Yoga Conference - Tantra and Sexual Activity Experiences

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Neo-Tantrism (Shakti Das, 3/30/99 101233 !"#
$irst%&, Tantra 'e m(st cre)it the 'or), tantra, as
)escri*ing a )i+erse an) rich ,ast -n)ian tra)ition
that attem.ts to )ea% 'ith the e%ements of manifest
creation in s&nchron& 'ith their greater integrit& an)
as a means for s.irit(a% integration an) se%f
enrichment.
There are th(s man& a+en(es of tantra inc%()ing
me)icine, astro%og&, &antra &oga (+is(%ai/ation of
sacre) )iagrams#, mantra &oga, e%a*orate ceremonia%
tantra, am(%ets, magic, etc.
Se0(a%it& is a%so one a+en(e as 'e%% (an) a
.ratic(%ar%& rich a+en(e to the &ogi *eca(se it )ea%s
'ith the (nion of o..osites i.e., the ma%e/fema%e or
shi+a/shakti energies.
There are man& e0isting *ooks an) tra)itions (hin)(,
1())hist, an) Taoist#on c%assica% se0(a% tantra
(ti%i/ing either s&m*o%ic se0(a% imager& or act(a%
.artnere) se0(a% acti+ities in or)er to e0.%ain an)
reso%+e the energetics of .o%arit& an) )(a%it& an)
thence to fo%%o' this .henomen(m *ack to its So(rce in
the .rocess of s.irit(a% re-integration.
!%tho(gh it is he%.f(% to %earn an) 2(ote from these
.ast techni2(es (as 'e%% as re%ate) .ast 3esten
techni2(es of a%chem&#, it is the intent of this to.ic
to go *e&on) mere%& %earning 'hat has *een )one *efore,
a+oi)ing the tra. of memori/ing or arg(ing 4right4
a..%ications, an) or a+oi)ing conformance to an&
e0isting .re5()ice a*o(t se0(a% tantra6 *(t rather to
take this e0.%oration one ste. f(rther.
Se0(a% tantra .eake) in -n)ia 5(st .rior to the "ogh(%
in+asions ('hich 'i.e) o(t 1())hism from -n)ia in a
7iha) as 'e%% as .ersec(te) a(thentic tantrics ('hich
'ere force) to go (n)ergro(n) taking on man& s&n*o%ic
forms#.
"e)ie+a% -n)ia 'as the he&)a& of ec%ectic (*oth
1())hist an) 8in)(# hatha, k(n)a%ini, an) tantric &oga
'hich con+erge) in the tra)ition of the "e)ie+a%
"ahasi))has (of 'hom "ats&en)ranath or 9(i.a ('ho is
genera%%& cre)ite) as the fo(n)er of mo)ern )a& 8atha
Yoga 'as a mem*er.
Co(.%e) 'ith the fact that tantra has not significant%&
e+o%+e) either here or in Ti*et for a%most a tho(san)
&ears, the .resence of 'i)es.rea) se0(a% a*(se an)
)&sf(nction, the 'i)es.rea) a*(se an) )issi.ation of
the %ife force, the 'antom cons(mation an) )estr(ction
*& the h(man s.ecies of nat(ra% reso(rces for a%% %ife
forces, ans) the recent (.s(rge in the 3est of *o)&
*ase) .s&chothera.&, the somatic mo+ement, *o)&/min)
thera.e(tic, an) the ne' 'ho%istic conscio(sness, it
ma& *e 'e%% to raise the +ita% 2(estion again as to ho'
'e can %earn to integrate o(r most intimate .h&sica%
e0.erience (se0(a%it&# in harmon& 'ith i)eas of a
%i+ing s.irit, ins.iration, hea%th, re-generation,
creation/creati+it&, an) e+o%(tion.
-t is m& e0.erience that if the h(man s.ecies is a*%e
to get in to(ch 'ith, em*race, an) honor the %ife
.rinci.%e in their e+er&)a& %ife then the& 'o(%) not *e
)e.en)ent (.on nor +ictimi/e) *& e0terna% a(thoritati+e
*ooks or s&stems, g(r(s, a..ro+a%, nee) for e0terna%
stat(s or .ri+i%ege, simi%ar ne(rotic com.ensator&
s&stems of fa%se sec(rit&, .aranoi) nee) for .o'er or
contro% o+er others, re%ate) mo)a%ities of 5ea%o(s&,
an) the %ike a%% of 'hich stem from this *asic
(nreso%+e) integration res(%ting in the aforementione)
%ist of insec(rities.
This to.ic can an) is )esigne) to take a *o)& .ositi+e
an) nat(re .ositi+e attit()e to'ar) s.irit(a%it& th(s
inc%()ing S.irit in e+er&)a& earth%& acti+ities 'hich
to m& thinking m(st a%so take into acco(nt se0(a%
i)entifiaction, se0(a% mo)a%ities, se0(a% acti+ities,
as 'e%% as ho' 'e got here in the first .%ace (creation
stories in se0(a% terms#.
:nfort(nate%& since man& ha+e *ecome con)itione) to see
se0(a% an) nat(ra% f(nction an) acti+it& as the
o..osite from that of s.irit(a% acti+it& (an) - )o not
inten) to offen) an&one# - s(ggest that those .eo.%e
ma& *enefit the most from this )isc(ssion an) the&
are'e%come to )isco(rse or hi)e the to.ic ((se the
.rom.t at the to.ic of the to.ic %ist#.
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<a5ro%i Contin(e) (Shakti Das, 3/30/99 10=902 !"#
<a5ro%i is an a)+ance) to.ic in hatha &oga, fo(n) in
the 8atha Yoga >ra)i.ika for one. There is contro+ers&
aro(nm) 'hether it sho(%) *e taken %itera%%& or
s&m*o%ica%%& (e0terna%%& or in'ar)%&#. This s(*5ect is
acontin(ation from the Yam an) Ni&ama )isc(ssion of
1rahmachar&a ?110-?11@ an) 'i%% .ro+i)e *ackgro(n) for
those 'ho are intereste).
1o* asksA 4So ho' )o &o( %earn the re+erse
f%o' trick 'itho(t the catheter for training 'hee%s4 .
Yeah - %ike) Bo*ert Cr(m* a%so 'hen - 'as &o(nger, not
*eca(se of an& 4inte%%ect(a%4 or conce.tiona%
association *(t rather he honest%& ref%ecte) m&
.h&sio%ogica% tr(th 'hich gets to another to.ic ho' men
are *a%me) for not tr&ing to 4(n)erstan)4 'omen6 *(t
something a 'oman (s(a%%& canCt (n)erstan) a*o(t manCs
.h&sio%og& (a .henomena not *ase) on 5()gement nor
%ogic *(t rather nat(ra% %a'#. ThatCs another
s(*5ect, *(t ho' to 4)ea%4 'ith it is the .resent
s(*5ect is it not.
3e%% instea) of co%) sho'ers, o+er eating, e0ha(ting
.h&sica% e0ercise, an) other ne(rotic acti+ities 'e can
a..roach the s(*5ect as a res(%t of ma%e energ&
signa%%ing its nat(ra% .ro.ensit& for interco(rse an)
reso%(tion 'ith the fema%e energetic ('hich can *e
)isting(ishe) from ne(rotic )esire#.
Thankf(%%& &o( an) - )o not ha+e to 'orr& ho' to fin)
an a..ro.riate .artner for this a%chemica% reaction to
take .%ace as 'e ha+e na+igate) the societa% mi%e( for
fort& &ears or more in this regar) an) ha+e that
4chore4 *ehin) (s (for the most .art#.
No' to ans'er the 2(estion i.e., %earning the re+erse
f%o' techni2(e 'itho(t the catheter. There are man&
ans'ers. 9ots of .ractice, going s%o', c%eaning o(t the
.h&sica% im.(rities an) irritations to the ner+es in
the area, *an)has, *reath (.o'erf(%#, +is(a%i/ation,
going s%o' at first, transferring energ&, constant
a'areness (es.ecia%%& of the %o'est t'o chakras#,
mo+ing the energ& into the mani.(ra chakra, kno'ing
&o(rse%f, an) the %ike are a%% he%.f(% for contro% *(t
'e 'ant to go *e&on) contro% rightD
The .orta% seeme) to me to get to s(staine) an)
heightene) f%o' 'here - co(%) e0.erience at first
com.%ete energetc .(s%ation in the area 'itho(t o+er
%oa)ing the circ(itr& (the s.asms of .h&sica%
e5ac(%ation#. this 'as thie first stage of e)(cation
i.e., not to )issi.ate the charge as a re%ief from
se0(a% tension (as Beich s(ggests# *(t to sim.%& *e in
the .rocess (rather than *e goa% oriente)#.
!s m& ma%e charge 'as not *eing )issi.ate), - a%so ha)
to make s(re that the fema%e charge )i) not ca(se the
fema%e to o+er%oa), go into s.asm (in tems of .(shing
o(t, tightening (., or )r&ing (.#. -t 'as a .rocess of
m(t(a% *(i%)ing an) - ha) to change m& 'a&s of se0(a%
interaction from that of genita% se%f gratification an)
tem.orar& genita% .%eas(re to the greater 5o& of caring
for the .artner an) entering into a greater
.artici.ator& trans.ersona% state of (nion, i.e., 'e
s%o'%& )isco+er the f%(i) trans.ersona% state *e&on)
in)i+i)(a% .%eas(ring each other.
8ere (.'ar) f%o' starts to ha..en for me (s(a%%&
starting at the sacr(man) r(nning (. the s.ine. There
is a 'arning here (an) - am serio(s# that once (.'ar)
f%o' occ(rs o(r norma% 4nee)4 for se0(a% interaction
ma& *e %essene). This act(a%%& seems %ogica% as 'e%%,
*(t since 'e are (se) to *eing .%eas(re) *& satisf&ing
a nee), 'hen that nee) no %onger arises, sometimes 'e
see that as a %oss of .%eas(reD This ma& e0.%ain the
+iagra .henomenaD
No' ma&*e - am conf(sing ,D from (.'ar) f%o'D - think -
ha+e met at %east one .erson 'ho ha) s.ontaneo(s (.'ar)
f%o' 'itho(t tantra. 8e 'as an o%)er *(t +er&
com.assionate retire) Catho%ic >riest 'ho took m& &oga
c%asses, *athe) nake) in the 'arm .oo%s 'ith *ea(tif(%
&o(ng 'omen 'hi%e sho'ing no nee) or .h&sica%
attraction. 8e (se) to come (. e+r& &ear or so (- think
5(st to test the gen(ineness of his (r)+a retas# *efore
he .asse) on.
En the other han) 'e more common%& meet those 'ho
thro(gh their +ehement contem.t an) con)emnation of
se0(a%it& )emonstrate mere%& their o'n ang(ish
regar)ing .ast inhi*itions of their (nreso%+e) se0(a%
e0.ression.
8ere 'e are )iffrentiating mere se0(a% re.ression,
fear, or 'i%% .o'er from nat(ra% (r)+aretas. -n an&case
gen(ine (r)+aretas a%so has a .rofo(n) effect (.on the
koshas an) es.ecia%%& the 5nanama&a kosha.
Ef co(rse - %eft o(t man& 4see)&4 )etai%s, *(t this
co(%) form a .%atform for f(rther e0.%oration of a
to.ic 'hich is (nfor&(nate%& %a)en 'ith 'i)es.rea)
g(i%t, fear, )istr(st, anger, an) contro+ers&.
Foo) -ntroG (t&m.anach(s c(.i)o, 3/30/99 2@=33 >"#
-Cm )ra'n to this theme
-t is m& e0.erience that if the h(man s.ecies is a*%e
to get in to(ch 'ith, em*race, an) honor the %ife
.rinci.%e in their e+er&)a& %ife then the& 'o(%) not *e
)e.en)ent (.on nor +ictimi/e) *& e0terna% a(thoritati+e
*ooks or s&stems, g(r(s, a..ro+a%, nee) for e0terna%
stat(s or .ri+i%ege, simi%ar ne(rotic com.ensator&
s&stems of fa%se sec(rit&, .aranoi) nee) for .o'er or
contro% o+er others, re%ate) mo)a%ities of 5ea%o(s&,
an) the %ike a%% of 'hich stem from this *asic
(nreso%+e) integration res(%ting in the aforementione)
%ist of insec(rities.
- (n)erstan) 4honoring the %ife .rinci.%e4 to mean the
.rocess of *ecoming f(%%& h(man - %earning to *a%ance
the nee) an) (rge for a%tr(ism, ser+ice an) coo.eration
'ith the nee)s of the in)i+i)(a% for se%f-act(a%i/ation
thro(gh se%f-(n)erstan)ing, creati+it&, .ersona%
master& (thinking, fee%ing, )oing# an) se%f-tr(st. 3hat
)o &o( mean *& itD
AAThankf(%%& &o( an) - )o not ha+e to 'orr& ho' to fin)
an a..ro.riate .artner for this a%chemica% reaction to
take .%ace...HH
>res(ma*%&, the st()& of Tantra offers the o..ort(nit&
for )ee.ening the *on) *(t change (more
kno'%e)ge/(n)erstan)ing, )ifferent e0.ectations...# can
ha+e a )o'n si)e too an) - s(s.ect itCs 'ise to kee.
that in min). !%sta)Cs -NT,B>,BSEN!9 YEF! is
instr(cti+e here - think.
Do(*t an&one 'i%% *e offen)e) an) - )o(*t -C%% 'rite
here as if the& might *e6 - in+ite &o( (an) an&one
e%se# to )o the same. -C%% *e )i..ing into the %i*rar&
to *ring some s.ecific an) e0.%icit comments from
others to the ta*%e.
- ma& ha+e conf(se) &o( 'ith the re+erse f%o' 2(estion.
- 'as referring to the .ractice of reco+ering
e5ac(%ate) semen an)/or a*sor*ing feminine genita%
secretions rather than the .ractice of e5ac(%ating into
the *%a))er or the energetic f%o' to'ar) the higher
chakras.
!ge a..ears to *e more of a factor in the )ec%ine in
4orgasmic nee)4 - ho'e+er the nee) for intimac& an) the
se0(a% transcen)enta% state a..ears to increase 'ith
fami%iarit& (.erha.s thatCs 5(st an (nreso%+e) gree)
thing# 'ith the a%tere) state.
,m.ire State 1%)g. (Shakti Das, 3/31/99 I1I09 >"#
1o*6 There is a 'e%% kno'n stor& a*o(t a .ast
reincarnation of the Da%ai 9ama, 'hich &o( ma& ha+e
hear), *(t *ears re.eating, that he (se) to stan) from
the roof of the >ota%a >a%ace, .ee, an) catch the .ee
right *efore it 'as a*o(t to hit the gro(n), an) then
re-a*sor* it.
The mo)ern age ho'e+er offers (s e+en greater ca%%enges
i.e., the ,m.ire State *%)g., etc. -#
Sorr& 'e got o(r signa%s crosse). !s - sai), - ha+enCt
.ractise) the e0terna% form of +a5ro%i, *(t a fe'
comments a*o(t it ma& *e he%.f(% as i ha+e *een
.ractising the other forms for 2(ite some time.
1# the .ractise of +a5ro%i *ack into the *%a))er seems
'orth%ess a%tho it is easi%& %earne). -t ma& e+en ca(se
.ro*%ems (n%ess .ratice) 4correct%&4.

2# the ancient *ooks )escri*e a .ath'a& of +a5ro%i
other than *ack into the *%a))er.
3# the .ractice of a*sor*ing the fema%e 5(ices (as 'e%%
as the ma%e 5(ices# is a gross mis-re.resentation (in
m& o.inion# an) *e%ongs to the schoo% of se0(a%
canni*a%ism. 3hat is a more s(*t%e (*(t a%so more
.o'erf(% .ractice in m& o.inion# is to mi%k an) s(ck
&o(r o'n 5(ices in an) (.'ar) 'itho(t an& e+er %ea+ing
the ti. in the first .%ace. 8ere the ma%e 5(ice *ecomes
com.o(n)e) (%ea) into go%)# 'hen s(ffient heat is
a..%ie) an) it is mi0e) 'ith the fema%e cata%&sts
('hich a%so is not a gross e0terna% s(*stance *(t
rather a s(*t%e essence#.
Yo( mention that &o( )o not *(& into the theor& that
%osing the .h&sica% s(*stance (e5ac(%ation# is
im.ortant6 *(t if &o( take into consi)eration the
com.%e0it& of teh com.o(n)s in+o%+e), the amo(nt of
'ork/energ& it takes the *o)& to man(fact(r it, that it
is hea+& in .rotein, an) that s(ch a man(fact(ring
.rocesss takes .riorit& in the ma%e oragnism o+er
a%most an&thing e%se, - )o not 'on)er 'h& some ma%es
cra+e rest an) .rotein after e5ac(%ation. -f men )i)
not e5ac(%ate their foo) cra+ings 'o(%) change
)ramatica%%&, their eating ha*its 'o(%) *e a%tere), an)
their energ& 'o(%) *e m(ch )ifferent.
Notice that - )i) not sa& not to e0.er(ience com.%ete
orgasm, *(t rather to ha+e a %ong %ong %ong orgasm *(t
'itho(t )issi.ation or %oss of f%(i).
The metho) that seems to 'ork *est here is the 99.9-
99.99 J .%atea( 'hich is mastere) thro(gh tria% an)
error.
8ere - )onCt 'ant to 'in) (. o+er%& ta%king a*o(t o(r
>..is *(t it is a to.ic often neg%ecte) (at %east in
.(*%ic# in energetic an) s.irit(a% terms.
So in other'or)s - am s(ggesting an energetic 'here the
man )oes not %ose his energ& in e5ac(a%tion an) the
'oman a%so )oes not %ose hers -- that *oth .eo.%e *ring
more an) more heightene) energ& to the e2(ation 'hich
forms a 'ho%e or (nit& (.ar)on the e0.ression# 'hich is
se%f acce%erating an) 'hich the& can e+ent(a%%& rest in
m(t(a% n(rt(re an) s(..ort. ! 'in-'in sit(ation i.e.,
the more em.o'ere) &o( are, the more &o( ha+e to share
'ith me an) +is +ersa.
8ere there is no nee) of +a5ro%i an) i s(s.ect *esi)es
the kri&a as.ect, the .ractice 'as geare) to sim.%&
gi+e the .ractitioner a sense of the energetics
in+o%+e) as 'e%% as 4contro%4 'hereas once %osss of
contro% is mastere) 'e can re%a0 in the o+era%% .rocess
'itho(t tension (or if 'e *e goa% oriente) can *e the
first to )o it off the em.ire state *(i%)ing - #
*ro )on
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Saha5o%i an) <a5ro%i (Shakti Das, @/3/99 1@113 !"#
!ct(a%%& to *e more )etai%e) +a5ro%i is s.ecifica%%&
concerne) a*o(t mo+ing the energ& (an) f%(i)s# in'ar)
an) (.'ar). The kri&a form is c%eansing of the ner+es
an) .h&sica% organs as 'e%% as o.ening of the .ath'a&s.
The e0terna% form can take on man& forms, *(t the
interna% form is .(re%& energetic. 1eca(se the ner+e
.ath'a&s are o.ene) an) c%eanse), there is more contro%
o+er the f(nctioning.
>ara)o0ica%%& this contro% a%%o's the sa)hak to either
restrict this f(nction or enhance it. !s man& notice in
a(thentic &oga .ractice a%% the organs, g%an)s, ner+es,
an) f(nctions are enhance) an) this inc%()es rightf(%%&
the re.ro)(cti+e organs. :nfort(nate%& man& (es.ecai%%&
in monastic %ife# fin) this to *e an a))e)
*(r)en/)istraction an)/or +ie'e) as an im.e)iment. 1(t
hatha &oga is not )esigne) to s(.ress, restrict,
constrict, or )iminish the nat(ra% %ife f(nctions.
8ence +a5ro%i *acame +a%(a*%e in this regar).
8ere 'e kee. the secon) chakra o.en, %et the energ&
mo+e 'itho(t fear or shame, an) either e0.ress it ('hen
it is a..ro.riate# or re)irect it 'itho(t constricting
or cringing from it. This is +er& simi%ar to BeichCs
theor& of ne(rotic *eha+io(r 'here the se0(a% charge if
not a%%o'e) to e0.ress itse%f 'o(%) 'in) (. f(e%ing
)e+iant, ne(rotic, an)/or .atho%ogica% *eha+io(r
((s(a%%& in+o%+ing +io%ence, a*(se, e0.%oitation of
others or in other cases se%f inhi*ition an)
'ith)ra'a%.
-n tantra an) hatha &oga instea) of )ischarging this
)amme) (. se0(a% energ& 'e %et it f%o' (%ike Beich#
e0ce.t that 'e )o not )ischarge it. 1asica%%& the
e0.(%sion of semina% f%(i) is a )ischarge6 &et it a%so
a%%o's a certain amo(nt of energ& to f%o' thro(gh the
s&stem6 'hi%e re.ression )oes not a%%o' an& energ& to
f%o' or fears its f%o'.
-n tantra an) hatha &oga the energ& is a%%o'e) to f%o'
T8BE:F8 the entire s&stem an) circ(%ate 'itho(t ca(sing
a sh(t)o'n. -t is +er& m(ch nat(ra%. This can *e )one
'ith asana, .rana&ama, an) +is(a%i/ation or it can *e
)one thro(gh acti+e tantric .ractice. -f it is acti+e
tantric .ractice 'ith a consort, circ(%ating the energ&
for at %east one ho(r in acti+e state is (s(a%%&
s(fficient to *(i%) (. eno(gh reser+es so that if
.h&sica% e5ac(%ation occ(rs the .h&sica% reser+es an)
res(%tant energetic .rocesses so initiate) to re.%enish
the .rocreati+e/hormona% reser+es ma& not *e straine).
This stress is a%so %ess in the a)o%escent an) *ecoming
more se+ere in o%)er men in genera%.
-t seems that f(nctiona% s(ccess in +a5ro%i is not
%earne) from techni2(es of constriction %ike the *ig
ho%), the *ig )ra', finger .ress(re, ana% .ress(re, or
'ith)ra'a% *(t rather con+erse%& *& o.ening an)
e0.an)ing. -n other 'or)s instea) of 'a%king aro(n)
tight asse) an) constricte) in the first t'o chakras
the secret is to kee. it o.en. This again ma& seem %ike
a .ara)o0 on the s(rface, *(t technica%%& one ma& %ook
at the .rocess scientifica%%& in this 'a&.
-f orgasm is a s.asm 'herein thro(gh a%ternations of
o.ening (. 'i)e, contracting strong%&, o.ening again,
an) contracting again, etc the semina% f%(i)s are
mi%ke) o(t or .ro.e%%e) from the ma%e s&stem, then it
is 5(st as eas& (is it not# to con5ect(re that kee.ing
the area o.en an) 'i)e 'o(%) 5(st as m(ch .re+ent the
s.asm (or *etter# than *& c%am.ing )o'n har) 'ith a
c%enche) 5a'D
!%tho(gh this a+en(e is not 'i)e%& )isc(sse), - ha+e
fo(nm) it e0treme%& +a%(a*%e. !%so kee.ing the right
nostri% o.en an) a%%o'ing onese%f to ins.ire 'ith the
*reath are a)5(ncts a%ong 'ith the stan)ar)
+is(a%i/ations that are more common%& gi+en. Th(s at
the first sign of s.asm or contraction (or *etter
*efore the onset of that state# *e a'are of the region
an) re%a0 it. 1e a'are of teh *reath in the right
nostri% an) inha%e thro(gh it. 1e a'are of teh energ&
in the *o)& an) the 4*ack *o)&4 an) mo+e it in the
)irection of f%o' *& o.ening (. the inner ca+e 'ithin.
This to.ic can go on in)efinite%& (here i mean *oth the
'or)s an) the .ractice#. 1(t to 4tie it (.4 (-#
saha5o%i is associate) 'ith the e0terna% .ractice of
)ra'ing (. e0terna% f%(i)s (or essences# an) .artic(%ar
se0(a% essences that ha+e *een e0.e%%e). -t is of
co(rse can *e th(s associate) as a s.ecia%i/e) case of
+a5ro%i or +a5ro%i co(%) *e consi)ere) a s.ecia%i/e)
case of saha5o%i.
!nother take of saha5o%i ho'e+er is a .ossi*%e inner
meaning 'here the semina% essence *ecomes .ro)(ce) an)
generate) in one area of the secon) chakra an) then
transferre), re)irecte), a*sor*e), an) im*i*e) into
another organ in this same region. ! kin) of inner f%o'
an) a%chem& takes .%ace 'itho(t an& e0terna%
secretions. -t is a%so then in this regar) that amaro%i
can a%so *e a..roache).
Technica%%&, if one
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1& the 'a& this )oes not a..%& on%& to those of the
ma%e .ers(asion. ,0.an)ing the e0.erience of 4orgasmic
energ&4 is something 'omen can )o as 'e%%. - ha+e
e0.erimente) 'ith )irecting the energ&, )iff(sing it
(more s.ace, %ess intensit&, %onger )(ration#. -f - am
ha+ing a .ro*%em in a .artic(%ar area of m& *o)& or in
m& %ife, - )irect or sen) the energ& there, ('ith m&
intention# as a 'a& of *ringing more a'areness, hea%ing
energ& to that iss(e.
So, %a)ies, &o( can *e a .art of this )isc(ssion too.
9o+e an) 1%essing, Fena
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!(thentic Tantra is 3ho%istic (Shakti Das, @/;/99 12@329 >"#
-n o(r e)(cation (or rather %ack of it# in regar)s to
a%% the rea% em.o'ering 2(estions s(ch as 'ho 'e are,
'hence 'e came from, 'hat is %ife, )eath, an) )isease
there is ami)st this (s(a%%& a se0(a% +oi), ri))%e, or
)ichotom& i.e., !)am an) ,+e, Sin an) .ara)ise,
.%eas(re an) .ain, etc.
-n o(r mise)(cation (to i)entif& 'ith .ain rather than
'ith ho' to re%ease it#, men es.ecia%%& kno' nothing
a*o(t fema%e se0(a%it&. To the man (from his o'n
e0.erience# the c(%mination of h(man se0(a%it& is in
the se0(a% act iste%f (se0(a% interco(rse# 'hich is a
.remat(re conc%(sion )ra'n from his o'n .h&sio%og&.
3hen (an) if# a man mat(res he can rea%i/e that things
are necessari%& +er& )ifferent for the the fema%e
es.ecia%%& in regar)s to her se0(a% organs. 8ere the
se0(a% act of (nion is on%& a first ste. in a more
so.histicate) creati+e/.rocreati+e .rocess. "anC)
ignorance (%ack of a'areness# in the f(%%er
im.%ications of his se0(a% ro%e an) i)entit& is the
ca(se of man& )iffic(%ties6 &et this )oes not ha+e to
*e the norm *eac(se this con)ition e0ists on%& *eca(se
of instit(tiona%i/e) fear, ignorance, .re5()ice, an)
neg%ect an) can th(s *e instit(tiona%i/e) o(t as 'e%%
('hen 'e instit(te +a%(es of res.ect for %ife, n(rt(re,
hea%ing, an) the %ife gi+ing .rocess -- +a%(es that are
tra)itiona%%& consi)ere) fema%e#.
Th(s a(thentic tantra not on%& seeks o(t the 'ho%istic
re%ationshi.s *et'een the *o)& an) the min), *et'een
nat(re an) s.irit, *et'een )ifferentiate) an)
(n)ifferentiate), *et'een Shekinah an) !&in, *(t a%so
*et'een the 'ho%istic inter-re%ationshi.s of manCs
c(%t(re an) societ& on one han) an) his conscio(sness
on the other -- *eca(se min) is con)itione) thro(gh
e0.eriences an) *eha+io(r is go+erne) *& o(r *e%iefs,
emotions, an) conscio(sness (or the %ack thereof#.
Tantra has a%'a&s ha) a c(%t(ra% as.ect, an) to)a& in
or)er to make it +ita% an) re%e+ant (rec%aim it from
the %i*rarians, historians, inte%%ect(a%s, an)
c(riosit& seekers# its 'ho%istic as 'e%% as c(%t(ra%
inter-re%ationshi.s ha+e to *e integrate) in a .resent
)a& +ita% s&nthesis an) to me this .ro+es to *e *oth a
+er& ferti%e gro(n) as 'e%% as a nee)e) creati+e
e+o%(tion.
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Fosh got these o(t of s&nch. - tho(ght this .ost 'as
going to .recee) 'hat is no' the .rece)ing .ost, *(t
no' to .rocee)...
Thanks Fena6
Yes a%most a%% of the o%)er %iterat(re regar)ing hatha
&oga an) tantra &oga 4.res(mes4 that the sa)hak is a
ma%e, an) as s(ch man& of the gi+en .ractices on%&
a))resses ha%f the .o.(%ation, *(t in fact &oginis ha+e
an e2(a%%& %ong histor& in &oga (not a%% (n)oc(mente)#.
The 4%ack4 of s(..ort in this regar) 4historica%%&
s.eaking4 is c(%t(ra%%& *ase) ('here in tra)itiona%
-n)ian societ&, 'omen ha) ro%es )esignate) for them
that 'ere rather ()are i sa&D# 4o+er%&4 %imite)#.
-n the "ahasi))ha tra)ition an) &oga tra)ition of
"e)ie+a% -n)ia s(ch c(%t(ra% %imitations seeme) to ha+e
*een consi)era*%& a%tere) (not s(r.risng%& it *eing
a%so the go)%en age of hatha an) tantra &oga#. Ef %ate,
*oth S'ami Si+anan)a (Di+ine 9ife Societ&# an) more so
S'ami Sat&anan)a (1ihar Schoo% of Yoga# ha+e taken
stri)es in making these .ractices more re%e+ant to
fema%es 'hich 'e can )isc(ss if there is interest. Ef
co(rse Esho 'as a%so +er& m(ch concerne) a%ong these
same %ines.
-t seems that coming from se.aration an) .o%arit& on a
.h&sica% %e+e%, the man is the .ro+i)er, gi+er,
emitter, .ro+i)ing essence an) see) -- he is the so%i)
energ&, an) har)ness6 'hi%e the fema%e is the recei+er,
rece.tac%e, the )isso%+er, an) the softness6 ho'e+er in
tantra (an) in (nion# these ro%es *ecome re+erse) 'hen
the ma%e/fema%e .o%arit& is *a%ance) i.e., the manCs
har) contra.e)a% e0.an)s to centrif(ga% 'hi%e the
fema%eCs centrif(ga% energ& com.acts into contra.e)a%
-- .o%arit& an) se.arate se0(a% i)entitifications
)isso%+e an) 'or)s (*ase) on se.aration# fai% to
)isting(ish the t'o from the greater %i+ing 'ho%e or
ne(ra% circ(it that is forme) an) 'hich then transforms
its .arts (the ma%e an) fema%e# 'hen this ne(ra%
circ(it is inter-connecte), a%igne), an) acti+ate).
The .oint - am tr&ing to make ('ith )iffic(%t&# is that
the .o%ar energetics of the 4norma%4 state of
se.arateness characteri/e) *& 'hat is 4norma%%&4
2(antifie) as ma%e an) fema%e attri*(tes, is 2(ite
)ifferent from the non-.o%ar or energi/e)
characteristics of the .artici.ants 'ho engage in a
tantric re%ationshi. to achie+e f%o'.
8ere there occ(rs an arcing o+er from the ma%e essence
to the fema%e an) +is+ersa ('itho(t s.asm or o+er%oa)#
an) (as Fena )escri*es# the a*i%it& to stream energ&
an) achie+e f%o' in the entire *io.s&chic organism if
'e a%%o' o(rse%+es to conscio(s%& .artici.ate in the
.rocess.
-n this %ast regar), there are t'o o..osing schoo%s.
The tra)itiona% tantric schoo% is *ig on )irecting the
energ& thro(gh the chakras an)/or .s&chic energ&
s&stems (for hea%ing or s.irit(a% e+o%(tion# thro(gh
the *reath an) other +is(a%i/ation .ractices6 'hi%e
another schoo% (>a(% 9o'e is one# s(ggests that 'e 4)o4
nothing 'ith the min), *(t rather fo%%o' the 5(ice,
a%ign 'ith the centra% a0is, ask the *ig 2(estion
*e&on) an& of the 'or)s, an) not e+en 4concei+e4 of
*athing in the non-conce.t(a%, *(t rather contin(a%%&
)ro. !99 %imiting conce.ts as in me)itation, etc.
$rom m& e0.erience, thro(gh .ractice it is far easier
to achie+e 4master&4 in the former a..roach ('hich ma&
.ro+e to *e a )ea) s.irit(a%%&#, than to e0.%ore the
)e.ths of the %atter 'hich ma& kno' no *o(n)s.
!re these the t'o o..osite a..roaches or are there
othersD -t is 'e%% .ast time to consi)er this most
intimate interaction *et'een t'o .eo.%e 'ho %o+e each
other as a s.irit(a% interco(rse/)ia%og(e on a )ee.
%e+e%, rather than as a sin or a mere act of
.rocreation. This 'o(%) go +er& far in re)(cing m(ch of
the se0(a% ne(rosis, tension, an) )&sf(nctiona% a*(se
far too ram.i) in to)a&Cs societ& if h(man *eings
%ooke) (.on their *o)ies, nat(re, their nat(ra%
f(nctions, creation/creator, %ife an) hea%ing in a
non-%imiting, %ife affirming, nat(re an) *o)& .ositi+e
tantra &oga conte0t of sim.%& *eing a .ractice
(sa)hana# of integration -- the sim(%taneo(s
s&nergistic (nion of the t'o into the one -- the
shi+a/shakti or tai-chi (&in/&ang#.
1oth se0es ha+e s(ffere) from this ignorance (ignoring
an) fearing se0(a%it& or e0.eriencing g(i%t or shame in
this regar)# for far too %ong ('omen an) chi%)ren
s(ffering as +ictims more than *& the .h&sica%%&
stronger an) more +io%ent%& .rone men#. $rom 'hat - see
men 'onCt change m(ch as %ong as the& go thro(gh the
.resent 3estern ne(rotic a)o%escent rit(a%s an)
4training4 (*& ommission# 'hich most certain%& is a
h(ge factor in sha.ing their a)(%t se0(a% attit()es an)
ha*its. This )&sf(nction in mo)ern socia% science (or
rather in the %ight of the %ack of an& socia% science
other than g(i%t an) *%ame# in regar)s to ca(se an)
effect is for me .roof of the manifestation of a 'i)e
)isconnection, g(%f, ren), tra(ma, )enia%, a%ienation,
an) se.aration.
Foing a'a& for a fe' )a&s to the North co(ntr&, *(t
%ook for'ar) to some 4action4 here. (-#
%o+e
)onn&
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connecting. (earth'orm, @/I/99 =0K09 >"#
The )ramatic hea%ing taking .%ace 'ithin me of %ate is
%ea)ing me to a )ee.er .%ace 'ith m& %o+er, h(s*an),
co-.arent, .artner, 7ohn. The .rocess has %e) (s into
o(r .ainf(% re%ationa% ho%)ings. >rocessing an)
o.ening to the .ain an) then re%easing it 'itho(t
kno'ing the o(tcome has *een %ea)ing (s into (nkno'n
territor&. T"!9SS (To make a %ong stor& short#, the
effects are fe%t in o(r se0(a% re%ationshi.6 attraction
an) e0.ression. 8o' can the& not *e as it is a%%
interconnecte). !s 'e are sti%% +er& m(ch in the
.rocess an) (nc%ear a*o(t ho' to .rocee), - ha+e aske)
-nfinite "in) for F(i)ance a*o(t the ne0t ste..
Ene of the interesting cha%%enges 'e face is that - am
+er& m(ch roote) in Yogic .ractice (Conscio(s (nion
'ith the -nfinite# an) 7ohn, a%tho(gh some'hat
o.en-min)e), he is t&.ica% of most ma%e !mericans, that
is he is sti%% some'hat roote) in the c(%t(ra%
o*5ectification of 'omen an) har)ene) *& the
se.arateness engen)ere) in that stance. 8e has trie)
asana an) fin)s it 4*oring4. - 'ant to intro)(ce him
to the i)eas of tantra an) - kno' he 'i%% initia%%& see
it thro(gh his con)itione) %ens *(t - *e%ie+e in the
transformati+e .o'er an) energ& of conscio(s (nion 'ith
the -nfinite.
- fee% 'e are on the +erge of )isco+ering some
.rofo(n)%& ne' 'a&s of re%ating *(t in the .resent are
e0.eriencing some 4)eath4 of the o%) 'a&s. Ene of m&
2(estions .ro*a*%& ref%ecting m& mi)'est .(ritan se0(a%
ignorance is, ho' )oes a co(.%e go a*o(t %earning
a(thentic tantric .racticeDDDD
"(ch o*%ige), Fena
)e%(rking... (t&m.anach(s c(.i)o, @/9/99 9@329 !"#
...momentari%&. 1een chasing m& tai% L)onCt s(cc(m* to
that (rge to get c(te, no', *(t &es thatCs a .riorit&
too 6-# M %ate%& - ne' com.(ters N S(O is changing 5o*s
(she 'i%% *e marketing in the :S 3est for !CS# an) 'i%%
*e 'orking at home (so 'eC+e *een *(s& getting a home
office together for her#. S(O is .%anning on getting a
reg(%ar ,rich fi0 at some of his Santa "onica c%asses
'hen she 'i%% *egins tra+e%ing to 9! occasiona%%& for
her ne' 5o*.
The t'o of (s ha+e *een )oing o(r home'ork (trick&
to.ic this one, 'hen it comes to the c%iches# +ia
*ooks, +i)eos, ta%king to frien)s 'ho ha+e ha) forma%
43estern4 tantra instr(ction (as &o( ha+e er, note),
Fena, Tantra is a )e%icate area - not a%% the
re%ationshi. res(%ts ha+e *een goo)#, &oga, *reath'ork,
massage, me)itation, thinking, 'riting, c(%ti+ating
%o+e rit(a%s P'e sho'er together near%& e+er& )a& 'eCre
*oth in-to'n an) then a..%& *o)& cream to each other -
gi+e it a 'hir%, itCs a non-se0(a% rit(a% that a))s
some &(mm& LthatCs 'hat - often ca%% 4m&4 (some of
these .ossessi+e things are kin)a f(n# S(Oie -
Yoganan)a Y(mm&M intimac&Q, 'orking on emotiona%
master& an) assessing o(r e0.ectations a*o(t a tantra
.ractice.
3e a%% ha+e c(%t(ra%%& )eri+e) iss(es - some 'e kno'
a*o(t, some 'e )onCt. Tantra 'i%% take &a )o'n to the
*are meta% - as )onn& has .ointe) o(t, it 'i%% )o 'a&
more than am. &o(r se0 %ife (se0 as in the somatic
st(ff, most%&#. 1(t then, thatCs 'hat 'eCre a%%
sh(ff%ing to'ar)s an&'a&, h(hD 1are meta%.
4So 'hen are 'e gonna 2(it scre'ing aro(n) an) start
'a%kinC the ta%k,4 &a 'anna kno'D YeahD
No r(sh - - (se) to think there 'as, *(t thereCs not.
The 4a(thentic4 .art seems to come as 'e *ecome more
a(thentica%%& o(rse%+es. Yo(C+e got to 'ork at it a
%itt%e (&oga an) st(ff# *(t essentia%%& &o( a%rea)&
kno' ho' - the c(%t(re sim.%& *eat (sometimes
%itera%%&# it o(t of &o(.
St(ff 'eC+e fo(n) (sef(% (a*o(t 20J of 'hat 'eC+e
%ooke) at# so far.
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-C%% take a %ook at St(ff.
- ho.e S(O %ikes her ne' 5o*. Nice 9.!. .erkG
9o+e, Fena
earth'orm (earth'orm, @/10/99 30;=0 >"#
4St(ff4 )oesnCt seem to 'ork for me (internet
e0.%orerD# !n& s(ggestionsD
Fena
St(ff (crota%(s, @/12/99 1=300 !"#
(8i))en Bes.onse....1;K %ines#
Yeah, - kno' ... (crota%(s, @/12/99 1=K12 !"#
...the interna% %inks are *roken *(t itCs the o(tsi)e
ones 'eCre offering here.
3e* site 'i%% *e *ack (. soon - *etcha.
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3hoaG (earth'orm, @/12/99 111;@9 !"#
Thanks 1o*. 9ooks %ike &o(C+e com.i%e) a %ot of
reso(rces. -C%% *e a+ai%ing m&se%f of some of them.
Fena
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1oring R "issing 7(iceG (Shakti Das, @/12/99 331@; >"#
Thanks Fena for the s(*5ect, a 2(estion that has
cata%&/e) some )ee.er .erco%ations. 8ere are some
tho(ghts (ho.e that the& )o not miss 4the mark4 too
far#. - hesitate *eca(se m& o'n .assion for se0(a%
tantra has )'in)%e) in the .ast fe' &ears6 &et - sti%%
remem*er ho' m(ch - s(ffere) from m& ignorance of it in
m& &o(th an) ho.e (if s(ch is .ossi*%e# to he%. others
a+oi) that nee)%ess%&.
The 'ho%e i)ea of se0(a% tantra conscio(s%& merging an)
a%igning 'ith the e+o%(tionar&/creati+e/.rocreati+e
energ& an) acti+it& is no tri+ia% acti+it&, *(t rather
is sacre), .rofo(n), .(re, an) nat(ra%. 3hen this
.rocess is ignore), conf(se), an)/or mis(n)erstoo),
%ife itse%f is not honore) an) a *asic 4(nfee%ingness4,
)isconnection, a%ienation, an) a*an)onment is
e0.erience).
- %ike 1o*Cs s(ggestion, es.ecia%%& if n(m*er t'o *e%o'
is occ(rring. "ost of (s can *enefit from %o+ing to(ch
'hi%e .(rging the inherite) fears associate) 'ith *eing
to(che) (or its %ack# or coming 4in to(ch4 'ith or
o'ning o(r fee%ings.
-tCs he%.f(% to check an) e0.%ore innocent%& ('itho(t
*%ame or g(i%t# in 'hat 'a&s o(r re%ationshi.s are not
s.ontaneo(s an) are *eing he%) in stasis. Creating a
safe s.ace 'here *oth .eo.%e can e0.%ore the territor&
*e&on) s(.erficia%it& an) i%%(sion/)e%(sion that 'i%%
%ea) to greater a(thenticit& an) energ& f%o', 'hich in
t(rn 'i%% %ea) to greater intimac&, o.enness, an)
s.ontaneo(s interaction is 'here the .rofo(n)%&
inte%%igent an) hea%ing 5(ice of creati+e/.rocreati+e
re%ationshi.s %a&. -tCs not a%'a&s eas& to create this
.%atform for o(r se%f %et a%one sim(%taneo(s%& (an)
s.ontaneo(s%&# 'ith another .artner -- this *eing
act(a%%& 2(ite a )ee., .o'erf(%, mat(re, an) .rofo(n)
.ractice. To a%%o' this to occ(r a%% the time (as se%f
hea%ing# is the cr(0 of the .ractice is it notD
The *est re%ationshi. is a s.irit fi%%e) one not for
the .(r.ose of satisf&ing the m&ria) insec(rities of a
)iso'ne) earth chakra in mire) attachments in+o%+ing
e0terna% economic or socia% fears/o*%igations, *(t
rather as a .artnershi. of %i+ing %o+e an) m(t(a%
e0.%oration into Se%f. 1oth .arties m(st agree on its
genera% foc(s or o+era%% .(r.ose, e+en tho(gh the& ma&
most %ike%& )iffer on the metho)s or means. -f a
re%ationshi. can *e ke.t r(th%ess%& &o(ng, %o+ing,
hea%ing, an) treate) as an e0.%oration of conscio(sness
an) Se%f, then she))ing the o%) armor, )&sf(nctiona%
.ast garments, an)/or o%) negati+e aff%ictions an)
.ro.ensities (k%eshas an) +asanas# 'i%% *e a%as eas&,
*eca(se 'hen the& come (., the& can *e conscio(s%&
recogni/e) an) )iscar)e).
S.ecifica%%& to res.on) to the 2(estion, there are
)ifferent reasons ()e.en)ing on the (ni2(e
characteristic .atterns of the in)i+i)(a%# 'h& tantric
.ractice ma& *e consi)ere) 4*oring4.
1# 3e ma& a%%o' (a%tho(gh this is (nfort(nate%& not the
most common sit(ation# that the .erson has achie+e)
(r)+aretas ((.'ar) f%o'# 'here there is no %onger an&
.o%ar stasis (an) th(s no %onger an& energ& e0change)
an) transforme) )(ring se0(a% re%ations#. -f the .erson
en5o&s 'hat is ca%%e) 4norma% se04 (*(t is rea%%&
reacti+e/)ischarge se0# then this sit(ation )oes not
a..%& an) 'e m(st %ook f(rther.
2# "ore common%& the acti+it& is not en5o&e) *eca(se
the energ& is )amne) (., re.resse), feare),
intimi)ate), inhi*ite), tort(re), an)/or there is a
.h&sio%ogica% )&sf(nction i.e., one is not in to(ch
'ith their fee%ings an) %ife energ&. -f the .erson
en5o&s the 4common4 )ischarge t&.e se0, this sit(ation
ma& a%so not .%a& an significant factor in the .resent
sit(ation.
3# !%tho(gh each sit(ation is (ni2(e, 'e 'i%% ass(me
the most common sit(ation 'here the tantric .ractice is
inefficient, (nski%%e), an)/or too contro%%e) an)
rigi). Th(s the *e%o' 'i%% 4.res(me4 this sit(ation
(?3# for %ack of f(rther )ata. This is at %east the
.itfa%% that - ma)e (an) - ass(me it ma& *e re%e+ant to
others#.
So &o( 'i%% ha+e to %et me kno' if this a..%ies, *(t -
'i%% contin(e a *it a%ong these %ines (in sit(ation
n(m*er three# r(%ing o(t one an) t'o a*o+e.
$irst%&, if the ma%e e+ent(a%%& %earns the 99-99.9J
techni2(e the acti+it& is far more .%eas(ra*%e than
e5ac(%ator& orgasm. 3hat occ(rs *rief%& is that the man
%earns to *e a'are of his o'n ne(ro-.h&sio%ogica%
.rocess of e5ac(%ator& orgasm. -nstea) of *eing *ore)
'ith not a..roaching orgasm (*eing *ore) an)
fr(strate)# he %earns ho' to get e+er c%oser to f(%%
orgasm conscio(s%&. $or most men, this is %earne)
thro(gh tria% an) error gra)(a%%& an) e+er more s(*t%&
(nti% one e0.erientia%%& rea%i/es
a# that e5ac(%ator& orgasm is a s.asm
*# that the greatest .%eas(re is at the moment .rior to
e5ac(%ation
c# that the e5ac(%ation is a )ischarge (re%ease# of
se0(a% tension .o%ar charge# not its c(%mination
)# that a far greater charge an) energetic e0change
res(%ting in a far more .%eas(ra*%e an) energ& f%o'
(streaming# thro(gh the entire s&stem (at first at the
se0(a% organs# can *e s(staine) for e0ten)e) .erio)s of
time *(i%)ing (. entire%& s(fficient energ& for the
a%chemica% .rocess (the e%i0ir com.o(n)e)# to *e
accom.%ishe) 'ith tota% f(%fi%%ment.
The a*o+e is a ne(ro-.h&sio%ogica%, hormona%, an)
.h&sica% )escri.tion of the .rocess in 'hich *ore)om is
o+ercome to a %imite) e0tent, ho'e+er e+en here, if the
.rocess goes on in)efinite%& one ma& ask 'hat is the
.oint (too m(ch of an&thing -- e+en orgasm can *ecome
*oring#. So if this is the case i.e., a-) has *ecome
accom.%ishe), then most %ike%& 'e m(st %ook to %ess
contro% an) a)) more 5(ice to the tantric .ractice.
No' 'e are ass(ming that *oth .artners agree to the
s.irit(a% .rinci.%es or .(r.ose of the s.irit(a%
.artnershi. in the first .%ace an) NET that it is the
ro%e of one .artner to .%eas(re or gratif& the other.
!n& .artnershi. *ase) on the gratification of one or
e+en *oth the .artners, is *ase) on *arter,
se%fishness, )esire, an) nee) an) 'i%% s(ffer from the
norma% .itfa%%s of gree), com.etition, conf%ict,
)eceit, e0.%oitation, 5ea%o(s&, an) simi%ar ego re%ate)
a*(ses. ,+en if one .artner is gratifie) *&
gratif&ing/.%eas(ring the other the e+ent(a% *(r)en of
se.arateness 'i%% sti%% not *e reso%+e) *& itse%f. -n
other 'or)s e+en if the gratification is *ase) on
trans.ersona% fee%ings, the enigma of a )(a%istic
*(r)en remains (nreso%+e) 'hich has the see) .otentia%
to %ea) (s into .ossi*%e f(t(re aff%ictions.
3ith this ass(m.tion, then 'e m(st %ook at the se0(a%
(nion as a greater 4.artici.ation4 or 5oining 'ith the
acti+it& of creating %ife itse%f (itCs the 'a& h(mans
.artici.ate in e+o%(tion#. The .%eas(re *eing on%& a
s&m.tom of the re%ease of se0(a% tension (.o%arit&#,
*(t not the .(r.ose/goa% of the acti+it& (%ess 'e .%ace
the cart *efore the horse#. So if 'e a..roach the
acti+it& as a trans.ersona% a)+ent(re to att(ne thro(gh
the .rocreati+e energetic/organs 'ith creation/creator
(the So(rce# this *ecomes a
trans+er*a%/transconce.tiona% 5o(rne& 'hich 'e m(st
nat(ra%%& a%%o' to contin(e an) f%o'. 8ere thro(gh
a(thentic &oga, 'e 4to(ch4 (.on the greater Se%f.
-n other 'or)s, the .artici.ants at first )o ha+e to
%earn ho' to contro% the )issi.ating or )ischarging
(rge (or *e grace) to fin)# a certain amo(nt of
conscio(s orgasmic s(stenance (firing the .ot so to
s.eak# so that the energ& %e+e% is s(fficient%&
esta*%ishe) in the first .%ace, *(t the contro% .art
(nfort(nate%& can too easi%& *ecome o+er%& restricti+e
or 4*oring4. So ha+ing )escri*e) the
ne(ro-.h&sio%ogica%, an) hormona% (annama&a kosha# , 'e
%ook at the more ca(sati+e energetic (.ranama&a kosha#
.o%arities he%) together *& the min), emotions, an)
*e%ief s&stems,
3itho(t going into e%a*orate )etai% here, *(t rather
)escri*ing t'o .hases of the acti+it&. The first .hase
can attem.t a contro%%e) or s.ecific hea%ing rit(a%,
.s&chic ner+e +is(a%i/ation, .ra&er, or ceremon& sho(%)
on%& *e one .hase (contro%%e)# of the tantric acti+it&.
Then 'e m(st a%so a%%o' another rece.ti+e, me)itationa%
.hase for non-conce.tiona%, %istening an)/or e+en
s.ontaneo(s *(t conscio(s (saha5# me)itation 'here the
energ& is e0change) an) interaction occ(rs conscio(s%&,
s.ontaneo(s%&, a(thentica%%&, an) nat(ra%%&, 'itho(t
an& .re-arrange) conce.tion or acti+ation of +o%ition
to e0.%ore 'itho(t 4s(cc(m*ing4 to )ischarge -- 5(st
fo%%o' it to 4com.%etion4. 8ere 'e can chose to (ti%i/e
the *reath as a mo)(%ator of the fire or 'e ma& a%%o'
to s(rren)er the *reath as 'e%% (.on creationCs a%tar.
Simi%ar%& the first .hase ma& *e the rece.ti+e .hase
'hi%e the secon) .hase the contro%%e) .hase, en)ing
'ith )e)ication of merit for e+ent(a% conscio(s
a'akening of a%% *eings S(inc%()ing 4se%f4. Er 'e ma&
a%ternate *et'een rece.ti+e an) contro%%e) .hases.
!s &o( kno' there are so man& (.ro*a*%& en)%ess#
me)itations/+is(a%i/ations that 'e can )o .artnere),
*(t the most e0.e)ient acti+it& for o(r o'n (ni2(e
sit(ation m(st *e c(stomi/e) thro(gh 4'is)om4 ((.a&a#.
Thro(gh (.a&a a greater f(%fi%%ment 'i%% *e rea%i/e)
('hich 'i%% not %ea) to *ore)om# an) there is energ&,
5o&, kin)ness, ha..iness, e2(animit&, hea%ing, an)
%o+e there.
-n other 'or)s some sort of s&nergistic *a%ance *et'een
right an) %eft, conscio(s an) (nconscio(s, ma%e an)
fema%e, 'i%%f(% an) rece.ti+e, m(st *e a%igne).
-n other 'or)s some 4.ro*%ems4 are )(e to fa%%ing into
st(.or an) (nconscio(sness in regar)s to )issi.ati+e
(as 'e%% as )istracti+e# se0(a% knee 5erk acti+ities
('hich is *& far the norma% sit(ation#, *(t in tantra
the o..osite .itfa%% (of too m(ch contro%# is a%so to
*e a+oi)e). !s %ong as *oth .artners are committe)
to'ar) coming together to rea%i/e the &oga ((nion# of
sama)hi a )ee.er heartfe%t connection 'ith o(r core
energ& an) So(rce 'i%% *e e+ent(a%%& f%o'. So 'e m(st
*e caref(% that 'hen 'e .ractice in or)er to
contin(o(s%& mo+e the stagnant energ& an) esta*%ish
f%o' that 'e )o not contri*(te to the o..osite effect.
8ere - am ta%king a*o(t m& o'n e0.erience as - ha)
o+er%& re)(ce) it )o'n at one time to a mechanica% (an)
e+en (nfee%ing mechanism# 'itho(t rea%i/ing it an) th(s
ho.e to 'arn others of this .itfa%% ('hich is not often
)isc(sse)#.
- (se) to st()& 'ith Dr. Ste.hen Chang, 'ho 'as a
Chinese ac(.(nct(rist, her*a%ist, an) &ogi 'ho 'as *oth
+er& h(moro(s in his .resentation an) a%so 2(ite
)etai%e). There is one +is(a%i/ation .ractice that ma&
*e more re%e+ant a%ong these %ines *eca(se it com*ines
*oth a sim(%taneo(s conscio(s +o%itiona% acti+it& .hase
an) a fee%ing kinesthetic .hase, 'hich - 'i%% share
%ater, *(t this is a%rea)& a %ong .ost.
1K of 22; Yoga Conference.32.1K
EmD (9ot(s1I3, I/1K/99 121=32 >"#
-C) %ike something to share 'ith &o( a%% that - fin)
+er& interesting. - )onCt ha+e as m(ch to sa& as Shakti
Das *(t to me itCs im.ortant. >eo.%e that -Cm se0(a%%&
attracte) to seem to *e se0(a%%& attracte) to me, *(t
.eo.%e 'ho - am not se0(a%%& attracte) to are not
se0(a%%& attracte) to me. -tCs rea%%& neat. - am not
se0(a%%& attracte) to someone (.on them sa&ing the& are
se0(a%%& attracte) to me, an) 'hat )ra's me to *e
se0(a%%& attracte) to someone is their .h&sica%
a..earance. - 'on)er if the se0(a% attraction *et'een
.eo.%e is sort of a min) connection or something.
1; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.1;
,rich Schiffmann (schiffmann, I/1K/99 3=32@ >"#
Nice in2(ir&. -Cm g(essing that someoneCs a..earance is
the e0.ression of their .resence, an) that 'hat &o( are
rea%%& attracte) to is their energ&... 'hich, &es, is a min)
thing.
1I of 22; Yoga Conference.32.1I
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/1;/99 =3@0; !"#
co(%) se0(a%it& *e a ref%ection of the s(.reme
attracti+eness of the )i+ineD
1o* Co0 (crota%(s, I/1;/99 1030@9 !"#
The &oga of se0 seems to me to *e the &oga of )i+init&
'itho(t the +ei%s.
!%% 'as not 'hat - *e%ei+e) (9ot(s1I3, I/1;/99 @010= >"#
Yester)a& - 'as confronte) *& someone 'ho to%) me that
the& 'ere se0(a%%& attracte) to me, *(t not in the e0act
'or)s as that. 1(t - am not se0(a%%& attracte) to them.
That 'as another interesting thing to me *eca(se it 'as
%ike Fo) 'as te%%ing me that sometimes .eo.%e can *e
se0(a%%& attracte) to me *(t - )onCt fee% a se0(a%
attraction to them.
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/1;/99 K303I >"#
ra', (n)i%(te), .(re shaktiG Then 'h& a%% the
strange .orno )e+iationsD
DD (9ot(s1I3, I/19/99 23311 >"#
3hat )o &o( mean *& .orno )e+iationsD !n) 'hat is shaktiD
3i%%
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, I/19/99 =0I=3 >"#
Te+in,
-f - (n)erstan) &o(r 2(estion, Te+in, &o( ask 'here the
im.et(s for .orn comes from.
9ate%&, - ha+e *een thinking a %ot a*o(t the .ornogra.h&
iss(e, .ro*a*%& *eca(se - ha+e a 13-&ear o%) )a(ghter 5(st
reaching .(*ert& an) am 'orrie) a*o(t her safet& in o(r4
an&thing goes4 se0(a% c(%t(re. - a%so ha+e a 1@-&ear son, 'ho is,
*& nat(re, +er& conser+ati+e.
- ha+e a%'a&s *een anti-censorshi. an) most%& %i*era%
in o(t%ook, es.ecia%%& as regar)s se0(a% iss(es. 1(t, %ate%&, -
ha+e %ost .atience 'ith the .orn a.o%ogists. 1o* an) -
)isagree mighti%& on this one, *(t - sa& its time that
men 'ho care a*o(t the 'omen an) gir%s in their %i+es
take action to .(t a sto. to .ornogra.h&Cs ram.ant
s.rea) - at %east make a )ecision not to in)(%ge in it
themse%+es. - 'o(%) think this is more of an 4ahimsa4 iss(e
than not eating meat, for e0am.%e.
The other )a&, - 'as 'e*-s(rfing 'ith m& )a(ghter, %ooking
for some of her fa+orite m(sic gro(.s. !fter c%icking on
'hat %ooke) %ike a m(sic site, her com.(ter 'as fi%%e)
'ith image after image of gir%s ('ho %ooke) her age#
engage) in a%% manner of se0 acts. C%icking the 4U4 in the
right corner on%& ca(se) e+en more images to sho'. -t
took se+era% min(tes to ki%% them a%% off. 3hat )i)
those images te%% her a*o(t herse%f an) her *o)&D 3hat
)i) the& te%% her a*o(t se0(a%it&D - 'on)ere) a*o(t
those &o(ng gir%s Des.ite the fe' 'omen 'ho c%aim to
en5o& their ro%e in making .ornogra.h&, most of them
ha+e +er& sa) an) tro(*%e) %i+es.
-n m& .ost on Freat "oments in Yoga ('hich no one 'o(%)
to(ch 'ith a ten foot &oga mat#, - .ro+i)e) an
in-the-moment acco(nt of 'hat it fee%s %ike to *e a
'oman acci)enta%%& %ost in a .orn )istrict, in a *ig cit&
that is not her home, after 5(st ha+ing ha) a 'on)erf(%
&oga c%ass. -t 'as an (g%& .ost, *(t it 'as an (g%& moment-
)ri+ing *& signs that screame) 4.(ss&4 in neon, %ocking m&
)oors an) ho.ing for no re) sto. %ights. 9ike - sai),
e0act%& 38ES, free)om )i) 'e concern o(rse%+es 'ith
'hen 'e ma)e the 'or%) safe for .ornogra.h&D
>orn is ho' c(%t(res kee. the hierachica% )omination
str(ct(res in .%ace. >orn, *& .%acing a 'e)ge *et'een men
an) 'omen, creates the first fami%ia% *reak)o'n.
>orn isnCt genera%%& something one )oes 4'ith4 'omen, *(t
something that is )one 4to4 'omen. >orn is something men
genera%%& )o a'a& from their 'omen an) fami%ies (or at
%east hi)e from them#, in +en(es 'here 4*on)ing4 'ith other men
is accom.%ishe) to the t(ne of the *(m. an) grin) an)
'here the on%& .artici.ation genera%%& a%%o'e) *& 'omen
is as o*5ects.
T&rannies contro% a%% of (s *& )isr(.ting o(r nat(ra%
fami%ia% *on)s. >orn is .asse) on from generation to
generation s.ecifica%%& for this reason.
"& son atten)e) a s.orts training cam. this s(mmer at
the !ir $orce !ca)em&. 8e kno's a%% a*o(t se0, *(t a%most
nothing a*o(t .orn. 8e came home 2(ite )ist(r*e) *eca(se
the &o(ng men ha) initiate) him into the terms an)
con)itions of .ornogra.h&. - think he 'as gen(ine%&
shocke) to hear a*o(t things s(ch as 4)oing her goo),4 4fSSSing her
e&es o(t,4 4No means Yes4 etc.# !t 1@, he co(%) see it 'as an
ina..ro.riate 'a& to re%ate to the 'omen in oneCs %ife.
- )onCt think it 'as *& acci)ent that this 'as an
e0treme%& Christian cro') in an e0treme%& conser+ati+e
mi%itar& en+ironment.
Be%igio(s se0(a% o..ression .ro+i)es the *ree)ing
gro(n) for .ornCs acce.tance. >orn a%ienates (s from
hea%th& se0(a%it& an) ena*%es this entire )omination
str(ct(re in 'hich 'e %i+e.
Ef co(rse, t&rannies (se o(r o'n Desires an) Free) to
contro% (s ()onCt - kno' it#. That is 'h& &oga (es.ecia%%&
tantra# rea%%& -S )angero(s to those hierarchica%
re%igionists 'ho tr(%& (n)erstan) its .otentia%. Yoga, in
%i*erating (s, (nfastens the *in)ings of o*e)ience-*ase)
re%igion an) socia% interaction.
4>orn )e+iations4 a..ea% to the ma%e *io%ogica% (rge to
.rocreate 'itho(t res.onsi*i%it&. 1(t the f%& in the
ointment is that se0 *on)s men to 'omen in a +er& )ee.
'a& an) ten)s to co(nteract this (rge. Since fami%ia%
*on)ing is the *ane of a%% t&rannies, .orn is (se) to
)isr(.t the se0(a% *on) *& o*5ectif&ing 'omen in
genera%.
>orno )e+iations in tantra occ(r for the same reason
that se0(a% .er+ersion is common in other re%igio(s
tra)itions (s(ch as >e)o.hi%ia in the Catho%ic Ch(rch or
chi%) se0(a% a*(se 'ithin the e+ange%ica% circ%es#. Tantra
e+o%+e) 'ithin a re%igio(s tra)ition that margina%i/e)
an) )i+i)e) 'omen into 'hores (those 'ho are free# an)
ma)onnas (those 'ho are o'ne), not *& the men 'ho think
the& o'n them, *(t *& the t&rnannies that contro% (s a%%.# -f
&o( )o(*t that 8in)(ism )oes this - 5(st rea) the Tama
S(tra - itCs a%% in there6 the kin)s of gir%s &o( marr&
+ers(s the ones &o( ha+e f(n 'ith. -ts rea%%& 2(ite sick -
not the se0(a% .art, *(t the se0ist .art.
>orn )e+iations are sim.%& manifestations of the
'or%)'i)e (se of .ornogra.h& as a too% to corr(.t h(man
*on)s - a necessar& *&-.ro)(ct of ci+i%i/ation as 'e kno'
it.
1o* se/ that .orn is sim.%& a s&m.tom of se0(a%
re.ression. - *e%ie+e it is more than that. -t is a too%,
as 'e%% as a s&m.tom, creating a c&c%e of )&sf(nction. The
2(estion - ha+e is ho' )o 'e *reak the c&c%e, 'itho(t
)estro&ing free)omD
S(O
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/19/99 1132=; >"#
Yo( kno' 'hatCs rea%%& anno&ing...'hen &o( t&.e this %ong
.iece an) then 'hen &o( go to .ost it, &o(C+e *een )(m.e)
o(t of the for(m an) e+er&thing is %ost. 1(t no' its
%ate...-C%% tr& an) re-create it tomorro'.
Tit
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/20/99 1310= !"#
There is nothing 'e can )o to *reak the c&c%e
*& im.osing r(%es an) reg(%ations. 1(t 'e can
c%arif& for o(rse%+es the hea%th& nat(ra% se0.
!nother )ist(r*ing to.ic is the o*sessi+e freak
o(t that the &ogis ha) concerning the %oss of
semen. >erha.s a fear of the +am.irism of the
fema%e create) a com.%ete%& re.ressi+e atmos.here
for 'omen in that societ&. The 'hore an) the
ma)onna are archet&.es that .ersist in the c%imate
of the mo)ern 'or%) as 'e%%. -t seems that 'e
are s.%it into t'o 'or%)s an) )onCt kno' the
*a%ance. -t has to *e na(ght& or immac(%ate.
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/20/99 I2@=2 !"#
-C%% tr& m& .ost again.
- )onCt think 'e are a%% )estine) to change the 'or%)
in %arge an) o*+io(s, night%& ne's kin)s of 'a&s. !n) it
can *e eas& to *e o+er'he%me) *& the 4*a)4 st(ff. "& h(s*an)
'ho can ten) to the .essimistic at times gets
fr(strate) 'ith o(r fe%%o' h(man *eings as sho'n on the
ne's sometimes. - remin) him that there are 5(st as man&
.eo.%e o(t there...more .eo.%e o(t there )oing goo) things
e+er&)a& *(t its 2(iet, )oesnCt make for a goo) so(n)
*ite, an) 'onCt *e on the e+ening ne's.
- agree 'ith Te+in that r(%es an) reg(%ations 'onCt
change things. Nor 'i%% 4'ars4 as in the 4'ar on )r(gs4. To
sim.%& make something (na+ai%a*%e are har)er to o*tain
)oesnCt )o an&thing to a))ress the h(man miser& that
creates the )esire in the first .%ace.
So 'hat - trie) to )o as an in)i+i)(a% is raise a son
'ho treats not 5(st 'omen *(t a%% *eings 'ith
com.assion an) res.ect.
!n) - teach &oga. 3hi%e it can seem %ike s.irit(a%
*%ather to some, - tr(%& *e%ie+e that *& the time
something manifests itse%f in the .h&sica% *o)&, menta%
*o)&, emotiona% *o)&, it has *een 'ith (s a%rea)& for a
%ong time (n-notice), (n-ackno'%e)ge). That )isconnection
from the so(rce, the ocean that erich ta%ks a*o(t in his
'orksho.s. - cannot create the connection for an&one *(t
- can offer a too% for transformation. Ene that is not
instantaneo(s nor g(arantee)...*(t if .ractice) 'ith .atience,
kin)ness to onese%f, an) a'areness can change to 'or%)...one
.erson at a time.
!n) - agree 'ith Te+in 'ho%ehearte)%& 'hen he 'rites of
*eing s.%it into t'o 'or%)s. $or me &oga is a%% a*o(t
*a%ance...an) *a%ance is not static...in tree .ose...or in %ife.
Tit
1o* Co0 (crota%(s, I/21/99 103=@0 >"#
The hea+iest free)om of a%% is the free)om of choice. 3e
can chose (g%& or 'e can chose *ea(t&. 3e can chose
t&rann&. 3e often )o.
There is no )efen)ing .orn. -t makes of (s (g%& not
*ea(t&. -t is a too% of the .atriarch&. -tCs a .(*%ic
hea%th iss(e. S(O has s.oken e%o2(ent%& an) .assionate%&
on this to.ic *efore, - think in the co(.%e &earCs )e*ate
she has come to a cris.er, *etter researche) an)
s(..orte) +ie', *(t this one, for a%% its fa(%ts, sti%% has
.(nch an) - recommen) a %ook.
!t the en) of the )a& - chose the 1i%% of Bights. $rom
there - can mo(nt the goo) fight, as can 'e a%%. 3e m(st
ha+e it an) 'e sho(%) think caref(%%& a*o(t 5(st ho' 'e
sho(%) treat those 'ho 'o(%) a*ri)ge it. -t is (n)er
constant attack (the @th amen)ment is a%most com.%ete%&
tattere)#, (s(a%%& *& those for 'hom it seeks to .ro+i)e
the rights. Those rights transcen) - the& *e%ong to (s a%%
an) 'e sha%% ha+e them on%& so %ong as 'e are +igi%ant.
Yes Tit (crota%(s, I/21/99 10393I >"#
..there is a s.ecia% .%ace on the 3hee% for those 'ho
insist that a .orta% %ike 3e**.net sho(%) reg(%ar%& force
its .atrons to stan) .ost%ess an) for%orn *egging to *e
signe) *ack in. -t has *een .ointe) o(t to them *efore
an) - think - sha%% make it a .oint to fin) some oneCs
ear a*o(t this...
That Damn Snake (t&m.anach(s c(.i)o, I/21/99 1132=; >"#
is hi)ing (n)er the 1i%% of Bights again, ignoring
consens(s rea%it&. - *e%ie+e - )i) hear him sa& it 'as
one of the fe' things he tho(ght 'as 'orth his %o' to
the gro(n) %ife...
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, I/23/99 11322I >"#
Te+in, Tit an) 1o*
3!BN-NF, 3!BN-NF, D!NF,B, D!NF,B, 3-99 S"-T8, 9ENF >EST CE"-NFGGG (
>ostingCs a %ot chea.er than thera.&.#
- (se) to *e%ie+e as &o( a%% )o regar)ing .orn. >erha.s
- sti%% )o, - am 'orking on it. 1(t ma&*e - am thinking
a*o(t Changing "& "in). -n re+ie'ing the artic%e that -
'rote (an) *o* reference) a*o+e#, - fin) - sti%% *e%ie+e most,
*(t not a%% of 'hat - 'rote then.
-f someone 'as aff%icte) 'ith a )isease, sa& a germ of a
most +ir(%ent sort, that ra.i)%& s.rea) to others, ca(sing
great harm to innocents, then 'o(%) 'e not instit(te
'hate+er .(*%ic hea%th reg(%ations as 'e are a*%e to to
.re+ent an e.i)emicD Com.assion 'o(%) sa& 'e 'o(%) )o
'hat 'e co(%) to hea% the sick, *(t 'o(%) 'e %ea+e them
free to infect othersD
3e care a*o(t kee.ing o(r 'ater s(..%ies c%ean,
%egis%ating 'here+er 'e can to im.ose restrictions on
.o%%(tion6 fe' of (s on this for(m 'o(%) organi/e against
attem.ts to %imit the %ega%%& a%%o'e) %e+e%s of to0ins
in o(r foo)s. Yet, o(r hack%es are raise) 'hen 'e )isc(ss
%imiting the se0(a% .o%%(tion an) to0ins .ro)(ce) *&
o(r c(%t(re, sa&ing 4'e ha+e a right to these.4
-Cm not ta%king a*o(t ref(sing to %et someone 4go to he%%
in their o'n han)*asket4 *(t ref(sing to %et them take
others 'ho are &o(ng, +(%nera*%e an) in man& 'a&s
)efense%ess 'ith them in that han)*asket. -snCt the
*asic .rece.t of free)om, 4Yo(rs en)s 'here mine *eginsD4 Er
as the .agans sa&, 4!nC there *e *e no harm, )o 'hat tho(
'i%tD4 ,+er&one %ikes to gra* on to the 4)o 'hat tho( 'i%t4
.art, 'hi%e ski..ing merri%& o+er the 4!n it )o no harm4
.ortion. !%iester Cro'%e& )(m.e) the 4no harm4 .art of the
e2(ation an) sett%e) on sim.%& 4Do 'hat that 'i%t sha%%
*e the 'ho%e of the %a'.4 1est - can te%% from the
%iterat(re, the man )escen)e) into a strange *re' of
)e*a(cher& an) &oga - a tota% corr(.tion. 8e is sai) to
ha+e gone to his )eath screaming in terror of )&ing an)
'hat 'o(%) come after - har)%& 'hat one 'o(%) e0.ect from
a &ogi.
Since m& &o(th in the ;0s V ;0s -C+e *een of the hi..ie
min)-set - a%% or nothing, tota% free)om, an&thing goes, %et
each make his or her o'n choices. - sti%% fee% there is
a 'ho%e %ot %ess tr(e free)om in the 'or%) than there
co(%) *e, if on%& h(mans tr(%& 'ante) free)om. 1(t 'e seem
to ha+e )escen)e) into a .it 'here the on%& free)om
that matters is the free)om to )o 'hate+er the he%% 'e
'ant, regar)%ess of 'ho 'e h(rt. ("in) &o(, - am as g(i%t& as
the ne0t, an) on%& 5(st no' coming to an (n)erstan)ing of
m& o'n character f%a's in this regar).#
9ate%&, - am *eginning to ha+e this sneaking s(s.icion
that a%% 'e ha+e )one *& instit(ting this a%% or
nothing menta%it&, is to ha+e em.o'ere) an) am.%ifie) the
most *ase of h(man ten)encies - *(%%&ing, e0.%oitation, an)
re.ression (characteristics 'hich, grante), ha+e *een 'ith (s
for a 'hi%e, *(t that 'e are s(..ose) to *e tr&ing to
transcen)#. 9ike it or not, the 'or%) is neither *%ack, nor
'hite, *(t an infinite n(m*er of gra& tones. !n) - 'on)er
to m&se%f sometimes, 'hat 'o(%) *e so 'rong a*o(t sa&ing, 4
,no(gh. E(r societ& officia%%& res.ects the fema%e *o)&,
the .ro)(cer of ne' h(man %ife. !n&one 'ho )oesnCt 'ant
to a*i)e *& the f(n)amenta%s of m(t(a% res.ect can go
*e a hermit some'here an) get the he%% o(t of .o%ite
societ&D4
3h& )o 'e seem to *e inor)inate%& intereste) in
sec(ring the free)om to n(rt(re o(r )arker si)es,
e+er&one e%se *e )amne)D 3hate+er ha..ene) to the i)eas
of free)om an) the o..ort(nit& to .(rs(e ha..iness for
!99 of (sD
- remem*er +isiting "iami once on a *(siness tri.
se+era% &ears ago. Ene e+ening,5(st *efore )(sk, - 'as
'a%king to a fitness center a fe' *%ocks from m& hote%.
S())en%& - 'as s(rro(n)e) *& a gro(. of 8is.anic men (
recent immigrants of one sort or another - think# sa&ing
menacing things in S.anish. - co(%)nCt catch man& of the
'or)s, *(t - kne' the gist of it an) - 'as frightene). -
tho(ght to m&se%f 43e ha+e 'orke) so har) in this co(ntr&
to sec(re e2(a% rights for 'omen, an) here these 5erks
are, taking that a'a& from me.4 This isnCt a rag on
8is.anics - it co(%) ha+e *een an& ethnic gro(.. The .oint
is, the& ha) their free)om of s.eech, *(t 'hat )i) - ha+eD
3hat irke) me at the time (tho(gh - 'as not a*%e to
artic(%ate it# 'as that o(r )ream of free)om for a%% 'as
*eing sacrifice) in the name of 4m(%ti-c(%t(ra%ism.4
- am *eginning to ha+e a g%immer of (n)erstan)ing for
those 'ho 'o(%) restrict the f%o' of .orn. -Cm not
ta%king a*o(t making it i%%ega%, *(t a*o(t managing its
)istri*(tion. (-n other 'or)s, get it the he%% o(t of to'n
an) se+ere%& .(nish those 'ho 'o(%) infect chi%)ren
'ith it.#
-Cm not ta%king a*o(t a 43ar on >orn.4 - )o not s(..ort the
c(rrent 3ar on Some Dr(gs. 1(t, if a .ersonCs )r(g (se
h(rts others, then attem.ts sho(%) *e ma)e to %imit that
.ersonCs im.act on others. The socia% )rinker (or )r(gger#
sho(%) *e free to fo%%o' his or her .ath, e+en if it
%ea)s to se%f-)estr(ction. 1(t if the& get high an) *eat
the ki))ies, or s.en) a%% their )o(gh on )r(gs an) star+e
the ki))ies, there sho(%) *e inter+entions of increasing
se+erit&. -f a .erson canCt (se )r(gs res.onsi*%& then
the& sho(%) *e sh(nne) - a c(%t(ra% .(nishment against a
c(%t(ra% crime.
Take, for e0am.%e, the 3e*. There are .%ent& of 'a&s to
managing the f%o' of .orn, 'hi%e kee.ing it o(t of the
han)s of chi%)ren. -n)ee) some sites (se a +ariet& of
too%s, other sa& (%itera%%&# 4f(ck-it4 an) thro' it (. an&'here a
stra& c%ick takes &o(. To)a& 'hi%e searching on 4gra+it&
*oots4 - en)e) (. on a site 'ith a grotes2(e, nake), gagge)
an) *o(n) man hanging from gra+it& *oots. Tr& to .(t a
%itt%e sanit& in the .rocess an) hear the Neti/ens ho'%, 4
<io%ation of m& rightsG4
3e%%, 'hat a*o(t the rights of m& )a(ghter (for e0am.%e# to
s(rf 'itho(t *eing h(mi%iate)D 4-f &o( )onCt 'ant her to
see the st(ff, )onCt %et her s(rf4 &o( might sa&, *(t then
'hose rights are *eing +io%ate)D -n the rea% 'or%) - can
a)+ise her on sta&ing o(t of *a) neigh*orhoo)s (tho(gh
she sti%% can acci)enta%%& stra& into one, at .erha.s the
cost of ma5or ch(nks of her se%f-esteem an) 'e%%-*eing#,
*(t not on the 'e*.
- am a .arent 'ho has the right an) o*%igation to
.rotect m& chi%)ren. Yo( might sa&, 43e%%, )onCt *ring .orn
into &o(r ho(se4 or 4restrict &o(r chi%)renCs access to the
me)ia,4 or 4monitor &o(r chi%)Cs frien)shi.s.4 - )o a%% those
things - no T< in m& home, +er& %itt%e me)ia (- thre' o(t "s
an) -Cm *eginning to 'on)er a*o(t Yoga 7o(rna%#. 1(t -
canCt %ock the ki)s (. in a c%oset.
! teenage 'oman at .(*ert& seems to *e the most )esire)
thing on this earth. ,+er&one seems to 'ant a .iece.
:n%ess reine) in *& %a', "en ki)na., *(& an) se%% her the
'or%) o+er. (-Cm ta%king the 4Ca.ita% "4 - "en as a gro(., not a%%
in)i+i)(a% cases of men.# The inc%ination thro(gho(t the
'or%) is to o'n her, (se her, ra.e her, )iss her, or c(t her
)o'n to a co%%ection of *o)& .arts.
- think the mark of a ci+i%i/e) societ& 'o(%) *e to
.ro+i)e a &o(ng gir% 'ith the .rotection an) s.ace she
nee)s to gro' (. hea%th&, 'ith her .s&che intact. !n) a
ci+i%i/e) societ& 'o(%) %ike'ise *e charge) 'ith
.rotecting the &o(ng *o&, .ro+i)ing him 'ith hea%th&
images of se0(a%it& so that he ma& gro' (. to *e a
frien) an) .artner of the 'omen in his %ifeD
- kno' 'e )o not %i+e in a .eBfect 'or%)6 *(t )o 'e
rea%%& nee) to enco(rage this )arknessD
S(O
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/2@/99 =1@@= !"#
- g(ess the 2(estions are 'hat is the .orn fee)ing in (s
an) societ&. 3hat is the as.ect of o(rse%+es that
creates this rea%it&D 8o' to s(rf the )ark si)e of
o(rse%+es 'itho(t creating harmD Er is the *%ackness the
contrast for the %ightD There is
sect in -n)ia ca%%e) the !ghoris 'ho *e%ie+e that
nothing is o(tsi)e of the )i+ine an) the& concio(s%&
take si)es 'ith the )ark to em.hasi/e
this .oint. The& hang o(t in gra+e&ar)s )oing
sa)hana an) )o a%% those for*i))en things.
These things m(st *e mirror for o(rse%+es.
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/2@/99 ;@K03 !"#
1o* it ha..ene) again...is it *est to com.ose .otentia%%&
%ong .osts in "icrosoft 'or) an) im.ort or somethingD
!n&'a&...-C%% tr& that an) get *ack to &o( on this to.ic.
Tit
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/2@/99 I1I19 !"#
Eka&...here is m& ram*%e.
- think that o(r .(ritan ancestors %eft (s 'ith a %ot
of 4st(ff4 to )ea% 'ithWor not. 3e, as a societ& are +er&
re.resse) aro(n) iss(es of se0(a%it&. Not that - think
'e are too (.tight an) nee) to a%% *e ha+ing orgies, *(t
'e )onCt ta%k to o(r chi%)ren a*o(t se0(a%it& 'e%% or at
a%% sometimes. Then 'e e0.ect them to s())en%& )e+e%o.
hea%th& se0(a% images 'hen the& are a)(%tsD -Cm not afrai)
of te%e+ision. Yes, m& son is an a)(%t no'. 1(t if &o( see
an image on te%e+ision that fee%s fa%se, it can *e a
'on)erf(% moment for )isc(ssion an) e)(cation.
-Cm not s(re that 4.rotection4 is a%'a&s a goo) thingW'ithin
%imits. Di) - mention in m& .re+io(s .ost the %ine from
a 7oan 1ae/ song a*o(t her sonW4an) - sang to him an honest
%(%%a*&4D - s.oke to m& son a*o(t se0 ear%&WI or soW.an) ke.t
ta%king. The message. Se0 is a 'on)erf(% thing 'ith
someone &o( %o+e an) res.ect. Se0 can *e a 'ea.on. The
)esire is .o'erf(%. Tr& in the mi))%e of that intensit&
to remem*er the h(manness of the other .erson an) of
&o(rse%f.
-snCt it *etter to )isco+er that the 'or%) is not a%'a&s
a 'on)erf(% .%ace 'ithin the %o+ing confines of &o(r
fami%& 'here &o( can gain the strength to face it 'ith
co(rage an) %o+eD Bather than get o(t there %ater an)
ha+e it s())en%& a..ear 'itho(t &o(r *eing .re.are).
!s - a%%()e) to in m& .re+io(s .ostW- )onCt think taking it
a'a& or sh(nning the (ser is (sef(% for either the
)r(gs 4'e4 )eci)e are not (sef(% or .orn or 'hate+er e%se
'e )eci)e to reg(%ate. - 5(st rea%i/e) - am ta%king m&
'a& into not reg(%ating g(ns either 'hich - g(ess if -
kee. fo%%o'ing m& reasoning here - g(ess -C) ha+e to
a)mit to. Eh 'e%% %etCs see 'here this goes.
-ts not the .orn or the )r(gs or the g(nsWitCs the fear
that creates the )arkness that sometimes seems to
s(rro(n) (s. 3h& )o 'e fear )ifference so m(ch that it
t(rns to hateD 3hat ca(ses (s to o*%iterate o(r %i+es in
a )r(g or a%coho% in)(ce) st(.orD 3e 'ant to %egis%ate
a%% these things *(t 'e )onCt 'ant to s(..ort the socia%
ser+ices that gi+e .eo.%e a safet& net to .rotect them
against +io%ence, h(nger, a*(se, .o+ert&. 3e %i+e rather in a
'or%) 'here 'e 'ant to .rotect 'hat is o(rs no' that
'e ha+e it from 4others4. ,+er&one 'ho is )ifferent is
s(s.ect.
Can &o( imagine ho' s(s.ect 'e &ogis a..ear to someD
!n) -Cm thinking a*o(t those images on the 'e*, etc. 3as it
*etter to %i+e in $ather Tno's 1est 'or%) 'here it a%%
sti%% e0iste) *(t 'e sim.%& .reten)e) it )i)nCtD Neither
.reten)ing it )oesnCt e0ist nor fighting the s&m.tom 'i%%
'ork - )onCt think.
Tee. remin)ing the .eo.%e &o( meet &o( are h(manWremem*er
that no matter 'hatWso are the&. See the ocean in e+er&one.
The other e+ening - 'ent to )inner in a resta(rant 'ith
a *(nch of &ogis. 3here - %i+e &o( can sti%% smoke in
resta(rants e+en tho(gh the sections are )i+i)e). The
resta(rant ha) .(t (s in the smoking section. !s 'e
'a%ke) to o(r ta*%eWse+era% .eo.%e in o(r gro(. %o()%&
chastise) .eo.%e for smokingWm& fee%ing 'as that first of
a%%, these .eo.%e 'ere sitting in T8, S"ET-NF S,CT-EN,
(n)er the %a' the& ha) e+er& right to *e )oing 'hat
the& 'ere )oing. 3e on the other han) 'ere choosing to
*e in that s.ace. 3e co(%) ha+e 'aite) a ha%f an ho(r or
so to sit some'here e%se *(t 'e chose not to. Di) this
.et(%ance enco(rage the g(& to think a*o(t not smoking
)o &o( thinkD - )o(*t it. "a&*e if 'e ha) ma)e contact
'ith his h(manness 'ith .o%iteness, he might ha+e
refraine) from smoking 'hi%e 'e 'ere thereWma&*e not.
- kno' this .art isnCt a*o(t the origina% to.ic *(t in a
'a& it is. 3e ha+e to kee. going *ack to the so(rce, *ack
to 'hat connects (s a%%W!99Wnot 5(st some.
Tit
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, I/2@/99 1021== !"#
!s - sai), -Cm sti%% 'orking on the iss(e. - (n)erstan)
the s%i..er& s%o.e of making )ecisions a*o(t 'hat is
acce.ta*%e in societ& an) 'hat is not. 1(t, a+oi)ing the
iss(e as 4too har)4 )oesnCt seem to make sense to me. To (se
a hackne&e) .hrase, 4'h& thro' o(t the *a*& 'ith the *athD4
Te+in, &o( sa& there is nothing 'e can )o to *reak the
c&c%e of .orn *& im.osing reg(%ations, *(t 'hat is
inter+ention, if not actions )esigne) to *reak (nhea%th&
c&c%esD -f .orn is a se%f-.er.et(ating s&stem for
kee.ing h(mans foc(se) on the 'rong things, ho' 'o(%) &o(
go a*o(t *reaking that c&c%eD
Yo( 2(estions 43hat is the .orn fee)ing in (s
an) societ&D 3hat is the as.ect of o(rse%+es that
creates this rea%it&D4 The (n)er%&ing ass(m.tion *ehin)
&o(r 2(estion is that 'e are %o+e an) %ight an) the
(rge to'ar)s )omination an) o..ression are ca(se) *&
en+ironmenta% factors - re%igions, fami%ies, etc. This is one
o.erati+e *e%ief str(ct(re in the :S. 1(t 'hat if that
is not tr(e, that h(mans sim.%& ha+e that )ark streak as
.art of o(r nat(res an) one 5o* of societ& is to he%.
(s rein in these )ark im.(%ses, so 'e can concentrate on
the higher as.ects of o(rse%+esD 3ho among (s 'o(%) *e
so sm(g as to sa& 'e are ne+er tem.te) to the )ark si)eD
-tCs a 4faith thing4 as the& sa&, an) - *e%ie+e -Cm %osing m&
faith in the (nerring goo) of h(manit&. "a&*e, as
re%igionists of a%% kin)s sa&, 'e rea%%& ":ST 'ork to
seek the %ightD
3e make co%%ecti+e mora% )ecisions a%% the time, after
)e*ate an) )isc(ssion. 3e ha+e to or 'e co(%) not s(r+i+e
as a societ&.
- can ta%k 'ith m& chi%)ren ti%% -Cm *%(e a*o(t hea%th&
se0(a%it&, *(t that )oesnCt )o one thing to a*ate the
se0(a% se'er the& enco(nter 'hen the& 'a%k o(t the )oor.
!n& co. 'i%% te%% &o( that (.on arresting a se0(a%
.re)ator, he a%most a%'a&s fin)s a ho(sef(%% of .orn.
Tho(gh it )oes not necessari%& fo%%o' that a%% those
'ith ho(se-f(%%s of .orn are se0(a% .re)ators, - canCt
he%. *(t *e%ie+e there is some %ink. - co(%) ta%k to m&
ki)s fore+er a*o(t the im.ortance of not .o%%(ting the
air, 'ater an) foo) s(..%&, *(t that 'o(%) not he%. them
get )ea% 'ith the i%%nesses res(%ting from an an&thing
goes .o%ic& to'ar)s o(r en+ironment in the name of
free)om. Does free)om mean the right to fo(% the .%anet
for othersD Does it mean the right to fo(% the se0(a%
.%anet for othersD
-nteresting%&, - am on the other si)e of the g(n contro%
iss(e than &o(, Tit. Co(%) *e -Cm 4'estern4 in nat(re. 1(t -
kno' that gro(.s of arme) mara()ing &o(ng men, gro(.e)
together as 4so%)iers4 or 4.o%ice4 are %ess %ike%& to 'ant to
*reak into m& home an) ra.e me an) m& )a(ghters, or ki%%
o(r menfo%k if someone is there to shoot *ack. This is
not a moot .oint, as it ha..ens, e+er& )a& a%% o+er the
'or%). 3e (n the :S think 'e are someho' imm(ne to the
graft an) corr(.tion of the thir) 'or%), *(t 'e are not. 3e
on%& ha+e 'hat sem*%ence of free)om 'e )o, to the e0tent
'e are 'i%%ing to fight for it.
!s - sai), - )onCt ha+e an& ans'ers, *(t the iss(es is m(ch
on m& min) %ate%&.
S(O
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/2@/99 20K=K >"#
-Cm a 'esterner m&se%f on%& trans.%ante). !n) - g(ess -
can %i+e 'ith h(nting an) s(ch *(t -Cm not s(re 'h&
an&one nee)s an :/i.
1(t *ack to the ta%king to &o(r chi%)ren...-Cm not s(ggesting
it fi0es an&one e%se...*(t is the o.tion NET ta%king to &o(r
chi%)renD Yo(C+e he%.e) one .erson...'hat if someone ha)
ta%ke) to those s%ime )'e%%ers &o( are concerne) a*o(tD
! re.orter sai) to 7ohn 9ennon once...)o &o( think that if
&o( 5(st sai) >eace >eace >eace to 8it%er it 'o(%) ha+e
ma)e an& )ifferenceD 8e sai) no, *(t 'hat if someone ha)
*een sa&ing it to him since he 'as a chi%)D
- )onCt think a))ressing the (n)er%&ing reasons that
.eo.%e seek this )arkness as &o( )escri*e it is t(rning
a'a& from an iss(e *eca(se its )iffic(%t. !%tho(gh ma&*e
thatCs not 'hat &o( 'ere s(ggesting. !n) - think 'e a%%
ha+e to 'ork 'ith the ski%%s 'e .ossess.
The So(th'est Yoga ConferenceCs theme this &ear has to
)o 'ith &oga an) ser+ice. There are some a'esome &ogis
teaching &oga an) me)itation in .risons. 3ith meas(ra*%e
effects on reci)i+ism.
- m(st sa& that no matter 'hat, - 'i%% not %i+e in a
.rison of m& o'n making. $ear is a .rison. $ree)om is not
for an&one e%se to gi+e me.
Tit
1o* Co0 (crota%(s, I/2@/99 K11@@ >"#
reH32A %oss of %ong .osts an) the %ogo(t monster
The res.onse from ESS has *een (n)er'he%ming. >erha.s -Cm
too hast& *(t -C+e sent the com.%aint to Da+e Sha' +ia
emai% an) ha+enCt recei+e) an ans'er. >ro*a*%& the&C%%
e+ent(a%%& sim.%& sa&, 43hat &a Cs.ect for free, an&ho'D4
!n&'a&, the tracks an) )isc(ssion from the other si)e of
the 3e**.net s'am. fo%%o' in)ente) *e%o'.
!n)re D(ran) is the originator of the soft'are an) has
so%) it to ESS - c%ear%& the& ha+e a )ifferent
)e+e%o.ment foc(s these )a&s. 8arr& is Hma))ogA, host of
most of the emin)s conferences. HTaratA an) Hfatt&moonA
are conference hosts from the origina% H8o'ar)A
Beingo%) (orignator of emin)s# )a&s.
Yes, in)ee) &o( sho(%) a%'a&s, at a minim(m, c%i.*oar) o(t
the %ong .ost (more than = %inesG# an) -C) a)+ise (sing 3or) or
some s(ch to com.ose for the most .art. Yo( can
c%i.*oar) the .ost(s# &o(Cre res.on)ing to an) %a& them
)o'n at the front of the 3or) )oc(ment for reference
an) then c%i.*oar) &o(r res.onse for .asting into the
"essage *o0 on 3e**.net.
113@ of 113K Commons.2K.113@
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Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/19/99 1132=; >"#
Yo( kno' 'hatCs rea%%& anno&ing...'hen &o( t&.e this %ong
.iece an) then 'hen &o( go to .ost it, &o(C+e *een )(m.e)
o(t of the for(m an) e+er&thing is %ost. 1(t no' its %ate...
-C%% tr& an) re-create it tomorro'.
Tit
2I of 2I Yoga Conference.32.2I
Yes Tit (crota%(s, I/21/99 10393I >"#
..there is a s.ecia% .%ace on the 3hee% for those 'ho
insist that a .orta% %ike 3e**.net sho(%) reg(%ar%& force
its .atrons to stan) .ost%ess an) for%orn *egging to *e
signe) *ack in. -t has *een .ointe) o(t to them *efore
an) - think - sha%% make it a .oint to fin) some oneCs
ear a*o(t this...
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3e%%, 8arr& te%%s me thereCs no one to ca%%, so 'eC%% 5(st
)ro. this C(n in the .(nch *o'% an) see if an&one gi+es
a Le0.%eti+e )e%ete)M
S(re%& a .orta% sho(%) not %og o(t its mem*ers (n%ess
the ser+er has *een restarte) - 'hat gi+es 'ith this %ame
ass )ea%D
"ost kno' that itCs *est to c%i.*oar) o(t the %ong
.osts *(t the re%ogin .rocess is more than a %itt%e
irritating.
113= of 113K Commons.2K.113=
Da+i) Sha' (Da+eSha', I/23/99 I22@; >"#
(,rase) *& Da+eSha' at !(g 23 1999 I29>"#
113K of 113K Commons.2K.113K
E%) home 'eekD (fatt&moon, I/2@/99 @=@== >"#
$irst "r. Shifter...
No' Dr. 1o*G
8i "r. 1o*G $att& %i+ing stress-free %ife no'. $att& soon
%a(nch 'e*site se%% stress-free %ife. $att& soon make
eno(gh moo%ah tra)e in CI9 $or) .ick(..
3heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeG
20= of 213 Comm(nit&3are Comments.10.20=
Tara T'ain (tarat, I/19/99 11@1=2 !"#
-Cm c(rio(s to kno' 'h& the mem*ers of this )e+e%o.ment
team are incognito. -n an& case, at &o(r s(ggestion - am
*ringing m& 2(estions to this for(m. "& 2(estions sti%%
stan).
3h& are the 'eather an) ne's hea)%ines on the front
.ageD
3i%% front .ages *e c(stomi/a*%e in the f(t(reD
-n a))ition 3ho is on the )e+e%o.ment teamD
Tara T'ain
tt'ainYhotmai%.com
20K of 213 Comm(nit&3are Comments.10.20K
$rom !n)re D(ran) (Da+eSha', I/19/99 1213K >"#
Tara,
8i, this is !n)re s.eaking. - (n)erstan) &o(r 2(estion. The
ans'er to it &o(r 2(estions is *asica%%& this. !t one
time, 'e ha) as.irations of creating a .ersona%i/a*%e
start .age. Simi%ar sa& to the %ikes of "& Yahoo or "&
9&cos etc.
The )ifference that 'e 'ere going to foc(s on 'as the
integration of comm(nications com.onents (frien)s, instant
messaging, emai%, conference %ists etc.# rather than the
integration of content.
3ith the first re%ease of this >ersona% >orta% (if &o(C%%
a%%o' me to refer to it as that# 'as a *it %ite on the C
.ersona% comm(nicationsC si)e of things, an) so 'e
integrate) 2 stan)ar) content
e%ements 'hich 'e ha+e *een (sing in other a..%ications(e.g.
'eather an) hea)%ine ne's#.
-t 'as ne+er o(r intent to kee. this content on the
.ersona% .orta% %ong term. 3ith ne' ac2(isitions, 'eC+e no'
foc(se) o(r sites on the o..ort(nit& to %e+erage o(r
ta%ents an) soft'are in the %oca% e-commerce s.ace. -Cm
not s(re that here an) no' is
the right .%ace to go into those )etai%s.
3e are f(rthering the )e+e%o.ment of the *asic ser+ice
com.onents of Comm(nit&3are *& rather metho)ica%%&
re-'riting them in a ne' U"9 architect(re. !%so foc(sing
on sca%a*i%it& etc.
3hi%e 'e )o this, 'e are not foc(se) on f(rthering o(r
efforts of the >ersona% >orta% an) 'i%% %ike%& get ri)
of this .ro)(ct in the f(t(re.
Thank &o( for &o(r concern. -f &o( ha+e other 2(estions,
fee% free to contact me as -Cm fair%& a'are of the C
'h&C things are the& 'a& the& are an) 'here 'e as a
Com.an& are hea)e).
Sincere%&,
!n)re D(ran)
No' *ack to &o(r reg(%ar%& sche)(%e) .orn, err, .rogramming...
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/2@/99 K1I=9 >"#
- %ike &o( ana%ag& of .o%%(ting the se0(a% en+ironment,
*(t - 'on)er if se0 'asnCt s(ch a
re.resse) iss(e an) Lna(ght&M this a*(si+e
st(ff might gi+e 'a& to a hea%th& o(t%ook. 1(t
- g(ess some .eo.%e nee) to e0.%ore to fin) *a%ance. The
'a& of re%igion 'as to re.ress an)
therefore gi+e the i%%(sion of a hea%th& o(t%ook
on %ife. 1(t in rea%it&, insi)e 'as an) is a
seething .it of re.ression that is 'aiting to
e0.%o)e 'ith a mass shooting or a ra.e or some
other crime against h(manit&.
3e ha+e to a)mit that 'e ha+e a )ark si)e an)
tho(gh it is not o(r rea% nat(re, it sti%% e0ists
in (s to *e *ro(ght into the %ight. 8o' to
)o this 'itho(t fee)ing the .rocessD >ossi*%&
&oga can he%. to %i*erate st(ck energiesD That
is m& e0.erience an&'a&.
1o* (saha5, I/2@/99 K2100 >"#
3hat a coincence that &o( 'ere .osting that
message a*o(t s%i..ing .ost an) mine s%i..e) as
&o( 'ere 'ritting itG
The >orn Si)e (crota%(s, I/2@/99 K=I20 >"#
! man 'ho 'e%% kno's the So(th !merican shaman scene
to%) me that the shaman 'ho chooses the )ark si)e can
not go *ack. 3hereas the )ark si)e is a%'a&s a+ai%a*%e to
the shaman 'ho 'orks on the %ight si)e. -t 'o(%) seem
that the ,ssentia% Core of Foo)ness is an e%ecti+e6 &o(
can choose to )iscar) it or choose to ignore it. 1(t if
&o( re5ect it, &o( %ose the o.tion to ret(rn to it.
!s 7(ng has e%a*orate), 'e are fi%%e) 'ith 4sha)o' materia%4
(he certain%& 'as - a..ears as tho(gh he 'as a Na/i
s&m.athi/er - the tr(th can sometimes fin) strange
+esse%s6 take Esho for instance#. 7(st 'h& this is so, is
en)%ess%& )e*ata*%e. The sha)o' materia% ma& 'e%% *e
there to *a%ance the Core of Foo)ness (this *eing
something of a Tantric +ie'# or it ma& mere%& ref%ect the
&in/&ang nat(re of a%% things.
- s(s.ect no one 'o(%) arg(e that 'e sho(%)nCt tr& to
.(rge the sha)o' st(ff, e+en if it %ea+es (s (n*a%ance)
to'ar)s the 4core of goo)ness.4 >s&che)e%ics, me)itation, s'eat
%o)ges, *reath'ork an) some kin)s of *o)&'ork 'i%%
certain%& *ring them o(t an) in the a*reaction, sometimes
the& are )is.e%%e).
Does &oga, 'here it enco(nters resistant areas of the
*o)&, offer a simi%ar 'a& to re%ease armoring store) in
the *o)& as a res(%t of *a) e0.eriencesD "ight there *e a
*reath techni2(e an) certain asanas that co(%) foster
the s(rfacing an) re%ease of sha)o' materia%D
Do an& of &o( kno' if itCs common for &oga to sim.%&
foster the )ark si)e occasiona%%&D Take Cro'%e& for
instance - he 'rote most con+incing%& on &oga an) 'hat is
it that took him off into the )ee. en)D Too m(ch sha)o'
materia%D Too m(ch of a 'hi..e) &o(th in that fine 1rit
c(%t(re that enco(rage) itD Too m(ch *%ack magic or time
at a%tit()e in the mo(ntainsD Er )i) he sim.%& choose it
as a .er+erse 'a& to free)omD
!&e, Te+in - s&chronicit& stikes againG
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ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/2=/99 ==13= !"#
1o*, thanks for those interesting %inks. !fter
rea)ing some of the Cro'%e& st(ff - fe%t he 'as
in a .artic(%ar ma)ness an) fo(n) it 2(ite )ist(r*ing.
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/2=/99 K0=31 !"#
1o*,
in regar)s to 4Does &oga, 'here it enco(nters resistant
areas of the
*o)&, offer a simi%ar 'a& to re%ease armoring store) in
the *o)& as a res(%t of *a) e0.eriencesD "ight there *e a
*reath techni2(e an) certain asanas that co(%) foster
the s(rfacing an) re%ease of sha)o' materia%D 4
- think that this 'o(%) re2(ire that the .erson
has the right moti+ation rather than a .artic(%ar
techni2(e. "& e0.erience 'ith teaching has *een
that the essence of the transformationa% e0.erience
of &oga rests in the firm commitment of the
.racticioner to change an) o.en themse%+es to
ne' rea%ities. This )oes re2(ire so m(ch co(rage
that most .eo.%e are %eft *ehin) in their o'n fear
an) resistance. Eccationa%%& someone has the
co(rage to go *e&on) an) tr(st. 1(t this is rare
ho.ef(%%& as - *ecome more ski%%f(%% as a teacher
- 'i%% *e a*%e to ins.ire more .eo.%e to +ent(re
*e&on) the kno'n an) (se &oga to o.en to a%%
as.ects of o(rse%+es %ight an) )ark. Do other
teachers e0.erience this resistance in their st()ents
or is m& teaching not reaching .eo.%eD
Er )o m& e0.ectations get in the 'a&D
Tit S.ahr (Tit S.ahr, I/2=/99 K@I=I !"#
Te+in, ha+ing rea) &o(r .osts - )o(*t its &o(r teaching
that )oesnCt reach .eo.%e. - 'as ta%king to a frien) of
mine the other )a& an)...*eing a .erson 'ho %o+es meta.hors...sai)
that *eing a &oga teacher is %ike *eing a to(r *(s
)ri+er. Yo( can take .eo.%e on to(rs of the most a'esome
%an)sca.es *(t if the& )onCt %ook o(t the 'in)o' a%%
the& get is a re%a0ing *(s ri)e.
1(t .eo.%e are 'ho the& are. 3hen the& are rea)& the&C%%
%ook.
Tit
9ooking at e+i% (YogaS(/, I/2=/99 ;0103 !"#
- *e%ie+e there is goo) in a%% of (s. -t is sometimes a
har) *e%ief to ho%). $or e0am.%e, - str(gg%e) for man&
&ears to tr& to (n)erstan) ho' someone %ike 7effre&
Dahmer co(%) .ossi*%& ha+e an& goo) in him. 8e seeme) to
negate m& o'n *e%ief that e+er&one has some goo) 'ithin.
8e 'as as e+i% as - co(%) imagine. Then, - rea) his
fatherCs *ook an) it 'as so 'on)erf(% to rea) a*o(t him
not as the e+i% 7effre&, *(t as 7eff, the son of a man.
7eff(re&# 'as not %ocke) in a *asement or tormente) as
a &o(th. 8e ha) a norma% chi%)hoo) *(t seeme) to *e )ra'n
to'ar) e+i% ('hich is one of the reasons - fo(n) him to
*e so horrif&ing#. Yet, 'hen he )ie) he 'as a *orn again
Christian an) a..arent%& he fina%%& got some .eace a'a&
from his .ersona% )emons once he 'as %ocke) in .rison. 8e
'ent thro(gh .erio)s 'here his a%coho%ism %ifte) an) he
co(%) get his %ife together, then heC) fa%% )ee.er an)
)ee.er into his o'n ma)ness. ,+en tho(gh - am a.a%%e) *&
his crimes, no' - see him as a +er& sa) .erson, not a +er&
*a) .erson. 8e 'ante) %o+e %ike a%% of (s an) ha) an
a'f(% 'a& of tr&ing to get it. The 'ant of %o+e can make
(s )o terri*%e things.
- (se) to +o%(nteer on a %istening hot%ine an) ha) a
ca%%er 'ho 'as m& o'n .ersona% nemesis. 8e 'as horri*%e
to ta%k to. - 'as con+ince) then an) sti%% think that
this man ma& ha+e a *o)& or t'o in his *asement. 8e trie)
to %(re 'omen to his home thro(gh +ario(s .%o&s (an) it
'as ama/ing ho' man& 'omen, accor)ing to him, 'o(%)
act(a%%& res.on) to these trans.arent .%o&s#. - hate) to
ta%k to him an) he 'o(%) kee. me on the .hone fore+er
on these ar)(o(s, mani.(%ati+e con+ersations, *(t fina%%&
one )a& - ha) a *reakthro(gh. Then, - rea%i/e), that he 'as
not mean *(t incre)i*%& sa). That he ha) *(i%t a 'a%% so
strong an) so ta%% aro(n) himse%f to .rotect himse%f
from h(rt, *(i%t it so ta%% an) strong that no %o+e co(%)
get thro(gh. Yet he 'as reaching o(t *& te%e.hone ho.ing
someone 'o(%) *e *ra+e eno(gh to come into his )ark
'or%) an&'a&.
-s there a 'a& 'e can a..roach this iss(e of .orn 'ith
com.assion an) not 'ith a*horrence. !re these fe%%o's 'ho
fre2(ent .orn 'orth& of o(r %o+eD -f the& are seeking
%o+e, ho' is it that the& are fai%ing an) ho' is it that
.orn fi%%s their nee) for %o+eD
!%so on the hot%ine 'e (se) to get man&, man&
mast(r*ators ho.ing to get their rocks off 'hi%e
ta%king to a nice &o(ng gir%. - 'as goo) at )ef%ecting
these ca%%s, *(t - traine) a gir% 'ho recei+e) one of
these ca%%s an) )i)nCt rea%i/e 'hat 'as ha..ening, an) so
sat he%.%ess %istening to the ca%% as she ste..e)
)ee.er an) )ee.er into his tra.s. -t 'as act(a%%& rather
hi%ario(s (he 'as fantasi/ing a*o(t Ti..er Fore#. The ca%%er
s.oke a*o(t his emotions, as the gir% re2(este), *(t there
'as a%% this +ei%e) meta.hor (4!h, &es, that is 5(st a
tremen)o(s re%ease.4 - remem*er rea)ing *ack some of his
'or)s an) asking for the gir%Cs fee%ings a*o(t the ca%%
at the en) of it an) she 'as so .ro(). 4- fe%t %ike -
rea%%& he%.e) him.4# !n&'a&, those men 'ere .rett& a'f(% *(t if
&o( stoo) (. for &o(rse%f against them the& *acke) )o'n
a'f(%%& 2(ick. Some of the more e0.erience) %isteners
sai) that occasiona%%& the& co(%) get e+en these men to
ta%k a*o(t their nee) for %o+e an) their %one%iness at
a gen(ine %e+e%, 'hich - think is 'hat the& 'ere act(a%%&
seeking.
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S(/anne (YogaS(/, I/2=/99 9@323 !"#
-tCs interesting that 5(st as - 'rote that, this artic%e
on seria% ki%%ers a..eare) in Sa%on "aga/ine.
- .artic(%ar%& fo(n) the 2(ote *e%o' to re%ate to the
con+ersation. -t s(..orts S(/etteCs .oint that the
o*5ectification of 'omen is tr(%& )amaging.

Centra% to .ossession is the necessit& to (tter%&
)eh(mani/e the +ictim, t&.ifie) *& a comment from Bo*ert
9ero& !n)erson, a se0(a% ki%%er no' on )eath ro' in So(th
Dakota. !ccor)ing to an ac2(aintance, !n)erson once
com.%aine) that his first m(r)er +ictim, a fema%e fe%%o'
em.%o&ee at a meat-.acking .%ant in Sio(0 $a%%s, .ro+e)
%ess than i)ea% for his .(r.oses *eca(se he kne' her
too 'e%% an) co(%) not com.%ete%& o*5ectif& her. -t 'as
therefore im.ossi*%e to f(%%& incor.orate her into his
fantas&.

4The .er.etrator cannot see the +ictim as a se.arate, 'ho%e,
rea%, meaningf(% .erson, 'ith her o'n tho(ghts an) fee%ings
an) .erce.tions,4 sa&s "e%o&. 4She m(st *e re)(ce) to an o*5ect
'ith no meaning e0ce.t to gratif& his )esires.4

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1o* Co0 (crota%(s, I/2=/99 110@1K !"#
AA"ight there *e a *reath techni2(e an) certain asanas
that co(%) foster the s(rfacing an) re%ease of sha)o'
materia%D
Te+in res.on)s
- think that this 'o(%) re2(ire that the .erson
has the right moti+ation rather than a .artic(%ar
techni2(e. "& e0.erience 'ith teaching has *een
that the essence of the transformationa% e0.erience
of &oga rests in the firm commitment of the
.racticioner to change an) o.en themse%+es to
ne' rea%ities.HH
So, it is intent then, that con)itions the res(%tD The (s(a%
set .art of 4set an) setting4 as regar)s the )irection an
a%tere) state e0.erience 'i%% take. "ight this a..roach
*e a +a%i) &oga *ase) thera.&D ! ho%otro.ic &oga %etCs
ca%% it6 a &oga that %ea)s to 'ho%eness on a faster track
than the tra)itiona% .ran&ama-me)itation-asana .ractice
This co(%) *e a )angero(s area in 'hich to enco(nter a
g(r( 'ith *a) intentions. 1(t 'hat of a se%f )irecte)
.racticeD Frof, 1T3, )oes not a)+ocate the so%itar& .ractice
of ho%otro.ics.
@K of 22; Yoga Conference.32.@K
1o* Co0 (crota%(s, I/2=/99 121@2I >"#
!s a si)e%ight to the .orn )isc(ssion Lconfirmation that
most a%% c(%t(res seem to .ri/e 4teen .(ss&4M, -C+e c%i..e) o(t
a section of an artic%e in the c(rrent Nationa%
Feogra.hic that treats the coming of age L,(notoQ of "asai
e%)ers LmenM. -C+e notice) in the .ast that the NF has
e0ercise) e)itoria% contro% o+er sensiti+e s(*5ects (s(ch
as neg%ecting to mention that a fro/en Sc&thian 'omanCs
gra+e containe) a %arge amo(nt of canna*is# *(t this time
the&Cre right )o'n the %ine 'ith a .at .atriarcha%
.osition. The .ractice of $F" has *een %arge%& s(s.en)e)
in 3estern c(%t(res (from the %ink 4:nti% rather recent%&,
c%itori)ectom& 'as the s(rgica% Creme)&C for
mast(r*ation in <ictorian ,ng%an) an) e+en more
recent%& in the :nite) States. L!ssa), N., 19;9, ..12M, L3a%%erstein, ,.,
19I0, ..1;3M4# *(t someho' - can imagine it ret(rning as a conser+ati+e
Christian 'a& to kee. o(r 4(nr(%&4 'omen in check.
The artic%es in this iss(e on E%i+e Ei% an) Tashmir are
a%so 'orth a %ook. The %ike%ihoo) of a n(c%ear 'ar
starting o+er the conf%ict in Tashmir seems higher to
me than for an& sit(ation 'e e+er ha) )(ring the Co%)
3ar.
$rom the Se.tem*er 1999 NF
4Yo(ng "asai gir%s (%eft# 'ear ornaments
)esigne) to s'a& as the& )ance. 1efore
the ,(noto, 'arriors ma& ha+e se0 'ith
these gir%s, 'ho are .re.(*erta% an)
(ncirc(mcise). !fter initiation these
re%ationshi.s m(st en). !s an e%)er,
a man ma& marr& a mat(re 'oman, circ(mcise)
at .(*ert&, an) ma& take more than one 'ife.
The "asai are a semi-noma)ic .eo.%e of a*o(t
300,000 'hose %an) stra))%es the Te&na-
Tan/ania *or)er. The f(t(re of s(ch %arge-
sca%e ceremonies is in )o(*t, as more "asai
sen) their sons to schoo%, an) into
another 'or%).
@; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.@;
The ,+i% 3ithin (s(/ co&ote, I/2=/99 100212 >"#
4Com.assion,4 accor)ing to the E0for) ,ng%ish )ictionar&, means
to 4s(ffer 'ith4 or 4.artici.ate in the s(ffering of another.4
-t is not, as man& .eo.%e choose to *e%ie+e, sim.%&
forgi+ing, forgetting an) acce.ting socio.athic
*r(ta%ities. -t is not a matter of )ro..ing the
a*horrence to the .eo.%e 'ho .er.etrate e+i%. En the
contrar&, a*horrence of socio.athic *eha+ior is hea%th& -
for the .erson an) for the societ&.
Foo) for 7eff that he 'as 4*orn again4 *efore his )eath, *(t
that )oesnCt %esson the .ain an) ma&hem of his se%fish
crimes. (1orn-agains are some of the most sa+age (an)
sanctione)# seria% m(r)erers histor& has e+er .ro)(ce), 1T3.#
7effre& Dahmer met his a..ro.riate en), 'hich 'as far
*etter than that of his +ictims. - )onCt *e%ie+e his
fatherCs stor& of a *eatific chi%)hoo). 3hat 'o(%) most
.eo.%e sa&D Circ%e &o(r ans'er (1# 4- *eat, a*(se) an)
se0(a%%& mo%este) m& ki) 'hen he 'as a chi%),4 or, (2# 48e ha) a goo)
chi%)hoo)6 'e ga+e him %ots of %o+e.4 Da), 1T3, is a
f(n)amenta%ist Christian. "a&*e .ertinent, ma&*e not, *(t 'e
kno', in genera%, ho' f(n)amenta%ists fee% a*o(t ga&s an)
Dahmer 'as ga& from a +er& ear%& age. The on%& testimon&
'e ha+e that DahmerCs chi%)hoo) 'as h(nke&-)ore& is
Da)Cs. ! +er& thoro(gh, (an) )ist(r*ing# .s&cho%ogica% .rofi%e
of the seria% ki%%er can *e fo(n) at
htt.//'''.a..i.org/simon*.htm%. S(ffice to sa&, a%most none of them ha) 'hat
'eC) ca%% ha..& chi%)hoo)s, )es.ite
se%f-intereste) fami%& mem*ers 'ho 'o(%) attest
other'ise. Dr. >ark ,%%iot Diet/ is genera%%& recogni/e)
as the internationa% e0.ert on seria% ki%%ers ('hate+er
that means#. !n&'a&, heCs st()ie) them e0ha(sti+e%&. 8ere are
some of his tho(ghts.
4Wseria% ki%%ers are .ro)(ce) *& ha+ing the right genes in
com*ination 'ith the 'rong .arents.4 !ske) to imagine 'hat
it 'o(%) take to create another 1(n)&, Fac&,or Tem.er, Dr.
Deit/ 'rites 4Start 'ith an a*(si+e, crimina% father an) a
h&sterica%, a%coho%ic mother6 tort(re the *o& as erotica%%&
as .ossi*%e6 ha+e the nake) mother s.ank him an) s%ee.
'ith him (nti% age 126 *in) an) 'hi. him reg(%ar%&6 ha+e the
mother se0(a%%& aro(se him an) .(nish him for his
erections6 %et the mother a..ear .romisc(o(s 'hi%e
con)emning .rostit(tes6 %ea+e )etecti+e maga/ines an)
*on)age .ornogra.h& aro(n) the ho(se for him to fin)6 an)
enco(rage him to 'atch B-rate) s%asher fi%ms an)
+io%ence against g%amoro(s 'omen.4
!s Dr. Diet/ a%so notes, 4'hi%e e+er& seria% ki%%er is
menta%%& )isor)ere), near%& a%% are .s&cho.athic se0(a%
sa)ists, an) fe' if an&, are .s&chotic. >s&chotic offen)ers
rare%& ha+e the
'here'itha% to re.eate)%& esca.e a..rehension.4 (!merican
>s&chiatric !ssociation !nn(a% Be+ie', +o%. K, 19I;#.
Tho(gh it seems -Cm terri*%& off s(*5ect here, there is a
reason for this rant. The nat(re of com.assion an) ho'
it e0.resse) is +er& im.ortant. Yogis are e0horte) to
.ractice 4ahimsa.4 -s it 4ahimsa4 'hen 'e ref(se to )ea% 'ith
harmf(% as.ects of o(r c(%t(reD
- am com.assionate 'ith those 'ho .ro)(ce an) .rofit
from .orn on%& to the )egree that - s(ffer 'ith them (
against m& 'i%%# as the& e0ercise 4their rights.4
There are e+i% .eo.%e o(t there. -t )oesnCt rea%%&
matter, from a societa% (or .arenta%# .ers.ecti+e if the&
'ere *orn 'ith e+i% so(%s, 'ere genetica%%& )amage) in or
o(t of the 'om*, or 'hether the& *ecame that 'a& )(e to
fa%%ing off their ho**& horse in one 'a& or another
'hen the& 'ere chi%)ren. ! seria% ki%%er 'i%% ki%% &o(
an) &o(r %o+e) ones for their se0(a% en5o&ment if the&
get a chance. The& are *a) see).
!n), %ike'ise, it )oesnCt matter to me ho' a .ornogra.her
or .ornogra.hi%e came to *e6 the& are socio.aths 'ho care
nothing a*o(t the effects their o*session has on others.
Des.ite st()& after st()& %inking .orn to +io%ence
against 'omen an) chi%)ren, their ans'er is a%'a&s 4- )onCt
*e%ie+e there is eno(gh e+i)ence to .ro+e a %ink.4 8o'
con+enient. F(ess 'hatD There 'i%% ne+er *e eno(gh
e+i)ence to satisf& either the .ornogra.hic .rofiteer
or his c%ient.
3hen o(r *o)ies ha+e a cancer, 'e )onCt sa&, 4Eh 'e%%, the
cancer is there *eca(se of en+ironment factors, %etCs
forgi+e it.4 3e 4s(ffer 'ith it4 on%& (nti% 'e can ki%% it (or
(nti% it com.%ete%& o+ercomes (s#. 3e en)ea+or to get it
o(t of o(r *o)ies *efore it s.rea)s, 'hich is 'hat
cancers, an) .ornogra.hers, (to come f(%% circ%e *ack to the
s(*5ect# )o.
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9o+e the sinner, hate the sin... (s(/ co&ote, I/2=/99 100;@; >"#
- )onCt *(& it. - neither %o+e, nor hate the sinner (tho(gh
-C) fee% )ifferent, -Cm s(re, if - or a %o+e) one 'ere his/
her +ictim#.
1(t, - 'ant ri) of them. !n) if their )emise sa+es others,
'ho make the shamanCs choice to the %ight si)e, then goo)
has *een ser+e), ahimsa has *een )one.
S(O
Ta%king to the ki)s... (s(/ co&ote, I/2=/99 102K=@ >"#
- )o ta%k to the ki)s a*o(t se0(a% matters. 1(t a%% the
ta%king in the 'or%) isnCt going to he%. m& )a(ghter if
some .orn-ins.ire) &ahoos gra* her o(t of a .arking %ot
in *roa) )a&%ight, ra.es an) m(r)ers her (as ha..ene) here
%ast &ear#to ha+e their f(n at her e0.ense (in the *ackseat,
*& the 'a&, on to. of a *i*%e inscri*e) 'ith the name of
one of the ra.ists - in go%)#. Nor 'i%% it he%. m& son if
some 5erk tricks him into a sit(ation 'here heCs
+(%nera*%e to attack or %a&s some choic& .orn rags on
him.
,+er&'here in the 'or%), 'omen, chi%)ren an) 4'eaker4 men are
+io%ent%& re.resse) thro(gh se0(a% terrorism. ,+er&'here,
.ornogra.h& .er.et(ates this s&stem. En%& *& agressi+e%&
fighting for res.ect an) )ecent *eha+ior, are an& gains
ma)e.
3here $F" is .ractice), for e0am.%e, nothing gets *etter *&
sim.%& sa&ing, 49et (s ha+e com.assion for the c%it c(tters.
The& sim.%& ha+e a )ifferent c(%t(re than 'e )o (&eah, a
c(%t(re tha m(ti%ates 'omen#4 LThe same goes for ma%e
genita% m(ti%ators.M Disc(ssing the .hi%oso.hica% merits
of )ark si)e/%ight si)e )oesnCt make for change, an)
neither )oes .ro+i)ing ZK00 seminars for .eo.%e to engage in
*reath'ork. 3hat 'orks is .eo.%e co%%ecti+e%& sa&ing, 4
,no(gh is eno(gh. 3e )onCt )o that to o(r 'omen4 an) then
aggressi+e%& .rosec(ting (an) .ersec(ting# those 'ho
.ersist.
1(t then, .er.ha.s *eing a &ogi, to some .eo.%e, means
transcen)ing an) therefore ne+er ha+ing to s(%%& oneCs
han)s 'ith c%eaning (. (g%& messes....
Namaste,
S(O
=0 of 22; Yoga Conference.32.=0
Di%emma a sit(ation in 'hich an& )ecision &o( make is 'rong. (crota%(s, I/2K/99
1039@2 !"#
3hat a*o(t the >E< 4the ans'ers %ie 'ithinD4 "an& of the great
s.irit(a% teachings sa& this, (s(a%%& as a .reface to
re2(iring ren(nciation of some sort.
So, )oes the &ogi/&ogini tr& to fi0 himse%f/herse%f first or
*an) together an) reg(%ate the en+ironment accor)ing to
the .o.(%ar )octrine (%ea+ing asi)e the stick& .ro*%em of
5(st 'here to )ra' the %ine on *eha+ior#D !s Tramer V
!%sta) ha+e mentione) in the F(r( >a.ers !(thoritarian
"asks of >o'er, 4-f these s&stems of ren(nciate )octrine
an) )ogma are so hot, ho' come nothing m(ch has change)
in the 3,=00 &ears the&C+e *een o.eratingD4
3hen the hor)e is at the )oor, the choice is (s(a%%& to
get &o(r e%*o's o(t. The -nternet has *ro(ght the .orn
hor)e to )oor. The s(..%iers seem to *e the on%& ones
rea%%& making an& )o(gh o(t of the net an) the (sers
seem to ha+e )ee. .ockets. The emerging )emogra.hics of
the -nternet (ser *ase 'i%% (n)o(*te)%& change this
tren). "ost of the .eo.%e coming onto the net these )a&s
are not %ooking for .orn. The& ma& *rief%& .oke a*o(t in
it to assess the tr(e nat(re of a )ist(r*ing c(%t(ra%
.rofi%e or to satisf& their notion of re+(%sion *(t in
the %ong r(n the&C%% 5(st 'hine a*o(t the )iffic(%ties
an) )angers of )ea%ing 'ith its (n'ante) .resence as
the& s(rf a%ong. Techno%og& an) +igi%ante techni2(es (itCs
not har) to *ring e+en the most ro*(st ser+er to its
knees# 'i%% .ro*a*%& 'in the )a&.
-C+e *een asto(n)e) at the n(m*er of men (itCs most%&
mi))%e c%ass ma%es, age 1K-=0 accor)ing to the ear%& 'e*
)emogra.hics# 'ho fa+or the materia%6 s(re%& enn(i is
setting in an) not e+en an esca%ation of the har)ness
sca%e 'i%% ho%) their attention for %ong - 'hen fr(it is
no %onger for*i))en, it *ecomes 5(st fr(it. (,+er sme%%
rotten f%& co+ere) 'aterme%onD#
3hether -nternet .orn is a ne' enhance) +ersion of an
o%) too% of the .atriarch& to conscio(s%& re.ress 'omen
an) *rain'ash the ma%e s%a+e is )e*ata*%e. -C) sa& s.orts
(.artic(%ar%& the +io%ent st(ff ro)eo, foot*a%%, hocke&, a(to
racing, r(g*&...# an) the tren) to'ar)s rec%aiming tra)itiona%
ma%e .rerogati+es (The >romise Tee.ers an) their i%k# are
5(st as 'orrisome.
8o' man& more )ist(r*e) in)i+i)(a%s 'ith a .orn ha*it
'i%% ha(nt o(r ne's so(rcesD !s S(O .oints o(t, it rea%%&
*ecomes a .ersona% iss(e 'hen it increases &o(r o'n
.ersona% an0iet& an) increases the )anger to &o(r
.ersona% circ%e.
So, is 8og(e right or notD
4The ke& to en)%ess tomorro's is the rea%i/ation that &o(,
a%% of (s, are the .ro*%em.
Sto. r(nning a'a& from the see)s of e+er& h(man miser&.
Sto. making e0c(ses for the .ast. Yo(r on%& home in the
cosmos is on fire an) e+er& one of (s is e2(a%%&
res.onsi*%e for %ighting the match an) %ooking the
other 'a&.
Yo( are the .ro*%em an) &o( are a%so the ans'er.
The first ste. to'ar) sa+ing the 'or%) is 'ithin.4
"o+e into sti%%ness an) te%% (s 'hat &o( %earn.
S(/anne (YogaS(/, I/2K/99 10@K3= !"#
S(O,
- think &o( are asking t'o 2(estions. Ene is 3hat )o 'e, as
a societ&, )o a*o(t .orn. The other is -f there is a
.ornogra.her %i+ing on &o(r street, 'hat )o &o( )o.
- think some of (s ha+e *een arg(ing that the roots of
.orn are in the societ& itse%f, an) that to .(nish
.ornogra.hers 'itho(t changing societ&, or at %east the
.art that 'e can affect, is short-site). 8o'e+er, if 'e
r(th%ess%& )ri+e the .orn in)(str& (n)ergro(n), 'i%% 'e
act(a%%& change the *eha+ior of those attracte) to itD
This is a *(siness that a%rea)& %i+es in semi-%ega%it&.
"aking it i%%ega%, enforcing the %a's +igi%ant%&, sti%%
'o(%) .ro*a*%& res(%t on%& in it *eing %ess-'i)e%&
a+ai%a*%e (of co(rse, to an&one 'ith a com.(ter it is sti%%
5(st a mo(se-c%ick a'a&#. -t seems to me that the on%& rea%
action one can take is to tr& an) affect the .eo.%e
aro(n) &o( *& +oicing &o(r o.inion an) gi+ing them a
*etter 'a& of +ie'ing se0(a%it&.
No', as for 2(estion 2, if there is a .ornogra.her on m&
street, )o - in+ite him to ha+e tea 'ith m& )a(ghter
'hi%e gi+ing a sermon on .eace %o+e an) %ightD NEG 1(t the
on%& 'a& to .rotect her is to gi+e her the strength to
recogni/e )anger an) fight against it. - remem*er
)istinct%& going to Stone "o(ntain >ark 'ith m&
ste.)a(ghter an) ste.son a co(.%e of &ears ago. "&
ste.)a(ghter 'as 12 at the time an) fo%%o'ing (s 'a%kers on
her ro%%er-*%a)es. 3e 'ere .assing the .%a&gro(n) 'hen a
+an sto..e) ne0t to m& ste.)a(ghter an) the )ri+er
aske) m& if she 'ante) to take a ri)e. - 'as so .ro()
that she recogni/e) the )anger, &e%%e) 4NoG4 %o()%&, an) sai), 4"&
father is right there4 an) skate) to'ar) (s as fast as
she co(%). 3e ha) a har)er time at the skating rink that
s(mmer 'hen a strange fe%%o' 'ho 'as there 'itho(t an&
ki)s ke.t coming (. to o(r ki)s an) te%%ing them 5okes,
acting rea% frien)%&. 3e to%) them after'ar)s that 'e
tho(ght he 'as s(s.icio(s an) the& sai), 4Eh, *(t he seeme)
so niceG4 48o' man& a)(%ts )o &o( kno' 'ho come to a skating
rink 'itho(t ki)sD4 'e aske).
- 'as +er& thankf(% for the e0.erience - gaine) in
)ea%ing 'ith cree.s on the %istening hot%ine. 1efore -
'orke) there, a g(& a..roache) me at a s(*'a& an) str(ck
(. a frien)%& con+ersation. - 'as (ncomforta*%e 'ith him,
an) - ne+er ga+e o(t m& rather (ni2(e %ast name e+er, *(t
someho' *eca(se - 'as too .o%ite to shoo him off, he got
eno(gh information to track me )o'n at 'ork (he ca%%e)
c%aiming that he 'ishe) to em.%o& me#. !t that .oint - 'as
smart eno(gh to sa&, 4-C%% take &o(r n(m*er an) ca%% &o(
*ack,4 an) not ca%% *ack, *(t if he ha) *een more .ersistent
he co(%) ha+e tracke) me )o'n on foot since he ha) m&
'ork a))ress.
!fter ser+ing at hot%ine, - 'as again accoste) at a "etro
station *& a man, *(t that time instea) of engaging in
the 4frien)%&4 *anter, - sai), 4-Cm sorr&, - )onCt kno' &o( an) -
)onCt fee% comforta*%e gi+ing o(t an& information to
&o(. Foo) *&e.4 The cree. *acke) off.
No, +ictims canCt a%'a&s a+oi) a se0 .er+ert, *(t the& can
sometimes. 1eing kin) )oesnCt mean *eing a s(cker.
7effre& Dahmer (YogaS(/, I/2K/99 11@210 !"#
1T3, the *ook *& 7effre& DahmerCs )a) seeme) %ike a
gen(ine effort at intros.ection6 it 'as a%most .ainf(% to
rea) his efforts an) fin)ing the .%aces 'here he fe%t
he might ha+e gone 'rong as a .arent. -n it he )i) not
mention his re%igio(s *e%iefs, a%tho(gh .erha.s he is a
1orn !gain himse%f. 8e came across as rather
non-re%igio(s in the *ook6 more of a geek&, (nemotiona%
enginer). 3hat 'as s(s.icio(s%& a*sent from the *ook 'as
m(ch information a*o(t 7effre&Cs mother, 'ho )i+orce) his
father 'hen 7effre& 'as in high schoo%. The information
a*o(t 7effre&Cs ear%& &ears in)icate) that the mom 'as
kin) of freak& an) h&sterica% an) the *ook 'as %ight on
e0.%anation a*o(t 'h& the mother %eft 7effre& to %i+e
a%one in the former share) resi)ence in high schoo%,
s.%itting 'ith her other son to another .%ace. -t seeme)
%ike the father 'ante) to e0.%ore his o'n ro%e in
7effre&Cs (.*ringing an) not get ca(ght in a *%aming
game a*o(t 'hich .arent 'as res.onsi*%e for their son
*eing a seria% ki%%er of the 'orst sort. - 'o(%) *e
2(ite intereste) in kno'ing more a*o(t 7effre& DahmerCs
mother.
"& .oint a*o(t 7effre& Dahmer is not that he sho(%) *e
forgi+en *eca(se he got re%igion, *(t that he is not .(re
e+i%, *(t a .erson 'ith goo) an) e+i% *oth 'ithin him...5(st a
'ho%e %ot more e+i% than goo).
S(/anne (YogaS(/, I/2K/99 12@920 >"#
S(O,
- rea) the artic%e on seria% ki%%ers &o( reference)
a*o+e an) fo(n) the conc%(sion to *e, interesting%&, 2(ite
)ifferent from 'hat &o( are arg(ing a*o(t .ornogra.h&

Te) 1(n)&, in his %ast )a&s, ma)e a.oca%&.tic
.rono(ncements against .ornogra.h&, sa&ing that it 'as
res.onsi*%e for his e0cesses. 8e o.ine) that men .rogress
from soft-core .orn to har)-core, sa)istic, *%oo)& .orn, to
ra.e an) seria% m(r)er. Dr. Diet/ )oes not s(*scri*e to
this sim.%istic tho(gh .o.(%ar 4)omino4 theor& of
.ornogra.h& a))iction *eing the ca(se of seria% m(r)er.
The ca(se %ies far )ee.er, in the chi%)hoo)s that ha+e
*een s.ent *efore the *o& e+er sees a .ornogra.hic
maga/ine or +i)eo. Dr. Diet/ o*ser+es that

>ara.hi%ia a%most ne+er originates after a)o%escence, an)
.s&cho.ath& ne+er )oes. No s.rink%ing of images, ho'e+er
)e+iant, can ren)er an other'ise norma% man either
.ara.hi%ic or crimina%.

The %ea. from fantas& to action has m(ch to )o 'ith
character an) the +icissit()es of %ife, an) %itt%e or
nothing to )o 'ith the o*5ects of )esire.

=@ of 22; Yoga Conference.32.=@
Coming Together (Shakti Das, I/2K/99 1=;@0 >"#
-C+e *een 'atching at a )istance, *(t itCs har) to remain
in si%ence 'hen &aCa%% are ta%king a*o(t s(ch a
N,F9,CT,D an) 'i)e%& -FNEB,D s(*5ect. - 'ant to sa& first
thanks to S(/ for *ringing it (. an) tr&ing to come to
effecti+e terms 'ith 4it4 an) .ositi+e%& make change. -f 'e
are s(ccessf(% then the 'or%) 'i%% *e a more creati+e (
an) safe .%ace#.
1(t first - think in or)er to )o this (if this is in)ee)
o(r tr(e goa%# then - s(ggest that 'e foc(s on the goa%. -s
not the goa% to .re+ent +io%ence to 'omen an) 'as
*anning .ornogra.h& on%& one s(ggestion in or)er to )o
thatD
- agree that .ornogra.h& is mere%& a s&m.tom of the
greater ma%aise, an) .(tting it (n)ergro(n) (%ike
.rostit(tion, )r(gs, or %ike .rohi*ition in the t'enties
ma& not *e act(a%%& co(nter.ro)(cti+e an) take (s a'a&
from %onger %asting an) more ca(sa% so%(tions (to the
.ro*%em of +io%ence an) o..ression of 'omen or an& se0
for that matter#.
9ike Na/ism in Ferman&, 8it%er nee)e) a ca.ti+e a()ience.
-f the& 'ere not a%rea)& .s&cho%ogica%%& an)
emotiona%%& ri.e, the& 'o(%) not ha+e *o(ght in to his 4
.rogram4. Yet fe' ha+e in+estigate) the .s&cho%og& of
a(thoritarianism, fascism, tota%itarianism, or other s(ch
)&sf(nctiona% schemes.
9ike'ise the 2(estion m(st *e aske) sooner or %ater
'hat makes men ri.e for .ornogra.h& (some 'omen a%so#. No'
man& )o not 'ant to kno' 4reasons4 *eca(se the& ha+e a
.re5()ice against reason. The& fai% to )isting(ish it
from 5(stification, *(t m& 4contention4 (forgi+e me# is that 'hen
'e fin) o(t the reason, 'e can fin) o(t the ca(se, an) then
'e can e%iminate the ca(ses. - *e%ie+e in it, *eca(se -
ha+e e0.erience) this first han).
- s(ggest that if 'e are serio(s in tack%ing this
hatre), mani.(%ation, strife, a*(se, an) +io%ence *et'een se0 (
'hi%e .ornogra.h& fee)s off of# then 'e e+ent(a%%& ha+e
to tack%e this (n)er%&ing 2(estion.
E..ression an) mani.(%ation of 'omen e0iste) for
cent(ries *efore the inter-net an) *efore mo)ern
.ornogra.h&. To 4think4 that *& e%iminating the s&m.tom, the
.ro*%em 'i%% go a'a& is 'ishf(% thinking. The i)ea that
the a+ai%a*i%it& of .ornogra.h& contri*(tes to +io%ence
to'ar) 'omen - fee% is a%so (nso(n). $or ma& it gi+es
them re%ease. The fact that most se0 crimina%s are
a))icte) to .ornogra.h& )oes not make .ornogra.h& the
ca(se, 5(st %ike the fa%%acio(s arg(ment that most angina
s(fferers ma& take nitro, )oesnCt make nitro the ca(se of
angina.
No .ornogra.h& )oesnCt he%., *(t -C) %ike to ask men 'h&
the& are attracte) to .ornogra.h& in the first .%ace. !s
a man - can ans'er some of these 2(estions first han)
an) - kno' that some of the ans'ers ma& s(r.rise 'omen.
So 'e a%% ha+e something to %earn if 'e sta& o.en to
%earning.
"en ha+e *een critici/e) for not 'anting to (n)erstan)
'omen, an) for man& men the& ha+e ha) to %earn to %isten
to something 'hich is foreign to the ma%e e0.erience. Yes
'omen are )ifferent from men (har) %esson#. 8o'e+er in this
case if 'e 'ish to (n)erstan) ma%e +io%ence to 'omen (not
5(stif& it# in or)er to reme)& it (if that is o(r tr(e
.(r.ose# then 'omen ha+e to 'ant to (n)erstan) the ma%e
.atho%og& (not sim.%& )emoni/e it or con)emn it# not sim.%&
s(ggest e+en more re.ressi+e meas(res as a fi0 (if the
ca(se has something to )o 'ith re.ression#. No men are not
an e+i% s.ecies (&o( kno' +io%ence to 'omen an)
.ornogra.h& are not common or occ(r at the same ration
e+er&'here e2(a%%&.
- *e%ie+e that conscio(sness an) a'areness can %ea) (s
a%% into a richer, more .ro)(cti+e, an) *etter %ife, *(t
c%osemin)e)ness, i)eo%og&, an) emotiona% .ost(ring 'i%% not.
"en an) 'omen *oth s(ffer from this ignorance a*o(t
their o'n se0(a%it& an) the 'a&s that its nat(ra% an)
harm%ess e0.ression *ecomes corr(.te) an) .er+erte).
- tr(%& 'e%come a constr(cti+e )isc(ssion of this %ong
ignore) s(*5ect if 'e can sta& foc(se). 8a+e - mis-state)
the foc(s an)/or are 'e +er& far a.art on thisD -s there a
*asis to contin(e a%ong these %ines or D
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ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/2K/99 ;3I0; >"#
The m(s%ims )estro&e) man& of the *ea(tif(% tem.%es
in -n)ia *eca(se of their 4.ornogra.hic4 stat(es
that 'ere on the tem.%e 'a%%s. ! fe' %ike T(5araho
ha+e s(r+i+e). To some these 'o(%) *e e+i% )e.ictions of
.er+erte) se' acts an) to others
a *ea(tif(% artistic e0.ression of (ninhi*ite)
se0(a% re%ationshi. in a sacre) conte0t. :n%ess
some*o)& is harme) .&sica%%& or menta%%& then .eo.%e
sho(%) *e a%%o'e) to )o 'hate+er the& fee%
%ike )oing an) no*o)& sho(%) tr& to sto. them.
"a&*e 'hen a%% the .ossi*i%ities of .er+ersion
ha+e fina%%& *een e0.%ore) then a *a%ance 'i%%
come. 8o' )oes the s.irit(a% fit into thisD
=K of 22; Yoga Conference.32.=K
Foo) ta see &a again )onn& (crota%(s, I/2K/99 ;=21I >"#
Yeah, thatCs a*o(t m& take on it. Fotta kee. 'orking the
(n)er%&ing ca(ses - for that 'e nee) the +er& rights .(t
in .eri% *& .orn.
heh
AA9ike Na/ism in Ferman&, 8it%er nee)e) a ca.ti+e
a()ience. -f the& 'ere not a%rea)& .s&cho%ogica%%& an)
)&sf(nctiona% schemes.H
$or a min(te there, - tho(ght - 'as rea)inC Tramer (V
!%sta) tho(gh as - reca%% 7oe% 'as the foc(s of &o(r
iss(es#.
AANo .ornogra.h& )oesnCt he%., *(t -C) %ike to ask men
'h& the& are attracte) to .ornogra.h& in the first
.%ace. !s a man - can ans'er some of these 2(estions
first han) an) - kno' that some of the ans'ers ma&
s(r.rise 'omen.H
:h h(h. 9esC hear em.
3e%% &eah, Te+in6 4no acco(nting for taste4 an) there-in %ies
the r(* *(t then 'e can a%% .ro*a*%& ra%%& aro(n)
something that seems *e&on) the .a%e. Ene of the things
'e a%% canCt a*i)e is +io%ence to 'omen, e+en the ones
'ho, from time to time, )eser+e it *& some heino(s act (%ike
+io%ence to a chi%) ma&*e#. - canCt rea%%& a*i)e +io%ence
to men either *(t 'e seem to enco(rage it (ask S(O, she
%o+es hocke&#. So, rea%%& ho' )oes the s.irit(a% fit into
thisD
=; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.=;
1etcha 3a%ter from the 1ig 9e*o'ski sho's (. soon (crota%(s, I/2K/99 I1=3= >"#

=I of 22; Yoga Conference.32.=I
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, I/2K/99 93031 >"#
S(O,
-, too, rea) Diet/Cs comment that he )oesnCt acce.t the
sim.%& theor& that .orn %ea)s to ra.e, tho(gh he )oes
%ater *ring it (., in .art, as a ca(sa% factor, in the 2(ote
- .oste). - 'on)erW)oes he .ersona%%& (se .ornD -C+e seen
fo%ks go right (. to the *rink of (n)erstan)ing the
i%%-effects of .orn, on%& to *ack off *eca(se, 'e%%, 'hat the
he%% 'o(%) the& )o 'ith their Sat(r)a& nights if the&
ga+e it (..
- a%'a&s ask m&se%f this 2(estion 'hen - fin) a
+ehement a.o%ogist for .orn. -f - )irect%& ask the
2(estion 4are &o( a .orn cons(merD4 - most often get a 4none of
&o(r *(siness (Yes, *(t - 'onCt a)mit it.#4 4(>ro()%&# Yes,4 a +er& rare 4No4
an) a 'ho%e %ot of ner+o(s 'igg%ing. - 'onCt ask the
2(estion on this for(m, (*(t the .ersona% is a%'a&s
.o%itica% an) an& one so inc%ine) is in+ite) to s.eak
their tr(th.#
Yo( are right a*o(t DahmerCs fatherCs *ook6 from 'hat -
(n)erstan) (-C+e on%& rea) e0cer.ts# he )oes tr& to take a
har) %ook at 'hat his ro%e co(%) ha+e *een. Sti%%, - )onCt
*e%ie+e 'e got the 'ho%e stor&.
Te+in,
- ne+er a)+ocate) for a *an on .orn, *(t to sim.%& a..%&
some attention to managing its )istri*(tion co(.%e)
'ith se+ere .ena%ties, ro(tine%& enforce), for
ina..ro.riate (se. - am after management, rather than
free-for-a%%.
Donn&,
The iss(e - am e0.%oring isnCt ho' to .re+ent +io%ence
to 'omen. - ha+e attem.te) here not to %a*e% men as
+icio(s .er.etrators, *(t as .%a&ers in a s&stem that
seems to r(n on .ornogra.h& as f(e%. -, .ersona%%&, ha+e
reache) the .oint 'here - think 'e nee) to transcen)
the ten)enc& to gen)er-*%ame. -Cm not %ooking for a
feminist )e*ate on +io%ence against 'omen, nor ha+e - an&
interest in ma%e-*ashing. - ha..en to %ike men - a %ot (
es.ecia%%& the one - %i+e 'ith#.
Frante), men (se .orn more fre2(ent%& an) )o the %ionCs
share of the ra.ing. En the other han), 'omen make (. the
engine of the cons(mer c(%t(re an) the im.acts from
that %itt%e +ice are e+er& *it as +io%ent. -tCs a%'a&s
somethingW.
"& 2(estion is more a%ong the %ines of 4)o h(mans
f%o(rish s.irit(a%%& in an en+ironment of tota% free)om
to )o an&thing the& )esire, e+en if it harms others. Er, is
it a co%%ecti+e ()are - sa& s.irit(a%# res.onsi*i%it& of
a%% of (s to )e+e%o. reasona*%e socia% *o(n)aries that
.ro+i)es s.ace for o(rse%+es an) others to gro'D4 Er, in
sim.%er 'or)s, is s.irit(a%it& a strict%& so%o occ(.ation(4
s.irit(a% mast(r*ation,4# or are 'e o*%igate) to 'ork
together as a gro(. to maintain *asic stan)ar)s of
*eha+iorD
-Cm not ta%king a*o(t )e+e%o.ing a re%igio(s )octrine
an) *(rning those 'ho 'onCt *e%ie+e in a .artic(%ar set
of m&ths. -Cm ta%king a*o(t setting comm(nit& stan)ar)s
for fair, res.ectf(% treatment of one another - sort of a
Fo%)en B(%e. 3hat is so 'rong 'ith thisD "& .oint of +ie'
is that those 'ho canCt fo%%o' this sim.%e r(%e sho(%)
go off an) *e hermits.
Yo( sa& 49ike Na/ism in Ferman&, 8it%er nee)e) a ca.ti+e
a()ience. -f the& 'ere not a%rea)& .s&cho%ogica%%& an)
)&sf(nctiona% schemes.4
"an& .eo.%e ha+e )one a fine 5o* of in+estigating the
.s&cho%og& of the )&sf(nctions &o( mention, s.ecifica%%&
!%ice "i%%er ('ho 'rote e0tensi+e%& on chi%) a*(se#, 7oe%
Tramer ('hom 1o* has )isc(sse)#, ,ric 8offer (on mass mo+ements#,
8aro%) 1%oom ('ho 'rites on, among other things, memetic
str(ct(res#, an) man& others. 1(t, fe' .eo.%e rea%%& ha+e .ai)
attention to their 'ork.
-t seems to me (an) histor& *ears this o(t# that h(mans
seem to *e 4.er.et(a%%& .s&cho%ogica%%& an) emotiona%%&
ri.e4 for mass mo+ements simi%ar to 8it%erCs >erha.s
there ma& *e no 4%onger %asting an) more ca(sa% so%(tion4
for the +io%ence +isite) (.on the 'eaker *& the
stronger6 that this is the 4norma%4 or 4nat(ra%4 con)ition of
h(mansD There is m(ch e+i)ence this is so. -f &o( take
the .osition, if on%& for a moment, that the nat(ra%
inc%ination is to'ar)s +io%ence, then it makes sense, as a
societ& to tr& to circ(m+ent this ten)enc&, 'hich Ten
3i%*er refers to as the 4ki%% it or f(ck it4 (rge. (!s 'ar is
a%most (ni+ersa%%& accom.anie) *& mass ra.e.#
Certain%&, there is something to 'hat 1o* sa&s a*o(t
other forms of +io%ence. !s he sai), - %o+e hocke&, 'hich is
a .artic(%a%& .h&sica% game, 'herein the men go at one
another .rett& aggressi+e%&. -Cm not o(t to get 5o& from
men h(rting one another. -tCs more a case of )e%ighting
in seeing fierce, strong 'arriors, .erforming mock *att%e
in )iffic(%t con)tions (on the ice#. The& are 4cham.ions,4 - safe%& (
for the a()ience, an'a&# channe%e) 'arriors. -C) rather ha+e
them in the rink then in the a%%e&. !n), as %ong as -Cm
*aring it a%% here, - am not intereste) at a%% in co%%ege
hocke&, 'here the game is %ess .h&sica%%& +io%ent. 1(t, -
'o(%) remin) 1o*, this +io%ence is +o%(ntar&, as a..ose) to
that +isite) (.on a 'oman or chi%) )(ring a ra.e, for
e0am.%e.
>orn is on%& one as.ect of the greater s.irit(a%
2(estion regar)ing the nat(re of h(man-kin). - *ro(ght
.orn (. here as a +ehic%e for the s.irit(a% )isc(ssion
*eca(se - think it is re%e+ant to tantra an) h(man
se0(a%it&.
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B(ssiaG Er, hereCs one to fin) &o(rse%f a
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htt.//'''.thatma%%.com/cgi-*in/thatma%%Dtantra/tantra
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3o', those %inks are strangeG <er& interesting
t'ist Lno .(n inten)e)M to tantra. -Cm not
s(re if that is 'hat the ancients ha) in min)
*(t it certain%& ref%ects an interesting as.ect
of o(rse%+es. Note'orth& is the ama/ing .o'er of
the fema%e form to e+oke a res.onse Lfor goo)
or *a) en)sM. - think that this 'as at the heart
of some of the (se of eroticism in the tantric
art an) rit(a%. The .(re shakti an) .o'er of
the *ea(t& of the fema%e nat(ra%%& mo+es energ&
some'here an) if it is channe%%e) to'ar)s a higher
state then - g(ess it is a goo) thing.
K0 of 22; Yoga Conference.32.K0
!re 'e shooting o(rse%+es in the footD (Shakti Das, I/2;/99 2310@ !"#
S(/ &o( sa&6 4The iss(e - am e0.%oring isnCt ho' to .re+ent
to 'omen.4
3e%% - 'as afrai) of that. - rea) ear%ier .osts of &o(rs
'hich c%aime) that &o( )i)nCt 'ant to 'a%k )o'n the
streets in fear of +io%ence an) a%so S(/anneCs 'orries
of .otentia% +io%ence to her ste. )a(ghter. - a%so share
this concern an) it is an iss(e to me.
S(/ 'hen &o( sa& 4-t seems to me (an) histor& *ears this o(t#
that h(mans seem to *e 4.er.et(a%%& .s&cho%ogica%%& an)
emotiona%%& ri.e4 for mass mo+ements simi%ar to 8it%erCs
>erha.s there ma& *e no 4%onger %asting an) more ca(sa%
so%(tion4 for the +io%ence +isite) (.on the 'eaker *& the
stronger6 that this is the 4norma%4 or 4nat(ra%4 con)ition of
h(mansD There is m(ch e+i)ence this is so ..that the nat(ra%
inc%ination is to'ar)s +io%ence.4
- am remin)e) that this so(n)s strange%& m(ch %ike the
)octrine of origina% sin, 'hich - fin) *oth e0cee)ing%&
c&nica% an) nihi%istic as 'e%% as )isem.o'ering
i)eo%ogies on the .%anet.
Frante) that this is the +ie' of the f(n)amenta%ists as
'e%% (an) not 5(st Christian f(n)amenta%ists# 'hose
so%(tion is (s(a%%& more .(nishment, more %a's, more
.risons, an) more armies i.e., more force, re.ression, an) +io%ence
to co(nteract it. -n this regar) are &o( sa&ing that &o(
are in a%ign 'ith that or am - rea)ing most%& m& o'n
'eir) st(ff into thisD
Not that - am ca%%ing &o( names -# *(t ca%%ing this this to
&o(r attention as a .ossi*%e contra)iction (shooting
&o(rse%f in the footD#
- kno' that e+er&time - am *%ocke) an) fina%%& fin) m&
'a& o(t the ma/e, - fin) that - 'as shooting m&se%f in
the foot.
-t is not at a%% c%ear to me that the cons(mer engines,
the engines of +io%ence to 'omen, nor the engines of
+io%ence in 'ar an) m(r)er r(ns on .ornogra.h&. Bather
these *anes e0iste) 'a& *efore .ornogra.h& -- the&
themse%+es are the rea% o*scenit& (to me# an) th(s as -
s(ggeste) s(ch 4thinking4 ma& *e taking the cart *efore the
horse.
S(/ &o( sa&6
4"& 2(estion is more a%ong the %ines of C)o h(mans
f%o(rish s.irit(a%%& in an en+ironment of tota% free)om
to )o an&thing the& )esire, e+en if it harms others. Er, is
it a co%%ecti+e ()are - sa& s.irit(a%# res.onsi*i%it& of
a%% of (s to )e+e%o. reasona*%e socia% *o(n)aries that
.ro+i)es s.ace for o(rse%+es an) others to gro'DC Er, in
sim.%er 'or)s, is s.irit(a%it& a strict%& so%o occ(.ation(C
s.irit(a% mast(r*ation,C# or are 'e o*%igate) to 'ork
together as a gro(. to maintain *asic stan)ar)s of
*eha+iorD4
3e%% it a%% )e.en)s ho' &o(, i,'e, )efine s.irit(a%it& (another
can of 'orms 5aD# Bemem*er the )iffic(%t& in sim.%& tr&ing
to )efine 43hat is &oga4D Defining things for others is
a%'a&s a can of 'orms an) - tr& to a+oi) it. 4Stan)ar)s of
*eha+ior is e+en 'orse (an) in a sense is the g%(e of
'hat the 'itch h(nts )i) *& )efining 4'itches4 to *e *e%o'
the stan)ar) 'orth& of %ife ()eci)e) for them# *& the
Ch(rch an) [(een (others#.
S(ch 2(estions of e0terna% manma)e stan)ar)s *e%ong in
a conference )e)icate) to mora% an) ethica% *eha+ior,
certain%& not in this to.ic (tantra an) Se0(a%it&# other
than to sa& that - 'o(%) agree that *eha+ior fo%%o's
conscio(sness (or %ack thereof i.e., that .eo.%e act o(t
accor)ing to 'hat is insi)e. So if &oga as a s.irit(a%
.ractice is a*o(t harmoni/ing the *o)&/min) a*o(t 'hat 'e
fee% -- a%igning 'hat is insi)e of (s in harmon& 'ith
honoring an) res.ecting o(r o'n %ife, an) from there
honoring an) res.ecting a%% %ife an) %ife in genera%, an)
from there other .eo.%eCs %i+es as 'e%%, then &es &oga as
a s.irit(a% )isci.%ine can .ositi+e%& affect societ&
*eca(se it affects o(r o'n *eha+ior (as .art of societ&#
an) other .eo.%eCs %i+es as 'e%% (in o(r .ositi+e
inter-action 'ith other .eo.%e an) o(r en+ironment#.
4So, rea%%& ho' )oes the s.irit(a% fit into
thisD4
To take this *ack to tantra an) h(man se0(a%it&, (an) -
think this ans'ers 1o*Cs an) Te+inCs comments#, if 'e %earn
at an ear%& age that o(r fee%ings a*o(t se0 are not
e+i% *(t rather sacre), that 'omen are not o*5ects of o(r
sense gratification *(t sim.%& remin) (s that 'e are
s.irit(a% anima%s coming to f(nctiona% em*o)ie) terms
'ith %ife, creation, co-creation, an) .ro-creation as a
coherent 'ho%e, than a%% the .ain an) fr(stration that 'e(-
am s.eaking as a man# ha+e tie) an) knotte) (. in not
acting in concert 'ith o(r fee%ings (in terms of se0(a%
fee%ings# 'o(%) ne+er occ(r in the first .%ace an) th(s
the ne(rotic se0 ('hich is associate) 'ith s(ffering,
*on)age, .ain, ang(ish, an) )isem.o'erment# 'o(%) ne+er *e fe)
in associating these e%ements in re%ationshi. to the
o..osite se0.
Frante) this ma& *e a %itt%e hea+& for man& (an) -
ski..e) a fe' stages#, *(t itCs *asica%%& a s&no.sis of the
'e%% kno'n Beichian mo)e% of character armoring thro(gh
se0(a% inhi*ition (5(st refer to 3i%he%m Beich for more#. -n
this regar), f(nctiona% &oga .ractice *rings (s to the
a'areness of the .re-e0istence of this armor an) he%.s
(s 'ork to )e.rogram it (not thro(gh re.ression, *(t *&
affirming the .ositi+e fee%ings an) thro(gh 5o&f(%
a%ignment 'ith 4f%o'4.
Tantra &oga )oes this s.ecifica%%& in regar)s to se0(a%
f(nction *& .%acing the se0(a% acti+it& 'ithin the
conte0t of esta*%ishing this f%o', reso%+ing the
im*a%ance of .o%arities (ma%e/fema%e, mo+ing (s o(t of
fragmente) a%ienate) e0istence an) *ringing (s *athe
'ithin the non-)(a% em*race at o(r tr(e center (*efore
the e0traction into the negati+e .rogramming an)
artificia% con)itioning# --into the Freat (ncon)itione) 'hich
is o(r nat(ra% state ()anger m& o'n .re)i%ections#.
>ersona%%& - think tantra hasnCt *een gi+en a 4*i%%ionith4
of a chance &et in the 3est. -t is *est a..%ie) &o(ng
*efore the ne(rotic )&sf(nctiona% .atterns are forme) (
something that the f(n)amenta%ists are 4hot%&4 set against#.
Th(s here is the %ink (a%*eit in a n(tshe%%# *et'een
+io%ence, armoring, estrangement, s.irit(a%it&, se0o%og&, an)
&oga if an&one 'ants to take the *a%% an) r(n 'ith itD
C(%t(ra% (YogaS(/, I/2;/99 ;=022 !"#
- think .orn is a s&m.tom of a c(%t(re that +ie's
se0(a%it& as immora%. Se0(a%it& then someho' *ecomes
.er+erte) into .ossession an) o'nershi.. Simi%ar%&, in
c(%t(res 'ith $F", a 'oman is .ri/e) as a .ossession more
than a se0(a% *eing. She is (nmarriagea*%e 'itho(t the 4
o.eration,4 *(t 'ith it she is inca.a*%e of ha+ing se0(a%
.%eas(re.
- agree that to sto. .ornogra.h&, 'e a%so nee) to change
the 'a& o(r c(%t(re a..roaches se0(a%it& as a 'ho%e. 3hat
is so )ifferent *et'een .ornogra.h& an) 1a&'atchD
Chi%)ren ear%& on get the message that se0(a% .%eas(re
comes from .ossessing a *ea(tif(% 'oman. 3atch Sa+e) *&
the 1e%% sometime an) 'atch the *o&s chase after the
c(te *(t *itch& gir% an) ignore the nice gir%.
-C+e *een en5o&ing 'atching 1(ff& the <am.ire S%a&er
*eca(se it has a 'oman as the %ea)...a thinking, acti+e 'oman
'ho is *oth masc(%ine an) feminine. Yet, as -Cm 'atching it
'ith m& h(s*an) an) ste.son, the& are commenting on ho'
.rett& Sarah "iche%%e Fe%%er (1(ff&# is. -t angere) me
that the& 'ere %(sting o+er her in this .h&sica% 'a&,
'hen there is so m(ch more to her that makes her
attracti+e. Yet, .h&sica%it& is a .art of %o+e. Shakes.eare
(n)erstoo) this an) his .%a&s ha+e n(mero(s .%a&s on 4
a..earances4 an) 4tr(e %o+e.4 ! "i)s(mmer NightCs Dream )ea%s
'ith this iss(e thro(gho(t. There is a .h&sica% si)e to
%o+e. 3e sho(%)nCt )en& the se0(a% a%%(re of .h&sica%%&
*ea(tif(% .erson. -snCt there, tho(gh, something more to itD
-snCt it a%so a*o(t connecting )ee.%& 'ith someoneD That,
to me, seems to *e the .art that gets %eft o(t in o(r
c(%t(re.
1o* Co0 (t&m.anach(s c(.i)o, I/2;/99 10202= !"#
AAThere is m(ch e+i)ence this is so ..that the nat(ra%
inc%ination is to'ar)s +io%ence.4
A- am remin)e) that this so(n)s strange%& m(ch %ike the
)octrine of origina% sin, 'hich - fin) *oth e0cee)ing%&
c&nica% an) nihi%istic as 'e%% as )isem.o'ering
i)eo%ogies on the .%anet.H
No' that is a sa%ient o*ser+ation. "& momCs Christian
faith *%oome) %ate in her %ife an) - ne+er kne' her to
s(*scri*e to the misera*%e i)ea of origina% sin as the
Yah'eh cro') )efine it. - canCt remem*er that she e+er
%ai) it on me as a ki)
- 'as a fai%(re an) 2(ick%& e5ecte) from !ng%ican
S(n)a& schoo% - 'hen the 'ho%e cock an) *(%% nat(re of
the )octrine is o*+io(s to a 9 &ear o%), it sho(%) *e a
c%(e. Seems to me 5(st *eca(se 'e ha+e com.%ete
to%erance Ls(s.en)e), of co(rse, for 'itch *(rnings an) the
%ikeM for otherCs faiths, that 'e sho(%)nCt *e for*i))en to
s.eak critica%%&.
The origina% sin )octrine, 'hich - fin) as hi%ario(s as
it is a*horrent, ma& *e co%oring m& o'n .essimism a*o(t
the (%timate .ros.ects for o(r s.ecies. - agree 'ith 7ohn
8og(e that 8omo no+(s 'i%% emerge from 8omo moriens (4)eath
man,4 the gang 'e *e%ong to (nfort(nate%&# an) that there ma&
*e some significant attrition in the .rocess. The fo(r
horsemen are circ%ing again or ma&*e thatCs Ta%i on the
hori/on or ma&*e thereCs a ce%estia% e+ent (sooner or
%ater, for s(re# in o(r f(t(re that 'i%% re*oot the
*ios.here.
-C) %ike to think a 'a& o(t might *e the *%ooming of
the *())hafie%).
!s in)i+i)(a%s 'e can certain%& 'ork to'ar)s am.%if&ing
the 'a+ering f%(0 of the *())hafie%). "& 2(estion is
(ignoring the .re)i%ections an) ten)encies of the s.ecies
as a 'ho%e#,
43hatCs the *est .rogramD4
Do 'e start 'ithin or 'itho(t or, if the ans'er ainCt
that sim.%e, ho' to strike a *a%ance gi+en o(r in)i+i)(a%
ta%ents for 'ork in either area.
Certain%& -Cm more %ike%& (neg%ecting the +er& rea%
.ossi*i%it& of h(*ris here# to ha+e a more .ositi+e
effect %oca%%& (m&se%f, m& near re%ationshi.s, m& comm(nit&#
than g%o*a%%&. So, - 'ork to .reser+e the rights that a%%o'
me to )o so. - 4mo+e into sti%%ness4 as often as - can an) in
as man& 'a&s as - can to %isten for some .rogrammatic 4
ans'ers.4
-nterr(.ting the c&c%e of re.ression for 'hich .orn
ser+es as too% an) in)icator is )a(nting. 8o' 'e mo+e
*e&on) the .%atit()e of 4enco(raging the )e+e%o.ment of
se0(a%it& as a s.irit(a% com.onent4 is not c%ear. 1&
e0am.%e .erha.s. 1& s(..orting the )e.iction of the
*ea(tif(% (trick& *eca(se of taste iss(es an) .references
of the 1DS" cro') 'ho -C+e come aro(n) to inc%()ing in
the great 4norm4 'hen their .ractices %ea) to no .h&sica%
or .s&cho%ogica% harm# as o..ose) to the (g%& an) the
+io%ent. 1& insisting that honoring c(%t(ra% )i+ersit&
)oes not inc%()e a%%o'ing o..ressi+e .ractices in m&
c(%t(re or ignoring the o..ressi+e .ractices
(.artic(%ar%& genita% m(ti%ation, tort(re an) s%a+er&# in
other c(%t(res. The 'orth'hi%e .%eas(re (a%'a&s a
contentio(s iss(e in o(r .%eas(re a)+erse c(%t(re# an)
em.o'erment of s.irit(a% se0 is near%& ineffa*%e an) is
)iscerna*%e rea%%& on%& *& e0.erience or o*ser+ation of
the %i+es of those 'ho .ractice it (- *e%ie+e this is an
as.ect of 7es(s that 'as e)ite) o(t in the constr(ction
of the )ea) man on a )ea) tree *%oo) c(%t that >a(%
ma)e of the ho%& memor&#.
S.eaking of nihi%ism, Niet/sche ha) a goo) o*ser+ation
a%ong the origina% sin %ines
48as the famo(s stor& that stan)s at the *eginning of the
1i*%e rea%%& *een (n)erstoo)D The stor& of Fo)Cs he%%ish
fear of scienceD L...M En%& from 'oman )i) man %earn to taste the
tree of kno'%e)ge. 3hat ha) ha..ene)D The o%) Fo) 'as
sei/e) 'ith he%%ish fear. "an himse%f ha) t(rne) o(t to
*e his greatest mistake6 he ha) create) a ri+a% for
himse%f6 science makes go)%ike - it is a%% o+er 'ith
.riests an) go)s 'hen man *ecomes scientific. "ora%
science is the for*i))en as s(ch - it a%one is for*i))en.
Science is the first sin, the see) of a%% sin, the origina%
sin. This a%one is mora%it&. CTho( sha%t not kno'C - the
rest fo%%o's.4 -$rie)rich 3m. Niet/sche Der !ntichrist L1III/1I9=M
Donn& Simon (Shakti Das, I/2I/99 1200= >"#
errata the first .aragra.h of m& %ast .ost (K0# %eft o(t the
ke& 'or), +io%ence. Sho(%) ha+e sai) 4The iss(e - am e0.%oring
isnCt ho' to .re+ent +io%ence to 'omen.4 'hen 2(oting a 4
%earne)4 frien).
S(/anne - agree 'ith &o(r statement, 4- agree that to sto.
.ornogra.h&, 'e a%so nee) to change
the 'a& o(r c(%t(re a..roaches se0(a%it& as a 'ho%e. 41(t
then ho' )o 'e change this. :nfort(nate%&, this is 'here
most .eo.%e sto. (in .rotest, a*horrence, shock, com.%aint# an)
th(s *ecome ri.e 'hen a )emagog(e comes aro(n) an)
.ro.oses 4*igger .(nishments4, more %a's, more +io%ence, more
.risons, more re.ression, more restriction a%% of 'hich
fee)s the .o%ice state an) a(thoritariasm/tota%itarianism.
This is the emotiona% factor )ri+en *& the engine of
se0(a% re.ression that is characteristic of the
)emagog(es of )isem.o'erment an) mani.(%ation (as the&
fee) off of this sentiment of .o'er%essness an) )es.air#.
So the ne0t ste. is to confront an) in+estigate the 4
ca(se4 'ithin man (rather than neat%& %a*e% it as man *eing
e+i% 'hich is one ste. a'a& from the f(rther corr(.te)
e0tension that 4%ife is he%% an) hea+en is )eath4 -- i.e., that %ife
is not sacre).
-f 'e %ook at this 4.ro*%em4 of e0terna%i/ation an)
o*5ectification it is +er& o%) (*efore .ornogra.h&#.
$ort(nate%& the ans'er is eas& i.e., to 'ake (.. :nfort(nate%&
'aking (. is a threat to the .o'er s&stem (an)
instit(tions of re.ression#.
To me 'aking (. is &oga an) tantra is a .ath to merging
an) harmoni/ing 'ith the .o'er of nat(re (shakti#,
creation, an) creator thro(gh the +ehic%e of conscio(s
.ro-creation energ&. Ye., - am .ro creation -#
Yes, - think the 1(ff& image is great (a strong an)
.o'erf(% 'oman 'ho canCt *e easi%& mani.(%ate) nor o+er
.o'ere)# honoring the *o)&. - %ike that integration an)
message an) the sho' has a nice s.irit ('ish it 'o(%) go
f(rther tho(gh#G
Yo( hit on a .rofo(n) connection 'hen &o( sa& 4There is a
.h&sica% si)e to %o+e. 3e sho(%)nCt )en& the se0(a%
a%%(re of .h&sica%%& *ea(tif(% .erson. -snCt there, tho(gh,
something more to itD -snCt it a%so a*o(t connecting
)ee.%& 'ith someoneD That, to me, seems to *e the .art that
gets %eft o(t in o(r c(%t(re.4
-s this not the .rocess of *o)&/min) integration or &oga (
the .h&sica% .art of %o+e#D 3e are ma%es an) fema%es in the
*o)&, *(t in S.irit there is oneness in )i+esrit&. "& mate
enriches me an) com.%etes me (as a ma%e# *eca(se she
.resents an) em*o)ies the other ha%f -- the em*o)ie) +istas
that - am *%in)e) to as a ma%e ((n%ess - o+ercome m& o'n
.o%arit&, )(a%it&, an) se.arateness# thro(gh &oga (5oining# 'ith
the :ni+ersa%. -f - am not in sama)hi &et, then %o+e can *e
a .ath (not 5(st as integrating the .rocreati+e energies#.
8ere - )o not mean sim.%& )ischarging or )ossi.ating
them# *(t a%so a 5oining, harmoni/ation, an) com.%eteness
*ringing forth an emotiona% an) .s&cho%ogica%
f(%fi%%ment, is that not soD
Eh, if marriage 'as on%& foc(se) (.on *eing more of a
s.irit(a% .artnershi. (he%.mates he%.ing each other
rea%i/e &oga#, then ho' man& .ro*%ems co(%) *e a+oi)e)G The
more enriche) an) .o'erf(% &o( are, the more so, - *ecome
as 'e%%, an) the %ess tension an) stress are *ro(ght into
o(r %i+es -- the more energ& 'e ha+e to em.o'er o(r )ee.er
em*raceG So &es, - agree there e0ists a se0(a% tantra of
emotions as 'e%% an) the& corres.on) to the *o)& an)
the energ& s&stems (chakras# an) ma&*e thatCs 'here 'e ma&
)isc(ss more a*o(t %ater if 'e can a%%o' itD
Yes 1o*6 4The origina% sin )octrine, 'hich - fin) as
hi%ario(s as it is a*horrent, ma& *e co%oring m& o'n
.essimism a*o(t the (%timate .ros.ects for o(r s.ecies.4 -
am afrai) that it is .er+asi+e as 'e%% as insi)io(s, an)
the sooner 'e *ecome conscio(s that there is a 4'ar4 a*o(t
this going on in this c(%t(re, the faster 'e can free
o(rse%+es from its inf%(ence. This i agree 'ith 8og(e is
.art of 4o(r4 co%%ecti+e a'akeningG
!s mentione) a*o+e se0(a% re.ression is .art of the
f(e% for the 4)ark si)e4 (in the star 'ars sense of co(rse#.
43hatCs the *est .rogramD...-nterr(.ting the c&c%e of re.ression
for 'hich .orn ser+es as too% an) in)icator is )a(nting.4
- %inke) those t'o tho(ghts of &o(rs together, *eca(se 'e
ha+e on%& a %imite) reser+e of time to effecti+e%& make
change an) treating s&m.toms (s(ch as .orn, .ornogra.h&, etc#
can *e )istracting as 'e%% as co(nter-.ro)(cti+e. - ha+e
com.%ete confi)ence that if 'ere to e%iminate the
ca(ses of these 4effects4, then these a*errations (a a res(%t
of ne(roses# 'o(%) entire%& )isa..ear. - think that this is
the 4*est .rogram4 an) most 'orth& an) a%so - )o not see it
)a(nting (if 'e can foc(s (.on .ro+oking the a'akening#.
-f 'e )o not a'ake, these an) other a*(ses 'i%% *e hea.e)
(.on 4(s4 as 'e 'i%% contin(e to 4hea.4 it (.on others an) o(r
en+ironment (it 'orks han) in han)#. !s most n(rses treating
s&m.toms can ha+e more )isastero(s res(%ts than the
)isease for 'hich it 'as .rescri*e).
So gi+en that negati+e se0(a% con)itioning can fee)
these negati+e a*errations (as an engine# then - ask ho'
can &oga an) in .artic(%ar T(n)a%ini an) Tantric &oga
techni2(es that conscio(s%& in+estigate an) 'ork 'ith
the .rocreati+e f(nction ser+e this en) (of a'akening#D
There are man& too%s an) .ractices a+ai%a*%e to (s, an)
ne' ones to )e+e%o.. To the e0tent that 'e chose an)
inno+ate 'ise%&, ma& 'e%% *e to the e0tent that 'e
conscio(s%& take o(r o'n )estin& into o(r o'n han)s (a
mark of tr(e %i*eration# 'hi%e to the e0tent that 'e
%ea+e this task to the aristocrac&, e0terna% a(thorities,
.o'er mongers, g(r(s, an) e0terna% mani.(%ators, or to "om
an) >o. ma& *e the markers of the )e.th of o(r
conf(sion an) s%ee..
So the first thing - .ro.ose is that this .rocess of
a'akening is not at a%% 4com.%e04 or )a(nting, *(t rather
+er& sim.%e -- it can *e kno'n 'ithin sim.%& as 4'hat-is4, as o(r
nat(ra% (ncon)itione) state. Bather it is o(r .ast
con)itioning an) .rogramming (an) ha*it(a% gras.ing (nto
this negati+e .rogramming# 'hich occ%()es the Bea%it& of
this sacre) .resence. Th(s the a'akening .rocess is
sim.%& a means of sim(%taneo(s%& )e.rogramming (
.(rification of the channe%s# an) acti+ation of o(r
)ormant e+o%(tionar& .otentia% (the a'akening of
k(n)a%ini#. -t is not com.%e0 -- the com.%e0it& is of the min),
negati+e con)itioning (+rittis#, an) its res(%tant conf(sion (
ignorance#. E*+io(s%& here - am (sing a tantric &oga mo)e%.
This is not to sa& that - am not s(ffering here as m(ch
as an& *o)& e%se.
-s there a *asis here for tantra &ogaD 3ha))&a thinkD
K@ of 22; Yoga Conference.32.K@
,rich Schiffmann (schiffmann, I/2I/99 11=@@1 >"#
Bight, the sacre) .resence is a%rea)& .resent, an) sna..ing
to the fact of it (3aking :.# is sim.%& a matter of kee.ing
&o(r conscio(s attention here in the no', 'here+er &o(
fin) &o(rse%f *eing, the on%& .%ace 'here the %i+ing no'
Bea%it& is a+ai%a*%e to *e c%ear%& e0.erience). Yes, it is
not com.%e0 -- the com.%e0it& is of the min). The necessit&
is for min) to *ecome 2(iet an) sti%%, at %east e+er&
once in a'hi%e, an) there*& .%ace itse%f in the .osition
of ha+ing a ne' e0.erience, from 'hich ne' more acc(rate
conc%(sions can *e )ra'n. - .ractice as man& moments of
the )a& as - can. "irror ga/ing is goo), Ta)asana 'ith
f(%%-on e&e contact. !%so e&e contact 'ith others
thro(gho(t the )a&. $irst &o( fee% it 'ithin, then &o(
start seeing 'itho(t.
K= of 22; Yoga Conference.32.K=
ke+in 'oo) (saha5, I/29/99 K3229 >"#
,rich )o &o( thing that the sim.%e, nat(ra% state
can *e e0.erience) *& e+er&one or is this sim.%e
.rocess of 5(st 'aking (. to the no' not eno(gh for
.eo.%e that are too )ee.%& con)itione)
an) re2(ire some t&.e of .rocess L&oga asana, mo+ement 'ith
*reathing, etc..MD
)onn& 'rites So gi+en that negati+e se0(a% con)itioning
can fee) these negati+e a*errations (as an engine# then -
ask ho' can &oga an) in .artic(%ar T(n)a%ini an)
Tantric &oga techni2(es that conscio(s%& in+estigate
an) 'ork 'ith the .rocreati+e f(nction ser+e this en) (of
a'akening#D
- think that this 'a& of (sing the se0(a% force
'i%% f(e% some engine or another. ,+en the e0.os(re of
o(r )ark fears an) )esires co(%) re%ease (s from them
or f(rther *in) (s to a
hea+& con)itioning. None of (s can ignore o(r
se0(a% si)e an) if it isnCt )e%t 'ith, it 'i%% )ea%
'ith (sG So can 'e (se these techni2(es to the
ca(se of a'akeningD Yes - think so *(t 'e sho(%)
*e a'are that 'e are .%a&ing 'ith fire L%itera%%&M
an) 'e take res.onsi*i%it& for the conse2(ences
of o(r actions. The ra/orCs e)ge of )esire an) anima%
im.(%se an) the concio(s nat(ra% %i*eration
if nat(re is the teacher then 'e nee) not fear
o(r im.(%ses. "a&*e it is the re.ression of o(r
nat(ra% se0 im.(%se that creates )e+iate actionsLmeaning
those that harmM. 3hat 'o(%) ha..en if 'e rea%%& %et go
into the se0(a% im.(%seD
"a&*e this is 'hen it 'o(%) *e e0.ose) in its tr(e
nat(re as the s.irit(a%D
- 5(st sa' the mo+ie 4e&es 'i)e sh(t4 %ast night
an) this fi%m seems to )ea% 'ith that (n)erc(rrent
of se0(a% re.ression that is hi))en insi)e (s.
- g(ess their honest& in e0.osing their se0(a% )esires
co(%) *e seen as a sort of tantric techni2(e of facing
the rea%it& as it is. !n a(thentic %ooking at rea%it&
'itho(t the masks.
KK of 22; Yoga Conference.32.KK
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, I/30/99 91==I !"#
8e%%o, Donn&, Te+in, S(/, 1o* an) ,rich
9ots of foo) for tho(ght in a%% &o(r .osts. - 'i%% ha+e
to )igest for a 'hi%e. - am mo+ing the )isc(ssion o+er
to 4the heart of the matter4 in )eference to Donn&Cs +ie'
this to.ic )oesnCt rea%%& *e%ong in the tantra to.ic.
En a tantra noteW Some of the %essons are goo), *(t - g(ess
- am some'hat )istr(stf(% of tantra. $irst, as has *een
mentione) *efore, there is this 'eir) em.hasis on a man
conser+ing his see) an) not gi+ing it (. to the 'oman.
-n a))ition, m(ch of the 'ritten tra)ition seems to foc(s
on ho' to (se the 'oman 4tantrika4 for a manCs o'n .ersona%
s.irit(a% e%e+ation. Eh, - kno' the .o.(%ar st(ff
em.hasi/es the .artnershi. as.ect, *(t the o%)er roots of
the tra)ition seem to recogni/e shakti as a .o'er to *e
*ro(ght (n)er a manCs contro% +ia the tantric .ractice,
'ith the 'oman (or 'omen# *eing sim.%& a cata%&st for the
manCs en%ightenment (or a%tere) state high#. !%so, as - ha+e
mentione), m(ch of the 'riting seems to se.arate the
tantrika from the marriagea*%e 'oman - another +ersion of
the 4sacre) .rostit(te4 .ers.ecti+e.
8a+ing gone thro(gh the se0(a%%& %i*erate) ;0s, - am a *it
5a)e) an) s(s.icio(s of an& kin) of 4free %o+e4 se0(a%it& (
'hich )oes seem to *e 'o+en into the tantric thing#. !s
-C+e mentione) *efore, free %o+e 'as ne+er 4free4 to most
'omen 'ho en)e) (. )ea%ing 'ith a*ortion or ten)ing to
the chi%)ren that often res(%te) from this a..roach to
se0(a%it& (not to mention the )iseases#. >erha.s this is
5(st resentment, *(t there seems to *e no en) to the
se0(a% scams .%a&e) on +er& &o(ng 'omen. - certain%&
fe%% for eno(gh of them. - see so man& mi))%e-age) g(&s
engaging 'ith a series of &o(ng gir%s in their %ate
teens an) ear%& t'enties, ca%%ing this .ractice 4tantra.4 This
ha..ene) to me, *(t it 'as ca%%e) se0(a% %i*eration, rather
than tantra. Seems %ike 5(st another +ersion of 4teen
.(ss&4 if &o( ask meW.
S(O
K; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.K;
(Shakti Das, 9/1/99 12=129 >"#
,rich,
The .ractice of 4%ooking into a mirror4 is 'a& too scar&
for meG 8a+enCt e+o%+e) that far &et. The .(r.ose of m&
.ractice at this .hase in m& %ife is to integrate m&
&oga in )ai%& %ife an) th(s this inc%()es a..%&ing it
to e+er&)a& %ife acti+ities. This 'a& there is more of a
contin(o(s f%o' (an) m& asana .ractice is *enefits as
'e%%#. Th(s for me &oga is not 5(st ho' 'e%% m& asana
.ractice or me)itation .ractice comes a%ong, *(t rather
the re+erse ho' 'e%% can those .ractices inf%(ence the
nitt& gritt& of )ai%& %ife so that m& %ife *ecomes more
of a magnification of the conscio(s .ractice of
integrit&.
Nat(ra%%&, in )ai%& %ife - .(t this a'areness (that m&
asana, *an)ha, m()ra, .rana&ama, an) me)itation .ractice has
he%.e) )e+e%o.e)# into the societ& at %arge (maintaining
this foc(s#. 3itho(t this integration there is no *a%ance
or integrit& to m& .ractice an) it *ecomes steri%e,
e0tracti+e, an) esca.ist.
-n this regar) - ha+e not forgotten the .rocess of m&
o'n a)o%escence 'here the )esire to esca.e from m& *o)&
ma)e the most sense to m& min) an) 'herein m(ch
ne(roses 'ere create) (thro(gh g(i%t an) re.ression#. This
'as not an e0ce.tion, *(t the norm, those *eing the most 4
*ookish4 an) inhi*ite) *eing the mostr se+ere%&
)isconnecte) from their fee%ings an) *o)&.
-n an& case, - sa' the connections ear%& in %ife *et'een
*o)& negati+e, %ife negati+e, eco%ogica% negati+e, an) se0(a%
negati+e a(thoritarian )ogma on one han) an) free)om,
se%f em.o'erment, an) %ife affirmation on the other. -n
short Sski..ing the .atho%og&# - notice) in men that .rett&
'omen often remin)e) them of this )isassociation (their
re.resse) se0(a% fee%ings that the& 'ere tr&ing to
re.ress an) )iso'n# an) in these .eo.%e in .artic(%ar
there 'as more of a ten)enc& to shoot the messenger
rather than to come to terms that the& ha) insi)e
themse%+es some (nreso%+e) fee%ings. $or instance this is
a common ca(se for misog&n&. This is 'hen - fo(n) $re(),
Beich, Te%eman, >ierakos, Frof, et a% a)+ance) an) re%e+ant. -
a%so fo(n) tantra to *e a)+ance) an) re%e+ant as 'e%%
an) hence st()ie) it a%so. Chinese se0o%og& .rett& m(ch
is simi%ar.
3e a%rea)& )isc(sse) this a*o+e, *(t - am gi+ing some
conte0t here *eca(se a%most 'itho(t e0ce.tion .eo.%e
'i%% com.%ain a*o(t se0(a% a*(se, +io%ence to 'omen, fear
for the safet& of the chi%)ren, .ornogra.h&, se0 re%ate)
crimes, .rostit(tion, an) the %ike. 8o'e+er 'hen the
con+ersation sho(%) come to in2(ire as to 'hat ma& *e
the ca(ses - am a%most a%'a&s s(r.rise) to see the
esca.ism an) a+oi)ance ne(rotica%%& a..ear (often
)efensi+e%& an)/or se%f righteo(s%&#.
-f 'e are a..a%%e) or at %east )o not )esire the a*o+e
%ist of se0(a% 4.ro*%ems4 (an) there are more .ro*%ems than
that 'hich are reinforce) thro(gh negati+e se0(a%/
negati+e *o)& con)itioning# then 'h& not )isc(ss it (in
or)er to fin) the c(re#D Yes, origina% sin )oes not offer a
c(re. >erha.s this is the .ro*%em. Does 5(st s(ggesting
that a%% the a*o+e e+i%s ma& +anish if 'e fo(n) the
c(re, contra)ict the i)eo%og& of origina% sin an) hence
for re%igio(s reasons .eo.%e can not a%%o' themse%+es
to go f(rtherD
So (s(a%%& after com.%aining, e0.ressing their a*horrence,
anger, or grief after hearing a*o(t s(ch e+ents, the 4norma%4
e)(cate) citi/en (s(a%%& %ea+es it at that an)
)efensi+e/agressi+%& *ecomes .rime) to agree 'ith an&one
'ho s(ggests that more %a's, more restrictions, more
.(nishment, more .risons, more .o%ice, )eath .ena%ties, etc (a%%
e%ements of re.ression, a .o%ice state, an) signs of
tota%itarianism. -n)ee) it is 'e%% kno'n that
tota%itarian an) other a(thoritarian s&stems 'orks *est
'hen .eo.%e are o(t of their *o)& an) .o'er an)
es.ecia%%& 'hen the& are se0(a%%& re.resse) (as .er Beich#.
Yo( kno' after the Co%(m*ine 8igh Schoo% trage)&, e+er&
one e0.resse) their shock an) a*horrence. The& a%% aske)
the same 2(estion 48o' co(%) ha+e ha..ene)4D 1(t - kne' right
a'a& that no one 'as rea%%& intereste) in ho' or 'h&. -t
'as on%& a knee 5erk reaction. - kne' that a%% the& 'o(%)
)o e+ent(a%%& 'as s(ggest more .o%ice, tighter
restrictions, more re.ression, more .ena%ties, an) that 'as
e0act%& 'hat the& )i).
No' these ki)s 'ho )i) this terri*%e thing, )i)nCt care
a*o(t .ena%ties -- the& 'ere *ent on ki%%ing themse%+es
an&'a&. th(s threatening them 'ith .(nishment 'as
irre%e+ant. 3hat 3!S the rea% .ro*%em 'as o*+io(s i.e., the&
ha) *ecome more than insensiti+e to'ar) honoring %ife,
a%ienate), 4e0tracte)4 from %ife, c&nica%, an) nihi%istic.
>recise%& *eca(se the& no %onger honore) %ife 'ithin
themse%+es (the& ha) %ost to(ch#, the& ha) %ost an& meaning
in %ife an) ha) no f(rther 4reason4 to %i+e (other than to
take those 'ho contra)icte) them 'ith them to the gra+e#.
No' t'o more things a*o(t the re%e+anc& of this an)
h(man se0(a% acti+it& ('hich is the threa)#. No it 'as the
a)(%ts 'ho 'ere in 4)is*e%ief4, *(t the inter+ie's 'ith the
st()ents 'ere m(ch more re+ea%ing, man& of them to%) a
stor& 'here the& too often fe%t se%f hate, s(ici)a%,
)es.arate, he%.%ess, an) often e0treme hatre) of others.
1eca(se - ha+e a c%ose frien) 'ho 'orks as a schoo%
.s&cho%ogist he to%) me of .%ans that 'ere im.%emente)
to reach o(t to these .otentia% 4tro(*%esome4 s&m.toms (
s&m.toms of 'hat 'ere ne+er *ro(ght forth *& the me)ia#
1,$EB, s(ch a trage)& occ(rre) (&o( kno' the& are on the
rise#. This 'as .roacti+e rightD
3e%% it t(rne) o(t that he 'as taske) to get the
confi)ence of the ki)s to te%% him their fee%ings, an)
then 'hat ha..ene), he 'as to%) that he ha) to te%% the
a)ministration (an) then the .o%ice# of an& .ossi*%e
tro(*%e makers. 3e%% the .o%ice starte) going to these
ki)s homes searching for 'ea.ons, internet recor)s,
e0.%osi+es, an) e+en 4se)itio(s4 %iterat(re an) *ooks. These
ki)s got into a %ot of tro(*%e, so &o( can imagine that
the 'or) got o(t fast not to ta%k a*o(t their rea%
fee%ings 'ith a)(%ts.
3here )oes o(r *(ng%ing an) )&sf(nction come from in
o(r )ea%ings 'ith o(r ki)sD To me - see it as an e0am.%e
of the same .attern of )enia%, re.ression, an) .(nishment
that these a)(%ts recei+e) 'hi%e the& 'ere chi%)ren are
*eing re.eate) an) that these (Samskaras# 'i%% not cease
(nti% the& are confronte). !n& tho(ghts on thisD
-n other 'or)s, these ki)s ha+ing %ost to(ch 'ith %ife,
ha+ing *o(ght into )es.air, ha+ing %ost tr(st in their
.arentCs 'a& of %ife, the a)(%t 'or%), .resi)ent C%inton,
ch(rches, an) other ro%e mo)e%s -- ha+ing *o(ght in to a
certain amo(nt of c&nicsim at an ear%& age on one han) (
thro(gh e0terna% reinforcement# an) on the other han)
a%so not ha+ing an& +a%i)ation of their inner 'or%),
instincts, or +ision (rather ha+ing that re.resse) as 'e%%
ha) nothing (*(t gross materia%ism an) h&.ocris&# to gra*
onto -- an) no 9-$, !$$-B"-NF reason to %i+e. This sho(%) *e
o*+io(s (the& ki%%e) themse%+es as 'e%%# *& their actions
an) from inter+ie's 'ith frien)s, *(t )oes not this fact
contra)ict the mi))%e c%ass faith of materia%ism i.e., 'hat
'as 'rong 'ith these ki)s (s(ch )enia% )ecries# the& co(%)
ha+e *ecome %a'&ers, acco(ntants, o'ne) a ho(se in the
s(*(r*s, or at %east co(%) ha+e 5oine) the arm&G !re some
of these ans'ers not *eing ans'ere) *eca(se it ma&
.oint o(t 'hat is 'rong 'ith o(rse%+es or the societ&D
No' 'e 'onCt go into the .o%itics (5(st the .s&cho%og&#
other than to sa& that in m& o.inion more force, +io%ence,
.(nishment an) re.ression on%& reinforces in the %ong
r(n a *e%ief that +io%ence an) force 'orks. - think that
is mistaken i.e., that %o+e 'orks an) there is a 'i)e
)ifference.
To s(m (., a so%(tion ('itho(t the societ& changing enmasse#
'o(%) *e to reinforce the chi%)renCs inner connections
'ith %ife, eco%og&, %ife .ositi+e +a%(es, honoring %ife
'ithin, a'areness of the .rana, a(thentic &oga .ractice, chi
gong, me)itation, asanas, etc. DoesnCt this seem %ogica% to
othersD -n)ee) some schoo%s offer a %itt%e of this (*(t
there are o*5ections *& the f(n)amenta%ists that &oga
for instance is ,astern re%igion an) th(s canCt *e
a%%o'e) in .(*%ic schoo%s. !%so man& ki)s 5(st arenCt at
a stage &et 'here the& are intereste) in &oga (3i%% *eing
an e0ce.tion#. Tarate an) F(ng $( ho'e+er ha+e *een a gate
for man& of them 'ho %ater 'ent into the hea%ing arts,
Chi Fong, an) me)itation.
Since tantra is too hot a s(*5ect for those 'ho are
(n)er 1I (in this co(ntr& it is i%%ega%#, - s(ggest that tantra
is a .o'erf(% a..roach to he%. (s re-connect 'ith the
)iso'ne) .arts of the *o)&/min) 'hich has *ecome s(ffere)
from the ons%a(ght of *o)& negati+e/nat(re negati+e
.rogramming (coming from a)(%ts 'ho themse%+es ha+e
*ecome so )is-associate)#.
$or me - co(%)nCt entertain s.irit(a%it& an) se0(a%it&
as an integrate) s.irit(a% .ractice (in the form of
tantra &oga# (nti% m& ear%& thirties, *(t it has *een a
.o'erf(% )e.rogramming too% for me. - ha+e seen simi%ar
testimonies.
Can a..roaching se0(a%it& conscio(s%& ha+e its .itfa%%sD
Certain%&, *(t to mistr(st an&one 'ho a)+ocates or
teaches it as a a*(ser is rather .aranoi) (most of the
teachers here are 'omen#. !%*eit some are sim.%& g%orif&ing
se0, *(t others are sincere. ,s.ecia%%& those 'ho ha+e
.ractise) asana, .rana&ama, an) me)itation ha+e a fee%ing
for the energ& an) a..roach the .rocess %ess
mechanica%%& *(t more of a metho) of %istening an)
me)itation to get to the so(rce of the .ro-creati+e
energ& -- the so(rce of Creation -- to acti+ate the
e+o%(tionar& energ& m(ch %ike 'e .ractice .rana&ama
'ith the *reath to get to the So(rce *ehin) it (hence
*reathing e0ercises go a%ong 'ith tantric .ractices
nice%&#.
So to en) 'hat ma& *e a .otentia%%& )ist(r*ing .ost (o+er
sim.%istic as it is#, a 2(ote from the Freat ,c%ectic
.erio) of Tantra
4- *ecame (nite) 'ith the mi))%e (saha5 'a&#
3here the th(n)er*o%t an) %ot(s f%o'er met.
8ere their (nion (of a.ana an) .rana# at the na+e% cakra
has t(rne) or)inar& .assion into the Can)a%i (T(n)a%ini#
fire.
The *o)& of the Dom*i gir% (.(rifie) a+a)h(ti# *(rns as the
.assion of great *%iss. Taking the .ath of the moon (
1o)hicitta#, - s.rink%e 'ater on that fire so that neither
scorching f%ame nor smoke is seen6 *(t reaching the .eak
of "t. "er((the s(sh(mna#, the f%ame *%iss enters the sk& (the
chakra of Freat 1%iss#. Ertho)o0 re%igio(s .ractices an)
the )ominion of )octrine an) inte%%ect has *een
entire%& me%te) )o'n. Dhama sa&s c%ear%& C8a+ing
(n)erstoo) sim(%taneo(s%& arisen *%iss thro(gh the fi+e
channe%s, 'ater rose (. (1o)hicitta# from the %ot(s of great
*%iss to the 5e'e%e) .innac%eC.4
from the fort& se+enth .oem of the Car&a.a)as of theI@
Si))hachar&as attri*(te) to Dhama.a from the Freat
,c%ectic >erio) ("e)ie+a% -n)ia#
KI of 22; Yoga Conference.32.KI
So "(ch Freat 3is)om Foing Do'n, m& hea) h(rts... (s(/ co&ote, 9/1/99 9133K >"#
4-n+isi*%e Fir%4 checking inWW "ar& Da%& *e%ie+es that one
s&m.tom of the co+ert misog&nist is his ref(sa% to
ackno'%e)ge the contri*(tions of a 'oman. -n this 'a&
she is ren)ere) in+isi*%e. So, these )a&s, 'hen - see it,
Donn&, it - ca%% it. Ne+er tho(ght -C) *e sh(nne) for
sincere%& s.eaking m& tr(th in the for(m - he%.e)
create. - g(ess )etache) inte%%ect(a%ism is the +og(e
these )a&s.
! .erson co(%) get irritate).
4So (s(a%%& after com.%aining, e0.ressing their a*horrence,
anger, or grief after hearing a*o(t s(ch e+ents, the 4norma%4
e)(cate) citi/en (s(a%%& %ea+es it at that an)
)efensi+e/agressi+%& *ecomes .rime) to agree 'ith an&one
'ho s(ggests that more %a's, more restrictions, more
.(nishment, more .risons, more .o%ice, )eath .ena%ties, etc (a%%
e%ements of re.ression, a .o%ice state, an) signs of
tota%itarianism.4
No nee) to ta%k )o'n to me, Donn& (ostensi*%& thro(gh a
thir) .art&#.
- ma& or ma& not *e 4norma%.4 $e' ha+e %a*e%e) me that 'a&. -
!" e)(cate), *(t thatCs a )o(*%e)-e)ge) s'or) *eca(se
higher e)(cation in o(r c(%t(re is genera%%& re)(ce) to
memori/ation of a%% the 'on)erf(% things that D3,"s (Dea)
3hite ,(ro.ean "a%es# ha+e accom.%ishe), 'ith an em.hasis
on scientific materia%ism, coinci)enta% 'ith the
ren)ering of othersC contri*(tions n(%% an) +oi) (see
a*o+e#.
- see - am once again hoiste) on the horns of a fa(%t&
)i%emma. -f - )o not agree 'ith those 'ho *e%ie+e there
sho(%) *e no societa% contro%s on se0(a%%& e0.%icit
materia%s, - am %a*e%e) 4.assi+e/aggressi+e4 (for .it& sake# an) an
a)+ocate of 'hat 'as itD Eh, &eah, a .o%ice state, *o)&
negati+it&, massi+e re.ression, tota%itarianism an) the
)eath .ena%t&. Yo( sa& it so s(ccinct%&, 4se0(a% negati+e
a(thoritarian )ogma on one han) an) free)om, se%f
em.o'erment, an) %ife affirmation on the other.4 3e%%, there
&o( ha+e it in sim.%e *%ack an) 'hite - none of those
.esk& sha)es of gra&.
>ornogra.h& is a +er& shar. too%. - am not a
$(n)amenta%ist (m& Christian frien)s 'o(%) ho'% at that
one# *eca(se - a)+ocate kee.ing shar. too%s in the han)s
of a)(%ts an) o(t of the han)s of chi%)ren . -n fact, - am
not an& kin) of re%igionist - - )onCt hi)e *ehin) of the
.s&cho-s.irit(a% *a**%e of the 1i*%e, the Toran, or e+en (
here comes the heres&# the <e)as. :nfort(nate%&, most in the
'or%) arenCt as en%ightene) as 'e a%% are on this 'e* L
rightM. 3hen the g(& from )o'n the street sho's m& son or
)a(ghter har)core .ornogra.h& that can ca(se %ong term
)amage to their se0(a% hea%th - 'ant him sto..e). ,n) of
stor&. "other *ear .rotecting the &o(ng.
>eo.%e (not 5(st me# are getting tire) of o(r societ&Cs
en)%ess an) )isa..ointing e0.eriment in )e*a(cher&.
>eo.%e arenCt *ecoming se0(a%%& free, the& are ac2(iring
.er+ersions an) *ecoming )&sf(nctiona% at the s.ee) of
%ight (the T< %ight#. Chi%) se0(a% a*(se is increasing, ra.e
is increasing, an) the sco.e (*(t not the n(m*ers# of
+io%ence is increasing. Chi%)ren arenCt getting in to(ch
'ith their s.irits, the&Cre *eing .ress(re) into se0 'hen
the& are sti%% chi%)ren. The& are %earning their *o)ies
are for sa%e an) for se%%ing an) that their on%& +a%(e
is in 'ho the& can scre'.
3here )o &o( think se0(a% )&sf(nction comes from, ho' it
gro's, 'hat it fee)s (.onD Be%igio(s%&-in)(ce) g(i%t is
one 'a& to *ecome )amage). There are man& other 'a&s
that can *e far more )e+estating an) )iffic(%t to root
o(t. - came of age in the *e%%& of the *east - in a
se0(a%%& )&sf(nctiona% fami%&, 'ith an a%coho%ic, a*(si+e
ste.father, in the mi)'est in the C=0s. !n), from the
.ers.ecti+e of kee.ing a hea%th& se0(a% .ers.ecti+e, -C+e
got a h(ge a)+antage o+er m& ki)s - - ha) a c%ear sense
of right an) 'rong. - kne' 'hat 'as *eing )one to me 'as
'rong. The messages m& ki)s are getting - that
irres.onsi*%e an) a*(si+e se0 is goo) - are e+er&'here,
'ith on%& the %one +oice of imme)iate fami%& as a
co(nter. !n), too *a) if a sma%% +oice insi)e a ki) is
cr&ing, 41(t itCs h(rting me.4 3hat )o the& hear instea)D 41(ck
(. ki), itCs tota% free)om time. 3hat are &o(, some kin)a
.assi+e/aggressi+e, an a)+ocate of the .o%ice stateD Sorr&, no
2(arter for &o( '(ssies.4

- see a%% sorts of name )roo.ing ($re(), Beich, Te%eman,
>ierakos, Frof - a%% men, (n%ess &o( 'ere referring to ,+a,
not 7ohn >ierakos - )efining 'omen an) their se0(a%it&#. -Cm
(. on a%% the c(rrent *o)& thera.& theories. 3e ha+e
here a%% sorts of references to o*sc(re <e)ic te0ts an)
8in)( .hi%oso.hies on the to.ic, *(t no a)mission that
the 8in)( c(%t(re can *e incre)i*%& 'oman-re.ressi+e
nor that the <e)ic .hi%oso.hies in no 'a& a)+ocate
se0(a% %icense or the free f%o' of .ornogra.h&,. [(ite the
contrar&, the -n)ian c(%t(re ten)s to'ar)s se0(a%
conser+atism. (Yes, &es, - kno' a%% a*o(t the %eft-han), *(t
that is a c(%t e+en *& the a)mission of its a)herents,
an) +er& contro+ersia% in .%aces 'here 8in)(ism is
faithf(%%& .ractice).# - ha+e hear) +er& %itt%e B,!9
)isc(ssion a*o(t se0(a% iss(es - *(t .%ent& of
high-min)e) con)emnation for .resenting the non->C
.ers.ecti+e.
1(t, oh, e0c(se me. - forgot that a )isc(ssion on
.ornogra.h& )oesnCt *e%ong on a to.ic a*o(t Tantra an)
8(man Se0(a%it&.
Donn& 'rites
4- notice) in men that .rett& 'omen often remin)e) them
of this )isassociation (their re.resse) se0(a% fee%ings
that the& 'ere tr&ing to re.ress an) )iso'n# an) in these
.eo.%e in .artic(%ar there 'as more of a ten)enc& to
shoot the messenger rather than to come to terms that
the& ha) insi)e themse%+es some (nreso%+e) fee%ings.4
Sti%% shooting messengersD

!re &o( a .arent, Donn&D -Cm a mi))%e schoo% mom.
:n)erstan)ing the Co%(m*ine massacre is more than an
aca)emic in)(%gence for me. - ha+e ki)s that ma& not
come home at the en) of their )a&, regar)%ess of 'hether
or not 'eC+e )isc(sse) se0 that 'eek, or 'hether or not
the& fee% goo) a*o(t themse%+es or their *())ing
se0(a%it&, or 'hether or not the&C+e )one &oga )(ring the
)a&. (Yoga is a s.irit(a% .ractice *ase) )ee.%& in the
8in)( re%igio(s tra)ition - Yoga )oesnCt *e%ong in schoo%,
it *e%ongs at home, 5(st as - 'o(%) e0.ect Christian
)octrine to sta& at home.# Co%(m*ine 'asnCt a*o(t se0(a%
re.ression, .o%ice state acti+it&, censorshi. or ki)s not
*eing in to(ch 'ith their se0(a%it&. Tansas 'as rife
'ith re.ression 'hen - 'as a ki) ('e )i)nCt e+en kno' it
'as re.ression#, tho(gh mass shootings at mi))%es schoo%
'as not o(r genera% a..roach to re%ief.
Co%(m*ine 'as a*o(t a corr(.t an) )eca&e) schoo% s&stem-
a .%ace 'here ki)s are re2(ire) to go e+er& )a&,
regar)%ess of the miser& the& s(ffer at the han)s of
cr(e% .eers an) teachers 'ho sometimes 5oin in the
a*(se. -t 'as a*o(t se%fish a)(%ts 'ho care) on%& for
their o'n free)oms an) concerns - a 4fen) for &o(rse%f4
menta%it&. Co%(m*ine 'as a*o(t t'o o(tcast *o&s sitting
)a& after )a& in a c%assroom, at )esks that )i)nCt fit (
ta%k a*o(t not honoring the *o)&# tr&ing to )ea% 'ith
hormona% (.hea+a%. "ean'hi%e, one teacher or another, 'ho
ma& not ha+e e+en (n)erstoo) the materia% she is
teaching, )rone) on an) on (*(t she 'as 4certifie)4 - *et#.
Co%(m*ine 'as a*o(t t'o *o&s )ea%ing 'ith (nre%enting
+er*a% a*(se *et'een c%asses an) an a)ministration that
ignore) the sit(ation. -t 'as a*o(t &o(ng, hea%th& *o&s
)oing min)-n(m*ing an) meaning%ess home'ork e+er& night
an) on the 'eeken)s.
3e%%, gee, )i)nCt 'e ha+e cr(mm& schoo%s an) i)iotic
teachers 'a& *ack 'henD Sometimes. 3hat 'e )i)nCt ha+e
'as the incre)i*%e %oa) ki)s to)a& carr&, co(.%e) 'ith 4
re%a0ation an) entertainment4 consisting of gra.hic
te%e+ision )e.ictions of the 'orst sorts of +io%ence,
(n%o+ing se0, an) the constant (se of *o)ies for commerce.
3hat 'e )i)nCt ha+e 'as a s&stem that seems )esigne) to
ki%% the s.irits of o(r chi%)ren to make them into
(sef(% cor.orate assess (rea) *rain-)ea), com.%iant an)
'i%%ing to *e%ie+e 2N2 R =#.
Coca Co%a str(ck a )ea% 'ith m& ki)Cs schoo% )istrict
%ast &ear. Coke is he%.ing f(n) the schoo% in ret(rn for
e0c%(si+e rights to the schoo% for their .ro)(ct. "&
ki)s are not e+en a%%o'e) to *ring in >e.si .ro)(cts, for
e0am.%e, on their o'n. The& (se Coca Co%a *ook co+ers an)
there are Coca Co%a *anners a%% o+er the schoo%. 3h& )i)
the schoo% *oar) acce.t thisD 1eca(se o(r societ& 'onCt
.ro+i)e s(fficient f(n)s to e)(cate or ki)s an) o(r
go+ernment 'onCt interfere 'ith the nationa% teacherCs
associationCs mono%o.o%& 'asting the f(n)s the& )o ha+e.
!n) 'h& is thisD 1eca(se 'e ha+e this *e%ief str(ct(re
going on that sa&s 4-f - .(t on *%in)ers an) .reten) that
'hat - )o )oesnCt affect an&one, - can ha+e .erfect
free)om. Scre' the ki)s, %et them take care of themse%+es.4
3e%%, gee S(O, 'h& )onCt &o( tr& to change thingsD Some)a&
'hen - ha+e >"S, -C%% get into it. 9etCs 5(st sa& the
s&stem is not c(rrent%& amena*%e to change.
- 'o(%) note that *oth the Ferman Na/is an) the Chinese
c(%t(ra% re+o%(tionists 'ere f(e%e) *& &o(ng .eo.%e (
teenagers# 'ho *ecame fe) (. at their chi%)-a*(sing, chi%)
ignoring, c(%t(res. 1oth gro(.s, *& the 'a&, en)e) (. *eing
far more se0(a%%& re.ressi+e an) socia%%& conser+ati+e
than .re+io(s go+ernments.
3hat m& mother )i)nCt ha+e in her )a& 'as the 4So.hieCs
Choice4 of gi+ing her son a min)-a%tering )r(g to he%.
him conform to the on%& %earning st&%e a+ai%a*%e in
.(*%ic (an) most .ri+ate# schoo%s or sim.%& %et him fai%. -
fina%%& chose o.tion 1. "& sister chose not to gi+e her
son )r(gs. 8e )ro..e) o(t of high schoo% (9th gra)e# an) no', at19,
canCt e+en ho%) onto a 5o* at "acDona%)s, *eca(se his
sense of se%f is so cr(she). 8e is ha+ing %ots of se0,
tho(gh6 he seems to *e 2(ite se0(a%%& free, as a matter of
fact. 8e kno's ho' his *o)& 'orks an) a%% a*o(t ho' to
a+oi) !-DS, *(t 'eCre a%% sti%% afrai) heCs going to get
it. 8e %earne) most of 'hat he kno's a*o(t 'omen from
.orn sites on the 'e*, so his re%ationshi.s arenCt
.artic(%ar%& satisf&ing.
3e a%% ha+e )iffic(%t& 'ith se0. Se0(a% re.ression has
*een going on e+er since h(mankin) notice) ho'
+(%nera*%e 'omen 'ere 'hen the& 'ere .regnant or caring
for &o(ng chi%)ren. $or ci+i%i/ation to *e rea%i/e), "en
ha) to *e .resse) into ser+ice to he%. an) 'omen ha) to
*e )omesticate). Tho(gh men )o *on) 'ith 'omen an)
chi%)ren 'hen the en+ironment is right, the& arenCt
nat(ra%%& monogamo(s. Se0(a% mores 'ere )e+e%o.e) to
get men enro%%e) in the s&stem an) kee. them there, *&
gi+ing them each their o'n 'oman (or 'omen# an) chi%)ren, an)
tr&ing to get them to kee. their han)s of the 'omen 'ho
*e%ong to others. This is rea%%& +er& sim.%e an) has
*een note) *& e+er& anthro.o%ogica% o*ser+er 'ho has
care) to %ook. This isnCt a*o(t 4sin.4 -tCs a*o(t ho' 'e are
*(i%t.
4Tho( sha%t not commit co+et &o(r neigh*orCs 'ife4 'as the
means *& 'hich f%e)g%ing c(%t(res, 'itho(t access to
*irth contro% techno%og&, ke.t a %i) on things 'ithin the
tri*e. Bare%& 'ere there e+er an& in5(nctions a*o(t
co+eting the 'omen of oneCs enemies - that 'as 'hat ra.e
'as for. Ten 3i%*er .ointe) o(t that se0 an) +io%ence
ha+e a%'a&s *een %inke). That is 'h& there is a%'a&s
ra.e in 'ar. Se0 is an emotiona% e+ent an) 5ea%o(s& can
*e )ea)%&. -n h(nter/gatherer c(%t(res, 'here se0(a%
restrictions are o*ser+e) %ess there is a +er& high
rate of homici)e.
3ho 'o(%) ha+e tho(ght - them *eing so 4nat(ra%4 an) a%%W.. m(st
ha+e *een a case of not getting the )harma right.
S(O
Donn& Simon (Shakti Das, 9/2/99 2=00= !"#
S(/
Yo( misrea) m& .ost entire%&. - sai) that these trage)ies
'ere the res(%t of .eo.%e *eing o(t of to(ch 'ith %ife
an) not honoring the %ife force. - mentione) that &oga
'as one 'a& (chi Fong another, tantra a thir), me)itation, etc#
to get *ack in to(ch 'ith it. - )i) not s(ggest that
these 'ere e0c%(si+e or the on%& 'a&s. Se0 is on%& one
.o'erf(% 'a& 'here man& in a)o%escence get t(rne) off
an) a%ienate) from the *o)& an) %ife. !)o%escent .ro*%ems
canCt *e s(ccessf(%%& )isassociate 'ith this hormona%
change.
- ne+er s(ggeste) that it 'as the on%& 'a&. To ignore the
g(i%t an) ne(roses in+o%+e) as factors in this
a%ienation is &o(r right (&o( )onCt ha+e to agree 'ith me#
an) - )onCt re2(ire that of &o(. No' here - am not
ca%%ing &o( .ersona%%& g(i%t& or ne(rotic. Yo( see the
)ifferenceD
8o'e+er - )o 'ish that &o( take the time to rea) 'hat -
sai) *efore &o( get so 4hot an) hea+&4 ('he'# 'ith me. - 'o(%)
%ike an e)(cate), .o%ite, an) non-emotiona% )isc(ssion
a*o(t h(man se0(a%it& an) tantra. Bea%%& - )onCt care
'hat metho)s that are (se) to he%. ki)s or a)(%ts to
connect *ack (. 'ith the %ife force an) their *o)ies
an) achie+e reintegration, 'hate+er 'orks is fine for me,
*(t 'itho(t honoring %ife, 'e get these .ro*%ems. No i )o
not o'n stock in tantra.
No' - 'as ass(ming that &o( act(a%%& care a*o(t so%+ing
these .ro*%ems, an) that re2(ires first rea)ing 'hat
these .osts act(a%%& sa& (not rea)ing in a%% sorts of
things# an) then sta&ing foc(se) on 'hat &o(/'e are rea%%&
tr&ing to accom.%ish. Fi+en &o(r res.onse - o*ser+e that
&o( seem to ha+e some charge here a*o(t )isc(ssing this
s(*5ect 'ith an o.en min) ('itho(t taking the higher
gro(n)#.
$or instance, if 'hat &o( sa& is tr(e i.e., that &oga is the
.ractice of the 8in)( re%igion then are &o( 8in)(D -s
this &oga conference for those intereste) in 8in)(ismD
-Cm not 8in)(, th(s )o - 2(a%if& as a &oga teacherD
3hen &o( characteri/e tantra teachers as6 4Seems %ike 5(st
another +ersion of 4teen .(ss&4 if &o( ask meW.4 - sa& that it
is &o(r right to e0.ress &o(r harsh 5()gement on tantra
if &o( care, *(t - sa& that &o( are )oing it o(t of
ignorance an) .re5()ice. -t is not correct to e0tra.o%ate
that *eca(se there ma& *e a *a) a..%e in the *(nch, that
)oes not make the 'ho%e *(nch so(r.
4No nee) to ta%k )o'n to me, Donn& (ostensi*%& thro(gh a
thir) .art&#. 4 !gain S(/, - )onCt kno' 'hat &o( mean here. 3hat
thir) .art&D 3hatCs going on hereD
Yo( sa& 4Ne+er tho(ght -C) *e sh(nne) for sincere%&
s.eaking m& tr(th in the for(m - he%.e)
create.4 - rea%%& )onCt kno' 'hat &o( mean here. Can &o( *e
more s.ecific. 8o' ha+e &o( *een sh(nne) an) *& 'homD
3e%% no' that - ha+e rea) &o(r .ost o+er - see that &o(
interna%i/e) e+er&thing that - 'as sa&ing .ersona%%&.
!ct(a%%& - ha+e *een sa&ing these 'eir) things for
&ears (it has nothing to )o 'ith &o(# an) tes - am a rea%
fan of BeichCs, *(t 'onCt get into )etai%s a*o(t that. Not
)ro..ing names, *(t these neo-Bechian .eo.%e rea%%& ha+e
)one tremen)o(s 'ork in this fie%) an) a%% *eca(se the
oneCs that - mentione) 'ere ma%e, it )oesnCt
a(tomatica%%& make them or me se0ist.
1(t this )oes sho' that &o( )onCt tr(st or res.ect me
m(ch (or m& intent#, )oesnCt itD Yo( *etchaG Sorr&, tho(gh misog&n&
is not m& st&%e (- am ha..i%& marrie)#. Too *a) the internet
)oesnCt a%%o' e&e contact.
4- am some'hat )istr(stf(% of tantra4, &es this sho's.
-C+e *een in e%ectronic conferencing for 1I &ears an) kno'
some of its .itfa%%s, can &o( re-rea) m& .ost o+er again
in a )ifferent 'a&D Ence )istr(st is there, it is +er&
)iffic(%t for the other .erson to sa& an&thing that can
*e tr(ste), is it notD. D(nno 'hat - co(%) gain *& a%ienating
&o( an) ins(%ting &o(, *(t then again ma&*e - am another
.assi+e/agressi+e m&sog&nist as &o( im.%ie)D That 'o(%)
e0.%ain a %ot 'o(%)nCt itD
8ere - agree 'ith &o( com.%ete%& 'hen &o( sa&, 4>eo.%e (not
5(st me# are getting tire) of o(r societ&Cs en)%ess an)
)isa..ointing e0.eriment in )e*a(cher&. >eo.%e arenCt
*ecoming se0(a%%& free, the& are ac2(iring .er+ersions
an) *ecoming )&sf(nctiona% at the s.ee) of %ight (the T<
%ight#. Chi%) se0(a% a*(se is increasing, ra.e is increasing,
an) the sco.e (*(t not the n(m*ers# of +io%ence is
increasing. Chi%)ren arenCt getting in to(ch 'ith their
s.irits, the&Cre *eing .ress(re) into se0 'hen the& are
sti%% chi%)ren. The& are %earning their *o)ies are for
sa%e an) for se%%ing an) that their on%& +a%(e is in
'ho the& can scre'.
43here )o &o( think se0(a% )&sf(nction comes from, ho' it
gro's, 'hat it fee)s (.onD Be%igio(s%&-in)(ce) g(i%t is
one 'a& to *ecome )amage). There are man& other 'a&s
that can *e far more )e+estating an) )iffic(%t to root
o(t. - came of age in the *e%%& of the *east - in a
se0(a%%& )&sf(nctiona% fami%&, 'ith an a%coho%ic, a*(si+e
ste.father, in the mi)'est in the C=0s.4
So a%% the more reason to so%+e the .ro*%em *& getting
to the root. >(tting the finger in the %eaking )&ke isnCt
'orking, 5(st %ike .rohi*ition in the t'enties 5(st
he%.e) the mafia an) the .o%ice *oth make more mone&. Yes,
.e)o.hi%es, se0 crimina%s, 4.er+erts, etc -- 'h& )o the& )o it, ho'
are the& ma)eD Not too man& .eo.%e ask, *eca(se the&
themse%+es are not ca.a*%e of thinking straight on
these 4)ist(r*ing4 s(*5ects.
8e&, )onCt .aint me as a se0 fien) 5(st *eca(se - 'ant to
sto. the +io%ence an) )onCt %(m. me into the free se0 4
.(ss&4 game. This is another rea) in. - ne+er once in an& of
m& .osts a)+ocate) free se0 ( a tota% rea) in#, 3h&D
Yo( contin(e on in a )efensi+e/aggressi+e manner a*o(t
monogam& an) free se0, *(t - )onCt ha+e an& reco%%ection
of referring to these to.ics .re+io(s%&. So 'hatCs going
on here.
9ook S(/, if - )i)nCt sa& this *efore, - am sa&ing this no'6
&o( ha+e a great s.irit an) &o( are inte%%igent, *(t &o(
get carrie) a'a& some times. - 'ish that &o( co(%) .(t
that great energ& that &o( ha+e to'ar) some rea%
.ro*%em so%+ing here (no &o( )onCt ha+e to agree 'ith me#
*(t m& o*ser+ation is that the tone of &o(r .ost 'as
not in this )irection. >%ease correct me if - am 'rong.
No' if &o( 5(st nee)e) to +ent (in the o(tsi)e chance
that - 'as ca%%ing &o( names#, then - can acce.t that once
in a'hi%e, *(t -C) rather (se m& free time in
constr(cti+e )ia%og(e (not .ersona% attacks# an) a%tho(gh -
.ractice man& forms of &oga (as 'e%% as Chi Fong# - fee%
that tantra &oga can *e )isc(sse) 'itho(t 'asting o(r
energies *& getting emotiona%%& (.set or angr&. -f this
is not &o(r agen)a (an) &o( are the hostess# then te%% me
to scram (not the first time this has ha..ene)#.
!gain - enco(rage &o( to re-rea) m& .re+io(s .osts as
the& 'ere 'or)e) (as 'e%% as im.%icit& inten)e)# an) if &o(
sti%% fee% the 'a& that &o( )o, then -Cm gone. Sorr& to
ha+e ri%e) &o( (. soG
%ast%&, &o( sai), 4Ten 3i%*er .ointe) o(t that se0 an)
+io%ence ha+e a%'a&s *een %inke).4 No this is on%& tr(e in
certain men, not a%%. Yo( are right that in .resent )a&
-n)ia, 'omen are not at a%% treate) 'e%%, *(t the age of
tantra in -n)ia has %ong )isa..eare) (1000 &ears ago# an) the
common -n)ian has no .ractice of Tantra nor &oga.
3e canCt a)e2(ate%& 5()ge ancient Freece, *& .resent )a&
Freece, Bome, ,g&.t, etc. The& are entire%& )ifferent c(%t(res
to)a&. So the same is tr(e 'ith -n)ia. Does c%assica%
tantra ha+e a%% the ans'ersD No - )o not s(ggest that an&
one s&stem of &oga has a%% the ans'ers.
!gain - agree that there are man& factors in+o%+e), *(t
it remains in m& e0.erience an) o*ser+ation a )irect
connection *et'een the 5(nk foo), the a*(se, the
)isconnection, the se%f a*(se, se0(a% a*(se, an) +io%ence (as
Ten 3i%*er .oints o(t#, so it seems %ogica% that 'e can
%earn 'hat forms )o not create this negati+e
association i.e., 'hat factors contri*(te to non-+io%ence an)
honoring a%% %ife (ahimsa# in this regar). - )onCt *e%ie+e
that gi+en the choice (an) a'areness# that an& man or 'oman
'o(%) 'i%%ing%& chose the +io%ent .ath, *(t 'hen man is
%ost in com.(%sion, fear, .ain, an) conf(sion, their actions
ref%ect their conscio(sness. 3aking (. is th(s the ans'er
in genera%, *(t first 'e m(st 'ake (. to the fact that 'e
are as%ee..
-n this societ& s(ch 2(estions ha+e *een re%egate) to
the .o%ice, 5ai%s, an) 5()ges ('ho ha+e no c%(e or training#
more than to the .s&cho%ogists, crimino%ogists, or
socio%ogists ()emoni/e) as %ate *& the f(n)ies#. That
frame'ork has some things to offer, *(t - fin) that
gen(ine (non-re%igio(s# tantric a..roaches ha+e more to
offer in this regar) if an&one e%se is intereste) in
e0.%oring this (no this is not a so%icitation for se0# in
the conte0t of the for(m, i.e., 'hat 'orke) for &o(, 'hat )oesnCt,
etcD -f -Cm o(t of %ine here, %et me kno'G
;0 of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;0
(Shakti Das, 9/2/99 31K@3 !"#
S(/,
- re-rea) &o(r %ast .ost a fe' times, an) came to see
more of its +a%(e of e0.ression. $orgi+e me for not
a..reciating its meritCs more. Ene conf(sion ma& ha+e
*een (an) - sho(%) ha+e ca(ght this ear%ier# 'hen &o( sai)6
4Ne+er tho(ght -C) *e sh(nne) for sincere%& s.eaking m&
tr(th in the for(m - he%.e) create. - g(ess )etache)
inte%%ect(a%ism is the +og(e these )a&s. ! .erson co(%)
get irritate).4
an)
41(t, oh, e0c(se me. - forgot that a )isc(ssion on .ornogra.h&
)oesnCt *e%ong on a to.ic a*o(t Tantra an) 8(man
Se0(a%it&.4
- o*ser+e) that the con+ersation 'as going +er& off
to.ic an) going no'here *eca(se of that. This is
something that occ(rs often on this conference (-"E#
an) - tho(ght that - 'as attem.ting to foc(s it to the
threa) 'hen - s(ggeste) that if 'e c(t o(t the
mora%i/ing or the attem.t to so%+e things thro(gh
manma)e stan)ar)s or mora%i/ing, 'e ma& *e a*%e to foc(s
on the to.ic *etter. - sai)
4S(ch 2(estions of e0terna% manma)e stan)ar)s *e%ong in a
conference )e)icate) to mora% an) ethica% *eha+ior,
certain%& not in this to.ic (tantra an) Se0(a%it&#4
Notice - )i) not 4s(ggest4 that .ornogra.h& 'as off to.ic. -t
'as not an attem.t to si%ence or censor &o(. So no' 'hen
- rea) &o(r .ost in this ne' %ight i can see that &o(
'ere sharing a %ot of 4+a%(a*%e4 things in a remarka*%&
com.act s.ace (consi)ering its *roa) sco.e#.
3itho(t o+er gran)i/ing se0 (it %ooks *est 'hen 'e are
)enie) it# nor ignoring it .o'er an) a%%(re on the other
han), isnCt there a mi))%e roa) (saha5# that can *e
e0.e)ientD
S&nchronicit& again (YogaS(/, 9/2/99 110@09 !"#
- 'ant to .oint o(t that one of the reasons this to.ic
%ang(ishe) for so %ong *efore the .orn iss(e str(ck *ig
'as that, at %east for m&se%f, - 'as afrai) to .(t (. an&
information a*o(t m& o'n fee%ings a*o(t se0(a%it&.
Nat(ra%%& m& fee%ings come from m& .ersona% e0.erience,
an) for safet& reason - )o not 'ish to ta%k a*o(t m&
se0(a% e0.eriences in s(ch a .(*%ic for(m. "en are
fort(nate to *e a*%e to .ost here 'hate+er the& .%ease,
*(t -, for one, am afrai) to ta%k a*o(t se0(a%it& *eca(se
the %(rkers or e+en reg(%ars (- on%& kno' a fe' .eo.%e
here .ersona%%&, so .erha.s not e+er&one here is 'ho the&
.resent themse%+es to *e# ma& *e rea)ing .osts an)
fantasi/ing a*o(t me or other 'omen.
- think that men ma& not f(%%& gras. the fear an)
re.ression that 'omen m(st %i+e 'ith, ho' h(rtf(% the
"a)onna/3hore image is to (s.
!%tho(gh - 'ant to e0.%ain m& fee%ings more c%ear%&, - am
too scare) to .(t (. more information here. ,+en among
the frien)s here, - cannot e+er share ho' - fee%. -snCt
this 'hat 'eCre )isc(ssing...'h& 'omen fee% a%'a&s that the&
m(st hi)e their se0(a%it&, ho' 'eC+e gotten this afrai),
an) ho' to change thatD
H89A
To)a& - am thinking har) a*o(t the recent .osts here. T'o
)a&s ago m& h(s*an) an) - )isco+ere) that m& ste.son
ha) s.ent the t'o )a&s a%one at home +ie'ing a%% manner
of .orn on the Cnet, for ho(rs on en), an) not )oing one of
his chores. (8is schoo% starts after the schoo%s in o(r
area )o. The cam.s 'ere c%ose) an) no *a*&sitters 'ere to
*e fo(n)...a%% the high schoo% an) co%%ege age gir%s 'ere
*ack in schoo% an) e+en the mothers of ki)s 'ere
o+er'he%me) %ast 'eek, so re%(ctant%& 'e %eft him a%one
an) (nfort(nate%& he .ro+e) that he 'as in)ee) too
immat(re to *e %eft a%one.#
Nat(ra%%& 'e 'ere angr& that he *etra&e) o(r tr(st, as 'e
ha) s.ecifica%%& ca(tione) him not to go to those sites.
8e is too (nsa++& com.(ter-'ise to em.t& the *ro'serCs
histor& fi%es, so it is eas& to monitor his acti+it& an)
'e ha+e %et him an) his sister kno' that 'e can see
e+er&thing the& )o on the internet. 3e a%'a&s tho(ght the
kno'%e)ge that 'e co(%) +ie' the sites the& +isite) 'as
)eterrent eno(gh, *(t a..arent%& the a..ea% of the .orn
'as too strong.
$rank%&, - cannot *%ame him for 'anting to %ook an) the C
Net makes it so eas&. "& h(s*an) an) - )isc(sse) ho'
)ist(r*ing the -nternet is 'e might ha+e some se0(a%
rea)ing materia%s %a&ing aro(n) o(r ho(se some'here, *(t
'e 'o(%) ne+er ha+e the UUU st(ff that is a%% o+er the
CNet in o(r home.
No' that this iss(e is o(t in the o.en, - fee% that -
ha+e an o..ort(nit& to )isc(ss a%% sorts of *ig iss(es
'ith m& ste.-son...se0(a%it&, a))iction, 'h& he )i) something
'ith the a%most trans.arent nee) to *e ca(ght an)
.(nishe)...*(t instea) - ha+e *een m(te the %ast t'o )a&s, not
kno'ing ho' to react.
-t certain%& changes m& re%ationshi. to him to kno'
that he is +ie'ing 'omen in this 'a&. $or the first time
- fin) him a *it menacing, e+en tho(gh he is on%& a &o(ng
*o&. 1eca(se he a%rea)& has a .oor se%f-image an) can *e
aggressi+e, - 'orr& a*o(t him *ecoming o*ssesse) 'ith
.orn an) ho' this might affect his attit()e to'ar)
'omen.
-Cm not s(re ho' - fee% a*o(t .orn m&se%f. 9ike most
.eo.%e, - fin) it com.e%%ing e+en tho(gh it *ores me soon
eno(gh. - )o fee% o+er'he%me) *& a%% the anti-'oman
messages o(t in the me)ia to)a&...not 5(st the .ornogra.h&, *(t
the more s(*t%e forms of it on t.+., %ike 1a&'atch an)
>acific 1%(e...or e+en the fact that there are no 'omen %ea)
characters on most t.+. sho's. - fee% %ike there is no 'here
- can *e seen 5(st for 'ho - am no', e+en in m& o'n
fami%&. - am +er& sa) an) once again fee% sh(t o(t, afrai)
that if - s.eak a*o(t m& fee%ings an) e0.eriences
honest%& - 'i%% *e %a*e%e) a 'hore, or 'orse, ignore).
Fetting to !rtistr& (crota%(s, 9/2/99 10K=I >"#
AA-f this is not &o(r agen)a (an) &o( are the hostess...H
S(O has not *een a co-host here for some time - 4too *(s&
to kee. (.4 she sai) (.on re2(esting to *e remo+e).

Strikes me this )ia%og is a%so a*o(t mo+ing onto the
)ashe) %ine c(r+e (taken from The "agic of Conf%ict
T(rning a 9ife of 3ork into a 3ork of !rt#6 %ooking for the
high roa) of artistr&.
Searches on !%ta<ista &ie%)
.orn 2I,@K=,K10 'e* .ages
har)core 12,22@,1I0 'e* .ages
4teen .(ss&4 =1I,90; 'e* .ages
4ki))& .orn4 =0,K@3 'e* .ages
!*o(t 3 months ago the %ast three n(m*ers offere)
com.ara*%e ratios to the .orn n(m*er 'ith on%& mo)est
gro'th. >erha.s, 'eCre c%ose to a .eak or ma&*e itCs 5(st a
*reathing s.e%% Ltr&ing to sta& on to.ic here 6-# M in the s(rge
of .orn on the 'e*. -C+e a%so notice) that 'atching
"age%%an <o&e(r
re+ea%s man& fe'er se0 re%ate) searches
than in the .ast.
Ti))& .orn gets m& ca*rone on its hin) %egs. -f itCs ma)e
'ith %i+e ki)s (as o..ose) to animation# then it is c%ear%&
the most serio(s +io%ation an) that stain m(st fa%% on
the (ser as 'e%%. ! goo) man& of the 'e* .ages ta..e) *&
the ki))& .orn search are s.eaking o(t against ki))&
.orn or c%aiming that their teen .(ss& is %ega%.
The >(e*%o, CE .o%ice )e.artment has *een r(nning a sting
o.eration in 'hich a .o%ice 'oman .reten)s to *e a
+(%nera*%e chi%) on -nternet chat. !n&one a..earing in
.erson is arreste). ! c%ear case of entra.ment. 7(st 'h&
>(e*%o fee%s the& ha+e to go 4nationa%4 'ith this is *e&on)
me, *(t a simi%ar o.eration in e+er& ma5or .o%ice
)e.artment in the nation 'o(%) 2(ick%& create eno(gh
.aranoia to cri..%e the -nternet as a +ehic%e for the
chi%) mo%ester. ! +igi%ante a..roach to this act(a%%&
a..ea%s more (- *e%ie+e the techni2(es of go+Ct
entra.ment enco(rage *a) *eha+ior on *oth si)es#, e+en
tho(gh the .eo.%e that ten) to that sort of reg(%ation
seem to *e as narro' min)e) an) +io%ent as the ones
the&Cre after.
>erha.s a 'e* .age (s(..%ie) *& NS! 'ho co(%) ha+e the
)ata if the&C) sto. 'orr&ing a*o(t !mnest&
-nternationa%# of -> a))ress fre2(enc& corre%ations 'ith
.orn sites 'o(%) *e (sef(%. These might *e ranke) *& -S>
to see 'hat interesting geogra.hica% tren)s emerge. This
might te%% (s 'here to concentrate o(r e)(cation
efforts...ma&*e an anti.orn *ookmark for the *i*%es in the
*i*%e *e%t, sa&.
AA- am +er& sa) an) once again fee% sh(t o(t, afrai) that
if - s.eak a*o(t m& fee%ings an) e0.eriences honest%& -
'i%% *e %a*e%e) a 'hore, or 'orse, ignore).H
E.enness has itCs )ra'*acks *(t c%ose)ness is 'here 4the&4
'ant to kee. &o(. S(O an) - (most%& me# ha) a rea% hea)
*(tting 'ith a misog&nist o+er on the other si)e of
3e**.net some time ago that ma)e (s (me, after S(O *ro(ght it
to m& attention# concerne) a*o(t not 4asking for4
in-&o(r-face kin)a tro(*%e o+er the 'e*. $ina%%&, a 100N &ear o%)
character name) Bache% sho'e) (. to *%o' the 'ho%e
thing a'a& 'ith a gra.hic *it of +i%e .orn (.ic of a
'oman 'hose nake) a*)omen 'as %a*'%e) 'ith an -nte%
%ike gra.hic LSatan -nsi)eGM as she )efecate) in the mo(th of
a man %a*e%e) 'ith the on-%ine han)%e of the misog&nist#.
So, &eah things can get o(t of han)6 *(t e+en %o' .orn has
its (ses (-Cm .ro*a*%& the on%& one 'ho a)mire) the high
artistr& of this )eno(ement - nat(ra%%&, - got *%ame) for
it.#
>ro*a*%& &o( )onCt nee) to 'orr& ao*(t sharing 'hat
&o(C+e %earne) an) fe%t here. The fee)*ack 'i%% *e goo) (
.erha.s (sef(%, e+en# an) - )o(*t &o(C%% rasie &o(r an0iet&
%e+e%. Ef co(rse, .eo.%e are rare%& 'hat the& seem or 'ho
the& .reten) to *e...
- ten), %ike a 'oman - s(..ose, to 'atch m& *ack constant%&
*eca(se of a%% the tra+e% -C+e )one o+er the &ears an),
sim.%&, *eca(se itCs goo) .rotecti+e co%oring an) an
a'areness remin)er. So, -Cm not as concerne) (on%& h(*ris,
rea%%&# a*o(t m& safet&. - tr& not to get into sit(ations
or %oca%es 'here - canCt ho%) m& o'n. - 'as in the can
after a Den+er !+s game )(ring the .%a&offs (Den+er ha)
%ost to the hate) Be)3ings# 'here a Be)3ing 5erse&e) man
'as getting +er*a%%& cro')e) *& an a%coho% soake) !+s
fan. - 'as tem.te) to scoot o(t *(t ro)e o(t the tense
moment in the interest of m& *%a))er. <irt(a%%& the
entire room f(%% of @0 g(&s nee)ing to .ee *ecame (g%& 'ith
the kin) of anger that a%coho% an) the rit(a%i/e)
+io%ence of hocke& .romote. $ort(nate%&, e+er&one nee)e) to
.ee more than the& nee)e) to scra..
(Shakti Das, 9/2/99 12I00 >"#
S(/,
Thanks for e0.ressing &o(rse%f an) sharing &o(r
fee%ings an) fears. This is a goo) ste. (+(%nera*i%it&# to 4
o.en (.4 )ee.er comm(nication. Yo( are right, men 'i%% ne+er
kno' ho' it is to *e a fema%e (%ike fema%eCs 'onCt kno'
'hat it is to *e ma%e#. No - am not *eing s(.erficia% here (
*eca(se this is not an eas& %esson (at %east for me# as is
(nfort(nate%& the case, man& h(mansCs ten) to 4ass(me4 share)
ass(m.tions/conte0ts/+a%(es that act(a%%& are not share) at
a%%.
3hen - am a*%e to gi+e (. m& *ias (ass(m.tions# an)
.re5()ice then rea% comm(nication (thro(gh *etter
%istening ski%%s# can occ(r. Yes, this comm(nication a*i%it&
is m(ch %ike 'hat &oga teaches i.e., *eing .resent more,
em.t&ing the min), a..%&ing f(%% a'areness, sitting in o(r
o'n a(thenticit& &et *eing o.en ('hi%e not reacting#.
-n other 'or)s 'e a%% ten) to 4frame4 rea%it& accor)ing to
o(r e0.eriences an) this can %ea) to .ro+incia%ism,
stagnation, an) se%f %imitation if 'e are not caref(%.
8o.ef(%%& an& a(thentic .ractice (for me it has *een
most%& &oga# em.o'ers me to %et go of the %imitations (
im.ose) *& the min), fears, an) negati+e emotions# an) a%%o'
m&se%f to re%ate *etter from that core (of goo) energ&
'hich is no(risihing, hea%ing, an) %i*erating. Not that - am
centere) as m(ch as - 'o(%) %ike to, *(t itCs a .ath.
-n this 'a& (if 'e *oth ackno'%e)ge this common .ath# or
ha+e another *etter common gro(n) that 'e can re%ate to
an) .resent to the other that 'e can share in a
.ositi+e conte0t, 'e ma& *e a*%e to fa%% *ack (.on that
as an effecti+e reference an) refoc(sing .oint.
So 'hat if an& e0.e)ient conte0t can 'e create (if it is
not tantra# that can a%%o' (s to comm(nicate effecti+e%&
an) .ro)(cti+e%& ('itho(t fear# a*o(t these 4se0(a%4 )&namics,
rather than ignore )isc(ssion com.%ete%& as the other
e0treme a%ternati+eD
>erha.s tantra &oga 'as a *a) choice of terms. - .icke)
it 'hen - create) this to.ic, *eca(se it 'as the on%&
tra)ition that attem.te) to *ri)ge the 4g(%f4 *et'een
intimate re%ationshi.s, se0(a% .rocreati+e energies, *reath,
5o&, an) 4%o+e4. -t 'as something that - st()ie) an) fo(n)
some'hat effecti+e in m& o'n e0.erience.
En the )o'n si)e, it has man& re%igio(s connotations an)
other negati+e associations in some .eo.%eCs min)s, so
ma&*e it 'o(%) *e more effecti+e to thro' the 'or) a'a&
an) a..roach the s(*5ect (if 'e share it sti%%# again 'hat
ca(ses this ga., 'hat ca(ses the strife *et'een se0es, ho'
can ma%e/fema%e %i+e in a m(t(a%%& *eneficia%
re%ationshi. that enhances *oth .eo.%e (*oth/an)# +ers(s )are
- sa& contract(ra%, an) on the negati+e to the 5o& an)
%o+e, 'hat ca(ses the se0(a% conf%icts, hatre), +io%ence,
se0(a% a*(se, .e)o.hi%es, 4.ornogra.hic (rges4, an) ho' can the 4
negati+e4 or (n)esira*%e *e .re+ente) an) the .ositi+e 4
)esira*%e4 affirme).
Can 'e .(t this in a &oga conte0t or is that ho.e%ess. -f
it is ho.e%ess then the .remise for this to.ic creation
in the Yoga S&m.osi(m is ho.e%ess as 'e%%.
>erha.s none of (s are rea)&, .re.are), or 'i%%ing to enage
on s(ch a .(rs(it at this timeD So 'ha))&a thinkD Can 'e
create something *etter to this en)D
;@ of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;@
Be-.ost (crota%(s, 9/3/99 1=I23 >"#
The .ost ()onn&Cs# this refers to is missing no'.
A"& take is that the 'i)es.rea) interest in .orn
ref%ects a 'i)es.rea) (nf(%fi%%ment in rea% %ife or at
%east an ina*i%it& to r(n energ& thro(gh the 'ater
chakra (seems to get st(ck there in man&#. !n& commentsDHH
-Cm g(essing there are more .eo.%e (most%& men# that )o
.orn than )o .ot (estimate is \20" reg(%ar (sers an) \K0"
occasiona% (sers of canna*is#.
-C%% g(ess f(rther that some of those .ot smokers h(rt
other .eo.%e (sifting o(t those 'ho are on some other
+io%ence .rone )r(g, %ike a%coho% or s.ee) or coke#6 a*o(t
the same n(m*er as those 'ho )irect%& h(rt other .eo.%e
*eca(se of their .orn ha*it. Do(*t the&Cre the same gro(.,
tho(gh man& canna*is (sers 'i%% te%% &o( the&Cre as
)ra'n to the .orn (or se0 if the o..ort(nit& .resents
itse%f# as the cho' 'hen the&C+e a snoot f(%% of T8C.
The rea% iss(e of )amage concerns the .ossi*i%it& that
the e0istence (%ess a+ai%a*%e is 'orse than more
a+ai%a*%e, (nti% the (&n)er%&ing ca(ses are a))resse)# of
.orn 'i%% ina..ro.riate%& se0(a%i/e a .erson 'hen no
other time%& information is a+ai%a*%e for com.arison or
to .ro.er%& con)ition (&a gotta %o+e that in its socia%
conte0# taste an) Bight Thinking. 43hich came first, the .orn
or the +io%ent .er+ertD4
!s a c(%t(re 'e certain%& 'orr& more a*o(t ki)s an) .ot
than 'e )o ki)s an) .orn. !n& .othea) co%%ege st()ent can
te%% &o( that smoke an) tests )onCt mi0 an) that it is
not the *est st()& ai) (*etterCn the T< *(t he&...#. The *a)
effects of .ot are short term (neg%ecting the st(.i) acts
an) fai%ing %(ngs of the chronic (ser# (certain%& %ess than
a%coho% *& an& meas(re# 'hereas those of .orn ma& not *e. !
3ar on >orn 'i%% *e a*o(t as s(ccessf(% as the 3ar on
Some Dr(gs - it 'o(%) *ecome m(ch more e0.ensi+e, )esire) (
the na(ght& factor# an) tro(*%ing. !ttention to root
ca(ses 'ith no e0.ectation of a 2(ick fi0 is in or)er.
- see it .ersona%%& as one of the too%s the .atriarch&
(ses to maintain the min) set a*o(t the inferiorit& of
the fema%e. The conscio(s (se of .orn to inc(%cate this
min) set ('ith a 'i%%ingness to %i+e 'ith the ten)encies
that +io%ent .orn ma& .reci.itate# is a *it of a stretch
for me. Certain%& it ma& *e a conse2(ence more often than
right thinking .eo.%e concerne) a*o(t maintaining goo)
.(*%ic or)er (none of that ho%%ering 4$ire in the theaterG4
st(ff.# can to%erate. S(re%& it is a s&m.tom of o(r ina*i%it&
to *e res.onsi*%e a*o(t o(r free)oms.
-Cm a *it more concerne) a*o(t constant me)ia .ortraits
of nonse0(a% +io%ence 'hen it comes to 1st amen)ment
iss(es of the )a& an) 'orries a*o(t con)itioning. That
concern is not (ncommon *(t it seems an e+en more
sacre) )omain of free s.eech.
;= of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;=
! "oment of C%arit& - >(%. $iction from 12@@ (crota%(s, 9/3/99 3@339 >"#
This .oem *& B(mi 'as reca%%e) *& the stim(%ation of
)onn&Cs .ost (e%se'here# a*o(t %a(ghter an) TitCs .ost
(e%se'here# a*o(t B(mi an) the .risons 'e make for
o(rse%+es an) some of the )isc(ssions 'eC+e *een
sharing here recent%&.
The s.irit(a% )isc(ssion an) gran) conc%(sions ignore
the f(n)amenta%%& *a) treatment of a *ea(tif(% 'oman
*eca(se she is a conc(*ine. This +ie' %ea)ing to .oor
treatment 'as common in the "(s%im 'or%) of the 13th
cent(r& an) 'as not restricte) to conc(*ines. Nor ha+e
things change) m(ch. The .iece *egins 'ith a *it oC .orn.
-ntro *& trans%ator Co%eman 1arks.
EN T8, D,S-B,-1EDY
S(fis ca%% the 'antings nafs. $rom the (rgent 'a& %o+ers
'ant each other to the sann&asinCs search for tr(th, a%%
mo+ing is from the mo+er. ,+er& .(%% )ra's (s to the
ocean. B(mi sa&s itCs im.ortant to %i+e the 'antings as
the& come an) not get st(ck some'here, stagnant. 8e 'as
aske) once 'hat to )o a*o(t a &o(ng man ca(ght )oing
some in)ecent act. The stor& )oesnCt mention 'hat e0act%&--
mast(r*ation, .ee.ing-tomming, 'hate+er 'i%) 'antings &o(ng
men think to )o. B(mi to%) them not to 'orr& a*o(t it. 4-t
5(st means heCs gro'ing his feathers. The )angero(s case
is a ki) 'ho )oesnCt )o in)ecent acts, 'ho then %ea+es
the nest 'itho(t feathers. Ene f%a. an) the cat has him.4 1e
caref(%, B(mi s(ggests, a*o(t shaming se0(a% *eha+ior in an
a)o%escent or an&one 'ho hasnCt &et ha) his or her fi%%
of erotic trancing. Eften, the c%osest 'e come to s(rren)er
is orgasm. -n B(miCs s&m*o%og& the rooster is a s&m*o%
for that energ&.
So ho' )i) 8asam ki%% his roosterD 1& )isso%+ing into the
.%a&. The nafs are energies that kee. (s mo+ing, sto..ing
no'here. :nion 'ith the )i+ine contin(a%%& (nfo%)s. Ne0t to
the g%o'ing )ri+e-in mo+ie, the 5(nk&ar)Cs r(ste) stacks
of o%) )esire-*o)ies. 9et the *ea(t& 'e %o+e kee. t(rning
into action, transm(ting to another, another. 3hat ha+e -
e+er %ost *& )&ingD B(mi asks, e0changing one set of nafs
for the ne0t. Cho..e) rooster energ& *ecomes another
)ining room stor&. >artic%es of .raise shine in the
s(n%ight. !n&thing &o( gra* ho%) of on the *ank *reaks
'ith the ri+erCs .ress(re. 3hen &o( )o things from &o(r
so(%, the ri+er itse%f mo+es thro(gh &o(. $reshness an) a
)ee. 5o& are signs of the c(rrent.
S,U:!9 :BF,NCY, 38!T ! 3E"!NCS 9!:F8T,B C!N DE, !ND T8,
N!T:B, E$ TB:, <-B-9-TY
Someone offhan) to the Ca%i.h of ,g&.t,
4The Ting of "os(%.
has a conc(*ine %ike no other,
more *ea(tif(% than - can )escri*e.
She %ooks %ike this.4
8e )ra's her %ikeness on .a.er.
The Ca%i.h )ro.s his c(..
-mme)iate%& he sen)s his ca.tain to "os(%
'ith an arm& of tho(san)s. The siege goes on for a 'eek,
'ith man& cas(a%ties, the 'a%%s an) the to'ers (nstea)&
as soft as 'a0. The Ting of "os(% sen)s an en+o&.
43h& this ki%%ingD -f &o( 'ant the cit&,
- 'i%% %ea+e an) &o( can ha+e itG
-f &o( 'ant more 'ea%th, thatCs e+en easier.4
The ca.tain takes o(t the .iece of .a.er
'ith the gir%Cs .ict(re on it. This.
The strong Ting of "os(% is 2(ick to re.%&.
49ea) her o(t. The i)o% *e%ongs 'ith the i)o%ater.4
3hen the ca.tain sees her, he fa%%s in %o+e
%ike the Ca%i.h. DonCt %a(gh at this.
This %o+ing is a%so .art of infinite %o+e,
'itho(t 'hich the 'or%) )oes not e+o%+e.
E*5ects mo+e from inorganic to +egetation
to se%+es en)o'e) 'ith s.irit thro(gh the (rgenc&
of e+er& %o+e that 'ants to come to .erfection.
This ca.tain thinks the soi% %ooks ferti%e,
so he so's his see). S%ee.ing, he sees the gir%
in a )ream. 8e makes %o+e to her image,
an) his semen s.(rts o(t.
!fter a 'hi%e he *egins to 'ake.
S%o'%& he senses the gir% is not there.
4- ha+e gi+en m& see) into nothing.
- sha%% .(t this trick& 'oman to a test.4
! %ea)er 'ho is not ca.tain of his *o)& is not one
to *e honore), (*est sen) this to S%ick#'ith his semen
s.i%%e) so in the san).
No' he %oses a%% contro%. 8e )oesnCt care
a*o(t the Ca%i.h, or a*o(t )&ing.
4- am in %o+e,4 he sa&s.
Do not act in s(ch heat.
Take co(nse% 'ith a master.
1(t the ca.tain co(%)nCt.
8is infat(ation is a *%ack'ater 'a+e carr&ing him a'a&.
Something that )oesnCt e0ist makes a .hantom
a..ear in the )arkness of a 'e%%,
an) the .hantom itse%f *ecomes strong eno(gh
to thro' act(a% %ions into the ho%e.
"ore a)+ice it is )angero(s to %et other men
ha+e intimate connections 'ith the 'omen in &o(r care.
Cotton an) fire s.arks, those are, together.
Diffic(%t, a%most im.ossi*%e, to 2(ench.
The ca.tain )oes not ret(rn straight to the Ca%i.h,
*(t instea) cam.s in a sec%()e) mea)o'.
1%a/ing, he canCt te%% gro(n) from sk&.
8is reason is %ost in a )r(mming so(n),
'orth%ess ra)ish an) son of a ra)ish.
The Ca%i.h himse%f a gnat, nothing.
1(t 5(st as this c(%ti+ator tears off the 'omanCs .ants
an) %ies )o'n *et'een her %egs, his .enis mo+ing
straight to the mark, thereCs a great t(m(%t
an) a rising cr& of so%)iers o(tsi)e the tent.
8e %ea.s (. 'ith his *are *ottom shining
an) r(ns o(t, scimitar in han).
! *%ack %ion from a near*& s'am.
has gotten in among the horses. Chaos.
The %ion 5(m.ing t'ent& feet in the air,
tents *i%%o'ing %ike an ocean.
The ca.tain 2(ick%& a..roaches the %ion,
s.%its his hea) 'ith one *%o',
an) no' heCs r(nning *ack to the 'omanCs tent.
3hen he stretches o(t her *ea(t& again,
his .enis goes e+en more erect.
The engagement, the coming together, is as 'ith the %ion.
8is .enis sta&s erect a%% thro(gh it,
an) it )oes not scatter semen fee*%&.
The *ea(tif(% one is ama/e) at his +iri%it&.
-mme)iate%&, 'ith great energ& she 5oins 'ith his energ&,
an) their t'o s.irits go o(t from them as one.
3hene+er t'o are %inke) this 'a&, there comes another
from the (nseen 'or%). -t ma& *e thro(gh *irth,
if nothing .re+ents conce.tion,
*(t a thir) )oes come, 'hen t'o (nite in %o+e,
or in hate. The intense 2(a%ities *orn
of s(ch 5oining a..ear in the s.irit(a% 'or%).
Yo( 'i%% recogni/e them 'hen &o( go there.
Yo(r associations *ear .rogen&.
1e caref(%, therefore. 3ait, an) *e conscio(s,
*efore &o( go to meet an&one.
Bemem*er there are chi%)ren to consi)erG
Chi%)ren &o( m(st %i+e 'ith an) ten) to,
*orn of &o(r emotions 'ith another, entities
'ith a form, an) s.eech, an) a .%ace to %i+e.
The& are cr&ing to &o( e+en no'.
Yo( ha+e forgotten (s. Come *ack.
1e a'are of this. ! man an) a 'oman together
a%'a&s ha+e a s.irit(a% res(%t.
The ca.tain 'as not so a'are. 8e fe%%,
an) st(ck %ike a gnat in a .ot of *(ttermi%k,
tota%%& a*sor*e) in his %o+e affair. Then,
5(st as s())en%&, heCs (nintereste). 8e te%%s
the 'oman, 4DonCt sa& a 'or) of this to the Ca%i.h.
8e takes her there, an) the Ca%i.h is smitten.
SheCs a h(n)re) times more *ea(tif(% than heCs imagine).
! certain man asks an e%o2(ent teacher,
43hat is tr(e an) 'hat fa%seG4 4This is fa%se
a *at hi)es from the s(n, not from the i)ea of the s(n.
-tCs the i)ea that .(ts fear in the *at an) %ea)s it
)ee.er into the ca+e. Yo( ha+e an i)ea
of an enem& that attaches &o( to certain com.anions.
"oses, the inner %ight of re+e%ation,
%it (. the to. of Sinai, *(t the mo(ntain
co(%) not ho%) that %ight.
DonCt )ecei+e &o(rse%f that 'a&G
8a+ing the i)ea is not %i+ing
the rea%it&, of an&thing.
ThereCs no co(rage in the i)ea of *att%e.
The *athho(se 'a%% is co+ere) 'ith .ict(res
an) m(ch ta%k of heroism. Tr& to make an i)ea mo+e
from ear to e&e. Then &o(r 'oo%%& ears
*ecome as s(*t%e as fi*ers of %ight.
Yo(r 'ho%e *o)& *ecomes a mirror,
a%% e&e an) s.irit(a% *reathing.
9et &o(r ear %ea) &o( to &o(r %o+er.4
So the Ca%i.h is mighti%& in %o+e 'ith this gir%.
8is king)om +anishes %ike %ightning.
-f &o(r %o+ing is n(m*, kno' this 'hen 'hat &o( o'n
can +anish, itCs on%& a )ream, a +anit&, *reath
thro(gh a m(stache. -t 'o(%) ha+e ki%%e) &o(.
There are those that sa&, 4Nothing %asts.4
The&Cre 'rong. ,+er& moment the& sa&,
4-f there 'ere some other rea%it&,
- 'o(%) ha+e seen it. - 'o(%) kno' a*o(t it.4
1eca(se a chi%) )oesnCt (n)erstan) a chain of reasoning,
sho(%) a)(%ts gi+e (. *eing rationa%G
-f reasona*%e .eo.%e )onCt fee% the .resence of %o+e
'ithin the (ni+erse, that )oesnCt mean itCs not there.
7ose.hCs *rothers )i) not see 7ose.hCs *ea(t&,
*(t 7aco* ne+er %ost sight of it. "oses at first
sa' on%& a 'oo)en staff, *(t to his other seeing
it 'as a +i.er an) a ca(se of .anic.
,&esight is in conf%ict 'ith inner kno'ing.
"osesC han) is a han) an) a so(rce of %ight.
These matters are as rea% as the infinite is rea%,
*(t the& seem re%igio(s fantasies to some,
to those 'ho *e%ie+e on%& in the rea%it&
of the se0(a% organs an) the )igesti+e tract.
DonCt mention the $rien) to those.
To others, se0 an) h(nger are fa)ing images,
an) the $rien) is more constant%&, so%i)%& here.
9et the former go to their ch(rch, an) 'eC%% go to o(rs.
DonCt ta%k %ong to ske.tics or to those
'ho c%aim to *e atheists.
So the Ca%i.h has the i)ea
of entering the *ea(tif(% 'oman,
an) he comes to her to )o his 'anting.
"emor& raises his .enis, straining it in tho(ght
to'ar) the .(shing )o'n an) the %ifting (.
'hich make that mem*er gro' %arge 'ith )e%ight.
1(t as he act(a%%& %ies )o'n 'ith the 'oman,
there comes to him a )ecree from Fo)
to sto. these +o%(.t(o(s )oings. ! +er& tin& so(n),
%ike a mo(se might make. The .enis )roo.s,
an) )esire s%i.s a'a&.
8e thinks that 'his.ering so(n) is a snake
rising off the stra' mat. The gir% sees his )roo.ing
an) sai%s into fits of %a(ghing at the mar+e%o(s thing.
She remem*ers the ca.tain ki%%ing the %ion
'ith his .enis stan)ing straight (..
9ong an) %o() her %a(ghter.
!n&thing she thinks of on%& increases it,
%ike the %a(ghter of those 'ho eat hashish.
,+er&thing is f(nn&.
,+er& emotion has a so(rce an) a ke& that o.ens it.
The Ca%i.h is f(rio(s. 8e )ra's his s'or).
43hatCs so am(sing.C Te%% me e+er&thing &o(Cre thinking.
DonCt ho%) an&thing *ack. !t this moment
-Cm c%air+o&ant. -f &o( %ie, -C%% *ehea) &o(.
-f &o( te%% the tr(th, -C%% gi+e &o( &o(r free)om.4
8e stacks se+en [(rCans on to. of each other
an) s'ears to )o as he sa&s.
3hen she fina%%& gets ho%) of herse%f,
the gir% te%%s a%%, in great )etai%. Ef the cam.
in the mea)o', the ki%%ing of the %ion,
the ca.tainCs ret(rn to the tent 'ith his .enis
sti%% har) as the horn of a rhino.
!n) the contrast 'ith the Ca%i.hCs o'n mem*er
sinking )o'n *eca(se of one mo(se-'his.er.
8i))en things a%'a&s come to %ight.
Do not so' *a) see). 1e s(re, the&C%% come (..
Bain an) the s(nCs heat make them rise into the air.
S.ring comes after the fa%% of the %ea+es,
'hich is .roof eno(gh of the fact of res(rrection.
Secrets come o(t in S.ring, o(t from earth-%i.s into %eaf.
3orries *ecome 'ine-hea)aches.
1(t 'here )i) the 'ine come fromG Think.
! *ranch of *%ossoms )oes not %ook %ike see).
! man )oes not resem*%e semen. 7es(s came
from Fa*rie%Cs *reath, *(t he is not in that form.
The gra.e )oesnCt %ook %ike the +ine.
9o+ing actions are the see) of something
com.%ete%& )ifferent, a %i+ing-.%ace.
No origin is %ike 'here it %ea)s to.
3e canCt kno' 'here o(r .ain is from.
3e )onCt kno' a%% that 'eC+e )one.
>erha.s itCs *est that 'e )onCt.
Ne+erthe%ess 'e s(ffer for it.
The Ca%i.h comes *ack to his c%arit&. 4-n the .ri)e
of m& .o'er - took this 'oman from another,
so of co(rse, someone came to knock on m& )oor.
3hoe+er commits a)(%ter& is a .im.
for his o'n 'ife.
-f &o( ca(se in5(r& to someone, &o( )ra'
that same in5(r& to'ar) &o(rse%f. "& treacher&
ma)e m& frien) a traitor to me. This re.etition
m(st sto. some'here. 8ere, in an act of merc&.
-C%% sen) &o( *ack to the ca.tain,
sa&ing another of m& 'i+es is 5ea%o(s,
an) since the ca.tain 'as *ra+e eno(gh
to *ring &o( *ack from "os(%,
he sha%% ha+e &o( in marriage.4
This is the +iri%it& of a .ro.het.
The Ca%i.h 'as se0(a%%& im.otent,
*(t his man%iness 'as most .o'erf(%.
The kerne% of tr(e manhoo) is the a*i%it&
to a*an)on sens(a% in)(%gences. The intensit&
of the ca.tainCs %i*i)o is %ess than a h(sk
com.are) to the Ca%i.hCs no*i%it& in en)ing
the c&c%e of so'ing %(st an) rea.ing
secrec& an) +engef(%ness.
-B(mi
So, the Ca%i.h sa%+ages a *a) moment 'ith a gran) gest(re
(forgetting that the ca.tain %ost interest an) that
another h(man is treate) %ike a se0(a% s%a+e an) that
man& ha+e )ie) or s(ffere) nee)%ess%& in the sor)i)
ac2(isition#. ! )ecent mora% - s(..ose an) man& insightf(%
comments on the nat(re of s.irit(a% se0 com.%ete 'ith
tantric o+ertones. The fina% ca%% for ren(nciation to
fin) 4tr(e man)hoo),4 if on%& the kerne%, is t&.ica%.
;K of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;K
"issing >ost (Shakti Das, 9/3/99 =2;13 >"#
3e%% no *ig %oss (*(t if an&*o)& sa+e) it# can &o( re.ost
it or sen) to me. 1asica%%& if - remem*er an& of it, 'e )i)
a c%assic st()& of a)o%escence se0(a% *eha+ior an) ho'
there too often e0ists a conf%ict *et'een the message
coming from the .h&sio%og& (*o)&# an) socia% (es.ecia%%& *o)&
negati+e societies# +a%(es an) con+entiona% anti-se0(a%
mora%s. This conf%ict (s(a%%& rears its (g%& hea) )(ring
.(*ert& often s())en%& an) is +er& m(ch .art of this
often 4)iffic(%t4 time for .arents an) chi%)ren. 8o' 'e )ea%
'ith this innocent an) .o'erf(% .h&sio%ogica% 4(rge4 (as
chi%)ren an) a)(%ts# can create a strong +ector in the
f(t(re )e+e%o.ment of the chi%).
The .ost 'as more com.rehensi+e an) offere) more than
an ana%&sis *(t trie) to )e%ineate a %ong %ist of
.ossi*%e actions/reactions r(nning the gam(t from
in)(%gence to a+oi)ance consi)ering their .ossi*%e
*o)&/min) ramnifications.
- *e%ie+e that S(eCs res.onse is a%so missing ( - en5o&e)
it m(ch#. Does an&one ha+e that oneD
To res.on) to herCs (missing#. - fee% it is *etter that 'e
not see each other as %i*era% or conser+ati+e *(t
rather as in)i+i)(a%s. S(re there are some 'ho fit these
stereot&.es 5(st %ike some fit 4Ne' !ge4, hi..&, f(n)amenta%ist,
an) other %a*e%s *(t - )onCt think an& one here is a
conformist to an& of these ('e a%% ha+e o(r %eanings#.
!ct(a%%& (a%most e+er&one - ha+e +ote) for the .ast 2= &ears
ha+e %ost# an) certain%& .o%itica%%& - )o not i)entif&
'ith either %i*era% or conser+ati+e. -Cm s(re - 'o(%)nCt
*e a*%e to fit &o( insi)e an& s(ch *o0 as 'e%%, so %etCs
kee. o.en the .ossi*i%ities that each one is s.eaking
from their o'n e0.erience an) tr(th ((n%ess 'e catch
someone s.eaking the .art& %ine#. Yo( can ca%% me to m&
tr(th an&time &o( fee% a nee) an) -C%% )o the same for
&o( (if &o( %ike#.
-n or)er to c%arif&, are 'e not *etter off *&
)isting(ishing some )iscrete iss(es (a%tho(gh +er& m(ch
inter-re%ate).
1# <io%ence to men or 'omen is *a)
2# 3e *oth sincere%& 'ish to e%iminate +io%ence
3# There e0ists a ca(se to this +io%ence
@# >ornogra.h& is a s&m.tom of .... (-s it the res(%t of negati+e
se0(a% .rogrammingD. -f not 'hat is the ca(seD#
=# >ornogra.h& is %ike a sme%%& e%e.hant in the %i+ing room
'hich can not *e ignore) 'itho(t *eing )&sf(nctiona%.
K# >ornogra.h& has negati+e conse2(ences for 'omen *eca(s
eit (s(a%%& )emeans their image in the min)s of men,
o*5ectifies as se0(a% o*5ects for menCs gratification
an) .%eas(re, an) other'ise .er.et(ates the negati+e
c&c%e of +io%ence.
;# "en are a%so +ictims of .orn as 'e%% as 'omen. Cons(mers
of .ornogra.h& are %i+ing +icario(s %i+es, &et the& ma&
fee% more in to(ch 'ith their fee%ings thro(gh it. -n
fact the& are .artici.ating +icario(s%& tr&ing to
f(%fi%% a s(*%imate) )esire thro(gh this +icario(s an)
fantas& me)ia.
-s the a*o+e some of the themes that 'e ha+e *een
e0.%oringD Certain%& 'e ha+e not agree) on the so%(tion.
!s 1o* an) &o( .oint o(t its (se is 'i)es.rea). Ether
than to make it i%%ega% or more e0.ensi+e, 'hat a*o(t
c%assif&ing it as a .(*%ic hea%th menace (%ike )r(gs 'ere
)one in the si0ties#. "a&*e then it 'o(%) *e a*%e to
treate) scientifica%%&.
- think .ornogra.h& is act(a%%& a )isease %ike a )r(g
a))iction. -n the %ong r(n it is not ser+ing the cons(mer,
*(t (as a means to'ar) mast(r*ation an) re%ief# it ser+es
to tem.orari%& )ischarge the tension, *(t ne+er getting
to the core ne(roses. -Cm serio(s here, 'hat a*o(t offering
free co(nse%ingD - mean ho' man& are a))icte)D 1(t is there
an&'here these .oor .eo.%e can go for he%. e0ce.t to
hire a .s&cho%ogistD
3ith a%% the negati+e .(*%icit&, shame, an) g(i%t in+o%+e)
it 'o(%) *e )iffic(%t to start a .ornogra.herCs
ano&mono(s c%(* >!C#, *(t ignoring the fact that that it is
a sa) affair for !99 concerne), or sim.%& ignoring their
.%ight as 'e%% as the .otentia% negati+e conse2(ences
of censorshi. or making it i%%ega% seems )&sf(nctiona%.
Ef co(rse for an& rea% a))iction co(nse%ing or thera.&
to *e effecti+e, the thera.& 'o(%) ha+e to (n)erstan) the
ca(ses an) ha+e an effecti+e treatment. Co(%)
reconnecting to the *o)& s(ch in &oga, %earning ho' to
r(n the energ& thro(gh the meri)ians an) chakras so it
'o(%)nCt *e st(ck in one .%ace (the s'a)histhana chakra
in this case# thro(gh .ractises of taoist &oga an) chi
gong, .s&choana%&tica% techni2(es s(ch as regression, or
other techni2(es *e effecti+eD
Tantra, Taoist Yoga, Chi Fong, an) Beichian Thera.&, c%aim to
offer ans'ers, *(t none of them are easi%& o*taina*%e *&
the ma5orit& of .ornogra.hers. "a&*e there are e+en more
*etter so%(tions a+ai%a*%e, *(t in or)er to )e+e%o. them,
'e m(st first ha+e a goo) han)%e on the ca(se of the
ma%a)&.
3hat - fin) is that .arents es.ecia%%& kno' that there
is a .ro*%em, *(t not kno'ing ho' to )ea% 'ith it the&
*%ame it on se0 itse%f. 1(t se0 *& itse%f is innocent. Th(s(
a%tho(gh if it )i)nCt e0ist there 'o(%) not *e the
.ro*%em# *(t of co(rse is m(st not *e conf(se) 'ith the
ca(se of .ornogra.h&, *(t rather .ornogra.h& res(%ts in
o(r c(%t(re as a s&m.tom of a s.ecific negati+e t&.e of
se0(a% .rogramming.
So *efore - 'o(%) s(ggest a thera.&, -C) %ike to *e
certain of the )iagnosis. -s it sim.%& a res(%t of an
(nconscio(s (rge to get in to(ch 'ith %ost fee%ings -- 'ith
+ita%it&, their &o(th, their *o)&, %ife itse%f -- an) as s(ch
another s(*%imation/)istraction m(ch %ike other
a))ictions *(t more s.ecific%& re%ate) to negati+e
se0(a% con)itioningD
So to confront the .ro*%em (an) not shoot the messenger
again# 'e can ask ho' )oes this negati+e .rogramming
occ(r, ho' )o 'e .re+ent it from occ(rring in the first
.%ace, an) ho' )o 'e make a+ai%a*%e effecti+e treatments
to those 'ho ha+e *een a%rea)& so .rogramme)D
3e%%, ma&*e this .ost 'i%% get %ost as 'e%%D fateD Yes, - am
sim.%& thinking o(t %o() as 'e%%.
;; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;;
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, 9/3/99 K331@ >"#
8e%%o !%%,
"& %ong .ost of &ester)a& e+ening 'as m&sterio(s%&
erase). - )i)nCt sa+e it, so.....ah 'e%%.
Donn&, - ha+e not *een a hostess aro(n) here for a 'hi%e,
as 1o* .ointe) o(t. "& sche)(%e has *een too erratic to
)o the 5o* 5(stice. Yo( )o a fine 5o* here an) - tr(%&
a..reciate &o(r 'ork as 'e%% as a)mire &o(r 'i)e
kno'%e)ge *ase. - 'o(%) not sa& &o( 'ere 4o(t of %ine4 - *(t -
)i) fee% - 'as *eing )ismisse) for ha+ing the ga%% to
.resent a conser+ati+e si)e of a com.%icate) iss(e.
Conser+ati+es arenCt the on%& fo%ks 'ho o.erate o(t of
a 4*e%ief str(ct(re.4 So )o %i*era%s. The %i*era%s, ho'e+er, are
sometimes 'orse than the $(n)ies at ref(sing to a..%& a
test of reason to those *e%iefs.
3e a%% %ike to gigg%e at $(n)amenta%ist *e%ief
str(ct(res. 1(t to a $(n)ie, their *e%iefs .ro+i)e a
consistent mora%, s.irit(a% an) ethica% s&stem. The&
*e%ie+e in 4origina% sin,4 *ack (. their assertions 'ith
e0am.%es from a %ong historica% tra)ition, an) act on
that *e%ief. The& cite a 4ho%& *ook4 that .rescri*es
reme)ies for h(mankin)Cs f%a's. - )onCt *e%ie+e in their
set of *e%iefs, *(t the& can, at %east, e0.%ain them.
The %i*era%s, on the other han), a%so ha+e a *e%ief - that
h(mankin) is inherent%& %o+e an) %ight an) if 'e co(%)
on%& get the $(n)ies off (s, 'eC) %i+e in a near-(to.ia.
1(t 'hen &o( ask a %i*era% to *ack that *e%ief (., &o(
are greete) 'ith a reassertion of the *e%ief, a 'ringing
of han)s o+er the c%ose)-min)e)ness of the $(n)ie an) a
trite incantation to the )eit& of .ersona% free)om.
-nstea) of a reasone) res.onse, one gets )erision, anger or
)ismissa%.
"ost fo%ks in the for(m kno' that - am .assionate in m&
arg(ments. 3hat &o( ma& consi)er this 4getting carrie)
a'a&,4 - %ike to think of it as enth(siasm co(.%e) 'ith
inte%%ect(a% co(rage (or foo%ishness, as the case ma& *e#. -
)onC %ike to 'aste time (each of (s has o(r a%%ocation of
min(tes an) thatCs it# an) - a%'a&s tr& to go right to
the heart of iss(es. - am not (as m& %o+ing h(s*an) can
attest# a )em(r an) s(*missi+e 'oman, *(t, *& 'a& of
com.ensation, -Cm to%) -Cm interesting.
S(O, thanks for &o(r *ra+e an) honest .ost. Yo( sai), +er&
s(ccinct%&, 'hat - ha+e *een tr&ing to get across, *eca(se
&o( sai) 'hat &o( $,9T. Tantra re2(ires tr(st an) 'omen
ha+e a +er& )iffic(%t time tr(sting men. -tCs a
historica% thing ha+ing to )o 'ith
fema%e infantici)e,
officia%%& sanctione) )omestic a*(se ((nti% +er& recent%&# -
no' rare%& or minima%%& .(nishe) 'i)es.rea) +io%ence
against 'omen
sa%e of &o(ng gir%s to strangers,
incest,
force) .rostit(tion,
ma%e-)ominate) co(rts,
h(s*an)sC im.risonment of 'i+es in menta% instit(tions
for )isagreements 'ith their h(s*an)s
'ar
ra.e
)iscrimination an) harassment
Yo( get the .ict(re. This st(ff is .rimari%& )one to
'omen *& men (or *& men to other, 4%esser4 men#. Tho(gh,
occasiona%%& a 'oman is a*(si+e to a man, the a*(se is
not an&'here near the sco.e an) intensit& of that
+isite) (.on (s. ! recent .o%% aske) men an) 'omen 'hat
their )ee.est fear 'as - an o+er'he%ming n(m*er of men
re.%ie) 4Fetting %a(ghe) at *& a 'oman.4 The 'omen re.%ie), 4
Fetting ki%%e) *& a man.
-tCs not that e+er& man )oes these things. Theses things (
%ike the .rom(%gation of .orn# ha+e *een )one so %ong
that e+er& man DE,S NET 8!<, TE )o them. "ar& Da%& ca%%s
this the 48o%& Fhost4 or the interna% fear that .re+ents
'omen from ste..ing too far o(t of %ine (an) from f(%%&
tr(sting men#.
"an& 'omen *e%ie+e the 4o%) *o& net'ork4 (inc%()ing men 'ho
)o not )irect%& a*(se 'omen# .rotects 'omen-a*(sers
thro(gh %a0 %a's an) %a0 enforcement of %a's, e0c(sing
the *eha+ior, ganging (. on a 'oman to .rotect a *())&, or
ref(sing to inter+ene 'hen another man is 4getting his
'oman in %ine.4 E(r c(%t(re sti%% )oesnCt a%'a&s see these
things as crimes.
Some of (s %ink a manCs ref(sa% to consi)er the
.otentia% harm )one *& .ornogra.h& 'ith 4goo)4 menCs
ref(sa% to take on 4*a)4 men on )efense of 'omen. (
8istorica%%& 'eC+e on%& *een )efen)e) as .ieces of
.ro.ert&#. >ornogra.h& o*5ectifies (s an) it is )iffic(%t
to tr(st a man 'ho o*5ectifies (s (at %east it is for me#.
-f 'e canCt co(nt on e+en the 4goo)4 men to treat (s 'ith
se0(a% res.ect, &o( can imagine the )iffic(%ties 'e ha+e
'ith tr(sting an& man at the %e+e% re2(ire) *& Tantra.
- 'o(%) think that a man 'ho 'ante) a Tantric
re%ationshi. 'ith a 'oman 'o(%) *e 'i%%ing to gi+e (.
.orn if it 'o(%) he%. that re%ationshi..
1o*, &o( 'rite
4-C%% g(ess f(rther that some of those .ot smokers h(rt
other .eo.%e (sifting o(t those 'ho are on some other
+io%ence .rone )r(g, %ike a%coho% or s.ee) or coke#6 a*o(t
the same n(m*er as those 'ho )irect%& h(rt other .eo.%e
*eca(se of their .orn ha*it.4
Not the same thing. >ot-in)(ce) +io%ence is minima%, from
'hat - can te%%. Se0(a% +io%ence .er+a)es o(r c(%t(re.
>ot )oesnCt o*5ectif& an) )egra)e ha%f the .o.(%ation (as
+io%ence-%ace), har)core .orn )oes# an), as man& st()ies, *(t
not a%%, ha+e sho'n, is not )irect%& %inke) to ra.e, chi%)
se0(a% a*(se an) rit(a% se0(a% m(r)er. >eo.%e 'ho h(rt
others 'hi%e on .ot, h(rt others an&'a&. -n m& e0.erience,
as a matter of fact, .ot he%.s some .eo.%e c(r* their
+io%ent ten)encies.
- agree that 4! 3ar En >orn4 'o(%) *e shortsighte) an), in
the en), 'o(%) ne+er era)icate .orn. -Cm not ta%king a*o(t
a 'ar6 -Cm ta%king a*o(t managing )istri*(tion. 3hat is
'rong 'ith .(nishing .eo.%e 'ho 'i%%f(%%& in+o%+e
chi%)ren in .ornogra.h&D
4!s a c(%t(re 'e certain%& 'orr& more a*o(t ki)s an) .ot
than 'e )o ki)s an) .orn. 4 Yeah, *eca(se the same man 'ho
'i%% sen) a .othea) to 5ai% for toking (. 'i%% fight
+ehement%& for his right to .orn. -n the first case 'e
ha+e something he )oesnCt 'ant an&one )oing an) in the
secon) 'e ha+e something 8, 'ants to )o.
!s for B(mi, - an not s(r.rise). - ha+enCt seen m(ch come
o(t of that .art of the 'or%), )(ring !NY historica% era,
that )oesnCt )enigrate 'omen.
- )onCt kno' a*o(t s.orts. -C+e ne+er *een a*%e to make
(. m& min) 'hether or not ro(gh s.orts are a hea%th&
o(t%et for aggression (mock 'ar# or a con)itioner for more
+io%ence. Yeah, - kno' some .eo.%e (most%& men# %ike to fight
after s.orts. - see that as a *(nch of )r(nk g(&s
'anting to get on the action after the fact to forget
T8,Y 'erenCt the ones 'ho 'ere the foc(s of a)(%ation.
S(O
;I of 22; Yoga Conference.32.;I
Donn& Simon (Shakti Das, 9/@/99 1212@@ >"#
!s - see it
S(/ is against +io%ence an) e0.%oitation to 'omen an)
has artic(%ate) her o..osition 'e%% as 'e%% as creating
a %ong %ist of a*(ses.
!%tho(gh one co(%) nit.ik some of the things on the
%ist as *eing +io%ence on%& to 'omen (s(ch as 'ar,
)iscrimination, infantci)e, etc#, - think that it is safe to
sa& that e+er&one here agrees 'ith S(/ that +io%ence
an) e0.%oitation of 'omen as 'e%% as of men is *est
en)e).
No' if - am 'rong a*o(t that, .%ease %et (s kno'. So
ass(ming this is correct, i.e., that 'e are serio(s a*o(t DE-NF
something to change this, the ne0t 2(estion 'o(%) *e to
foc(s on ho' ('hi%e contin(ing to *emoan the sit(ation
ma& *e sim.%& a )i+ersion#.
-Cm tr&ing to foc(s this (not contro% it for an& other
(%terior moti+es#. -f 'e are th(s (nite) in the goa%, then
%et me tr& to %ist some .ro.osa%s
1# To ascertain the ca(se of this o..ression to 'omen i.e., is it
5(st men in genera%, or certain kin)s of menD 3hat factors
make or .rogram these kin) of men +ers(s another kin)D
Can .ositi+e con)itions *e reinforce)D Can those 'ho ha+e
*ecome negati+e%& .rogramme) *e re.rogramme)D etcD
2# -f it is 5(st .h&sio%ogica% an) genetic i.e., a%% men are
o..ressi+e, then 'hat can 'e )o in the c(%t(re to .rotect
'omen more short of e0termination of men as a genetic
fai%(reD
3# -s .ornogra.h& a .rimar& ca(se of +io%ence to 'omen or
in some cases )oes it act(a%%& )istract men from
+io%ence (thr( .ro+i)ing an o(t%et# or *othD
@# -f .ornogra.h& is a ma5or contri*(tor (remem*er +io%ence
an) o..ression to 'omen e0iste) for ages .re+io(s to
the e0istence of the internet an) mo)ern mass me)ia
.ornogra.h&#, then ho' 'o(%) contro%%ing its )istri*(tion
*e im.%emente) 'itho(t a constit(tiona% amen)mentD 3o(%)
.re+enting s(ch set a )angero(s .rece)ent for
go+ernment to f(rther %imit/*an %iterat(re an) tho(ghtD Er
simi%ar%& can s(ch %imitations or c(r*s *e instit(te)
'itho(t a constit(tiona% amen)mentD 3hat are the iss(es
in enforcement, costs, an) other si)e effectsD
=# 3hat is the engine that )ri+es .ornogra.h& to)a& an) ho'
)o 'e )i+ert its f(e%D -s that engine (this is m& o'n
'hack& i)ea# rea%%& fe) thro(gh negati+e .rogramming of
'hat is .rimari%& innocent se0(a% )esire i.e., it isnCt the
ma%e .h&sio%og& that is .rimari%& at fa(%t, *(t rather
the negati+e .rogramming an) con)itioning aro(n) this
.h&sio%og& that creates the f(e% for the .orno engines.
K# -f = is tr(e, then 'hat socia% factors can *e change) to
a# .re+ent more fo))er for the .orno in)(str&
*# create some sort of )e-.rogramming faci%it& for those
'ho are a))icte) to .orn.
;# 3hat factors *esi)es .orn an) se0(a% re.ression are
res.onsi*%e to'ar) +io%ence an) e0.%oitation to 'omen
an) can 'e i)entif& those an) then effecti+e%& )ea%
'ith them as 'e%%.
The a*o+e foc(s .oints might *e he%.f(%. "& .re5()ice in
the matter is that a%% of this stems from a +io%ation
of ahimsa (+io%ence to the %ife force# an) once this has
*een interna%i/e) in the h(man *eingCs *o)&/min) then it
manifests a%so in +io%ent or *r(ta% *eha+ior. 1(t -
a%rea)& state) m& o.inion.
No' in the a*o+e, 'as an attem.t at a s(mmar& foc(s. 3hat
fo%%o's is m& o'n o.inion on%&.
The reason that - create) this to.ic is *eca(se as a
societ& 'e are )&sf(nctiona% on this to.ic i.e., 'e are
%ea)ing the entire 'or%) in marita% +io%ence, se0(a%
+io%ence, an) +io%ence in genera% )es.ite ha+ing the
highest incarceration rate in the 'or%). !%so 5(st the
(n)er%&ing c(rrent of ha+ing frightene) 'omen an) angr&
men a%% aro(n) *rings me )o'n. - )onCt 'ant to %i+e in
s(ch a societ&.
-f - fe%t that the go+ernment 'as act(a%%& 'orking on
these ca(ses, -C) .(t m& hee%s (. on the )esk an) )ro.
this rea% 2(ick. The fact the& are not, *eca(se the& )o not
ha+e a c%(e. The& )onCt ha+e a c%(e, *eca(se the +oters 'ho
e%ect them )onCt ha+e a c%(e.
Those +er& fe' .eo.%e 'ho are in the fie%) of se0(a%
.atho%og& are not %istene) to nor f(n)e), *eca(se it
seems that the genera% .o.(%ace is not intereste) in
treating ca(ses, *(t rather s&m.toms i.e., in the form of
*igger go+ernment s(ch as more %a's, more .risons, more
.o%ice, an) more re.ression. -t seems that the i)ea of
origina% sin an) 4*a) see)4 fit in nice%& 'ith a)+ocates
for more go+ernment .o'ers, a .o%ice state, an) more
re.ressi+e %egis%ation, more .o%ice, 5ai%s, 'ire ta.s, internet
censorshi., an) simi%ar. 3hat is the engine that .o'ers
these reactions (- am not %(m.ing an&one here on this
conference as *eing reactionar& *(t rather am ta%king
in genera%#.
,+er&time another &o(ng gir% is ki)na..e), e+er&time
there is another ra.e, e+er&time another shooting
inci)ent in the schoo%s occ(r, e+er&time some one goes
.osta%, there is 'i)es.rea) ta%k a*o(t >B,<,NT-NF this
+io%ence from occ(rring. This ta%k is *ig, *(t 'hat a*o(t
an&thing a %itt%e more in )e.th. Does .re+ention mean
sim.%& %ocking e+er&one (. a %itt%e tighter i.e., a *igger
go+ernment .o'er o+er the in)i+i)(a%, or can 'e entertain
a more f(nctiona% an) efficient mo)e of .re+ention that
)ea%s 'ith the ca(sesD
-n other 'or)s, if 'e (n)erstoo) (not 5(stifie)#'h& .eo.%e )o
these things in the first .%ace, 'h& the& fee% +io%ent,
then (as %ong as it isnCt nat(ra% *(t rather con)itione)#
then 'e can .ro.ose reme)ies. -n this conte0t 'ho%istic
*o)&/min) mo)a%ities s(ch as chi gong, &oga, $(nctiona%
-ntegration, Neo-Beichian 'ork, an)/or simi%ar other s(ch
integrati+e a..roaches offer greater ho.e than ignoring
the 4.ro*%em4 f(rther an)/or a..roaching the sit(ation as a
crimina%/.ena% s&stem .ro*%em.
Eh &es, m& missing .ost, - remem*er that - .ro.ose) .orn
a))iction to *e consi)ere) more of a .(*%ic hea%th
.ro*%em. Then .erha.s those 'ho recogni/e) this as a
)&sf(nction co(%) ha+e easier access to treatment -- sort
of a 12 ste. for .orn a))iction (not that - think 12 ste. itse%f
is an a)+ance) .rogram#.
- see that there is a re%(ctance *& some to ta%k a*o(t
ca(ses (of +io%ence or of .orn#, is it that *i/arre or 'hat
is 5(st ta%king 4a*o(t4 it too fear ri))en or )ist(r*ingD
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, 9/=/99 1039=0 >"#
Donn&,
Thank &o( for &o(r tho(ghtf(% re.%&. - ha+e )eci)e) to
sto. .osting on the iss(e of .ornogra.h&. - am 'ear& of
arg(ing an) - am s(re &o( (an) the others# are 'ear& as
'e%%.
- ha+e )eci)e) to take m& energies on this iss(e to the
fo%ks 'ho ackno'%e)ge the .ro*%em an) are tr&ing to )o
something a*o(t it. Ene has to act in accor)ance 'ith
oneCs heart.
Namaste
S(O
I0 of 22; Yoga Conference.32.I0
S(Oett ,ste%% (s(/ co&ote, 9/=/99 10@23I >"#
!n)...- %eft o(t the most im.ortant .oint.
Thank &o( a%%, sincere%&, for *eing here as - sorte) this
o(t for m&se%f.
S(O
9oni 1(rnett (mothra13, 9/K/99 K31=9 >"#
8e%%o thereW "& name is 9oni, an) - ha+e *een rea)ing the
+ario(s .osts thro(gho(t this site for a fe' 'eeks no'.
En%& this threa) has rea%%& .rom.te) a re.%&. 9et me
a.o%ogi/e in a)+ance to those of &o( 'ho - am going to
.iss off. -Cm s(re there 'i%% *e a fe'.
- am one of the fe' 'omen - kno' of in m& .eer gro(.
that has not *een ra.e), se0(a%%& a*(se), coerce) into se0
or 'hate+er. !n) &et, - m(st 2(estion some of the i)eas
f%oating aro(n) on this threa) in regar)s to *anning
.ornogra.h&.
$irst of a%%, %ets ta%k a*o(t 'hat mean *& .ornogra.h&. "&19;;
3e*sterCs Ne' Co%%egiate Dictionar& )efines .ornogra.h&
as 1 - The )e.iction of erotic *eha+ior (as in .ict(res or
'riting# inten)e) to ca(se se0(a% e0citement. 2 - "ateria% (as
*ooks or a .hotogra.h# that )e.icts erotic *eha+ior an)
is inten)e) to ca(se se0(a% e0citement.
So are &o( 'anting to )o a'a& 'ith !99 .ornogra.h&D Er
)o &o( 5(st 'ant to *an chi%) .ornogra.h&D 3hat a*o(t
)e.ictions of ra.eD SV" materia%D $etish maga/inesD 3hat
a*o(t 8(st%er, E(i, >%a&*o& an) %ets not forget >%a&gir%.
3hat a*o(t those steam& 8ar%e2(in romances 'ith
.ict(res of $a*io on the front co+erD 3hat a*o(t the
'ritings of !nne Bice - an) - )onCt 5(st mean her 4S%ee.ing
1ea(t&4 SV" *ooks .enne) (n)er the nome )e .%(me of !.N.
Bo2(e%are. 3here )o &o( )ra' the %ine on 'hat is
.ornogra.hic. - can ass(re &o( that &o(r %ines ('hoe+er
&o( ma& *e# are )ifferent than mine.
- 'ant to gi+e &o( a *it of *ackgro(n). - am coming into
this con+ersation co%). None of &o( kno' 'ho - am. - am 33,
fema%e, an) ha+e *een .racticing 1())hism for a*o(t 3 &ears,
an) &oga for a*o(t 1-1/2 &ears. - am not a +egetarian. - am not a 4
goo)4 1())hist or a 4goo)4 &ogini.
- starte) st()&ing 'itchcraft or 'icca 'hen - 'as a*o(t1@. -
got into it for a%% the 'rong reasons, *(t - ma)e it
thro(gh ok, an) got on track. >art of 'hat attracte) me to
'icca 'as the Fo))ess. - f(%%& re5ecte) a%% .atriarcha%
tra)itions for man& &ears. - ha) a tattoo of Fo))ess, as
.roof that no ma%e go) 'o(%) e+er ho%) s'a& o+er m&
%ife. Years %ater, - 'o(%) a)) a tattoo of Fo) as a
remin)er that Fo) is neither an) &et *oth. 1a%ance. - 'as
not raise) in an& re%igio(s tra)ition. - am not a
reco+ering an&thing. - ha+e s.ent m& %ife checking o(t
+ario(s .hi%oso.hies an) am 5(st 'hat - am. ,c%ectic (rea)
conf(se) - *(t a'are of it#. - ha+e 'hat (after rea)ing the
.re+io(s .osts# seems %ike an a'f(% confession to make. -
%ike se0. !n) &o( kno' 'hat is 'orseD - %ike rea)ing
a*o(t se0. Yes, there - ha+e sai) it. - (se .ornogra.h&.
S'aiting to *e str(ck )o'n *& %ightningS
ET, -C%% contin(e then. Yo( kno' m& fa+orite st(ff is the
!nne Bice SV" *ooks, *(t - %ike other st(ff as 'e%%. "&
.artner has a stack of maga/ines. Sho(%) 'e e+en *roach
the to.ic of a)(%t to&sD Does this make me a .er+ertD !
mora% )egenerateD Someone 'ho .er.etrates +io%ence
against 'omenD Ek, a .er+ert ma&*e. Does that make me
a*norma%D
Ene )a&, a fe' &ears ago, right after - starte) st()&ing
1())hism, - ha) a gran) re+e%ation. - !" NET 9-T, ET8,B
>,E>9,. - am not ki))ing. This 'as a mon(menta% s(r.rise
to me. "& frien)s ha) a great %a(gh 'ith this. 43e co(%)
ha+e to%) &o( that.4 Fee. Thanks. - (se) to 'orr& that - 'as
insane. Then - fig(re) o(t that the on%& )ifference
*et'een me an) most other .eo.%e is that - %ack mo)est&
or a sense of caring a*o(t 'hat is .ro.er in the Norm. -
think most of (s ha+e the same tho(ghts, - ha+e 5(st
ne+er *een afrai) to ta%k a*o(t them. This makes a %ot
of .eo.%e (ncomforta*%e. -t took me a %ong time to
fig(re that o(t.
Since that earth shattering )isco+er&W - ha+e fo(n) that
'hat se.arates (s (.eo.%e# is not so m(ch 'hat 'e think
a*o(t *(t 'hat 'e act(a%%& ta%k a*o(t in the o.en, an)
ho' g(i%t& 'e fee% a*o(t *oth. "ost .eo.%e on%& ha+e to
fee% g(i%t& a*o(t 'hat goes on in their o'n hea). - ha)
the common )isco(rtes& to act(a%%& ta%k a*o(t 'hat 'as
going on in m& hea).
"an& 'omen 'i%% not o.en%& a)mit to %ooking at .orn -
m(ch %ess %iking it. -t is consi)ere) to *e (n%a)&%ike.
!mora%. 3horish. 3o(%) &o( 'ant to *e %a*e%e) this 'a&D
No, so &o( kee. &o(r mo(th sh(t. "en 'ho %ike at .orn are
5()ge) to *e either a# 7(st a norma% g(& 'ith an
o+eracti+e se0 )ri+e. *# Some .oor )es.erate h(nch*ack
schm(ck 'ho canCt get a chick. Er c# ! hate an) %(st
fi%%e) sa)o-masochistic .e)o.hi%e 5(st 'aiting to
e0.%o)e on o(r &o(th.
!gain - ha+e to ask &o( tho(gh - 'hat is &o(r )efinition
of .ornD Tama S(tra +i)eosD !t 'hat .oint )oes f(n .ass
o+er into o(tright .er+ersionD 3ho gets to )eci)eD The
f(n)ies (.ick &o(r f%a+or - there are man&#D. Feneration UD
>ema Cho)ron sa&s that a%% of o(r ne(rosis, o(r hang-(.s,
o(r fa(%ts are 'hat makes (s 'ho 'e are. The& are the
too%s for 'aking (.. - *e%ie+e this. "& +ie's on se0 an)
)r(gs an) m(sic an) .orn change as - get o%)er, as m&
%ife e0.erience gro's. >artia%%& the& change *eca(se -
engage in se%f e0amination an) &oga - .artia%%& 5(st 'ith
the .assage of time. "a&*e the fact that - %ike se0 is
a hang (.. "a&*e in 20 or 30 more &ears, - 'i%% gi+e (. on se0, an)
meat, an) *e a 4.erfecte) *eing4 - -Cm not ho%)ing m& *reath
tho(gh.
- 'as 5(st rea)ing a *ook *& TT< Desikachar (The 8eart of
Yoga#. Ene .art sa&s that 4Ene ma& ask, is it an e0.ression
of asmita (the ego# 'hen someone *egins &oga *eca(se he or
she 'ants to *e *etterD S(ch a 2(estion ma& %ea) (s to
im.ortant )isco+eries a*o(t the meaning of a+i)&a (
non-)(a%ism#. 3e are s(*5ect to a+i)&a, an) 'hen 'e notice
that - )irect%& or in)irect%& - it *ecomes c%ear to (s that
'e ha+e to )o something a*o(t it. Sometimes o(r first
ste. is the nee) to *ecome *etter or fee% more
accom.%ishe). -t is no )ifferent from someone sa&ing, 4- am
.oor, *(t -C) %ike to *ecome rich,4 or 4-C) %ike to *ecome a )octor.4
- )o(*t that there is an&one 'ho rea%%& )oes not 'ant
to im.ro+e himse%f, an) e+en if o(r first ste. s.rings
from the )esire to *ecome *etter an) is therefore
roote) in the ego, it is sti%% a right ste. *eca(se it
takes (s on the first r(ng of the &oga %a))er.4
The reason - fo(n) this re%e+ant is that 'e can ta%k
a*o(t ho' to sto. .orn an) e+er&thing e%se (nti% 'e
im.%o)e, *(t &o( cannot change someone e%se. The& ha+e to
'ant to change. "a&*e it (the )esire to change into
something *etter than 'hat 'e are# is a tota%%& egoistic
)ri+e, *(t as the o%) a)age sa&s, 4&o( can %ea) a horse to
'ater, *(t &o( canCt make him )rink4. Yo( cannot %egis%ate the
mora%it& of another. Yo( can change the a+ai%a*i%it& of
things (se0, )r(gs, foo)# in an attem.t to enforce &o(r mora%
co)e on e+er&one e%se aro(n) &o( - *(t &o( ha+e not )ea%t
'ith the f(n)amenta% 2(a%ities that attract them to
s(ch things. Nor is it necessari%& &o(r .%ace to )o so. -
)o not 2(estion that ancient missionaries ha) goo)
intentions 'hen the& chose to con+ert the nati+e
.eo.%es to their faith, *(t )oes that make it rightD -n
the conte0t of &oga an) res.ect for another (an) their
*e%iefs# - cannot *e%ie+e that it )oes. 3ho am 4-4 to )eci)e
'hat e+er&one e%se sho(%) *e%ie+eD To 2(ote another *a)
a)age, 4The .ath to 8e%% is .a+e) 'ith goo) intentions.4
-n his *ook, Desikachar a%so )efines ahimsa (or non+io%ence
as is common%& trans%ate)#. 4The 'or) ahimsa means 4in5(stice4
or 4cr(e%t&,4 *(t ahimsa is more than sim.%& the a*sence of
himsa 'hich the .refi0 a- s(ggests. !himsa is more than
5(st a %ack of +io%ence. -t means kin)ness, frien)%iness,
an) tho(ghtf(% consi)eration of other .eo.%e an) things.
3e m(st e0ercise 5()gment 'hen thinking a*o(t ahimsa. -t
)oes not necessari%& im.%& that 'e sho(%) no eat meat
or fish or that 'e sho(%) not )efen) o(rse%+es. -t
sim.%& means that 'e m(st a%'a&s *eha+e 'ith
consi)eration an) attention to others.4
YogaS(/ asks, 43hat is so )ifferent *et'een .ornogra.h& an)
1a&'atchD4 -C%% go f(rtherW 3hat is the )ifference *et'een
.orn an) CosmoD F[D "a0imD <og(eD Teen "issD -n m& o.inion,
these are far more insi)io(s so(rces of sho'ing 4norma%4
.eo.%e 'hat 'e are a%% s(..ose) to %ook %ike. 3hat a*o(t
*eer commercia%s, .osters of mo)e%s, the S.orts -%%(strate)
s'ims(it iss(eD - co(%) go on for 2(ite a %ist.
1efore &o( sen) off that f%aming hate mai%, %et me sa&
that - )o not a..ro+e in an& 'a& sha.e or form of chi%)
.ornogra.h&. - )onCt a..ro+e rea% ra.e +i)eos. 8e%%, 'hen it
comes right )o'n to it, - )onCt a..ro+e of the s(.er mo)e%s
'ho )ress an) 'ear make(. to %ook %ike an)rog&no(s
.re.(*escent 12 &ear o%) gir%s, *(t - am fat an) ha+e an
iss(e 'ith this. So s(e me - an) -Cm s(re there m(st *e a
goo) %ist of reasons *& no'.
- ha+e *een to a stri. c%(* 'ith m& %o+er, an) ta%ke) to
some of the 'omen there. Some are there for the mone&.
Some act(a%%& ha+e f(n. Ca%% me strange, *(t if - ha) the
*o)&, - 'o(%) consi)er it. 9ooks %ike f(n. S(e me. The .oint
is - not e+er& fema%e fee%s +ictimi/e). Some gir%s 'ork
there *eca(se the& can make %ots of mone&. See
attachment in the )ictionar&. The& ha+e the choice to )o
something e%se an) %i+e 'ithin their means. No one 'as
forcing an& of these gir%s to stri..
1(t coming *ack to maga/ines, if &o( 'ant to %ook at mags
that sho' 'omen 'ith *ig *oo*s, knock &o(rse%f o(t. -f
&o( 'ant to 'atch the act of coit(s to *a) ;0Cs m(sic - *e m&
g(est. >orn an) se0 to&s can *e (se) an) the& can *e
mis(se), 5(st %ike an&thing e%se. Sometimes se0(a%
thera.ists teach their c%ients ho' to (se these items
in or)er to )e+e%o. a hea%th& se0 %ife. 7(st *eca(se its
)one missionar& )oesnCt make it hea%th&.
-t 'o(%) *e so eas& to sa&, 4Yo( )onCt 'ant &o(r ki)s to see
it on T< - get a *o04 or 4Yo( )onCt 'ant &o(r ki)s to see it on
the net - get one of those .rograms that restricts the
sites the& can %ook at to ones &o( ha+e a%rea)&
a..ro+e).4 - )o agree 'ith these statements to a .oint
1:T - &o( ha+e to rea%i/e that that 'onCt so%+e a%% &o(r
.ro*%ems. 3hen - 'as a &o(ng se0(a%%& intereste) ki), -
sto%e .ornogra.hic maga/ines from the store. -f &o(r
ki)s 'ant it that *a)%&, the& 'i%% get access to it no
matter 'hat. -f the& ha+e frien)s at schoo%, or )o'n the
street - the& 'i%% *e e0.ose). Yo( 'ant to %ock (. the
a)(%t )o'n the street for sho'ing them .entho(seD 3hat
a*o(t the 1K &ear o%) 'ho sho's it to a 12 &ear o%). 3hat a*o(t
one 12 &ear o%) sho'ing it to another. 3hat - am sa&ing is,
&es things can *e )one a*o(t it, *(t the& m(st *e
reasona*%e things. Things concei+e) of 'ith caref(%
tho(ght an) not 5(st emotiona% reaction. Someone 'i%%
a%'a&s get h(rt 'hen &o(r %a's are mis(se). !n) *e s(re
that the& 'i%% *e. 3hat a*o(t an 1I &ear o%) *o& an) his 1; &ear
o%) gir%frien). -f the& ha+e *een se0(a%%& in+o%+e)
*efore he t(rns 1I, ho' )o &o( 5(stif& making this a crimeD
Ene .ossi*%e (tho(gh not rea%istic# so%(tion 'o(%) *e to
make a %a' that a%% .orn ha) to *e on .ri+ate sites, that
re2(ire) mem*ershi. +erification. Charge the he%% o(t of
them if &o( 'ish. -f &o( are 1K an) mom an) )a) gi+e &o(
eno(gh mone& to *(& a fake -D an) a .orn s(*scri.tion,
'here )oes the rea% .ro*%em %ieDD - can get &o( a fake -D
in %ess than 2@ ho(rs.
!n) ho' 'i%% &o( %egis%ate .orn on the net. Yo( can
%egis%ate 'hat ha..ens in the :S!, *(t 'hat a*o(t a%%
those other co(ntriesD !n) 5(st *eca(se &o( can
%egis%ate it here at home, )oesnCt mean &o( can enforce it.
!nother .ossi*%e so%(tion 'o(%) *e to sto. se%%ing .orn
at 8astings or other retai% stores that .(t it o(t in
the o.en. Se%% .orn at .orn sho.s. Not at fami%&
entertainment stores. - 'o(%) *e ha..& if the& 5(st ke.t
the st(ff o(t of the ki)s reach. -n m& %oca% store, Yoga
7o(rna% sits right ne0t to the .orn maga/ines. 1& the
same token, if &o( are going to restrict 'here it can *e
so%), &o( m(st sti%% *e reasona*%e. -n the to'n - %i+e in,
the& ha+e +er& restricti+e %a's on 'here &o( can ha+e a
.orn sho.. No one 'ants it too c%ose to them, or to their
ch(rch or the schoo%s. Ene of the sho.s here in to'n ha)
to mo+e i%%ega%%& the first time to get a %arger store,
an) *(& their ne' %ocation thro(gh a thir) .art&
*eca(se no one 'ante) to se%% them the %an). The *est
'a& to e%iminate a *%ack market )eman) for something is
not to create one in the first .%ace. -f &o( think &o(
can e%iminate .orn, a%coho% an) to*acco tomorro' 'ith
%egis%ation, - 'o(%) %ike to .oint &o( to some +er& nice
histor& *ooks on .rohi*ition. 3e are a nation of a))icts
an) cons(mers an) 4Cons(mer !))icts4. 8e%%, *an [<C 'hi%e &o(r
at it.
1ack to m& stri..er frien)s. - sai) no one 'as forcing
them to stri.. That is tr(e an) (ntr(e. No one 'as
ho%)ing a g(n to their hea). - 'as 'rong. Yo( 'ant them
to )o something e%seD >a& them more mone& for 4%egitimate4
'ork. >osing in >%a&*o& o.ens a %ot of )oors for some
'omen. Yo( 'ant them to sto.D E.en other )oors. 1(t
rea%i/e that 'hen some 'omen take these other 4.ro.er4
)oors, there 'i%% *e a mi%%ion others 'i%%ing to take
their .%ace. Yo( ha+e not sto..e) an&thing. Yo( are 5(st
rotating the mo)e%s. Tho(gh that ma& *e goo) for sa%es.
- s(..ose m& (%timate .oint is, that the on%& .erson &o(
ha+e an& contro% o+er is &o(rse%f. - agree that e+er&one
sho(%) *e a*%e to .rotect their chi%)ren an) %o+e) ones.
- ha+e 2 go)chi%)ren - am +er& attache) to. - 'orr& a*o(t
'hat the 'or%) 'i%% *e %ike for them, *(t - )o not see
the nee) or .ractica%it& to te%% e+er&one e%se in m&
cit&, state or co(ntr& ho' to *eha+e or *e%ie+e in or)er
to raise these chi%)ren right.
- )onCt 'ant to *e force) to *e a Christian, or a "os%em or
e+en a 8in)(. Yo( *et - g(ar) m& .ersona% free)oms
5ea%o(s%&. 7(st as &o( are tr&ing to g(ar) &o(r .ersona%
free)oms an) *e%iefs. This is not a safe 'or%) in 'hich
'e %i+e. 1(t it -S the 'or%) in 'hich 'e %i+e. There is
no other. The trick is %earning to %i+e in the 'or%) 'e
ha+e.
Yes, - think it 'o(%) *e great if more .eo.%e 'ere nice,
an) 'e%% a)5(ste) an) me)itate) an) .ractice) &oga. 3e
sho(%) certain%& make those o.tions a+ai%a*%e to as
man& .eo.%e as 'ant them. 1(t if &o( *e%ie+e in free
'i%%, &o( m(st rea%i/e that not man& .eo.%e 'i%% take
this o.tion. 1eca(se it is 'ork. Se%f e0amination is har)
an) .ainf(%.
The roa) to e%iminating .ornogra.h& has %itt%e or
nothing to )o 'ith *anning maga/ines. The roa) to
e%iminating .ornogra.h& is m(ch %onger an) m(ch more
com.%e0. -t has to )o 'ith changing .eo.%e. !n) most
.eo.%e )o not 'ant to *e change). - am not sa&ing that
&o(r goa% is *a), - am sa&ing that &o(r %ogic is fa(%t&. -
am the first one to a)mit that se0 can *e a h(ge
)istraction for me. 1(t not *eing a*%e to *(& a
maga/ine is not going to change m& %(st factor. -
serio(s%& )o(*t that it 'i%% change an&one e%ses either.
-t is a%so im.ortant to rea%i/e that "en are not the
on%& cons(mers of .ornogra.h&. That is .art of the
reason - chose to 'rite this %etter. - am not ashame) of
an&thing - ha+e )one (or am sti%% )oing#. Yo( cannot
)emoni/e the .eo.%e 'ho *(& .ornogra.h&. Eh, &o( can -
s(..ose - an) &o( can e+en 'in the *att%e an) make s(re
that .eo.%e see (s for the misg(i)e), st(ck, (nen%ightene)
.eo.%e 'e rea%%& are. 1(t sometimes 'hen &o( 'in - &o(
%oose. Think a*o(t 'hat the 'or) &oga means. To (nite. -f
&o(r strateg& is )i+i)e an) con2(er - &o( misse) the *oat
a%together.
1ack to Desikachars )efinition of ahimsa for a momentW
The )ictionar& - referre) to ear%ier )efines 4consi)erate4
as *eing 4tho(ghtf(% of the rights an) fee%ings of others.4
- )onCt %ike a %ot of 'hat other .eo.%e think. - ma& not
agree 'ith their i)eas on .o%itics or re%igion or
a*ortion or 'hate+er - *(t - 'o(%) rather attem.t to %i+e
in consi)eration an) to%erance of their i)eas than
*ecome the same kin) of 4tho(ght .o%ice4. - ma& %oose the
*att%e of go+ernance o+er others, *(t - 'i%% ha+e 'on the
'ar of go+ernance o+er se%f.
- agree that SsomeS things nee) to change. - 'o(%) %o+e to
see an en) to chi%) .ornogra.h&. - 'o(%) %o+e to see an
en) to ra.e ('hich has more to )o 'ith .o'er an) contro%
than se0 - *(t that is another matter#. There is a *(nch of
st(ff on the net that - 'o(%) .ro*a*%& fin) .rett&
re.(%si+e. - ha+enCt *othere) to %ook (. the images.
- 5(st sa' e+er&one here arg(ing. >eo.%e 'ho - ha) come
to kno' in a short time as 'on)erf(% &ogic .eo.%e. Yo(r
.osts e+er&'here e%se ha+e seeme) so 'arm an) %o+ing to
one another. "& intent 'as not to (.set an&one. Not to
acc(se. 7(st to *ring (s a%% *ack to center. Yo( 'i%%
ne+er agree 'ith e+er&one. Yo( 'i%% ne+er %ike e+er&one.
1(t 'hen &o( sto. *eing ci+i% to an&oneW 'ho has tr(%&
%ostD
3hen - 'as in co%%ege the secon) time aro(n), - ma)e a
frien) name) Teresa. E+er a fe' months 'e *ecame 2(ite
c%ose. Ene )a& she sa' the *(m.er stickers on m& tr(ck - 4
1orn !gain >agan4 an) 4The Fo))ess is !%i+e an) "agic is
!foot4. She to%) me she 'as g%a) she got to kno' me *efore
she sa' those. She 'o(%) ha+e 5()ge) me a *a) .erson an)
ne+er s.oken to me. - 'as gratef(% for her honest&. - 'as
a%so gratef(% that 'e got to kno' each other as frien)s
*efore 'e got to kno' each other as the %a*e%s 'e gi+e
one another. $or those of &o( 'hom - ha+e offen)e), (as 'e%%
as those - ha+e not# - ho.e to meet &o( at a &oga
conference some )a& as the 'on)erf(% .eo.%e 'e rea%%&
are, *efore 'e see each other as o(r %a*e%s.
Namaste.
9oni
T(h% Bant (crota%(s, 9/K/99 ;21@= >"#
3here to )ra' the %ineD !&e Ctis the 2(estion. CanCt go
aro(n) 'ith han)s o+er the ki))ieCs e&es a%% the time,
h(hD Takes a %ot of 'ork to offset the negati+es that
a..ear in the .arenting en+ironment *(t thatCs .art of
the 5o* - s(..ose. Sti%% the& get con)itione) - itCs the
,%ectronic heroin
most%&.
Foo) ta hear from &a. Nice ta ha+e &o( 'riting as 'e%%
as rea)ing here. 3hat e%se &a got for (sD 3hatcha think of
,richCs st&%e of &ogaD
8ereCs a %itt%e )ifferent take on the "i))%e 3a& st(ff
&o( might en5o&. Not, min) &o(, that - hang there rea%%& -
sorta .refer this stance as o..ose) to the ren(nciation
.erch.
8eh (crota%(s, 9/K/99 ;333K >"#
Notice) the Oen T< ,0.eriment %ink (in the ,8 ref in HI2A#
'as *(ste) an) fo(n) this time%& .ic r(nning )o'n the
ne' %ink

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Crash Th(n)er Boar Crack%e (Shakti Das, 9/;/99 10@I=9 !"#
9oni
Namaste
9oni, goo) to hear from &o(. - a..reciate &o(r s.irit,
co(rage, an) e%(ci)ation on 'hat for too man& of (s is an
emotiona%%& charge) s(*5ect (often .re+enting foc(s an)
creati+e .ro*%em so%+ing#. - es.ecia%%& %ike) &o(r
)isc(ssion of ahimsa. 1eing kin) to o(rse%+es an) not
harming o(rse%+es is a *asic starting .oint, *(t if 'e
are at 'ar insi)e, it is )iffic(%t to s.ontaneo(s%& share
it 'ith others. Th(s - agree this is a goo) %earning
sit(ation for a%% of (s.
Yes, - agree that .ain is a mechanism that te%%s (s that
something is 'rong, 'hi%e .%eas(re (s(a%%& is its re%ease(
of .ain# or te%%s (s that something is right. No' the min)
can get those conf(se) (the 'ires crosse) or
misinter.rete)#, *(t the *o)& )oesnCt. So 'hen o(r .h&sio%og&
at .(*ert& te%%s (s one thing, *(t the censors, .arents,
a(thorit&, *e%ief s&stems, con+entiona% 'is)om, or s(.er ego
te%%s (s another, then 'e start to either
1# )istr(st the *o)& an) nat(ra% instincts e+en f(rther
2# start to a)o.t a *o)& negati+e, .%eas(re negati+e, nat(re
negati+e, an) .ain .ositi+e *e%ief s&stem fearing the
instincts an) *o)& as *ase an) )angero(s.
3# *ecome conf(se) an) )isem.o'ere) (4norma%4 teenager#
@# tr& to com.romise an) a)a.t %i+ing tr&ing to %i+e 'ith a
certain a%%o'a*%e amo(nt of g(i%t an) shame.
=# )istr(st the societ& an) a(thorit& an) start to 2(estion
a(thorit&
K# *ecome a 'antom he)onist an) re*e%
These are of co(rse not a%% the .ossi*i%ities, *(t man&
'hich - ha+e o*ser+e). The .oint is that if 'e )en& that
nat(ra% an) innocent as.ect of %ife an) the *o)& at
ear%& age in or)er to satisf& 4a(thorit& fig(res4 then this
)is-association has man& .ossi*%e conse2(ences.
!)(%ts an) es.ecia%%& .arents 4forget4 ho' it 'as 'hen the&
'ere &o(ng. - es.ecia%%& remem*er a frien) 'ho - )ate) in
m& ear%& t'enties 'ho (se) to com.%ain to me ho'
straight, re.ressi+e, restricti+e, an) .r()ish her .arents
'ere (in attem.ting to restrict her se0(a% free)om#. !*o(t 20
&ears %ater, - 'ittnesse) her )o the same or 'orse to her
o'n teen age) )a(ghter, *(t 'hen - trie) to *ring (. the 4
chi%)Cs +ie'4 remin)ing her of ho' she 'as 'hen she 'as
that age. she freake) o(t 'ith anger to'ar) me.
1eca(se - am in m& fifties, - ha+e seen this same
s&n)rome occ(r 'ith man& of frien)s 'ho e+ent(a%%&
*ecame .arents. "& o*ser+ation is that *eing a 4.arent4
carries 'ith it a 4res.onsi*i%it& an) .ossi*%e too often
g(i%t fee%ings 'here the .arent )isassociates their o'n
a)o%escence an) no' i)entifies 'ith the 4goo)4 .arent.
No' - am not fa(%ting 4.arents4, *(t sharing m& o*ser+ation
of this han) me )o'n 4anoma%&. 1eca(se
- )onCt ha+e this )&namic o.erating in %ife, - (s(a%%&
sti%% %ook at e0terna%%& im.ose) se0(a% restraint from
the .oint of +ie' of the chi%), *(t 'hen - )onCt share
this 'ith m& 4.arent4 frien)s an& more *eca(se the& (s(a%%&
)onCt take this sit(ation +er& %ight%&.
-n short, &es, the se0(a% )&namics at .(*ert& can
)efinite%& *e a strong inf%(ence on ho' 'e )ea% 'ith
the *o)& an) nat(re in the f(t(re an) that is 'h& this
to.ic seems a..ro.riate here in re%ation to &oga (to
connect *ack (. or re-integrate. Sim.%& - see .orn as a
res(%t of this negati+e con)itioning (not as its ca(se# *(t
'e )o not ha+e to )e*ate .orn at a%% in or)er to get
into the &ogic *io.s&chic (*o)&/min)# )&namics that are
.otentia% .o'erf(% a%%ies in this regar).
3hat - sa&ing a*o(t .orn 'as that too man& .eo.%e are
%i+ing +icario(s%& an) are a))icte) to it as their on%&
o(t%et or connection 'ith their o'n se0(a%it& or e+en
instinct. - fin) that sa) an) - )o not s(ggest
restricting their access rather than tr&ing to
reconnect them 'ith their hea%th& instincts an) %ife
energ& instea).
-n this regar) man& 'ho are se0(a%%& a))icte) are
sim.%& %i+ing in the .ast, (getting 'hat the& nee) 4no'4
*eca(se the& )i)nCt ha+e it 4then4#. - kno' that - s(ffere)
from this ne(rotic se0(a% im.(%se (nti% one )a& that -
a'oke from it (an) that a'akening 'as 2(ite a %i*eration
*eca(se it a%%o'e) me to *e in the .resent an) a%so to
%o+e the other .erson -- as - 'as no %onger coming from
nee)#.
So there is hea%th& an) *eneficia% se0(a% acti+ities
an) there are those 'hich ma& act(a%%& *e a s%a+e. !gain
a'areness e+ent(a%%& %i*erates.
9oni, &es, 'hat &o( sa& - most%& agree 'ith es.ecia%%& in
that one .ersonCs .orn ma& *e some one e%seCs art (%ook
at D.8. 9a'rence for e0am.%e or e+en the 'ritings of se0
e)(cators %ike 3i%he%m Beich#.
-n an&case - fee% that the rea% .ro*%em (se0(a%%& re%ate)
a*(se an) +io%ence# 'i%% on%& go a'a& 'hen 'e as a race
come into hea%th& terms 'ith o(r o'n se0(a%it&, honor it,
an) then *e a*%e to )ea% 'ith it in f(nctiona% terms *&
%essening the 4)iffic(%t&4, .ain, insensiti+it&, ignorance, an)
a*(se that a)o%escentCs s(ffer ()isc(sse) a*o+e#. 3hen this
.ain is not interna%i/e) (an) hence *ro(ght for'ar) into
the f(t(re# then the )e.ri+ation an) .ain in+o%+e) 'i%%
a%so )isa..ear.
:nfort(nate%& as a societ& 'e are +er& far from that
sit(ation, an) the s&m.toms of that g(%f are e+er&'here
a..arent ('itness this +er& conference as an e0am.%e#.
Yo( sai) 4YogaS(/ asks, C3hat is so )ifferent *et'een
.ornogra.h& an) 1a&'atchDC -C%% go f(rtherW 3hat is the
)ifference *et'een .orn an) CosmoD F[D "a0imD <og(eD Teen
"issD -n m& o.inion, these are far more insi)io(s so(rces
of sho'ing 4norma%4 .eo.%e 'hat 'e are a%% s(..ose) to %ook
%ike. 3hat a*o(t *eer commercia%s, .osters of mo)e%s, the
S.orts -%%(strate) s'ims(it iss(eD - co(%) go on for
2(ite a %ist.4
Ye., an) thatCs a +er& cogent .oint. The se0(a% re.ression
is the engine of m(ch mani.(%ation. !sk an& a) e0ec an)
the& kno' that se0 se%%s 6 i.e., it gets .eo.%eCs attentionG -f
&o( ha+e g(i%t a*o(t it, it 'i%% make &o( angr&, *(t if &o(
are too far re.resse) it ma& get &o( a %itt%e
intereste). - sa& if &o( ha+e no re.ressions %eft, it has
+er& %itt%e attraction. -tCs not 5(st a)+ertising that
(ses it, *(t in )ai%& %ife, there is m(ch mani.(%ation
going a*o(t 'ith se0(a% iss(es an) here it is not 5(st
men 'ho mani.(%ate, *(t more often it is 'omen. $rom
"a)onna to the Se0 >isto%s, from se0& office secretaries
'ho got their 5o*s *eca(se of *eing attracti+e to C,Es,
to from neigh*ors, schoo%mates, or mates, se0(a% mani.(%ation
f(e%e) on se0(a% re.ression is (nfort(nate%& +er&
common. Ef co(rse a%% the mani.(%ators are +ictims as
'e%%, sim.%& +ictimi/ing other +ictims. This circ(s goes
aro(n) (nti% 'e 'ake (. an) get off the e0.%oitation
c&c%e an) for man& of (s, this re2(ires (s to a'aken to
o(r o'n se0(a% a*(se (main%& in a)o%escence i.e., 'hen o(r
se0(a% instincts an) *io.s&chic energies 'ere .er+erte)#.
8ence &oga an) .erha.s for some tantra.
No' this is a threa) fort hose 'ho 'ant to e0.%ore this
f(rther. -t isnCt for those 'ho )o not -- no one is force) to
.artici.ate, an) - ho.e it )oesnCt sim.%& *ecome a
homogeneo(s 4c(%t4 of %ike min)e) .eo.%e, *(t rather a .%ace
'here a%% the +ario(s 4takes4 can *e assimi%ate).
8o'e+er m& 4agen)a4 on this to.ic is not the on%& agen)a, so
is there another )irection that is %ess )istracti+e an)
sti%% *e some'hat tr(e to this to.ic threa) of .(tting
together 4tantra &oga an) h(man se0(a% acti+it&4 in
re%ation to YogaD
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more on tantra (Tit S.ahr, 9/I/99 103@30 >"#
-Cm not a &ogic scho%ar so re%& on the 'or)s of others
here (7ose.h 9a>age to start 'ith#W
4Tantra, 'hich 'as a ma5or s.irit(a% inf%(ence in -n)ia
from the Ith to the 13th Cent(r&, takes a (ni2(e .ers.ecti+e on
s.irit(a%it&. 4-f rea%it& (Fo)# is an&'here, it m(st *e
e+er&'here4. $or this reason, Tantra incor.orates a%% the
as.ects of h(man %ife into the s.irit(a% .ath an)
offers the .ossi*i%it& of integration of the s.irit(a%
an) materia% as.ects of %ife. Tantra em.hasi/es the
integration of the )(a%ities 'ithin o(rse%+es inc%()ing
ma%e an) fema%e as.ects an) this is 'h& se0(a% imager&
is an im.ortant motif in the Tantric tra)ition. Tantra
a%so enco(rages the integration of the (nconscio(s or
sha)o' si)e of o(r *eing. $or this reason, the C'rathf(%
)eitiesC of Ti*etan 1())hism are honore) a%ong 'ith the
.eacef(% ones.
This is the e0act o..osite of the 3estern tra)ition
'here 'e are enco(rage) to se.arate o(rse%+es
com.%ete%& from the )e+i% an) from o(r o'n sha)o'.
Tantra re+erse) man& of the tra)itiona% s.irit(a%
i)ea%s of its )a&. -t honore) the fema%e as.ect an)
fema%e )eities in contrast to the .atriarcha% s&stem
an) it honore) se0(a%it& an) other sense .%eas(res as a
.ath to s.irit(a%it&. Ene of the cha%%enges of Tantra is
)ifferentiating *et'een e0.%oring the senses as a .ath
to 'ho 'e tr(%& are, an) in)(%gence an) a))iction to the
senses as an esca.e from seeing 'ho 'e are.4
This %ast %ine - think is the cr(0 of the matterWa%tho(gh
a%% t&.es of &oga ha+e their attractions 'hich can %ea)
to s.irit(a% *%in)ness in some 'a& or another.
8e goes on to sa& %ater in this .ieceW
48atha &oga cannot *e (n)erstoo) f(%%& o(tsi)e the
)e+e%o.ment of Tantrism 'ith its .ositi+e orientation
to'ar)s the *o)& an) its foc(s on a'akening k(n)a%ini.4
3hi%e the se0(a% as.ects of Tantra a..ear to *e the
most titi%%ating, if -Cm not mistaken, the Tantrics 'ere
(n(s(a% in that the& )i)nCt tr& to %ea+e their *o)ies
*ehin) in the search for en%ightenment. 3hich m(st ha+e
%ea) to some sick%& &ogis -Cm *etting.
!n) a%so, if - (n)erstan) correct%&, the energ& of the
secon) chakra, the se0(a% energ& if &o( 'i%%, is energ& of
creation. So if 'e .ractice &oga in or)er to free%&
access a%% of 'ho 'e are an) if - )ra' free%& on that
creati+e energ& - can createWa .ainting, a no+e%, a great
&oga c%ass, a %ife. -n the .ractice of T(n)a%ini &oga (Yogi
1ha5anCs# that creati+e energ& is not EN9Y .%(m*e) as
se0(a% energ& *(t a%so +ie'e) in a 'i)er conte0t. 3hat
fo%%o's is a )escri.tion of 3hite Tantric YogaWat the en)
there is a )iscrimination ma)e *et'een )ifferent t&.es
of tantric energies.
4,n+ision the energ& of the (ni+erse as .ara%%e% or
.er.en)ic(%ar in nat(re, %ike a c%oth 'o+en together. !s a
c%oth *ecomes stronger 'hen it is stretche) on the
)iagona%, so is the 3hite Tantric energ&, )iagona% or 4O4
energ&, stronger. This energ&, 'hen )irecte) *& the "ahan
Tantric, c(ts thro(gh the *%ocks that are st(ck in the
s(*conscio(s min).
:sing the )iagona% 4O4 energ&, the "ahan Tantric, Yogi 1ha5an
connects his s(*t%e *o)& to the s(*t%e *o)ies of the
.artici.ants thro(gh the co(rse faci%itator. This 'orks
the same 'a& as a 'or%) 'i)e te%e.hone s&stem that
re%ies on sate%%ites an) e%ectromagnetic energ& in
or)er to connect t'o .arties.
3hite Tantric Yoga sho(%) not *e conf(se) 'ith *%ack or
re) tantric. These forms of &oga a%so transform energ&, *(t
in a )ifferent 'a& an) for )ifferent .(r.oses. 1%ack
tantric )irects the energ& to mani.(%ate another h(man
*eing, an) re) tantric )irects the energ& so%e%& for
se0(a% .(r.oses.4
-Cm not tr&ing to make an& .oint here s.ecifica%%&, 5(st
a))ing some more st(ff into the tantric mi0.
Tit
IK of 22; Yoga Conference.32.IK
!n asi)e (Tit S.ahr, 9/I/99 10@121 >"#
3hi%e this for(m is a 'on)erf(% .%ace to *e an) a%%o's
for contact *et'een geogra.hica%%& )istant &ogis 'ith
%ots of coo% things to sa&...the )o'nsi)e is that a %ot can
*e %ost in c&*ers.ace...a tone of +oice, a %ook in the e&e, *o)&
%ang(age. - think its eas& to take offense 'here none is
inten)e). - think it is eas& to *e misinter.rete), - kno'
there ha+e *een times in this %ast )isc(ssion here
'here - rea) res.onses to 'hat - t&.e) an) tho(ght
hmmmm...no' - kno' thatCs not 'hat - meant *(t a..arent%&
thatCs ho' it rea)s. -C+e fe%t that on occassion 'e ha+e
)isagree) mighti%& 'ith one another (here an) in other
to.ics# *(t - ha+e ne+er sense) %ack of res.ect.
Tit
Tit
I; of 22; Yoga Conference.32.I;
(s(/ co&ote, 9/I/99 11@@0I >"#
9ori, thanks for &o(r in.(t.
- think a 4goo)4 1())hist or a 4goo)4 Yogini is someone 'ho has
a s.irit(a% .ractice an) is o.en to 'hate+er
transformation the .ractice *rings. This is 'hat
s.irit(a% gro'th is a%% a*o(t. -f a%% one )oes in
.ractice is confirm e0isting 'a&s of thinking, *e%ie+ing
an) acting, there ma& *e hea%th *enefits, *(t %itt%e
s.irit(a% gro'th.
3hen - 'as 33, - *e%ie+e) e0act%& as &o( )o, 9ori, (an) simi%ar%&
(se) .orn - man& .ara%%e%s there 'ith the !nne Bice st(ff.#
3hen - 'as @0, - sti%% *e%ie+e) that 'a&. No' at a%most @K - ha+e
change) - an) the change has come a*o(t since - *egan
)oing &oga serio(s%&. $or me, .ractice has *ro(ght a
)a'ning insight that m& o'n .ersona% +ices (or
.references, if &o( 'i%%# can im.act others in negati+e
'a&s. - )i)nCt .artic(%ar%& 'ant this insight, as - am
the [(een of se%f-centere)ness. This is not a g(i%t-tri.,
*(t sim.%& recognition of m& moti+es. -t 'as 7anis
7o.%in, not me, 'ho sai) 4free)omCs 5(st another 'or) for
nothinC %eft to %ose.4
-Cm not 4against se04 or o(t to %imit an&oneCs se0(a%-se%f
e0.ression ((n%ess it is e0.%oitati+e#. Ene of m& h(s*an)Cs
more en)earing terms for me is 4horn& %itt%e monke&4 (Csc(/e
the re+e%ation, 1o**&#. >art of the h&steria s(rro(n)ing
this iss(e is the )esire to make me o(t to *e some kin)
of re.ressi+e .r()e. Then, - can sim.%& *e )ismisse) as a
re%igio(s fanatic or .io(s h&.ocrite6 e+er&one can %a(gh
an) go on a*o(t their *(siness.
En%&, -Cm not .io(s6 -Cm not a .r()e an) -Cm )efinite%& not
re%igio(s. - am no more h&.ocritica% than most of (s an)
ha+e a f(%% set of se0(a% ske%etons in m& o'n c%oset.
-n m& %ife -C+e )one the .romisc(it& thing, the 4free se04
thing, the 4tr& the %es*ian4 thing, the one night stan) thing,
the get-)r(nk-at-the-*ar, stan) on the ta*%e an) stri.
thing. $ort(nate%&, - 'as %(ck& an) )i)nCt )o the
a*ortion, (n'e) mom or gi+e-m&-*a*& (. for a)o.tion thing(
tho(gh man& of m& frien)s got to )o these things#. - )i)
the infection thing man& times, the %ice thing once or
t'ice, *(t someho' e+a)e) the <D/!-DS thing. 3hat -Cm
sa&ing here is -Cm not sitting in some to'er .assing
5()gement on others. - tho(ght - 'as *eing free. - 'as
sim.%& *eing (se) (a state of non-a'areness is the
s.irit(a% term, - *e%ie+e#. - %ooke) *ack at the %ife m&
c(%t(re enco(rage) me to %i+e an) ga/e) for'ar) to the
e+en more s.irit(a%%& *ankr(.t %ife that it is
enco(raging m& )a(ghter to %i+e an) sai) 48e%% NoG -Cm not
going to take it an& more.4
-C+e 'ritten, se+era% times in se+era% .osts, that -Cm not
%o**&ing to 4*an4 .orn or instit(te a 4'ar on .orn.4 Yet, -C+e
generate) s(ch h&steria aro(n) here 5(st sa&ing that
ma&*e societ& o(ght to take a %ook at ho' .ornogra.h&
has come to )efine (s as a c(%t(re. "& other into%era*%e
sin has *een to s(ggest that 'e might manage certain
t&.es of .ornCs )istri*(tion 'ith the goa% of
)e+e%o.ing a hea%thier se0(a% en+ironment for a%% of (s.
!n) -Cm 'icke), 'icke), 'icke) for asserting that .orn, taken
at its f(%% effect on e+er&one in+o%+e), is harmf(%. 1(t,
'hat e+er&one seems to ha+e hear) (regar)%ess of 'hat
-C+e act(a%%& sai)# is that -Cm a)+ocating for re.ression.
-f &o( ha) ten min(tes in m& .ersona% %i*rar&, &o( 'o(%)
kno' that is 5(st not tr(e.
Yo( sa& &o( kno' some stri..ers an) sa& the& seem to *e
ha+ing f(n. >erha.s the& are, *(t man& are not. Becreation,
!rts, "o+ies, ,rotica (
B!",#, a .ro-.orn site, .ro+i)es some
interesting information on .orn-starsC ca(ses of )eath.
- ha+e kno'n man& stri..ers an) .rostit(tes in m& %ife (
accor)ing to .orn in)(str& ana%&st 9(ke $or), 'ho kee.s
track of these things, most .orn stars are a%so
.rostit(tes#.
- ha+e ne+er kno'n a .rostit(te 'ho 'as *a%ance) an)
ha..&, tho(gh some co(%) .art& har) (.art& har) )oes not
a%'a&s make for ha..&#. - ha+e seen some .rett& nast&
things go )o'n in these fo%kCs %i+es as 'e%% as a %ot
of sim.%e sa)ness.
Ef co(rse, se0 entertainers are going to smi%e an) act
%ike the&Cre ha+ing f(n - so(r faces (.set c%ient
i%%(sions an) res(%t in %oss of 5o*s. ! career in .orn
is +er& risk&. There are %ife-threatening )iseases, an)
)angero(s 5ohns. 8ar) )r(gs (not the -%%(minators, *(t those
that )am.en a'areness an) stea% so(%s, s(ch as heroin an)
coke# are a +ita% .art of the .orn *(siness. ,+en
a.o%ogists for .orn 'i%% a)mit this.

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