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the environmental disaster i n the gulf , people would be hungry for this sor= t of thing .
Maybe they are and just don ' t know about it . I ' d like to change= that-- for my uncle ' s sake . =20 I ' m reaching out to various mechanical engineers a nd physicists here in= the Research Triangle area of North Carol i na , but thought I ' d ping the lis= t to see if anybody had any relevant contacts that they wouldn ' t mind shari= ng offlist . In addition , if you feel like writing a story o n a potentially = groundbreaking technological development--one that could realistically go a= long way toward solving our nation's energy crisis -- t hen I ' d be happy to s= peak to you as well . Lord knows that the publicity wouldn ' t hurt . Again , I know that this comes out of left field and probably sounds far= fetched , but I assure you that I am very, very serious .
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List-Help : <http: //groups . google . com/support/?hlen_US>, <mailto : jour nolist+help@googlegroups . com> List-Archive : <http : //groups . google . com/group/journolist?hlen_US> Sender : journolist@googlegroups . com List-Unsubscribe : <http : //groups . google . com/group/journol ist/subscribe? hl=en_US> , <mailto : journolist+unsubscribe@googlegroups . com> Content-Type : text/plain ; charset=IS0-8859-1 Content - Transfer- Encoding : quoted-printable *Correction : that part wasn ' t from the yearbook . On Jun 15, 11 : 19=A0am, Rick Perlstein <perlst ... @aol . com> wrote : > For your delectation , Matt Drudge ' s yearbook photo : > > http : //mostlikelytokill . blogspot . com/2010/05/matt- drudge . html > > Below it he printed this : > > "I Matt Drudge , being of sound mind and body, do hereby leave the > following : To my only true friend Ms . thing , Vicky B, I leave a night > in Paris , a bottle of Chaps colongne and hope you find a school with > original people --And to everyone else who has helped a nd hindred [sic} >me whether it be Staff or students , I leave a penny for each day I ' ve > been here and cried here . A penny rich in worthless memories . For > worthless memories is what I have endured . It reminds me of a song ,
> "The Funeral Hyrne [sic] .'"
> > Not making this up .

> >On Jun 15 , 9 : 16A0am, David Weigel <weig . . . @washpost . com> wrote : >
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> > Follow-up to one hell of a day : Apparently, the Washington Examiner
ught > > it would be fun to write up a n item a bou t my dancing a t the wedding of = Megan > > McArdle and Peter Suderma n . Said item include d t he name a nd job of my > > girlfriend, who was not even t here no r in DC a t all . > > > I ' d politely encourage everyone to t hink twice a bou t r ewarding the Exam= iner > > wi t h any t ra ffic or links for a while . I know t he t empta t ion is high to > > follow up hot hot Byron York scoops , but p lea se r esis t i t . > > > On Tue , Jun 15 , 2010 at 7 : 53 AM, Dean Baker <ba ... @cepr . net> wrot e : > > > > great p lan . Maybe he wou ld t hreaten a libel suit . Drudge wou ld claim > > > huge damages b ased > > > on t he fact t hat David was implying t ha t he is an hone st journalis t . > >>>On Jun 15 , 5 : 15 am, Daniel Davies <danie l . da v ... @gmail . com> wrot e : > > > > jus t wri t e a story saying t hat he's a dmi tte d he' s wrong a nd > > > > apologised, t hen let him come afte r *you* looking for a correction . > >>>>On 14 June , 22 : 47 , David Weigel <weig ... @washp os t . com> wrot e : > >>>>>Ezra want ed one from t he NYT bu t I t hink I' ve got a better gripe . =
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> > > > > descri bed t he popular video of Rep . Bob Ethe r i dge a ct i ng like an ass to > > > a > > > > > s tudent who won ' t ID himself t hi s way : > > > > > * >>>>>Las t week Rep . Bob Etheridge (D- N. C. ) , who' s seen as a safe bet f= or > > > > > re- election t his year despite r e presen t ing a somewhat conservativ= e > > > (Cook > > > > > R+2 ) d ist rict , ran into two se lf - desc r i be d students wi th v ideo ca= mer as > > > > > outside of a fundraiser . > > > > > > '' Do you fu ll y support t he Obama agenda? '' asked one of the s tudent= s. > > > > > > '' Who are you? '' asked Etheridge, grabbing one of t he c ameras and > > > pointing it > > > > > down a move more typica ll y seen f r om Ho ll ywood bodyguards t han
> > > > > congressmen . The second camera r olled as Etheridge , irri t a t ed , he= l d t he > > > > > wr ist of t he first cameraman , t hen pu lled t he student to his side= and > > > > > grabbed him in a hug . * > > > > > > Here is how M att Drudge linked me : > > > > > > *WASH POST : NOT AN ASSAULT , A ' HUG' ... * > > > > > > Please show me where I implied t ha t Ethe r i dge was not assaul ting t he > > > kid , > > > > > and where I implied t hat t his was an affec t iona t e hug and not a > > > g rappling > > > > > bear hug . After you have done so , p lea se t ell me what to do with t he > > > 600 > > > > > emails and several phone calls ca lling me a "l ying faggot " a nd > > > t hreat ening > > > > > to kick my ass . > > > > > > This would be a vast l y better wor l d t o live in if M a tt Drudge dec= i ded > > > to > > > > > handle his emotional problems mo r e r esp onsib l y , and set himself o=
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> > > fi re . > > > > > > > > > > > David Weige l > > > > > Repo r t er > > > > > The Washington Post > > > > > o : //202 . 334 . 947 1 > > > > > c : //302 . 507 . 6806 > > > > > > > You received t his mess age because you a r e subscribed to the Google Gr= oups > > > '' Jour nolist '' group . > > > To post to t his group , send email t o j ou r nolis t@googlegroups . com > > > To unsubscri be from t his group , send email t o > > > journolis t - unsubscribe@goog legroups . com > > > For more op tions , visit t his group a t > > >http : //gr oups . google . com/group/journo li st?h l =3Den > > > And remember : All postings are off - t he - r eco rd . > > > > > David Weigel > > Repo r t er > > The Washington Post > > o : //202 . 334 . 9471
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X- HTTP- UserAgent : Mozilla/5 . 0 (Macintosh ; U; Inte l Mac OS X 10 . 6 ; en - US ; rv : 1 . 9 . 2 . 2 ) Gecko/20100316 Firefox/3 . 6 . 2 , gzip(gfe) Message- I D: <bdd9df33 - 0d30 - 4ff4 - 8a8e- 9c98e9f52fa2 @e5g2000yqn . googlegroups . com> Subject : [ JournoList] Haiti fundraiser press re l ease From : Rick Perlstein <perlstein@aol . com> To : Journolist <journolist@googlegroups . com> Reply- To : journolis t @googlegroups . com Precedence : list Mailing- list : list journolist@googlegroups . com; contact journolis t+owners@googlegroups . com Lis t - I D: <journolis t . googlegroups . com> Lis t - Post : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno l ist/post?hl=en_ US> , <mail to : journolis t @googlegroups . com> Lis t - Help : <http : //groups . google . com/support/?h l =en_US> , <mail to : journolis t+help@googlegroups . com> Lis t - Archive : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno l ist?h l =en_ US> Sender : journolis t @googlegroups . com Lis t - Unsubscribe : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno l ist/subscribe? hl=en US> , <mail to : journolis t+unsubscribe@googlegroups . com> Content - Type : t ext /plain ; charset=windows -1 252 Content - Transfer- Encodi ng : quoted- printable Linda and my beloved li tt le brother Ben (aka t he Coo l Per l stein) is manager for t he bassis t Tommy Stinson , of Guns 'n Roses and formerly t he Replacement s . Here ' s an announcement for a fundraiser he ' s doing-Ben ' s inviting reporters to come along with t hem for t he graduation at a school Stimson supports , but even j ust an announcemen t (and I ' ll pos t a reminder jus t before t he time of t he auction) b l ogs or , say , t he Nation ' s news briefs page would be fantastic . Al so , it ' s a nice little updat e on s ti ll - horrific conditions on t he ground .
The world ' s a ttention=AOhas=AO turned elsewhere as Haiti struggles to recover from t he historic J anuary earthquake . No country has suffered such a=AOmassive d isaster in a century ; 3% of t he 9 mi ll ion population d ied , a like number suffered injury and i llne ss and 20 % are now homeless . The si tuation in Port au Pri nce is sti ll t hreat ened=AOby=AO t he chaoti c si tua tion existing t here . Haiti , t he poores t country in the Western Hemisphere has li tt le infrastructure , making=AOevery tas k more d ifficult . TOMMY STINSON is committed to aiding t he fundraising and awareness b uild ing effort s in Haiti by working with t he Timkatec Centers , three schools located in Petion - Vi lle , a suburb of Port Au Prince . Tommy , currentl y in Guns N=92 Roses and Sou l Asyl um and formerly of The Replacement s , Bash & Pop a nd Perfect , wi ll hold an on l ine fund - raiser by selling personal a nd donated items on his website , www . tommys ti nson . com, in late July . Items will include a signed GNR bass guitar , two reti red cus tom- made plaid suits from his GNR tours , a week-long vacation in t he Bahamas , a nd more . Everyone who makes a donat ion of any amount to Timka t ec as part of t he fund - raise r wi ll r eceive a free download of =93Don=92t Deserve You , =94 t he first single off of Tommy=9 2s
upcoming solo release , which is currently in production (re l ease date TBA) . The t hree=AOTimka t ec schools=AOsupport 500 c h i l dren and desperately need financial s upport . Timkat ec l , =AOa residentia l Primary school founded in 1 994 , brings some relief and normalcy t o=A0500 kids=AOin t he post eart hquake=AOchaos by providing food , she l ter , education and s t r uc ture=AO to homeless and abandoned chi l dren , some j ust 5 years old . Timka t ec 2 , =A0built in 2005 , is=AOa t rade schoo l for destitute=AOteenage boys , t raining=AOas plumbers , elect ricians , tai l ors , s hoe ma kers and cons t r uc tion workers ; =AOTimkat ec 3 , founded in 2009 , =A0trains teenage girls as cooks , hairdressers , seams t resses and c h i l d care workers . =AOThe res ult s are=AOimprov ement s in heal t h , literacy and se l f - esteem and above all , t he abili t y to=AOsupport one=92s se l f . Current l y , funding for Timka t ec comes f rom " The Friends of Timkatec in America ", fo unded by the O' Shea f amily and friends in 2004 t o bui l d Timkatec 2 and f und its operations . More information : http : //www . timkatec . org/ Consider t hese f act s : 150 s tudent s and employees are=AOunaccounted for and=AO ha ve been replaced f rom t he t housands of newly homeless . Medical t reatment fo r t he girls is a significant new unpl anned expense . A psychologis t is on s ta ff t o advise t he kids suffering from post t rauma ti c s t ress as frequen t after - shocks sti ll=AOoccur . Many Timka t ec s tudent s=AOs t ill sleep out side . The need to assis t s ta ff with minimum housing and c l oth ing so=AOthey could return to work is an unplanned expense . The water and fuel si t uat ion is cri t ical and expensive . Food is 15- 25 % higher in cos t s . Tommy is planning on attending t he graduation ceremonies at Timkatec 2 in Petion- Ville to hand out diplomas on Saturday , Ju l y 31 , 2010 . Would your p ublicati on be int eres t ed in sending a writer a l ong with Tommy to H ai ti cover t his s t ory ? The tra ve l wou l d commence on Thursday , Jul y 29 t h , ret urning Sunday , August 1st . American Airlines fli es directl y into t he Port au Prince Airport . All ground t ransport a tion and accommodat ions would be arranged , I look fo rward to speaking with you about t he possibi l ity of having one of your fine writers accompany Tommy on t h is extraordinary endeavor . -- =20 You received t his message because you are subscribed to t he Google Groups " = Journolis t '' group . To pos t to t his group , send email t o j ourno l ist@googl egroups . com To uns ubscribe f rom t his group , send emai l to j ourno l ist uns ubscribe@google= groups . com For more options , vi si t t his group at h ttp : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno=
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hl=en US> , <mail t o : journolis t+unsubscribe@googlegroups . com> Cont ent - Type : mul t ipart /al t ernat ive ; boundary=Apple- Mail - 144 -- 145061824 Cont ent - Trans f er- Encoding : 7bi t --Apple- Mail - 1 44 --1 45061824 Cont ent - Type : t ext /plain ; charset =IS0- 8859 -1; format=flowed ; delsp=yes Yes t hey are . Those are more obs t acles . Not saying it's go j ng to work . But t hat ' s what t hey ' re t hinking On Jun 1 6, 201 0 , a t 12 : 07 AM, Ben Adler <benadle r 1@gmail. com> wrote : >Marc , i t hought t hey were way short of 60 . like ma rk warner , jim > webb , ben nelson e t al . no? > >On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 2010 a t 11 : 56 PM , Marc <ma rc . ambinder@gmail . com> > wrot e : H does have a s t rat egy here . Let the Senate pass a bill withou t > The W > carbon pricing . Wai t t ill t he lame duck . Then throw the full weight > o f t he o ff ice int o gett ing cap and t rade into the final version . > Scott Brown might be t he 60 t h vot e , although Sherrod Brown and > McCaski ll and Rockefeller are obs t acles . > > I n o t her words , i t ' s all about t he confernce . > > Wi l i t work? No idea . > > >On Jun 1 5 , 201 0 , a t 11 : 49 PM , Matthew Yglesias <mygle sias@gmail . com> > wrot e : > >> That seems l ike bes t - case scenario for the White House -- wou ld >> give t hem a big f ight t o engage progressives with , and on terrain >> t heir comf ort abl e wi t h rat her t han t his boring c lima te change stu ff >> t hat t hey don ' t want t o t alk about . >> >>On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 2010 a t 11 : 41 PM , Mark A. R. Kleiman <markarkl eiman@gmai l . com >> > wrot e : >> That was my f irs t react ion , but on second reading all the specifics >> he o ffers invo lve t hings not in t he legislation that he might be >> wi ll ing t o consider as t he ideas of others . But yes , it wou ld have >> been nice f or him t o say ''What happened in the Gulf is the price of >>cheap energy . We can ' t afford t o keep paying it .'' >> >> Di fferent q ues t ion : What happens if BP te ll s him to go play in >> t ra ff ic on t he res t i t ut ion fund? The speech suggests that he ' s in a >>posi t ion t o give orders , but I don ' t see how . >> >> >> On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 2010 a t 8 : 24 PM , Ben Adle r <benadle r 1@gmail. com> >> wrot e : >> Am I wrong t o be t ot ally underwhelmed by this? sounds like a weak >> cop o ut t o me . no specific call for a carbon cap or tax? >> h ttp : //www . newsweek . com/blogs/ t he- gaggle /20 1 0/06/ 15/obama-chickens o ut - on- energy . h t ml >> >>
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You received t his message because you are subscribed to t he Google Gr oups '' Jour nolist '' group . To post to t his group , send email t o j ourno l ist@googlegroups . com To uns ubscri be f r om t his group , send emai l to j ourno l ist uns ubscri be@googlegroups . com For more op tions , vi si t t his group at h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/group/ j ournolist? hl=en And remember : All posti ngs are off - t he- record . --Apple- Mail - 144 --14 5061824 Content - Type : t ext/h t ml ; charset =IS0- 8859 - 1 Content - Transfer - Encoding : quot ed- printable <html ><body bgcolor=3D" #FFFFFF" ><div>Yes t he y are . Those are more obs t acles= . Not saying it ' s go j ng t o work . But t hat ' s what t he y ' r e t hin king&nbsp ; = On Jun 16 , 2010 , at 12 : 07 AM, Ben Adle r & l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : benad ler 1 =
@gmail . com" >benadlerl@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : </div><div></div> <blo= ckquote type=3D '' cite '' ><div>Marc , i t hought they were way short of 60 . like = mark warner , jim webb , ben nelson et al . no? <div c l ass= 3D "gmail_q uo= te '' >On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 2010 at 11 : 56 PM , Marc &lt ; <a href=3D= "mailto : marc . ambinder@gmail . com" ><a href= 3D "mailto : marc . ambinder@gmail . com" = >marc . ambinder@gmail . com</a></a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : l ex ;'' ><div bgcolor= 3D " #= FFFFFF '' ><div>The WH does have a strategy here . Let the Senate pass a bill w= ithout carbon pricing . Wait ti ll t he lame duck . Then throw the full weight = of the office into getting cap and trade into the fina l version . &nbsp ; Scot= t Brown might be the 60th vote , although Sherrod Brown and McCaskill and Ro= ckefeller are obstacles . &nbsp ; </div> <div> </div><div>In other words , it ' s a ll about the confernce . &nbsp ; </di= v><div> </div><div>Wil it work? No idea . &nbsp ; <div c l ass=3D " im"> = On Jun 1 5 , 2010 , at 11 : 49 PM , Matthew Yg l esias &l t ; <a href= 3D '' mailto : mygles= ias@gmail . com" target=3D" _blank" ><a href=3D "mai l to :mygl esias@gmail . com"> myg= lesias@gmail . com</a></a>&gt ; wrote : </div></div><div class=3D" im" ><div></div><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <div= >That seems like bes t - case scenario for the White House -- would give them = a big fight to engage progressives with , and on terrain their comfortable w= ith rather than this boring climate change stuff that they don ' t want to ta= lk about . &nbsp ; <div class=3D "gmail_quote " >On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 20 1 0 at 11: 41 PM, Mark A. R. = Kleiman &lt ; <a href= 3D "mailto : markarkleiman@gmail . com" ta= rget=3D " _blank " ></a><a href=3D"mailto : markarkl eiman@gmai l. com" target= 3D " b= lank '' ><a href=3D '' mailto : markarkleiman@gmai l. com '' >markarkl eiman@gmail . com <Ia= ></a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : l ex ;'' > That was my fi rs t reaction , but on second reading a ll the specifics he offe= rs involve things not in t he legislation that he might be willing to consid= eras the ideas of others . But yes , it wou l d have been nice for him to
say = '' What happened in t he Gulf is t he price of cheap ene rgy . We c a n ' t afford to= keep paying it . '' <div> </div><div>Different question : &nbsp ; What happens if BP t ells him to go= p lay in t ra ffic on t he restitution fund? The speech suggests tha t he ' s in = a position to give orders , but I don ' t see how . <div> <div class=3D "gmail_quote " > On Tue , Jun 1 5 , 2010 at 8 : 24 PM , Ben Adler &lt ; <a href=3D= "mailto : benad ler l @gmai l . com" target=3D" _ b lank" ></a><a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : benad l= erl@gmail . com" t arget=3D" _blank" ><a href= 3D "mailt o : benad le r l@ gmail . com"> ben= adlerl@gmail . com</a></a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote c lass= 3D "gmail_q u= ote '' s t yle=3D '' bo rder- left : lpx solid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Op= t 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > I wr ong to be tota ll y underwhelmed by t his? sounds like a weak cop out t = o me . no specific call for a carbon cap o r t ax? <a h r ef= 3D '' h ttp : //www . ne= wsweek . com/blogs/ t he- gaggle/2010/06/15/obama-chickens - ou t - on energy . h tml " t = arget =3D " _b lank " ></a><a href=3D" http : //www . newsweek . com/blogs/the gaggle/20= 10/06/15/obama- chickens - out - on - energy . ht ml'' t a rge t=3D ''_ b lank'' ><a href= 3D "h t = t p : //www . newsweek . com/blogs/the- gaggle/20 1 0/06/ 1 5/ obama - chickens - out - on ene= rgy . h tml " >http : //www . newsweek . com/blogs/the - gaggle /20 1 0/06/ 1 5/obamachicken= s - out - on- energy . h tml </a></a><div>
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Sender : journolis t @googlegroups . com Lis t - Uns ubscri be : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist/subscribe? hl=en US> , <mail to : journolis t+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - Type : t ext/plain ; charset =IS0- 8859 - 1 Content - Trans f er- Encoding : quot ed- printable yes , I wish t hose naive dupes had figured out a way to outsmart the part y es t ablishment in ' 68 -- despi t e my revo lu tiona ry po li tics , I would have had a hard t ime not aski ng people to vote for McC . I don ' t t hink anyone has argued t hat pot entially v iable progressive candidat es should n ' t challenge sell - out incumbents . I don' t thin k Obama is close to being t hat kind of incumbent, by t he way (his backtracking on ci vi l libert ies notw i t hs tanding) . But I voted for EMK in ' 80 and Brad ley i n ' 00 -- a nd wou ld defend t hose decisions today . On Wed , Jun 1 6, 20 10 at 4 : 28 PM , Katha Pollitt <katha . po lli tt@gmai l . com> wr= ote : > If i had been old enough t o vote in 1 968 , I doubt i would =AOhave voted f = or > HHH , since I t hought McCart hy support ers were naive dupes of capi t alism . > =AO=AO It is hard t o remember how different t hose times were , says she > ancientl y . > > On Wed , Jun 1 6, 2010 at 10 : 18 PM , J eet Heer <j eetheer@yahoo . ca> wrote : >> >> I t hink in his d iaries Art hur Schlesinge r men tions mee ting the edi tors >> of t he New York Review of Books in t he fall of 1 968 and being shocked >> to d iscover t hey were voti ng for Nixon because t hey t hought he ' d be >> more likely to end t he war . So i t was a pretty common line of t hought , >> alas . >> >> On Jun 1 6, 2 : 13 =A0pm, Wa l t er Shapiro <walter . shap ... @gmail . com> wrot e : >> > Somebody on t his t hread has t o be old enough and gutsy enough to make >> > t he >> > b ig con f ession : I cas t my firs t ballot for president in 1968 and it >> > wasn ' t >> > fo r Hubert Humprhey . (I am t oo embarrassed to admit what left - wing >> > prot es t >> > candidat e I d i d pull t he lever in Michigan for) . >> > >> > Of course , in hindsight , i t was a ma j or mis take , e ven though there was= a >> > respect able body of t hought at t he time (Walter Lippmann , this Bud ' s f = or >> > you ) t hat Nixon wou ld have t o end t he Vietnam War . But I also need to >> > s t ress >> > (and I t hink Katha ' s t he only one who has picked up on this) how >> > wrenching
>> > 1968 was to anyone on t he left or , fo r t ha t ma tte r , in the c e nter . >> > >> > But let me also add t hat Humphrey ' s conduct on t he war couldn ' t be >> > defended >> > ei t her t hen o r now. And I wonder (a l t hough I am wi lling to yield to >> > evidence ) if HHH wou ld not have continued t he war as president because=
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even t hen , t he Democrats were panicked abou t a ppea r ing weak on na t ional securi t y . (Remember t hat Gene McCarthy picked up a few vo t es in Ne w Hampshire
>> > Wisconsin because old- line ethnic Democrats t hough t t ha t Joe was >> > r unning . >> > McCartheyism in 1 968 was not j ust a n his t o r ical memo ry) . >> > >> > Finally , if one doesn ' t make poli t ica l mi stakes of t he heart whe n you ' = re >>>young (like cas t ing a n a nt i - war protest vot e in 1 968) , wha t hope is >> > t here >> > when you ' re older? >> > >> > >> > >>>On Wed , Jun 1 6, 2010 at 3 : 47 PM , Michael Cohen <speech ... @mac . com> >> > wr ote : >> > > Actually I wonder if you could ma ke t he case t ha t lib eral d iscontent=
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>> > > both >> > > in Congress and among voters , help e d t o cost Clint on control of t he >> > > House >>>>and Senat e in 1 994 . =AOThat was certain l y no t t he case wi th de ficit >> > > reduc tion , >> > > b ut perhaps was with t he crime bi ll in t he summe r and fall of 1 994 >> > > . and >> > > to a lesser ext ent hea l t h care . >> > >> > > Of course , having said t hat i t ' s pre tty ha rd t o put this one >> > > complet ely on >> > > liberals - moderates a nd Southern Democrats in t he Congress cert ainl=
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di d significant harm t o t he party . And what about 1 980 a nd Kennedy ' s pr1ma ry run? Carter was a t errible pres i dent , b ut a ll t he resources he de vo t e d t o fen d ing off Teddy cert ainly d i d n ' t help his re- elect ion chances .
>> > > On Jun 16 , 2010 , at 3 : 42 PM , david dayen wrote : >> > >>>> I t hink t he idea t hat Vietnam was an except ion (which I ' d agree wi t h=
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>> > > speaks more t o my point , t hat I cannot see a set of circumstances >> > > where >> > > liberal d iscontent with policy concessions had una l t erabl y bad >> > > consequences >> > > fo r ei t her t he politics or t he po licy , esp ecially no t the policy , >> > > which I >> > > find more important . =AOI just don ' t see how critics " reinforced the >> > > power '' >> > > of t hose t ryi ng to stop t he New Dea l o r t he Gr ea t Society . >> > >>>>On Wed , Jun 16, 2010 at 12 : 13 PM , Michael Cohen <speech ... @ mac . com> >> > > wr ote : >> > >> > >> I ' m with Heather . . =AOmainly because as a chi l d my mother used to >> > >> always >>>>>cri ti cize the libera ls who stayed home 1n 1 968 ! I come from a famil= y >> > >> of >> > >> dyed- in- t he- woo l pragmatists . >> > >> > >> But t he more I read about Vietnam as an a du l t I symp a thize wi th t he >> > >> liberals who did sit on t heir ha nds . As Kazin suggests , HHH was a >> > >> wimp who >> > >> would n ' t s t and up to LBJ in opposition t o a war t ha t he kne w was >> > >> unwinnab le >> > >> (probably as far back as 1 965) . =AOBut genera ll y I come down with >> > >> Tomasky ; >> > >> Vietnam is t he exception t hat does no t prove t he ru le. >> > >> > >> On Jun 16 , 2010 , at 3 : 09 PM , Heather Hur l burt wrote : >> > >> > >> In t hat case , t he change- with - ag ing ques t ion is p a rt of one ' s >> > >> personality >> > >> -- fo r me , I ' ve been left in aims and mode r a t e in expecta t ions all = my >> > >> life , >> > >> o r a t least since reading Hedrick Smi t h and So l zhenitsyn i n high >> > >> school . >> > >> > >> ----------------------------->> > >> The New Busy is not t he too busy . Comb ine a ll your e - mail account s >> > >> with >> > >> Hotmail . Get >> > >> b usy . <http : //www . wi ndows live . com/campaign/ t henewbusy?t ile= 3Dmultiac= count &ocid ... >
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-- 0016363b7fe2f0606504892dd45e Content - Type : t ext/plain ; charset=windows -1 252 Content - Transfer- Encodi ng : quoted- printable I covered Kobe ' s rape case a nd went into it with pro - prosecu tion assumptions . The deta ils have faded from my memo ry , but I r emember t hinking t hat t he government made t he right choice in dropping t he charges . Obviously , Kobe benefitted from excellent lawye rs and unlimited resources , b ut I also concluded t hat it was a very weak case . Which is not the same thing as saying he was innocent , either . On Wed , Jun 16 , 2010 at 6 : 57 PM, Tom Philpott <tom@maverickfarms . com> wrote= > I , too , have been creeped out by Kobe since t he rape accusation . It > seemed to me there wou ld be very huge downside for a working c lass > young woman to accuse a megastar with a bottomless legal budget of > rape . It would be obvious t hat she , as much as him , would go on trial . > Of course we have no idea what happened , but i t would seem that no > sane person would press a false accusation under such circumstances . > > On a much more t r ivia l note , t ha nks to Matt Yglesias for this wise > note on t he (abs urd) Bryant/MJ comparisons now going on : > h ttp : //yglesias . t hinkprogress . org/2010/06/the - kob e - canard/ > >Matt ' s analysis is backed up by t hat of t he economis t/bas ke tball > t heoris t Dave Berri . http : //www . wagesofwins . com/Kobe8 . ht ml That chart >compares Pierce and Bryant in t heir primes (8 years ending i n the ' 08 > season) with MJ in t he l ast eight seasons of his career -- i nc l udi ng > t hose wei rd ones i n D. C. Even with t hat skew , M J eme rges as c learl y > superior to the ot hers , a nd Pierce a nd Kobe as roughly e qual . > > On Wed , Jun 16 , 2010 at 3 : 32 PM, Alex Rossmiller > <alexrossmiller@gmail . com> wrote : >>Not to get too far afield, but since Russ men tions t ha t report , i t ' s > wor th > > noting t hat t here is a serious a nd inexplicable gap in many states ' law= s > > regarding s t rangu l ation , which is often classified as a minor misdemean= or > > (o r even less ) while most other conceivable acts of pote nt iall y deadly > > violence are felo nies . This is changing , but only r ela t i ve l y recently , > and > > it ' s an incredi bl y important t hing -- no t surprisingly , studies show th= at > > choking is a clear precursor to many domestic vio lence incidents tha t > tur n > > fatal . This year a lone , Delaware a nd New Hampshire have made > s t rangulation
> > a felony , and New York (following the horrific Paterson aide s tories ) > > introduced a similar bill . In recent years , I ll inois , Wyoming , and > Nevada > > have t aken analogous steps . > > > > In New York , e . g ., choking without " evidence of ph ysica l injury " isn ' t > even > > assaul t , but rat her second degree harassment , wh ich is a violation -- y= ou >>get a ti cket (or just a warning) , like for disorder l y conduct . I think=
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>>making it a misdemeanor without apparent in j ury , etc . ) . The idea of > choking > > a physically weaker person gives me t he wi ll ies in a way even beyond mo= st > > kinds of violence , but you can see wh y it wou l d be attractive to abuser= s > > > it often leaves no permanent marks , but it exemp l ifies dominance and > cont rol > > in a uniquely personal and terrifying way ; it can produce unconsciousne= ss > in > > around 10 seconds and represents the possibi l ity of not just pain or > > humiliation , but surprisingly quick and easy (1 0 -1 5 pounds of pressure > for a > > couple minutes ) death . > > > > Between t en and fifteen percent of vio l ent death s every year in the U. S= > are > > from s t rangulati on . But if the victim doesn ' t die , in too many places > it ' s >>barely prosecut ed (because it ' s bare l y i llega l ) , and 1n the states wher= e > it > > is a real crime , that ' s generally a very recent deve l opment . > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 16 , 2010 at 2 : 00 PM, Russ We llen <russwe llen@gmail . com> > wrote :
> >> > >> I saac wr o t e : > >> > >>> > >>> al t hough I act ua ll y t h i n k Kobe , t oo , has > >>> gotten a f r eer ride t ha n he deserve s > >> > >> Yeah -- ove r what might have t ranspire d > >> a t t he Lodge and Spa a t Cordi ll era i n 2003 . >>> The r ape char ge didn ' t s t ick, but e ve r sinc e , >>> r ight ly o r wr ong l y , I ' ve never been able > >> t o get what ' s highl ight ed i n wha t fo llows > >> o ut o f my mind whe never I see h im p l ay . > >> > >>> > >>> She claimed t hat s he t ried t o pu ll away at t hat poin t , and sai d Br yan=
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> >>> p ut bo t h o f his ha nds around her nec k to c ho ke he r . She sai d he p ulle=
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> her > >>> ove r t o t he chair by her neck . . . . with one ha nd on he r nec k hold ing > her > >>> down . . . . She said s he t o l d Bryant '' no '' [a nd ] trie d to re l ease h i s > hand s > >>> f r om [her ] neck . > >> > >> > >> She may have had a n overact ive > >> imaginat ion . But who makes up > >> a s t o r y a bo ut a man l eadi ng you > >> a r o und wi t h his huge ha nd around > >> your neck? Tr uly frig ht e n i ng . > >> > >> Okay , yes , as a p l ayer , he ' s cert ai nl y > >> wi t hin s p i tt ing dis t a nce of J ordan . > >> > >> Russ Wellen . > >> =9 5 Ed i t s Focal Poi nt s , t he Foreign Po l icy i n Focus b l og : > >> h ttp : //www . f pi f . org/b l og > >> =9 5 Hold s down t he ''Nukes a nd Ot her W M D' s '' de s k at t he Faster Times : > >> h ttp : // t hef as t ert imes . com/ > >> =9 5 W r i t es '' The Depro l iferat or '' for : > >> Scholar s & Rogues : http : //www . scho l arsandrogue s . com/ > >> Newshogger s : h ttp : // news hoggers . com/ > >> The Agonis t : h ttp : //agon is t . org/ > >> Smi r king Chimp : http : //www . smirki ngch i mp . com/ > >> Huffingt on Pos t : http : //www . huffi ngtonpost . com/ > >> =9 5 I s an a dv isor t o t he Madrona I n stitute : h ttp : //madrona . org/ > >> =9 5 Co- mode r a t es Terra l is t . > >> > >> '' Peopl e who c l i ng t o paradigms ( j ust about a ll of us) take one l ook at > t he > >> spacious possib i l i t y t ha t everyt h i ng we t h i nk is guaran teed to be > nonsense > >> and peda l r apidl y i n t he opposi t e dire ction . Surel y t he re i s no
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-- 0016363b7fe2f0606504892dd45e Content - Type : t extlhtm1 ; charset=windows - 1252 Content - Trans f er- Encodi ng : quoted- printable I covered Kobe&# 39 ; s rape case a nd went int o i t with pro - prosecut ion as sump= tions . The det ails have faded from my memo ry , but I r ememb e r thinking t hat = t he government made t he right choice in dropping t he c ha rges . Obviously , Ko= be benefitted f r om excellent l awyers a nd un limi t e d r esou rces , but I also co= ncluded t hat it was a very weak case . =AOWhic h is no t t he same thing as say= ing he was innocent , either . <div class=3D "gmail_quote " >On Wed, J un 16 , 20 10 a t 6 : 57 PM, Tom Philpot= t &lt ; <a href=3D"mailto : t om@ mave r ickfa r ms . com"> tom@ maver i= ckfarms . com<la>&gt ; <lspan> wrote : <blockquote c la ss=3D '' gmail_ q uote '' s t yl= e=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex;borderleft : 1px #ccc so lid ; p a dding- le ft : 1ex;" > I , too , have been creeped out by Kobe since t he r ap e accusa t ion . It seemed to me t here wou ld be very huge downside fo r a working c lass young woman to accuse a megastar with a bo ttomless lega l budge t of rape . It would be ob vious t hat she , as much as him, wou l d go on trial . Of course we have no idea what happened, but i t wou l d seem tha t no sane person would press a false accusati on under such circumstances . On a much more t r ivia l note , t ha nks to Ma tt Yglesias fo r t hi s wise note on t he (abs urd) BryantiM J comparisons now going on : <a h re f=3D "http : llyg lesi as . t hinkprogress . o rg/20 10/06/the - kobe - c a nardl " t arg= e t =3D '' b lank '' >http : llyg lesi as . t hinkprogress . o rg/20 10/06/the - kobe - c a nardl <Ia= > Matt &#39 ; s analysis is backed up by t hat of t he economis t/baske tball t heoris t Dave Berri . <a href=3D" http : llwww . wagesofwins . com/Kobe8 . html " t arg= e t =3D "_b lank " >http : llwww . wagesofwi ns . com/Kobe8 . h t ml</a> That chart compares Pierce and Bryant in t heir primes (8 years end ing i n the &# 39 ; 08<b= r> season ) with M J in t he l ast eight seasons of hi s career -- including those wei rd ones in D. C. Even with t hat skew , M J eme rges as c learl y superior to t he others , a nd Pierce a nd Kobe as r oughly e qual . On Wed , Jun 16 , 2010 at 3 : 32 PM , Alex Rossmille r &l t ; <a href=3D '' mailto : a lexrossmiller@gma il . com'' >a lex r ossmiller@gmail . com <Ia= >&gt ; wr ote : &gt ; Not to get too far afield, but since Russ ment ions t ha t report , it &#39= ; s wor th &gt ; noting tha t t here is a serious a nd inexp licable gap 1n many s t a t es&#39= ; laws &gt ; regarding s t rangu l ation , which is often c la ssified as a minor
misdemea= nor &gt ; (o r even less ) while most other conceivable acts of potent iall y dea d ly= &gt ; violence are fe l onies . =AO This is c hanging , but on l y r elat i ve l y recent= ly , and &gt ; it&#39 ; s an incredib l y important t hing -- no t surprisingly , studies sh= ow tha t &gt ; choking is a clear precursor to many dome stic vio lence i nc idents tha t = tur n &gt ; fatal . =AO Thi s year a l one , Delaware and Ne w Ham psh ire have made s t rang= ulation &gt ; a felony , and New York (following t he horrific Pate rson aide s tor ies ) <= br> &gt ; int r od uced a similar bill . =AO I n recent years , I llinois , Wyomi ng , and = Nevada &gt ; have t aken analogous steps . &gt ; &gt ; In New Yor k , e . g ., choking without &quot ; e v i dence of ph ys i cal injury&q= uot ; isn&#39 ; t even &gt ; assaul t , b ut rat her second degree ha rassmen t , wh ich is a v i o lat i on
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you &gt ; get a ti cket (or just a warning) , like fo r d iso rde r l y conduct . =AO I th= ink I &gt ; read a t some poi nt t hat onl y around ha lf of states have specific laws<= br> &gt ; regarding choking , a nd a quick goog le search doesn&# 39 ; t turn up much = about how &gt ; s t r ong they are (e . g ., a state might have a l aw about s t rangulation , b= ut &gt ; making it a misdemeanor without apparent in j ury , e tc . ) . =AO The idea of= choking &gt ; a physically weaker person gives me t he wi llie s 1n a way even beyond m= ost &gt ; kinds of violence , but you can see wh y it wou l d be attractive to abuse= rs -- &gt ; it often leaves no permanent marks , but i t exemp lifie s dominance and c= ont r ol &gt ; in a uniq uely pers ona l a nd terrifyi ng way ; i t can produce unconsciousn= ess in &gt ; around 10 seconds a nd represents t he poss i bi l ity of no t just pain o r<b=
r> &gt ; humiliation , b ut surprisingly quick and easy (10-1 5 pounds of pressure= for a &gt ; couple minutes ) deat h . &gt ; &gt ; Between t en and fif t een percent of vio len t dea t hs e ve ry year in the U. = S . are &gt ; from s t rangulat ion . =AO But if t he victim doesn&#39 ; t die , in too many = places it&#39 ; s &gt ; barely prosecut ed (because i t &#39 ; s barely i llega l ) , and in the s t a t es= where it &gt ; is a real crime , t hat&#39 ; s general l y a very r ecen t de ve lopmen t . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Wed , Jun 1 6, 2010 at 2 : 00 PM , Russ We llen & l t ; <a h r ef= 3D "mailto : r us= swellen@gmail . com" >russwellen@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; I saac wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; al t hough I actua lly t hink Kobe , too , has &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; gotten a freer ride t ha n he deserves &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Yeah -- over what might have t ranspired &gt ; &gt ; a t t he Lodge a nd Spa at Cordi llera in 2003 . &gt ; &gt ; The rape charge didn&#39 ; t s t ick , but e ve r since , &gt ; &gt ; rightl y or wrongly , I&#39 ; ve never been able &gt ; &gt ; to get what &#39 ; s highlight ed in what fo llows &gt ; &gt ; out of my mi nd whenever I see him p l ay . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; She claimed t hat she t ried to pu ll away at t ha t point , and sai= d Bryant &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; p ut bot h of his ha nds around her neck to choke her . She said h= e p ulled her &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; over to t he chair by her neck . . . . with one hand on her neck h= old ing her &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; down . . .. She said she t old Bryant &quot ; no&quo t ; [and] t ried = to release his hands &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; from [her] neck . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; She may have had a n overact ive &gt ; &gt ; imagination . But who makes up &gt ; &gt ; a s tory about a man leadi ng you &gt ; &gt ; around wi t h his huge ha nd around &gt ; &gt ; your neck? Tru ly frigh t ening . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Okay , yes , as a player , he&#39 ; s certain l y &gt ; &gt ; wi t hin spi tt ing dis tance of J ordan . 
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hl=en US> , <mail to : jour nolist+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - Type : t ext/plain ; charset =IS0- 8859 -1 Content - Trans f er- Encoding : quot ed- printable FW IW , the NASCAR f ans who whined about Toyota getting in annoy me less than t hose who find excuses t o insinuat e t ha t only Americans see how s tupid soccer is . The sport did s ta r t as stock car racing, and I can see how bringing fo reign cars sort of betrays t ha t his tory . But they got eat en by a global economy . On Th u , Jun 17 , 2010 at 3 : 51 PM , Daniel Dav ies <daniel . davies@gmai l . com> wr= ote : > I ' m not s ure t hat '' every ma j or producer '' isn ' t a bit of a chiz though ; ASCAR from having to > the US - b uilt requi rement effect ively insulates N >compet e agains t near l y a ll of t he wor l d ' s rea lly strong mo torsport >manufacturers . =AONo Ferrari , no McLaren , etc , and no way for the "UK > Motorsport c lus t er " (t he specialis t factories in and around > Nort hampton and Worcester who build most of t he power trains for > racing cars e verywhere else in t he wor l d) to get involved . =AOAnother > '' World Series '' I guess . =AOThis mus t be a producer lobby at work though > - I ' m s ure NASCAR fans wou ld love t o see a team of Ferraris line up . > >On Jun 17 , 8 : 35=A0pm, Alex Rossmiller <alexrossmil ... @gmail . com> wrote : >> I don ' t see what ' s not fair about simply observ ing t ha t it ' s wrong to sa=
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>> the sport "REQUIRES driving a n American car " when Toyota has been fi e l d i= ng >> and s uppl ying t eams for four years . >> >> For a variet y of reasons I don ' t t hink t he domes tica lly- bui l t r u le is >> especiall y jingois t ic , but even if ot he rs don' t agree , t hat has nothing = to >>do with t he f act of Toyota ' s presence ; no r did Toyota get in on a >> '' t echnicalit y '' -- a ny manufact urer t ha t makes cars in t he U. S . (which t h= ese >> days is bas ically every ma j or producer) could field a team, if they want= ed >> to p ut in t he years of work a nd preparation and t he millions of dollars >> requi red . =AOAnd t he cont roversy over Toyota ' s entry is similarly irrele= vant >> to t he (absence of a) rule prohibi t ing foreign automakers . tha t ' s 1 = ike >> saying it ' s unfair t o ment ion t hat i t ' s no t true t ha t t he U. S . has never >> e l ect ed a b l ack president because Obama ' s electoral v ictory was cont enti = ous . >>
>>More broad ly , it ' s worth noti ng t hat NASCAR is mo st l y boring if one does= n't >> know anything about t he sport , but very engaging when v iewed with an >> unders tanding of what ' s going on . >> >> Unlike , say , soccer . >> >>On Thu , Jun 17 , 2010 at 3 : 04 PM , Amanda Marcotte >> <amanda . marco ... @gmail . com>wrote : >> >> >> >>>That ' s not q uite fair ---Toyota got in on a technica li ty , because they >> > manufacture in California . =AOThe ru le s sti ll stipu la te that the cars >> > have to be b uilt in t he U. S . =AOWhen Toyota j oined NASCAR , it was a >> > major controversy in t he racing wor l d . >> >>>On Thu , Jun 17 , 2010 at 2 : 59 PM , Alex Rossmille r >> > <alexrossmil ... @gmail . com> wrote : >> > > That hasn ' t been true for years . >> >>>>On Thu , Jun 17 , 2010 at 2 : 36PM, Rick Per l stein <per l st ... @aol . com> >> > wrote : >> >> > >> Another thing to remember about NASCAR is t ha t it REQUIRES driving an >> > >> American car . The sport has its own bui l t - in j ingoism . >> >>>>>On Jun 17 , 1 1 : 37 am, Ben Williams <bendwi lli ... @gmail . com> wrote : >> > >> > Isn ' t the "problem" also t hat its probabl y impossible to get a wo= rld >> > >> > class >> > >> > league going in America ? There are already 4 extremely popular an=
d
>> > >> > lucrative >> > >> > European leagues (England, Spain , Ita l y , Germany) that siphon mos= t of >> > >> > the >> > >> > world ' s top ta lent and pay said ta len t very we ll . There are less >> > >> > lucrative >> > >> > b ut also very popular South American leagues . All these leagues c= an be >> > >> > followed by t he recent immigrants who wou l d be one part of US soc= cer ' s >> > >> > fanbase . There are better options in other pro sports for both >> > American >> > >> > kids >> > >> > and athletes . So it ' s a bit of a c hicken and egg thing : The
curre= nt >> > >> > American >> > >> > league isn ' t close to being ab l e to pay enough top talent to come= over >> > >> > and >> > >> > creat e a t ruly competitive offering in t he g l oba l marketplace-- it= can >> > >> > only >> > >> > afford t he occasional oddity like Beckham--and t he top talent wan= t s to >> > >> > play >> > >> > agains t each o t her , a nyway . I t s un l ike l y t ha t t he US wi ll be able= to >> > >> > grow a >> > >> > great and popular league from scratch , which migh t lead to being = able >> > to >>>>>>att ract and pay more of t he wor l d ' s best ... And without a great >> > league , >> > >> > soccer in t he US can ' t attract fans beyond t he passionate minor it= y, >> > >> > because >> > >> > its not t hat fun t o watch , doesn ' t have t he star factor , etc . >> >> > >> > On Th u , Jun 17 , 2010 at 12 : 20 PM , Katha Po ll itt >> > >> > <kat ha . poll ... @gmai l . com>wrot e : >> >> > >> > > Oh . >> >>>>>>>On Th u , J un 17 , 2010 at 6 : 08PM , Jeffrey Toobin <whr ... @gmail . c= om> >> > >> > > wrote : >> >> > >> > >> Katha ' s point has been prett y c l ear l y refuted . =AOSoccer has b= een >> > very >> > >> > >> b ig >> > >> > >> with American kids for two decades . They don' t become fans .
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=AOAnd >> > the >> > >> > >> > >> > the= re >> > are >> > >> > >> > >> > part = is
>> bes t >> a thle t es t end t o migrat e t o basketba ll and football , where
>> b igger >> crowds a nd more chances for scho l arships -- a l though that
>> > >> > >> changing >> > >> > >> somewhat . >> >> > >> > >> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 at 11 : 48 AM , Adam Blickstein < >> > >> > >> adam . b lickst ... @gmai l . com> wrote : >> >> > >> > >>> I t hink part of t he problem in t he pas t with e nt renching socc= er in >> > >> > >>> t he >> > >> > >>> Amer ican sports l a ndscape ha s as much t o do with investment a= nd >> > >> > >>> infras tructure as a nything else . The r e a r e now 12 soccer spec= ific >> > >> > >>> s t adiums >> > >> > >>> b uilt within t he past 10 yea rs in t he MLS (wi th several more >> > >>>>>>planned) , >> > >> > >>> whereas with t he NASL I don ' t t hink t he r e were a ny--a t least = newly >> > >> > >>> cons t ructed stadiums . Now , bo t h t he league and loc al communi t = ies >> > >> > >>> have a >> > >> > >>> vested financial interest in t he success of soccer domes ti cal= ly , >> > not >> > >> > >>> to >> > >> > >>> mention a greater investment in soccer by ESPN over the pas t year >> > o r >> > >> > >>> two . >> > >> > >>> Will it ever be as popular and successfu l as the big 4 sport s=
>> > >> > >> > >> > permanent part >> > of >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> >> > >> > >> > >> > >>
>>> pro babl y not >>> except for hockey , but t hat doesn' t mean i ts now a >>> the >>> sport s l a ndscape , which is a r a t he r new r eali ty . >>> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 at 11 : 35 AM , da v i d dayen >>> <david . da ... @gmai l . com>wrote : >>>> I sn ' t t hat what t he M ajor Indoor Soccer League did? =AOGo >>>> Philade lphi a >>>> Fever ! >>>> (by t he way t hat didn ' t wo r k) >>>> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 at 8 : 32 AM , Ma tthew Yglesias >>>> <mygles ... @gmai l . com>wrote :
>> > >> > >>>>> Yeah , I bet if you played soccer 6 on 6 on a dramati call y >> > smaller >> > >> > >>>>> p it ch >> > >> > >>>>> it would be perceiv ed as mo re action - packed . Actu al soccer f ans >> >> > >> > >>>>> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 a t 11: 22 AM , Michael Cohen >> > >> > >>>>> <speech ... @mac . com>wrot e : >> >> > >> > >>>>>> Ugh , hockey does no t ha v e tons of fighting, especially d u r= i ng >> > t he >> > >> > >>>>>> p l ayoffs , which is definite l y the best time to watch t he s= port . >> > >> > >>>>>> Grant ed i t ' s >> > >> > >>>>>> an aggressive sport but the fighting meme really doesn ' t r= i ng >> > >> > >>>>>> t r u e as much >> > >> > >>>>>> any more . >> >> > >> > >>>>>> FW I W , one big difference between soccer and hockey is t hat >> > while >> > >> > >>>>>> bot h >> > >> > >>>>>> t end t o be somewhat low - scoring there is tons more action = in >> > >> > >>>>>> hockey ; more >> > >> > >>>>>> shot s on goal e t c . >> >> > >> > >>>>>> On J un 17 , 2010 , a t 11 :1 6 AM , Ezra Klein wrote : >> >> > >> > >>>>>> Al so , hockey has t ons of fighting . >> >> > >> > >>>>>> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 a t 11:11 AM , Amanda Marcotte < >> > >> > >>>>>> amanda . marco ... @gmail . com> wrote : >> >> > >> > >>>>>>> I don ' t buy t he scoring argument . Giv ing a tou chdown 6 po= i nt s >> > >>>>>>>>>>doesn ' t >> > >> > >>>>>>> mean t here were six separate scor1ng e v ents . =AOI t h i nk >> > Ameri cans >> > >> > >>>>>>> can be >> > >> > >>>>>>> arrogan t , but t hey aren ' t stupid ; they aren ' t going to be >> > f ool ed >> > >> > >>>>>>> i n t o >> > >> > >>>>>>> t hinking foo t ball has mo re scoring e v ents than it does . = =AO if >> > >> > >>>>>>> soccer was >> > >> > >>>>>>> scored like foo t ball , the Argentina/Korea game this morni =
ng >> > >> > >>>>>>> would have been >> > >> > >>>>>>> a 28 - 7 game . Or 24 - 6 , if you want to be suggest that a go= al >> > >> > >>>>>>> shouldn ' t count >> > >> > >>>>>>> as more t ha n a t ouchdown without t he ex tra point . >> >> > >> > >>>>>>> On Thu , J un 17 , 2010 at 1 0 : 59 AM , Danie l Davies < >> > >> > >>>>>>> daniel . dav ... @gmai l . com> wrote : >> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> it ' s simpler t ha n t hat . =AOneed to d istingu ish bet ween d= omestic >> > >> > >>>>>>>> leagues >> > >> > >>>>>>>> and t he int ernat ional game . =AOI forgi ve you for not not= icing >> > >> > >>>>>>>> t hat >> > >> > >>>>>>>> t here ' s a dis t inct ion because you ' r e used to " World Ser i= es " >> > >> > >>>>>>>> t hat >> > >>>>>>>>>>>don ' t >> > >> > >>>>>>>> have t he wor ld involved . >> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> domes t ic leagues ; i t ' s no t popu l ar in USA for the same r= eason >> > >> > >>>>>>>> as i t >> > >> > >>>>>>>> is n ' t popular in India or Ne w Zealand (thi s rather point = s out >> > >> > >>>>>>>> t he >> > >> > >>>>>>>> ridiculousness of a lo t of t h is yank- bashing , by the way= >> > are >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> exceptiona= list >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> money= and >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> d iffi = c ult >> > to >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> =AO it I s been >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> we going t o claim t hat Indians are a ll hoity and f or not liki ng soccer?) . =AOie , t he r e 1s a limi t ed pool of a ttent ion f or t he sport s market as a who le, and it ' s v . v . v . v
knock out t he big incumbent na tional sport . i nt ernat ional game : it ' s because you don' t wi n . noted a f ew t imes t hat Americans wi ll watch and c hee r for sports
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>> >> >> it >> >> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> effeminate > >> > >>>>>>>> as > >> > >>>>>>>> figure skating a nd as ac t ion - f r ee as breas t stroke if > looks > >> > >>>>>>>> like > >> > >>>>>>>> t hey ' re going to wi n . =AOsame as anyone else .
=AOProof I = am >> > r ight :

>> > >> > >>>>>>>> The >> > >> > >>>>>>>> Womens ' wor ld cup (which you do win) is much , much
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>> > >> > >>>>>>>> t he USA >> > >> > >>>>>>>> t ha n it is in Brazi l . >> >> > >> > >>>>>>>> Furthermore , t he two a r e corre la t e d - a l ot of the
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>> > >> > >>>>>>>> Zealand . >> > >> > >>>>>>>> Proof I am right - a nyone French who c laims tha t the y
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>> > >> > >>>>>>>> near l y >> > >> > >>>>>>>> all t heir stars play ove rseas . =AOL ' Equ i p e bears me >> > >> > >>>>>>>> spent >> > >> > >>>>>>>> much >> > >> > >>>>>>>> more column inches on t he Tour de France unt il i t
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hl=en US> , <mail to : journolis t+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - Type : t ext/pl ai n ; charset=windows -1 252 Content - Transfer - Encodi ng : quoted- printable So Art es t has a Jacko fixation , t hen , does he? Going back t o my high school days in t he 80s , Jacko a l ways made t he t huggish types melt . Never got it . On Fri , Jun 18 , 2010 at 8 : 14 AM, Sam Ste in <samstein@huffingtonpost . com> wr= ote : >also , fo r those not excited about artest ' s soon - t o - be - r eleased single , > " champions " -- which , he said, he produced la st June (why has i t t aken a >year to come out?! ?) -- here is his classic tr i bute t o Michael J a c kson > > h ttp : //www . youtube . com/watch?v=3D1g_ - aBQSUiw > > Best line (and probab l y a much discussed t op ic with his shrink) : " I know you > in heaven , I hope to see you next year . =94 > > > On Fri , Jun 18 , 2010 at 7 : 44 AM, Sam Stein <sams t ein@huffingtonpost . com> > wr ote : >> >> I t hink Chad Ochocinco offered t he mos t l ucid commentary on Artest ' s >> post - game inter view >> >> http : /!twitter . com/OGOchoCinco/statuses/ 16442 68 14 65 >> I s Ron Art es t promoti ng his a lbum in t he int e rview? And y ' all got the >> ner ve to call me crazy , #wow >> >> On Fri , Jun 18 , 2010 at 7 : 15 AM, Rick Pe r l stein <per l stein@aol . com> wr ot= e: >>> >>> Dude! ESPN used to have Aussie Rules foo tball on all t he t ime whe n I >>> was a little kid! I loved it! I miss i t ! >>> >>>On Jun 18 , 1 : 02=A0am, Michael B=E9rub=E9 <mxber ... @gmail . com> wrote : >>>>No , no , really , t hat game seven in t he '' NBA '' was ... very ... exci tin=
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>>> > =AO I >>> > DVR ' d t he second ha lf , a nd I tru l y en j oyed watching many many Los >>> > Angeles >>> > Lakers shoot t heir " free t hrows " from t he " f r ee t h r ow line " while t he >>> > Boston >>> > Celtics watched t hem a nd became impatient . =AOAnd a l so the many s topp= ages >>> > and >>> > s t rat egic timeouts a nd many commercia l s ! =AOit is good to know t hat y= our
>>> > bas ket ball game h as a mechanism for making e v e ryone sit down a n d t hin=
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>>> > abou t >>> > b uying cars whe n t hings are going t oo fas t o r t he b all cha nges >>> > p ossession >>> > too q uickly . >>> > >>> > >>> > >>>>OK , I know I can ' t convince a n yo ne on t hi s li st t ha t bball is wha t >>> > happens >>> > when ice hockey slows down a nd become s unbearabl y b o r i ng . =AOAnd I d o= n't >>> > want >>> > to get into the whole entire soccer d e b a t e, eit he r . =AOSo c a n we all >>> > finally >>> > agree t hat t he only sport wort h watching is Austra lian Rules >>> > Foot ball<http : //www . youtube . com/watch? v=3Dd- PFRrJQtew&feature= 3Drelat= ed> >>> > ? >>> > >>> > On Fri , Jun 18 , 2010 at 12 : 03 AM, Tom Phil p o tt >>> > <t p hil p ot ... @gmai l . com>wrote : >>> > >>> > > Ok , t hat sucked . I h ate t he l akers . But t he game' s b addes t bad b oy >>> > > jus t >>> > > outclassed Kobe on t he court a nd t hem t hanked hi s s h rink on nationa=
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>>> > > TV . >>> > > Tha t was good stuff . >>> > >>> > > Sent f r om my iPhone >>> > >>>>>On Jun 17 , 2010 , at 11 : 49 PM, Sam Stein <samst ... @huffingtonp ost . co= m> >>> > > wr ote : >>> > >>> > > never mind , he ' s in >>> > >>> > > On Thu , Jun 17 , 2010 at 11 : 49 PM, Sam Stein >>> > > <<sams t ... @huffingto npos t . com> >>> > > sams t ... @huffi ng to npos t . com> wrote : >>> > >>> > >> why isn ' t Doc putting in n ate robinson he r e fo r some 3s/steals? >>> > >>> > >> On Thu , Jun 17 , 2010 at 11 : 45 PM, Tom Philp o tt < >>> > >> <t p hil p ot .. . @gmai l . com> >>> > >> t philp ot ... @gmai l . com> wrote : >>> > >>> > >>>And the lakers play so under t hei r t alen t . >>> > >>> > >>> Sent f r om my iPhone >>> >
>>>>>>>On Jun 17 , 2010 , at 11 : 39 PM, Benjy Sar lin < <besar ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>> besar ... @gmail . com> wrote : >>> > >>> > >>> =AOAnd Celts are still mos t overachieving p la yoff team since 99 >>> > >>> Knicks . >>> > >>> > >>>> On 6/17/10 , Tom Philpott < >>> > >>>> <tphilpot ... @gmail . com>tphilpot ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>> wrote : >>> > >>> > >>>>> Even if t he lakers win--god forbid --t he Kobe>MJ nonsense is ove= r, >>> > >>>>> off >>> > >>>>> like an errant Kobe jumper . >>> > >>> > >>>>> Sent f rom my iPhone >>> > >>> > >>>>>On Jun 17 , 2010 , at 11 : 23 PM, david dayen < >>> > >>>>> <david . da ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>> david . da ... @gmail . com> wrote : >>> > >>> > >>>>> =AOWho replaced t hese two teams with t he Knicks and Roc ke ts f ro= m >>> > >>>>> 1994? >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thu , Ju n 17 , 2010 at 8 : 13 PM , Tom Philpott >>> > >>>>>> < <tphilpot ... @gmail . com>tphil pot ... @gmai l . com> wrote : >>> > >>>>>>Sweet! I ' ve ta lken to yelling brick as kobe sets up to shoot . >>> > >>>>>> Working quite well . >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my iPhone >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Jun 17 , 2010 , at 11 : 02 PM, Benjy Sar lin < >>> > >>>>>> <besar . .. @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> besar .. . @gmail . com> wrote : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Btw , Michael Jorda ns son is apparently ta lking smac k about >>> > >>>>>> Kobe- MJ >>> > >>>>>> comparisons on Twitter to night : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> RT @SASBMJ : NO ONE should EVER compar kobe Bryant to my dad an >>> > >>>>>> say >>> > >>>>>> that he is anywhere near close to my dad He ' s j agging this gam= e >>> > >>> > >>>>>>On 6/17/10 , Sam Stein < <samst ... @ h uffingtonpost . com> >>> > >>>>>> samst .. . @huffingtonpost . com> wrote : >>> > >>>>>> SCALEBRINE ! >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Thu , Ju n 17 , 2010 at 10 : 58 PM , Tom Phil pott >>> > >>>>>> < <tphilpot ... @gmail . com>tphil pot ... @gmai l . com>wrote : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Ray is cursed to nigh t .
>>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my i Phone >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Ju n 17 , 2010 , a t 10 : 52 PM, Ben j y Sar lin < >>> > >>>>>> <besar . .. @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> besar .. . @gmail . com> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Where ' s Wallace a t ? WHERE ' S WALLACE? >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On 6/ 1 7/10 , Matt Yglesias < >>> > >>>>>> <mygl es ... @gmail . com>mygles ... @gmai l . com> >>> > >>>>>> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Any game where Kobe plays t hi s badl y is a great game in my boo= k. >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my i Phone >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Ju n 17 , 2010 , a t 10 : 22 PM, Tom Philpott < >>> > >>>>>> <t philpot ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> t philpot ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> What a weird and t errible game so far , >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my i Phone >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Ju n 17 , 2010 , a t 10 : 07 PM, Matt Yglesias < >>> > >>>>>> <mygl es ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> mygl es . .. @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> And a ll t he Lakers offensiv e boards . The KG of yore wou ld nev e= r >>> > >>>>>> l e t >>> > >>>>>> t ha t happen . >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my i Phone >>> > >>> > >>>>>> On Ju n 17 , 2010 , a t 9 : 54 PM, Jesse Singa l < >>> > >>>>>> <jesse . sin ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> jesse . sin ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Bigges t s t ory so far is Allen mi ssing t h ree (fou r?) WI DE OPEN >>> > >>>>>> t hrees . Bad omen . >>> > >>> > >>>>>> Sent f rom my phone . >>> > >>>>>>>>>>On Ju n 17 , 2010 9 : 33 PM, " da v id dayen " < <dav id . da ... @gmail . co= m> >>> > >>>>>> david . da ... @gmail . com> >>> > >>>>>> wro t e : >>> > >>> > >>>>>> kobe l ooks t errible . 1 - 7 . >>> >
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References : <AANLkTi kM3pJ - 4ZenAflK07Qqj4D- M vTJx12H9 q0 iK9j @ mail . gmail . com> <AANLkTi nvnXSohTTAyM_ XXwwRWs tVYB1F4 j Gn5_ S1oqWk@mail . gmail . com> <Ob8c0 1cb11 6c$be5d0b20$3b172160$@net > <f01ee39d- 7399 - 4014 - a402 38 18588269dc@y11g2000yqm . googlegroups . com> User- Agent : G2/ 1 . 0 X- HTTP- UserAgent : Mozilla/5 . 0 (Windows ; U; Windows NT 5 . 1 ; en - US ; rv : 1 . 9 . 2 . 3) Gecko/20 100401 Firefox/3 . 6 . 3 ( . NET CLR 3 . 5 . 30729),gzip(gfe) Message- I D: <ea2ed2ac- Oca1 - 4ee2 - a5a4 90c1ec9390be@j4g2000yqh . googlegroups . com> Subject : [JournoList] Re : Ant i - semi t ism in t he media From : Andrew Gelman <andrew . e . gelman@gmail . com> To : Journolis t <journolis t@googlegroups . com> X- Original - Sender : andrew . e . gelman@gmail . com Reply- To : journolis t@googlegroups . com Precedence : list Mailing- list : list journolis t@googlegroups . com ; contact journolis t+owners@googlegroups . com Lis t - I D: <journolis t . googlegroups . com> Lis t - Post : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist/post?hl=en_ US> , <mail to : journolis t @googlegroups . com> Lis t - H elp : <http : //groups . google . com/support/?hl=en_US>, <mail to : journolis t+help@googlegroups . com> Lis t - Archive : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist?hl=en_ US> Sender : journolis t @googlegroups . com Lis t - Uns ubscri be : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist/subscribe? hl=en US> , <mail to : journolis t+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - Type : t ext/plain ; charset =IS0- 8859 - 1 Content - Trans f er- Encoding : quot ed- printable P . S . This list is jus t t oo ent erta ining, enough t ha t it's a d istraction f rom work . I ' ll have t o s t op looking at it for a couple months . If anyone want s t o reach me , j ust email me direct ly . On 21 j uin , 20 : 42 , Andrew Gelman <andrew . e . gel ... @gmail . com> wrote : > '' De ft '' -- t hat ' s a compliment , right ? =AOSort of like being called > '' wickedly great . '' =AOWhat ' s t he problem? > > On 21 j uin , 20 : 08 , "Michael O' Hare " <dile ... @comcas t . ne t> wrote : > > > No de f ense of Peretz int ended here , but I con j ecture t ha t the phrase ha= s > > s ubconscious root s in t he reali t y t ha t circumlocution and speech for co= ntext > > rat her t han cont ent va lue is a cul t ural convention widely adopted in t h= e > >Middle Eas t . Peop le who don ' t understand t he cultural components of > > d iscourse easily misunders tand t hose of others as indicating charact er = fl aws > > (Italians t hinking Brits are cold a nd unfriendly because they converse f rom > > what seems insulti ngly far away (and conversely) . =AOin many places
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is rude > > to ask a d irect ques t ion or a nswer a question nega tive ly , =AOand one ha= s to > > know t his to unders tand what ' s really being said and meant . =AO Mexican= s are > > not sloppy or f eckless about t ime because an inv itation to dinner fo r 8 > > means 10 ; t hey have perfect l y serviceable linguis tic/cu l tural conventio= ns , > > and tha t invitation does not mean 6 or midnigh t or tomo rrow l unch . =AO J = apanese > > are not d isrespectfu l because t heir indicator of extreme social unease = is a > > giggle . e t c e t c . And Arabs are not lia rs because t hey regard the fi rs t t = wo of > > three assertions as serving cont ext ual ends and only t he third as being= a > > cont ent commi tment . =AOEt c e t c . > > > Edward T . H a ll wrote a couple of wonderfu l books about this , probabl y > > s urpassed with more current research but no t refuted or disproved (The >>Si l ent Language/ The Hidden Dimension) ; I wonder sometimes if a passpor=
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> > should be issuab le without passing a short qu1z based on them . > > > From : journoli s t@googlegroups . com [mai lto : journoli s t @googlegroups . com] On > > Behalf Of Linda Perls t ein > > Sent : Monday , June 21 , 2010 8 : 24 AM > > To : journoli s t @googlegroups . com > > Subject : Re : [JournoLis t ] Ant i - semi t ism in t he media > > > H e said Arabs are deft at disguising rea li ty , no t Jews . Either way .... w= ow . > >>On Mon , Jun 21 , 2010 at 11 : 07 AM, Matthew Yglesias <mygles ... @gmail . com= > > > wrote : > > > I can ' t belie ve t he edi to r of a n influential American po li tical magazin= e > > reall y wrote tha t t he collapse of t he global financial bubble was d ue t = o the >> f act tha t " J ews are deft at disguising rea li ty ": h ttp : //bit . l y/d7AXMK >
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<mail to : journolis t+help@googlegroups . com> Lis t - Archive : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ou r nolist ?hl=en_ US> Sender : journolis t @googlegroups . com Lis t - Unsubscribe : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ou r nolis t/subscribe ? hl=en US> , <mail to : journolis t+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - Type : multip art/a l ternative ; boundary= 0050450158a28aeda70489b07f8a -- 0050450158a28aeda70489b07f8a Content - Type : t ext/pl ai n; charset=IS0- 8859 - 1 But tha t ' s q uite t he point : A home is like stock . You can sell i t . You may not want to . You may not want to rent , or you ma y want i t t o cont i nue to appreciat e , o r you may feel emotionally t ied t o i t . But t ha t doesn ' t make it an asset tha t you can ' t sell . If I have 2 . 5 million and have dec ided to p ut most of it into fine art a nd a bit into an ap a rtmen t , I 'm no t less rich t han if I have 2 . 5 million stocked away in my home . And t ha t wou ld become real clear if I ever needed to tap t hat money , o r I decide d t o r e t ire to Florida . The i dea t hat peop le with net worth above $2 million a r en' t rich because they don ' t want to sell t heir assets is strange -- and t ha t ' s e ve n more so because , as you note , you can borrow aga ins t t he value of a home , so i t both increases your wor t h a nd your access to capita l . Home s a r e emot ional to us , b ut they ' re also an asset , li ke a ny other , and t hey need t o be a ccounted fo r t hat way as long as t hey can still be bought and so l d . On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 12 : 12 AM, Ben Adle r <benadle r 1@gmail . com> wrote : > b ut ezra , t here ' s two huge probs with your t hough t exp e r iment : > 1 ) holding on to apple stock is not t he same as hold ing on to your home . you > have to live somewhere . if you sell your home you have t o deal wi th the > hassle of find ing a new place to live and mov ing . if youve lived i n a house > fo r 30 years , tha t s a psychological as we ll as logistica l hurdle . so a lot > of peop le who might be cash poor a nd house r ich a r en t j ust going to p ick up > and sell t heir house as easily as t hey wou l d a gift of stock . > > 2 ) if your house appreciated $2 mil in value t ha t ' s com p le t el y d ifferent > than if you are given $2 mil worth of anything because i t means , pres umab ly , > tha t all t he other houses around you apprecia t e d as much too . so , since you > need to move somewhere if you sell your home and you want to or need to s t ay > in t he same area , you wont make a ny profit .
> > t his is t he point t hat i t hink t he non - new yorkers he re are missing : if > e veryone in ny has a more valuable home it doesnt mean they are all richer > t han people e verywhere else . > > maybe you have t o deal wi t h t he preposterous cost of liv ing here to fu lly > appreciat e i t , b ut i dont t hink i t s j ust an a version to admitting that we > journalis t s liv ing in ny are rich . of course we are, re lative to , say , > wai t resses in ny or anyone in cambodia . but are we richer than journalis t s > in , say , Texas? I ' d argue no . J us t because we might make more to cover t he > higher cos t o f liv ing , or own homes worth mo re , doesnt mean we ' re better o ff > i f we dont have any great er purchasing power . > > i t seems t o me t hat everyt hing from s t udies of wea l th , or the a tt i tudes o f > t he weal t hy , t o f ederal social policies shou l d take cost of living int o > account , and i t s t rikes me as odd t o see lef ty wonks arguing o t herwise . > > > >On Tue , Jun 22 , 2010 a t 11 : 29 PM , s t even te le s <steveteles@gmail . com> wrot e : > >> America , fu ck yeah ! >> >>On Jun 22 , 20 10 , a t 11 : 16 PM , Matt Yg le sias wrote : >> >> I ' m wi t h H enry . There are t hings t o admire about Germany , bu t I t hink >>> l ooking a t Germany seriously should also teach Ame rican liberals t hat >>> t here ' s a l o t t o admire about t he Unites States of Ame rica . >>> >>> Sent f rom my iPhone >>> >>> On Jun 22 , 2010 , a t 10 : 54 PM , Henry Farrell <henry . f arrell @gmai l . com> >>> wrot e : >>> >>> I t hink t his is only half right t hough . The German vocational t raining >>>> sys t em used t o work gangbus t ers up through the la te 1980s , bu t is >>>> hav ing big di ff icul t ies adapt ing t o a serv1ce based economy . It s t i ll >>>> prov ides digni t y t o t hose who can get work as an apprentice , say , in a >>>> Mi tte l s t and bespoke engineering company somewhere in Wuerttemberg , b ut >>>> is a poor f i t wi t h all sort s of ot her j obs . And whi le Germany still >>>> has a s t rong export orient ed indus t ria l sector in com parison to o t her
>>>>count r ies , it is n ' t a nd can ' t be t he ma j o r dr i v e r of employme nt . I ' ve >>>>had my o rder in for t he Geoghega n book fo r a b i t , but I ' m frankly a >>>> b it ne r vous about it . American left ies some t imes hav e a t e n de ncy to >>>> over i dealize t he European experience , and i t is much messier tha n it >>>> sometimes comes across as being . A lo t of Ge r man work i nst i tut ions are >>>> based around t he idea e . g . t h at married women wi ll naturall y stay at >>>> home . I hope t hat Geoghega n is a li tt le le ss starry eyed tha n some >>>> abou t t his (t he blurb is a bit undi men siona l - but b l urbs usuall y >>>> are ) . >>>> >>>>Now back to your regularly scheduled progr amming on t he rich ... >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue , Jun 22 , 2010 at 7 : 05 PM, Rick Pe r l stein <per l stein@aol . com> >>>> wr ote : >>>> >>>>> He wr ites about t h at eloquently : basica ll y , t ha t t he >>>>> institutionalization of vocation a l e duca t ion pro v i d es a route to >>>>> middle- class digni ty for t he non- cognitive - elit e unheard of i n the >>>>> u. s . >>>>> >>>>> On Jun 22 , 6 : 03 pm, Kat h a Po lli tt <katha . p oll ... @gmail. com> wrote : >>>>> >>>>>> Well , Ger many is more complicated t han t ha t . i t is a ctuall y a >>>>>> surprisingly >>>>>> r igid societ y , both for class a nd gender . Educa t ion, for ex , is less >>>>>> of a >>>>>> mode of class mobili ty t h a n in ma ny o t he r p laces . you are slotted into >>>>>> your >>>>>>educational t rack at nine or te n , and i t ' s v e ry ha rd to get out of it . >>>>>> thi s >>>>>> is t he sys t em, btw , t h at conservatives t ou t as pro v i d i ng >>>>>> ' apprenti ceships " >>>>>> into skilled trades for non- academica ll y inclined kids . >>>>>> Ger mans find it h ard to accept studies t hat show how li tt le c lass >>>>>> mob ility >>>>>> t here is . >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 12 : 5 3 AM, Rick Pe r l stein <perlst ... @aol . com> >>>>>> wr ote : >>>>>> >>>>>>> Geoghegan ' s new book, coming out t his summe r , " Were You Born on the >>>>>>> W r ong Continen t ? How t he European Mod el Can He l p You Ge t A Life ," is >>>>>>> bas ically about ho w t his argumen t is inconceiv a b le i n a place like >>>>>>> Ger many , where top- notc h education , includ ing co llege educa t ion , is >>>>>>> f ree , as are mos t of t he a meni ti es p eop le a r e b ickering over i n
t his >>>>>>> t hread . And t h at , because of such socia l pro v 1s1ons, i n t erms of >>>>>>> t hese >>>>>>> argument s , just about a ll middle c la ss folk in social democra t i c >>>>>>> Eur o pean countries are " rich "-- a n d t ha t , b ecause of affl u e nt >>>>>>>American ' s fear of falling t h at Haro l d so p oignan t l y refers to above , >>>>>>> and t he barel y concealed resentments i t encod es, fe w Americans feel >>>>>>>much r ich a t a ll . W hich is precise l y why t he Ame r ican model fails . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The generati on pro j ect of fixing t his must b e t he v ery i deological >>>>>>> grounding for American libera lism, if you ask me . >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 22 , 5 : 40 pm, Ben Adler <benadl ... @gmail . com> wrote : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> michael , >>>>>>>> im very muc h in agreement with you and ha v e actuall y been wanting to >>>>>>>> d o >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> s to ry on t his phenomenon . needless t o say , as someo n e wi th more >>>>>>>> smart s >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> t han >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> d ollars i t hink t his is a bad deve lop men t . also, i d like to d isab use >>>>>>>> ppl >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> of >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> t his i dea t h at livi ng in , say , ny is a l uxury and so the cost of >>>>>>>> living >>>>>>>> merely re flects a choice to buy a l uxury good . is there a n element >>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> tha t >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fo r many fo lks? yes , but if you work in an industry tha t is >>>>>>>> concent ra t ed >>>>>>>> here you have to live at least in t his v e ry exp ensiv e region if not >>>>>>>> t he >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> ci t y >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> itself . and if your a city employee , like my mo t he r , you are >>>>>>>> requi red by >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> law >>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> t o live in t he city . >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue , Jun 22 , 2010 a t 6 : 36 PM, Michael O ' Hare <di le ... @comcas t . ne t >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> wro t e : >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> (earlier schmoose abou t being ric h in NY) It ' s struc k me that New >>>>>>>>> York >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> has >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> seen a big change in t he las t few decades t ha t ' s li ttle remarked on . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> When >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>>> was a kid, i t was possible t o ha ve a good life living in Manhattan >>>>>>>>> i f >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> yo u >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> were rich or if you were smart . My parents were in the latter >>>>>>>>> cat egory : >>>>>>>>> t hey >>>>>>>>>bought a browns t one on eas t 30th St . for v ery li ttle in 1946 , >>>>>>>>> renov a t ed >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> i t >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> int o t wo apar t ment s on t he garden and par lo r floors and two f loors >>>>>>>>> f or >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> u s , >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> pl u s a workshop s t udio as a questionabl y lega l fifth floor that Dad >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> b u il t >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> carrying bricks and mat erials up t he stairs by hand . At one point a >>>>>>>>> b u ilding inspect or came around for a bribe , and Dad did the mos t >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> amazing >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> idiot ac t " ano t her fee? Sure , whom do I make t he c hec k o u t t o? " and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> t hey >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> gav e up and left him alone . They also had a summe r hou se in New >>>>>>>>> J ersey ,
>>>>>>>>> originally wi t h no elect rici t y or running water , bought for >>>>>>>>> pract ically >>>>>>>>> no t hing in t he middle of what was t hen very rura l Morris Cou n t y , >>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> similarly upgraded ourselves . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> My mo t her was a sculpt or wi t h a very spotty income teaching and >>>>>>>>> occasionally >>>>>>>>> selling a piece ; Dad never had a big or steady income b u t they sent >>>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> t o >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> priv a t e grade school and Harvard , and we had pretty mu ch what we >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> needed . >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That didn ' t include t ravel or going out to dinner or theatre mu ch >>>>>>>>> (but >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> New >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> York had a lot of free music , and nice c la y tennis courts you cou ld >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> play on >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> an ho u r a day for $5 per season) . We ne v er had a new car , b u t we had >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> t ools >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> and knowhow t ha t we could t urn into transportation . As with the >>>>>>>>> ho u ses . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>we had somet hing a lot like a ric h people ' s life style on a very >>>>>>>>> small >>>>>>>>> income . And a t summer camp I met rea ll y ric h kids from Dalton and >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Brearley , >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> so I e v en got t o go t o coming- out parties in hig h school . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> I don ' t t hink t he second opt ion (smart) works any mo re , at least no t >>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>> Manhattan , a t leas t no t wi t hin t he law. Thi s is too bad , and no t
>>>>>>>>> good >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> t he ci t y . Other views ? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message---->>>>>>>>> From : journolist@googlegroups . com [mail to : >>>>>>>>> journolis t@googlegroups . com] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Behalf Of Hi l ary Bok (hilzoy) >>>>>>>>> Sent : Tuesday , J une 22 , 2010 3 : 18 PM >>>>>>>>> To : Journo lis t >>>>>>>>> Subject : [JournoList] Re : rich p eop le >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> Meh . I probably fall somewhere on t he low end of t he zone in which >>>>>>>>> you ' re wel l above t he median income for t he US , but are not what >>>>>>>>> some >>>>>>>>>people t hink of as " rich ". I can pre tty much do what I want , b ut >>>>>>>>> tha t ' s large l y because I h ave no d e p end en ts and pretty modest >>>>>>>>> t as t es . >>>>>>>>> ( I . e . , I can buy a n y car I wan t , but t hat ' s b ecause a Prius *is* >>>>>>>>> t he >>>>>>>>> car I want . I wou ldn ' t be ab le to if t he r e were any chance tha t I >>>>>>>>>might want a Testarossa . ) I was pre tty clearly brought up r ich , >>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>> to t he fo r tu ne my great- grandfather mad e and my great - unc le >>>>>>>>> promptl y >>>>>>>>> lost , of which t here are still a few dribs and drabs l y i ng abou t , >>>>>>>>> b ut >>>>>>>>> t he part s t h at are mine are relatively small , and utterl y >>>>>>>>> inconsequen tia l pocket change compared to what some of my older >>>>>>>>> relatives , who were arou nd before t he family business went b ust , >>>>>>>>> think >>>>>>>>> of as no r ma l . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> That said : >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>> *Of course* I ' m rich . I take it for granted t ha t any temptat ion to >>>>>>>>> think otherwise is just silly , and an insult to p eople who are >>>>>>>>> t rying >>>>>>>>> to raise kids on t he median income . And it seems to me that t he >>>>>>>>> least
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The origins of t he Pope nickname , as exp lained by Marc, are really prett y horri f ying . Does i t s t rike anyone else as problema tic that the a ffect ionat e nickname f or t he J SOC commander is a j oke about how awesome it is to re fu se t o obey t he law? On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 4 : 14 PM , Marc <marc . ambinder@gmail . com> wrote : > The Pope is a nickname t hat SOF and t heir admirers bestow on the commande= r, > J SOC because J anet Reno once complained that trying to get information o u=
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> o f J SOC uni t s was impossible . They were the Vatican, she grumbled . Fuck > yeah was t he response t o t hat grumble . Hence the name . > > People who served under mcChrys t al when he was CJSOC sti ll call him t he > Pope . The c urrent Pope by right s is Admira l W m McRaven, a former DevGru > (SEAL Team Six ) commander . But he ' s j ust a weeny Na v y guy . So tease t he A= rmy > g uys . > > One o f t he reasons t he name s t uck was because JSOC was un leashed by t he > Bush admin . McChrys t al knows where t he bodies are buried . I do not mean t = his > met aphoricall y . H e li t erally knows . He knows because he buried them . > > > On Jun 23 , 2010 , a t 3 : 28 PM , yeselson <ryese l son@gmail . com> wrote : > > Huh -- Popes can ' t get fired . >> >> On Jun 23 , 3 : 1 2 pm, Spencer Ackerman <spenceracker ... @gmail . com> >> wrot e : >> >>> The Pope is McChrys t al ' s nickname . That ' s the reason for Marc ' s s ubject >>> header . >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 3 : 10 PM , MSPubRadSM <sasco1 ... @gmail . com> wrot e= >>> >>>> That would g ive me t he vapors t oo . As if ! >>>> >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 12 : 07 PM , Michael Toma sky <mtoma ... @gmail . com >>>> >wrot e : >>>>
>>> >>> I t hink his account ant t old him his net worth was only $1 . 9 million . >>>>> >>>> , MSPubRadSM <sasco 1 ... @gmail . com> >>> On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 3 : 05 PM >>>>> wrot e : >>>>> >>>> >>> So what happened t he ot her day t o cause Petraeus to faint? Are we >>>>>> worried about his heal t h? >>>>>> >>>>> >>> On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 12 : 04 PM , Michael Toma sky <mtoma ... @gmail . com >>>>>> >wrot e : >>>>>> >>>>> >>> Pet raeus is t he one who was being groomed in certain quarters for ' 1 2= >>>>>>> That ' s probably out now . So i t ' s a pretty s ha rp p la y on that level , >>>>>>> t oo . >>>>>>> Very s t rong move all t he way around . >>>>>>> >>>>>> , yese l son <ryese l ... @gmail . com> >>> On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 3 : 01 PM wrot e : >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Exact ly . The Cardinal was fired , and t he Pope was hi red . >>>>>>>> Subs t ant i vely re : t he war , t hings are sti ll a me ss , bu t the onl y g= uy >>>>>>>> who could be a plausible replacemen t for SM got t he gig . >>>>>>>> Poli t ically->>>>>>>> absol utely brilliant . Having your cake --asserting civilian cont ro=
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Content - Type : text/html; charset=IS0- 8859 - 1 Content - Transfer- Encodi ng : quoted- printable The origins of the Pope nickname , as exp l ained by Marc , are really pretty h= o rrifying . Does it strike anyone else as problematic t hat t he affectionate nickname fo r the JSOC commander is a joke about how awesome it is to refuse= to obey the law? <div class=3D "gmail_quote " >On Wed, Jun 23 , 20 10 at 4 : 14 PM, Marc &lt ; <a href=3D"mailto : marc . ambinde r@gmai l . com"> marc . ambinder@gm= ail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote c l ass=3D '' gmai l _ quote '' style=3D= "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; border - left : lpx #ccc so lid ; padding- le ft : l ex ;" > The Pope is a nickname t hat SOF and t heir admirers bes tow on the commander , = JSOC because Janet Reno once complained t hat trying to get informat ion out= of JSOC units was impossib le . They were t he Vatican, s he =AOgrumbled . Fuck= yeah was the response to t hat grumble . Hence t he name . People who served under mcChrystal when he was CJSOC sti ll call him the Pop= m =AOMcRaven , a former DevGru e . The current Pope by rights is Admiral W (SE= AL Team Six ) commander . But he's just a weeny Navy guy . So tease the Ar= my guys . One of the reasons t he name stuck was because JSOC was un leashed by the Bus= h admin . McChrystal knows where t he bodies are burie d . I do not mean this m= etaphorically . He litera lly knows . He knows because he buried them . <div> <div></div><div class=3D" h5 " > On Jun 23 , 2010 , at 3 : 28 PM, yeselson &lt ; <a h ref= 3D '' mailto : ryeselson@gmail= . com" target=3D "_b lank" >ryeselson@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > Huh-- Popes can&#39 ; t get fired . On Jun 23 , 3 : 12 pm, Spencer Ackerman &lt ; <a h ref= 3D '' mailto : spenceracker ... @= gmail . com" target=3D "_blank" >spenceracker ... @gmai l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > The Pope is McChrystal&#39 ; s nickname . That&#39 ; s t he r eason for Marc&# 39 ; s=
subject header . On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 3 : 10 PM , M SPubRadSM &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : sasco1 ... = @gmail . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >sasco1 ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > That would give me t he vapors too . As if ! </blockquot e> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 12 : 07 PM , Michae l Toma sky &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D "mailto : mto= rna ... @gmail . com" t arget=3D" _blank" >mtoma ... @gmai l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : </blockquot e> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmail_ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so lid ; p a dding- lef t : 1ex "> I think his account ant to ld him his net worth was only $1 . 9 million . </blockquot e></blockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quot e " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so lid ; pa dding- lef t : 1ex "> On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 3 : 05 PM , M SPubRadSM &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : sasco1 ... = @gmail . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >sasco1 ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : </blockquot e></blockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quot e " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so lid ; pa dding- lef t : 1ex "> <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " s ty le=3D"margi n : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r - lef t : 1px #ccc solid; = padding- left : 1ex'' > So what happened t he ot her day to cause Pe traeus t o fain t ? =AOAre we worried about his heal t h? </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmail_ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder - left : 1px #ccc so lid ; pa dding- lef t : 1ex "> <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " s ty le=3D"margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r - lef t : 1px #ccc solid; =
padding- left : 1ex'' > =AOOn Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 12 : 04 PM, Michae l Tomasky &l t ; <a href= 3D "mailto= : mtoma ... @gmail . com" target=3D" _ blank" >mtoma ... @gmai l. com</ a>&gt ; wrote : </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c l ass=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so l id ; padding- le ft : 1ex "> <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " style=3D"margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borde r - le ft : 1px #ccc solid; = padding- left : 1ex'' > <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > =AOPet raeus is t he o ne who was being groomed in certain quarters for &# 39 ; 1= 2 . That &#39 ; s probably out now . So it&#39 ; s a pre tty sharp p l ay on that level , = too . Very s t r ong move all t he way around . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c l ass=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so lid ; padding- le ft : 1ex "> <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " style=3D"margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; border - le ft : 1px #ccc solid; = padding- left : 1ex'' > <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" > On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 at 3 : 01 PM, yeselson &l t ; <a href= 3D '' mailto : ryesel ... @g= mail . com" t arget =3D " _blank" >ryesel ... @gmai l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c l ass=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so lid ; padding- lef t : 1ex "> <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " style=3D"margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; border - left : 1px #ccc solid; = padding- left : 1ex'' > <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : 1p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : 1ex" ><blockquote c l ass=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : 1px #ccc so l id ; padding- lef t : 1ex ">
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-- 0016e65b625813c9950489bc50b6 Content - Type : t ext/pl ai n; charset=IS0- 8859 - 1 Happy to see t his t hread as it ' s something I' ve been t hinking about , too . Would you consider me out of line if I decided t o do a s how on this top ic on KCRW next Tuesday? I like t he discussion t h r ead , wou l d no t use comme nts made on t he list , jus t would like to explore t he i deas t ha t a r e coming out here , and to t alk to some of t he folks mentioned . happy t o promo t e and link to Jeet ' s p iece and any other leads mentioned he r e on ou r website . Pls . le t me know so I ' m not committing a no- no . On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 5 : 31 PM , J ohn Sides <john . michael . sides@gmail . com>wrote : > You should also t alk to Tas ha Philpot a t t he Unive rs i ty of Texas , who > has wri tten t his relevant book : > > > h ttp : //www . amazon . com/Republicans - Return - Linco ln - Poli t ics Ethnicity/dp/047206967 5/ref=ntt_ at_ ep_dpt 1 > >On Jun 23 , 7 : 08pm, Rick Per ls tei n <per l st ... @ aol . com> wrote : > > Jeet , t alk to my friend Angela Dillard a t NYU: > > > > h ttp : //www . amazon . com/Guess - W hos - Coming- Dinner Mul ti cul tural/dp/08147 ... > > > > On Jun 23 , 5 : 19 pm, M ark Schmi tt <schmi tt . m... @gmail . com> wrot e : > > > > > I t hink part of t his goes we ll beyond affi r ma t i ve ac t ion -- a lot of > > > t hese candidat es are really good spokespeople fo r t he > > > Rep ub lican/libertarian wor ldview , because t he y have t hat self- made > > >person ' s belief t hat if t hey can make i t anyone can . People like Nikki >>>Haley are not pawns in someone else ' s game, t he y a r e absolutel y > > > pass ionate conservatives who ' s life expe r iences confirm their view , > > > giving t hem a tota ll y different way of t alking a bou t the world than , > > > say , t he grumbly J oe t he Plumber . Some of t he se folks are comple t e > nuts , > > > some -- e . g . Michael Steele -- are eleva t e d fo r no r easons other t han > > > symbolism, b ut others are going to be ve ry significant f igures i n > > > conservative poli tics because of t hei r own t alen ts and convictions , > > > which appeal t o whi te voters in part because t he y confirm their view of > > > the wor l d . > > > > > On 6/23/2010 5 : 26 PM , J effrey Toob in wrote : > > > > > > The appointment of Cl arence Thomas was going t o lead to a n
increase > in > > > >black support for Republicans . How ' s t ha t going? > > > > > > On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 5 : 1 9 PM , Larry M. Barte l s > > > > <bart ... @pri nceton . edu <mailto : ba rt ... @pr ince t on . e du>> wrote : > > > > > > From /We Almost M ade It/ , Republican a d man Malcolm MacDougall ' s very ent ertaining book on t he 1 976 presiden t ial c ampaign : > > > > > > > > > > '' We had given up on t he black vo t e e ven befo r e Mr . Butz ' s > remar ks . > > > > We ' d bought a few spots on b lack r a d io so t he media couldn ' t > > > > repo r t t hat we ' d given up . Lionel Ham pton singing ' Call Ford Mr . > > > > Sunshine .' The only black vote we got ou t of t ha t was Lionel > > > > Hamp ton ' s ." > > > > > > Larry > > > > > > -----Original Mess age----> > > > From : journolist@googlegroups . com > > > > <mail to : journolis t@goog legroups . com> > > > > [mail to : journolis t@goog legroups . com > > > > <mail to : journolis t@goog legroups . com>] On Beha lf Of D a v id > Greenberg Sent : Wednesday , June 23 , 20 1 0 5 : 11 PM > > > > > > > > To : Journolis t > > > > Subject : [JournoList] Re : Rise of Republican multiculturalism > > > > > > Jeet , > > > > > > Your f r iend Andy Lamey back in his TNR in t e r n da ys , if I recall > > > > > > correctly , had a piece on right - wing j ou r nalis t i c outlets , > opposed to > > > > > > affirmat ive action as a n editoria l line, t ha t none theless had > > > > > > affirmat ive action programs 1n p lace . It was a c ase of cul tural > and > > > > > > politica l divergence , with t he cu l tural pu ll being stronger .
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Paul Gigot a nd company at t he WSJ r ealized a t a c ert ain
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credibili ty , at least with certain aud iences . Now , I have a l ways found i t infu r ia t ing t he way tha t ass ume t hat blacks wi ll vote fo r b lacks , J ews will vote for women wi ll vote for women , etc .; t ha t ma y be true i n a
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si tua tion , but i t ' s simply no t t he case t ha t Alan Keyes is
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to win t he J ewish vote . Nonethele ss , t he r e 1s a bigger issue a t play . Relat ively t o le r an t , socia ll y liberal whi t e and independent s are t he audience in mind . An all - whi t e GOP
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going to s t rike a lot of t hese vo t e rs as behind the t imes i n multicultura l America . Phras es like "a bunch of whi t e guys " " s t raight whi t e ma les " are in t he lexicon . So if the GOP
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has *among independent or swing vo t e rs * as a bas t ion of looking self- sat isfied whi t e men . In other words , mul t icul t ura li s m (of a sort) ha s won
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> even > > > > > > if i t has not won as clear a victory po li tica ll y . > > > > > > J us t some t hought s . > > > > > > On J un 23 , 4 : 03pm, Sarah Posner <sarahposn ... @gmail . com > > > > <mail t o : sarahposn ... @gmail . com>> wrote : > > > > > > > From my vant age point , t here ha s been a very concerted > recrui t ment > > > > > > > effort by t he religious righ t . Tha t ' s been going on for a while > > > > > > > > people like Rod Parsley were seen as usefu l in 2004 because , > > > > while he > > > > > > > is whi t e , he has a big African - Ame rican following ; Dobson > > > > handpicked a > > > > > > > f ew people t hat he campaigned with 1n 200 4 for gay marriage > > > > bans ; and > > > > > > > t he Family Research Counci l ha s been incubating the Net work of > > > > > > > Poli t ically Act ive Chris t ians for severa l years now . NPAC is an > > > > > > > adj unct of Wellingt on Boone Ministries -- Boone is an > > > > Af rican- American > > > > > > > pas t or in Georgia probably best known for ca lling gay people > > > > " f aggot s " > > > > > > > and " sissies " a t t he Values Voters Summi t a few years ago . Out > of > > > > > > > t hose effort s t he Frederick Dougla ss Foundation was launched > > > > (and yes , > > > > > > > Frederick Douglass is probabl y spinning in hi s grave) to > promot e t he > > > > > > > candidacies of black, conservative Ch ristian Republicans . It s > chair , > > > > > > > who is also t he vice- chair of t he North Caro lina Republican > > > > Part y , is > > > > > > > a conv ict ed felon (domes t ic v iolence) . And t he Freedom
> > > > Federati on is a > > > > > > > loose coali t ion of many of t hese and other re ligious right > > > > groups t hat > > > > > > > is intent on reaching out to b lacks and Latinos . > > > > > > >On Jun 23 , 1 : 15pm, J eet Heer <j eeth ... @yahoo . ca > > > > <mail to : j eet h ... @yahoo . ca>> wrote : > > > > > > >>As some of you a lready know , I 'm working on an article for > The > > > > Globe > > > > > > > > and Mail about t he rise of Republican mul ticul turalism , i .e . , > > > > Nikki > > > > > > > > Haley , Tim Scott , a nd t he many other mino rity candidates t hat > t he > > > > > > > > Repub lica ns are fielding t his year . This article in Frumforum > > > > provides > > > > > > > > a handy lis t of t hese candidates , who are much more numerious > > > > t han I , > > > > > > > > for one , wou ld have > > > > expect ed : > h ttp : //www . frumforum . com/gop - minori t y- candidates - come - out - in- force > > > > > > > > I ' m doing some interviews on t he topic (including interviews > > > > with some > > > > > > > > list folks) but I t hough t t he issue migh t be worth a general > > > > > > > > d iscussion on t he lis t as a whole . > > > > > > > > Here are some ques t ions I have : > > > > > > > > 1) W hat ' s going on here? Is t his j ust tokenism? An a ttempt to > > > > prove > > > > > > > > t he party is not racis t ? Or is t his a genuine leap fo rward of > some > > > > > > > > kind t owards a more mul t i - racia l brand of Republicanism? How > > > > much of > > > > > > > > t his is coming from t he grassroots and how much of this is a
> > > > > > > > deliberate recruitment effort by t he party? > > > > > > > > 2) More t ha n a few of t hese mino rity candidates are coming > > > > from t he > > > > > > > > far - right , Tea Pa r ty wi ng of Republicanism . As the excellent > Ed > > > > > > > > Kilgore not ed in a not her t h read , Tim Scott had worked in the > > > > pas t as a > > > > > > > > campaign manager for Storm Thurmond . So it seems that the > > > > Repub licans > > > > > > > > are bot h moving t o t he right and becoming more m u l ti racial > a t t he > > > > > > > > same t ime . How do we explain t ha t? Is t he re a connection ?> > > > Hide q uoted t ext > > > > > > > - Show quot ed t ext > > > > > > > > > > > > You received t his message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > Groups " J ournolis t " group . > > > > > > To pos t t o t his group , send email to journolis t @googlegroups . com <mail to : j ournolis t@googlegroups . com> > > > > > > > > > > To uns ubscribe from t his group , send email to > > > > journolis t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com > > > > <mail to : j ournolis t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com> > > > > > > For more opt ions , visit t his group at > > > > h ttp : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist?hl=en > > > > > > And remember : All pos t ings are off - t he - record . > > > > > > > > > > You received t his message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > Groups " J ournolis t " group . > > > > To pos t t o t his group , send email to journolis t @googlegroups . com <mail to : j ournolis t@googlegroups . com> > > > > > > > > To uns ubscribe from t his group , send email to > > > > journolis t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com <mail to : j ournolis t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com> > > > > For more opt ions , visit t his group at > > > > > > > > h ttp : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist?hl=en
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jour nolist+owners@goog legroups . com List - I D: <jour nolist . googlegroups . com> List - Post : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno li st/post?hl=en_ US> , <mail to : jour nolist @ goog legroups . com> List - H elp : <http : //groups . google . com/support/?h l =en_US> , <mail to : jour nolist+he lp@goog legroups . com> List - Archive : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno li st?h l =en_ US> Sender : jour nolist @ goog legroups . com List - Uns ubscri be : <http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno l ist/subscribe? hl=en US> , <mail to : jour nolist+unsubscribe@goog legroups . com> Content - class : ur n : cont ent - classes : message Content - Type : multip art/a l t ernat ive ; boundary= '' ----_ =_NextPa r t_00 1_ 01CB13B5 . 9ED79FC7 '' Thi s is a multi - part mess age in M IME format . ------ = NextPart 001 01CB13B5 . 9ED79FC7 Content - Type : t ext/pl ai n ; charset =IS0- 8859 -1 Content - Transfer - Encoding : quot ed- printable Di fference in 2008 president ial vote between co llege graduates and others : = 5 . 7% . Whites only , 1 . 7% . =20 Di fference in 2008 president ial vote between above - a ve rage famil y i ncome an= d below- a verage f amily income : 18 . 2%. W hi t es on l y , 14.4%. =20 Larry =20 =20 Fr om : jour nolist @ goog legroups . com [mail t o : j ourno l ist@googlegroups . com] On B= ehal f Of Michael Tomasky Sent : Thursday , June 24 , 2010 11 : 35 AM To : jour nolist @ googlegroups . com Subject : Re : [Jour noLis t] Re : rich people =20 Well , I agree with Daniel onl y up to a point . I ta ke his point about the so= cial archi t ecture . But haven ' t we in t he fiel d of po li t ical analysis more o= r less agreed tha t , at least in t erms of ana l yzing elec tora l data , educatio= n levels correlat e better to class t ha n income does? Sure we have . When we = say Obama lost the whi t e worki ng class 58 - 40--which e ve ryone says --we ' re us= ing the exi t poll non - college educat ed numb e r .
On Thu , Jun 24 , 2010 at 11 : 26 AM, yese 1son <ryese l son@gmai l . com> wrote : Indeed Daniel , well said . Re : Nate ' s definition and along the same lines , but more concrete : I ' m tryi ng to r ememb e r who wrote tha t the definition of r ich was being ab le to take t h r ee days off f r om your job without t elling anybody why--a nd, on t he fou rth day, sti ll hav i ng tha t job . William Domhoff , maybe ? On Jun 24 , 4 : 07am, Daniel Davies <danie l . da v ... @gmail . com> wrote : > to be hones t I t hink t his is why it ' s prob a b l y a good i dea to t alk i n > t erms of objective criteria about income, wea l t h and i ts stability , > rat her t han having t he argument about who is and isn' t working c lass . > There aren ' t many truckers or miners in t he posit ion Rich describes , >but there are a hell of a lot of salespeople, broke rs ' c le rks a nd the > like wor king in my building who are a lso on o r a bou t =A360k sterling , > not much s t a tus and massive l y vu lnerab le t o la yoffs . There is a whole > social archi t ecture devoted to convincing t hem t ha t t hey' r e not >working class and don ' t have fundamenta l in t e r es ts in common wi th >miners and t r uck drivers , a nd it ' s a big p a rt of t he prob lem. > >On 23 June , 20 : 11 , yese lson <ryesel ... @gmail . com> wrote : > > > Thi s is jus t a ques tion of incommensurate definit ions . The a nalogue > > is in the long running debate-- something Larry has also participated >>in-- regarding t he definition of ''wor king c la ss .'' Those thi n k who have > > objective , numerica l idea of whose is r ich, i . e . $2 million is rich > > compared to every relevant cohort be low i t , wou l d , fo r consistencies >>sake , have to have a income driven definition of '' working c lass ,'' i .e . > > measur ing it by income a lone . Those who inse rt mea sures of cu l tural > > capi t al and cul t ural a nxiety wou ld, fo r consistencies sake , i nsert > > measurements of education a nd job description in t hei r defin i t ion of > > the wor king class . Thus , by t his understanding , a short haul truc k >>driver making a $100 , 000 per year-- t he r e a r e few in t his i ncome > > s t rat a , b ut , relative to t heir peers , no t man y-- is *no t * working class > > despite : a ) the shitty , exhausting j ob he has t ha t br ings him no > > s t a tus in any sociological sense ; b) his all but certain absence of >>any fou r year college education , , i . e . ma tr icula t ion, le t alone > > graduation ; c ) his legi timate fears t hat his 1ncome is c losel y tied > > to exogenous economic circumstances t ha t cou l d r esult in i ts vas t > > decline almos t overni te . We could add unionized coa l miners who , with >>overtime , sometimes can get up to $100 , 000 pe r year , t oo ? Are the y > > '' wor king class '' ? > > > You choose . > >>On Jun 23 , 1 : 34 pm, Katha Po lli tt <katha . p oll ... @gmail . com> wrote : > > > > When Sophie was li tt le , we wou ld hi r e a sitter and go to dinner a t a= local > > >place and the movies . Or out with f r iends . occasionall y the t heat re . = t he > > > i dea t hat hiring a babysitter isn ' t worth i t un le ss you have a
major f es t ive > > > evening is pretty silly . The important thing is j ust to spend time o u= t of > > > t he house not being a parent . > >>>On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 7 : 20 PM , Brad DeLong <brad . de l ... @gmail . com> wrot e : >>>>No . It ' s not nut s . I t ' s all driven by the babysitter . It ' s not wort =
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> > > > gett ing a babysi tter t o go out for Vietnamese food . And then i t ' s n= o t wort h > > > > s t aying local if you ' re going for the high - end restau rant . And t hen= i t ' s not > > > > wort h a mov ie if you are (a) hiring a babysitter , and so (b) going t o t he > > > > ci t y t o spend (c) a lot on food . > > > > > Aft er t he children grow large enough to no l onger need a babysi tter= , t hings > > > > reverse : o ur Fa t her ' s Day expedition was $50 -- $20 for pizzas , and $= 30 f or >>>> t hree t icket ' s t o "Wint er ' s Bone " ... > > > > > Yours , > > > > > Brad DeLong > >>>>On Wed, Jun 23 , 2010 a t 10 : 15 AM , steven te le s <stevete ... @gmai l . co= m>wrot e : > > > > >> Can I j us t say how nut s t hat is? My wife go out ALL THE TIME . We s= pent > > > >> $200 maybe t hree or four t imes in our ten years of marriage . Of co= urse , we > > > >> don ' t need a babysi tter ... > > > > > > > > > You received t his message because you are subscribed to the Googl e = Groups > > > > '' J o urnol is t '' group . > > > > To pos t t o t his group , send emai l to j ourno li st@googlegroups . com > > > > To uns ubscribe from t his group , send email to > > > > journol is t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com > > > > For more opt ions , visi t t his group at > > > >http : //groups . google . com/group/ j ourno li st?h l =3Den > > > > And remember : All pos t ings are off - the - record . >
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</style> >> > >> s u rreal >>> > >>> > >> On Th u , Ju n 24 , 2010 a t 8 : 37 AM , Danie l Dav ies < >>> daniel . dav ... @gmail . com> >>> > >> wro t e : >>> > >> > f or wha t i t ' s wor t h , her description of Gore's behaviou r sou nds t o >>> me >>> > >> > really like descrip t ions of Ambien - zombies . >>> > >>> > >> > On 24 Ju ne , 13 : 19 , Marc <marc . ambin ... @gmail . com> wrote : >>> > >> >> I ' m wi t h Ka t ha . And I was very skeptica l before I read t hro ugh >>> t he
>>> > >> >> repor t . >>> > >>> > >> >> On Ju n 24 , 2010 , a t 6 : 40 AM, Katha Po llitt < >>> ka t ha . poll ... @gmail . com> >>> > >> >> wrot e : >>> > >>> > >> >> > Sorry t o go on and on , but i am so disturbed . >>> > >> >> > Salon ' s wri t er says her story isn't credible becau se the >>> police >>> > >> >> > didn ' t charge , because t he Port land tribune said it didn ' t meet >>> > >> >> > u nspecified " t es t point s " of credibi lity , and becau se o t her >>> > >>>>>celebri t ies have been false l y accused . that ' s pretty lame , imo . >>> > >> >> > I hope everyone reads t he who le po lice statement . >>> > >>> > >> >>> h tt p : //www . salon . com/news/al_ gore/index . html? s t ory=/poli t ics/war_ room ... >>> > >>> > >>>>>On Th u , J un 24 , 2010 a t 11 : 54 AM , Katha Po llitt< >>> > >> ka t ha . poll . .. @gmail . com >>> > >> >> > > wrot e : >>> > >>>>>i f yo u google '' al gore rape port land ,'' up wi ll come a lot of >>> news >>> > >> >> > s t ories abou t t his from yesterday . Port land Tribu ne had t he >>> s t ory >>> > >> >> > ages ago , decided no t t o publi sh . >>> > >>> > >>>>>On Th u , J un 24 , 2010 a t 9 : 44 AM , Katha Po llitt < >>> > >> ka t ha . poll . .. @gmail . com >>> > >> >> > > wrot e : >>> > >> >> > I ' v e only read half of t his, it's v upsettting . I think she is >>> > >> >> > t o t a ll y credible . Even t hough in the abstract I believe mal e >>> > >> >> > pol i t icians are mos t ly bastards , entitled and narcissis t ic , >>> and we >>> > >> >> > all know rape , moles t a t ion , v iolence against women are >>> incredibly >>> > >> >> > common , AND we all know lots of men use prostitu tes and t hink >>> > >> >> > massage t herapis t s are basica ll y prostitutes , this shocked me . >>> I >>> > >> >> > wish I was a lesbian . >>> > >> >> > Al gore , t he sanct imonious rapist . I hate him . >>> > >>> > >> >> > On Th u , J un 24 , 2010 a t 5 : 55AM , Nate Si l v er < >>> > >> nsil ... @baseballprospect us . com >>> > >> >> > > wrot e : >>> > >> >> > One o f t he Port land TV s t ations posted the transcript of t he >>> police >>> > >> >> > repor t filed by t he woman who has accused Al Gore of " u nwant ed
>>> sexual >>> > >>>>>cont act ": >>> > >>> > >> >>> h tt p : //www . flasha lert newswire . net/images/ news/2010 06/3056/36280/Gore .. . >>> > >>> > >> >> > It ' s a lot of reading , but what do peopl e t hink? To me , she >>> seems >>> > >> >> > ra t her credible . And it ' s an accusation of rape , or somet hing >>> very >>> > >>>>>close to it , agai ns t a former Vice Presiden t . But it ' s also a >>> total >>> > >> >> > he- said, she- said, a nd one t ha t she does n' t particu larl y seem >>> > >> >> > interested in pursuing . Anyway , I t hink t his is a pretty b ig >>> deal , >>> > >> b ut >>> > >> >> > also a story t h at might be very difficu l t for the media to >>> cover , for >>> > >> >> > a number of reasons . Am surprised t ha t it hasn ' t generated more >>> > >> >> > d iscussion , here or elsewhere . >>> > >>> > >> >> > - Nat e >>> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > You received t his message because you are subscribed to the >>> Google >>> > >> >> > Groups " J ournolis t " group . >>> > >> >> > To pos t t o t his group , send emai l to >>> journolis t @googlegroups . com >>> > >> >> > To unsubscribe from t his group , send emai l to >>> > >> journolis t - unsubscribe@googlegroups . com >>> > >> >> > For more opt ions , visit t his group athttp : // >>> > >> groups . google . com/group/ j ournolist?h l =en >>> > >> >> > And remember : All pos t ings are off - t he - record . >>> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > Jus t out from Random House : >>> > >> >> > " The Mind- Body Problem : Poems " he re at >>> > >> >> >htt p : //bit . l y/10oP3C >>> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > Jus t out from Random House : >>> > >> >> > " The Mind- Body Problem : Poems " he re at >>> > >> >> >htt p : //bit . l y/10oP3C >>> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > Jus t out from Random House : >>> > >> >> > " The Mind- Body Problem : Poems " he re at >>> > >> >> >htt p : //bit . l y/10oP3C >>> > >>> > >> >> > >>> > >> >> > You received t his message because you are subscribed to
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On Fri , Jun 25 , 2010 at 5 : 21 PM , Ben Adler <benadle r l @gmai l. com> wrote : > needless to say , ive found t he lis t to be an invaluab le resource and will > be glad to join any future lis t . > > > On Fri , Jun 25 , 2010 at 5 : 19 PM , Michael Cohen <speechboy@mac . com> wrote : > >> BTW , I think the name for t he new Journolist shou l d be JTPlist as in >> Japanese Tentacle Porn . >> , Michael Cohen wrote : >> On Jun 25 , 2010 , at 5 : 18 PM >> >> Wow these q uotes Goldberg got from Post reporters shou l d be put in a tim= e >>capsule titled '' Old Media ' s Las t Gasps :'' >> >> '' This is not just sour grapes about t he sudden rise of these unt rained >> kids , though I have to t hink t hat some people in the bui lding resent the=
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>> fo r bypass ing the usual way people rise here . This is really about the >> serial stupidity of allowing t hese bloggers to trade on the name of the >>Washington Post . '' >> >> " It makes me crazy when I see t hese guys referred to as reporters . They ' = re >> anything b ut . And t hey hurt t he newspaper when they c laim to be reporter= s ." >> >> '' Ez ra Klein is a ta lented guy , but he's just an absolute partisan . If th= is >> is where journalism has to go , so be it, but I don ' t want to go there . " >> >> "The lack of toilet - trai ning is right . Everyone make s mi stakes , but you >> can mitigate the number of mis takes t hrough seasoning . Some people here = are >> still p ut through seasoning , but others aren't . It shows , and it ' s >>embarrassing . " >> >>On Jun 25 , 2010 , at 4 : 56 PM , Steve Clemon s wrote : >> >> Jim Fallows apparently spoke to Goldberg : >> >> >> http : //www . theatlantic . com/national/archive/20 10/06/second- thoughts on- d= ave-
>> weigel/ 58767/ >> >> >>On 6/2 5/10 3 : 34 PM, " David Robert s " <david . h . roberts@gmai l. com> wrot e : >> >> Forcing t he leaker t o send a persona l note to t he fou nder of a new >> >> list saying " I want t o be on t he l is t a nd I promise not to l eak " is not >> >> fool - proo f , b ut as I keep sayi ng , I t h i n k it ' s a l ot more potent than >> >> people gi ve it credi t for . >> >> >> On 6/2 5/2010 1 2 : 28 PM , Li ndsay Beyerstein wrote : >> >> We don ' t know who t he l eaker is . W hat ' s t he poin t of starting a new >> >> list if t he saboteur can fo ll ow us t o J - L 2 . 0? Not t hat I ' m opposed to >> >> s t arting a new list a nd purgi ng t he j - l ist arch i ves . If that ' s what we >> >> end up doing , count me i n . >> >> >> Lind say Beyerstei n >> >> f rege@mac . com >> 347 - 307 - 4974 >> >> >> >> >> >> On Jun 25 , 201 0 , at 3 : 21 PM , Steve Cl e mon s wrote : >> >> >> Lind say -- t hat is because t he sabot eur wan ts to l ie i n wait for anot her >> >> opportunity to t ake down someone . Actua ll y , if we kept going , this >> >> person >> >>who may have seria l habits , may expose h i mse l f or herse l f . >> >> >> A new list need s t o be s ta r t ed, a nd we probabl y ha ve to have periodic >> >> warnings t hat t here cou l d be breaches , so don' t post material that >> >> you can ' t >> >> de f end p ub licly . >>
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>> On 6/25/10 3 : 17 PM , '' Linds ay Beyerste in '' <frege@mac . com> wrote :

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>> It would be a mistake to kill t he lis t because of a leak . Each of us >> >> has a massive paper trai l spanning blogs , youTube , twi tter , IMs ,
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>> facebook , private email correspondence , li stervs ... The problem is >> >> t hat someone was out to get Dave , not j -l is t pe r se .
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>> For me , t he list was invaluable . It helpe d me daily . Sitting i n >> >> Oregon , t here are very few , if a ny , substitutes fo r t hi s . If the
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>> From : journolis t @googlegroups . com >> >> [mail to : journolist@googlegroups . com <j ou r nolis t@googlegr oups . com>] On >> Behalf Of Ez ra Klei n
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To : journolis t @goog l egroups . com Subject : [Jour noList] Journolis t out I began Jour nolist in February of 2007 . It was an i dea born from d isagreement . Weeks , or maybe months , ea r lie r , I had criticized Joe Klein over some comments he made about t he Iraq War . He e - mailed a long and searching reply , a nd t he subsequent back- and - fo rth was educational , I th ink, for us both . Ta king t he conversation out of t he p ub lic eye made it less defensive , le ss a bou t winning . It made my futu re wr iting on t he subject better . The experience crystallized a n idea I ' d been kicking a r ound for some time . I was on all sorts of e - mai l lis ts , but none t ha t qui t e got a t t he daily wor k of my j ob : Fo llowi ng po licy and p oli t ical tre nds i n both the expert community a nd t he media . But I always knew how much I was missing . There were only so many p hone ca ll s I cou ld make i n a day . There were o nl y so many times when I knew t he r igh t ques t ion to ask . By not t hinking of t he right person t o in t e rview, o r not asking t he r ight q uestion when I got t hem on t he p hone, o r no t i ntui t i ng t hat an economis t wou ld have a terrif ic insigh t on t he elec t ion , I was leaving insights on t he tab le . That was t he t heory behind J ournolist : An insulat e d space where the lure of a smart , ongoing conversation wou l d encou r age j ournalis ts , policy expert s , and assorted other observers t o s ha r e t hei r i ns ights with one another . The eventual irony of t he li st was t ha t i t c ame to be viewed as a secretive conspiracy when, in fac t , i t was alwa ys a f ractious and f reewheeling conversation meant t o op en t he reportersource relationship to a wider audience . At the beginning , I set two rules for t he memb e rship . The first was t he easy one : No one who worked for t he governmen t in any c apac i ty
>> could join . The second was t he hard one : The mem bersh ip would range >> >> f rom nonpartisan t o liberal , cent er t o l eft . I didn ' t l ike that >> >> r ule , b ut I t hought i t necessary : There wou l d be no free >> >> conversation in a forum where people had c l ear incentives to >> >> embarrass each other . A bipart isan list wou l d be a more formal >> >> debating societ y . Plus , as Liz Mair notes , t here were p l enty of >> >> conserva tive list servs , and I knew of mi l itary l ist serv s , and >> >> heal t h - care policy lis t servs , and feminist l ist serv s . Most of >> >> t hese project s limited membership t o faci l itate a particular sort of >> >>conversation . It didn ' t s t rike me as a big dea l to fo llow their >> >> example . >> >> >> But over the years , J ournolis t grew , and as it grew , its relative >> >> excl usivit y became more infamous , and its conversations became >> >>porous . The leaks never bot hered me , t hough . W hat I didn ' t expect >> >> was t hat someone a member of t he lis t , or someone given access by a >> >> member of t he list , would t rawl t hrough t he arch i ves to assemble a >> >>dossier on one part icular member and em barrass h i m. But that ' s what >> >> happened to Dave Weigel . >> >> >> In a col umn about Stanley McChrys ta l today , Dav id Brooks tal ks about >> >> the union of elect ronic t ext , unheralded transparency , 2 4 /7 media , >> >> and a c ulture t hat has not yet sett led on new ru l es for what is , and >> >> isn ' t , priva t e , and what is , and isn ' t , newsworth y . '' The exposu re >> >> e thos , with its relent less emphasis on destroying privacy and >> >> exposing impurities , has chased good peopl e from publ ic l ife , >> >> undermined p ublic fai t h in ins t i t ut ions and e l e vated t he trivial >> >>over the important ," he writes . >> >> >> There ' s a lot of faux - int imacy on t he web . Readers l ike that >> >> intimacy , or a t least some of t hem do . But it ' s dangerous . A >> >> newspaper col umn is public , and writers treat it as such . So too is
>> >> a blog . But Twi tt er? I t ' s public , but it feels, somehow, looser , >> >> safer . Facebook is less public t han Twitter , and feels even more >> >> int imat e . A privat e e - mail lis t is not public , but it is >> >> elect ronically archived t ext , and i t is protected only by a password >> >> f ield and t he goodwill of t he members . >> >> >> We ' ve not q ui t e decided on how t o handle this explosion of >> >> in f ormat ion about people we ' re int erested in . A newspaper reporter >> >> opposing t he Af ghanis t an war in a news story is doing some thing >> >> improper . A newspaper report er t elling his wife he opposes the war >> >> is being per f ect ly proper . If someone had been surreptitiou sly >> >> t aping t hat report er ' s conversat ions with his wife , there ' d be no >> >> doub t t hat was a violat ion of privacy , and the gathered remarks and >> >>observat ions were illegi t imat e . If a batch of that reporter ' s e >> >> mails were obt ained and forwarded along? People are le ss s u re what >> >> t o do about i t . >> >> >> It was ironic , in a way , t hat i t would be t he Dai l y Ca lle r that >> >> p ublished e - mails from J ournolis t . A few weeks ago, its editor , >> >> Tucker Carlson , asked if he could j oin t he li st . After asking all of >> >> you , I said no , t hat t he rules had worked so far to protect people , >> >>and t he members weren ' t comfort able c hanging t hem. He tried to >> >> change my mind, and I offered, ins t ead , to partner with Carlson to >> >> s t art a bipart isan lis t serv . That didn ' t interest him. >> >> >> I n any case , J o urnolis t is done now . I 'll de le te t he group shortly >> >> a ft er I send t his out . That ' s not because Journo li st was a bad idea , >> >> or anyone on i t did anyt hing wrong . It was a wonderfu l, chaotic , >> >>educat ional discussion . I ' m proud of hav ing started it, gratefu l to >> >> have part icipat ed in i t , and I have no doubt t ha t someone else will >> >> ref orm i t , wi t h many of t he same members, and keep it going . Bu t >>
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Ezra Klein The Washington Post/Newsweek Columnist 1150 15t h St . NW Washington , DC 20071 w: (202) 334 6744 C: (831 ) 566 5566 Site : h ttp : //www . was hingt onpos t . com/ezraklein / Twitter : h ttp : //www . tw i tter . com/ezraklein Wonkbook : h ttp : //www . was hingt ponpos t . com/wonkbook You received t his message because you are subscribed to t he Google Gr oups '' Jour nolist '' group . To post to thi s g r oup , send email t o j ourno l ist@googlegroups . com To uns ubscri be f r om t his group , send emai l to j ourno li st uns ubscri be@googlegroups . com For more op tions , vi si t t his group at h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/group/ j ournolist? hl=en And remember : All pos t ings are off- t he- record . -- 0050450158a28aeda70489b07f8a Content - Type : t ext/h t ml ; charset =IS0- 8859 - 1 Content - Transfer - Encoding : quot ed- printable But t hat &#39 ; s q uite t he point : A home is like stock . You can sell i t . You may not want to . You may not want t o rent , or you may want it to continue t = o appreciat e , o r you may feel emot ionally tie d to it . But t hat doesn&# 39 ; t make it an asset t hat you can&#39 ; t sell . If I ha ve 2 . 5 million and have de= cided to p ut most of i t int o fine art a nd a bit into an apartment , I&# 39 ; m =
not l ess rich t han if I have 2 . 5 million stocked away in my home . And t hat = would become real clear if I ever needed to tap t hat money , or I decided t o= ret ire t o Florida . The idea t hat people with net worth above $2 million ar= en&#39 ; t rich because t hey don&#39 ; t want to se ll t hei r assets is s t range - = - and t hat &#39 ; s e ven more so because , as you note, you can borrow agains t = t he val ue o f a home , so i t bot h increases your worth and your access to cap= i t al . H omes are emot ional t o us , but t hey&#39 ; re a l so an asset , like any ot = her , and t hey need t o be account ed for t hat way as l ong as they can s t ill b= e bought and sold . <div class=3D "gmail_quot e " >On Wed, J un 23 , 20 10 at 1 2 : 1 2 AM, Ben Adler = &l t ; <a href=3D"mail t o : benadle r l @gmai l . com">benadlerl @gmai= l . com</a>&gt ; wrot e : <blockquote c l ass=3D '' gmai l _ quote '' style= 3D "b= order- l e ft : l px sol id rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; paddin= g - l e ft : l ex ;" > b ut ezra , t here&#39 ; s t wo huge probs wi t h your t hough t experiment : 1 ) h= o l ding on t o appl e s t ock is not t he same as ho l ding onto your home . you hav= e t o l i ve somewhere . if you sell your home you ha ve to dea l with the hass l e= o f f inding a new p l ace t o live and moving . if youve l i ved in a hou se f or 3= 0 years , t hat s a psychological as well as l ogistica l hurdle . so a lot of pe= opl e who might be cash poor and house rich arent j ust going to pick up and = sell t heir house as easily as t hey would a gift of stock . 2 ) i f your house appreciat ed $2 mil in va l ue t hat&#39 ; s completely d iff= erent t han if you are given $2 mil wort h of anyth ing because it means , pres= umabl y , t hat a ll t he ot her houses around you appreciated as m uch too . so , s= i nce you need t o mov e somewhere if you se ll your home and you want to or ne= ed t o s t ay i n t he same area , you wont make any profit . t h i s i s t he poi nt t hat i t hink t he non - new yorkers he re are missing : if= e veryone i n ny has a more valuable home it doesnt mean t he y are all r i cher= t han peopl e e verywhere else . maybe you ha ve to dea l with the prepo= s t erous cos t o f livi ng here t o fully appreciate it , but i dont thin k its j u= s t an a vers i on t o admi tt ing t hat we j ourna l ists l i v ing in ny are rich . o f c=
ourse we are , relative to , say , waitresses in ny or anyone in b ut= are we richer than journa lis ts in , say , Texas? I&#39 ; d argue beca= use we might make more to cover t he highe r cost of l iving , or wor= th more , doesnt mean we&#39 ; re better off if we don t have any purch= asing power . 
cambodia . no . Just own homes greater
 i t seems to me t hat everything from studies of wea l t h, or the attitudes= of the wealthy , to federal social policies shou l d ta ke cost of living into= account , and it s t rikes me as odd to see l efty wonks arguing otherwise . <b= r> <div><div></div><div class=3D" h5 " > <div class=3D"gmail_quote " >On Tue , Jun 22 , 20 1 0 at 11 : 29 PM, st = even t eles &lt ; <a href= 3D "mailto : s t evet eles@gmail . com" ta= rget =3D " _b lank " >s t eveteles@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquot e c= lass=3D "gmail_quot e " style=3D"border- lef t : l p x so l id rgb(20 4 , 204 , 204) ; rna= rgin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex ;'' > America , fuck yeah!<div><div></div><div> On Jun 22 , 2010 , at 11 : 16 PM, Matt Yglesias wrote : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "border -left : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : l ex ;'' > I& #39 ; m with Henry . There are t hings to admire about Germany , but I think 1= ooking at Germany seriously should a ls o t each Ame rican l iberals that there&= #39 ; s a lot to admire about t he Uni tes States of Ame rica . Sent from my iPhone On Jun 22 , 2010 , at 10 : 54 PM, Henry Farrell &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : henry . far= rell@gmail . com" target=3D" _blank" >henry . farre ll@gmai l. com</a>&gt ; wrote : <br= > <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "borde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > I think thi s is only ha lf right t hough . The German vocational training sys t em used to work gangbusters up t hrough t he l ate 1 980s , but is having b ig d ifficulties adapti ng to a service base d economy . It sti ll provides d ignity to t hose who can get wor k as an apprentice , say , in a Mittelstand bespoke engineering company somewhe r e in Wue rttemberg , but 
is a poor fit with a ll sort s of ot her j obs . And while Ge r man y still has a s t r ong expo r t orient ed indus t rial sector in comp a r ison to other count r ies , it isn&#39 ; t a nd can&#39 ; t be t he ma j o r dr i ve r of employme nt . I &= #39 ; ve had my o rder in fo r t he Geoghega n book for a b i t , but I&#39 ; m fran kl y a b it ner vous about it . American left ies some t imes have a t ende ncy to over i dealize t he Europea n experience , a nd i t is much me ssier tha n i t sometimes comes across as being . A lot of Ge r man work ins t i tut ions are based around t he i dea e . g . t hat married women wi ll na turally stay a t home . I hope t hat Geoghega n is a li tt le le ss starry eyed t han some about t his (t he b lurb is a bi t undimensiona l - but b l urbs usuall y are ) . Now back to your regu l ar l y scheduled programming on t he r ich ... On Tue , Jun 22 , 20 10 at 7 : 05 PM , Rick Per l stein &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : perls= t ein@aol . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >perls t ein@ao l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r - lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' > He wr ites about tha t eloquent l y : basical l y , t ha t t he institutionalization of vocationa l education prov i des a r ou t e to middle- class d ignity for t he non - cogni t i ve - eli t e unhea rd of i n the U. S . On Jun 22 , 6 : 03pm, Katha Polli tt &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D ''mailt o : ka t ha . poll ... @gmail= . com" t arget =3D " _b lank" >kat ha . poll ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r - lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' > Well , Ger many is more complicat ed t ha n t ha t . =AOit is ac tuall y a s urprising= ly r igid societ y , both for class a nd gender . Educa t ion, fo r ex, is less of a<b= r> mode of class mob ility t ha n in many ot her p laces . you are s l otted i nto your= educational t rack a t nine or t en , a nd i t &#39 ; s ve ry ha rd t o get out of
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t his is t he sys t em, b tw , t hat conservat ives t ou t as prov i d ing &# 39 ; apprenti ceshi= ps&quot ; into skilled t rades for non- academica ll y inclined kids . Ger mans find it hard t o accept s t udies t ha t s how how li tt le c lass mob ility<= br> there is . 
On Wed , Jun 23 , 2010 at 12 : 53 AM, Rick Pe r l stein & l t ; <a h r ef= 3D "mailto : perl= s t ... @aol . com" t arget=3D"_blank" >perlst ... @ aol . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > e r e You Born on Geoghegan&#39 ; s new book, coming out t his summe r , &quot ; W t h= e W r ong Continent? How t he European Model Can He l p You Ge t A Life , &quot ; is<b= r> bas ically about how t his argument is inconceivable in a p lace like Ger many , where top - notch education , including co llege e duca t ion , is f ree , as are most of t he ameni ties people =AOare b icke r ing over i n this thread . And tha t , because of such social prov isions , in t e r ms of these argument s , jus t about a ll middle class fo lk in socia l democ r a t i c Eur opean count r ies are &quot ; rich&quot ;--and t ha t , because of afflue nt Amer ican&#39 ; s fea r of falling t hat Haro l d so p oignant l y r efers to above , <b= r> and t he barely concealed resentments it encodes , few Ame r icans feel much r ich a t all . Which is precisely why t he Ame r ican model fails . </blockquot e> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > The generation project of fixing t his must be t he ve ry i deologic al g r ound ing fo r Amer ican libera lism, if you ask me. </blockquot e> <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > On Jun 22 , 5 : 40 pm, Ben Adler &lt ; <a href= 3D "mail t o : benad l. .. @ gmail . com" t a= r get=3D "_b lank " >benadl ... @gmai l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -left : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > michael , im very much in agreement with you a nd have ac tually been wanting to do </blockquot e> a <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > s tory on t his phenomenon . needless to say , as someone with more smarts </blockquot e> than <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "bo rde r -lef t : l px solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > dollars i t hink t his is a bad development . also , i d like t o disabuse ppl
<br= > </blockquote> of <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > t his i dea t hat living in , say , ny is a luxu ry and so t he cost of liv i ng merely refl ect s a choice t o buy a luxury good . is t he r e an element of </blockquote> tha t <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > fo r many folk s? yes , but if you work in an industry t ha t is conce ntra t ed <br= > here you have to live at least in t his v e ry exp ensive r egion if not the </blockquote> ci t y <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > itself . and if your a ci ty employee , like my mo t he r , you a r e required by <br= > </blockquote> law <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -left : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' > to live in t he ci t y . </blockquote></blockquot e> <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > On Tue , Jun 22 , 201 0 at 6 : 36 PM , Michae l 0&#39 ; Hare &l t ; <a href= 3D "mailto : d= ile ... @comcast . net " ta rget =3D" _blank" >di le ... @comcas t . ne t</ a>&gt ; </blockquote> wr ote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -left : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " >
(earlier schmoose about being rich in NY) It&#39 ; s struck me that New Yor k<= br> </blockquote></blockquot e> has <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > seen a b ig change in t he l ast few decades t ha t&#39 ; s li tt le remarked on . <br= > </blockquote></blockquot e> When <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"border - left : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > I was a kid , it was possib le t o have a good life liv ing in Manhatta n if </blockquote></blockquot e> you <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"borderleft : l px so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex ;" > were r ich o r if you were smart . M y parents were in t he la tter c a t egory : t hey bought a brownstone on eas t 30th St . for ve ry litt le in 1 946 , renovated </blockquote></blockquot e> it <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uote " s t yle=3D"border - left : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 204) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > into two apartment s on t he g arden a nd par lo r floo rs and two floors for 
</blockquote></blockquot e> u s , <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s ty le= 3D " b o rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " s t yle=3D" borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 2 0 4) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > p lus a wo r kshop s tudio as a ques t ionably lega l fif t h floo r tha t Dad </blockquote></blockquot e> b uilt <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s ty le= 3D " b o rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " s t yle=3D" border - left : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 2 0 4) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > carrying bricks and mat erials up t he s ta i rs by hand . =AOAt o n e point a b uild ing inspecto r came arou nd for a bribe , and Dad d i d t he most </blockquote></blockquot e> amazing <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s ty le= 3D " b o rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockqu ote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " s t yle=3D" borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 2 0 4) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > i d iot act &quot ; ano t her fee? Sure , whom d o I make t he c heck o ut to? &quot ; a= nd </blockquote></blockquot e> t hey <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s ty le= 3D " b o rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-lef t : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " s t yle=3D" borderleft : l p x so lid rgb(20 4, 204 , 2 0 4) ; mar gin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > gave up and left him a lone . The y a lso h ad a summe r ho use in New J erse y , o r iginally with no elect rici ty or running water , b ough t fo r practically nothing in t he middle of wh at was t hen v e ry rural Mo rr is County , whi ch </blockquote></blockquot e> we <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s ty le= 3D " b o rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb
(204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" border - left : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > similarly upgraded ourselves . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > My mot her was a scu lpt or wi t h a very spotty income teaching and occasionally selling a piece ; Dad never had a big or steady income but they sent me </blockquo t e></blockquot e> t o <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > priv a t e grade school and Harvard, and we had pretty much what we </blockquo t e></blockquot e> needed . <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockqu ote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex ;" > That didn&#39 ; t include t ravel or going out to dinner or theatre mu ch (but <= br> </blockquo t e></blockquot e> New <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" border - left : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin=
Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > York had a l o t o f f ree music , and nice c la y tennis courts yo u cou ld </bl ockquo t e></blockquot e> play on <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > an ho u r a day f or $5 per season) . We never had a new car , but we had </blockquo t e></blockquot e> t ools <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockqu ote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > and knowhow t hat we could t urn int o t ransportation . As with the hou ses . </blockquo t e></blockquot e> So <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > we had somet hing a lot like a rich people&#39 ; s life style on a very small<b= r> income . And a t s ummer camp I met really rich kids from Da l ton and </blockquo t e></blockquot e> Brearley , <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uo t e " s t yle=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > so I e v en got t o go t o coming- out part ies in high schoo l. </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D " gmail_ quo t e " s t yle=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , =
204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > I don&#39 ; t t hink t he second opt ion (smart) works any mo re , at least not in= Manhattan , a t leas t not wi t hin t he law . This is too bad , and not good </blockquo t e></blockquot e> f or <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > t he ci t y . =AOOt her v iews? </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > -----Original Message----- From : <a hre f =3D "mail t o : j ournolis t @googlegroups . com" target=3D " blank "> jour= nolis t @googlegroups . com</a> [mail t o : <a href= 3D '' mail t o : journolis t @googlegrou= ps . com" t arget =3D " blank" >j ournolis t @googlegroups . com</a>] </blockquo t e></blockquot e> On <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > Behal f Of Hilary Bok (hilzoy) Sent : Tuesday , June 22 , 2010 3 : 18 PM To : J o urnolis t Subject : [ J o urnaLis t ] Re : rich people 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding - left : lex ;" > <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > Meh . I probably f all somewhere on t he low end of t he zone in which you&#39 ; re well abov e t he median income for t he US , but are not what some<b= r> people t hink o f as &quot ; rich&quot ;. I can pretty much do what I want , b ut <= br> t hat &#39 ; s largely because I have no dependents and pretty modest t as t es . <b= r> ( I . e . , I can bu y any car I want , but t hat&#39 ; s because a Priu s *is* the <br= > car I want . I wouldn&#39 ; t be able t o if t he re were any c hance that I might want a Tes t arossa . ) I was pretty c lea r l y brough t up rich , thanks t o t he f ortune my great - grandfat her made and my great - unc le promptly los t , o f which t here are s t ill a few dribs and drabs l ying abou t , bu t t he part s t hat are mine are relat ively s mall, and utter l y inconsequent ial pocket change compared t o wha t some of my older relat i ves , who were around before t he famil y business went bu st , think o f as normal . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex ;" > <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > That said : </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e> <blockquo t e class=3D "gmail_quot e " s t yle=3D "border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D "gmail_q uo t e " s t yle=3D"border - left : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin=
: Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > *Of course* I&#39 ; m rich . I take it for granted that any temptation to think otherwise is just silly , and an insu l t to people who are trying to raise kids on the median income . And it seems to me that the least I can do in exchange for my good fortune is not to whine abo ut being poor . Jeez . </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " style=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > I don&#39 ; t hold whining against people who are liv ing hand to mouth in an<= br> apartment they bought when it was cheap , whose v alue make s them rich , b ut fo r whom the loss of t heir community tru l y wou l d be devastating , and who have no other (significant ) source of income . But people bringing up kids in Manhattan are a different story . </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " style=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " > <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ); margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google </blockquote></blockquote> Groups <blockquote class=3D " gmail_ quote " style=3D " border -left : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' ><blockquote class= =3D " gmail_ q uote " style=3D" borderleft : lpx so lid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; margin= : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- left : lex; " >
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Exactly . =AOThe Cardina l was fired , a nd t he Pope was hi r e d . Subs t antively re : t he war , t hings are s t ill a mess , but t he only guy who could be a p lausib le replacement for SM got t he gig . =AOPoli ti cally-- <b= r> absol utely brilliant . =AOHaving your cake --asse rt ing civi lian control , not in anger , b ut regret --a nd eat ing i t t oo by hi r ing an e ve n bigger s upers t ar/coin gener a l t o s t ep in a nd clean t hings up . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : l p= x #ccc solid; padding - left : lex " ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : lpx #ccc so lid ; pa dding-lef t :lex "> <blockquote c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " s ty le=3D"margi n : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r -lef t : lpx #ccc solid; = padding- left : l ex '' > <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : l p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : lex " ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : lpx #ccc so lid ; p a dding-lef t :lex "> On Jun 23 , 1 : 29pm, &l t ; <a href=3D"mai l t o : j oe_ kl ... @t imemaga z i ne . com" t arge= t =3D " _b lank " >joe_ kl . .. @timemagazi ne . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : l p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : lex " > No , he was hired . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> </blockquo= t e> <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : l p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : lex " ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : lpx #ccc so lid ; pa dding-lef t :lex "> <blockquote c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " s ty le=3D"margi n : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r -left : lpx #ccc solid; = padding- left : l ex '' > <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "ma rgin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; borderleft : l p= x #ccc solid; padding- left : lex " ><blockquote c la ss=3D "gmai l _ quote " style= 3D "m= argin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rder- left : lpx #ccc so lid ; p a dding-lef t :lex "> <blockquote c= lass=3D "gmail_q uote " s ty le=3D"margin : O 0 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r -left : lpx #ccc solid; = padding- left : l ex '' > ----- Original Message ----- From : <a h re f =3D "mai l t o : j ournolis t@googlegroups . com " t a rge t=3D "_ blank "> jour= nolist @ googlegr oups . com</a> &l t ; <a href= 3D '' mailto : jour nolist@goog legroups . c=
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&lt ; <a href=3D"mailto : j ohn . michae l. sides@gmail . com"> john . = michael . sides@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wro t e : <bl ockquo t e c lass= 3D "gmail= _q uote '' s t yle=3D '' margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); padding- left : lex ;" > You should also t alk to Tas ha Philpot at t he Unive rs i ty of Texas , who has wr itten t his relevant book : <a href=3D '' h ttp : //www . a mazon . com/Republicans - Return - Linco l n - Politics Ethnic= ity/dp/047206967 5 / ref=3Dntt_ at_ ep_dpt_ l " t a rge t=3D "_ b l ank "> h ttp : //www . amazo= n . com/Republicans - Return- Lincoln- Po li tics - Ethnicity/dp/0472069675/ref= 3Dntt= _a t_ep_dpt 1</a> <div class=3D '' im'' > On Jun 23 , 7 : 08=A0pm, Rick Per ls tei n &lt ; <a h r ef= 3D ''mai l t o : perls t ... @aol . co= m'' >perls t ... @aol . com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; Jeet , t alk to my friend Angela Dillard at NYU: &gt ; </div>&gt ; <a href=3D" http : //www . amazon . com/Guess - Whos - Coming- Di nnerMul ti c= ultural/dp/08147 . " ta rget=3D" _blank" >http : //www . amazon . com/Guess - Whos Comin= g - Dinner- Mul ti cul tur a l /dp/08 147 . </a> .. <div><div></div><div class=3D" h5 " >&gt ; &gt ; On Jun 23 , 5 : 19=A0pm, M ark Schmi tt &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : schmi tt . m. .. @= gmail . com'' >schmi tt . m... @gmai l . com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO I thin k part of t his goes we ll beyond affi r ma t i ve a ct ion -- a= lot of &gt ; &gt ; t hese candidates are really good spokespeopl e fo r the &gt ; &gt ; Rep ub lican/ libertarian wor ldvi ew , because t hey have tha t selfmad= e &gt ; &gt ; person&#39 ; s belief t hat if t hey can make i t anyone c a n . Peop le 1= ike Nikki &gt ; &gt ; Haley are not pawns in someone e l se&#39 ; s game , t he y are absolut e= ly &gt ; &gt ; pass ionate conservatives who&# 39 ; s l ife exp e r iences confirm t heir= view , &gt ; &gt ; giving t hem a tota ll y different way of t a l king a bout the world th= an , &gt ; &gt ; say , t he grumbly J oe t he Plumbe r . Some of t hese folks are complet = e nuts , &gt ; &gt ; some -- e . g . Michae l Stee le - - a r e e l e va t e d fo r no reasons other = t han 
&gt ; &gt ; symbolism, but others are going t o be ve ry significant f igures in= &gt ; &gt ; conservative politics because of t hei r own t alents a nd conviction= s , &gt ; &gt ; which appeal to whi te voters in pa rt because t he y confirm t heir v= iew of &gt ; &gt ; t he wor l d . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On 6/23/2010 5 : 26 PM , J effrey Toobin wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; The appointment of Cl arence Thoma s was going to lead to an i= ncrease in &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; b lack support for Republicans . =A0How&#39 ; s tha t going? &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Wed, J un 23 , 2010 at 5 :1 9 PM, Larry M. Bartels &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &l t ; <a href=3D"mai l to : bart ... @pr ince t on . e du ">bart ... @princet= on . edu</a> &l t ; mailto : <a href=3D"mai l to : ba rt ... @pr ince t on . e du ">bart ... @prin= ceton . edu</a>&gt ; &gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO From /We Almost Made It/ , Republican ad man Malcolm = MacDougall&#39 ; s &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO very entertaining book on t he 1976 president ial camp= aign : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &quot ; We had given up on t he b lack vo t e e ve n befo re = Mr . Butz&#39 ; s remarks . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO We& #39; d bought a fe w spots on b lack radio so the me= d ia couldn&#39 ; t &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO report t hat we& #39 ; d given up . Lione l Hampton sing in= g &#39 ; Call Ford Mr . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Sunshine . &#39 ; The only b lack vo t e we got out of tha= t was Lionel &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Hampton&#39 ; s . &quot ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Larry &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO -----Original Message ----- &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO From : <a href= 3D "mailto : journolis t@googlegroups . com" = >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &lt ; mailto : <a href= 3D '' mailto : journolis t@googlegroups= . com'' >journolis t @goog legroups . com</a>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO [mailto : <a href= 3D '' mailto : journolis t@googlegroups . co= m'' >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &lt ; mai l to : <a href=
3D '' mail t o : journolis t @googlegroups= . com" >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a>&gt ; ] On Beha lf Of David Greenberg &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Sent : Wednesday , June 23 , 20 10 5 :11 PM &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO To : J ournolis t &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Sub j ect : [J ournaList] Re : Rise of Republican mult icu= ltural ism &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO J eet , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Your friend Andy Lame y back 1n his TNR intern days , = if I recall &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO correct ly , had a piece on right - wing jou rnalistic o u= tle t s , opposed t o &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO affirmat i v e act ion as an editorial line , that nonet h= e l ess had &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO affirmat i ve act ion =AOprograms in p lace . It was a ca= se o f c ultural and &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO poli t ical divergence , with the cu l tural pu ll bei ng s= t ronger . i . e . e ven &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Paul Gigot and com pany at the WSJ realized at a cert = a i n poi nt t hat if &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO i t was all whi t e guys around their conference t abl e , = especi a ll y if &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO seen by t he public on PBS , as they were for a while , = t hey would l ack &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO credibili t y , a t least with certain audiences . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Now , I hav e always found it infuriating the way t hat = journali s t s &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO assume t hat blacks wi ll vote for b lacks , Jews will v = o t e f or J ews , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO women will vot e for women, etc .; that may be true i n= a cet eri s pari b us &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO si t uat ion , but i t &#39 ; s simp l y not the case that Al a= n Keyes i s e ver goi ng 
&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO to win t he black vote or e ven t ha t Joe Lieberman (po= s t - 2000 ) is going &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO to win t he J ewish vo t e . None t hele ss , there is a b igg= er perception &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO issue at play . Re la t i vely t ole r an t , socially liberal= whi t e cent r ists &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO and independents are t he audience 1n mind . An all - wh= ite GOP fiel d is &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO going to strike a lo t of t he se vo t ers as behind t he = times in &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO mul ticu l tura l America . Ph rases like &quot ; a bunch of= whi t e guys&quot ; and &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &quot ; straight white male s&quot ; are in the lexicon . = So if t he GOP fiel ds some &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO minori ty or female candidates , i t ma y or may not win= over voters who &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO are t hemsel ves mino r i t ies , o r women ; but --or so I su= spect t hey&#39 ; re &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO calculating-- it migh t very we ll help dispel bad as so= ciations t he part y &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO has *among independent or sw1ng vot ers* as a bas tion= of backward- &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO looking self- satisfied whi t e men . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO In other words , mu l t icul turalism (of a sort) has won= cul turally , even &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO if it has not won as c lea r a v ict ory politically . <br= > &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO J ust some t houghts . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO On J un 23 , 4 : 03pm, Sarah Posner & l t ; <a href= 3D "mail= to : sarahposn ... @gmai l . com" >sarahposn ... @gmail . com</a> 
&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &lt ; mailto : <a href=3D ''mai l to : sarahposn ... @gmail . com" = >sarahposn ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; &gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; From my vantage point , t he re has been a very co= ncerted recrui tment &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; effort by t he re l igious righ t . That&#39 ; s been = going on for a while -- &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; people like Rod Pars l ey were seen as useful in = 2004 because , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO while he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; is whi te , he has a big African - American followi= ng ; Dobson &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO ha ndpicked a &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; few people t ha t he campaigned with in 2004 for = gay marriage &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO bans ; a nd &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; t he Fami ly Research Counci l has been incubating= t he Net work of &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; Po li tica lly Active Christians for several years= now . NPAC is an &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; adjunct of We ll ington Boone Ministries -Boone= is an &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO African - American &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; pastor in Georgia probabl y best known for calli= ng gay people &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &quot ; faggots&quot ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; a nd &quot ; sissies&quot ; at t he Val ues Voters Su= mmit a few years ago . Out of &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; t hose efforts t he Frederick Douglass Foundation= was launched &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO (and yes , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; Frederick Dougl ass is probabl y spinning in his = grave ) to promot e t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; candidacies of b l ack , conservative Christian Re=
publicans . It s chair , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; who is also t he vice - chair of t he North Carol in= a Republican &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Pa rty , is &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; a convicted felon (domestic vio lence ) . And t he = Freedom &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Federation is a &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; loose coali t ion of many of t hese and other reli= gious right &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO groups t hat &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; is intent on reaching out to b lac ks and Latinos= . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; On J un 23 , 1 :1 5pm, Jeet Heer &lt ; <a href= 3D "ma= il to : j eet h ... @yahoo . ca " >j eet h ... @yahoo . ca &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &l t ; mail t o : <a href=3D "mail to : j eeth ... @yahoo . ca "> jeet = h ... @yahoo . ca</a>&gt ; &gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; As some of you already know , I&#39 ; m worki= ng on an arti cle for The &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Globe &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; a nd Mail about t he r1se of Republican mult= iculturalism, i . e . , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Nikki &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; Haley , Tim Scott , and t he many other minor= ity candidat es t hat t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; Republicans are fielding t his year . This a= r ti cle in Frumfor um &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO provides &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; a ha ndy lis t of t hese candidates , who are = much more numerious &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO t ha n I , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; for one , would have &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO expect ed : <a href=3D '' h ttp : //www . frumforum. com/gopmin= ority- candidat es - come- out - in- force '' ta rget=3D ''_ b lank '' > h ttp : //www . f r umfor um . = com/gop- minority- candidat es - come- out - in- force</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; I&#39 ; m doing some interviews on the
t opic= (including int erviews &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO wi t h some &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; lis t fo lks) but I thought the issue might = be wort h a general &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; discussion on the l ist as a whole . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; Here are some questions I have : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; 1) What &#39 ; s going on here? Is this j us t = t okenism? An a ttempt t o &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO prove &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; t he party is not racist? Or is this a genu= ine leap f orward o f some &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; kind t owards a more mu l ti - racial brand of = Republicanism? H ow &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO much of &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; t his is coming from the grassroots and how= much o f t his is a &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; deliberate recruitmen t effort by the part y= ? &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; 2) More than a few of these minority candi= dat es are coming &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO from t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; far - right , Tea Party wing of Repub l icanism= . As t he excellent Ed &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; Kilgore noted 1n another thread , Tim Scott = had worked in t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO pas t as a &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; campaign manager for Storm Thu rmond . So
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seems t hat t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO Republicans &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; are bot h mov1ng to the right and becomi ng = more multi - raci a l a t t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO =AO &gt ; &gt ; same t i me . How do we explain that? Is t her= e a connection? - 
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Oin Oin ' > From : journolis t @googlegroups . com [mail t o : j ourno li st@googlegroups . com] On Beha= lf Of Michael Tomasky Sent : Th ursday , J une 24 , 2010 11 : 35 AM To : journolis t @googlegroups . com S ubject : Re : [J ournoLis t ] Re : rich people<o :p></o :p> </di v> <o : p>&nbsp ; </o : p> We ll, I agree with Dani= el only up t o a point . I t ake his point about t he socia l architecture . Bu t haven ' t we in t he f ield o f poli t ical analysis more or le ss agreed that , at least in t e= rms o f analyzing elect oral dat a , educat ion levels corre la te better to class t ha=
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income does? Sure we have . When we say Obama lo st the white working class 58 - 40 --which everyone says --we ' re using the exit poll non college educat ed number . <o : p></o : p> <div > On Thu , J un 24 , 2010 at 11: 26 AM , yese l son &lt ; <a href =3D '' mail t o : ryeselson@gmail . com'' >ryese l son@gmail. com</a>&gt ; wrote : <o : p>= </o : p> Indeed Daniel , well said . &nbsp ; Re : Nate ' s def ini t ion = and along t he same lines , b ut more concret e : &nbsp ; I ' m t rying to remember who wrote that t he<b= r> de f ini t ion o f rich was being able t o t ake three days off from you r job wi t hout t elling anybody why--and, on t he fourth day , sti ll having that job . &nbsp ; William Domhoff , maybe? On Jun 24 , 4 : 07&nbsp ; am, Daniel Davies & l t ; <a hre f =3D '' mail t o : daniel . dav ... @gmail . com'' >danie l. dav ... @gmai l. com</a>&gt ; wro= t e : 
&gt ; to be hones t I t hink t his is why it ' s proba b l y a good idea to t alk in<= br> &gt ; t erms of object ive criteria about income , wea l t h and i ts stability , <br= > &gt ; rat her than havi ng t he argument about who 1s and isn ' t working class . <= br> &gt ; There aren ' t many truckers or miners in t he p osi t ion Rich descri bes , <b= r> &gt ; b ut t here are a hell of a lot of sa le speople , broke rs ' c lerks a nd the<= br> &gt ; like wor king in my building who are also on o r a bout =A360k s t erling , <= br> &gt ; not much s t a tus a nd massively vu lne r a b le t o la yoffs . &nbsp ; There is a whole &gt ; social archi t ecture devoted to convincing t hem t hat t he y ' re not &gt ; wor king class and don ' t have fundamenta l in t e r es ts in common wi th &gt ; miners and t r uck drivers , a nd it ' s a b ig p a rt of t he problem . &gt ; &gt ; On 23 June , 20 : 11 , yese lson &lt ; <a h r ef= 3D ''mailt o : ryesel ... @gmail . com" = >ryesel ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wr ote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; This is just a question of incommen surate defini t ions . &nbsp ; The analogue &gt ; &gt ; is in t he long running debate-- some t hing Larry ha s also parti cipa= t ed &gt ; &gt ; in-- regarding t he definition of &quot ; working c la ss . &quot ; &nbsp ; Those t hink who have &gt ; &gt ; objective , numerica l idea of who se is r ich , i . e . $2 million is r i= ch &gt ; &gt ; compared t o every relevant cohort below i t , wou l d , for consis t enc= ies &gt ; &gt ; sake , have to have a income driven defini t ion of &quot ; working class , &quot ; i . e . &gt ; &gt ; measur ing it by income a lone . &nbsp ; Tho se who insert measures of cul tural &gt ; &gt ; capi t al and cultural a nxiety would , fo r consistencies sake , inser= t &gt ; &gt ; measurements of education a nd j ob desc r i pt ion in their definition= of &gt ; &gt ; the wor king class . &nbsp ; Thus , by t hi s understanding , a short hau=
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&gt ; &gt ; driver making a $100 , 000 per year -- there are few in this income<b= r> &gt ; &gt ; s t rat a , b ut , relat ive t o t heir peers , not many-- is *not* working class &gt ; &gt ; despi t e : &nbsp ; a) t he shi tty , exhausting j ob he has that brings h= im no &gt ; &gt ; s t a tus in any sociological sense ; &nbsp ; b) &nbsp ; his all but cert = a in absence o f &gt ; &gt ; any f o ur year college educat ion , , i . e . matricu l ation , let alone<= br> &gt ; &gt ; gradua t ion ; &nbsp ; c) &nbsp ; his l egitimate fears that his income i= s closely t ied &gt ; &gt ; t o exogenous economic circums t ances that cou l d resu lt in its vas t = &gt ; &gt ; decline almos t overni t e . &nbsp ; We cou l d add unionized coal miners who , wi t h &gt ; &gt ; overt ime , somet imes can get up to $100 , 000 per year , too? &nbsp ; A= re t hey &gt ; &gt ; &quo t ; working class&quot ; ? &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; You choose . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Jun 23 , 1 : 34 pm, Kat ha Po ll itt & l t ; <a hre f =3D "mail t o : kat ha . poll ... @gmail . com" >katha . po ll ... @gmai l. com</a>&gt ; wro= t e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &nbsp ; When Sophie was li t t l e , we wou l d hire a sitter and go = to dinner a t a local &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; place and t he movies . Or out with friends . occasionally t he t heat re . t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; idea t hat hiring a babysitter isn ' t worth it unless you have= a major f es t i ve &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; e vening is pretty silly . The i m portant thing is j u st to spen=
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t ime o ut o f &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; t he house not being a parent . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Wed, J un 23 , 2010 a t 7 : 20 PM , Brad DeLong &lt ; <a href =3D "mail t o : brad . del ... @gmail . com" >brad . de l ... @gmai l. com</a>&gt ; wrot e : <=
br> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; No . It ' s not nuts . It ' s a ll driven by t he babys itter . I = t 's not wort h &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; getting a babysitter to go out for Vie t namese food . And t hen it ' s not wort h &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; staying loca l if you ' r e going for t he h igh- end res t aura= nt . And t hen it ' s not &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; worth a movie if you are (a) h iring a babys i tter , and s=
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(b) going to t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; city to spend (c) a l ot on food . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; After t he children grow l arge enough to no longer need = a babys itter , t hings &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; reverse : our Father ' s Day expe dition was $50 -- $20 fo r pizzas , and $30 fo r &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; t hree ticket ' s to &quot ; Winter ' s Bone&quot ; ... &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Yours , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Brad DeLong &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Wed, J un 23 , 2010 at 10 :1 5 AM , steven te les &lt ; <a href=3D "mailto : s t evete ... @gmail . com" >stevete ... @gmai l. com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Can I just say how nu ts t hat is? My wife go out ALL=
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 I mean , is t here anything more interesting happening today? I don&#39 ; t t hi=
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: speechboy@mac . com" target=3D"_blank" >speechboy@mac . com</a>&gt ; wr ot= e : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "borde r - lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' ><div style= 3D "wor= d - wrap : break- word;'' >BTW , I t hin k t he name fo r t he new Journolis t should be= JTPlist as in Japanese Tentac le Porn . <div> <div></div><div><div> <div><div>On Jun 25 , 20 1 0 , a t 5 : 18 PM, M i chael Coh= en wr ote : </div> <blockquote type=3D" cite "><div style=3D "word- wrap : break= - word;'' >Wow these q uotes Go ldberg got from Pos t r e po rte rs s hould be put in = a time capsule titled &quot ; Old Medi a&#39 ; s Last Gasps : &quot ; <div> </div><div>&quot ; Thi s is not jus t sour g rapes about t he sudden rise of t hese untrained kids , though I have to= t hink t hat some peop le in t he building r esen t t hem fo r bypassing the usual= way peop le r ise here . This is really abou t t he seria l stupidity of allow in= g t hese b loggers to trade on t he name of t he W ashingt on Pos t . &quot ; &quot ; It makes me crazy when I see t he se guys r efe rre d to as repo r t ers . = They&#39 ; re anyt hing but . And t hey hurt t he newsp a p e r when the y c laim to b= e repo r t ers . &quot ; &quot ; Ezra Klein is a t alen t e d guy , but he&# 39 ; s jus t an absolut e partisan . If t his is whe r e j ou r nalism ha s to go , so be it , = b ut I don&#39 ; t want to go t here . &quot ; &quot ; The lack of toi let - trai ning is r igh t . Eve ryone make s mistake s , b u= t you can mitigate t he number of mis takes t h r ough seasoning . Some people he= re are s till p ut t hrough seasoning , but o t he rs a r en&# 39 ; t . It shows , a nd
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&#39 ; s embarrassing . &quot ; <div><div><div> <div><div>On Jun 25 , 20 1 0 , a t 4 : 56PM, Steve Clemons wr o= t e : </div> <blockquote type=3D" cite " ><div>Jim Fallows a pparent l y spoke to= Goldberg : <a href= 3D '' http : //www . theatlantic . com/national/archive/20= 10/06/second - t hought s - on- dave-" target=3D "_ b lank "> h ttp : //www . theatlant ic . co= m/national/archive/20 10/06/second- t hough ts - on - da ve - </a> 
weigel/58767/ On 6/25/10 3 : 34 PM , &quo t ; David Roberts&quot ; &l t ; = <a href=3D "mailto : david . h . roberts@gmail . com " t arge t =3D "_ b lank" > david . h . r obe= r t s@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote type=3D '' ci t e '' > =AOFo rcing t = he l eaker to send a persona l note to t he foun de r of a new </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " >list saying &quot ; I want to be on t h= e list and I promise not to leak&quot ; is no t </blockquote> <blockquot e t = ype=3D '' ci t e '' >fool - proof , but as I keep saying , I t hink i t& #39 ; s a lot more = potent t han </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " >people g1ve i t credit for . </bloc= kq uote> <blockquote type= 3D " ci t e " = >On 6/25/2010 12 : 28 PM , Linds ay Beyerste in wrote : </blockquote> <blockquo= t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' >We don&#39 ; t know who t he leake r is . Wha t& # 39 ; s t = he point of s t arting a new </blockquo t e><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >list if t he saboteur can follow us to J- L = 2 . 0? Not t hat I &#39 ; m opposed to </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >s t arting a new list a nd purging t he j -l is t a rchives . If tha t& #39 ; s what = we </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " > end up doing , count me in . </blockquote></blockquote><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote> <blockquot e = t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite " >Lindsay Beyerstein </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><a h r ef= 3D "mailto : f rege= @ mac . com" t arget =3D " _bl a nk" >frege@mac . com</a> </blockquote> </blockquot e>= <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' >347 - 307 - 4974 </block= q uote> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > </bl ockquote> </bloc= kq uote><blockquote type=3D "cite "> </blockquot e=
></blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> </blo= ckquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> </bloc= kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> On = Jun 25 , 2010 , a t 3 : 21 PM , Steve Clemons wrote : </bl ockquote> </blockquote= ><blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquote></bl ockquote><bl oc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">Lindsay tha t = is because t he sabot eur wants t o lie in wait for another </blockquote></= blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >opport uni ty t o take down someone . =AOActua ll y , if we kept g= oing , t his </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci= t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >person </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >who may have serial habi t s , may expose h i mse l f or herse l f . </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kq uote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">A new list ne= eds to be s t art ed, and we probably have to ha ve periodic </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e ">warnings t hat t here could be brea= ches , so don&#39 ; t pos t mat erial t hat </bl ockquote></bl oc kq uote> </blockq= uote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >you can&#39 ; t </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kq uote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">defend p ublic= ly . </blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></bl ockquote></bloc kquote> <bl= ockq uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >On 6/25/10 3 :1 7 PM, &quot ; Lindsay Beyers t ein&q= uot ; &l t ; <a hre f =3D '' mail t o : frege@mac . com '' targe t=3D ''_ b l ank '' > f rege@ mac . com</= a>&gt ; wr ote : </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D'' ci t e '' > </bl ockquote></bloc kq uote> </b= lockq uote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "> <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Working at home in Brookl yn , I t hin k of j - lis t as= a vi r tual water </bloc kq uote> <bl= ockq uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > cooler and j - listers as my surrogat e col leagues . </bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl oc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type= 3D "cite ">It wou ld be a mistak= e to kill t he list because of a leak . Each of us </bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type= 3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e ">has a massive paper trail spannin= g b logs , youTube , tw i tter , I Ms , </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote><= / b lockq uote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >facebook, private email correspondence , lister=
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<blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >tha t someone was out to get Dave , not j -l is t pe r se o </blockquote> </b= lockq uote></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' > </bl ockquote> </bloc= kq uote></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " >Li ndsay Beyer= s t ein </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type= 3D "cite " ><bl ockquote type= 3D " = ci t e '' ><a h ref =3D '' mai l to : frege@mac ocom'' t arget=3D ''_ b l ank '' >frege@mac ocom </a><= br> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type= 3D "c i te " >347 307= - 4974 </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t y= pe=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " ><blockquote t ype= =3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquo= t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " >
On Jun 25 , 201 0 , a t 2 : 47 PM , Mark Thoma wrote : </blockquote> </bl ockquo t e= ></bl ockquo t e></bl ockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci= t e " ><bl ockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "> </bl ockquo t e></= b l ockquo t e> </bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >For me , t he lis t was invaluable . It helped me dai l y . Sitting in </= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >Oregon , t he re are very few , if any , s ubs t i t = utes f or t his . If t he </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">li st is reformed, and I=92m l u= cky enough t o be part of i t , I hope </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">people can find a way to use i= t t hat does not leav e t hem v ulnerable </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">to such attacks . The in f ormat i= on I got f rom t he lis t was essent ial =96 </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">I lea rn mo re he re than anywher= e else =96 and I t ried t o give back as I </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq=
uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">cou l d , but the debt is surely = one- sided . I hope it can be </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3 D"cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >resurrected somehow . </bloc= kq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl ockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3 D"c i te "> </b= lockquote> <blockquot e t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </b= lockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquot e t ype=3D " cite " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' >From : <a href= 3D "mailto= : journolis t @googlegroups . com" target=3D" _ b l ank "> journolis t @googlegroups . com= </a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e><b= lockquote t ype=3D " cite " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >[<a href= 3D '' mailto : journolis t@googlegroups . com= " t arget =3D " _b lank " >mailto : j ournolist@googlegroups . com</a>] On Behalf Of Ez= ra Klein </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">Sent : Friday , June 25 , 2010
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</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">To : <a h ref= 3D '' mail t o : journoli= s t @googlegroups . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >j ournolist@googlegroups . com</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci te ">Sub j ect : [ JournoList] J o urnoli= s t o ut </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e '' >I began J o urnolis t in February of 2007 . It was an idea born from <= /blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >disagreemen t . Weeks , or ma ybe months , earli= er , I had cri t icized J oe </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">Klein over some comments he rna= de about t he I raq War . He e - mailed a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">long and searching reply , and t he s ubsequent back- and- for t h was </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">
<blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">educationa l, I thin k, for us b= oth . Taking the conversat ion out of </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">the publ ic eye made it less de= f ensive , less about winning . It made </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">my future writing on the s ubje= c t better . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >The experience crys ta llized an idea I&#39 ; d been kicking around fo r s= ome </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">time . I was on all sorts of e- = mail lists , b ut none t hat qui t e got at </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">the dai l y work of my job : Foll= owing policy and poli t ical t rends in </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">both t he expert community and t he media . But I always knew how much 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">I was mi ssing . There were only= so many phone calls I could make in a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">day . The re were only so many t = imes when I knew t he right ques t ion t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">ask . By not t hin king of the ri= ght person t o int erv iew , or not asking </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">the righ t question when I got = t hem on t he phone , or not int ui t ing </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">tha t an economist wou ld have a= t erri f ic insight on t he elect ion , I </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >was leav ing insights on the t a= ble . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type=
3D " = ci t e " >That was t he t heory behind J ournolist : An insulated space where t he<b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >lure of a s ma rt , ongoing conversation would= encourage journalis t s , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">po licy experts , and assort ed o= t her observers t o share t heir insight s </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">with one another . The e ventual= irony o f t he lis t was t hat i t came t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">be v iewed as a secretive consp= iracy when , in f act , i t was always a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >fractious and freewheeling con= versat ion meant t o open t he report er - </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">source re la tionship to a wider= a udience . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e>
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >At t he beginning , I set t wo rules for t he membership . The first was<b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >t he easy one : No one who wor ked for the gov = ernment in any capaci t y </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >cou l d j oin . The second was t he= hard one : The membership would range </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">from nonpartisan to liberal , c= ent er t o le ft . I didn&#39 ; t like t hat </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">ru le, but I t hought it necessa= ry : There would be no free </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">conversation in a forum where = people had clear incent ives t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">embarrass each other . A bipart = isan lis t would be a more formal </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">
<blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">debating society . Plus , as Liz= Mair notes , t here were plenty of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">conservative l ist servs , and I = knew of military list servs , and </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">hea l t h-care po l icy list servs , = and feminist list servs . Most of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">these projects limited members= hip to facilitate a particular sort of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">conversation . It didn&#39 ; t st = rike me as a big deal to follow their </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">examp l e . </bloc kquote> </blo= ckquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">But over the years , = Journolist grew , and as it grew , its relative </bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e>
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >excl usivi t y became more infamous , and its conversations became </b= lockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >porous . The leaks never bothe red me , t hough= . What I didn&#39 ; t expect </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">was t ha t someone a member of t = he lis t , or someone given access by a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">member of t he li st , wou ld t raw= 1 t hrough t he archiv es t o assemble a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">dossier on one particu lar memb= er and embarrass him . But t hat &#39 ; s what </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">happened to Dave Weigel . </= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">In a
co= lumn about St anley McChrystal today , David Brooks ta lks about </blockquo= t e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >t he union of elect ronic text , unhe ra l ded t ransparency , 2= 4/7 media , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">and a cu l ture that has not yet = sett led on new r ules for what is , and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">isn&#39 ; t , private , and what i= s , and isn&#39 ; t , newswort hy . &quot ; The exposure </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">etho s , with its relentless emp= hasis on des t roying privacy and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">exposing impurities , has chase= d good people f rom public life , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">undermined public faith in ins= t i tut ions and eleva t ed t he t rivial </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">over t he important , &quot ; he w= ri t es . 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >There&#39 ; s a lot of faux - int imacy on t he web . Readers like that <= /blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >int imacy , or at lea st some of them do . But = i t &#39 ; s dangerous . A </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >newspaper co l umn is public , an= d wri t ers t reat i t as such . So t oo is </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >a b log . But Twitter? It&# 39 ; s = p ublic , b ut i t f eels , somehow , looser , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >safer . Facebook is less p ublic= t han Twi tter , and f eels even more </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >intima te . A private e - mail lis= t is not p ublic , b ut i t is </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " >
<blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >e l ectronica ll y archived t ext , = and it is prot ect ed only by a password </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">fie l d and t he goodwill of t he = members . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >We&#39 ; ve not quite decided on how to handl e t h is expl osion of </b= lockquote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >information about peopl e we&#39 ; re interest= ed in . A newspaper reporter </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >opposing t he Afghanistan war i= n a news s tory is doing something </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">improper . A newspaper report er= t elling his wife he opposes the war </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >is being perfectly proper .
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</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >taping t ha t reporter&#39 ; s con= versat ions wi t h his wife , t here&#39 ; d be no </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >doubt t ha t was a violation of = privacy , and t he gat hered remarks and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >observations were illegi t imat e= . If a bat ch o f t hat report er&#39 ; s e - </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >mail s were obtained and f orwar= ded along? People are less sure what </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >to do about it . </blockquo t = e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " >It was ironic , in a = way , t hat i t would be t he Daily Caller t ha t </blockquote> </blockquo t e></= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type=
3D " = ci t e " >published e - mai ls from J ournolist . A few weeks ago, i ts edi tor , </= b lockq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Tucker Ca r l son , asked if he could join t he = list . Aft er asking all of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">you , I said no, tha t the r ules= had wor ked so fa r t o protect people , </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type=3 D"c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">and t he memb e rs weren& #39 ; t co= mfor t able changing t hem . He tried to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">change my mind , a nd I offered, = instead , to partner with Car lson to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">start a b i p a rt isan lis t serv . = Tha t d i d n&#39 ; t interest him . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >In any case , Journolis t is done now . I&#39 ;ll dele t e the group shortl = y 
</bl ockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >aft er I send t hi s out . Tha t&#39 ; s not becau= se J o urnolis t was a bad idea , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">or anyone on it did anyt hing w= rong . It was a wonderful , chaot ic , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >educationa l discu ssion . I&# 39 ; = m proud o f having s t art ed i t , grat eful t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">have participated in it , and I = have no doub t t hat someone else will </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">reform it , with many of the sa= me members , and keep i t going . But </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">insofar as its archives have b= ecome a weapon , and people&#39 ; s careers </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">are at stake , it has to die . <b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type=
3D " = ci t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > Thanks = fo r e veryt hing , </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </bl= ockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " > </blockquote> </b= lockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote><= blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e= " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Ezra Klein </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockqu= ote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " > The Washington Post/Newsweek </blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </bl= ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " ><= blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e= " >Col umni s t </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite " >11 50 1 5th St . NW </blockquo= t e></blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Washingt on , DC 20071 </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </bloc= kquote>
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e '' >W : (202) 334 6744 </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> </blockqu= o t e></blockquo t e> <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D " ci te " >C : ( 8 31) 566 5566 <br= ></blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo= t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >Si t e : <a href= 3D '' h ttp : //www . washingt onpos t . com= /ezraklein/ " t arget =3D" _blank" >http : //www . washingtonpost . com/ezraklein/
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 </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >Twi tter : <a h ref= 3D '' h ttp : //www . t wi tter . com/= ezraklein " t arget =3D " _blank" >http : //www . twitter . com/ezraklein</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Wonkbook : <a h ref= 3D " h ttp : //ww= w. washingt ponpos t . com/wonkbook" t arget =3D "_ b lank" > h ttp : //www . washingt ponpos= t . com/wonkbook</a> </bl ockquo t e></bl ockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <bl ockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >-- </blockquote> </blockquo t = e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " >You received t his message because you are subscribed to the Google <br= ></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=
3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Groups &quot ; J ou r nolis t&quo t ; group . </b= lockq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >To post t o t his group , send email to <a hre= f=3D '' mailto : journolist@googlegroups . com'' t a rge t=3D ''_ b lank'' > journolis t @googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">To unsubscribe from this group= , send email to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : journolis t - u= nsubscri be@googlegr oups . com" target=3D" _ b lank" >j ou r nolis t unsubscri be@googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">For mo r e opt ions , v isi t t his g= r oup a t </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><a h r ef= 3D '' h ttp : //gr oups . googl= e . com/group/journolist?hl=3Den " target=3D " b lank" > h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/= group/journolis t ?hl=3Den</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">And r ememb e r : All postings are= off- t he- reco rd . 
</blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot = e><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >You received t h is message because you are s ubs= cribed to t he Google </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote= ></blockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite ">Groups &quot ; Journol= ist&quot ; group . </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote></bloc kq uote> </b= lockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite ">To post to this grou= p , send email to <a href=3D"mail t o : j ourno l ist@googl egroups . com" target= 3D " = blank '' >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">To unsubscribe from this group= , send email to </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "><a h ref= 3D '' mailto : journolis t - u= nsubscribe@googlegroups . com" ta rget =3D" _ b l ank ">j ourno l ist uns ubscribe@googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote>
<blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">For more options , visit t his g= roup a t </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "><a h ref= 3D '' http : //groups . googl= e . com/group/journolis t ? hl=3Den " ta rget =3D "_ b l ank "> h ttp : //groups . google . com/= group/journolist?hl=3Den</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">And reme mber : All postings are= off- t he- record . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kquote t y= pe=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote= t ype=3D " ci t e " > You received t his message because you are subscribed to t he Google </blo= ckquote></blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " ><b= lockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " = >Groups </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >&quot ; Journolis t &quot ; group . </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >To pos t t o t h is group , send e mail to <a
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d i d n&#39 ; t wor k . Meanwhile , I t hink t hi s weird anonymou s graf b ur i= ed in Kur t z&#39 ; s column t oday is t he first quas i - r esponse from Gore : <a hre f =3D '' h ttp : //www . was hingtonpost . com/wpdyn/content/ar ti c l e/2010/06/24/= AR20 10062406355 . html " >http : //www . was hing tonpost . com/wpdyn/content/ar ti c l e/= 2010/06/24/AR2010062406355 . ht ml</a> <bl ockquote>According to a sou rce f r= iend l y with the Gores , Al Gore=20 con fi r med tha t he received a t herapeutic massage in h is hotel room that= 20 night , and like l y f r om t he t herapist making t he accusation . But , the=20 source said, Gore remembers gett ing a massage wi t hout incide nt and the= 20 therapis t l eaving on good t erms . </blockquote> So Gore &quot ; con fi r med&q= uot ; -- to his f r iend I guess ? - - t hat t he massage happened wi thout inciden= t . <div class=3D"gmail_quote ">On Fr i , Jun 25 , 2010 at 10 : 39= AM, Eli Sanders &l t ; <a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : e li jsanders@gmail . = com'' >eli jsanders@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote c l ass=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; bo rde=
r - left : lpx solid rgb(204 , 204 , 204) ; padding- lef t : l ex ;'' >I know there&# 39 ; = s been concern about using t he &quot ; W hat should t he media do?&quot ; angle = to t ry to push t his story forward . Here&#39 ; s a media - oriented piece I di d = for Salon t hat , a t least in a tempora l sense , pushes t he story backward : <br= > <a href= 3D '' h ttp : //www . salon . com/news/feature/2010/06/24/gore_ sex assaul= t portland t ribune " target=3D" blank" > 0/06/24/gore_ sex_assault_portland_ tribune</a> <fon t color=3 D" # 888= 888 " > Eli Sanders Associate Editor The Stranger <a href=3D" http : //elis a nders . ne t " target=3D "_ blank "> http : //= elisanders . net</a><div><div></div><div class=3D '' h 5 '' > <div cla= ss=3D '' gmail_quot e '' >On Thu , J un 24 , 2010 at 6 : 28 PM , MSPubRadSM &l t ; <a href=3D "mailto : sascol900@gmail . com " target=3D "_ blank "> sascol90= O@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "border - lef t : l p x solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' >bada boom! <div><d= iv></d iv><d iv> <di v class=3D"gmail_ quote ">On Thu , Jun 24 , 2010 at 6:= 08 PM, David Greenberg &lt ; <a h ref= 3D '' mailto : greenbergdl 9= 68@yahoo . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >greenbergdl968@yahoo . com</a>&gt ; wro= t e : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "border - lef t : l px solid rgb (204 , = 204 , 204 ) ; margin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' > I don&#39 ; t know if t his is a ll true , but from Al Gore&#39 ; s perspective , i= t sure is inconvenient . <div> On Jun 24 , 5 : 4l=A0pm, Katha Po lli tt &lt ; <a h ref=3D ''mail to : ka tha . poll ... @gma= il . com" t arget =3D " _bl a n k" >katha . poll ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; To you , to me , it doesn&#39 ; t damage he r credibility . but to l ots of p= eople it &gt ; will . they will t hin k she was not really at ris k and is making &gt ; up/exaggerating to extract money . t ha t wha t is often said about women = who 
&gt ; accuse famous men of assau l t . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; </div><div>&gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 2010 at 6 : 08 PM, Lindsay Beyerstein &lt ; <a = href=3D "mailto : f r ... @mac . com" target=3D"_ b lank ">fr ... @ mac . com</a>&gt ; wrot e= : &gt ; &gt ; Why does asking for a settlement damage he r credibility? I don&#3= 9; t know if &gt ; &gt ; t his woman is credible or not , I&#3 9 ; m j ust saying tha t the fact t hat she want ed &gt ; &gt ; compensati on doesn&#39 ; t sway me one way o r t he o ther . Le t& # 39 ; s assume fo r t he sake &gt ; &gt ; of argument t hat she was assau l t e d . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; We all know how horrible i t is fo r a v ic t im t o pursue a sexual as= sault case &gt ; &gt ; t hrough t he criminal j us t ice system. Like any v ic t im , she could e= xpect to be &gt ; &gt ; grilled about her sexual his t ory in court . The defense would insi= nuate t hat &gt ; &gt ; &quot ; masseuse&quot ; is a euphemi s m fo r pros t i tute , a n allegation= t hat could wreck t he &gt ; &gt ; woman&#39 ; s career . Aft er a ll t ha t , t he defendant would probably = e s till walk . H &gt ; &gt ; is , aft er a ll , a rich whi t e man in a r a pe cu l ture . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; The victim has virtua ll y no leve r age in t he criminal j u stice sys t = em . &gt ; &gt ; Whereas , she has a t on of leverage with t he r ich married man who = assaulted &gt ; &gt ; her . H e wi ll probably pay her t o keep hi s name ou t of the press . = One of the &gt ; &gt ; condi tions of t his payout migh t be t hat s he drop the criminal cha= rges . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Why not make t he bas ta rd pay t h r ough t he nose fo r wha t he did? At = least &gt ; &gt ; you&#39 ; ll get some redress , un like mo st v ic t ims of sexual violen= ce . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Lindsay Beyerstei n 
</div>&gt ; &gt ; <a href=3D"mailto : fr ... @ mac . com" t a rge t=3D "_ blank ">fr ... @ rna= c . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; =AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=AO=A0347 - 307 - 4974=AO=AO=AO =AO= =AO=AO=AO=A0347 - 307 - 4974 <div>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Jun 24 , 2010 , at 8 : 57 AM, Ka t ha Polli tt wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AOThere was possible corroboration t he p olice d i dn& #39 ; t follow = up on . fo r ex , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; she says she to ld friends r igh t away, and she did save her cl= othes . Also , &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; she says her leg was injured dur ing t he who le thi ng a nd she w= as under a dr&# 39 ; s &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; care for months . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =AO I t otally understand why she r efused t o press charges , b ut= I don&#39 ; t really &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; unders tand why she went back t o t he police in 2009 . c i v il sui= t ? But t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; suggestion t hat she is looking fo r a sett lemen t damages her c= redi b ility too . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; t he nationa l enquirer is suggesting t ha t t his is why tipper l= eft gore . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; also , t hat gore has had lo ts of affai rs and t his is widel y kn= own in his &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; circle . &gt ; </div><div>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 20 1 0 a t 2 : 46PM, Ezra Klein &l t ; <a= href=3D '' mailto : ezra . kl ... @gmai l . com'' targe t=3D '' b lank'' >ezra . kl ... @gmail . co= m</a>&gt ; wr ote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; It &#39 ; s either so detailed t ha t i t can&#39 ; t possibly be a h= oax , o r so det ailed &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; because it is a hoax . &gt ; </div><div>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 20 1 0 a t 8 : 41AM, Laura Rozen &l t ; <= a href=3D '' mailto : lkro ... @gmai l . com'' targe t=3D ''_ b lank'' >lkr o ... @gmail . com <Ia>= &gt ; wr ote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; the b it where he bellows in ange r when she men t ions bill and = hillary --- &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; surreal &gt ; </div>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 2010 a t 8 : 37 AM , Danie l Da v ies &lt ; <a h= ref=3D '' mailto : daniel . dav ... @gmai l . com'' t a rge t=3D ''_ b lank'' >daniel . dav ...
@gmai= l . com</a>&gt ; <div><div></div><div>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; for what i t &#39 ; s worth , he r description of Gore&# 39 ; s b= ehaviour sounds t o me &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; really like descript ions of Ambien - zombies . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On 24 J une , 13 : 19, Marc &l t ; <a h ref= 3D "mail t o : marc . ambin= ... @gmail . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >marc . ambin ... @gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; I&#39 ; m wi t h Kat ha . And I was very skeptical bef ore = I read t hrough t he &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; report . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On J un 24 , 2010 , at 6 : 40 AM , Katha Pollitt &lt ; <a hr= e f =3D '' mail t o : kat ha . poll ... @gmail . com'' t arget=3D ''_ b lank '' >katha . poll ... @gmail= . com</a>&gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Sorry t o go on and on , but i am so dis turbed . <b= r> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; =A0Salon&#39 ; s writer says he r story isn&# 39 ; t = credible because t he police &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; didn&#39 ; t c ha rge , because t he Portland t ribune= said i t didn&#39 ; t meet &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; unspecified &quot ; test points&quot ; of credibi= li t y , and because o t her &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; celebri t ies have been falsely accu sed . t hat &#39= ; s prett y lame , imo . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; I hope everyone reads t he whole police s t a t emen= t . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; <a href =3D" http : //www . salon . com/news/a l _ gore/index . html? s t ory= =30/poli t ics/war_ room ." t arget =3D" _blank "> h ttp : //www . salon . com/news/al_gore= /index . h t ml?s t ory=3D/poli t ics/war_ room . </a> .. &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 20 1 0 at 11: 54 AM , Katha Poll itt = &l t ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; <a href=3D"mail t o : kat ha . po ll ... @gmail . com" target= 3D " blank " >= kat ha . poll ... @gmail . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; if you google &quot ; al gore rape portland , &quo t = ; up will come a lot of news &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; s t ories about t hi s from yesterday . Portland
Tri= b une had t he s t ory &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; ages ago , decided not to publ ish . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 20 10 at 9 : 44 AM , Katha Pollitt = lt ; & &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; <a href=3D"mail t o : kat ha . po ll ... @gmai l. com" target= 3D " b l ank " >= kat ha . poll ... @gmail . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; I&#39 ; ve only read half of this , it&#39 ; s v ups= e ttti ng . I t h i nk she is &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; t ot ally credible. Even though in the abs t ract I = belie ve mal e &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; poli t icians are most l y bastards , =AOentitled an= d narci ss i s ti c , and we &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; all know rape , mo le station , v io l ence against wo= men are i ncredi b l y &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; common , AND we a ll know l ots of men u se pro s tit = utes and t h i nk &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; massage t herapists are basica ll y pro s titutes , t = e . =AO I h i s sho cked m &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wish I was a le s b ian . &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; Al gore , t he sanctimonious rapist . I hate h i m. <= br> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; On Thu , J un 24 , 20 10 a t 5 : 55AM , Nate Silver & 1= t ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; <a href=3D"mail t o : nsil ... @ baseba llprospec t us . com" target= 3D " = b l ank '' >ns il ... @baseballprospect us . com</a> &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; wrot e : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; One of t he Por t l and TV s t a t ions posted the t ran= scri p t of t he poli ce &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; report filed b y t he woman who has accu sed Al Go = re of &quot ; unwant ed sexual &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; cont act &quot ; : &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; <a href = 3D '' h ttp : //www . fl ashalert newswire . net /images/news/20 10- = 06/3056/36280/Go re . " t arget =3D"_blank" > h ttp : //www . fl ashal ert newswire . net /im= ages/news/20 10- 06/3056/36280/Gore . </a> .. &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; I t &#39 ; s a lo t of read ing , bu t what do peop l e t = e , she seems h i nk ? =AOTo m &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; &gt ; rat her credi b le. =AOAnd i t &#39 ; s an accusation =
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-- =20 Rachel Weiner PostPolitics . com -- =20 You received thi s message because you are subscribed t o t he Google Gr oups " = Jour nolist '' g r oup . To post to thi s g r oup , send email t o j ourno li st@googlegroups . com To uns ubscri be f r om t his group , send emai l t o j ou r nolist uns ubscri be@google= g r oups . com For more op tions , vi si t t his group at h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/group/ j ourno= list?hl=3Den And remember : All posti ngs are off- t he- record . -- 00 1636c929b637a0080489el613b Content - Type : t ext/h t ml ; charset =windows -1 252 Content - Transfer - Encoding : quot ed- printable I would too -- I almos t never write in he r e , but I r ead i t all the t ime (an= d I &#39 ; ve never leaked a nything) . <div c la ss=3D '' gmail_ q uote '' >On Fri= , Jun 25 , 2010 a t 5 : 21 PM , Ben Adler & l t ; <a href= 3D "mailt= o : benad ler l @ gmail . com" >benadlerl@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote class=3D "gmail_quot e " s ty le= 3D "bo rde r -lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ); mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding-left : lex;'' >needless to say , = ive found the list t o be a n invaluable resource and wi ll be glad to join an= y futu re list . <div > <div ></div ><div class=3D" h5 " > <di v c la ss=3D "gmail_ quo t e ">On Fri , Jun= 25 , 2010 a t 5 : 19 PM, Michael Cohen & l t ; <a href= 3D "mailto=
: speechboy@mac . com" target=3D"_blank" >speechboy@mac . com</a>&gt ; wr ot= e : <blockquot e class=3D "gmail_quote " style=3D "borde r - lef t : l p x solid rgb (20 4 , = 204 , 204 ) ; mar gin : Opt Opt Opt 0 . 8ex ; padding- lef t : lex ;'' ><div style= 3D "wor= d - wrap : break- word;'' >BTW , I t hin k t he name fo r t he new Journolis t should be= JTPlist as in Japanese Tentac le Porn . <div> <div></div><div><div> <div><div>On Jun 25 , 20 1 0 , a t 5 : 18 PM, M i chael Coh= en wr ote : </div> <blockquote type=3D" cite "><div style=3D "word- wrap : break= - word;'' >Wow these q uotes Go ldberg got from Pos t r e po rte rs s hould be put in = a time capsule titled &quot ; Old Medi a&#39 ; s Last Gasps : &quot ; <div> </div><div>&quot ; Thi s is not jus t sour g rapes about t he sudden rise of t hese untrained kids , though I have to= t hink t hat some peop le in t he building r esen t t hem fo r bypassing the usual= way peop le r ise here . This is really abou t t he seria l stupidity of allow in= g t hese b loggers to trade on t he name of t he W ashingt on Pos t . &quot ; &quot ; It makes me crazy when I see t he se guys r efe rre d to as repo r t ers . = They&#39 ; re anyt hing but . And t hey hurt t he newsp a p e r when the y c laim to b= e repo r t ers . &quot ; &quot ; Ezra Klein is a t alen t e d guy , but he&# 39 ; s jus t an absolut e partisan . If t his is whe r e j ou r nalism ha s to go , so be it , = b ut I don&#39 ; t want to go t here . &quot ; &quot ; The lack of toi let - trai ning is r igh t . Eve ryone make s mistake s , b u= t you can mitigate t he number of mis takes t h r ough seasoning . Some people he= re are s till p ut t hrough seasoning , but o t he rs a r en&# 39 ; t . It shows , a nd
it=
&#39 ; s embarrassing . &quot ; <div><div><div> <div><div>On Jun 25 , 20 1 0 , a t 4 : 56PM, Steve Clemons wr o= t e : </div> <blockquote type=3D" cite " ><div>Jim Fallows a pparent l y spoke to= Goldberg : <a href= 3D '' http : //www . theatlantic . com/national/archive/20= 10/06/second - t hought s - on- dave-" target=3D "_ b lank "> h ttp : //www . theatlant ic . co= m/national/archive/20 10/06/second- t hough ts - on - da ve - </a> 
weigel/58767/ On 6/25/10 3 : 34 PM , &quo t ; David Roberts&quot ; &l t ; = <a href=3D "mailto : david . h . roberts@gmail . com " t arge t =3D "_ b lank" > david . h . r obe= r t s@gmail . com</a>&gt ; wrote : <blockquote type=3D '' ci t e '' > =AOFo rcing t = he l eaker to send a persona l note to t he foun de r of a new </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " >list saying &quot ; I want to be on t h= e list and I promise not to leak&quot ; is no t </blockquote> <blockquot e t = ype=3D '' ci t e '' >fool - proof , but as I keep saying , I t hink i t& #39 ; s a lot more = potent t han </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " >people g1ve i t credit for . </bloc= kq uote> <blockquote type= 3D " ci t e " = >On 6/25/2010 12 : 28 PM , Linds ay Beyerste in wrote : </blockquote> <blockquo= t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' >We don&#39 ; t know who t he leake r is . Wha t& # 39 ; s t = he point of s t arting a new </blockquo t e><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >list if t he saboteur can follow us to J- L = 2 . 0? Not t hat I &#39 ; m opposed to </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >s t arting a new list a nd purging t he j -l is t a rchives . If tha t& #39 ; s what = we </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " > end up doing , count me in . </blockquote></blockquote><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote> <blockquot e = t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite " >Lindsay Beyerstein </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><a h r ef= 3D "mailto : f rege= @ mac . com" t arget =3D " _bl a nk" >frege@mac . com</a> </blockquote> </blockquot e>= <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' >347 - 307 - 4974 </block= q uote> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > </bl ockquote> </bloc= kq uote><blockquote type=3D "cite "> </blockquot e=
></blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> </blo= ckquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> </bloc= kquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> On = Jun 25 , 2010 , a t 3 : 21 PM , Steve Clemons wrote : </bl ockquote> </blockquote= ><blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquote></bl ockquote><bl oc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">Lindsay tha t = is because t he sabot eur wants t o lie in wait for another </blockquote></= blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >opport uni ty t o take down someone . =AOActua ll y , if we kept g= oing , t his </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci= t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >person </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >who may have serial habi t s , may expose h i mse l f or herse l f . </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kq uote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">A new list ne= eds to be s t art ed, and we probably have to ha ve periodic </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e ">warnings t hat t here could be brea= ches , so don&#39 ; t pos t mat erial t hat </bl ockquote></bl oc kq uote> </blockq= uote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >you can&#39 ; t </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kq uote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">defend p ublic= ly . </blockquote>
</blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></bl ockquote></bloc kquote> <bl= ockq uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >On 6/25/10 3 :1 7 PM, &quot ; Lindsay Beyers t ein&q= uot ; &l t ; <a hre f =3D '' mail t o : frege@mac . com '' targe t=3D ''_ b l ank '' > f rege@ mac . com</= a>&gt ; wr ote : </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D'' ci t e '' > </bl ockquote></bloc kq uote> </b= lockq uote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "> <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Working at home in Brookl yn , I t hin k of j - lis t as= a vi r tual water </bloc kq uote> <bl= ockq uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > cooler and j - listers as my surrogat e col leagues . </bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl oc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type= 3D "cite ">It wou ld be a mistak= e to kill t he list because of a leak . Each of us </bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type= 3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e ">has a massive paper trail spannin= g b logs , youTube , tw i tter , I Ms , </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote><= / b lockq uote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >facebook, private email correspondence , lister=
vs o The pro b lem is </bl ockquote> </blockquote= ><blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " >
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<blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >tha t someone was out to get Dave , not j -l is t pe r se o </blockquote> </b= lockq uote></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' > </bl ockquote> </bloc= kq uote></blockquote></blockquot e><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " >Li ndsay Beyer= s t ein </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type= 3D "cite " ><bl ockquote type= 3D " = ci t e '' ><a h ref =3D '' mai l to : frege@mac ocom'' t arget=3D ''_ b l ank '' >frege@mac ocom </a><= br> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type= 3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type= 3D "c i te " >347 307= - 4974 </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t y= pe=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " ><blockquote t ype= =3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquo= t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type= 3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " > </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite " > <blockquote t = ype=3D " ci t e " >
On Jun 25 , 201 0 , a t 2 : 47 PM , Mark Thoma wrote : </blockquote> </bl ockquo t e= ></bl ockquo t e></bl ockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci= t e " ><bl ockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "> </bl ockquo t e></= b l ockquo t e> </bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >For me , t he lis t was invaluable . It helped me dai l y . Sitting in </= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >Oregon , t he re are very few , if any , s ubs t i t = utes f or t his . If t he </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">li st is reformed, and I=92m l u= cky enough t o be part of i t , I hope </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">people can find a way to use i= t t hat does not leav e t hem v ulnerable </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">to such attacks . The in f ormat i= on I got f rom t he lis t was essent ial =96 </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">I lea rn mo re he re than anywher= e else =96 and I t ried t o give back as I </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq=
uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">cou l d , but the debt is surely = one- sided . I hope it can be </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3 D"cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >resurrected somehow . </bloc= kq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl ockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3 D"c i te "> </b= lockquote> <blockquot e t = ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </b= lockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquot e t ype=3D " cite " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' >From : <a href= 3D "mailto= : journolis t @googlegroups . com" target=3D" _ b l ank "> journolis t @googlegroups . com= </a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e><b= lockquote t ype=3D " cite " > <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >[<a href= 3D '' mailto : journolis t@googlegroups . com= " t arget =3D " _b lank " >mailto : j ournolist@googlegroups . com</a>] On Behalf Of Ez= ra Klein </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">Sent : Friday , June 25 , 2010
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</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">To : <a h ref= 3D '' mail t o : journoli= s t @googlegroups . com" t arget =3D" _blank" >j ournolist@googlegroups . com</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci te ">Sub j ect : [ JournoList] J o urnoli= s t o ut </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e '' >I began J o urnolis t in February of 2007 . It was an idea born from <= /blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >disagreemen t . Weeks , or ma ybe months , earli= er , I had cri t icized J oe </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">Klein over some comments he rna= de about t he I raq War . He e - mailed a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">long and searching reply , and t he s ubsequent back- and- for t h was </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">
<blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">educationa l, I thin k, for us b= oth . Taking the conversat ion out of </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">the publ ic eye made it less de= f ensive , less about winning . It made </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">my future writing on the s ubje= c t better . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >The experience crys ta llized an idea I&#39 ; d been kicking around fo r s= ome </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">time . I was on all sorts of e- = mail lists , b ut none t hat qui t e got at </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">the dai l y work of my job : Foll= owing policy and poli t ical t rends in </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">both t he expert community and t he media . But I always knew how much 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">I was mi ssing . There were only= so many phone calls I could make in a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">day . The re were only so many t = imes when I knew t he right ques t ion t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">ask . By not t hin king of the ri= ght person t o int erv iew , or not asking </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">the righ t question when I got = t hem on t he phone , or not int ui t ing </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">tha t an economist wou ld have a= t erri f ic insight on t he elect ion , I </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >was leav ing insights on the t a= ble . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type=
3D " = ci t e " >That was t he t heory behind J ournolist : An insulated space where t he<b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >lure of a s ma rt , ongoing conversation would= encourage journalis t s , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">po licy experts , and assort ed o= t her observers t o share t heir insight s </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">with one another . The e ventual= irony o f t he lis t was t hat i t came t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">be v iewed as a secretive consp= iracy when , in f act , i t was always a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >fractious and freewheeling con= versat ion meant t o open t he report er - </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">source re la tionship to a wider= a udience . </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e>
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >At t he beginning , I set t wo rules for t he membership . The first was<b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >t he easy one : No one who wor ked for the gov = ernment in any capaci t y </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >cou l d j oin . The second was t he= hard one : The membership would range </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">from nonpartisan to liberal , c= ent er t o le ft . I didn&#39 ; t like t hat </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">ru le, but I t hought it necessa= ry : There would be no free </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">conversation in a forum where = people had clear incent ives t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">embarrass each other . A bipart = isan lis t would be a more formal </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">
<blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">debating society . Plus , as Liz= Mair notes , t here were plenty of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">conservative l ist servs , and I = knew of military list servs , and </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">hea l t h-care po l icy list servs , = and feminist list servs . Most of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">these projects limited members= hip to facilitate a particular sort of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">conversation . It didn&#39 ; t st = rike me as a big deal to follow their </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">examp l e . </bloc kquote> </blo= ckquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> <blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">But over the years , = Journolist grew , and as it grew , its relative </bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e>
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >excl usivi t y became more infamous , and its conversations became </b= lockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >porous . The leaks never bothe red me , t hough= . What I didn&#39 ; t expect </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">was t ha t someone a member of t = he lis t , or someone given access by a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">member of t he li st , wou ld t raw= 1 t hrough t he archiv es t o assemble a </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">dossier on one particu lar memb= er and embarrass him . But t hat &#39 ; s what </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">happened to Dave Weigel . </= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite ">In a
co= lumn about St anley McChrystal today , David Brooks ta lks about </blockquo= t e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >t he union of elect ronic text , unhe ra l ded t ransparency , 2= 4/7 media , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">and a cu l ture that has not yet = sett led on new r ules for what is , and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">isn&#39 ; t , private , and what i= s , and isn&#39 ; t , newswort hy . &quot ; The exposure </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">etho s , with its relentless emp= hasis on des t roying privacy and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">exposing impurities , has chase= d good people f rom public life , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">undermined public faith in ins= t i tut ions and eleva t ed t he t rivial </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">over t he important , &quot ; he w= ri t es . 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >There&#39 ; s a lot of faux - int imacy on t he web . Readers like that <= /blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >int imacy , or at lea st some of them do . But = i t &#39 ; s dangerous . A </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >newspaper co l umn is public , an= d wri t ers t reat i t as such . So t oo is </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >a b log . But Twitter? It&# 39 ; s = p ublic , b ut i t f eels , somehow , looser , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >safer . Facebook is less p ublic= t han Twi tter , and f eels even more </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >intima te . A private e - mail lis= t is not p ublic , b ut i t is </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " >
<blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >e l ectronica ll y archived t ext , = and it is prot ect ed only by a password </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">fie l d and t he goodwill of t he = members . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >We&#39 ; ve not quite decided on how to handl e t h is expl osion of </b= lockquote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >information about peopl e we&#39 ; re interest= ed in . A newspaper reporter </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >opposing t he Afghanistan war i= n a news s tory is doing something </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">improper . A newspaper report er= t elling his wife he opposes the war </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D'' cite '' >is being perfectly proper .
If=
someone had been surreptitiously 
</bl ockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >taping t ha t reporter&#39 ; s con= versat ions wi t h his wife , t here&#39 ; d be no </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >doubt t ha t was a violation of = privacy , and t he gat hered remarks and </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >observations were illegi t imat e= . If a bat ch o f t hat report er&#39 ; s e - </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >mail s were obtained and f orwar= ded along? People are less sure what </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >to do about it . </blockquo t = e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> </blockquo t e>= </blockquo t e> <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " >It was ironic , in a = way , t hat i t would be t he Daily Caller t ha t </blockquote> </blockquo t e></= blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type=
3D " = ci t e " >published e - mai ls from J ournolist . A few weeks ago, i ts edi tor , </= b lockq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Tucker Ca r l son , asked if he could join t he = list . Aft er asking all of </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">you , I said no, tha t the r ules= had wor ked so fa r t o protect people , </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type=3 D"c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">and t he memb e rs weren& #39 ; t co= mfor t able changing t hem . He tried to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">change my mind , a nd I offered, = instead , to partner with Car lson to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">start a b i p a rt isan lis t serv . = Tha t d i d n&#39 ; t interest him . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "> </blockquote> </blockquot e>= </blockquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >In any case , Journolis t is done now . I&#39 ;ll dele t e the group shortl = y 
</bl ockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >aft er I send t hi s out . Tha t&#39 ; s not becau= se J o urnolis t was a bad idea , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">or anyone on it did anyt hing w= rong . It was a wonderful , chaot ic , </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D'' cite '' >educationa l discu ssion . I&# 39 ; = m proud o f having s t art ed i t , grat eful t o </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">have participated in it , and I = have no doub t t hat someone else will </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">reform it , with many of the sa= me members , and keep i t going . But </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">insofar as its archives have b= ecome a weapon , and people&#39 ; s careers </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e "><blockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite ">are at stake , it has to die . <b= r></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bloc kquote type=
3D " = ci t e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > Thanks = fo r e veryt hing , </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </bl= ockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " > </blockquote> </b= lockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote><= blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e= " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Ezra Klein </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockqu= ote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " ><blockquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " > The Washington Post/Newsweek </blockquote></bl ockquote></blockquote> </bl= ockquote></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " ><= blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e= " >Col umni s t </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite " >11 50 1 5th St . NW </blockquo= t e></blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e><bl ockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " ><bl ockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >Washingt on , DC 20071 </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </bloc= kquote>
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 </blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >Twi tter : <a h ref= 3D '' h ttp : //www . t wi tter . com/= ezraklein " t arget =3D " _blank" >http : //www . twitter . com/ezraklein</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Wonkbook : <a h ref= 3D " h ttp : //ww= w. washingt ponpos t . com/wonkbook" t arget =3D "_ b lank" > h ttp : //www . washingt ponpos= t . com/wonkbook</a> </bl ockquo t e></bl ockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <bl ockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite " > <blockq= uo t e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >-- </blockquote> </blockquo t = e></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite " ><bloc kq uote type= 3D " = ci t e " >You received t his message because you are subscribed to the Google <br= ></blockquo t e> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=
3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >Groups &quot ; J ou r nolis t&quo t ; group . </b= lockq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >To post t o t his group , send email to <a hre= f=3D '' mailto : journolist@googlegroups . com'' t a rge t=3D ''_ b lank'' > journolis t @googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">To unsubscribe from this group= , send email to </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><a h r ef= 3D '' mailto : journolis t - u= nsubscri be@googlegr oups . com" target=3D" _ b lank" >j ou r nolis t unsubscri be@googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">For mo r e opt ions , v isi t t his g= r oup a t </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><a h r ef= 3D '' h ttp : //gr oups . googl= e . com/group/journolist?hl=3Den " target=3D " b lank" > h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/= group/journolis t ?hl=3Den</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><blockquote type= 3D "c i t e "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite ">And r ememb e r : All postings are= off- t he- reco rd . 
</blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "> </bl ockquote> </blockquote>= </blockquote> </blockquote></blockquot e><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquot = e><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >You received t h is message because you are s ubs= cribed to t he Google </blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote= ></blockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite ">Groups &quot ; Journol= ist&quot ; group . </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote></bloc kq uote> </b= lockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite ">To post to this grou= p , send email to <a href=3D"mail t o : j ourno l ist@googl egroups . com" target= 3D " = blank '' >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">To unsubscribe from this group= , send email to </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "><a h ref= 3D '' mailto : journolis t - u= nsubscribe@googlegroups . com" ta rget =3D" _ b l ank ">j ourno l ist uns ubscribe@googl= egroups . com</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote>
<blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">For more options , visit t his g= roup a t </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite "><a h ref= 3D '' http : //groups . googl= e . com/group/journolis t ? hl=3Den " ta rget =3D "_ b l ank "> h ttp : //groups . google . com/= group/journolist?hl=3Den</a> </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" cite ">And reme mber : All postings are= off- t he- record . </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote></bl ockquote> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e "><bl ockquote type=3D "cite "> <blockq= uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquote>= <blockquote t ype=3D " ci t e " > <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " >-- </blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote></bl ockquote><bloc kquote t y= pe=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D" ci t e " > <blockquote= t ype=3D " ci t e " > You received t his message because you are subscribed to t he Google </blo= ckquote></blockquote></blockquot e></blockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " ><b= lockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t e " = >Groups </blockquote></blockquot e></blockquot e></bl ockquote><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquot e type=3D "cite "><bl oc kquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >&quot ; Journolis t &quot ; group . </bl ockquote></bl ockquote> </blockquo= t e> </blockquote> <blockquote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e type=3D '' cite '' ><bl ockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquote t ype=3D" ci t e " >To pos t t o t h is group , send e mail to <a
href= =3D '' mailto : journolist@googlegroups . com'' t arget =3D ''_ b lank'' > journolis t @google= groups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >To unsubscri be from t his group , send email t o </bloc kquote> </block= q uote> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><a h r ef= 3D "mail to : j o= ur nolist - unsubscri be@goog legroups . com'' t a rge t=3D ''_ b lank'' >j ournolis t unsubsc= r i be@googlegr oups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >For more op tions , visit t his group a t </blockquote> </blockquot e></= b lockq uote> </blockquot e><blockquote type=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "> <blockquot = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D" cite "><a h r ef= 3D '' http : //gr oups . google . c= om/gr oup /jour nolist? hl=3Den " target=3D" _ b lank" > h ttp : //gr oups . google . com/gro= up /jour nolist?hl=3Den</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " ><blockquote type= 3D "cite "><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " >And remember : All postings are off - t he - r eco rd . </bl ockquote> </bloc= kq uote> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " > </blockquote></blockquote></blockquote> <bl= ockq uote t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t e " >= -- </blockquot e> </blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D '' cite '' ><blockquote type= 3D " ci t = e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" cite " >You received t his me ssage because you are subs= cribed to t he Google </blockquote> <blockquot e = t ype=3D " ci t e " >
<blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' >Groups &quo t ; J o urnolis t = &quo t ; group . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite ">To post to t his = group , send email t o <a href=3D"mail t o : j ournolist@googlegroups . com" t arget = =3D "_blank " >journolis t @googlegroups . com</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e ">To unsubscribe from this group , s= end email t o </blockquot e></blockquot e></blockquote><blockquote type= 3D " = ci t e " > <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' ><a h ref= 3D '' mail t o : journ= olis t - uns ubscribe@googlegroups . com'' t arget=3D ''_ b lank'' >j ournolist uns ubscrib= e@googlegroups . com</a> </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote> <blockquo t = e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' ><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' >For mo re options , v isi t = t his group a t </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote><bl oc kquote t ype= =3D " ci t e " ><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " ><blockquote type=3D "cite "><a href= 3D "h t = t p : //groups . google . com/group/ j ournolis t ?hl=3Den " target=3D "_ blank" > h ttp : //g= roups . google . com/group/ j ournolis t ?hl =3Den</a> </blockquo t e></blockquot e></blockquot e><blockquote type=3D '' cite '' > <blockquo t = e t ype=3D " ci t e " ><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e ">And remember : All postings are of= f - t he- record . </blockquot e></blockquote></blockquote><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= " ci t e " > <blockquo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' > </blockquote></blockquote><bloc kquote t ype= 3D= '' ci t e '' > </blockquot e><blockquot e t ype=3D '' cite '' >-- </bl ockquote> <block= q uo t e t ype=3D '' ci t e '' >You received t his message because you are s ubscribed t o= t he Google Groups </blockquo t e><blockquot e t ype=3D" ci t e " >&quot ; Journo li st&quot ; group . </b= lockquo t e><blockquo t e t ype=3D" ci t e " >To post to t hi s group , send email to <a= hre f =3D "mail t o : journolis t @googlegroups . com" target=3D "_ b lank" > journolis t @g= ooglegroups . com</a> 
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>> cooler and j - listers as my surrogate co lleagues . >>

>> >> Lindsay Beyers t ein

>> f rege@mac . com >> >> 347 - 307 - 4974

>> On Jun 25 , 2010 , at 2 : 47 PM , M ark Thoma wrote : >>

>> to such a ttacks . The information I got f r om t he li st was essent ial = 96

>> res urrect ed somehow . >>

>> Sent : Friday , June 25 , 2010 11 : 35 AM >>

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