Chemistry. I'll just add my answer here too. 9:49 pm i was told you cant reduce tin oxide by calcining (incineration) like you can with other oxides. I too love it though. It's called knowledge. I've learned a lot out of our discussion too. and I try my best to read all the threads I can. and the tin goes into solution in the form of ordinary alpha-stannic chloride: Sn5O5(OH)10+20 HCl=15 H2O + 5SnCl4 I guess that this is what happens when you treat it with heat for a longer time. In over 5000 posts I found one that you made an error in.about:blank It is not arguing it is learning and sharing Ideas and what we are learning... but we still have left the question of what to do with a metastannic mess. butcher wrote:But in dilute cold nitric acid we actually form the nitrate salt of tin Sn(NO3)2 (tin nitrate salt) when we slowly dissolve the tin.. the Sn5O5 group is finally broken down.. I do enjoy these discussions and like to (argue) discuss the science with you I seem to learn a lot in our discussions. . page 274 wrote: "If the metastannic acid is treated for a long time with concentrated hydrochloric acid. I had prepared this response but Sucho posted an interesting description before I was done writing. but it's a pleasurable pain. I had to do some deep research on tin chemistry just to be able to put forward my arguments for my point of view.. if there is any general solution. even though the thread i started 9 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM .. Sucho. Exactly and that is what makes this forum so great... (this may mix with some meta stannic acid of this I am unsure): I've read that even in cold solutions the tin nitrate is unstable and easily breaks down to metastannic acid. by Geo » January 30th. it wasn't easy to find. I cut out a lot of relevant things that I agree with fully . I think that the best way to treat it (from a purely theoretical point of view) is incineration that turns it into cassiterite (SnO 2). especially for the task that I'm working on. did I get it right this time? I think we are on the same page now.

At least an analogy is suggested between β-stannic acid and the polymerised silicic acids. and when dried in a vacuum. which then passes into the β-form.5H2O and Sn5O5(OH)10 respectively.this changes its structure . according to reaction between Sn and nitric acid Kunkel likewise recorded the fact that to dissolve tin the nitric acid employed must be cold.. These formulae do not. 11:11 am Goran ! your post hit me like lightning and opened my mind ! Tin chemistry is quite tricky due to its amphoterous character.4H2O instead of simply SnO2. it is soluble in strong acids / alkalis for an explanation what happens when you let your tin gel on air Gelatinous. "knowledge is power" by Sucho » January 31st.2H2O. my opinion is. without changing pH ( to avoid structure changes). β-stannic acid is also called β-metastannic acid or hydrated stannic oxide α-stannic acid has different constitutions of hydroxyle groups and oxygen in space.that means let it sit and siphon solution above Goran.H2O. is a sparingly soluble crystalline powder. i was told by Harold to grind or mill and screen and grind again and boil in hcl until there was no color change in the solution. whilst the acid dried in a vacuum is H2Sn5O11. The explanation of these observations is that whilst tin dissolves slowly. it is impossible to dissolve dryed "tin gel" in HCl ( read higher . yielding the form of hydrated stannic oxide known as β-stannic acid. however. SnO2.about:blank really kind of petered out. which is gained from a study of its salts and other derivatives. in very dilute nitric acid to produce stannous nitrate. complexicity.4H2O. precipitated β-stannic acid has the empirical composition SnO2.H2O.β-stannic acid looses some water molecules.HCl with residual nitrates (mostly Cu nitrate ) with a production of nitric acid and subsequent production of nitrosyl chloride and gaseous chlorine in situ to conclusion. ox. when hot and more concentrated acid is employed. Probably α-stannic acid is first produced from stannic nitrate. Alternative formulae are Sn5O5(OH)10.. the Sn5O5 group is finally broken down. it is not "my aqua regia". i may not understand the chemistry but it has always worked for me. and the air-dried acid becomes H2Sn5O11. 2013. Similarly the potassium salt is K2Sn5O11. having the composition Na2Sn5O11. which suggest that β-stannic acid may possibly contain a ten-membered ring of alternated tin and oxygen atoms.4H2O. is very unstable and quickly decomposes. states etc If the metastannic acid is treated for a long time with concentrated hydrochloric acid. prepared by the action of cold sodium hydroxide solution on β-stannic acid.9H2O instead of SnO2. in my opinion. that due to highly hydrated status and large structure which contains at least 5 tin atoms it is 10 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM .properties ) it is important to let your "tin gel" wet.4H2O. it was generally accepted that the only way to deal with it was to incinerate and BOIL in hcl. the stannous nitrate first formed. it is only reaction of strong acid . or calx of tin would be precipitated. as i find out. also secondary structure. when air-dried SnO2. the most probable structural nature of this compound is a net structure or a ring with oxygens between Sn 4+ and hydroxyles above and under the plane of this twisted ring Sodium β-stannate. and the tin goes into solution in the form of ordinary alpha-stannic chloride: Sn5O5(OH)10+20 HCl=15 H2O + 5SnCl4 this equation changed my point of view. convey a just idea of the nature of the β-acid. Thus the molecule of β-stannic acid appears to contain five tin atoms.2H2O.

although it is a very weak acid. This is a physical process driven by surface energy of the crystals. but today I don't feel that way any more. I'm not a chemist and I have very little practical experience of chemistry.about:blank more unstable. I also suspect that time could play a role here. I haven't had time to read any more about tin chemistry so I don't have so much to add to this discussion right now. it contains H + in it's formula so to call it an acid is justifiable. this structure is more stable . so I have to read a lot to keep up in this discussion.that means more reactive friendly for reaction with HCl. I also want to run some experiments. If I find out something new I'll add it later. There will always be harder to dissolve or chemically react with larger crystals than smaller ones. Göran 11 of 11 13-02-01 11:45 AM . but i dont like this method due to production of very fine particles ( few times i got colloidal particles with a transmitance in purple spectra. 4:01 am I think I soon join the group with heads that hurt. In a saturated water solution this is something that happens as long as the water is liquid and not frozen. How much it will differ between an old solution or a fresh one of metastannic acid is something to be found out through some experiments. it was only tin oxide. after drying restructuralisation occurs with a loss of water molecules.unable to dissolve it is possible to cement gold on copper from this mixture. Tin chemistry is really complex. 8) It seems to be a very good advice to keep the metastannic acid wet if you are going to treat it without incineration. It is so much more than only tin oxide. Half a year ago I thought that the name metastannic acid was a stupid name. but that has to wait until warmer weather. 2013.it can be find what was particle size ) by g_axelsson » February 1st. I'm a physicist. Any material that is kept for a longer time at a high enough temperature is going through recrystallization and smaller crystals disappears as bigger ones grows.

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