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stard get lethal inject your person human life base sole statist approach you so und unswerv adher outweigh fuck peopl found risk accept you like die plane crash even electr blender you execut innoc person that risk accept ideal moral system such risk accept accept fudg factor such approxim ideal keith alt.atheism polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write that peop l approv death penalti even realiz shortcom doesn thi make reason you sole judg reason reveng merit you find capit punish talk major peopl that support that rev eng fair peopl favor punish murder punish peopl that that deserv peopl wouldn fa ir for murder live victim di reveng petti and pathet perhap you that petti and p athet your view minor local televis hot topic talk show that recent segment capi t punish each and advoc us thi portion system jurisprud cite main reason for sup port that bastard deserv true human compass forgiv and sympathi requir compass f orgiv and sympathi wrong will great length make that advantag remov similar situ at forc kill anoth can appli golden rule and kill thi person turn not entir mora l system base such concept you state that human life sacr and that never violat thi sound sort religi view mean reason imprison you person releas found innoc yo u can undo imiprison that serv perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost simi lar implant sort electron devic you aliv prison dead chair onc crimin commit mur der desir irrelev and you not answer question you concern death penalti due poss ibl execut innoc isn thi concern share imprison shouldn your logic administ mini mum punish avoid violat liberti happi innoc person keith alt.atheism polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write kill thi person innoc person convict murder murder commit not murder wouldn consid murder reason introduc fudg factor account for inabl total object due lack absolut tru e inform societi collect decid carri burden execut citizen carri blame for innoc blood each and voter cast ballot favor capit punish part guilti murder each and innoc victim system peopl favor system blame societi accept such system each me mber societi blame innoc person get execut that not favor work convinc and membe r societi accept blame consid risk accept similarli person drive accept blame fo r fatal traffic accid thi that sure happen peopl drive question risk accept like that innoc person will kill drive that will execut keith alt.atheism don innoc die death penalti articl psilink psilink jame tim writ e maintain class and even prison place innoc peopl higher risk unjust death stat e execut class and occasion error answer posit that place peopl prison for life that depend not predisposit murder success rate escap and abil commit crime word lifetim imprison doesn work perhap not not execut peopl not care lock bob beauc hain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism ancient islam ritual articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monas h edu fred rice write propos that two trend greater level gener depress societi and psycholog problem and greater sexual promiscu link prime cannot provid evid thi thi stage thesi reason and request that peopl ponder damn you can provid evi d for rare widespread social phenomenon reduc such simpl premis psycholog hard s cienc roughli mathemat sound physic your premis like that reflect your social an d religi background your valid your religi belief pretend answer and don that xe nophobia guilt and intoler brought adher fundamentalist religion plai larg role depress member societi your mileag vari bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that que en stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism polit atheist articl apr blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write t hat innoc person kill sens bad feel that punish for singl murder reform system r educ number death produc system not back system even introduc singl extra death bob that bad sens somewhat stronger you argument that sole purpos death penalti kill peopl that primari and argu purpos continu kill peopl practic that almost u til you you will kill innoc unconscion exist prison system and transport system base merit societi not detriment will accept lost innoc live overwhelm benefit c ontinu exist system stretch evid and argument make claim for capit punish case w asn clear maintain capit punsih system that kill innoc peopl and net posit gain you pin corner and respond that don belief state life won open that debat tire t hi thread bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank ma nhattan sea

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t log your ey you remov splinter your neighbor ey sage advic sincer raymond ingl ingl engin umich edu appl hour doctor kliban alt.atheism polit atheist keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write mathew mathew manti write perhap shouldn impris peopl watch close cost similar i mplant sort electron devic wait commit crime not implant such devic potenti crim in communist and atheist don follow your reason you propos punish peopl commit c rime justif you for thi mathew propos public defenc mechan not treat electron de vic improprieti wearer that step you propos perman bug potenti crimin thi not su rfac sound bad thing defin potenti crimin govern dai decid that member opposit p arti make you potenti crimin openli defi govern becom lethal practic thi not con duc free societi mathew that implant electron surveil devic peopl improprieti th at person type crime chanc recidiv basic you crimin justic system punish for off end and possibl deterr futur offend mathew see mean rehabilit for offend cynic y ou jeff alt.atheism satan articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write na nci ann miller write corrupt and theori pretti weak comparison current hebrew te xt version and translat show that text fact chang space two millennia thi should n that supris peopl text thi manner like make pain make good copi king jame mate wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god john burk jdb summa tamu edu alt.atheism islam marriag date tue apr gmt karner karner austin ibm articl a pr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write articl qav austin ibm karner austin ibm kar ner write you want name name offici record pseudo marriag perform for conveni ha ppen typic that woman will move lover scrupl legal contract speak man util looph ol enter into temporari religi marriag contract order sex complain care perhap y ou alert your imam that thi practic widespread you take muslim men wit penetr de cid practic exist you astound level ignor you displai muslim not allow enter tem porari marriag that evid for outlaw practis your fact straight buddi give refer for you ly not widespread you fantasis fact contrari your fantasi not practis mu slim you miss post thi topic quot indonesian handbook and fred rice comment temp orari marriag will glad repost will you accept that practic muslim will you cont inu claim that ly and that not practis muslim don karner that ly sinc you noth t hi practic you can contribut discuss accus ly perhap your ignor show learn islam learn muslim open your ey you will thing atheist alt.atheism don innoc die death penalti articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write kill wrong you kill will punish you punish will kill you lack c onsist not hold peopl will wrong you hold peopl will will punish you punish will hold you your will punish isn privat person anoth privat person for appar reaso n lead punish fine suppos jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi l ippard arizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson alt.atheism visit jehovah wit articl kmr cwru edu kmr cwru edu keith ryan wr ite articl suopanki apr stekt oulu suopanki stekt oulu heikki suopanki write god etern jesu god jesu etern thi work logic and mathemat god set thing etern jesu subset god jesu belong set thing etern premis and conclus not properli translat ident statement sinc statement predic ident translat predic letter design god an d design jesu and predic letter for properti etern premis and conclus second pre mis appear ident case can properli symbol your remark that jesu subset god sugge st that strict ident not desir premis mean that member make set god properti ete rn conclus follow jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard a rizvm bitnet univers arizona tucson alt.atheism visit jehovah wit articl chrisb baarni chrisb tafe edu chri bell write jbrown batman bmd trw write syllog form thi logic valid construct your sy llog form logic invalid construct and your comment don appli ident syllog valid predic second syllog invalid syllog you point valid whether predic design indivi du jim lippard lippard ccit arizona edu dept philosophi lippard arizvm bitnet un ivers arizona tucson alt.atheism soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout student write ro ger colin shous write radic gai dogma claim not claim claim know doesn twenti in stanc thi kind muddlehead fourth reich sophistiqu shit post fact not instanc cou nt reproduc viru you word question thi respons weasel shous and stan krieger pos

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big file such stuff misplac diskett last coupl month effort bobbi replenish quic kli recent favorit satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu alt.atheism visit jehovah wit good grief articl mimsi umd edu mango umd edu charlei wingat write amount energi spent lousi syllog volum for true posit reaso n thi group agre spend energi nonexist god satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu alt.atheism evo homosexu princeton etc bill had clear thi good evolutionari argument homosexu don qualifi articl vwn darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum os rh edu bill conner write wainwright eczcaw mip nott wrote delet odd homosexu had evolutionari function delet time man sex woman intend produc children hmm world overpopul you monti python song sperm sacr and you purpos mean limit popul grow th your arguement natur context talk evolutionari function basic requir evolut t hat member speci procreat don purpos that context guess social insect ant bee et c breed queen and passel steril worker huh dai ain true peopl can decid whether not children and will choos sex that anoth arguement lifestyl decis your argueme nt sinc homosexu can not choos not reproduc akin peopl decid sex not children un natur each anoth sequitur sex evolutionari function that exist for procreat that recreat incident that homosexu don procreat mean that sex recreat and noth serv evolutionari purpos refer you bonobo speci primat closelei relat human chimpanz e that close sex time homosexu heterosexu group find food sex sleep night sex es cap fight prdator sex sex serv import social function and reproduct thi speci sp eci close relat human indic that sex perform social function human even not thi show that such function not imposs sincer rai ingl ingl engin umich edu meek can earth rest star robert heinlein alt.atheism vonnegut atheism yesterdai chanc hear kurt vonnegut speak univer s hampshir vonnegut succeed isaac asimov honorari head american humanist associ vonnegut atheist and asimov asimov funer vonnegut stood and asimov heaven ignit uproari laughter room peopl speak time funer funniest thing possibl room full hu manist vonnegut yesterdai lectur vonnegut come speak your univers highli recomme nd even you never read novel opinion greatest live humorist greatest live humani st humorist peac dana alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash ed u fred rice write clarifi muslim mean muslim gener call muslim and not outwardli profess clear contradict essenti teach islam consid muslim thing contrari islam ignor for exampl not suddenli not becom muslim knowingli transgress islam teach and essenti principl leav islam you and bobbi sit and decid exactli islam post zlumber not muslim evil muslin can evil evil suffer temporari athiesm member cla im muslim stori straight satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb is c rit edu alt.atheism request for support articl apr sei cmu edu dpw sei cmu edu david wood write you respond articl includ similar answer question pose you charlei c halleng agre satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu alt.atheism bill conner articl mlr darksid osrh uoknor edu bil okcforum osrh edu bill conner write you explain thi pertain thi posit statement type practic and you name you thi relat and bill you explain pertain thi posit statement type practic satan and angel not freewil god tell mozumd snm ultb isc rit edu alt.atheism soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout articl jvigneau apr ulowel edu jvigneau ulowel edu joe vigneau write bsa taught don toler met th i gui thought gai fari bsa taught antibigot give testimoni experi scout back iss u wasn gai principl for put testimoni stan krieger and kind thi discuss doesn be long and intoler accept posit scout notic bsa hijack religi core valu surviv spi te leadership and scout and scout haven testimoni thi remind that scout worth fi ght for cautionari note you realiz that your experi thi camp leader bsa you put risk public word leak bsa gestapo bill mayn alt.atheism soc motss princeton ax match fund for boi scout wainwright eczca w mip nott wrote jim thought that homophob word us act ralli didn beleiv real pe opl us agre term definit homophob activ and militantli attack homosexu latent ho mosexu hostil conceal true orient sinc disapprov condemn homosexu homophob your implic clear necessarili follow that men latent homosexu bisexu crap crap crap c

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tul system perfectli judg situat action consist system not wrong you object goal system not inher that you want defin object system postul determin observ don t hat thi good definit object system you learn english graviti object system can l earn and perform experi will result person perform experi graviti inher system y ou don excess inform observ determin object determin guilt innoc inher system ag re that moral not necessarili inher you state that evolutionari basi thi not mea n that cannot object theori thi natur moral not object system evidenc your comme nt lion and mine perhap can object not inher note practic relat mate ritual etc anim like consid immor previou definit natur law revis order sinc class activ su rround mate pose gener problem and fact that postul determin outsid sort higher truth sort god not that god for object system that you you seen that you object notion object system perhap you that impli inher necessit sort grand design clas sifi behavior anim line moral system for anim commit act rule ethic don perhap n ot intellig immor and perhap you defin moral system code ethic basic defin undes ir behavior etc immor behavior unwant unproduct destruct etc depend goal system that immor end keith alt.atheism polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order surviv wai t talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and such natu r system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai order for human thrive live group your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wild difficult human social anim and that success and order for gr oup function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you and po int that speci conduct serv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exa mpl moral system goal propog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relation ship not moral order ensur propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral for that matter herd hor s domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral s hoot figur foot mate practic reexamin keith alt.atheism polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human t hi mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir behavior keith alt.atheism polit atheist sandvik newton appl kent sandvik write you explain sudden violent behavior human be your theori state that human detach primit beh avior violent and moralist human becom correct understand wrong you thi bifurc p oint madman kill peopl roof campu you explain your theori explain such situat ma dmen mad explain output broken comput not keith alt.atheism polit atheist bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain write show that exampl and provid not counter exampl your suppos inher moral hypothesi you succ essfulli argu that domest remov alter thi moral that domest will chang behavior larg degre domest anim exhibit behavior not found wild don that can view good re pres wild anim kingdom sinc bred for thousand year produc behavior etc keith alt.atheism polit atheist mmwang adob michael wang write type o definit you will note read punish inanim object incap show merci you can not that merciless punish cruel you miss stuff paren you read definit transf transfer sens and fig figur thing can cruel sampl text definit includ not thy cruell nail pluck poor e y and puni man centr cruel and frown univers nail can cruel imagin nail your ey pain thi not impli that painless death cruel you suppos show keith alt.atheism year can that christian moral sfnntrc wbo lruk andrew cmu edu da vid sacco dsav andrew cmu edu write ton mail move thi discuss alt religion mac f eel that life joke bob dylan you happi dai your life you wouldn human you game s how host movi heather lectur lek chur process note professor becom note student pass mind michael cobb and won rais tax middl univers illinoi class pai for prog ram champaign urbana bill clinton debat cobb alexia li uiuc edu tax and spend cu t billion dollar deficit alt.atheism year can that christian moral qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write articl pww spac rice edu pww spacsun rice edu peter walker write ar ticl qie fkt horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer wrote object moral moral built obje ct valu object valu come can measur mediat thair interact real world moralon sca lar valuino field scienc real world basi valu not round you such thing object sc

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hat tidbit want write can such document bibl you want religi aren plausabl book bibl written multipl author repeatedli contradict each minut tell you kill your kid talk back and not kill that xtian want follow deiti pick that can consist un lik last invent for peopl jesu son god didn god not put you that didn god not ma ke symbol idol cross don you that you fact bibl that you track jesu illiter didn write honestli hope that peopl bibl understand that religi text and that poorer qualiti boot reason xtianiti escap middl east roman wine poison lead made rome xtian bad dream thi post person person stand streetcorn and tell peopl hell will happi hatr and snap judgement can guid your robot life clayton forest mad scien tist alt.atheism polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write contridict you want good question claim gener trend disprov thi guess you show that not gener trend you claim you prove cold fusion provid exampl show th at trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that c ase disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin find immor mate re lat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case that natur system can object deduc goal speci propog mind not equat two you tha t object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system o bject moral system that anim follow natur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subset object sinc homosexu observ anim includ b ird and dolphin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor is n harm isn help mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you m ean bisexu can determin end moral you claim group impli entiti thi standard jarg on read textbook form us that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal aren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green chees and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ can build m athemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and deg re angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true don your p ostul valid guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your postul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal keith alt.atheism member articl hiew portal videocart dfuller portal videocart dav e fuller write start read thi group todai and larg particip daili post like sect ion faq construct logic argument atheist not turn peopl into atheist figur peopl don care view come wrong will admit possibl religi follow dont capabl happi abo ard dave fuller dfuller portal videocart offici keeper list nicknam that peopl a lt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post art icl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you copeland go d dead and actor plai part sting word fear will find place your heart histori vo ic reason faith curs will teach freedom past thing can wors noth alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl hkv epv blaze jhu edu arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write judaism for maddi confirm thi for and reiter that can easili leav religion time simpli make public declar lazi that religion cannot held respons islam countri public renou nc islam can quit danger countri not you necessarili practic true islam danger r emain cannot blame failur public renounc islam lazi oppos desir stai aliv and yo u plan pull rushdi declar leav religion concern compar plan rushdi case discuss can tragic that islam countri thi islam countri constitut contain statement that islam law incorpor kuwait can freeli make such statement fear not mention that point that rushdi book that not muslim and sure reader book provid number wit th i stori becom tiresom condit clear you care make your point clear make chronolog and show that had made public statement leav islam prior write tsv make such st atement made that clear rejoin islam talk person feel gregg alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard ne wnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote khomenei jerk and plenti british leader qur basi judgement khomenei heret standard qur end stori you specif exac tli khomanei heret and jerk judg koran like for gui noth contrari teach koran to ld iranian research student that share offic easi and conveni for you denounc fe el that your view not clear cut and wide accept you suggest made thi clear will khomeini put price head anoth countri thi make jerk intern outlaw khomeini advoc

view that seri twelv islam leader twelv imam free error sin thi make heret qur muhammad chastis for error directli god qur that muhammad greatest exampl proper islam behavior muslim free error usual almost islam viewpoint muslim perhap you thi case widespread agreement matter islam viewpoint issu not islam and thi for larg group peopl name come back koran imprecis word qur not imprecis word true that interpret interpret word entir text qur make mean precis for intellig peopl free power lust come agreement gregg alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard ne wnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote slightli incongru find union jac k fly citi hall belfast not british want big expens problem that major popul wan t problem that major can open mouth public perhap quit alot incent for british c ontrol north channel and irish sea wast dump appal dump harbor belfast understan d that quit alot radioact enter water quit problem independ britain and stop acc ept wast you suggest that british industri isn make profit situat gregg alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard ne wnham write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote you explain qur your ey carri ex cess baggag anoth era qur opinion carri such baggag run modern economi charg int erest loan hear even fundamentalist iran compromis thi ideal sort loan and you h eard exactli gregg alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl apr bradford newnham bradford leonard newnh am write gregg jaeger jaeger buphi edu wrote and western countri isn legal conce pt not slightest bit pertin topic british author live unit kingdom protect briti sh law forget govern superior entiti religi organ forgiv gun higher law thi dege ner zumder logic govern superior entiti elect peopl religi leader not perhap not christian islam choic religi leader made peopl for your superior argument peopl trust make law repres higher law that democraci democraci basic element islam l earn that notic that call fundamentalist algeria repress secular govern won free and democrat elect gregg alt.atheism free moral agenc articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico tek robert be auchain write bobb vice ico tek robert beauchain subject free moral agenc date a pr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write test ement satan rare mention huh doesn sda bibl book job thi suffer world caught int h crossfir and sometim innoc teh guilti hurt that opinion and hope clear thing y our omnipot and omnisci god splainin creat satan for shit and giggl bob beauchai n bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea didn never mention satan rare excus for lack perfect memori omnipot tammi soori sound cran ki apoplog feel hurt alt.atheism note bobbi articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mar k mccullough write mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough subject note bobbi da te wed apr gmt articl apr monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write madhausc ckip netcom madhau netcom maddi hausmann write mark you vegetarian diet problem not vitamin balanc protein vitamin that cannot obtain anim product and thi concern vegan eat meat dairi egg and problem supplement for vegan come anim product you ovo lacto vegetarian diet eat dairi and egg thi not issu didn origin post vegetarian diet that close friend devout vegetarian and vitamin supplement think long time sinc read articl onc talk special dietari vegetarian didn quot full number nice thi place can come grain rice understand brand australia and pl ace tablet grain rice you aren enrich type basic rice and soybean almost you had n heard rice thought contribut issu norm you contribut program thread earlier fr ed rice daric yoyo monash edu vegan vegetarian taht eat anim product egg milk ch ees etc year vegan diet you start take supplement found anim acut bodi make bodi us year lacto oveo vegetarian milk product and egg don supplement and post cont ridict mish mash knowledg glean tammi alt.atheism moral polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient c ochran write you that isn for instinct act moral that order for act act moral pe rson immor action disregard that order for act moral immor that impli intellig n ot instinct that action not you keith

alt.atheism moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act a nd happi listen for exampl instinct not murder that order for act act moral pers on immor action disregard weaker that possibl that organ not peopl talk can alte rn intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic and emphasi you place intellig a nim speci kill each arbitarili don you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig keith alt.atheism moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don expect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can ass ign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavio r that doesn work moral immor case that moral remnant evolut moral system base c oncept practic anim kingdom you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit term can hope discuss perfectli clear that th at moral system that can speak for peopl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev y ou can share discuss keith alt.atheism cruel polit atheist sdoe nmsu edu stephen doe write time that de ath penalti cruel unusu will outlaw present peopl don thi thi fellow speak objec t natur moral suppos that major decid slaveri longer immor not claim that system object keith alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vic ker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fat wa issu khomeini not relev you can understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not complet excus fatwa issu khomeini relev doesn liv e iran issu khomeini shouldn relev issu honest and learn scholar islam relev mus lim contrari islam law muslim requir respect that decid whether rushdi behavior excus suffici vers islam law and capabl reason you talk weak sens excus depend s ens excus you mind and care you inexcus think opinion import you don care care t hat you don care gregg alt.atheism free moral agenc and kent articl sandvik sandvik kent appl sandv ik newton appl kent sandvik write sandvik newton appl kent sandvik subject free moral agenc and kent date thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wrote ezekiel your hart fill pride your beauti you corrupt your wisdom for sake your splendor cast you ground and expos you helpless curiou gaze king for you bibl scholar you knowthat vers refer princ tyre thi prophesi and address human princ vers refer king tyre term for satan tammi rational conne ct princ tyre satan you give ration bibl cite afraid that thi not case your thin k model fall apart hous card cheer kent sandvik newton appl alink ksand privat a ctiv net time ezekiel written israel apostaci and not mistaken tyre make war isr ael princ tyre human ruler tyre wick man call satan king tyre ezekiel that satan real ruler tyre don interpret neccessarili orthodox christian christian bibl co mmentari interpret king tyre refer satan haven read ezekiel throughli long time tammi alt.atheism free moral agenc and jeff clark articl dfc dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write dbstu benedikt rosenau subject free moral agenc and jeff clark dat e thu apr gmt articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali wri te delet you million suffer for adam and pretti sick creat univers gonna respond give small theologi lesson forgiv us theologi major that thi planet involv cosm ic struggl great controversi betwe christ and satan borrow book titl god interes t entir univers make decis delet univers creat can you tyrann creatur like your definit your god creat satan full knowledg happen includ choic satan can you exp lain free will and omnisci didn your god that happen even creat world concern ty rant care fine for that idea come possibl abus power your god introduc your desc ript you that you read faq part preach benedikt don feel that preach answer peop l question and talk religion belief come post don intent convert don expect for atheist thi newsgroup grain salt state belev believeit and and that preach soori and soapbox tammi alt.atheism pompou ass arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that m ade nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing that bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing german

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newsgroup bacaus don exactli you you convert atheist you fail miser posit const antli defend agaist insult attack you you blind that you didn messga quot tammi alt.atheism death penalti polit atheist articl vice ico tek bobb vice ico te k robert beauchain write articl apr leland stanford edu rush leland stanford edu voelkerd write worri case innoc man convict horribl warrant death penalti and p ut law into place make virtual imposs execut real crimin death penalti not serv origin purpos chang don number back thi accordingli you us cuff number innoc peo pl sentenc die accept loss for benefit capit punish surpris ratio that low appro xim dozen case execut innoc sinc turn centuri that period sentenc peopl death ac count for case that don truth reason assum that twice that innoc peopl fact exec ut that rais number death sentenc meter sinc half million for your accept ratio hold doubt that case point accept loss not even that perhap find solut bob beauc hain bobb vice ico tek suggest solut realiz hand natur number us and can answer accept loss rate anoth post despis idea support crimin for life econom situat th at concern monei spent feed cloth hous and take care peopl demonstr that unfit l ive societi number place and worthwhil and enrish live american give peopl job g ive homeless shelter number thing clyde girl butterfli don reason robert heinlei n alt.atheism thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write book that jesu liar crazi modern dai koresh convinc religi fantasi time that messiah rebe l leader that organis jew built into godhood for purpos throw yoke roman oppress reason wouldn liar follow die for lie moslem fanat strap bomb back and drive in to jewish embassi dy for truth hint nazi soldier wwii dy for truth peopl die for li time wouldn peopl liar peopl hitler liar napoleon mussolini ronald reagan sp end million dollar year find techniqu detect ly answer wouldn liar li thing gath er and gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl you heal peopl bibl god doesn e xist possibl bibl not divin inspir and can us piec evid written unbias observ ni ether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl hitler mussol ini lunat genghi khan jim jone thousand exampl histori peopl drawn lunat drawn d avid koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing cannot rule lia r lunat not mention possibl not thi triad thing note fulfil load propheci psalm isaiah and hr alon thi betray possibl fulfil propheci awar order fulfil propheci possibl select dite behalf keeper holi bibl for thousand year gener public had access possibl that text written such riddl nostradamu that that happen can twis t fit word rave fiction propheci and crucifixion don bibl thi moment time write will us stuff hard christian delet sever recommend you reconsid reason you chris tian unconvinc unbias observ jeff alt.atheism polit atheist articl ajinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kmr cwru edu keith ryan write chimp almost human th i mean that chimp moral will chimp system live social group law dictat undesir b ehavior verb warn that back kindergarten such law jon alt.atheism thought bissda saturn wwc edu dan lawrenc bissel write want star t and that christian shouldn involv bit delet book that jesu liar crazi modern d ai koresh reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl liar peopl gather a nd gather hear had heal call fool heal peopl niether lunat entir nation drawn cr azi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn david koresh fool logic peopl thi sinc w asn liar lunat real thing righto dan thi your cornflak book that muhammad liar c razi modern dai mad mahdi reason wouldn liar follow die for lie wouldn peopl lia r peopl gather and gather hear son law made sun stand call fool make sun stand n iether lunat entir nation drawn crazi doubt fact redicul for exampl drawn mad ma hdi fool logic peopl thi sinc wasn liar lunat real thing ron hous usq hous helio usq edu toowoomba australia alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and jon grow childish propagandist gregg point that practic thing aren quit wonder utopia you folk claim upset you exact li childish open question bbci exampl islam own and oper bank will bet weren rea l islam owner and oper and turn long run and quit ruthless oper steal monei smal l and quit naiv depositor and naiv depositor put life save into bcci nasti inter est motiv western bank street that believ islam own and oper bank couldn possibl

cheat don con into think that will work time jon alt.atheism moral polit atheist articl sninn gap caltech edu keith cco calte ch edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write you that isn for instinct act moral that thing explain instinct act can moral act an d happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc not h voluntari that order for act act moral person immor action disregard weaker th at possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern intellig be can moral even bahav ior be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti p olli isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli and emphasi you place intellig ani m speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short mem ori you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl t alk can altern post you repli jon alt.atheism moraltii polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write act moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt assum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim natur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your defi nit instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you don that moral behavior patt ern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavior p attern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli ta lk anim free will keith alt.atheism cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thi thread start discuss whether not death penalti constitut cruel punish forbidden constitut didn meant cruel you suprem court and make sens refer constitut quit silent mean word cruel spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli i ntent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici discuss death penalti and that discuss result murder result intial discuss object moral thi time remov moral di scuss discuss mene word cruel and constitut noth that discuss relat death penalt i and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and keith alt.atheism polit atheist kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran write that you thought theori meant human gener capabl overpow instinct not fol low that thi necessarili intellig aren anim gener capabl overpow instinct good q uestion biologist answer anim brain set differ anim can train instinct serv reas on contradict keith alt.atheism moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write don ex pect lion not kind fact don evid that lion such issu and that don you can assign moral signific instinct behaviour lion that moral behavior like null behavior t hat doesn work moral immor case that craziest thing heard you doesn work moral t hat moral remnant evolut and that peopl discuss moral daili basi kind evolutiona ri hangov your toe moral system base concept practic anim kingdom thi us phrase base not suffici familiar you mean base and signific for your argument you basic that you moral undefin term and that moral system don exist can agre definit te rm can hope discuss perfectli clear that that moral system that can speak for pe opl thi doesn anywher your belief irrelev you can share discuss can you moral be lief you rais topic never consid quit happi invent moral belief thin air jon alt.atheism pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu ke ith allan schneider write arromde jyusenky jhu edu ken arromde write not that ma de nazi comparison peopl compar religi peopl nazi germani that start thing knew thing strang and grew bigger thing that motto thing you contradict motto thing t hat bother mentiopn you huh thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arri v system social rank that us imperail germani and austria distinguish jew rest p opul terribl help set psycholog gradual disenfranchis jew made easier jon alt.atheism thought christian excerpt netnew alt atheism apr thought christi an dave fuller portal sick religi type pamper look for and worst respect atheist

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en kill leader point that thing involv religion that lead war whether thing part religion unpleas side effect bobbi result peopl switch religion and atheism spo ntan result religi group long involv major bloodiest part man histori atheist ha nd preen preen typic not ideolog social cast driven organ and spread belief over us nazism and stalin show true thi two group clear and specif ideolog religi per secut mean cannot obviou that group found for reason us religi persecut not beli ef system made powerful hard basic bobbi exampl war that not specif fought relig ion that not choic kei west flame heat bottom silver butter dish ciao chri blask alt.atheism object moral polit atheist articl utinn gap caltech edu keith cc o caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei wri te want thi omnisci perform feat term action wrong you omnisci you exactli and p urpos mind goal mind you sould method judg whether not thi action accord gener g oal you contradict pretti massiv and don you even notic anoth part thi thread yo u tell that goal natur moral anim surviv suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien that make moral jon alt.atheism pompou ass articl pinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu kei th allan schneider andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors nation anthem chang god bless america list wors not defin violat rule go vt supposedli follow chang not person concern anthem sinc don come across daili unavoid routin christian and tempt rub that motto face christian debunk standard motto sling get bore you peopl you despis don despis peopl opinion meant chat r efus listen idea becom exercis for amus for motto legitim read god god godless t rust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that alt.atheism moraltii polit atheist articl ekinn gap caltech edu keith cco ca ltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write a ct moral for reason moral moral instinct anim that moral instinct anim attempt a ssum your conclus conclus you conclus correct err that behaviour instinct anim n atur moral system disagre definit moral earlier you that consciou act your defin it instinct behavior pattern act moral you appli human term human pardon appli h uman term human confus gui that anim behaviour instinct not moral sugnific refus appli human term anim turn into appli human term that even not consciou altern thi not prevent behavior moral you thi you convinc you don that moral behavior p attern human moral moral action that consist pattern that enforc behavior moral you get thi backward you show that behaviour pattern moral whether moral behavio r pattern irrelev sinc can behavior pattern for exampl motion planet that peopl not call moral show your definit can shown offer time accept your definit you as crib moral signific orbit motion planet and moral can thought larg class princpl defin term thing law physic you silli talk moral planet obei law phyic silli ta lk anim free will law silli and silli livesei find intuit silli schneider find i ntuit silli that devast argument isn jon alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write art icl bcc ic uci edu bvicker ic uci edu brett vicker write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write you not muslim sort fatwa issu khomeini not relev you ca n understand your fear persecut and share even you muslim rushdi behavior not co mplet excus consid call islam relat dialogu total wast time can restrain thi ins tanc gregg thi come sens and accept know wisdom and power quran and allah not th at allah drop congratul wise choic allah roll bone and allah get crisco bend and invit spin block wow realiz that allah for commit readi for man program gotta c all you think renounc islam btw gregg allah think you jim alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl bafa dbstu dbstu benedikt rosenau write for tun religion replac system that human right higher secular law crimin life victi m life islam place right societi and member right individu thi call true human r ight you support claim preced islam law case you law religion muslim live muslim land bound law land live not disregard islam law remain part life law land conf lict religion such extent that prevent allow practis religion leav land islam la w precend secular law instruct follow law land that live islam state rule khalip h religion islam allow rule religi law provid don affect genral popul and don co me into direct conflict state law dhimmi muslim popul exempt islam law religion such fight jihad give zakat alm give etc benefit two act such militari protect a nd poor will receiv zakat not rushdi and reliabl inform hadn left islam islam la

w burden proof benedikt fatwa didn rushdi affirm faith islam didn public convers islam bind islam law publicli renounc belief islam burden ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opinion alt.atheism slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr bradford newnham bradford l eonard newnham write thi sound nice help each and smile and fluffi bunni wake pe opl not that evid histori that societi succeed had reli goodwil and unselfish pe opl isn obviou place iran that even greedi peopl societi attract posit power sou nd recip for disast leonard mail newnham bradford leonard give you exampl thi fa ther recent bought busi busi price pound and father approach peopl commun for ra is pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest bus i loan pai muslim lender help loan clear bank debt and save intrest thi exampl m uslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous mini mis amount intrest pai and case bui hous intrest free fortun commun fact leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam ma inc masud ahm khan ma cadenc opin ion alt.atheism pompou ass andrew newel tan psuvm psu edu write fall back thing thi not us wors wors not defin violat rule govt supposedli follow for motto legi tim read god god godless trust you approv such motto not rid current chang such that wrong thi motto you wouldn approv even that begin that you motto gener you plurbi unum keith alt.atheism pompou ass livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two exampl pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us impera il germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto you that motto thing that will lead wors thing keith alt.atheism moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write exp lain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murder not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific volunt ari you thi and human abil disregard instinct intellig be can moral even bahavio r be mimic you start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti pol li isn necessarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim speci don kill each you thi you that anim machin and that noth wrong anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla do lphin platypu line drawn awar you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili kil l each don you find fact that don signific keith alt.atheism object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei wr ite anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that human somewhat thi perhap goal actual suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requir extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not im mor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess keith alt.atheism member jcopelan nyx edu and write offici keeper list nicknam tha t peopl alt atheism didn had such list you your award nicknam buckminst time you post articl sign your nicknam dave buckminst fuller jim humor mean never you co peland list agre nicknam law laid gipu almost year ago you that written iron tab let that melt onc and had reinscrib sinc prophet gipu decre that you post list n icknam for frequent poster nanci alt.atheism polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp sys tem live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos la w not such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp so cieti into chao keith alt.atheism pompou ass articl qlef inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write thing refe r germani peopl that similar thing germani name that not true gave you two examp l pevas anti semit german christian hitler arriv system social rank that us impe rail germani and austria distinguish jew rest popul don thing order wors motto y ou that motto thing that will lead wors thing you don thing twenti twenti hindsi

ght you led jon alt.atheism object moral polit atheist articl qlf ginn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write anoth part thi thread you tell that goal natur moral anim surviv that huma n somewhat thi perhap goal actual human somewhat exactli thread you tell that na tur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi om nisci us for criterion long term surviv human speci omnisci map into assign and wrong action suppos that your omnisci told you that long term surviv human requi r extermin speci terrestri alien you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin premis habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omn isci assign and wrong action and tell result that make moral type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you ty pe moral that jon alt.atheism slaveri sex allow marriag articl apr cadenc ma cadenc masud khan write leonard give you exampl thi father recent bought busi busi price pound an d father approach peopl commun for rais pound interest free loan friend and rel and muslim knew had cash and rest busi loan pai muslim lender help loan clear ba nk debt and save intrest thi exampl muslim commun help anoth common ident muslim turn father help peopl bui hous minimis amount intrest pai and case bui hous in trest free fortun commun wrong thi bank start place sooner your father and pal w ill lend monei eventu broke and will realis that havn manag risk will that quant ifi risk and persuad borrow not greater loan can carri and sinc don want worri c alcul and handl monei will specialis that reinvent interest good muslim call fac t leonard work fluffi bunni sight ithat beauti islam riiiight that john major op en govern depart coupl month ago promot minor busi can lend anoth cup sugar jon alt.atheism moral polit atheist articl qlettinn gap caltech edu keith cco ca ltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write e xplain instinct act can moral act and happi listen for exampl instinct not murde r not murder moral signific sinc noth voluntari you that moral act signific volu ntari you thi you forc moral respons for and human abil disregard instinct make your mind instinct not murder not intellig be can moral even bahavior be mimic y ou start point mimicri not necessarili action imit parrot pretti polli isn neces sarili comment pulchritud polli you attach thing term moral thi good that anim s peci don kill each you thi not even correct anim speci kill anoth you that anim machin and that noth wrong sigh time round thi loop that instinct bahaviour mora l signific quit prepar that higher anim such primat begin moral sens sinc exhibi t awar anim speci kill each arbitarili don and poster you exampl exactli thi you short memori weren arbitrari kill slai relat sort mate ritual whatnot you that kill anim moral signific and not thi your natur moral you that thi isn act moral anim aren intellig possibl that organ not peopl talk can altern post you repli don understand your distinct you mean can small child moral gorilla dolphin plat ypu line drawn awar you blind you that thi sentenc mean possibl that organ not p eopl talk can altern that impli you call mechan prevent anim speci arbitrarili k ill each don you find fact that don signific find fact that signific jon alt.atheism year can that christian moral articl jxru new cso uiuc edu cobb alexia li uiuc edu mike cobb write you base your belief atheism your knowledg an d reason couldn that wrong atheism base ignor ignor exist god don fall into athe ist don pride mistak bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write articl jkj fido asd sgi livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write hope islam bank bcci rip small depositor muslim commun and grow childish propagandist gosh greg g pretti good read line you preciou work thi refut you flesh bit miss full grand eur content virtu blind atheism bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism moral polit atheist articl inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write that moral behavior like null behavior smell si g materi bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank man hattan sea

alt.atheism cruel polit atheist articl mdinn gap caltech edu keith cco calte ch edu keith allan schneider write discuss relat death penalti and constitut not defin each word doesn cruel can dictionari and dictionari gain hand knowledg su ffer your post bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sa nk manhattan sea alt.atheism pompou ass articl jiinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu ke ith allan schneider write thing refer germani peopl that similar thing germani n ame that thing that and that weren wast time repeat sound knew look book avail a nn frank exhibit make your small world afternoon bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism thought christian articl ofnwyg voa andrew cmu edu andrew cmu ed u patrick leger write hear baptism birth that isn prei young don that prai young prei young come bright ei altar boi find priest wear that chasibl bob beauchain bobb vice ico tek that queen stai blew bronx and sank manhattan sea alt.atheism polit atheist articl qlfd inn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write chimp s ystem live social group law dictat undesir behavior such law quotat mark enclos law not your high and exactli quotat mark enclos law not case you didn notic fun ction that ironicis such rule even instinct unwritten etc sure sort random chanc lead chimp societi into chao perhap chimp that fail evolv cooper behaviour di a nd left that evolv such behaviour chanc you proclaim natur moral time organ evol v cooper behaviour natur moral bee danc jon alt.atheism object moral polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei wr ite human somewhat exactli thread you tell that natur moral anim surviv and thi thread you claim that omnisci can and wrong thi omnisci us for criterion long te rm surviv human speci that question isn goal not that obviou can set goal happi and liberti and golden rule etc goal aren inher defin object system omnisci map into assign and wrong action not difficult you goal mind and absolut knoweldg in tent etc you let omnisci give inform thi not part origin premis your origin prem is habit chang time perhap you review for and differ omnisci assign and wrong ac tion and tell result omnisci fine long inform not isn thi resolut free will prob lem interact omnisci situat type moral you talk natur sens not immor harm anoth speci long doesn advers affect your guess talk moral introduc you implement thi omnisci that can assign and wrong action you type moral that speak object system gener didn mention specif goal determin moral action keith alt.atheism islam caus believ genocid caus theism articl apr ultb isc rit ed u snm ultb isc rit edu mozumd write that can happen atheism beleiv knowledg reli gion good can happen thi tiresom statement come you definit not assert islam goo d belief islam good believ islam can produc good islam good blah blah blah that circular get and equal meaningless that produc good good that produc noth unappl i definit and you applic that true you true that silli convers you handedli that can happen atheism offshoot and becom true don and doesn religion aquaint islam teach exclus and cast and suggest harsh penalti for behavior that logic call fo r punish limit speech and sex for exampl thi not good pain and suffer justif for wave hand inaccess god you toss word knowledg bit carelessli for knowledg belie v contradict term infer that you mean believ term faith and you knowledg faith n oth jim halat alt.atheism inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg ja eger write precis reject god and leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not reject god that rushdi made atheism clear front suff ici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit that pr oblem organ religi not idea that simpl speech such thi basi for crime jim halat alt.atheism inimit rushdi anecdot islam articl ursa bear halat pooh bear jim halat write articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write precis reject god an d leav islam perfectli free muslim and doubt and question exist god long not rej ect god that rushdi made atheism clear front suffici number proper wit question regard legal issu statu time crime commit add that imposs reject god you choos p unish talk jim halat alt.atheism silli question tianiti articl apr daffi wisc edu mccullou snake wisc edu mark mccullough write insult your homest come wisconsin backward never

understand that peopl held such bigot and backward view never wisconsin neighbor minnesota child middl atlant found that state provenc that stood thi youngster mind california texa and florida name obviou minnesota and wisconsin stuck sole basi polit translat extrem liber and progress state and recent trip minnestoa la st summer serv support that state reput guess that wisconsin that impress peopl minnesota left neighbor question head wisconsin whether not effect relationship chees and serial killer jim halat alt.atheism nonexist atheist date apr edt kmagnacca eagl wesleyan edu articl bskendigc jcwx jzn netcom bskendig netcom brian kendig write quot delet peopl i dea mean atheist bobbi mozumd clone world thought that explain thing post soc re ligion islam attach quot bobbi effect that atheist ly evil scum and ask commonli held idea muslim respons ask unknown guess you soc cultur group middl east sout h asia area open islam channel defin atheist polytheist cuz world creat that eac h particl god creat god soc cultur african nice for contrast viewpoint benevol r eligion sudan mention alt.atheism keith relativist articl pigidinnsot gap caltech edu keith cco ca ltech edu keith allan schneider write not you thrown into cage tiger and maul yo u blame tiger aha admit moral relativist keith you start wafffl for human maul t hrown into cage speak you start post tome decent evid retract your absolut moral blurb week ago keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa ha te opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mech an that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain alt.atheism thought articl healta saturn wwc edu healta saturn wwc edu tammi heali write hope you not flame give coutesi you tammi person balanc reason argu ment tammi happi discuss make astound claim not back evid expect substanti origi n author had that opinion and not support peopl simpli not claim thing and logic flaw argument for christian effort convinc atheist and messag for will not thin g read you told that pink fluffi eleph danc sugar plum fairi dark side jupit dem and evid adda adda wainwright dim atal llanw eczcaw mip nott mae sig werth alt.atheism object valu scientif accuraci year can that christian moral arti cl jzv dc dc tommi kelli wrote articl qjahh mr horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer w rite scienc real world basi valu not round you you valu mean us and you scienc t hat you equat real world scienc recognit pattern percept univers and make qualit and quantit predict percept scienc process model real world base commonli agre interpret observ percept noth valu can valu not experi not and valu can refer me an for exampl comput scienc true and fals scienc base commonli agre valu interpr et observ scienc can result reinterpret valu object valu set valu propos believ applic valu underlai scienc not object sinc never fulli agre and chang time valu newtonian physic quantum mechan steve lang slang sling slink slick slack shack shank thick alt.atheism victim good fight articl tekig pen tek naren tekig pen tek naren bala write list kill name religion iran iraq war civil war sudan riot india pak istan massacar bangladesh inquist america million crusad massacr jew wwii millio n massacr inferior race wwii million communist purg million social religion cath ol protest quit imagin recent go bombai iodia area diseas introduc brazilian ohe r tribe million naren desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whyalla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa ha te opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack understand refract mech an that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain alt.atheism keith schneider stealth poster articl innpit gap caltech edu kei th cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write you threaten motto peopl that us time somon write and describ norm infact inforc that norm program not for motto danger tell world that true american god fear and put not fear god doesn make da nger good job exist your currenc keith desert brat john mcvei elc eltnc eng whya lla uni australia level unisa edu darwin for repli mail whjjm whyalla unisa edu disclaim unisa hate opinion doesn make rainbow beauti that god name smack unders tand refract mechan that chanc for produc jim perri perri dsinc alic chain alt.atheism mari fault andrew cmu edu patrick leger write you occur todai th at thi christian thing can blame sole mari marri joseph get knock you joe will f

ind get mari come thi ridicul stori god make pregnant nice attempt chri verrri c lose you miss conspiraci step joseph knew knock couldn that mari prego that woul dn for popular local circl happen that feel guilti feel embarrass and decid impr ov imag downfal for clever come gain respect for coupl joseph and mari receiv pr ais paid jesu dave buckminst fuller that keeper nicknam alt.atheism origin bibl adda wainwright write state that thousand bibl disco v point time syllabl perfect thi meant that copi time time quot acquaint approxi m year death jesu thi complet nonsens codif bibl wingat peac god peac strife clo se sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god alt.atheism inimit rushdi apolog for long delai get respons thi post work re duc hour past coupl week had son born dai umar articl post btw respond coupl dai turn that coincident new softwar rearrang caus post thi site silent disappear i nto world thi revis that origin respons articl nrl navi mil khan itd itd nrl nav i mil umar khan write articl finnm dsi dsinc perri dsinc jim perri write functio n illiter absolut concept natur such thing thi respons claim that rushdi made fa ls statement life moham disclaim fiction line fact and fiction stand thi distinc t fiction and fals statement not for write satan vers for peopl accept propagand ist version contain that book find singl muslim convinc that read book initi cla im shown knowledg book superfici newsweek stori impart and made factual misstat event book you thing thi you accus peopl make hominem argument repeat previou po st read tsv cover cover had not that claim sweep you made factual misstat event book rais past islam clearer view thread root rushdi islam law thread statement not that you had not read book that you had not convinc that you inter alia had you want defend your posit produc evid and respond evid post you not statement n ot directli aim you broadli number muslim poster repeat propaganda book indic th at haven read and narrowli gregg jaeger subsequ admit that hadn fact read book v indic skeptic that case thing your case statement you made book clearer view pos t challeng not interpret statement fact for instanc rushdi depict women respect famili islam whore and your claim had not thi that you read cover cover will res olv thi disagr critic interpret you support your end respond critic doubt abil m uslim thi book highlight find passag person offens you upheld view that tsv inte nd attack islam and muslim thi view defend mere assert you want hard amic and ra tion and club defend honest opinion that thi book not constru calcul insult atta ck islam and parallel opinion that critic book baseless propaganda support state ment and critic interpretationa context quot book and rushdi essai correspond yo u jim perri perri dsinc decis support inc matthew opinion for nomin fee can alt.atheism amus atheist and agnost chri faehl write atheist not mock concep t god shock that theist fallen such low level that god you accus atheist part co nspiraci evid rule condescend popul larg theist will not win peopl your faith an ytim ruin your credibl fallaci atheism faith hear faq beckon onc wonder rule del et you correct you didn conspiraci correct hard atheism faith rule don mix appl orang can you that extermin mongol wors stalin khan conquer peopl unsympathet th at atroci stalin kill million peopl love and worship and atheist state can wors that will not explain thi you stalin noth name atheism wheth not atheist irrelev grip man stalin exampl brought not indict atheism anoth exampl peopl will kill name that fit for occas rule you reli evid state wait oppos reli bunch black ink crumbl paper atheism prove noth you burden dogmat religi bullshit provid evid y ou refer and long you wait hard atheism noth prove justifi that god not exist fa q etc guess justif compel aren peopl flock hard atheism not and won for will dis courag peopl hard atheism point sourc reliabl statement hard atheism second make you defend religion recogn hard atheism for faith and refer reader post evid th at poster state that reli not theist can safe that definit theist not arrog sinc boast god god principl hard theist necessarili arrog such and such absolut unal ter true dogma true not prepar issu blanket statement indict theist arrog you wo nt atheist bzzt virtu your innoc pronoun you issu blanket statement will apolog qualifi origin statement hard atheist place atheist you call john baptist arrog boast greater that christian todai that arrog not worthi misinform your sophist put theist your misinform shine bake timmon iii noth higher stronger wholesom an d life good memori alyosha brother karamazov dostoevski alt.atheism islam and scientif predict genocid caus atheism dbstu dbstu bene

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alt.atheism rushdi islam law articl apr bnr rashid write articl apr zeu calp oli edu jmunch hertz ele calpoli edu john munch wrote articl apr bnr rashid writ e not thi charg shatim appli rushdi and encompass umbrella fasad rule defin word shatim and fasad you us apolog shatim refer slander spread slander and li proph et prophet basic prophet dealt busi hawk stolen merchandis sell swampland hous l ot florida you hear stori sexual abus prophet and famili victim paid quiet kind will caulmni and curs that word thi explan can come top head and technic definit time never mind that you thi chevel bought thi dude you guess prophet name moha m car for two dai tranni kick manni mechan tell load sawdust guess whether moham anywher found don fasad difficult describ thi not technic definit and that lite r moham word fasad mean mischief mischief order magnitud word corrupt wrong begi n seek escal hurt yeah you moham disord concern harm etc mischief initi caus act ion wrong specif relat attack god and messeng and mischief corrupt disord etc yo u slimi mass pond scum result that attack not physic attack and level penalti pr oscrib depend extent mischief and whether person person sought make hai situat s everest punish death yeah you watch your butt you and your buddi allah stereo so ld croak two dai your ass grass jim yeah that jim alt.atheism cruel polit atheist kmr cwru edu keith ryan write spent quit bit time word constitut pick word mean impli intent look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici question found father cruel and unusu punish hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psychological imagin hang quick and imagin painless fire squad n ote not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found f ather and hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut painless not keith alt.atheism cruel polit atheist livesei solntz wpd sgi jon livesei write spe nt quit bit time word constitut realis that thi wide held belief america fact cl aus cruel and unusu punish lot rest lift english bill right word not mean didn s pend time word look dictionari defin word isn thi suffici sinc dictionari that l ack merci intent inflict injuri grief count cruel peopl can describ cruel thi pu nish cannot keith alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write rel igi law appli categor belong religion event judg appli thi categor cheat hillari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu alt.atheism cruel polit atheist articl qnpa inn gap caltech edu keith cco ca ltech edu keith allan schneider write hang hang slow strangl pain physic and psy chological imagin hang quick and imagin painless thi misnom fire squad note not clean die back dai etc consid cruel your definit allow constitut found father an d hang and fire squad allow todai and thing not consid cruel sure medic execut p ainless not thi show that pain execut not consid cruel and unusu punish thi show that cruel us constitut not refer whether not punish physic pain mean cheat hil lari john law local gop reprehensit extol tradit famili valu alt.atheism nonexist atheist articl kutluk ccl umist kutluk ccl umist kutluk ozguven write atheist not mention quran quran point view and minut reason can t hat such thing guess that scientist aren mention stock broker televis repairmen preciou deep brainwash childhood that take progress religion clean substanti par t reason neuron don mind don exist jim halat alt.atheism anecdot islam articl edu jaeger buphi edu gregg jaeger write del et you don that rape and murder dealt lightli you interest lenienc for lenienc s ake appar that peopl simpli told bad thing straw man and you brought lenienc and simpl chanc misjudg misjudg avoid suspect that pretti that requir repeat offens that misjudg like assum that misjudg not correl delet love compar such line com mon plea your fellow believ not call each name thi case substanti quran that bea t wife into submiss care give chapter and vers discuss discuss chapter and vers cite assum that you weren exact you not quran and your consequ shown primit mach ism refer that misspelt that fault not orient follow qur you that not claim that suffici for argument lot male domin societi that qualifi machist you that situa t women sufficeint area orient delet thi argument for you don religion that supp ress sex such irrelev argument you gener object statement fine respons you reaso n for your statement that sex not busi religion your argument urg for sex adoles c not strong that overli strong measur requir suppress urg sex strong adult that

adult can make commensur effort find marriag partner you appar troubl read thin g you don point sex wish strong desir marriag red her homosexu for you simpli ig nor that doesn fit into world you and for situat adolesc your combin lenienc and maim mind whe you that not overli strong measur suppress urg for sex adolesc be nedikt alt.atheism inimit rushdi articl apr eagl wesleyan edu kmagnacca eagl wesley an edu write delet nope germani extrem restrict citizenship law ethnic german li ve russia for year automat becom citizen move germani turk gener germani can tha t wrong can benedikt alt.atheism satan jon livesei write read paper that qumram text had version text misunderstand read newspap learn thi kind stuff not idea world newspap repo rt notori ignor subject religion and prone exagger interest real stori that bigg er headlin back thi point masoret text targum translat commentari arama etc and septuagint ancient greek translat masoret text standard jewish text and essenti not vari place obviou corrupt copi faithfulli copi copi passag past interpret re fer targum and septuagint septuagint differ masoret text two particular includ a ddit text and second passag variant read masoret text addit fix predat corrupt p assag emphas that knowledg variat signifc bibl scholar and theolog import dead s ea scroll materi add thi ancient copi almost isaiah and fragment size almost boo k abund materi sign hebrew antecd apocrypha extra text septuagint analysi procee d variat dss text and masoret version tend reflect septuagint isn error differ n ot signific theolog thi big expect that great theolog surpris lurk materi thi ha sn happen dss import almost textual tradit unlik for wingat peac god peac strife close sod mango umd edu brother prai for thing tove mango marv lou peac god alt.atheism year can that christian moral frank frank dwyer write rai netcom rai fischer write frank frank dwyer write question for you subjectivist relativ ist nihilist het idea that relativ objectiv degre that relativ accur decript tru th objectiv power and abil control event you lose talk truth onc you valu rel ac curaci judgement happen agre substanc you below clear that valu object truth fal sehood peac war educ ignor thing agre that gener held good thing question whethe r come close object valu that time anoth each view undesir doubt you even come t hat univers good bad and refer truth term hypothet realiz full that not even suc h thing assum for moment that moral rel two relativist can recogn that lock abso lut truth and can proce negoti workabl compromis that produc desir result cannot acknowledg front that desir result not exist that mean compromis problem relati vist valu common compromis imposs happen happen relativist never compromis plant bomb crowd shop area moral rel valu cannot meaningfulli incorrect true cannot p erson moral thing notabl lack extremist sens person account justif for social un accept behaviour invari higher author aka absolut moral truth assum that absolut moral two disagre objectivist can wrong room for compromis onc you beleiv absol ut moral you accept that you amor that disagre you amor untru can accept that no t truth part object truth moral that flexibl rigid compromis believ you lock mor al etc can object realiti claim mechan for quantum collaps shot jfk object truth that cannot object truth interest notion can moral belief that compromis good c ompromis absolut truth not peopl successfulli suppos hold compromis absolut mora l happen insist compromis you compromis compromis choic peac compromis endless c ontent that compromis and agre bloodi pointless speak matter tast your like for peac found like for ic cream for that question and relativ isn almost invari rel thing anoth moral consequ peopl aspect justifi desir action belief justifi comm it peac argu that let peopl live long healthi and peac live that true incomplet ignor benefit war kill agress member societi trim popul stimul product equat com plex present character rel moral conscienc desir unduli simplifi rai fischer con vict danger enemi truth rai netcom li friedrich nietzsch alt.atheism islam bank slaveri articl monu monash edu daric yoyo monash edu fred rice write apr bmw mayo edu vdp mayo edu vinayak dutt write call interest d eposit you call return invest and call loan you call invest busi that word float stock your compani interest return invest for thing return invest greater risk and not set return amount monei you make can you even lose monei differ risk los s share investor practic risk borrow borrow borrow bank stock you call investor stock banker your choic relabel not make interest free not relabel explain relab

el not interest free investor take monei dividend invest ofcours investor islam bank your call bank take risk usual bank get thing back return you heard junk bo nd vinayak vinayak dutt mail vdp mayo edu standard disclaim appli alt.atheism don stink subject articl avinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient coch ran write keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu kei th justifi and ancient cochran write you claim you prove cold fusion provid exam pl show that trend gener and you provid counterexampl surround mate practic etc don that case disprov gener trend natur moral and mate practic reexamin you that your mind made and you explain differ statist insignific find immor mate relat activ you exclud mate relat activ your natur moral mate practic special case you explain inconsist your theori special case that natur system can object deduc g oal speci propog mind not equat two you that object system isn necessarili natur you you not man wrote natur moral system object moral system that anim follow n atur system object object system not natur term can not equat natur system subse t object you equat read your word sinc homosexu observ anim includ bird and dolp hin you claim that anim capac immor don claim that homosexu immor isn harm isn h elp mate process and you that homosexu observ anim kingdom don you mean bisexu s tudi releas found that femal seagul lesbian that goal not inher that postul not determin argu that aris natur goal somewhat remov postul assum posit that goal a ren inher can creat theori postul that sun revolv earth that moon made green che es and star portion angel that intrud into dimension realiti you such contradict observ appli thi last sentenc your your theori notic your contridict observ can build mathemat proof postul that length side triangl length second side triangl and degre angl connect can determin length side postul that gener found true do n your postul valid you don math you abil us sa determin length side triangl fun dement geometri guess peopl recept order assum your system you show that your po stul work and goal surviv and happi work you don not good goal goal postul goal thi object natur moral system you propos surviv speci homosexu immor kcochran ny x edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza alt.atheism year can that christian moral qkq horu mchp sni frank write atte mpt defin object moral wild guess and freedom object valuabl base thi assumpt th at world depriv utterli freedom that act contrari volit almost want complain lon g you that almost freedom will valuabl thing peopl that you real big lot peopl a gre freedom subject valuabl that good and quit nice start point for moral system not univers and not object that assert that freedom not valuabl almost can that bit absurd assert not rain raini dai isn sahara disclaim great young and insan alt.atheism polit atheist articl qinn gap caltech edu keith cco caltech edu keith allan schneider write kcochran nyx edu keith justifi and ancient cochran w rite schneider natur moral specif thought code ethic that speci develop order su rviv wait talk ethic moral distinct import thi countless time anim kingdom and s uch natur system basi for system huh moral system mimic natur number wai describ number wai detail explain contradict that aris order for human thrive live grou p your problem wrong highlight word don wrong for human surviv for long time wil d difficult human social anim and that success defin difficult and order for gro up function effect sort ethic code thi statement not correct isn don you explain law america state that you drive hand side road and point that speci conduct se rv propog not give you your tautolog show that such exampl moral system goal pro pog speci goal natur system moral live monagam relationship not moral order ensu r propog speci man impregn women note earlier lack mate such abstin homosexu isn destruct system worst neutral member speci homosexu thi wouldn destruct surviv speci for that matter herd hors domin stallion mate di kill domin stallion mate case your natur system moral shoot figur foot mate practic reexamin theori reexa min kcochran nyx edu tsakc thought post idea respons beer pizza alt.atheism year can that christian moral articl ursa bear halat pooh bear j im halat write articl qjd nlv horu mchp sni frank frank dwyer write firstli scie nc basi valu not round you explain object atom and subject valu atom not object aren even real scientist call atom noth mathemat model that describ physic obser v properti surround subject rest delet you liber art major weren tcha guess you never that photo smallest logo world ibm made nobl ga atom krypton xenon forget

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n run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add power window dod d arkman signific problem face cannot solv level think creat albert einstein etern champion rec.autos manual shift bigot ego regard shift abil big order car auto tran wasn plan drive convinc thing chang sinc dai slip slide with powerglid shift cl utch wear honda want for wagon last year for cost ga milag highwai and make easi er concentr radio car oddli two friend auto industri motor citi switch wholehear tedli auto wive insist manual shift envi braggadocio todai technolog and warrant i hand auto tran excel choic call convert mike rec.autos saturn manual transmiss problem articl crdnn crd cimjfg utica wr ite trip dealer admittedli patient admittedli noth dealer follow bulletin and re view proper shife procedur owner attempt satisfact custom number round doesn sou nd hope surpris local case gui saturn back time complain hadn properli elimin ra ttl nois saturn gave car call that number rec.autos fast previou articl wrat unisql wharfi articl qkon armori center lin jimf centerlin jim frost write larger engin that sho slightli modifi famili sedan power engin didn even bother improv brake that show you brake sho inch for get disc vent front normal tauru setup smaller disc front drum rear had vent rea r lot sale man fool titanium wheel yeah told magnesium believ crap sinc uch chea per and good tend agre tho that thi doesn sho standard for run regular basi brak e bigger corrado brake regul drew rec.autos sho and previou articl moe dseg robert loper articl constel ecn uoknor edu callison uokmax ecn uoknor edu jame callison write articl apr ganglio n ann arbor david ganglion ann arbor david hwang write articl unisql wrat unisql wharfi write articl chrissc netcom chriss netcom chri silvest write order sho a utomat transmiss you can handl stick you stick regular tauru and leav sho real d river that not that aren real driver can us stick disabl person aren posit us sh o will bet that remov automat transmiss perform type car mustang camaro and cut number accid each year auto fine for sedat sedan busi perform car imho jame disa gre thi and speed auto overdr and that chevi auto reknown for long life and abil handl copiou amount power live dalla area and manual harder drive traffic live stick us manual fun safeti wise auto distract hate shift gear eas into traffic f reewai perform wise can hold stock mustang camaro speed thi imho disagre your lo ve dalla rush hour stick detest auto time auto dall rush hour noth hear live per suas and for record rare you shift gear merg into traffic that speed good for go od time you can wind not hurt and powerband shift into top gear you exceed redli n fairli rare you drive ferrari such bet you hit cruis speed you feel comfort mo ther sit passang seat complain you wind poor engin drew rec.autos dent car you turn polic you accid report and send your insur com pani and will contact gui insur compani and will pai accid caus court friend min e thi and monei work rec.autos ultim awd vehicl articl bcd ec umass edu sylvest ec umass edu wr ite call turbo quattro thi model come wagon quick wagon rare mike sylvest umass turbo quattro wagon mondai thought audi stop sell wagon thi exactli type vehicl bet price time car budget ron deblock rdb homxb att that number rdb not letter b ell lab somerset usa rec.autos legal car bui problem rboudri chpc org rob boudri write articl s tratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write agre term sign contrac t and drove home car that night notic that term term had agre made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai recon sid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealership matter thi cool p eriod appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period end you accept merchan dis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah tha t trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre own us car you agre t erm and sign dealer slip you contract term and lead you that embodi term you ver bal agre that fraud dai limit restitut for fraud you sue and win thi you will al most threaten sue john oswalt jao megatest jao netcom rec.autos legal car bui problem articl apr chpc org rboudri chpc org rob b oudri write articl stratu swdc stratu bob runwai swdc stratu bob hutson write ag re term sign contract and drove home car that night notic that term term had agr

e made stupid mistak not check contract thi happen last saturdai heard that cool law allow dai reconsid contract thi true can point law transact happen dealersh ip matter thi cool period appli situat lik ewhen you solicit home cool period en d you accept merchandis thi not case car buyer return slightli us highli devalu car dai bui yeah that trick want bui car firend bui return and negoti deal pre o wn us car for discuss purpos hand can proven chang term thrown question will whe ther agreement contain merger claus ucc parol evid talk warranti ucc look inform that can conclus daniel reitman uniform commerci code protect innoc purchas not shield for sly conniv blindli naiv hopelessli gullibl atla auto rental corp wei sberg misc citi civ rec.autos rush fast dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn speed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan w ink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt wo rd time that you plan blow high speed differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had scari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui th at stori rec.autos dumb option list previou articl parr ac ucalgari charl parr idea list pointless option you stuff you can car that earthli us fit that you gener household current engin run and plug in trunk engin compart and cabin feel free add regard charl span last week heard element separ thread that conjoin time str uck togeth form chord hollow and echo gourd unknown net person rec.autos rush fast previou articl gwm spl spl loral gari mahan dont wrong love drive left lane fast overtak car slow tad bit reli udgement car recogn spe ed differenti stupid satiat curios thi make you stupid awar you not couldnt agre that work peopl motorcycl constantli scan wink mirror and two mirror spend time check six cop you caught guard and didnt word time that you plan blow high spee d differenti and you assum you safe gui see you you stupid depend circumst had s cari instanc assum thi and dont fault gui that stori can agre thi prove ideal su ppos happen isn and even rear pass don make you stupid agre that you you safe gu i suppos pai attent you dumb dumber hasta drew rec.autos dumbest automot concept time articl new ysu edu yfn ysu edu john daker cup holder drive important undertak ashtrai smoker fine us road absenc cu phold not gonna discourag eat drink car put don distract not spill you not smoke r cold dai take skill toss butt crack window wind deflect into back seat smoker us window doesn mean thi remind pleasant featur ergonom hellish interior alfa ro meo milano you ash your cigarett even remov your hand wheel trai fake convert ro of and vinyl roof gold trim will agre abomin fake continent spare tire kit sad w atch ladi load groceri into trunk that huge tire medallion piti fake convert top cadillac cimarron chrome door trim visibl not fool that hyundai excel onc laszl o csd csd uwm edu redhead afficionado extraordinair and canadia minist fine toba cco cigaret brand sampl import luxuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig rec.autos dumbest automot concept tim articl mar uncavx unca edu bwillard uncavx unca edu wrote saab ignit floor thi start great idea steer column lock po pular saab instal gearshift lock put car revers remov kei and car stai revers su ppos you into your car and thug come and demand your kei gunpoint you hand get a nd idea put kei thi will run perhap shoot you heard thi happen btw hear that saa b successor will ignit consol seat belong laszlo csd csd uwm edu redhead afficio nado extraordinair and canadia minist fine tobacco cigaret brand sampl import lu xuri handrol opinion not necessarili mine mine can bum sig rec.autos nissan altima seller articl innaft cronkit central sun dbernard clesun central sun write puzzl thi obviou untruth that nissan claim that altima sell car namelpl thi verbatim lee iaccoca statist dept proud that sentenc note t hat corolla prism design hei not namepl guess nissan doesn even sell altima toyo ta corolla namepl qualifi waiiiiiit isn nissan offici regist car govern paperwor k nissan stanza altima avoid costli and lengthi paperwork read thi net ago and s tanza logo altima you can wai spiro spiro triantafyllopoulo kocrsv delcoelect so ftwar technolog delco electron hugh electron kokomo post armm rec.autos dumbest automot concept tim articl apr exu ericsson exulox exu e

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pl and flame rec.motorcycles bike hors insect impact articl txd mkt txd esd tom dietrich writ e previou articl egreen east sun green pixel cruncher lot thing quot articl rgu usenet in cwru edu cleveland freenet edu mike sturdev write you your averag dirt biker can jump foot log log that suspend ground for that matter log that suspen d ground imagin you don jump that you lai bike and slide jonathan quist jeq lach man lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter p atter feet word daddi yai rec.motorcycles batteri storag not charg and store dry put coupl bike storag for month start month and contempl easi control batteri that bui batteri tender for each and leav plug time bike storag fine not that never heard discuss thi idea reason isn great can mistak fulli charg batteri drain electrolyt into separ cont ain for each batteri seal contain close batteri and leav that that bike come sto rag put electrolyt back batteri and fulli charg wrong thi relat note for you bai area denizen wasn had bunch spare edta month back left for and robert rec.motorcycles liabil insur requir articl apr newbridg bradw newbridg brad wark entin write articl apr rtsg mot svoboda rtsg mot david svoboda write lost attrib ut area driver requir show proof financi respons mean insur requir pull driver b ellyach net don pull and check law enforc fact case lot monei don you requir for yearli plate sticker ontario and manitoba for and provinc you show proof insurn ac you renew your plate sticker concept that owner car not respons for action au thor user car that biggest argument photo radar ticket system you pai outstand t icket even cross provinc agreement ontario and quebec that unpaid ticket provinc record date sticker bad troubl that you recours mi issu ticket cleric error com put follow you citi chicago inform motto citi work issu dozen park ticket each y ear peopl never set foot tire citi jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai rec.motorcycles fortun guzzler bar bar thi todai newspap fortun guzzler bar bar barnstapl england reuter motorcyclist drunk insur payment year ban wednesdai pub england and wale david robert had award cash compens for lose leg motorcycl acc id spent virtual cider court barnstapl southwest england told judg malcolm coter il ban robert bar england and wale for month and put two year probat start brawl pub bruce clark environ mail bclark galaxi gov rec.motorcycles solar batteri charger good solar batteri booster and come guaran te hand heard that peopl us success commun directli such person you your experi you us occasion charg long term leav for week etc robert kennedi robert kennedi offic robert stanford edu home voic comput scienc dept stanford univers home tty rec.motorcycles gentlemen articl cvbnetprim tjohnson tazmanian prime tod johnson write articl uupcb freddi ersi edmonton grant barkwel freddi ersi edmonton gran t barkwel write knowledg simpli posess motorcycl can you laid true thankfulli tr ue gentlemen favor and excus comment your sexual fortun net tod you misspok bank own motorcycl laid doubt sexual fortun quit revers jonathan quist jeq lachman l achman technolog incorpor dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai rec.motorcycles happi easter articl apr hasler ascom kevinh hasler ascom write s ell bmw even test bmw cornich will remain british for time hard roll royc own br itish firm god that end civil jonathan quist jeq lachman lachman technolog incor por dod kotpp kotcf gleep napervil noth quit pitter patter feet word daddi yai rec.motorcycles live free quietli die articl sixgun east sun egreen east sun wri te loud pipe biliger exercis ego project arguement fact avoid accid rev engin an d stock harlei pipe make nois draw someon attent instinct rev engin for horn don and work that import not louder pipe harlei loud and get notic road for that re ason person not feel loud you that bad america home free land atlanta brave you want fine tune machin feder govern involv and pass restrict gener that move rev your engin will you notic horn hand throttl into feet bike mph second long push horn button and aren you gui that doesn even bike tod johnson dod slow geritol rec.motorcycles liabil insur requir articl apr walter bellcor fist iscp bellcor richard pierson write let thi fault stuff straight live start rate alot move and rate alot and stori you sit park lot lunch and wack you guess insur pai for giv

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vancouv canuck bure nedv final momesso washington capit hatcher bondra cote ely nuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce mention top impress sit opinion fan nearer team word anywher toronto newspap bryan rec.sport.hockey thi year biggest and worst opinion smale healthi uwaterl oo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint washington capit hatcher bondra cote elynuik winnipeg jet selann selann druce weren two tr ade for each poetic justic rec.sport.hockey talk stick articl odin corp sgi dptom endor corp sgi tom arnold write you hockei plai fan finat wide rang aluminum stick for time plai p iec lumbar that weigh alot and break think chang aluminum shaft break blade chan g problem that such wide reang model and select that not can you post your sugge st and experi aluminum stick differ model you dislik and brand had and aluminum stick christian and broke shaft halfwai season two year bought anoth canadian be gin season and easton that friend get rid give game find that easton blade easie r brand blade pretti interchang watch for dri bit firewood that store pass blade experi blade aluminum break regular stick broken aluminum shaft aluminum stick blade quickli chang even bench you downsid shaft won break you decid impal ciao mark thi and veget rick morani shop horror mark shoesmith shoe physic watstar uw aterloo rec.sport.hockey thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watse rv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write think each team mvp bigge st surpris and biggest disappoint thi year observ and admittedli lack not had op portun team amount team mvp surpris disappoint edmonton oiler manson buchberg me llanbi sinc oiler didn win heck lot game not deserv and mvp can win suggest kell i buchberg dave manson had brutal year pick for star game notwithstand for bigge st surpris that buchberg had higher expect thi year due breakthrough year for la st year didn rais game suggest shjon podein callup cape breton year quit depth c hart oiler stabl prospect made big impact team goal game and decent number for l ine player seemingli doom minor leagu oblivion oiler coach staff liken style joh n tonelli full time roster year for biggest disappoint you name player oiler dum p for lousi product thi year nichol gilchrist tikkanen even shayn corson mellanb i isn andrew scott andrew idacom idacom telecom divis ext roman era consid rec.sport.hockey potvin goali mask stephen legg slegg kean uc munc write wtahc guard hockei week tsn yesterdai and had featur thi gui that lot mask for n hl goali talk made made and design that put etc thi part interest turn that mask custom fit goali face goali put face piec wood plastic hole that face and foreh ead show hair cover cap ey cover plastic wrap type materi and vaselin put goalte nd face plaster spread cheek forehead and chin take minut dry suffici dri effect mold goali face thi us basi mask rest involv pad insid harden exterior fit cage etc etc john blue bruin demonstr procedur show exhibit coupl mask work mask for andi moog basic work current mask bear and mask for bob essensa cool jet logo c hin and two fighter jet side forehead air brush back ground yeah essensa mask lo ok good never talk held current leaf crest chin and awesom black panther forehea d mask for felix potvin never thought heard that potvin for bet monei and awesom dchhabra stpl ist rec.sport.hockey ncaa final winner ktgeiss miavx ac muohio edu write lake state main final won post main rec.sport.hockey thi year biggest and worst opinion articl zcii ftn watse rv uwaterloo smale healthi uwaterloo bryan smale write team biggest biggest team mvp surpris disappoint boston bruin oat sweenei weslei buffalo sabr lafontain m ogilni audett jinx calgari flame robert reichel petit chicago blackhawk roenick ruuttu goulet chelio mvp chicago detroit red wing yzerman chaisson kozlov edmont on oiler manson buchberg mellanbi manson admiss had terribl year oiler don team mvp default craig mactavish shjon podein biggest surpris tikkanen biggest disapp oint hartford whaler sanderson cassel corriveau lo angel king robitail donnelli hrudei minnesota north star modano tinordi not expect back broten tinordi back m id season last year and plai mvp montreal canadien muller lebeau savard jersei d evil steven semak maclean york island turgeon king final maroi king had great ye ar last year york ranger messier kovalev bourqu can kovalev surpris ottawa senat maciv baker jelinek philadelphia flyer lindro recchi fedyk gallei eklund fenc s

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start second half roll and gilmour great season recogn peopl gerald rec.sport.hockey abc coverag articl cfoi jndv andrew cmu edu anna matya a ndrew cmu edu write thorn good and fan clement miss mike emrick boyfriend not ho ckei fan even look point and gui pretti good announc thi gui that rick tocchet c harl bronson imho clement pleasant person aggravatingli pleasant opinion terribl analyst almost alwai wrong prototyp exampl jersei goal last sundai grew dick ir vin color besid danni gallivan knew irvin dick irvin friend mine bill clement yo u aren dick irvin long team involv not includ nation team york ranger john david son bill clement dai gerald rec.sport.hockey pen playoff radio coverag radio station articl sfjv cmu edu lli cmu edu lori iannamico wrote thi morn post gazett pen will carri kdka ra dio pirat plai pirat plai game will carri wdve wdve will carri game start tonigh t game fact thi season kdka will longer flagship station for pen penguin and kbl struck deal and radio right game like that wdve will flagship radio station sea son kbl will carri game game simulcast kdka remain game earli round playoff game will subscript receiv game you pai time hook fee and monthli fee dollar deal wi ll longer radio simulcast will broadcast team and radio broadcast team word anno unc will mike lang and paul steigerwald contract kdka contract expir end thi sea son kbl presid bill craig hire lang and steigerwald lori contact for penguin lli cmu edu nooooooooooooooooo mindschem thi ted simmon ain broke don fix mile home school year and will never pick dve can sort make mike and steigi static kdka t hi reason for transfer duquesn and live home announc dve paulson and krenn kid g eorg rec.sport.hockey you pat burn leaf leaf support and leaf noth short mirac l stroke geneniu hit pat burn you pat burn you live bai area not leaf coverag pu ll bag comment leaf detroit line match up basic idea andreychuck and borchevski busi plai wing small kei leaf success will clark centr can presenc stick length slot hell anderson anderson can dai past peopl skin put bluntli anderson asshol us good perhap perhap leaf can shut detroit second line dissappoint shepard and yserbeart fly last night gui swing player for wing last year major choke playoff and blame for quick exit wing thi happen clark anderson gilmour hustl thi line anderson nasti yserbeart clark bang hell sheppard score gilmour score suggest cl ark anderson gilmour sheppard yserbeart andreychuck borchevsi detroit check line toronto check line yzerman fedorov probert prai lot suggest bench andreychuck a nd borchevski stir thing and monkei wrench into detroit game plan detroit coach dumb plai check line finess player plai potvin can not fault goal van hellamond can not fault for leaf demis wing defens shut leaf slot hope pat burn realiz tha t team hit skate and coach mondai night thi not loss poor goaltend offici thi ca ll for drastic measur tee mondai jake leaf rec.sport.hockey radio station articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write pittsburgh penguin game us broadcast kdka don whether will pre empt basebal and move anoth station not you can local base bal team aren plai time randi pen broadcast wdve carol rec.sport.hockey bowman whine guess time for annual pittsburgh penguin wh ine thon bowman complan cheap shot devil game bowman you great coach cheap shot noth compar come guess you notic cheap shot made gui not white amaz black and go ld color glass will nice dive that high stick mario knew high stick you stai you r feet and save your dive talent for stir bit ralph rec.sport.hockey cbc game choic cbc previou articl uwovax uwo articl boor a sfu boora kit sfu godfath write cbc had great chanc for doubl header toronto d etroit and vancouv winnipeg todai that east get leaf and west vancouv game thoug ht that show total vancouv winnipeg great west coast hockei fast pace and load t alent entertain except odd shift miss calgari pitt jersei pinhead cbc figur onta rio care for leaf mapl leaf and noth leaf half southern ontario peopl move west good folk toronto couldn care show doublehead heck second game two canadian team and desper for new watch nation newsworld don canada end windsor don cha grrrrr amen updat min cnn headlin new for cry loud that cheaper phone call system ring adam linden score two ring bure rush ic score etc etc freenet carleton rachel h olm rec.sport.hockey matt militzok read for wast space matt dai you post that

you mail list playoff stat lost your address put that list georg rec.sport.hockey wing will win articl ragraca vela ac oakland edu ragraca vela ac oakland edu randi graca write golchowi alchemi chem utoronto gerald olc howi write bryan murrai yzerman fedorov chevelda chaisson russian strategi produ ct previou murrai made coupl decent trade that that rank team nhl like russian p layer russian strategi not specif detroit devellano murrai previou trade player team notabl memori murrai craven had good year philli leav not volum trade that will necessarili improv team qualiti trade adam oat for berni federko plain stup id even federko us great player time murrai trade work significantli wing advant ag that didn sour injuri player involv such troi crowder suffer back problem nev er recov devallano earlier and extens russian strategi and wast high draft choic young russian devallano succomb demer plead make oat federko trade deal that se al fate murrai made decent trade doubt due stupid cheap team brillianc part wash ington cheap pai ciccarelli essenti gave and carson big anchor team and sucker r ooki give paul coffei for deadweight detroit fail thi year defenseman short will wast opportun manson and unabl pull trigger judgement that yzerman doesn that y ear prime gerald rec.sport.hockey murrai wing will win articl apr venu lerc nasa gov smorr i venu lerc nasa gov ron morri write gerald murrai wasn respons for primeau not readi admit that horribl pick hire draft never made sens pick lapoint don primea u necessarili bad pick locat begin murrai decis slow trade carson delai primeau develop and you wait longer for big player and primeau can good player point gam e player team that yzerman and fedorov primeau becom joel otto and get goal seas on and plai mean will extrem good pick gerald rec.sport.hockey panther presid articl cybernet cse fau edu jimg cybernet cse fau edu jim gorycki write bio sun sentinel torrei architect consecut stanle i cup champion persid and gener manag york island year nhl bill torrei bow ti be com signatur andr agassi hair panther will introduc uniform insignia and ticket price inform earli month meantim huizenga leav dai dai oper hand torrei and bob clark and san jose shark and ottawa senat each second will wager that shark and senat will and perhap panther second gerald rec.sport.hockey result april articl access digex net steveg cadkei steve gallichio write gerald olchowi golchowi alchemi chem utoronto write podein inte rest case elig plai cape breton ahl playoff kovalev zubov and andersson sather a nd pocklington not total scroog make thi case massiv outclass paramount and york ranger polici player and minor leagu playoff versu that ranger hold back kovale v zubov and andersson for binghamton that whaler want michael nyland plai for sp ringfield nyland want plai for sweden whaler allow nhl decid and nhl chose wc th i differ ranger and oiler whaler leagu forc nyland plai springfield ultim team c hoic nhl prefer not annoi european hockei feder nhl cannot forc nhl team free pl ayer whaler thi not annoi farm team affili gerald rec.sport.hockey nord hab rob deepak chhabra dchhabra stpl ist wrote spea k great player man man can quebec skate haven team potent rush long time watch b reak zone sundin treat watch remind red armi dchhabra stpl ist piss hab fan yeah nord good excus bia you watch pen rush don answer thi footag end season pen pla i nord watch younger doubl pen nord look good point lost ravi shah shah pitt edu sica idea portara approx translat music will bring idea siempr continuara and w ill continu forev sonido electro nico electron sound decibel sint tico musiqu st op synthet decibel kraftwerk rec.sport.hockey thumb espn articl sclk cbnewsh att seth cbnewsh att pete r clark write you leav room each time that night basebal game break back studio mention gonna show you hockei wife and hope for rain basebal game feed for tommo rrow night point glad show hockei basebal anywher you can bet you watch basebal last night pete clark that wasn game schedul espn sometim show classic game prev iou season fill time slot joe ashkar contact for blue saint loui jca cec wustl e du blue rec.sport.hockey thumb espn bitch hockei coverag espn almost detroit toro nto game not televis last nite thank hockei night that wasn suppos carri espn ma tter televis game craig rec.sport.hockey remark presid clinton ncaa divis champion hockei team pr

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