Prior to Consciousness

Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

Edited by
Jean Dunn
The Infinite a sudden guest
as been assu!ed to be"
#ut how can that stu$endous co!e
%hich ne&er went away'
( E!ily Dickinson
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Preface
In one way the core of Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj.s teaching is easy to
gras$" and e/tre!ely difficult in another0 It is easy if we are willing to be
co!$letely honest with oursel&es" to look at the conce$ts of others with
which we ha&e built our own $risons0 To in&estigate for one.s self can be
e/tre!ely difficult because we are &ery attached to our conce$ts ( we
don.t want to gi&e the! u$0 #ut if the desire to 1N2% is a burning desire"
then we will set forth on our course0 %e can only know who or what we are
by $ersonal e/$erience" not fro! books or others0
Maharaj urged us to find out what this 3I3 is0 e was like a surgeon
with a shar$ scal$el" cutting away all inessential things0 is 4uestions
often left one out in 3left field"3 not knowing what to say0 is answers"
were ne&er what was e/$ected0 e would not allow any 4uoting of scri$(
tures ( only $ersonal e/$erience ( and he could get 4uite angry about
this0 2nce when so!eone 4uoted Dakshina!urti" a indu deity"
Maharaj res$onded+ 3ang Dakshina!urti5 %hat about you' %hat is
your e/$erience'3
Most of us identify ourself with the body(!ind and so he insisted
that we find out what this body(!ind is0 Did it not co!e fro! the s$er!
of the father and the o&u! of the !other' The body then is a $roduct of
the food consu!ed and is sustained by food" which is the essence of the
f i&e ele!ents0 Can we be this' %ithout consciousness the body is dead
!aterial0 %hen consciousness lea&es the body there is no indi&idual" no
world" and no 6od0 Consciousness can only be conscious of itself when
it has !anifested in a $hysical for!0 Consciousness is latent in e&ery
grain of food" in all the fi&e ele!ents ( it is uni&ersal" non($ersonal" all(
$er&ading0 E&erything is consciousness" and that is what we are"
$resently0 Consciousness acts through the for!s according to the co!(
bination of the gunas" satwa )being(light($urity-" ta!as )inertia(
$assi&ity(darkness-" rajas )acti&ity($assion(energy-" and to the condi(
tioning recei&ed0 %hat ha$$ens when one of these for!s 3dies'3 The
for! again beco!es $art of the fi&e ele!ents and the consciousness
!erges with the uni&ersal consciousness0 This is all a $rocess ha$$en(
ing" the $lay of consciousness0
#efore this for! ca!e ( what was I' That is what one truly is0 That
7bsolute Parabrah!an ( these are only words which we ha&e in&ented to
na!e the 8n!anifest" 8nna!eable0 The eternal 3I"3 absolutely un(
conditioned" ti!eless" s$aceless #eing" not aware of being )because
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there is no other-0 I a! as I 7!" as I always was" as I e&er will be" eter(
nally0
Seekers fro! all o&er the world ca!e to Sri Maharaj for his s$iritual
guidance0 The contents of this book are transcribed fro! the ta$e
recordings !ade during the 4uestion and answer $eriods of :;<= and
:;<:" until the death of Sri Maharaj fro! cancer of the throat on
Se$te!ber <" :;<:" at the age of <>0 Maharaj s$oke only in Marathi and
at each !eeting there was a translator" not always the sa!e one? we are
&ery grateful to the!0 The !ost fre4uent ones were Sri S0 10 Mullar$at(
tan" Dr0 D0 Doongaji" ,a!esh S0 #alsekar" and S0 @0 Sa$re )deceased-"
and the e&ening translator who! I re!e!ber only as Mohan0 There
were others at different ti!es" but generally these were the day(to(day
translators0 %e are also &ery grateful to Miss N0 @anaja who was so
faithful in recording these talks0
During the last two years of his life Maharaj did not entertain any
4uestions $ertaining to this worldly life and its i!$ro&e!ent0 e taught
only the highest truth" and due to the weakened condition of his body" on
so!e days there was &ery little discussion0 #ut e&en one sentence of his
was like an 8$anishad0 e was &ery blunt and shar$ in his answers and did
not cater to anyone.s ego ( in fact" his stated $ur$ose was to destroy this
3$suedo(entity03 To be in his $resence was to feel the &ibrant truth"
i!$ossible to describe0 e was a!aAing to watch+ that
3$ersonality3 could be ha$$y" angry" sad" gay" sarcastic" or gentle" and a
&ariety of e!otion $layed through that 3bundle3 like sunlight on water0
There was ne&er any atte!$t to change any of it 000 let it do its thing" it was
not hi!0 Suffering there was in abundance" due to the cancer" but in this
hu!an $icture I ha&e ne&er seen anyone bra&er0 Ne&er did a
whi!$er lea&e his li$s0 That body carried on when it see!ed i!$ossible that
it could do so0 2ne could only gaAe at hi! in total lo&e and awe0
7lthough there was no doubt that the for! of Sri Maharaj was suffering
fro! cancer" he carried on just as usual with the daily routine of bhajans
four ti!es a day" 4uestion and answer $eriods twice daily" although as the
body grew weaker these $eriods were often cut short0 It was enough
to be in his $resence0 It was only toward the end that he rarely s$oke0
The re$etitions in the te/t are necessary" as Maharaj ha!!ered
continuously at our conce$ts" each ti!e bringing us back to the root
when we tried to stray to the lea&es and branches0 %hen we tried to
hang on to words" e&en words which he had used" he shot the! right out
fro! under us0 7s so!eone once said" 3I a! tre!endously grateful to
Maharaj0 %hat is !ost different is that" regardless of anything" he
answers what is !ost hel$ful and right" but $eo$le want to !ake the
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teachings into a syste!" which ulti!ately ruins the!0 #ut Maharaj
doesn.t worry0 e just says on %ednesday that red is black" and on Bri(
day that red is white" but the answer is correct at the ti!e" because it
changes the orientation of the 4uestioner0 It is tre!endously &aluable
and uni4ue03 The reader should take only a few $ages at a ti!e and
$onder and !editate o&er the!0
If you read this book it is assu!ed that you ha&e" as Maharaj said"
3Done your ho!ework03 If you are ready to gi&e u$ your identity with
this $seudo(entity" read on and ha$$y journey0
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7$ril >" :;<=
Cuestioner+ %ould Maharaj talk about the grace of the guru'
Maharaj+ It is the intensity of the faith you ha&e in the guru.s words that is
!ost i!$ortant? once that is there" the grace flows auto!atically0 The faith
in the guru is based on the consciousness within" faith in one.s Self0 The
lo&e for the beingness I a! trying to direct to a higher le&el0 %hat is lasting
is this lo&e for the Self" on which te!$les ha&e been built0 This Christ(
consciousness is e/isting? is it faith in a !an' 7s a !an" Christ was crucified"
but that uni&ersal consciousness which was his li&es today0
C+ Is there a !eans of releasing or ele&ating this lo&e'
M+ That is a &ritti )!ental !odification-" that is $art of the $rocess0
There are &arious actions" $ractices" etc0 E&en in daily life you ha&e cer(
tain $rocedures? are they not the $uja )worshi$- for this consciousness'
C0 Maharaj is talking about the kind of lo&e that transcends consciousness itself'
M+ The breeAe that co!es out of the uni&ersal consciousness is what
kee$s other kinds of lo&e ali&e0 Most $eo$le li!it their lo&e to an in(
di&idual0
C ow does one e/$and into uni&ersal lo&e'
M+ 8nderstand the false as false" that.s all you can do? you cannot turn
one thing into another0
C+ Doesn.t lo&e lose its &itality when it loses its object'
M+ *ou are asking fro! the body le&el" you are not going back to your
state before the body ca!e into e/istence0 #efore the word 3lo&e3 ca!e
into e/istence" you are0 Prior to this identification with the body" you
!ust recede into That0
Since I ha&e found !y true $er!anent state I ha&e no need for any of
this" so I a! just waiting for it to go0 In that state of fullness there is no
need at all0 I ha&e had this state of fullness after I !et !y guru? if I
hadn.t !et !y guru I would ha&e li&ed and died as a !an0
My association with !y 6uru was scarcely for two and a half years0 e
was staying so!e D== kilo!eters away" he would co!e here once e&ery
four !onths" for fifteen days? this is the fruit of that0 The words he ga&e !e
touched !e &ery dee$ly0 I abided in one thing only+ the words of !y 6uru
are the truth" and he said" 3*ou are the Parabrah!an0 3No !ore doubts and
no !ore 4uestions on that0 2nce !y 6uru con&eyed to
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!e what he had to say I ne&er bothered about other things ( I hung on to
the words of the 6uru0
I know e/actly what this $resent state of affairs is" how transient it is"
and I also know that eternal state0 I ha&e no use for this e$he!eral state0
Now when you return to your country you will go with the 4ualification of
ajnani0 Tell !e" what !eaning do you attach to the word jnani'
C0 I think so!e of the Indians who ha&e been here longer are !ore 4ualified" they
!ight talk on it0
M0 The $resent cro$ of Indians are following the %esterners who ha&e
de&elo$ed so !uch on the !aterial side0 They are not after s$irituality (
they would like to follow %estern scientific de&elo$!ent" to i!itate you0
#ecause 3I 7! That3D is certified by Maurice Bryd!an they will read it?
the books by jean Dunn will ha&e !ore significance also0 I a! not short of
any knowledge relating to 6od or s$irituality because I ha&e fully known
what this child($rinci$le is0 %hen you get to know that ig(
norant child($rinci$le" beingness" you will not fall short of anything in
your s$iritual or worldly $ursuits0
7$ril <" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Is the world as we see it" a thought' It is written in so!e $laces that
when one sees the world one does not see the Self" and con&ersely" when one sees the
Self" one does not see !anifestation0
Maharaj+ The world is nothing but the $icture of your own 3I3 con(
sciousness0 7s if you had recei&ed a $hone call telling you that you are"
and i!!ediately the world a$$ears0 %hen you are in dee$ slee$ and
you feel that you are awake" the drea! world a$$ears si!ultaneously0
%ith the 3I 7!"3 the world a$$ears in the waking and drea! states0
C0 Can one see the world without the $resence of the ego'
M0E %hen is there an ego' The ego is there when you ha&e certain
reactions0 *ou take deli&ery of whate&er is obser&ed s$ontaneously0 *ou
cling to it" register it" then only is there an ego0
*ou see so!e building !aterial lying on the road ( you think that
you are a car$enter and you start figuring how to use that !aterial? the
DI 7! That0. Talks with Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj" translated fro! the Marathi ta$erecord(
ings by Maurice Bryd!an" re&ised and edited by Sudhakar S0 Dikshit" #o!bay+
Chetana? :st 7!erican edition" Durha!" North Carolina+ The 7corn Press" :;<D0
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thought $rocess has started" ego starts0 If you are nobody" you will not
bother about the building !aterial ( you will just obser&e it and go your
way0 2nce it is out of sight it is out of !ind? but when you recei&e that
deli&ery" you cogitate o&er it" ego has started0
C0 So when it co!es to the utility of what is seen" that.s when the ego co!es into be(
ing'
M0 *es0 That is its nature0
C To get back to !y other 4uestion" when the world is seen" the Self is not? when
the Self is seen the world is not" is that so'
M0 It is the other way0 %hen you know that you are ( the world is" if
you are not ( your world is not0
C+ Is 3I3 the Self' I a! talking about the difference between the GI 7!3 and the
thought 3I a! a !an" 3which is the ego0 In the 3I7!3consciousness" does the world
e/ist' Can you see it'
M0E %hen you wake u$ you ha&e only the sense of being" without
words" this is the $ri!ary $rinci$le" the $rere4uisite? later on you know
fully that you are and the world is" but that is an illusion" like the horns of
a hare0 The world is like the drea! world" finally0 8nderstand this $oint
&ery thoroughly? you are dealing too !uch with the ego0 a&e you
understood what was said about the ego'
C+ I think I ha&e" if I ask another 4uestion !aybe I can resol&e it0 8sing the anal(
ogy of the snake and the ro$e )seeing a ro$e in a di!ly lit $lace and !istaking it for a
snake-" if we use the world in that analogy where is the !istaken identity there'
M0E The Self is the world0 *ou are talking about re!o&ing the identity
between the Self and the world" aren.t you' Birst of all" dis$ose of the
Self" understand what the Self is0 6et to know the Self first" then get to
know what the world is0 The reason the world a$$eared is that you ca!e to
know that you are0
C0 ow can one" in the waking state" lose the sensation of the world altogether and
just be the Self'
M0 *ou will ha&e to consult the sun0 7sk hi!" 3ow do you get rid"of
your light'3 0 0 0 light is the !anifestation of the sun0 Can you se$arate the
light fro! the sun or the sun fro! the light' #ecause of the sun" the light
is? because you are your world is0
#ecause the witnessing state ha$$ens" hence you are? because you are"
witnessing is $al$ably felt? because the sun is" light is0 If there is no
witnessing" where is the witness' Dwell there0
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C" The being is the witness'
M0 There are two witnessing stages? beingness witnesses all this
!anifestation0 %itnessing of this beingness" consciousness" ha$$ens to
that eternal $rinci$le" the 7bsolute0
7$ril :>" :;<=
Maharaja So long as you are interested in this !anifest world you ha&e no
ti!e to get to the root0 The root is this consciousness which a$$eared when
you were a child0 The root of whate&er acti&ities you are now doing is that
!o!ent when you were a child0 In that child" the !ost i!$ortant 4uality (
the che!ical" the consciousness ( took the $hotogra$h0 Bro! that
!o!ent you started gathering knowledge and on that your $resent
acti&ities are ha$$ening0
Peo$le are so interested in !y words that no one really tries to find out
what that child consciousness is0 2nly when you get established in the
consciousness can you know that child consciousness0 That is the only
way0
Cuestioner+ Child consciousness i!$lies a retrogression" as co!$ared to the !an
consciousness0 %hen in that state there is no consideration of child or !an
consciousness" there is just being (there is no further gi&en direction0
M0 There is no difference in the child consciousness and the !an
consciousness0
C0 If the s$ace that fills the s!all $ot is the sa!e as the s$ace that fills the big $ot"
how to recogniAe the s!all $ot'
M0 The seed of the uni&erse is di!ensionless but" because of the body" the
consciousness a$$ears and identifies with the body but actually
e&erything is !anifest" all($er&asi&e consciousness0 That 3I lo&e3 is
!anifest0 Bor the whole uni&erse there is no 4uestion of $rofit or loss"
only when the identification with the body is $resent does the 4uestion
arise0
%hen you take food" who is eating' The 3I 7!ness03 The food also
contains the 3I 7!ness"3 so when you consu!e it" you retain your 3I
7!ness03 Though the 3I 7!ness3 is in the food" nobody identifies with the
food ( they say" 3this is !y lunch? I a! not this"3 but when it is consu!ed
by the! and beco!es $art of the body they say" 3I a! the body3 ( that
!istake they !ake0
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C+ I desire to be in the state of a jnani0
M0( *ou ha&e to know that knowledge 3I 7!03Jnani and knowledge are
one0
C+ Just by being you ha&e this knowledge'
M+ *ou are already that" but you ha&e to try to understand yourself0
C *ou understand that by the &ery essence of your being" so there is no knowledge
in&ol&ed0
M0( 7t the !o!ent you are identifying with the body" so you do not
know that secret0 *ou will co!e to know gradually" when you really
beco!e that0
C0 If there is only the sense of being in the 3I 7!" 3where do conce$ts co!e in' M+
#ecause of the &ital breath" the !ind flow is there0 Mind !eans words"
so thoughts are there ( they are the conce$ts0 Hook at your root" the child
consciousness" and finish it off0
C0 The di ffrculty lies in the fact that all consciousness is identical" so how to get to the
root'
M0 This consciousness is a tree" but there was a seed ( go to the seed0
The consciousness you ha&e now is the sa!e as the child consciousness?
hold on to that" that is enough0 So long as the consciousness is there
e&erything is so i!$ortant to you" but if that &anishes" then what is the
worth of this whole world to you' %ho is the knower of the seed' 6i&e
attention to how this 3I 7!ness3 has a$$eared ( then you will know0 7c(
ce$t this identification only+ that you are this !anifest $ure beingness"
the &ery soul of the uni&erse" of this life that you obser&e" and $resently
you are just wearing this bodily attire0 Make a note of it? you ha&e taken
down so !any things in life" just for fun" why don.t you take this down
also and see what ha$$ens' See what ha$$ens when you look at the
!oon and know that the !oon is there $ro&ided you are there? because
you are the !oon is0 This grand conce$t" this joy" you directly e/(
$erience and enjoy0
C0 There !ust be so!e $ower which is res$onsible for this creation0
M0E The $ower is the Self which each one has in his beingness ( that
$ower is ti!e(bound0 Bro! the ti!e that beingness co!es it creates
auto!atically until that beingness disa$$ears0 Earlier there was nothing (
after there is nothing0 It is only during the duration of the beingness that
the world and creation is0 This $ower is the faith in the $ri!ordial conce$t
3I 7!"3 and that is the conce$t which wea&es the web of crea(
tion0 The entire !anifestation is an a$$earance in this conce$t0
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7$ril :J" :;<=
Maharaj+ %hen consciousness !i/es with itself" that is sa!adhi0 %hen one
doesn.t know anything (and doesn.t e&en know that he doesn.t know
anything ( that is sa!adhi0
Cuestioner+ %ill the body beco!e rigid'
M+ The body beco!es still0 Hater on there is no realiAation of the body0
%hen e&erything is accounted for" that is sahaja sa!adhi0
C0 The sensation is of glowing" effer&escence" within and without? it $ro&okes a
little heat0
M+ That is natural0 %hen the fi&e ele!ents !i/ with each other" all
kinds of things !ay take $lace0 The fi&e ele!ents e/$ress the!sel&es in
different fashions through the body at that stage0 This is not co!!on to
all" not necessarily unifor! ( each body will act and react in a different
way0 Therefore different Saints ha&e different kinds of teachings0 The
co!!on ca$ital for all is the waking state" slee$ state" and the con(
sciousness 3I 7!03
C0 I did as Maharaj said0 I e/a!ined the consciousness of a child" also I $ondered
about the seed and the tree" and I ha&e resol&ed that e4uation0
M0 %hat re!ains after those 4uestions ha&e been resol&ed' Can you do
anything about it'
C+ No0 The seed disa$$ears into a seedling" the seedling into a tree and e&entually the
tree disa$$ears0 The seed of the child disa$$ears into a teenager" etc0
M0E It does not disa$$ear" it is transfor!ed0 Now what re!ains is
Parabrah!an0
C0 There was the sensation of the son returning to the father0
M0 Did that sensation ha$$en inside or outside the source' The $arents
are only na!es gi&en to the source which one always knows0
%hen so!ething is understood" one does not really gras$ it until a
na!e is gi&en and then one says that one has understood0 The na!e is
not the thing0 Bather" !other and child are three in na!e" but all three
re$resent the sa!e thing0 %hat is is one only" It is" and the three are only
na!es and nu!bers gi&en to what is basically one thing0 The union of
$rakriti and $urusha is !yself? $rakriti and $urushs are only na!es ( they
are not for!s0 This subject is !eant only for those who are seriously in(
terested0
The Jack fruit is a &ery big fruit with a thick skin and $ointed stickers
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on the outside0 Inside is the fruit" and within that is the seed0 2ne uses
the fruit" and the seed which is ca$able of $roducing !ore fruit is there0
The hu!an body is the sa!e" what is outside is !erely the shell? what
one uses is the beingness inside0 The seed can be used to re$roduce" and
the sweetness" She taste of 3I 7!"3 &alues itself and wants to continue at
any cost0
Prior to taking this for! you were for!less? s$ontaneously the for!
ca!e" and when the for! ca!e there was a natural longing to return to
the for!less state0 %hen you want to return to the for!less" desireless
state" then only you co!e here" to seek what you are0 The consciousness
has to know the consciousness0 %hen it realiAes itself" then only do you
return to nor!al0
C0 as any one of those $ersons co!ing here beco!e a jnani'
M+ 7 nu!ber of those who ha&e co!e here ha&e ac4uired the knowl(
edge" but only su$erficially0 No one has really studied what the knowl(
edge is? no one has really gras$ed the full !eaning0 %hat are they doing
now' They are entangled in wanting" desiring" and this has !ade the!
forget the knowledge0 @ery few will get this knowledge correctly and ab(
sorb it dee$ly into their hearts0 2nce you ha&e understood the origin of
this !o&e!ent" this acti&ity" and the reason" the nature of this desire"
then only can you return to what you are0 8nless you are fir! about it"
you will not understand0
7$ril :;" :;<=
Maharaj+ *ou ha&e co!e here and you are sitting here" but this doesn.t
!ean that you are e/$ected to sit here for D> hours continuously for days
and days0 *ou ha&e co!e here for a short while" then you will go" again
you will co!e0 Hike that" this body is a $lace for dwelling for a short while0
a&ing stabiliAed in the 7bsolute" the distinction is clearly !ade of
beingness and $rior to beingness0
Cuestioner+ In the old days" it says in the 8$anishads" any disci$le had to stick
close to the 6uru for one year without o$ening his !outh" and only then he could ask
4uestions0
M0 %hen he sits in close $ro/i!ity to a 6uru the ca$acity of his being(
ness to recei&e this teaching beco!es !ature0 is ca$acity to under(
stand increases0 It arises within hi!" it does not co!e fro! outside hi!0
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*ou !ust co!e to a fir! decision0 *ou !ust forget the thought that
you are a body and be only the knowledge 3I 7!"3 which has no for!" no
na!e0 Just be0 %hen you stabiliAe in that beingness it will gi&e all the
knowledge and all the secrets to you" and when the secrets are gi&en to
you" you transcend the beingness" and you" the 7bsolute" will know that
you are also not the consciousness0 a&ing gained all this knowledge"
ha&ing understood what is what" a kind of 4uietude $re&ails" a tran4uil(
ity0 #eingness is transcended" but beingness is a&ailable0
C0 %hat is that state'
M0 It is so!ething like a deer taking rest in the shadow of a tree0 The
color of the shadow is neither light nor &ery dark" this is the borderland0
Neither jet black nor &ery bright" halfway between the!" that is that
shadow0 Dee$ blue" like clouds" that is that state0 That is also the grace of
the Sat(6uru0 E&erything is flowing out of that state" but this $rinci$le does
not clai! anything" is not in&ol&ed in anything that is co!ing out of it"
but this beingness is a&ailable0 That dee$" dark blue state" the grace of
the Sat(6uru0 This is the state of the jnani" this is a &ery" &ery" rare" natural
sa!adhi state" the !ost natural state" the highest state0
*ou !ust ha&e a fir! con&iction about this0 2nce the decision is
taken" there is no !o&ing away fro! it0 The fruition of your s$irituality is
to fully understand your own true nature" to stabiliAe in your true
identity0 2ne !ust ha&e $atience" the ca$acity to wait and see0
The darkness that you see when you close your eyes" that is the
shadow of the 6uru.s grace? don.t forget it" always kee$ it in !ind0 Take
rest in the shadow of the 6uru.s grace0 %hene&er you re!e!ber the
words of the 6uru" you are in the shade of the 6uru.s grace0
8lti!ately" e&erything !erges into the Self0 *ou !ay co!e across
great difficulties" but your courage and stability in the Self should be fir!0
7$ril DF" :;<=
Maharaj+ #e friendly with your undifferentiated state" your true Self0
There was ne&er any di&ision" but you are under the delusion that you are
not one with it0
I ha&e understood !y true nature+ it is always ali&e" but not in the
way e&erybody thinks0 I don.t wish to li&e in this life by the knowledge of
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the subjecti&e world or the e/$eriences of the subjecti&e world0 Peo$le
are telling !e that I !ust li&e? I don.t want to li&e like that0 I a! ali&e
because of !y own nature" It is there" the e/istence is there" I a! there
only because of that e/istence0 My true state" which is whole" un(
differentiated" is beyond birth and death0 I a! ne&er bound by !y body
and !ind0 I a! li!itless0
I" the 7bsolute" ne&er had any e/$erience that I was ali&e" and now I
a! e/$eriencing that I a! ali&e" and all this trouble I a! e/$eriencing
through this I(a!(ali&e(e/$erience0 This e/$erience is li!ited to ti!e
and s$ace? but when I understood the whole thing" I understood that I
ne&er had any e/$erience that I was ali&e0 That is a state beyond any e/(
$erience0
%hy has this co!e' My 6uru has e/$lained correctly to !e that the
3I3 consciousness a$$eared and these e/$eriences started" so one can see
the true nature of the 3I3 consciousness" go to the source" find out fro!
where this 3I3 co!es0
Cuestioner+ %hat is the difference if I a! sick and unconscious and Maharaj is
sick and unconscious'
M0E I know !y true nature and I a! That" while you are li!ited to your
body and !ind" therefore you !ight feel that you are sick now" so let the
doctor co!e ( he !ight do so!ething0 7ll those are notions you will
ha&e" but I don.t ha&e the!0 I a! slee$ing in !y true nature" whereas
you ha&e taken a blanket and are slee$ing0
Is it not true that when you are sick you are thinking only of your
sickness' %hy ha&e you entered this field'
%hen I talk to you" don.t try to understand fro! the body(!ind
identity0 *our true state is always there? it has not gone anywhere0
7lthough you did not know it was there" and now you know it is there" you
ha&e done nothing0 It is always there0
2n !y true" whole" ho!ogeneous state just a s!all ri$$le a$$eared" the
news ca!e" 3I 7!03 That news !ade all the difference" and I started
knowing this? but now I ha&e known !y true state" so I understand !y
true state first" and then I understand that this ri$$le is co!ing and going
on !y true state0 %hile" in your case" you take interest in the ri$$le and
don.t take interest in your true state0
2ut of !y e/istence as the Nou!enon has co!e this state of the $he(
no!enal0 The ho!ogeneous understands the $lay of the attributes" the
$rojection of the !ind" but the $lay" the $rojection of the !ind" cannot
understand the ho!ogeneous0 The !o!ent it tries to understand It" it
beco!es one with It0 E&erybody is trying to understand the !eaning of
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all this0 *ou are not understanding because you ha&e all the swaddling
clothes of 3I(a!(this(or(that03 ,e!o&e the!0
The ulti!ate $oint of &iew is that there is nothing to understand" so
when we try to understand" we are only indulging in acrobatics of the
!ind0
%hate&er s$iritual things you as$ire to know are all ha$$ening in
this objecti&e world" in the illusion? all your acti&ities" !aterial and
s$iritual" are in this illusion0 7ll this is ha$$ening in the objecti&e world" all
is dishonesty" there is no truth in this fraud0
C0 Hast night" during !editation" there was a $ure state of GI(I0 3I understood it to be
recognition of the Self0
M0E Is that the true !eaning of your Self' S$it it out0 %hate&er you
ha&e understood" you are not0 %hy are you getting lost in conce$ts'
*ou are not what you know" you are the knower0
7$ril F=" :;<=
Maharaj+ This consciousness that 3I 7!3 has created" and sustains" all the
wonders in the world for which !en take credit? on the other hand" this
consciousness has no control o&er itself0
The $rinci$le out of which you ha&e s$routed has tre!endous
$owers0 Hord 1rishna has said" 3*ou worshi$ !e" be de&oted to !e03
This !eans what' The knowledge 3I 7!3 which is indwelling in you (
worshi$ that only0 *ou charge your beingness with those tre!endous
4ualities of Hord 1rishna? your beingness !eans Hord 1rishna" be
de&oted to that0
In the initial stages" your de&otion is of the surrendering ty$e0 *ou
worshi$ so!e $rinci$le and surrender to that $rinci$le0 In the final
stages you beco!e the entire uni&erse0
*our faith toward so!e $rinci$le will not re!ain the sa!e? it will be
continually changing0
7ll of you are like beggars? you ha&e got a begging bowl and you
want to collect 6od in that0
Take it that this 3I 7!ness3 of yours is the unadulterated for! of
6odlihood? the $ure Iswara state is your beingness0
It is 4uite $ro$er and $raiseworthy that you are listening to the talks0
Ne&ertheless" you are not getting rid of this attach!ent to the body(
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!ind0 *ou are constantly surrounded by relations or inti!acies
connected with your body(!ind0 a&e full faith in your beingness and
allow it to grow into the !anifest Iswara $rinci$le0 It is all $owerful (
!editate on that0 It is &ery si!$le" yet at the sa!e ti!e" &ery $rofound0
The consciousness is the seed of 6odliness0 If we gi&e it its true
i!$ortance and $ray to it" then it will flower into 6odliness0 If we don.t
gi&e it any i!$ortance" it will not flower into 6odliness0
May >" :;<=
Maharaja *ou understand yourself as body(!ind? therefore !y $roble!
is ( how to !ake you understand0
Hord 1rishna said" 37ll are !y e/$ressions03 The !ountain is of
gold and a $article of that !ountain is also gold0 I a! that !ountain and
e&ery $article is !yself0 The entire beingness !anifest is !yself" and each
being is a sa!$le of !yself0 The knowledge 3I 7!3 in each s$ecies is
!yself0 The &ery life force ( lu!inous" bright" radiant" indwelling $rin(
ci$le is !yself0
If anybody understands !e totally and fully and !ost a$$ro$riately"
that one gets the shelter in the shade of !y benign being0
The state of ajnani" the highest state" has transcended the beingness"
but the beingness is still there" so together with the beingness is the
7bsolute ( the dee$ blue" benign state" without eyes0
1nowledge takes rest in that dee$ blue" 4uiet" $eaceful" benign
shade0 %hen that shade is shifted aside" then he sees the &arious
!anifestations in the for! of uni&erses and worlds0 #ut when the shade
is there" it is the dee$" dark blue state" fully rela/ed0
Cuestioner+ Is Maharaj going to sto$ talking'
M0 The talks will e!anate $ro&ided so!eone worthy is there to $ut 4ues(
tions0 I a! nearing the end of !y ti!e0 If any 4uestions s$rout" ask the!0
C+ I want to stay here with Maharaj as long as $ossible0
M0 7lthough you !ight go ho!e" whate&er has been $lanted" whate&er you
ha&e recei&ed" is going to change you0 *ou are co!$letely $ossessed0
C0 I feel that0 I a! grateful that at the tag(end of !y life I was brought here0
M0 *our co!ing here was also s$ontaneous0 It is &ery rare that so!e(
one has the good fortune to co!e here? ha&ing co!e here" if the $lanting
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is done" the s$routing will definitely take $lace0 It !ay take ti!e" but it
will definitely take $lace0
Just as the beingness has a$$eared s$ontaneously" you don.t know
beforehand" now I a! going to be ( it has co!e about ( so also the talks are
co!ing s$ontaneously0
This touch of 3I 7!ness3 is in each being? this beingness has that
touch of lo&e for the 7bsolute and it is a re$resentation of the 7bsolute0
%hen you got yourself se$arated fro! the 7bsolute with this identity 3I
7!"3 you felt frag!ented" isolated" and that is why your de!ands
started0 In the 7bsolute there are no needs0 2nly the 7bsolute $re&ails0
The truth is total #rah!an only" nothing else but #rah!an0 In a
total #rah!an state the touch of beingness" 3I 7!"3 and with that" se$a(
ration started" otherness has co!e0 #ut this 3I 7!ness3 is not just a s!all
$rinci$le" that itself is the !ula(!aya" the $ri!ary illusion0 %hat I a!
e/$ounding is not !eant for the co!!on $eo$le" because they ha&e not
reached the stature to understand what I a! saying0 Therefore I tell
the! to do bhajans" ja$a" !editation0 7fter doing that" when the $urify(
ing takes $lace" they will be worthy enough to recei&e !y talks0
C0 Bro! the 8n!anifest" the !anifest is ha$$ening'
M+ %ho is asking this and why'
C0 I want to know0
M0 Nothing $re&ails but you" e&erything is you0 %hat answer can I
gi&e you'
If you want to re!e!ber this &isit" if you ha&e lo&e for !e"
re!e!ber this 3I 7!3 $rinci$le and without the co!!and or direction of
this $rinci$le" do nothing0
In the world today there are so !any $eo$le and they are so busy
with their affairs that they don.t ha&e ti!e to eat ( they stand and eat0
These are characteristics of the !aya0 The great !aya $rinci$le is !aking
you do all her tricks" and you are also abiding in what she says" and f
inally" that light of yours" that beingness" gets e/tinguished0 Then
where are you going'
C0 I a! going to search for another body5
M+ This is all a conce$t0 #efore a$$earing in the world" do you re!e!ber
your $re&ious history" do you re!e!ber anything'
C0 No" but I ha&e read 000
M0 I don.t want to hear what others write" I want to know fro! the
horse.s !outh" fro! you0 If you are not" can others be there' Is this not
good enough for you'
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C+ #ut I cannot think of a state when I had not been0
M0E That was the non(attention Parabrah!an state0 That attention 3I
7!3 was not there0
C0 Do we co!e fro! the Parabrah!an state and go back after beingness goes' M+
Co!ing down into this world fro! the 7bsolute is so!ething like the
a$$earance of a drea!0 In a drea! are you going so!ewhere' The
$ri!ary ignorance is the understanding that you are the body0 To know that
you are the !anifest is knowledge" and the knowledge !erges into no(
knowledge" Parabrah!an0
C( #ut I understand fro! the 6ita 000
M+ Throw it away5 %hate&er you understand is not the truth and it is to
be thrown o&erboard0 *ou are trying to catch hold of so!ething and cling
to it0 7cce$t" as it is" what I a! telling you0 Don.t be carried away by
conce$ts0 Don.t e!$loy any words" and look at yourself as you are0
Bew $eo$le understand what I a! dri&ing at0
*ou are not $aying $ro$er attention" you are talking only after this
beingness a$$eared0 #efore the beingness was there" look at that" be in
that state0 If you dare call !e an atheist" re!e!ber that I do bhajans four
ti!es a day0
That !aya is so $owerful that it gets you co!$letely wra$$ed u$ in it0
Maya !eans 3I 7!"3 3I lo&e to be03 It has no identity e/ce$t lo&e0 That
knowledge of 3I 7!3 is the greatest foe and the greatest friend0 7lthough it
!ight be your greatest ene!y" if you $ro$itiate it $ro$erly" it will turn
around and lead you to the highest state0
May <" :;<=
Maharaja 7fter the infor!ation gi&en to you by the !other" that you are
a boy or a girl" all your further ac4uisitions are through hearsay0 *our
$ri!ary ca$ital is knowingness" waking state and dee$ slee$0
,e!e!ber just this+ a real disci$le is ready to gi&e u$ his body and the
&ital breath to attain this0 7bide in the words of the 6uru0 StabiliAe only in
3I 7!ness03
The fi&e ele!ents and the three gunas !ake u$ your body and being(
ness0 %hen you abide in Sat(6uru" Sat(6uru indicates to you that you are the
witness of your beingness also0 a&e faith in the Sat(6uru" you are
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That0 Such a Sat( 6uru has re!ained untouched and without any stig!a0
%hate&er is is there eternally" but we are o&erwhel!ed by conce$ts0 In the
world of beingness the consciousness takes care of e&ery wor!" bird0 hu!an
being" of all the s$ecies0 That is the $roble! of the beingness0 E&ery
s$ecies knows the art of li&ing0
Now it is said that I ha&e a disease" therefore I ha&e been taken to
&arious e!inent consultants and they ha&e $rescribed certain treat(
!ents0 I ha&e refused to take any treat!ent because the treat!ent is for
the body and the guarantee of eternal life is not there0 The $ro!ise was
that I would be well for so!e ti!e0 I a! not interested in such $ro!ises0
I ha&e stabiliAed in the Eternal and I a! not fascinated by this ty$e of
life" this burden0 I would like to get rid of that as early as $ossible" I a!
not interested0
Cuestioner+ *ou are the Protector0
M0 I.! not the Protector" the $rotection is auto!atically ha$$ening0
C0 There are those well worthyour $rotection? at least for the! wouldyou not listen to
their ad&ice" to gi&e the! satisfaction'
M0 That is not the way of getting satisfaction0 To get satisfaction they
should go inward0 I a! rather sorry that you are trying to do this s$iritu(
ality in such a !undane !anner0 Su$$ose the so(called death ha$$ens to
!e" actually what is ha$$ening' There is the setting of the fi&e
ele!ents" but I shall $re&ail always0 I ha&e stabiliAed $rior to this being(
ness and the world0 %hate&er ha$$ens to the world" nothing ha$$ens to
!e0
The !ind which was acce$ting that I was born is dead now0 I cannot be
!easured by birth or !ind0
There are so !any so(called jnanis" but they are thirsty for worldly
knowledge0 Do you understand what I a! dri&ing at' *ou ha&e cra&ing for
worldly knowledge0
*ou ha&e the consciousness and you are trying to understand
e&erything in this life0 Can you control the consciousness' Can you kee$
it with you always' No" it can go at any ti!e" and you ha&e no authority
that you can say this is !y consciousness and I will hold on to it for such
and such a ti!e0
*ou are &ery fond of your dwelling($lace in this world" this body0
*ou would not like to go to a state which is beyond this" $rior to this0
*ou are ena!oured of this beingness state0
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May ::" :;<=
Maharaja In the body the consciousness does the witnessing? the beha&ior is
done by the three gunas0 Consciousness is all($er&ading" s$acelike" without
for!0
If one has an illness or a $ain" is there a for! to that' It is only a
!o&e!ent in consciousness0 The knower of consciousness cannot feel
the $ain" and it is only because consciousness has identified itself with
the body that the body feels $ain0 %hen consciousness is not there" e&en if
the body is cut" there is no $ain0 It is not the body which feels $ain0
%hen there is a disturbance in the balance of the fi&e ele!ents" illness
co!es and the illness or $ain is felt in the consciousness0
Just as in the winter the heat gets less and less" as this identification
with the body gets less and less the $ain that is felt gets less and less" to a
degree that" with co!$lete disidentification with the body" one can $ut his
hand in the fire and not feel the $ain0 The effect of the fire will be there"
but the $ain will not be felt0
Now" say that I a! feeling a $ain at a $articular !o!ent" and so!e(
thing ha$$ens and !y !ind gets di&erted0 %ith this di&ersion of the new
ha$$ening I won.t feel the $ain which I was feeling the $re&ious !o!ent0
Many ti!es I feel an itch all o&er the body and I scratch" but when sitting in
$ublic I don.t feel like scratching" so I just tolerate it? in that tolerance it
disa$$ears0 2therwise" so!eti!es if we start scratching" e&en if the skin is
scratched off and bleeding starts" still the itch will not sto$0 %e ha&e a say(
ing in Marathi" 3Don.t $ro&oke itching by scratching03 Most $ain and
suffering is like this" if you $ay attention" it is $ro&oked and you ha&e to
$a!$er it0 Don.t $ay attention" ignore the sy!$to!s and they are lost0
*ou !ust ha&e the ca$acity to tolerate $ain0
The consciousness in the body cannot ha&e any ble!ish at all ( that is
the 4uality0 #ut when you identify with the body" then" conce$tually you
!ight $ollute it" but by nature it is &ery $ure0 @ital breath is &ery $ure"
and this beingness is $urer than that0 I a! talking about 7t!an" the Self0
This knowledge is likely to create a great sense of frustration in one who
doesn.t ha&e the right $ers$ecti&e0 The intention is to see the state of
things in their correct $ers$ecti&e0 a&ing seen it" li&e your life in the
world to the best of your ability0
I!!ortality is beyond ti!e and s$ace? in that ti!eless" s$aceless
e/istence there is no entry for the fi&e ele!ents" for light or darkness" for the
sun or the !oon0 Ti!eless" s$aceless e/istence doesn.t know that it is0
That is reality" That is the truth0
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In any a!ount of !editation" etc0" you do not re!ain in your real
state? it is only by fir! con&iction that you are the highest that you stabiliAe
in the 8lti!ate0
Nor!ally a co!!on s$iritual seeker will not understand what I a!
dri&ing at because he is seeking so!ething which he can enjoy0 %hat is
your a!bition in being a s$iritual seeker' *ou are looking for ad&antage in
the world" to take care of your daily life ( that is the !a/i!u! you e/(
$ect out of s$irituality0 The so(called sages" who are following a s$iritual
$ursuit" focus their a!bition on seeing that their daily life goes on co!for(
tably0 %hy in hell did I ha$$en to be' Nobody en4uires about that0
2nly that $erson will &isit this $lace whose &irtue and sin ha&e co!e to
an end0 So long as there is that stig!a of the !e!ory that you are a
body(!ind you will not understand0
The su! total of all this talk is known as Sat(6uns(Parabrah!an0 In that
state there are no re4uire!ents0 My state is that which ne&er felt the crea(
tion and dissolution of the uni&erse0 I ha&e not e/$ounded this $art0 I re(
!ain untouched through the creation and dissolution of the uni&erse0
June DK" :;<=
Maharaja The waking and slee$ states and the 3I 7!3 consciousness these
three are not your attributes but the attributes of that che!ical0 To what
does the word 3birth3 a$$ly' Is it not the birth of that which is in the body
which !akes it conscious' The che!ical denotes the lo&e the Self has for
Itself and of which it wants to continue0
7ll e/$eriences will be a !eans of suffering if one hasn.t realiAed
what they are0 7ll e/$eriences are due to !e!ories and are !erely
!o&e!ents in consciousness and therefore they cannot last0 a$$iness and
unha$$iness co!e and go0 If you ha&e a correct $ers$ecti&e" the world
is still going on with a sense of 4uietude0
Nature has the institution of death0 If death did not e/ist" there
would be an unbearable accu!ulation of !e!ories0 Peo$le co!e and go"
the !e!ories are wi$ed out" therefore there is a sense of balance0
Cuestioner+ #ut what is known to be te!$orary see!s as if it were going to last
fore&er when it is enjoyed0 %hat is to be done'
M+ %hate&er you do will end in a cala!ity but you will not sto$ doing it
because this is the nature of the body consciousness0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS9 :K
Death is considered to be a trau!atic e/$erience" but understand
what ha$$ens0 That which has been born" the knowledge 3I 7!"3 will
end0 That knowledge which was li!ited by this body will then beco!e
unli!ited" so what is to be feared'
C0 My fear is not being able to lo&e or be lo&ed0
M0E Please understand" feeling lo&e for others" consciously and
deliberately" cannot be done0 That feeling of lo&e !ust be understood and
then lo&e will unfold itself0 Ho&e for the Self" this consciousness" 3I 7!"3
those who ha&e understood this as the true lo&e" ha&e the!sel&es beco!e
lo&e0 7ll has !erged in the!0
This che!ical which !akes the body function is the s!allest of the
s!all" and the biggest of the big0 It contains the entire uni&erse" it is
itself lo&e and 6od0 That che!ical" the consciousness" $ro&ides the light
which enables the world to get on0 That lo&e is not indi&idual lo&e? the
indwelling $rinci$le in all beings is that lo&e" the life force0 #egin with
this e!otional lo&e and dwell in your beingness0 %hate&er ha$$ens"
ha$$ens in that which has been objectified in ti!e and s$ace? fro!
co!$lete absence has co!e $lenty0 The body is born" takes its s$ace"
and then it goes" but the 7bsolute is not affected0 That eternal state
$re&ails in s$ite of all ha$$enings0 %hate&er tangible and &isible world
there is !erges into nothingness0 owe&er that nothingness is also a state
( so that nothingness also goes into the 7bsolute state0
C0 ow did I ha$$en to identify !yself with the body'
M0E %hat is this 3I3 to who! you are referring who has beco!e entangled in
the body and wants to know the answer'
C0 I don.t know0 %hy is it that I cannot know who I a!'
M+ I can only know so!ething different fro! !e0 ow can so!ething
know itself when there is nothing with which to co!$are' It is alone"
without identity" without attributes0 %e can only talk about it at the
$heno!enal stage0
I ha&e got this illness0 %hat is the illness and on what has it co!e
about' The illness is not se$arate fro! what e/ists as the body" breath"
and the knowledge 3I 7!03 This is one bundle which has been created"
whate&er ha$$ens is contained in that bundle0 I ha&e been se$arate
fro! it before conce$tion" and0 I continue to be se$arate fro! what has
been created0 It has ha$$ened" it will continue for a while" then it will go
away0 Ti!e has brought this about and ti!e will end it0 Is not what
was concei&ed and born the sa!e now' That 3I3 has not changed fro!
the conce$tion till the $resent !o!ent0 It has co!e for a $articular
length of ti!e0
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%hat was concei&ed has grown $hysically" and so!e of the e/$res(
sions of this knowledge 3I 7!3 ha&e achie&ed tre!endous things0 So!e
ha&e beca!e a&atars" so!e ha&e achie&ed success in &arious fields0 7t the
end of the ti!e s$an the !agnificent $ersonalities" and whate&er they
ha&e achie&ed ( both ha&e disa$$eared0 It !ay ha&e been for !any
years? this 3I 7!ness3 !ay ha&e re!ained e/istent for hundreds of years in
$articular cases? still" howe&er long the ti!e" there is an end to it0
So!e of these a&atars and jnanis ha&e understood what the 3I 7!ness3 is"
that it needs a body before it can !anifest itself" and the body can only co!e
out of se/ual intercourse0 a&ing understood it" instead of re(
!aining in that knowledge a$art fro! !anifestation" and !erely
obser&ing !anifestation" they started gi&ing ad&ice to that which is only
conce$tual? all !anifestation is conce$tual0 They said" 3Het there not be
se/ual relations03 Many of these a&atars andjnanis ha&e gi&en this ad&ice0 as
it ha$$ened' as the rain sto$$ed' as the $roduction of $o$ula(
tion sto$$ed' No0 Nature will take its course0 It is only to be understood"
nothing is to be done0
,e!e!ber only one thing+ that it is this 3I 7!ness3 which has
re!ained unchanged at all ti!es" and which $er&ades the entire uni&erse0
It is the highest 6od as far as this !anifestation is concerned0
8lti!ately e&en this is te!$orary" and what I a! is $rior to the
senses" s$aceless" ti!eless" without attributes" but in the !anifestation
this 3I 7!ness3 is the highest 6od and you !ust be one with that0
C0 %hen the body dies is there a 4uestion of rebirth if I still identity with the body'
M0 So long as you identify with the body" whate&er is written in the
scri$tures you !ust follow0 %hen you lose your identity with the body"
then you can do whate&er you like0
June D;" :;<=
Maharaj+ %hate&er conce$t you ha&e about yourself cannot be true0 The
3I 7!ness3 is the $ri!e conce$t" and it has to be satisfied by letting it do its
nor!al work in the world0 The i!$ortant thing is the realiAation
of the fact that it is a conce$t0
Cuestioner+ In the world this conce$t is always trying to be at the to$0 E&en to the
children we say" 3*ou !ust be first in the e/a!ination0 3Is it wrong to$ush your
$ersonality and indi&iduality on others'
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M0 %hat is wrong is that you consider yourself to be li!ited to this
body and sha$e0 %hat knowledge I try to gi&e is gi&en to the knowledge 3I
7!3 in each of you" which is the sa!e0 If you try to get that knowledge as an
indi&idual you will ne&er get it0
C0 If GK7!3is a conce$t and it disa$$ears" how is one to know that that conce$t
has disa$$eared'
M0 That 3I 7!3 is a conce$t is to be understood while the conce$t is
there0 2nce it !erges in the original state" who )or what- is there who
wants to know' The illusory entity has disa$$eared0
C0 I a! con&inced that this GK7!3 is a conce$t and it will end" but why should I
take it that it is a false conce$t'
M0 ow and when did this &ery thought co!e' Did this thought not
co!e !erely as a !o&e!ent in that conce$t itself' If the consciousness
were not there" the thought would not be there0
Consciousness is a te!$orary condition which has co!e u$on the
total" ti!eless" s$aceless" changeless state0 It is a ha$$ening which has
co!e and which will disa$$ear0
This $sychoso!atic bundle which is born will suffer or enjoy during
its alloted s$an? so long as I know that I a! not the one who e/$eriences"
but I a! the knower" how a! I concerned'
It is $erfectly clear0 I !erely watch the body" !ind" and
consciousness laugh or suffer0 In suffering it !ay cry out" all right" cry
out0 If it is enjoying" it !ay laugh0 I know it is a te!$orary thing" if it
wants to go" let it go0 %hile I a! talking to you" i!$arting knowledge" at
the sa!e ti!e I a! feeling unbearable $ain" if it beco!es a little !ore
unbearable I !ay whi!$er0 It can do what it likes" I a! not concerned0 So
long as you ha&e not known what this consciousness is" you will fear
death? but when you really understand what this consciousness is" then the
fear lea&es" the idea of dying also will go0
This consciousness is ti!e(bound" but the knower of the
consciousness is eternal" the 7bsolute0
July :" :;<=
Maharaja 2nce the body is gone" that knowledge which e/$erienced
itself as Christ" 1rishna" #uddha" etc0" has subsided" has beco!e one
with the total0 If you abuse the! by word" they do not co!e and ask why
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you are abusing the!" because that knowledge which e/$erienced itself as
one of these has subsided into the totality0 Si!ilarly now" you !ight be a
&ery great $erson but when you go to slee$ you forget yourself as a
se$arate entity0
Don.t say that you are an indi&idual? just stay in the beingness0 The
whole $roble! is the sense of being a se$arate entity ( once that
subsides" that is true bliss0 %ith the arising of the 3I 7!3 the whole of
!anifestation takes $lace? in any acti&ity that which witnesses is the 3I
7!"3 that which is doing all this is !aya" the tendencies" attributes0
This is what I a! trying to tell you" but you want so!ething else"
so!ething that is in the !anifestation ( you want knowledge0
That knowledge 3I 7!3 is new" it is not the ,eal? the ,eal I a! not
telling you" words negate That0 %hate&er I a! telling you is not the
truth" because it has co!e out of this 3I 7!03 The truth is beyond e/(
$ression0
*ou are going all o&er" a!assing knowledge for an indi&idual(This
a!assing of knowledge is not going to hel$ you" because it is in a drea!0
Cuestioner+ ow does Maharaj feel about all the $eo$le co!ing here'
M+ I don.t care0 *ou co!e and listen to !e and go0 If you want it" take it0
If not" go away0 The s$ace in this roo! is neither for" nor against" nor in
lo&e with" the s$ace in that roo!? it is one0
Hike a ri&er flowing" if you want to utiliAe it" you take the water and
drink it" assi!ilate it? otherwise" let it flow $ast0 I a! not charging you" just
like the ri&er is not charging for the water0 *ou are s$ending a lot of
!oney e&ery day? co!e on" you $ut your !oney away and take !y
water0
%hile talking about it I take you to the source of the s$ring? there
water is co!ing out in a trickle0 This water afterwards beco!es a ri&er" an
estuary" beco!es the sea0 I a! taking you again and again to the
source0 2nce you go to the source you will co!e to know there is no
water actually" water is the news of 3I 7!03
There is only one $rinci$le" the $rinci$le 3I 7!03 #ecause you are"
e&erything is0 old it close0 *ou ha&e heard" now li&e accordingly0
C0 My work as a doctor kee$s !e constantly busy" how can I do as Maharaj says'
M0E *ou are engaging in worldly acti&ity e&eryday" but before you go to
slee$ at night forget all that" and think of what I ha&e told you0 Take one
sentence of what I ha&e told you and stay with it? that will lead you to your
source0 LMaharaj tells a storyM+ 7 $erson !eets a !an and the !an gi&es hi!
so!ething to drink" then he tells hi!" 3I ha&e $ut $oison in that drink" and
in si/ !onths you will die03 That $erson beco!es &ery frightened and
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belie&es" that he will die in si/ !onths0 Hater he !eets a friend" and tells
hi! what has ha$$ened and that he will die in si/ !onths0 is friend tells
hi! not to worry" and says" 3ere" drink this" and if you drink it there
will be no death for you03 So the fellow is ha$$y and drinks it0
%ith the0 first conce$t he is full of fright" and con&inced that he is going
to die? later on" the friend gi&es hi! another conce$t which negates the
first conce$t0 This is one of the attributes of the &ital air" getting conce$ts"
ideas" creations" again and again0 It is only when you search for your
Self that you beco!e aware of this0
The &ery source of all ha$$iness is your beingness" be there0 If you get
in&ol&ed with the flow of !aya there will be !isery0 *ou try to deri&e
$leasure fro! the acti&ities of !aya" this is the $roduct of beingness0 #e
still in your beingness0
%hat I ha&e told you" re!e!ber it" chew it" recollect it0 It will lead you
to the stillness0 Establish in that knowledge0
C+ %hat will ha$$en'
M0E It will be clear to you" just as clear as seeing the fi&e fingers on your
hand0 *ou obser&e" this body is !ade of the fi&e ele!ents" and because the
fi&e ele!ental body is there" your beingness" the consciousness has
a$$eared0
*our beingness is there because of this food body and the &ital
breath" and you will be able to watch all these ele!ents ( the body" your
&ital force and your beingness? but you !ust be established in that
knowledge0 In short" you li4uidate that yardstick of body(!ind as your
identity0 %hen this is done" you are Iswara" you are #rah!an0
C0 Then how do I ele&ate it to a higher le&el'
M0 Hea&e it alone5 There is no 4uestion of ele&ating to a higher le&el0
ere it is only a 4uestion of understanding0
Iswara is the !anifestation of the fi&e ele!ents and the uni&erse" the 3I
7!ness03 To the 7bsolute" the witnessing of that 3I 7!ness3 occurs0 This
is the 7bsolute stand$oint" siddha0 This understanding should not be
clai!ed by you" who are a sadhaka0 Sadhaka !eans the $rocess of getting
established in the Iswara $rinci$le" the consciousness0
C0 Hast night 3there was an e/$erience of &ery great &ibration in the body0 In fact
there was no body" just &ibration" no for!" and &ery intense0
M+ %hate&er that &ibration" that is the $roduct of the fi&e ele!ents0
C0 It is not a taste of 3I 7!ness3'
M0E If you want to e/$ress it that way" you !ay0 These are the fi&e ele(
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!ents" three gunas" $rakriti and $urusha" ten ele!ents0 These are the
e/$ressions of your beingness0
C+ So when Maharaj says to stay fir! in the consciousness of not being the
body(!ind" how does that relate to these ten ele!ents'
M+ That talk ( to transcend the body(!ind and establish in your
beingness" is for the kindergarten s$iritual seeker" the lowest le&el0 #ut
now I a! talking to a sadhaka who is getting established in beingness? that
first lesson is o&er now0
C+ 2h5
M+ *our world" your uni&erse" is the e/$ression of your beingness0 The
second ste$" the sadhaka gets established in beingness" Iswara $rinci$le"
!anifestation0 7 sadhaka is !anifestation0
Now" after listening to all these talks" he will lea&e this $lace and tell
$eo$le that he !eets" 3I ha&e !et a Maharaj who was talking" and he has
added confusion worse co!$ounded03
C0 Maharaj.s teaching is &ery clear0 The only thing is that it is ha$$ening
so fast" and that it is clear" so fast0
M0 This !anifestation is Self(effulgent" Self(created" but you are still
wanting to !odify so!ething" you are not through with this0
C+ That is what : a! saying0 The consciousness is aware of being e&erything" that it is
Iswara" then because of so!efir!(set habit of the body(!ind state" all o fa sudden"
s$ontaneously" co!es a desire to !od " or adjust e&erything" and" at that !o!ent
so!ething else ha$$ens that says" Jou can.t adjust it" it is as it is0 3 That is what has
been ha$$ening0
M0 See that you are not in&ol&ed in that0 C+
That is why it is so hel$ful for !e to be here0
M+ The 7bsolute is aloof0 In the slee$ing state the 3I 7!ness3 goes into
obli&ion" he forgets hi!self0 3I 7!ness3 is subjected to the waking and
dee$ slee$ states" but the 7bsolute is also that0 *ou will not co!$rehend
e/actly what it !eans" but as you get established in beingness and trans(
cend that" you will understand how you are beyond dee$ slee$ and wak(
ing" because those are only the characteristics of the beingness0
C+ That 7bsolute" is e aware what is ha$$ening when that 3I 7!ness3goes
to
slee$'
M0 3I 7!ness3 is a sort of tool" with 3I 7!ness3 only e obser&es0 *ou
entertain so!e conce$ts" when you listen to !e0 If you hear so!ething
that tallies with your conce$ts you are 4uite ha$$y ( you say it is knowl(
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edge ( but I co!$letely blast that0 I want to blast all conce$ts and establish
you in a no(conce$t state0
*our beingness is the subtlest" at the sa!e ti!e it has gross 4ualities
latent in it0 Take the seed of the banyan tree+ it is &ery s!all" &ery subtle"
but all the gross !atter is already there" inside0 *our beingness is the
subtlest" and still it contains the entire uni&erse0 It is a continuous $ro(
cess? the seed contains e&erything" re$eat" re$eat" re$eat0 The so(called
s$iritual seeker wants #rah!an" but how' 7s he orders" the #rah!an
should ha$$en like that0 7ccording to your conce$ts" you want to re(
create the #rah!an0
C0 %hich just brings you further fro! the truth0
M0 E&erything is the truth ( the 7bsolute0 #rah!an is created out of
your beingness0 7ll this #rah!an is illusion" ignorance0 *our beingness is
ignorance only" fro! the 7bsolute stand$oint0
%hen you $ursue this s$iritual $ath of understanding the Self" all
your desires just dro$ off ( e&en the $ri!ary desire" to be0 %hen you
stay $ut in that beingness for so!e ti!e" that desire also will dro$ off?
you are in the 7bsolute0
C+ That is what was ha$$ening today" and there is a certain sadness" in realiAing
that" and yet" a great understanding of the 7bsolute0
M0 It is only that consciousness constantly re$eating" receding fro! the
7bsolute" there is no !o&e!ent for you ( It is !inding the show0
%hen you are in consciousness" you understand the nature of con(
sciousness0 This consciousness is e/tinguishing" knowingness is dis(
a$$earing" but nothing affects you" the 7bsolute ( that is the !o!ent of
death" but what !atters' The &ital breath is lea&ing the body" the 3I
7!ness3 receding" but the 3I 7!ness3 is going to the 7bsolute0 That is the
greatest !o!ent" the greatest !o!ent of i!!ortality0 The 3I 7!(
ness3 was there" that !o&e!ent was there" and I obser&e" it is e/(
tinguished0 The ignorant one will get &ery frightened at the !o!ent of
death ( he is struggling ( but for the jnani" it is the ha$$iest !o!ent0
July I" :;<=
Maharaja %hate&er goes on in the world is based on the life force )$ra!
shakti-" but the 7t!an" the witnesser" is totally a$art? no action can be
attributed to the 7t!an0
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So long as you ha&e not understood $ra! shakti" the &ital breath"
whose language is the four ty$es of s$eech which flow through the &ital
breath ( so long as you do not recogniAe it" whate&er the !ind tells you
you are bound to take as certain0 Those conce$ts which the !ind gi&es you
will be final for you"
Cuestioner+ %hat are the four ty$es of s$eech'
M0 They are" Para )source(consciousness-" then $ashyanti )the e!anation
of thoughts-" then !adhya!a )for!ulation of thoughts(words-" and
&aikhari )language e/$lodes out-0 The ordinary ignorant $erson is not
aware of Para and $ashyanti" which starts the whole $rocess" they are too
subtle? he starts working on !adhya!a" which is also identified with the
!ind" and co!es out with words )&aikhari-0
The !ind throws out words and thoughts" and through these we
ha&e !istaken our identity as 3!e3 or 3!ine"3 whereas whate&er takes
$lace is inde$endent of the one who witnesses and is based entirely on the
life force0 This consciousness has !istakenly identified itself with the body"
and with thoughts or words0 It considers itself to be guilty of so!ething" or
that it has ac4uired !erit by so!e action" whereas e&erything !erely
takes $lace through the action of the life force0
The one who understands this &ital breath" the life force" is beyond all
!ental conce$ts0 The one who has not understood it is a sla&e to his
thoughts0
C? 7fter $rolonged use of the !antra" will it get dissol&ed'
M0E #oth the !antra and the faith in the !antra will get dissol&ed0 There is
a $ur$ose in the !antra0 In India the !antra has great efficacy0 #y
concentrating on the !antra the for! behind the !antra will a$$ear out of the
ether" but all this is ti!e bound0 Man has e&ol&ed all kinds of things for his
own $reser&ation" the $reser&ation of the consciousness0
I a! not any longer concerned with" and no longer want" the
continuation of either the body or the &ital breath0
That bundle of three states and three attributesF has been born" and
whate&er ha$$ens" ha$$ens to that bundle" and I a! not concerned
with it0 That is why I a! totally fearless" without any reaction to a
disease which would be trau!atic to others0
a&ing known that I a! not that which has been born" yet there is
so!e little attach!ent to that with which I ha&e been associated for a
long ti!e ( it is a s$eck of attach!ent because of eighty(four years. asso(
ciation0 Say I !eet so!eone fro! !y ho!etown who! I ha&e known
F %aking" slee$ and .I 7!. consciousness ( the F gunar ( sa8wa" rgja" ta!er0
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for a long ti!e" he co!es and he goes away" so I bid hi! goodbye" and
there is that little s$eck of attach!ent" because I ha&e known hi! for a
long ti!e0
The consciousness which is born thinks that it is the body and works
through the three gunas" but I ha&e nothing to do with this" the whole
thing is an illusion0
C0 %ill there be no continuation of !e!ories after death'
M+ 2nly if there is sugar cane" or sugar" will there be sweetness0 If the
body is not there" how can there be !e!ories" the beingness itself is
gone0
C0 ow does one know what re!ains'
M0 There are twenty $eo$le in this roo!" all twenty $eo$le lea&e" then
what re!ains is there" but so!eone who has left cannot understand
what it is0 So in that Parabrah!an which is without attributes" without
identity" unconditioned" who is there to ask'
This is to be understood" but not by so!eone+ the e/$erience and the
e/$eriencer !ust be one" you !ust beco!e the e/$erience0 %hat is this
Parabrah!an like' The answer is" what is #o!bay' Don.t gi&e !e the
geogra$hy or the at!os$here of #o!bay" gi&e !e a handful of #o!bay0
%hat is #o!bay' It is i!$ossible to say" so also with Parabrah!an0 There is
no gi&ing or taking of Parabrah!an" you can only be That0
C+ %e want the state which Maharaj enjoys0
M0 The eternal Truth is there" but for witnessing it is of no use0 *ou
gi&e u$ this study in the na!e of religion or s$irituality" or whate&er you
are trying to study0 Do only one thing" that 3I 7!ness3 or consciousness is
the 6odliest $rinci$le? it is there only so long as the &ital breath is there ( it is
$resently your nature0 *ou worshi$ that only0 That 3I 7!ness. is
so!ething like the sweetness of the sugar cane" abide in the sweetness of
your beingness" then only you will reach and abide in eternal $eace0
C0 I feel the life force energy $olariAed and intensified in !y body in the $resence of
Maharaj0
M0 In $racticing !editation the life force gets $urified" and when it is
$urified the light of the Self shines forth" but the" working $rinci$le is the
life force0 %hen this $urified life force and the light of the 7t!an )Self-
!erge" then the conce$t" the !ind" the i!agination" e&erything is taken
away0 The life force is the acting $rinci$le and that which gi&es sentience to
the $erson is the consciousness0
C0 This is what the tradition of shi&a and shakti signifies'
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M+ Shi&a !eans the consciousness and shakti is the life force0 Peo$le go
by &arious na!es which ha&e been gi&en" and forget the basic $rinci$le0
Merely sit in conte!$lation and let the consciousness unfold itself0
%hat ha&e you understood'
C" This consciousness starts to get a greater sense of itself" and the $rang and the
body.s energy beco!es intensified and $olariAed" it see!s to be $art of the $urification0
M0 %hen this consciousness and the $ra! shakti )life force- !erge" they
tend to go and beco!e steady in the #rah!a(randra" and then all thoughts
cease0 This is the start of sa!adhi" Then one co!es back again and the life
force starts its nor!al acti&ities0
July ;" :;<=
Maharaja 8nderstand that it is not the indi&idual which has
consciousness" it is the consciousness which assu!es innu!erable for!s0
That so!ething which is born or which will die is $urely i!aginary0 It is
the child of a barren wo!an0
In the absence of this basic conce$t 3I 7!3 there is no thought" there is
no consciousness0
Cuestioner+ Maharaj has said that ifyou stay in the consciousness" the beingness" it
will auto!atically ha$$en" that you will transcend the consciousness0 Is this true" there
is nothing !ore to be done'
M0 Su$$ose I a! sitting here and you co!e" I co!e to know that you
are" the witnessing ha$$ens auto!atically0 as anything been done'
No0 It is like that0 It is si!$le0 *ou should understand0 Just like a raw
!ango beco!es a ri$e !ango" it ha$$ens0 Many $eo$le get satisfied in the
consciousness state0
C+ I a! not going to be satisfied until I a! in Maharaj s state0
M0 %hate&er you consider yourself to be at the !o!ent" when you get rid
of that" whate&er your true nature" it is s$ontaneous0 7bide in the words
of the 6uru0
C %hen you read Maharaj.s teachings you want &ery !uch to be in his co!$any0
There is so!ething &ery enli&ening about that0 Is it i!$ortant or essential'
M0 It is &ery ad&antageous to get rid of all your doubts0 That.s why the
4uestions and answers are re4uired0 This is the $lace where you get rid
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of all conce$ts0 The trees which are near the sandalwood tree also ha&e
the sa!e s!ell" because of $ro/i!ity0
%hat is the Self' If you want to e/$and" the entire world is the
!anifestation0 7t the sa!e ti!e it is &ery tiny ( the seed beingness ( like
an ato!" a $in$rick of 3I 7!ness03
That is the &ery source of lo&e0 Such a $otential is there" ha&ing
$ro&ided that lo&e to the entire world? it re!ains in that seed 3I 7!"3 the
lefto&er is that 3I 7!03 That $in$rick or touch of 3I 7!ness3 is the
4uintessence of all essence0
2ne !ust ha&e fir! abidance or faith in the words of the 6uru0 ere I
do not re$eat or i!itate what other sages do0 I a! not cha!$ioning any
religion0 I ha&e no $ose or stance for anything" not e&en that I a! a !an or
a wo!an0 The !o!ent you acce$t any $ose or stance you ha&e to take care
of that by following certain disci$lines relating to that $ose0 I abide in the
Self only0
I do not belie&e that anybody did e/ist $rior to !e0 %hen !y being(
ness a$$eared" then e&erything a$$eared0 Prior to !y beingness"
nothing was0 2riginally I a! without any stig!a" unco&ered by any(
thing0
The Para!at!an is the core Self" the highest Self0 Its identity is without
any stig!a" it is subtler than s$ace0
%hy are you dying' 8nderstand the first !o!ent" when you
understood that you are0 Due to what' ow'
2nce you understand this" you are the highest of the 6ods (the
$oint at which e&erything rises? the source and the end is the sa!e $oint0
2nce you understand that $oint" you are released fro! that $oint0
Nobody tries to understand this ha$$ening of the 3I 7!ness03 I" the
7bsolute a! not this 3I 7!ness03
In !editation your beingness should !erge in itself" a non(dual
state0 ,e!ain still0 Do not struggle to co!e out of the !ud of your
conce$ts" you will only go dee$er0 ,e!ain still0
July :J" :;<=
Maharaja %hat is the effect of what I ha&e s$oken on you'
Cuestioner+ %hate&er Maharaj has s$oken is the truth" but I also re4uest hi! to
show !e a way0 Maharaj says that sadhana is not the way" but the deter!ination
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that I a! the consciousness is a &ery difficult thing0 I a! $racticing0
M+ %ho is $racticing' It has no for!" it is dwelling in this body0 ow
long will it continue and what is the gain' 7bide in the Self only0 8ntil
then it will continue the sadhana? once it is established in the Self" the
objecti&e" the $erson who is $racticing" and the $rocess of $racticing is
gone0 7 sankal$a indicates a need" an objecti&e0
C0 %hat is a sankal$a'
M+ *ou want a !edical degree" that is the sankal$a0 Sadhana is the study"
$ractice" ho!ework0 *ou wanted to !eet !e today" that is a sankal$a0 *ou
walked here and cli!bed the stairs" that is the sadhana0 That sankal$a has
no for!" the one who !akes the sankal$a also has no for!0 So long as you
are identifying with the for! the $ractice will go on0 2nce you reach the
objecti&e" which is that you are not the body(!ind" then there is no
$ractice0
*ou ha&e great faith in the #haga&ad 6ita+ is this correct'
C0 *es0
M0E 6ita is a song sung by Hord 1rishna0 e sang the song just as I a!
singing this talk to you now? this is ,g 6ita0 *ou ha&e read the #haga&ad
6ita" recited it" re!e!bered it? but what is i!$ortant' *ou !ust get to
know that 1rishna who sang that 6ita0 *ou !ust get his knowledge"
what he is0
Is it not an incarnation' In short" fro! nothingness the for! is
taken? the nothingness descends into for!" that is 7&atar0 Nor!ally we say
fro! nothingness a $erson is there" but for these great $ersonalities" great
sages" you will say 7&atar0 7re you trying to understand that 1rishna'
No" you are creating certain conce$ts and trying to understand hi!0
That is not correct0 Bro! nothingness he was ( how did it ha$$en' This
incarnation you !ust understand" the descending into 7&atar" or for!?
what is this' Prior to incarnation that $ersonality had no knowledge about
hi!self" after descending into (this incarnation he started knowing
hi!self0 %hat are your co!!ents'
C+ #efore 7&atar he had no knowledge of hi!self'
M0 #efore descending into this 7&atar this knowledge 4uality is not
there0
C0 #ut Parabrah!an 000
M0 These are all conce$tual titles and na!es? they are shackles on you0 In
your core Self there is no i!$osition of any title or na!e" e/ternally you
ha&e acce$ted the!0
7ny e!bodied $erson with the knowledge 3I 7!3 carries on his acti&i(
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ties in the world with the na!e only0 That inner core" the 3I 7!3 has no
shackles0 2nce it is understood that I a! that 3I 7!3 only" and not this
shackled for!" then no liberation is called for? that itself is liberation0
*ou know the historical facts about Sri 1rishna by heart" but you
!ust know what this incarnation is0 Na!es are the handcuffs" the bond(
age0 E&ery $erson is shackled because of his identification with the body0
%ithout that na!e and for!" $lease $roceed to talk and 4uestion0
C+ The only words I ha&e are &ery !uch words with na!e and for!0 They are
words of gratitude0 6ratitude for what Maharaj has blessed !e with since I ha&e been
here0 To e&en see a sage in one.s lifeti!e would be an inco!$arable grace" and to ha&e had
.so !uch grace fro! hi! in the for! of his instructions just o&erwhel!s !e" and there is
absolutely no way I can e&er thank hi!0
M0 %hat do you !ean by grace' 6race !eans that you ha&e co!e to
!e0 I and that you are only one0 That you understand that we are one is
grace0
C0 7t ti!es like these that is the hardest thing to understand0
M+ 6race !eans totality" wholeness" there is no frag!entation0
C0
LanotherM %hy I a! ostraciAed' %hy can.t I see the truth'
M0 *ou are ostraciAed because you are identifying with the body(!ind
and the !e!ory that you are a body0 6i&e u$ that identity" and that
!e!ory" and then whate&er you see will be the truth0
This is a &ery rare" a &ery $recious o$$ortunity" wherein you get this
conflu/ of three entities+ body" &ital force and the touch of 3I 7!ness"3
and with this alone you can reach right u$ to the 7bsolute ( you can
abide in the 7bsolute0
In the na!e of s$irituality $eo$le carry out &arious ty$es of acting"
likeja$a" $enances" etc0 2nce you acce$t that actors $ose" you undergo the
disci$lines and therefore all the sufferings are related to that0 This is not
going to lead you to the 8lti!ate" the 7bsolute0
Bor you" the first ste$ is worshi$ that &ital breath? here you !ust
focus your attention on that &ital breath $ulsation ( and together with
that" carry out the na!e(ja$a0 %hen you do that" the &ital breath will be
$urified" and in the $rocess of $urification this beingness will o$en u$0
Just reciting the na!e of 6od is concentrating the &ital breath0 The
!eaning of the !antra is that you are not the na!e or for!0
7ll the D> hours this &ital breath" or &ital force" through &arious
$erce$tions" is recording the $ictures of all your e/$eriences and
!e!oriAing whate&er is rele&ant0 Can you do that with your intellect'
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C+ Lnewco!erM I saw the article in the Mountain Path> about Maharaj and I ha&e
co!e to ask his blessings0
M+ *our s$iritual ac4uisitions" e&erything is &ery good" but when you f
inally realiAe yourself you will co!e to the conclusion that all is useless"
redundant" su$erfluous0
C0 That is why I a! asking for the blessing of Maharaj ( to ha&e that e/$erience0 M+
In that highest state there is no e/$erience0 E/$erience" e/$eriencing"
e/$eriencer ( e&erything is only one0
C+ Can Maharaj gi&e a $ush to reach that state'
M0 So!ebody has already gi&en a $ush to you and that is why you ha&e
co!e here0 Bro! the front you are $ushed backward0 ,ecede into the
source0 LTo anotherM as your talking !achine gone out of order'
C+ #efore I ac4uired this body" did I know e&erything'
M0 *ou were $erfect" total0
C0 Just because I a! encased in this body I a! suffering0
M0 ow did you reach your $arents' Deliberate on that0
C0 I had the desire'
M0 Bor the ti!e being let us assu!e that you had the desire" but just teli
!e" how did you reach those $arents'
CE I do not know0
M0 %hate&er you do not know is $erfect0 %hate&er you know is
i!$erfect" fraudulent0
C0 Just because I a! encased in the body I a! in agony to be $erfect" which I a! not0
M+ %hy do you worry about this encase!ent in a body'
C+ %ho is worrying' That cannot be !e0
M+ The worrier is not you" it is the affair of the intelligence0 LIn English
Maharaj said" 3*ou 000 No53M Now I a! talking in English0
C0E The English language is blessed0
M+ My teaching is s$read a!ong all the foreigners through the English
language0 @ery intelligent $eo$le" &ery ad&anced" thousands of the!0
The beauty lies in the fact that !y knowledge will be in conflagration in
foreign countries0 It will be s$read in 7!erica and fro! there it will be
s$read back to the Indians0 %hen the Indians recei&e it they will say" 3It
>Mountain Path )Tiru&anna!alai" S0 India+ Sri ,a!anasra!-
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 F:
has the a$$ro&al of the foreigners" therefore we will acce$t it03? that is
the nature of the Indians0 Indians are like this0 If so!ebody goes to
7!erica or England and works" e&en washing dishes" when he returns
!any $eo$le will go to see hi! and $resent garlands? that is our nature0
C0 ,a!ana Maharshi was a great sage" he was unknown in India0 %hen Paul
#runton wrote the book in English about hi!" e&erybody went to see hi! and he
beca!e well known0
M I agree with that0 ,a!ana Maharshi was disco&ered by Paul #runton
and I was disco&ered by Maurice Bryd!an0
July :;" :;<=
Maharaj+ In this s$iritual hierarchy" fro! the grossest to the" subtlest"
you are the subtlest0 ow can this be realiAed' The &ery base is that you
don.t know you are" and suddenly the feeling of 3I 7!ness3 a$$ears0
The !o!ent it a$$ears you see s$ace" !ental s$ace? that subtle" skylike
s$ace" stabiliAe you there0 *ou are that0 %hen you are able to
stabiliAe in that state" you are the s$ace only0
%hen this s$ace(like identity 3I 7!3 disa$$ears" the s$ace also will
disa$$ear" there is no s$ace0
%hen that s$ace(like 3I 7!3 goes into obli&ion" that is the eternal
state" nirguna" no for!" no beingness0 7ctually" what did ha$$en there'
This !essage 3I 7!3 was no !essage0 Dealing with this as$ect" I cannot
talk !uch because there is no sco$e to $ut it into words0
Cuestioner+ Does Maharaj go into sa!adhi'
M0 I a! stabiliAed in the ighest0 There is no going into sa!adhi" or
co!ing down fro! sa!adhi? that is o&er0
C0 Should we continue our !editation'
M0E It doesn.t !ean this is an e/cuse for you to gi&e u$ !editation" you
!ust $ersist in !editation until you co!e to a stage when you feel there is
no !editation0 %hen the $ur$ose of !editation is gained it will dro$ off
naturally0
C %hich is the way to the Su$re!e state'
M0 There is no 4uestion of going into that state0 *ou are the Su$re!e
state" but whate&er ignorance you ha&e will dro$ off0
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I.&e been ad&ised by doctors not to talk" therefore I a! not talking0
C0 Is there a desire not to die and lose your body'
M0 The sage is not concerned with that0
C0 Is there a desire of the body" not of the Self'
M+ *ou !ay say so!ething like that? this is the ad!inistrati&e action of
that beingness0
It is a &ery co!$licated riddle0 *ou ha&e to discard whate&er you
know" whate&er you ha&e read" and ha&e a fir! con&iction about That
about which nobody knows anything0 *ou can.t get any infor!ation
about That" and about That you !ust ha&e fir! con&iction0 ow diffi(
cult it is0
Most $eo$le reach that state which is" but nobody reaches that state
which is not0 It is &ery rarely that one can reach that state0 It transcends all
knowledge0
Most essential is that knowledge 3I 7!03 Clai! it" a$$ro$riate it as
you own0 If that is not there" nothing is0 1nowledge of all the stages will be
obtained only with the aid of this knowledge 3I 7!03
Bro! the 7bsolute no(knowing state" s$ontaneously" this con(
sciousness 3I 7!3 has a$$eared (there is no reason" no cause0 S$on(
taneously it has co!e" with the waking state" dee$ slee$" the fi&e ele(
!ental $lay" three 6unas" and Prakriti and Purusha0 Then it e!braces the
body as its self and therefore identifies as a !ale or a fe!ale0 This 3I 7!(
ness3 has its own lo&e to be+ it wants to re!ain" to $er$etuate itself" but it
is not eternal0
This $assing show !ay be likened to the following situation+ su$$ose
I was well all along" then suddenly I was sick and the doctor ga&e !e
!edicine0 7fter three days !y fe&er was gone0 So this stage of fe&er for
three days is the 3I 7!3 consciousness0 E/actly like that (a $assing
show" a ti!e(bound state0 This $rinci$le lo&es to be" and one !ust not
belittle it ( it is a &ery 6odly $rinci$le0 This 3I 7!ness3 contains the en(
tire cos!os0
It is said that all this is unreal0 %hen is it certified as unreal' 2nly
when one understands this te!$orary $hase0 7nd in the $rocess of
understanding one is in the 7bsolute and fro! there recogniAes this as a
te!$orary" unreal state0
In !y $resent state I a! not able to talk !uch0 The difficulty is that
you ha&e been acce$ting this as real and I ha&e to dis$ro&e this and a lot of
talking is to be done by !e" which I a! not in a $osition to do now0 So"
you go now" do bhajans0
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July D=" :;<=
Maharaj+ *ou are ha&ing e/$eriences in the world with body and
!ind" but what do you know about your identity' *ou ha&e an i!age of
yourself" but that identity is only a te!$orary thing0
Cuestioner+ %hat is !ind'
M+ Mind is the language of the &ital breath0 That !ind(language will
talk only about the i!$ressions it has collected0 The knowledge 3I 7!3 is not
a thought but obser&es the" thoughts0
2ut of $rana" the $rana&a" the beginning of sound" in the sound is the lo&e
to be0 The inner!ost" subtlest $rinci$le is that gnawing $rinci$le 3I 7!" I
7!"3 without words" by which you know you are0 It has no for! or i!age"
it is only beingness" the lo&e to be0
Para shakti is the beingness or lo&e to be0 The ne/t stage of the Para
shakti is Para shunti" the for!ation but not yet $erce$tible0 The ne/t stage
is !ind for!ation+ the language is for!ed in the !ind" ne/t is the e/$lo(
sion of words" &ocal words0 In this where are you' This is a $rocess ha$(
$ening0
Bor you I a! e/$ounding &ery secret knowledge about your own
beingness" how it ca!e about ( that is what I a! talking about0
This $lay is just ha$$ening? you are not $laying a $art0 %hen you
are ignorant" you think you are $laying a $art in this !anifest world0
There is no one working deliberately ( it is ha$$ening s$ontaneously0
*ou cannot clai! anything in this $rocess0 %hen you are thoroughly
knowledgeable you will co!e to the conclusion that this beingness is also
an illusion0
C0 %ho recogniAes that it is illusion or ignorance'
M0 2nly that one recogniAes or witnesses all that as ignorance0 That
one cannot understand That one" he can witness and understand only the
ignorance0 The one who recogniAes all this as ignorance" that one is
knowledgeable0 %hy are you calling !ejnani and listening to !y talks'
#ecause I ha&e recogniAed and understood that child ignorance" the 3I
7!ness"3 and ha&e transcended that0
Binally you ha&e to understand that the $rinci$le which you are using to
talk" to !o&e about" and o$erate in this world" is not you0
C( I ha&e read and listened to so !any stories about the different sages and $ersonalities
of the $ast" and they were all dierent" they founded different sects" etc0? why is this so'
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M+ 7ccording to the ti!e and the situation they ha&e taught their
conce$ts" but they are conce$ts !eant only for that $eriod" that situation"
and then their conce$ts ha&e de&elo$ed into religions0
7ll of you $resu!e that you are &ery knowledgeable s$iritually0
#efore you think of deri&ing any benefit out of anything" first of all" find
out what is your identity0
July D:" :;<=
Cuestioner+ %hy did I take this for!'
Maharaj+ #ecause you were a fool0 If you had known anything about it" you
would not ha&e co!e into this world0
C+ Birst I hadn.t any for!" isn.t that so'
M0E *es" e&en now you don.t ha&e any for!0 It is not your sha$e" it is the
sha$e of the seed0
C Isn.t it the nature of the seed that it grows" like a tree grows out of a seed'
M0 It is its nature0
C+ So" I a! not to bla!e0 The seed !ust be foolish0
M0 #ecause the seed is foolish it has co!e like this0 The seed is the original
foolish state" yet what big titles are gi&en to that seed0 The seed is
transient" and the whole world is full of the seeds0 7ll the fi&e ele!ents" all
the objecti&e world" is in that seed0 *ou are not the seed ( you are the
obser&er of the seed0
Bor !any centuries the %estern $eo$le were not interested in s$iritual
!atters" but now they ha&e realiAed that" in s$ite of all their riches" they
cannot get real $eace" so they are searching for the truth now0 The nearer
you get to the truth" the !ore you lose interest in worldly affairs0 Such a
one will not ha&e any $articular interest in the world" but will act like an
ordinary $erson0
The su! and substance of s$irituality is nothing but to co!e to a
decision" !ake a judg!ent" about the Self" 6od and the world ( what is it'
*ou !ust first dis$ose of this 4uestion0
This world is filled u$0 with selfishness due to your association with the
body0 2nce you know what these $rinci$les are" then you dissol&e the
$ersonality" and in the $rocess that selfishness &anishes because you are
no !ore an indi&idual0
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C0 ow can I be in !y true state and lose !y fear'
M0 *ou are already in your true state0 #ecause of the !ind" duality
co!es in and therefore you are afraid0 The association with the body and
!ind is because of lo&e for the body(!ind? that is going to go away"
therefore e&eryone is afraid of death0
C0 The world is gi&en to!e by !y senses0 %hen you go beyond that state of 3I
7!ness3 do you e/$erience the world'
M0E There is no 4uestion of going beyond0 I was ne&er born" will ne&er die0
%hate&er is ( is all the ti!e0 6oing beyond is only an idea !eant to
re!o&e all other ideas you ha&e accu!ulated0 *ou think about birth0 Do you
know anything about your birth'
C+ No" I do not know that : a! born0 I feel that I a! really not born" and yet the
world see!s so real0
M0 Do not worry about the world0 Birst start fro! here+ the 3I 7!"3 and
then find out what is the world0 Bind out the nature of this 3I03
CE %hy find out about the 3:3 which is not real'
M0E It is the seed fro! which e&erything co!es out0 If the seed is not
there" the uni&erse is not0 ow ha&e you co!e into this so(called objecti&e
world' ere e&erything will be wi$ed out0 I in&ite you" in your own
interest" to go ho!e0
July DD" :;<=
Maharaja 7ll these discussions are an e/change of ideas and !ental
entertain!ent" !eant to while away the ti!e0
Cuestioner+ If you don.t !ake so!e kind of effort" you get nowhere0
M0 Don.t think that so!e $rogress has to be !ade0 *ou will continue to do
so!ething" e&en if it is conce$tual" but the one who understands that he is
already there" what will he do'
C0 2kay" but isn.t there tre!endous sco$e for self dece$tion here'
M0 %ho is this who is going to be self(decei&ed' C+
The e!$irical ego0
M0 There is no entity0 It is not $ossible for a $heno!enal object to
achie&e so!ething" and this is only a $heno!enal object0
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C0 Don.t you ha&e to !ake that effort to stand back'
M0E Not doing anything !eans what kind of doing'
C0 2ur nor!al way of li&ing is identifying0 If we stand back" is there a 4ualitati&e
difference'
M+ Carry on your entertain!ent" but don.t be under the !isa$$rehension
that you are doing anything0
C+ %hen I say that : a! 6od" how co!e $eo$le don.t co!e and $rostate before !e'
M0 If you ha&e truly understood that you are 6od" before that con&iction
co!es you will ha&e lost your identity" you will ha&e !erged with the total
!anifestation" therefore who will e/$ect who! to co!e and do $rana!s'
C+ Is there such a thing as using one.s will to do so!ething' If one is trying to stay
awake"" saying a !antra" or !editating" and kee$s $ulling hi!self back fro! slee$" is
he not doing so!ething'
M0 7t the stage of a seeker what he is doing !ay be right" but he will
soon find out that the seeker disa$$ears in the seeking0 %hen the seeker
disa$$ears there is no 4uestion of doing0 Hater the seeker will under(
stand that it was not his true nature which was doing all this" but that to
which the label 3born3 was attached ( that is the consciousness which
has identified itself with the body and the states of waking and slee$ing0
That whole bundle is what was doing and he is not that0 This body is
$erce$tible" but !y true nature is That which was before the body and the
consciousness ca!e into being0 7nything that is sensorially seen and in(
ter$reted by the !ind is an a$$earance in consciousness" and is not true0
I a! not telling you anything which is foreign to !y e/$erience" I a!
telling you what I ha&e understood and e/$erienced0 It is &ery si!$le+
this is ti!e(bound and anything which is ti!e(bound is untrue" because
ti!e itself is a conce$t0
%hat I a! telling you is based on this si!$le fact" as it is based on !y
e/$erience0 If it a$$eals to you as a conce$t at the !o!ent" acce$t it0
2therwise not0
If at all you want to do so!ething" do that which you cannot do at all0
That is the state of no(being0
C0 There is a constant restlessness in the !ind" wanting to realiAe so!ething? that in
itself see!s to be an obstacle0
M+ 7re you $rior to the !ind or after'
C0 Prior to the !ind0
M0 So don.t worry about the !ind0 E!$loy your !ind to the e/tent that is
useful for your nor!al daily chores" not beyond that0
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M0( The knowledgeable one just witnesses or cancels whate&er
e/$eriences are obtainable through the !ind as ha&ing no substance0 7ll
this world $lay is in the real! of the !ind? once you understand that you
are not the !ind in what way are you concerned' This is a te!$orary $hase"0
i!$erfect" inade4uate0
C0 E&en beingness is an i!$erfect te!$orary $hase'
M0 That consciousness is a $roduct of the food essence body? the body
is the fuel on which 3I 7!ness3 is sustained0 Do you not obser&e what
the body is' Is it not a !orsel of food and water' Presently you are e!(
broiled in this 3I 7!ness"3 but you ( the 7bsolute ( are not this 3I
7!ness03
C %hat you are saying is" e&en the 3I 7!ness" 3 the way you recogniAe it in the
!ind" that is not the way it is actually'
M0 Take it like this+ this is as good or as bad an e/$erience as ha&ing a
tu!!y ache or a $ain in the neck0 In !y $erfect state Lne&er had a $ain"
but when the 3I 7!ness3 was there" suddenly I felt the $ain0 That 3I
7!ness3 will !erge" will disa$$ear" I a! the $erfect state when 3I
7!ness3 was not0 I definitely know that 3I 7!ness3 was not0 Just as I
ha&e to suffer a chronic ail!ent I suffer this beingness0 Just understand at
what le&el I a! talking" to what le&el I a! leading you0
Just i!agine the flight to which this s$iritual talk has gone0 The nor!al
s$iritual a$$roach e&erywhere is to worshi$ this consciousness with so
!any titles" but to !e it is a $ain and I want to get rid of that0
July DF" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Maharaj says all that is necessary is to be aware0 The !ind kee$s on
casting doubts" and $articularly kee$s on saying that there !ust be !ore $ractices or"
so!ething !ore to be done0
Maharaj+ 7ll the acti&ities are in the field of consciousness" the !ind"
and &ital force0 The knower of the !ind is just a witness0 It does not
interfere in anything0
6uru.s grace !eans the knowledge you are0 %hen you stabiliAe in
this con&iction" that will o$en u$ and gi&e you all the knowledge and
that is the grace0
If you are there" then e&erything is i!!easurably there0 *ou gi&e no
F< 9 P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS
significance to the fact that you are ( you are carried away by all the
!anifestation which is the e/$ression of your beingness0
C+ My tendency is to look outward" rather than inward0
M0 That is the 4uality of your 3I 7!ness"3 not of you" the 7bsolute0
*ou ha&e e!braced the body as your Self0 That also is su$erficial" you
don.t know what is ha$$ening inside the body either0
C0 Correct0 I don.t know what.s ha$$ening in !y organs or how they act0
M0 7ll the actions ha$$ening in this wide world" the sa!$les of all
those" are also ha$$ening in the body0
C0 That which is" does not know ItseNP
M0 In that state you do not know you are0 %ith the tool" or aid" of
beingness you know you are0
C0 %ith the tool we try to go beyond'
M0 Don.t try to go beyond consciousness" only recogniAe" understand"
what the beingness is" that does the trick0 The $roof that consciousness
was not lies with you only0 *ou" the 7bsolute" are the $roof of that0
S$ontaneously" uncalled for" this beingness has co!e and this beingness is
being witnessed by you" the 7bsolute0 7sk 4uestions ( you will not ha&e
such an o$$ortunity again0
C+ The urge is not so !uch to ask 4uestions" as to just be with Maharaj0
M+ That is 4uite $ro$er0 Just by sitting here 4uietly and listening to the
talks you !ind will be annihilated0 In case the !ind s$routs again you
forestall it by asking 4uestions0
The !ind is s$routing" e/$ressing itself with &arious conce$ts0 Don.t
identify with that" let it go0 Don.t be a custo!er to your !ind conce$ts0
C+ Things like getting food" eating at regular ti!es" earning !oney" all these are
conce$ts of the !ind and are res$onded to by the !ind0 If one does not res$ond to
these things" then how does one li&e'
M0 #y all !eans e!$loy the !ind" but don.t get lost in the !ind0
2bser&e the !ind" be a witness to the !ind flow0
July DI" :;<=
Cuestioner+ I ha&e co!e to Maharaj in the ho$e that he !ay hel$ !e $ut an end to this
search0
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Maharaja Can you co!!unicate to !e what you ha&e understood' C It
is all conce$ts" all illusion0
M0 *es0
C I don.t belie&e in $rocesses that take ti!e and disci$lines" I.&e done all that0 I
want it to end0
M0E The basic fact ( that you are not the body ( !ust be clear to you by
now0 *ou are working in the world and you think that you are doing that
work" but what is really ha$$ening is this+ the life force" when it co!es out
in thoughts and words" is the !ind" so it is this $ra! !ind" life force !ind"
which is the acting $rinci$le0 The beingness" the consciousness" is the 6od
which witnesses the life force and !ind working0 It does not interfere? it
!erely witnesses0 The reason for your unha$$iness is that you think it is
you are working0
C0 I realiAe that anything I say is a conce$t arising out of !y consciousness0
M+ That you are" and the world is" are both conce$ts0 *ou !ust know
that0
C0 ow does this knowledge work' I !ean+ you tell !e words and there co!es a
sense of understanding0 Is it a !ental $rocess' Is there still a faculty witnessing all
this'
M+ The !ind understands because of the consciousness0
C Then it is all an auto!atic ha$$ening'
M0 That is true0 The !ind inter$rets whate&er the conce$t is" the base is
consciousness on which the conce$t arises at the !o!ent0
C So what is there actually to attain ifyou cannot change this consciousness and
you cannot touch" cannot reach by words' It is there all the ti!e" right now0 So for
what are we here' Doing belongs to the !ind ( that is clear ( it is going on like an
auto!aton0 I see clearly now0 I want this !ind to surrender to the consciousness0 Do you
understand'
M+ 7ll this conce$tualiAing" all this articulation" has been taking $lace
only after the original conce$t arose that you are 0 %hat was the $osition
before this conce$t arose' 7t that ti!e did you ha&e any conce$ts" any
needs'
C Hike dee$ slee$'
M0E This conce$t that it is like dee$ slee$ is not incorrect" but it is still a
conce$t" and the original state is beyond conce$ts0
C %hat is the fact now'
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M+ That you are awake is itself a conce$t at this !o!ent0 Het this sink in0
C0 It.s a !o&ie0
M0 6o back to the source+ before this conce$t of beingness" 3I 7!"3
arose" what was your state'
C" I don.t know0
M+ That which you don.t know" that is the right state0 E&erything that
co!es after this consciousness is attained" is like a dose of salts ( it is
useless" consciousness is useless0
C0 So the search" all as$ects of it" belongs to the sa!e'
M0 Throw away e&ery thought" e&ery e/$erience" e&erything that ha$$ens
after this consciousness has co!e0 2ther than throwing it away as useless"
there is nothing to be done beyond this fir! understanding in which you
beco!e !ore and !ore absorbed0
7ugust :" :;<=
Maharaja 7ll your worldly and unworldly acti&ities are based on the
indi&idual identification0 *ou" as an indi&idual" want to ha&e liberation0
*ou re!ain as an indi&idual" that is the difficulty0
owe&er !uch you !ay think you ha&e understood this knowledge" so
long as you think that you" as an indi&idual" ha&e ac4uired that
knowledge" the indi&idual identity is still there0
2ne who has !ade certain $rogress which gi&es hi! so!e tangible
results is a *ogi" but because his self identity is there he rests content
with what he has achie&ed as an indi&idual0
*ou !ust understand both the as$ects of this beingness" this lowly
$hysical nature fro! which it has arri&ed" and that at the sa!e ti!e
there is no end to what this consciousness can do although this state is by
nature li!ited0 ow can he who is aware of his true nature and the total
$otential be satisfied with anything that this li!ited state can gi&e hi!'
Burther" the $otential of his abiding in the 7bsolute is so great that
$eo$le are not able to i!agine how it could be in the 7bsolute" what it is
like ( therefore they can only think of hi! in his consciousness state0
Cuestioner+ ow can one understand that we abide in consciousness'
M0E ,ight now you are in that state" but you always try to judge through
body(!ind0 *ou are still attached to the body(!ind0 E&en if you !ight
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li&e for a hundred years" you would still like an e/tension of fi&e years0 In the
7bsolute there is no need of any kind" e&en the need to know oneself0
C+ There !ust be so!e cause for this te!$orary state arising out of the 7bsolute'
M0 #ecause of the friction or interaction of the fi&e ele!ents this te!$o(
rary $hase has occurred0 Bor e/a!$le" there were two inti!ate friends"
whose friendshi$ had endured for a &ery long ti!e" but suddenly there was
so!e friction" so!e disagree!ent" and i!!ediately they had a fight0
C0 7t the ti!e of death there !ight be a &ery trau!atic e/$erience" $hysical and
!ental0
M0 It is not always so0 Bor the one who has $urified the !ind of all
conce$ts" to that one death will be &ery blissful0
*ou ha&e had a lot of learning and s$iritual wisdo! and still with all
this" at the !o!ent of death you will o$en your diary" wherein you ha&e
noted all your relati&es0
C0 %ith your blessings I will ha&e a $eaceful death" I will not re!e!ber anybody0
M0 7bide in the high state0 *ou ha&e to do nothing" only the listening0 If
you listen correctly" e&erything will ha$$en0 Now I ha&e told you what this
beingness is" it is the outco!e of the fi&e ele!ental $lay? that knowingness
is the result of this food body" and you are not that0 So why worry about
the de$arture of the knowingness'
a&e you understood that you are the witness of the consciousness
that a$$ears on you' *ou are not the consciousness" you are not the
knowledge" sat(guru is your true nature0
Consciousness cannot be se$arate fro! the world and the uni&erse"
it is the sa!e0 This is !y !aya" it has co!e out of !e" and" I know that I
a! not the !aya0 I a! the witness of this" it is just !y $lay" but I a! not
the $lay0
The final !eaning of all this sadhana is you0 %hate&er is" you are0
Nobody has written these things in the books so far" so!e $eo$le !ay
write hereafter0 2ne who would write on this should ha&e a scientific
outlook0
That knowledge which a$$eared on !e" I $a!$ered e/cessi&ely" and
what is the final fruit of such knowledge' That knowledge has been
branded now" 3*ou ha&e a disease and now you are going to go away"3 so I
know the nature of this knowledge which a$$eared on !e0 *ou find out for
yourself0 I danced with that knowledge" I called it 6od" and now this
knowledge has been branded as sick ( but I know what I a!" I a! $rior to
this0 I co!$lained to !y own nature" and !y own nature says it is all lila
)$lay-" you ha&e nothing to do with it0 The &ery consciousness is dis(
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honest" what ha&e I do with it' I a! the su$$ort ( $eo$le think I a! the
cause but I a! not the cause" I a! the su$$ort0
C0 In the jnani beingness has reached the state of no(beingness" still the
a$$earances will ha$$en" how will one act'
M0 It is so!ething like acting in a drea! world" in the drea! world
e&erything is ha$$ening" you are not doing anything0 Bro! that highest
state only witnessing of the beingness and the acti&ities of the beingness
ha$$en0
7ugust <" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Should we ha&e a fir! con&iction that there is a state beyond the con(
sciousness'
Maharaja The 7bsolute is there is any case" so there is no 4uestion of
your ha&ing faith ( it is there0
C0 %ould a fir! con&iction change the consciousness into the 7bsolute'
M+ There is only one state" not two0 %hen the 3I 7!ness3 is there" in
that consciousness you will ha&e !any e/$eriences" but the 3I 7!3 and the
7bsolute are not two0 In the 7bsolute the 3I 7!ness3 co!es and then the
e/$erience takes $lace0
In the 7bsolute there is no indi&iduality" no !e!ory that I a! this or
that" but there is continual stirring0
I ha&e nothing to say which can be ter!ed" as hearsay" or which has
been read" or has authority fro! the scri$tures0 %hat I ha&e to say0is
co!ing out of !y own Self0
%hate&er is ha$$ening" fro! the 7bsolute stand$oint" without the
knowledge 3I 7!"3 is &ery $rofound" unli!ited" e/$ansi&e0
In the real! of beingness the frag!entation begins? it is li!ited" con(
ditioned" because in this beingness we try to clai! all the actions as ours0
In the 7bsolute I ha&e no occasion to say that I e/ist" because It is in
eternity0 I do not ha&e to !ake any co!!ents about !y e/istence0
#ecause of the e/istence of the 7bsolute Parabrah!an state a lot of
incarnations ha&e co!e and gone" but the 7bsolute re!ains untainted by
the !o&e!ent of all these incarnations0
C0 %hat is the $ur$ose of the creation'
M+ This is the language of the earnest seeker" not one who is established
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in the truth0 2ut of an infinitesi!al seed a !agnificent tree has grown?
will the seed reject the tree" the branches" the lea&es" etc0" asserting that
this is not !e" not !ine' S$ontaneously" it is going on0 Het it go on0
C0 Is this 3I 7!ness3 a necessary threshold to obtain that 7bsolute state'
M0 The 7bsolute state cannot be obtained0 That is your state0 To the
7bsolute state the witnessing of the consciousness ha$$ens0
C0 ow long !ust one $ractice'
M0E ow long did you $ractice to beco!e a wo!an'
The first stage is to transcend this body(!ind sense" it is easy" but to
transcend consciousness is &ery difficult0 #eingness is a &ery $owerful
$otential knowledge" because of that you ha&e all other knowledge"
therefore it is difficult to get rid of this knowledge0
C0 Is it se$arate fro! the 8n!anifest'
M0 Bro! your $oint of &iew it is se$arate? fro! !y stand$oint it is not
se$arate0 Sri 1rishna said that whate&er is" is !yself only0 Saguna and
nirguna" both !yself only0 This touch of beingness is a te!$orary $hase0
En4uire at that $oint0 ow did this beingness ha$$en to be'
7ugust D:" :;<=
Maharaj+ I a! not &ery keen on ha&ing $eo$le stay longer than eight or ten
days" whate&er they ha&e understood" they ha&e to digest" any further
talks will not reach the!0
Presu!ing that one is knowledgeable" ha&ing left here and gone
elsewhere" he will not be able to re!ain alone ( he will cra&e
so!ebody.s co!$any so that he can deli&er the goods of s$irituality0 e
will want the co!$any of others with who! he can discuss s$irituality (
otherwise he will feel &ery unha$$y0 %ill you feel ha$$y and satisfied if
you do not encounter other sadhakas'
Cuestioner+ 2h yes0 Is this a necessary threshold for a serious seeker ( to go
through the stage where he would like to share his knowledge with others'
M+ That is $art of it" but that !ust also co!e to an end0 The highest state
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is the unborn state in which there is no e/$erience of !ind0 In&estigate
that conce$t 3I 7!03 In the $rocess of trying to find your true identity you
!ight e&en gi&e u$ the Self" and in gi&ing u$ the Self" you are That0
LMaharaj is watching so!e s$arrows on the windowsill0M The consciousness
indwelling the s$arrow and the consciousness indwelling this body is the
sa!e0 ere the instru!ent is big" there it is s!aller0 They Lthe
s$arrowsM are $lanning for food" their tu!!ies are not full0 7ll the s$ecies
are suffering? creation itself is suffering0 7ll these conce$ts about rebirth"
etc0" has the rain rebirth' the fire' the air' In short" it is a !ere
transfor!ation of the fi&e ele!ents0 *ou !ay call it rebirth0
In the $rocess of this s$iritual search" all will ha$$en in the real! of
this consciousness0 *ou finally stu!ble on" or cul!inate" into the 7bsolute
Parabrah!an state" which is desireless0
I ha&e understood and transcended beingness0 Su$$ose I li&e for :==
years !ore" waking state" slee$ and 3I 7!ness3( what is the use of that' I
a! fed u$ with that0
I don.t ha&e any e/clusi&e identity for !yself0 %hate&er identity I
ha&e is the $lay of the fi&e ele!ents" and it is uni&ersal0 Since there is not
!uch that can be said fro! !y state" I will not be kee$ing $eo$le long0 I
will just dole out so!e knowledge and tell the! to go0 %ith this
$rofound knowledge" at this le&el" they are not able to understand0 %hat
benefit can they deri&e'
7ugust DF" :;<=
Maharaja So!e $eo$le I will re4uest to stay but I can.t e/$lain why"
and so!e $eo$le" although they would like to stay" I say" 3you go03 There
are &arious ty$es of seekers+ so!e co!e e/clusi&ely for knowledge and
are not interested in the $erson who deli&ers" $erha$s least interested in
hi!0 So!e $eo$le want knowledge" but for the! the $rior re4uisite is
gurubhakti" de&otion to the guru co!es first? after that they collect know(
ledge0 There are so!e great sages who" in their seeking stage" used to do
de&otion or worshi$ of a 6od only for na!e" 0s sake" but the intensity was
de&otion to the guru and because of the intense gurubhakti they reached
such a high state0
Now" for this lady" de&otion to the guru is $redo!inant" and she get"
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knowledge incidentally" but starting with guru bhakti" to such a $erson
e&en the 6od is de&oted0
%hate&er natural e/$eriences you encounter" just acce$t the!"
don.t try to alter the!" just acce$t the! as they co!e0
The su! total of all this is illusion and nobody is res$onsible for crea(
tion ( it has co!e s$ontaneously and there is no 4uestion of i!$ro&e!ent
in that ( it will go on in its own way0
I ha&e co!e to the conclusion that the world is there s$ontaneously
without any seed" that creation is seedless but the world is full of seeds
and $rocreation is going on daily0
Cuestioner+ a&ing knowledge" how is it that you ha&e been able to deal with all
these different $ersons'
M0 %ho is to deal' I ha&e no $ose or stance" no set for! of !y own0 If I
had a set for!" it would ha&e been difficult to acce$t or coalesce with
anybody" but !y nothingness is the subtlest" so I can fit into anything"
any situation0
Su$$ose a rich !an" wearing a lot of e/$ensi&e0 orna!ents !o&es in the
street" he will be afraid" he will be in danger0 #ut a naked fakir has
nothing to lose" so he !o&es in the streets without fear0
So" ha&ing lost e&erything" I ha&e nothing further to lose" I can en(
counter and fit into any situation0 So long as you wear a na!e and for!" all
these $roble!s will be there0 In this s$iritual $ursuit you gradually lose
your for! and as the for! is shed off" the na!e also disa$$ears0
There are !any custo!ers to gain and $ossess so!ething in the
na!e of s$iritual knowledge" but nobody is a custo!er for the real" true
Self knowledge0
There was a !an who worked hard and gathered $ossessions for
!any years and now he is on his death bed in his &illage house0 2n his
death bed he was looking into the cattle shed" he was not thinking noble
thoughts" he was looking at the calf who was chewing a broo!stick" and he
was worried about the da!age to the broo!stick0 So" e&en when he was
dying" he was shouting" 3The broo!stick" the broo!stick53
C0 %hat is the yardstick to !easure the $rogress of a seeker'
M0( There was a &ery weak !an who was not able to walk0 6radually he
ac4uired strength and started walking" so he knows that he has the
strength" isn.t that so'
The indication of your $rogress is your disinclination to associate
with nor!al $eo$le? your desires and e/$ectations get less and less0
%hen out of intense hunger for Self knowledge" the door" or the flood(
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gate is o$ened" then you start rejecting e&erything" right fro! the gross
state to Iswara state" your own consciousness" you reject e&erything0
In worldly life" by the $ower of !oney you can $urchase anything"
by donating !oney you get e&erything0 Si!ilarly" by donating the Self
you get the #rah!an and when you donate the #rah!an you get
Parabrah!an0 *ou !ust ha&e a dee$" intense desire for Self knowledge0
7ugust D>" :;<=
Cuestioner+ If chaitanya )consciousness- is all $er&ading and consists of all
these $owers of &arious kinds andyet" the indi&idual consciousness is connected with the
body" for this uni&ersal consciousness is there a body' 7 uni&ersal body ( or a
co!bination of bodies for the uni&ersal consciousness'
Maharaja 8ni&ersal consciousness does not ha&e a body0 The uni&ersal
consciousness beco!es !anifest whene&er a body co!es into the $icture0
The essence of the fi&e ele!ents constitute the sustenance of the
uni&ersal consciousness0
C0 The uni&ersal consciousness and the consciousness in the body" does it ha&e any
connection'
M+ It is an inti!ate connection0 It is a continuu! fro! the indi&idual
consciousness to the !anifest consciousness0 Bor e/a!$le" you ha&e the
&ital breath+ outside it is called uni&ersal air and when you breathe" it is
your $ra!0
C0 %hat is the difference between Para!at!an and Ji&at!an'
M0 %hen you think in ter!s of $arts" you think of Ji&a" and of the
whole as Para!at!an" but there is no difference0 %hen it is entrenched in the
body it assu!es a te!$orality" a ti!e unit" theji&a? at the end of the ti!e
s$an it !erges into the Para!at!an0
C+ %hy does Para!at!an" which is whole" li!it itself to the body as a $art'
M0 There is no reason for it" it just ha$$ens0 #ut in the Para!at!an
there is no awareness of e/istence" there is awareness of awareness only0 7s
soon as awareness of e/istence co!es" there is a duality and the !ani(
festation co!es0
C+ Earlier so!eone said that !an alone can realiAe0 I feel that e&ery li&ing cell is a
!anifestation of 6od and therefore that this is a wrong idea0
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M0 The consciousness is the sa!e" but the !ind can only work according
to what is known to it0 %hat is known to the lower creatures is only the
basic $hysical re4uire!ents0 It is only !an" who fro! an early age" has
been thinking of" and has been fed" higher ideas" other than !erely the
$hysical as$ects0 Man is able to fly and go to the !oon0 No other
s$ecies can do this? the !ind of the lesser s$ecies is li!ited0
There are <> lakhs of different s$ecies" as soon as any conce$tion
takes $lace in any of these s$ecies" there is a sort of a causal body on
which the $rint has been !ade at the ti!e of conce$tion about the
nature of the for! and its working0 Nobody tells a bird to fly" a fish to
swi!" or a wor! to crawl" it is all in the conce$tion itself0 That which
cannot die is now fir!ly con&inced that it is going to die0 ow has this
fear of death cre$t in' It is based on the conce$t that one is born" on
!ere words? this is the bondage0
7ll that one has to do is find out one.s source and take u$
head4uarters there0
7ugust D;" :;<=
Cuestioner+ 7fter knowing that one is not the beingness" the beingness still wants to
be ( it $rotects itself0 Is it built into that unit'
Maharaja *es" that is its nature0
C0 Is it that these units of beingness are of no !ore &alue than a $icture" they arejust
like a $icture on a T@ screen ( is that right'
M0 *es" you !ay take it that they are just $ictures0 Ne&ertheless it is a
!ost a!aAing instru!ent because inside it has a certain $rinci$le which
contains the uni&erse0 Don.t just dis!iss it as a $icture0
The Self cannot e/$erience its knowingness without the hel$ of the
body0 It is a necessary instru!ent0 Sour food and $ulsation )&ital
breath- ( without these the growth is not there and beingness will not be
there0
This body is a bag of nourish!ent but that knowledge 3I 7!3 is not
indi&idualistic" it is uni&ersal0
C0 Is it the consciousness enjoying itself through all these units of beingness'
M0 *es0 This beingness goes into indi&iduality because of the for! of the
food $ackage" the body0 Bro! !y stand$oint it is dyna!ic" !anifest
beingness only ( no indi&iduality0
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2nce you take to this understanding there is no 4uestion of enjoying
yourself as an indi&idual0 *ou are no !ore an indi&idual" the indi&idual is
dissol&ed0 7 rare one will do this0
The one who has understood all the fi&e ele!ents and its $lay is not
worried about the essence of these fi&e ele!ents" the beingness ( this
state is transcended also0 That one has the fragrance of hu!anity+ he
re!e!bers hu!anity" but knows that he has nothing to do with
hu!anity0
a&ing understood this and transcended it" the words are of no use0
The beingness feels that it should not die" but if the so(called death
has occurred" there is no loss to it0
Bro! !y stand$oint" whate&er beingness in the for! of a hu!an being
was there is all gone? because of that dissolution it has beco!e
!anifest0
7ugust F=" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Does the consciousness re!ain fore&er'
Maharaj+ No" the consciousness is there only so long as the body is
there0
C? E&en when one understands" will there be bodies co!ing into e/istence and dying' M+
*es0 The fi&e ele!ents" three gunas" $rakriti and $urusha" together are the
!eans of de!onstrating the 3I 7!ness03
In the original state there is no sense of consciousness" no awareness of
being" but as soon as the 3I 7!ness3 co!es the entire !anifestation is seen
at once" this is the e/$ression of the consciousness0 In the 7bsolute the 3I
7iriness3 is whole but the e/$ression is in !any0 I !anifest Myself in !any0
u!an beings are one ty$e of for! and each ty$e of for! will act
according to its nature" according to the co!bination of the three guns0
ow can an indi&idual co!e in'
The only way to understand this !ystery is to realiAe your identity
with the uni&ersal consciousness" which is e/$ressed in the total s$ace0 So
long as you identify yourself with the hu!an for! it is i!$ossible for the
!ystery to be sol&ed0
%hy do you co!e here and waste your ti!e for an hour or so' If you
do so!e $hysical or !ental work for two hours you would ha&e
so!ething to show for it0
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C0 These are the hours that are useful? all the others are useless0
M0 ow can they be useful' I a! destroying that for which you say
these two hours are useful0 I a! destroying the identity0
Isn.t it a!using that the teaching which destroys the indi&idual is e/(
actly what the indi&idual wants' The answer is that there ne&er was an
indi&idual0 The knowledge co!es that the indi&idual was ne&er there0
C0 %hat is the realiAation'
M+ #efore the idea 3I 7!3 s$routed" you are" but you don.t know you
are0 Subse4uent to that there ha&e been !any ha$$enings with which you
ha&e started decorating yourself0 *ou try to deri&e the !eaning of
yourself out of subse4uent words" ha$$enings" and the !eaning of
words 000 that is not you 000 gi&e it u$0 *ou are $rior to the idea 3I 7!03
Ca!$ yourself there" $rior to the words 3I 7!03
Se$te!ber ::" :;<=
Maharaj+ %hether one be a jnani or an ignorant $erson his bodily
nourish!ent" sustenance" !aintenance" etc0" goes on through the
!eaning of the words of his !ind0 is thoughts will also flow according to
the i!$ressions he has recei&ed since childhood0 The acti&ities ca!e out
fro!0 the &ital breath" the words" and the knowingness 3I 7!03
If you want to in&oke your Deity you will ha&e to worshi$ the &ital
breath? through the &ital breath you a$$roach your Deity0 The i!age of
any 6od is gi&en through the &ital breath0 the language of the &ital
breath !eans words0 %hen all as$ects of the &ital breath are $urified
there is no sco$e for desires" there are no $hysical or !ental sufferings0 7s
$er the co!!and of the 6uru hold on to the 3I 7!ness3 ( the 7t!an $reen
( I lo&e03 7ll our acti&ities" $hysical or s$iritual" are based on e!otion0
7ll these details I acce$t" but I know that the su! total is Aero0
My"earlier talks anybody could understand" to so!e e/tent" but !y
$resent talks are &ery difficult to understand0 To beco!e 4ualified to
understand" stay $ut at that source of your birth0
Tfie talks are s$ontaneously flowing out0 I a! not fra!ing the!0 I
!yself a! often a!aAed as to why these ty$es of $rofound e/$ressions are
e!erging" and $eo$le who listen to !y talks are also non$lussed
because they are not able to fra!e any 4uestions based on !y talks0
E&erything is s$ontaneous" the stage of witness also has co!e s$on(
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taneously0 7ll !y acti&ities co!e out s$ontaneously" there is no sco$e for
thinking0
Since I know !y state $rior to birth" I also know that birth $oint" and
since the birth" whate&er I a! ( !y beingness ( I also know0 That.s
why I talk like this0 The e/$eriencer and the e/$eriences" both are to be
dissol&ed0 The !o!ent the translators co!e and I take !y seat for talking"
I a! energiAed" !y battery is charged ( otherwise I a! down and out and
ha&e to use this cane0 I a! least inclined to collect any s$iritual seekers of
any grade0
Cuestioner+ %e can understand with our !ind but beyond !ind we cannot
understand0
M0 Bro! dee$ slee$ to waking state" what is it' It is the 3I 7!3 state
with no words" later the words start flowing and you get in&ol&ed with the
!eaning of the words and carry out your worldly life with the !eaning of
those words ( that is !ind0 #ut before this 3I 7!3 and waking state" that
borderline" there you ha&e to be0
It is only a rare one who understands what I a! dri&ing at0 To a nor(
!al s$iritual $erson we ha&e to say" 3*ou do this or that and you will get
this benefit03 Then for the ti!e being he feels ha$$y and relie&ed" but
this is not final? he again co!es back to the sa!e cycle0 #ut we can.t hel$
because he has no ca$acity to understand the subtlest as$ect of this
s$irituality0
7t the !ost" I would say" 3*ou know you are? you worshi$ that GI
7!. $rinci$le0 *ou worshi$ that" be one with that only" and that GI
7!ness. will disclose all the knowledge03 That.s all I will say" but the
subtlest $art is this" fro! dee$ slee$ to waking state0 To abide in that
you !ust ha&e an intensely $eaceful state0 In that state" witnessing of
the waking state ha$$ens0 *ou !ust go to that li!it" but it is &ery
difficult0 Bor a nor!al $erson" with the arri&al of the 3I 7!3 and the
word flow" he will go with the word flow0 The one who has discri!ina(
tion" who is intelligent" and is intensely s$iritual" we !ust bring here
$rior to that 3I 7!ness03
If you ha&e regard for !e" re!e!ber !y words0 The knowledge 3I 7!3 is
the greatest 6od" the 6uru? be one with that" be inti!ate with it0 That itself
will bless you with all the knowledge rele&ant for you and in the $ro(
liferation of that knowledge it will lead you to the state which is eternal0
*ou will beco!e !ature enough to be in the $ro&ince of that nirguna
)without attributes- state0 *ou cannot con&ert a raw !ango into a ri$e
!ango" full of juice" o&ernight0 It !ust $ass through the course of ti!e to
!aturity0 Is this clear to you or not'
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Se$te!ber :J" :;<=
Cuestioner+ In !editation when I try to stabiliAe at the $oint behind the !ind"
there is darkness" nothing" blankness0 I don.t like the state0
Maharaj+ Don.t you see ( *ou are still there0 Prior to stabiliAing in the
Self" traces of the !ind are still there0
This !achine is a self(generating !achine? when you go into that the
!o!entu! hel$s clear all doubts in your !ind0 This is e/clusi&ely your
knowledge which you will enjoy !ost" and then all traces of the !ind are
co!$letely u$rooted0 This is the stage where you are ( you are not" that
is the borderline0 The !o!ent you know you are duality is there" when
you do not know you are" you are $erfect" but you !ust go through this
$rocess0 In dee$ slee$ you do not know you are" but that is a grosser
state0 In this ali&e state you !ust recede into the state of no(
knowingness0
%hat is this knowingness' It is the sta!$ or registration of the booking
3I 7!03 *ou are booking a flat which is under construction but where
is that flat' It is only the booking0 Si!ilarly this 3I 7!3 is only booking"
it re$resents your 7bsolute state0
C+ %hat gi&es you the courage to transcend in the nothingness which you know is
there'
M0 *our dee$ urge to understand the Self0 ,eceding only !eans to go
within" your nor!al inclination is to co!e out through the fi&e senses
and see the world0 Now re&erse? I a! not the body" I a! not the !ind" I
a! not the senses? now you are stabiliAed in consciousness0 7fter
stabiliAing in consciousness all further things will ha$$en auto!atically0
*ou e/$and into the !anifest0
I was" I a!" I shall be in that original state before the 3I 7!ness3
ca!e0
%hy is it that the terrible na!e of this disease has no effect on !e' Bor
the si!$le reason that what I a! has nothing to do with that of which
the disease is just a na!e0
C+ %hat does Maharaj think about all the different religions'
M0 7s far as I a! concerned all religions are based on conce$ts and
e!otions0 Those e!otions are so &iolent and absorbing that $eo$le ha&e
i!!olated the!sel&es0
#eing one with so!e other $ersonality e!otionally can be so effec(
ti&e that those who ha&e identified the!sel&es with Jesus Christ ha&e
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had the !arks of crucifi/ion a$$ear on their own bodies0 7ll these
e/$eriences are totally useless0 2ne indi&idual has identified with another
indi&idual" and unless indi&iduality is gi&en u$ the ,eality can ne&er
!anifest itself0 Do not re$eat what you ha&e heard" $arrot(wise" unless
you ha&e it with the con&iction that I ha&e0
I know !y state before the body and consciousness ca!e" I ha&e the
knowledge of it" I ha&e the awareness of it0
Merely listening to these words will not do ( you !ust be one with the
consciousness0 Don.t treat that knowledge 3I 7!3 as insignificant" because
it is the sti!ulating force for your entire uni&erse0
The e/$ressions of consciousness are li!itless? if you enter into the
e/$ressions you will be lost0 Surrender to and be one with your
consciousness and your consciousness alone will show you the $rocess of
how it can be dissol&ed0
Se$te!ber D:" :;<=
Maharaj+ 7ll that one does is for the continuance of the consciousness"
but for !e there is nothing at all that I would like to continue0
*ou co!e here as indi&iduals e/$ecting to get so!ething fro! !e"
that is where the !istake atises0 There is no indi&idual" so how can I do
so!ething for a non(e/isting indi&idual' *our true nature is in no way
different fro! !ine0 This ha$$ening is just a ha$$ening which has co!e
and which will go0
If one feels he has to urinate" he just has to urinate" it is not
so!ething different for each one" it is a $rocess of urination which ha$$ens
to e&erybody but you consider e&erything as so!ething ha$$ening to you
as an indi&idual0
Cuestioner+ ow can I understand what Maharaj is saying'
M+ Discri!ination is &ery necessary to understand what I a! saying0 It
is only after the arri&al of consciousness that we try to under(
stand oursel&es0 Consciousness is the so(called birth? birth !eans the
three as$ects+ waking state" dee$ slee$ and the knowledge 3I 7!03 2nce
I understand what this birth is" then the whole !ystery is sol&ed0 Since I
ha&e thoroughly known what this birth $rinci$le is" I will know &ery well
at that ha$$ening of the so(called death" I shall obser&e the de$arture of
the &ital breath" the language and the 3I 7!ness3? there is no 4uestion of
death0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 FF
If I understand right now that !y &ital breath is 4uitting" I a! not
going to arrest it" I a! not going to say 3*ou sto$ now" wait for so!e
ti!e"3 because I know &ery well it is of no use retaining this &ital breath
and life force0
7ny nu!ber of dissolutions ha&e co!e and gone" but in !y true"
eternal state I a! untouched by the!0 Prior to this e/$eriential state I
was $erfect in e&ery res$ect" with the arri&al of this beingness this i!$erfect
state has started" and I a! fed u$ with that0
If you really want eternal $eace" don.t bother about anybody else"
worry about your own self" in&estigate only your own self0
%ho is going to gi&e you eternal $eace' It is only that sun" that 3I
7!03 If you e!brace that Self(effulgent sun e&erything else will go" but
you will $re&ail eternally0
In&estigate fully0 %ith what authority can you sustain yourself' To
what e/tent can you $rolong your life' *ou should realiAe that beingness is
not inde$endent ( it de$ends on so!ething0 %hen you in&estigate you
will co!e to the conclusion that you" the 7bsolute" do not de$end on that
beingness0
C If 7t!an is sat(chit(ananda )being(consciousness(bliss-" what is
Para!at!an'
M0 Sat(chit(ananda will" in due course" beco!e the Para!at!an0 Sat(
chitananda is 3I 7!ness3 and is itself a state of bliss" a state of lo&e" but it is an
e/$eriential state" so long as consciousness is there" and consciousness is
there so long as the body is a&ailable ( it is a ti!e(bound state0 *ou
!ust transcend the sat(chit(ananda state0
C0 Should I stabiliAe in beingness or should I" flow with the thoughts'
M0 If you stay $ut in beingness the thoughts will get less and less0 If you
get !i/ed u$ with the thoughts they will !ulti$ly0 Stay $ut in beingness
only0
Se$te!ber D>" :;<=
Maharaja ow !any years back did you take the !antra fro! !e'
Cuestioner+ Three years ago0
M0 The knowledge you are is 6od0 *ou worshi$ that and one day you will
realiAe that you are not an indi&idual0 *ou will realiAe that you are
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the uni&ersal consciousness which cannot.suffer? there is no $ain or
$leasure for that consciousness0 Not through intellect" but through
intense !editation you will know it0
The !editation will be done by that consciousness itself0 To !editate
on so!ething is to beco!e that0
I a! fully established in that unborn state but still I a! e/$eriencing
this state of !ulti$licity" but it has no effect on !e0
C0 %hat is the effect of being with the Maharaj'
M+ Presently the effect on the seeker is !ore0 If you ha&e the $urity it is
faster" for the i!$ure and dull it is slow0
I didn.t know I was" $resently I know I a!" this is the sa!e 3I3 with the
knowingness !antle o&er it0 This is the way the &ery 7bsolute trans(
for!ed Itself into this grosser consciousness state" the state of a$(
$earance0 I a! the 6od" I a! the de&otee" and I a! the worshi$$ing? all
the sa!e" one co!!on $rinci$le0
C0 %as the saint we were s$eaking of" who was so irritable" a jnani'
M0E *es0 Jnani !eans knower of the knowledge0
C0 ow could he be so irritable if he was a jnani'
M+ In the !anifest consciousness all the acti&ities are ha$$ening"
socalled good and bad0 In the !anifest consciousness this 4uality was
e/$ressed0 *ou cannot attribute this ta!asic 4uality to a jnani because he
has transcended the indi&idual consciousness0
C+ Is it all right to eat non(&egetarian food'
M0 So long as you feel that you are an indi&idual you ha&e to abide by the
code of conduct gi&en to you0 2nce you are the !anifest
consciousness there is no 4uestion of do.s or don.ts0
In the uni&ersal !anifest consciousness is there anything good or
bad' Nothing of the sort0 The fragrance of flowers will be there" garbage
will be there? it is all the $lay of this consciousness0 The witness of
thconsciousness cannot co!e in the real! of the consciousness0
C+ Su$$ose the witnessing sto$s" is it sa!adhi'
M0 Su$$ose you all go away" there is no !ore witnessing" I a! still
here" but I ha&e nothing to witness0 In that beingness the otherliness is
there and witnessing takes $lace0 If consciousness is not there the
7bsolute cannot know Itself ( there is nothing but the 7bsolute ( therefore
no witnessing0
C+ Su$$ose I a! just watching that all actions are ha$$ening through !e and I a!
doing nothing" is !editation necessary'
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 JJ
M0 That is a sort of !editation" but the right !editation is when you
!editate on your Self0 *ou co!e to that state when you woke u$ in the
!orning and you watch the consciousness? that is the state when you
!editate on your Self0
Presently you think that consciousness is watching consciousness" but
consciousness is being watched fro! the 7bsolute $latfor! only0
Se$te!ber DK" :;<=
Maharaja 7ll this s$irituality is only for understanding your true
nature0 To achie&e this what is 3being ali&e3 is the whole 4uestion0 2nce
you know your true nature then being ali&e is not as an indi&idual but
being ali&e is si!$ly being a $art of that s$ontaneous !anifestation0
There is nothing to be sought" the seeker is what is to be seen0 Merely see the
$icture as it is0
7ll of you are seekers+ let !e know what it is that you are seeking0
Cuestioner+ Can you reach that" not just by !editation" but by li&ing with others in
the world'
M0 8nless( you are $art of the !anifestation can you li&e' 1now this5
%hen you are not conscious" your world does not e/ist0 *ou are con(
scious of your $resence and the world outside" they are not two things0
8nderstand this0 The world can e/ist only if this $sychoso!atic a$$ar(
atus is there0 If you consider this a$$aratus as yourself" you acce$t death
and die0 Thejnani knows this to be just an a$$aratus and is a$art fro! it0
a&ing understood this" you do your job ha$$ily0 %hat is ha$$ening
is s$ontaneous and all acti&ity is $art of the total !anifestation0
C0 If !anifestation is s$ontaneous" is there any reason" or cause" of all actions' M+
In drea!s you li&e for :== years but when you wake u$ that drea! lasted
for just fi&e !inutes0 ow did that ha$$en'
C0 Does Maharaj relate the causeless ha$$ening to that drea!'
M0 The basic reason for all this great cause is that you e/ist" so find the
nature of that0 7ll these acts are done by the child of a barren wo!an0 7ll
these are $roble!s of the consciousness? find out the root of the con(
sciousness0
C0 ow'
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M0 Catch that consciousness by the throat0 Conce$tual consciousness by
conce$tual throat0 Pa!$er and woo this basic consciousness" it alone can
satisfy your 4uest" not your intellect0 8nless that knowledge is
$leased" you cannot ha&e knowledge0
I ne&er knew? if I had the slightest knowledge would I ha&e descended
into the $rison of !y !other.s wo!b' %hate&er ha$$ens" ha$$ens by
itself0 %ho can ha&e knowledge of that which e/isted before conce$tion'
There is nothing to be ac4uired0 *ou are That0
Se$te!ber D<" :;<=
Cuestioner+ %hy so !uch attraction of the 3I 7!ness3for the body'
Maharaj+ %hen it e/$resses itself as 3I 7!3 it is already fully charged
with that lo&e to be0 %hy" in the insect" wor!" ani!al" or hu!an being"
this instinct to kee$ itself ali&e' #ecause with the s$routing of the life
force" this 3I 7!ness"3 that is itself the &ery instinct to li&e" to lo&e to li&e0
That lo&e to be is the $ri!e !oti&e force for all life.s acti&ities0
*ou will find" when you are the !anifest consciousness" you alone are
the !ulti$licity? you e/$ress yourself in all this a!$le" !anifest world0
This state will itself be transcended" and you will be in the nirguna state? but
these are all your e/$ressions" only you as 3I 7!ness03
%hat I a! talking about now is !ore subtle and !ore $rofound and
&ery difficult to understand" but if you understand the job is done0
Consciousness is an aid to know0 Presently that consciousness knows
itself as the body" it should not be so" consciousness should know
consciousness bereft of body sense0
8nderstand logically what I ha&e been telling you again and again0
This 3I 7!ness3 is the outco!e of the food which I eat0 7! I the food'
No" I a! not? the outco!e of the food I also a! not0
7ll will realiAe this knowledge" but $resently you are caught u$ with
this inti!acy with the body0
3I 7!ness3 has no authority of its own? it is a $u$$et in the $lay of the
fi&e ele!ents? it is an outco!e of the fi&e ele!ents0
The one who e/$resses 3I was not"3 Its $osition is secure and stable
and eternal0
%hate&er you witness will not re!ain with you0 It is i!$erfect0 The
2ne who recogniAes the i!$erfect is $erfect" It is total" It has not to do
anything for Itself because it is $erfect and co!$lete in Itself0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS9 JK"
%hy can the Parabrah!an afford to ha&e this lu/ury or suffering of this
!anifest world' #ecause to the Parabrah!an" this does not e/ist0
Se$te!ber F=" :;<=
Cuestioner+ 2h" when will I understand what Maharaj is telling us'
Maharaj+ It will co!e gradually" because of all the conce$ts0 *ou ha&e to
get rid of those0 and that takes ti!e0
So!e $eo$le are in search of knowledge which is acce$table to their
!ind and intellect" but the s$here of the !ind and intellect is of no use to
recei&e this knowledge0 7ll your e/$eriences and &isions de$end on your
knowledge 3I 7!3 and this itself is going to dissol&e0
Bor this knowledge there are no custo!ers" no de&otees" because
they want so!ething concrete in their hand" but when your knowing(
ness itself is going to dissol&e" is it $ossible to hold on to so!ething'
*our guru tells you that you ha&e a true identity" but it is not this0 It
is for!less" Parabrah!an0 That Parabrah!an is without any doubts0 It is not
conditioned by !ays" because with reference to Parabrah!an" !ays does
not e/ist0
%hen you listen to this you feel satisfaction and with that the !atter
ends for !ost $eo$le? they don.t !editate on this again and again and try
to find out that $rinci$le behind e&erything0
%hen will I be $ronounced dead' %hen the 7t!an has left the body" but
I a! not that 7t!an" where is !y death there' I a! not affected by cancer
because whate&er ha$$ens" whate&er the e/$erience" I surrender all those
to the 7t!an0 7ll the actions and fruits of the actions are surrendered to
the 7t!an by the Parabrah!an" the 7bsolute0
*ou can ne&er ha&e knowledge about your Self because Parabrah!an
cannot be witnessed0 *ou know what you are not ( what you are you cannot
know0
2ctober :" :;<=
Maharaj+ The Self is subtler than the s$ace0 There is no birth or death for
the Self0
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Don.t acce$t what I tell you blindly? ask !e 4uestions0 Thoroughly
scrutiniAe and e/a!ine the knowledge which I e/$ound and only then
acce$t it0
*ou li&e in the house but the house is not yourself0 Si!ilarly" the
knowledge 3I 7!3 is in the body but it is not the body0
Cuestioner+ I do not" fully understand it0
M0 %ith the !ind you will ne&er understand0 *ou are not the !ind" nor
the words" nor the !eaning of the words0 I e/$ound the knowledge of the
Self to the Self but you acce$t it as the knowledge of your body0
I a! co!$letely detached fro! the body and the consciousness
which is within the body0 Ne&ertheless" because of the disease" the
unbearable suffering of the body is being e/$erienced through the
consciousness0 It is unbearable but since I a! detached both fro! the body
and the consciousness" I a! able to s$eak to you0 It is so!ething like the
fan ( the breeAe is0there and the sound is also there0 In the sa!e way the
&ital breath is there and the sound is also e!anating" but all this ha$$ening
is unbearable000 the suffering has to be endured0
%hen the knowledge 3I 7!3 is not there do you $ercei&e or obser&e
anything' 1nowingness is knowledge and no(knowingness is also
knowledge" but it has no for!0 If you e4uate it with the body" only then
you say that you are a !ale or a fe!ale0
In the absence of knowledge" the 4uestion of I know or I do not know
does not arise0 %hen you understand what I ha&e said about knowledge you
will fully identify with that0
S$ontaneously I ha&e realiAed that I a! written off fro! the book of
consciousness0 *ou will not feel ha$$y unless you taste yourself through
your body0 The body has i!$ortance only because the 3I 7!ness"3 the
consciousness" is dwelling therein0 If the 3I 7!ness3 or consciousness is
not there the body will be dis$osed of as refuse0
Call that knowledge 3I 7!3 as your Self" don.t call the body as
knowledge0
Nor!ally the 6urus will not introduce to you the Self so dee$ly0 They will
only introduce to you all the rituals0
The knowledge 3I 7!3 is the $ri!ary 6od? !editate on that only0
Presently" one !ay ask why !an has created a 6od0 The conce$t of
a 6od is" if you $ray to such a 6od" that 6od will gi&e you whate&er you
want0 Such a 6od is great0 %e ha&e an idea that if we de!and
so!ething of i! he will gi&e it0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 J;
2ctober D" :;<=
Cuestioner+ I want to gi&e u$ this ego" but I don.t know how0
Maharaj+ %hat is the !easure!ent and the color of this .ego that you
want to gi&e u$' %hat ha&e you understood about this ego'
C0 It is a false con&iction of the !ind0
M0 It is a $inch in !y fingers" this 3I 7!ness"3 but all the scri$tures" the
si/teen sastras" eighteen $uranas and four @edas ha&e been screa!ing and
shouting" trying to describe this #rah!an0 7ll those $raises are only for
that tiny little $inch 3I 7!03 The !o!ent you start !aking a design of that
3I 7!ness3 you are getting into dee$ waters0
This incense holder is sil&er" you ha&e the knowledge that it is sil&er0
%hat is the sha$e" color" or design of that knowledge' If all knowledge is
for!less" could there be a for!" design or color to the knowledge 3I
7!3' Could it be subject to sin or !erit'
In this ti!eless ether the touch of 3I07!ness3 is not there0
C+ Is it not true that out of co!$assion for the ignorant thejnani e/$ounds knowl(
edge'
M0E *ou can say whate&er you like0 There is no such thing as co!$assion
in that state0 I ha&e ele&ated you to that state where you should know
that you are the &ery illu!inant of e&erything" and the lo&e to be is also
therein0 %hen I lead you there why do you ask !e such 4uestions' ow do
you know anything'
C0 Through the !ind0
M+ No0 The knowingness recogniAes the !ind" the !ind cannot recog(
niAe consciousness0
*ou are o&er$owered by slee$" you wake u$ ( who recogniAes this'
Prior to !ind" the knowingness $rinci$le is there0 Prior to knowingness"
there is the $rior!ost $rinci$le which knows the consciousness0
In the final analysis out of the absence of knowledge" knowledge was
born and knowledge deli&ered the world" all beings and all things0
The one who enters s$irituality is like cold water which is $ut on the
f
ire0 %hen you $ut it on the fire the bubbles start rising and in due
course it starts boiling0 That boiling stage is so!ething like the sadhaka
entering the highest class of s$irituality? at the boiling $oint he likes to
talk a lot" $ut a lot of 4uestions0 %hen the fire is a$$lied continuously the
boiling sto$s and si!!ering takes $lace0 That is the stage where one
ac4uires knowledge in s$irituality0 7fter listening to these talks will you
I= 9 P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS
be able to go into 4uietude' I ha&e !y doubts about that" because you still
like to $lease your $a!$ered !ind0 If you ha&e really understood what I
say does it !atter if you $lease your !ind or not'
I ha&e told you that $resently you are like that war!th in the body0
%hat is the Parabrah!an like' The Parabrah!an does not e/$erience this
war!th"of3I 7!ness3 at all0 If you understand" this $uAAle will be sol&ed
for you0
7fter understanding this" if one beco!es a jnani" that consciousness
$rinci$le and body is a&ailable" and they will be in&ol&ed in the
e!otional field also0 It will gi&e full &ent to crying and it will also
enjoy whate&er situation is there0 Such ajnani is not going to su$$ress any
e/$ressions of e!otions which s$ontaneously co!e out of this
consciousness and body a$$aratus0
Nor!ally $eo$le su$$ose that ajnani should su$$ress all the
e!otional outbursts0 That0 is not correct0 %ith your stand$oint in the
7bsolute" you are not concerned with the feelings and instincti&e outbursts
of the a$$aratus0
7jnani does not &olitionally $artici$ate" it is s$ontaneously ha$$ening?
while an ignorant $erson is dee$ly in&ol&ed in that" he assu!es
e&erything is real0 Bor the jnani" the war!th is also unreal" so whate&er
ha$$ens in the real! of war!th is unreal0
7ll de&otion" liking" and lo&e" is dissol&ed for a jnani" but whate&er he
does is for others0
2ctober >" :;<=
Cuestioner+ .%hat is the diference between !y state and Maharaj.s state'
Maharaj+ Bor the jnani there is no difference0 The difference arises in the
case of the ignorant because he is still identifying with the body0 6i&e u$ the
identification with the body and see what ha$$ens0
C+ ow'
M+ I can only tell you" 3this is it3 ( how to acce$t it is beyond !e and I
ha&e no re!edy for that0 I tell you but you !ust understand it0
C0 2nce and for all+ if we take his words literally is this all that is necessary'
M0 *es0 That is the one to be caught hold of" but what is the instru!ent
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 I:
with which you will catch hold of it' It is not the body" !ind" and
intelligence0
C+ The will'
M+ 7ny effort you !ake will land you in further trouble0 Therefore it is for
this knowledge that you e/ist (to acce$t this knowledge" not the
$seudo(identity0 Just kee$ what you ha&e heard fro! !e in !ind as
true" and then act in whate&er way arises s$ontaneously0
My 6uru told !e that I a! ti!eless" s$aceless" without attributes0
Then I decided that if that is the case why should I ha&e any !ore fear'
%ho is to ha&e fear' Su$$ose you !eet a tiger+ the tiger is going to eat you in
any case" therefore there is so!e chance that if you attack the tiger it !ay
run away" so why not take that chance' %hy not try and disidentify yourself
fro! the body' %hate&er unha$$iness you ha&e" whate&er fear you ha&e" is
based entirely on identification with the body0 Make an effort gradually to
disidentify yourself fro! the body0
It is a si!$le thing0 Death is ine&itable" so why don.t you acce$t what
the 6uru has told you" that death is so!ething which cannot affect That
which you are0 This identification with the body is ti!e(bound? why not
disassociate yourself now'
ow !any of you will re!e!ber and understand what I tell you'
%hate&er fear you ha&e is based only on !e!ory" conce$ts" and hear(
say0 So long as you cling to any conce$t or !e!ory this fear will not
lea&e you0 Don.t $rotect this fear(gi&e it u$" let it go0 Can you do it'
*ou ha&e been accu!ulating what you ha&e heard fro! !e" but
ulti!ately" whate&er is accu!ulated has to be gi&en u$0 It is to be
understood" used" and then gi&en u$0
C0 Maharaj says that e&erything has ha$$ened s$ontaneously but we are accusto!ed to
thinking that e&erything !ust ha&e so!eone to start so!ething" so!eone to control0
%ithout this controlling authority it is difficult to i!agine anything functioning0
M0 In the state of duality this idea has to be there" otherwise there can.t be
any conce$t or any functioning" this is the basis of !anifestation0 %hen
ulti!ately the knowledge !erges in knowledge" the seeker dis(
a$$ears and there is no one to ask 4uestions0
%hat is being said and what is being heard is ti!e(bound ( fro! a
$articular ti!e until today ( but That which we are is totally se$arate
fro! that which is ti!e(bound0
I can understand and !easure this ti!e duration" so I !ust ob&iously
be se$arate fro! this duration0
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2ctober <" :;<= )!orning-
Maharaj+ 7ll knowledge is a&ailable through the body" but this knowledge
which you are" which is an outco!e of the food body" is not you0
This beingness itself is the lo&e0 It is !ost natural and therefore I
lo&e all others because I lo&e !yself0 The fountain of !y lo&e for others
s$rings fro! the lo&e to be0
The 8n!anifest is !anifest through that waking" dyna!ic" !anifest
s$irit? that is the state of lo&e to be0 The wife is not de&oted to the
husband" she is de&oted to that lo&e to be0
*ou ha&e an earnest desire to be li&ing in the body but you ha&e to
dis$ose of this body0 Just as you eat delicacies and the ne/t day you ha&e to
e&acuate it as fecal !atter" in the sa!e !anner you ha&e to dis$ose of this
body0 My own condition is co!$lete !anifest consciousness and the
e/$ression of the body is only the su! and substance of the &ital breath" the
language of the &ital breath )the words- and the lo&e of Self0
There is no other thing like Para!at!an e/ce$t 3I Ho&e03 In that
ecstasy who is going to look at the body' #ody beco!es irrele&ant0 ow
!any titles ha&e been gi&en to it" but what is it 000 only that lo&e for Self0
7lways" fore&er" your knowingness has been !o&ing about" but you
ha&e li!ited it to your own body" and therefore you are killing it0
Para!at!an is not !aya" it is your real nature0
Cuestioner+ %hat should one do about one.s daily duties'
M0 *ou should attend to your duties ( they are not $ersonal" they are of
the !anifest consciousness" they belong to all0
Try to e/$and yourself to Infinity as the !anifested consciousness0
There is no other 6od but you0
2ne day this body will dro$ dead? $eo$le think that death !eans
co!$letely un!anifest" but it is not so" it is not like that0 %hen so!e(
thing is consu!ed or e/hausted" it beco!es !ore" it beco!es !anifest0
Sri 1rishna said" 3I reincarnate !yself at e&eryyuga )eon-"03 but I say"
e&ery !o!ent I e/$and" e&er !ore I a! created" I $roliferate !ore and
!ore e&ery !o!ent0
I ne&er seek anything fro! anybody else0 %hate&er I want to get" I
want to get out of !y own being0 I worshi$ that &ery $rinci$le 3I 7!3
and de!and what I want out of that? because of that" all these things are
co!ing0
is Majesty the E!$eror has gone to slee$ ( it doesn.t !ean he is
dead0 *ou are not able to realiAe this knowledge because you hang on to
the body0 2nly a Self(,ealiAed 6uru can direct you0
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%ithout this body sense I a! $erfect" total" co!$lete0 *ou will not be
able to co!$rehend !y talk0
2ctober <" :;<= )e&ening-
Maharaj+ %hat is the cause of the waking state" slee$ and 3I 7!ness3'
Cuestioner+ The che!ical0
M0 %hen you utter that word (3che!ical3( do you consider yourself to
be that'
C0 I ha&e studied that che!ical thoroughly and I a! not that0 E&erything is
contained in it but it is not !e0
M0 Just as this fla!e is the 4uality of the burning of the gas" si!ilarly"
because of this che!ical" there is the e/$erience of the waking state"
dee$ slee$ and knowingness? they are not your 4ualities0
@arious na!es are gi&en to the che!ical" !ula(!ays" sutra $rada!"
etc0 It is all illusion0 There is no 6od" no indi&idual soul" nothing0
The $ri!ary illusion e/$resses itself through Self(lo&e" lo&e for
beingness0 Bro! dee$ slee$ you wake u$? si!ilarly the disci$le who con(
siders the words of the 6uru as final" and follows his words and does ac(
cordingly" re!ains like that0 8lti!ately he gets the knowledge of the
Self0 Just as you wake u$ fro! dee$ slee$" you get that knowledge 3I
lo&e3? Self lo&e" it !erges into the Parabrah!an unknowingly0 %hen you
!editate you and that Self lo&e should be one ( there should not be any
duality0
The !ain $roble! with jnanis" those who intellectually ha&e this
knowledge" is their attach!ent to their relations and their belongings0
Nobody dies" death !eans finished? for e/a!$le" a dro$ of water when
it e&a$orates has beco!e infinite0 There is no death for anything"
e&erything finishes to beco!e infinite0
The $urusha is that $rinci$le fro! which e&erything flows" all the
!anifestation? it is the su$$ort for e&erything0 %hen you know
so!ething" you ha&e to beco!e that? in order to know the 6od you ha&e
to beco!e that0 In order to know that $urusha you ha&e to be that0
C+ Maharaj was s$eaking earlier of attach!ents" what about attach!ent to the
6uru' I find all other attach!ents are gone but this re!ains0
M+ %hat do you !ean" attach!ent to the 6uru' *ou and 6uru are
one" not two0
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C+ ow a! I to follow what Maharaj says when I ha&e so !any things to care for
fa!ily" etc0 '
M+ *our consciousness alone is taking care of e&erything? look at your
consciousness as 6od0 The first thing you do after waking u$ is to
!editate on that consciousness" that 3I 7!ness3? worshi$ that
consciousness for so!e ti!e before you start your daily acti&ities0
#efore you fall aslee$ at night" again abide in that consciousness" 3I
7!ness03 #e de&oted to that" and in such a !ood go into slee$0
That consciousness which !editates on the Self" that Self will be
re&ealed to you0
Peo$le worshi$ so !any 6ods" but these 6ods are only conce$ts
which ha&e occurred to the !ind0
Peo$le say they want to sa&e the!sel&es? sa&e what' %hat are you
trying to sa&e'
7ll your knowledge is dissol&ed here" so you can ha&e no $ride of being
ajnani when you lea&e here0
2ctober :>" :;<=
Cuestioner+ In the $resence of the Maharaj I feel there are no !ore 4uestions0
Maharaj+ *ou feel that the doubts are dis$elled" still the day is far off"
just wait0
C+ Can Swa!iji suggest one thing so that we !ay enjoy eternal bliss'
M0 I ha&e a &ery si!$le re!edy" and that is that I a! not the body0 ad the
world been real" there could ha&e been so!e treat!ent ( but it is not real0
%hate&er you do is of no use0 E&erywhere you see all this chaos" in s$ite of
all efforts0 *ou cannot sto$ it ( it is in a continual state of flu/" and it is all
unreal0
7fter listening to !y talks do you ac4uire and store knowledge" or is
whate&er knowledge you had being dissol&ed'
C #eco!ing dissol&ed0 Can I carry Maharaj to !y ho!e'
M0 I a! just like the city of #o!bay? can you carry #o!bay ho!e with
you' This e/$erience of the world is ha$$ening to you s$ontaneously" not
out of your efforts0 E&en your understanding of the 6uru !ust co!e
s$ontaneously0 Nothing will sto$ ( all the $rocess is going on without
your effort ( so !any bodies are being created and dying0 7ll actions for
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the running of the world are already ha$$ening0 The $rocess of creation
of !illions of bodies is already going on in the s$ace0 2ut of the weeds"
the grains ha&e co!e" in those grains the 3I 7!ness3 is latently $resent0
That $hone !essage" 3ello" I 7!" ello" I 7!"3 is already there in
that grain of food0 If you create so!ething out of your own efforts" only
then can you destroy it ( but this creation is not your effort0
2ctober :J" :;<=
Cuestioner+ There are !any !o!ents in !y life when I don.t like the situation
and I want to change it0
Maharaj+ *ou !ay fight with the situation but you are not the situation0 C+
%hen you start watching the !ind you know that you are a$art fro! the !ind and
you would not like to get in&ol&ed with the fight of the !ind" so naturally the friction
will beco!e less0
M0 In this $rocess you" as an indi&idual" are not left at all0 Try to under(
stand that 3I 7!3 is a $roduct of the sali&a guna" food essence $roduct0
The friction is the fight between that 4uiet witness and the world0
The fight began when the words began e!anating fro! the conscious(
ness0 %ords ha&e co!e out of you and you e!brace those words? you
beco!e the cha!$ion of the !eaning of those words which ha&e co!e
out of you0
*ou ha&e a !ountain of conce$ts and words0 To get rid of these you use
other conce$ts0 %hen you throw out all the conce$ts" including your
$ri!ary conce$t" then whate&er is" is0 Stay $ut in 4uietude0
C0 7re words necessary or is it just the $resence of Maharaj'
M+ No doubt association with a sage is conduci&e to realiAation"
ne&ertheless it !ust be followed u$ by 4uestions and answers0 There
are always so!e doubts arising fro! !ind" so until all traces of !ind are
re!o&ed you !ust clear the! out by words0
C0E These days" when thoughts co!e" I just turn away" I feel I sto$ the! now0
M0 If you can do this it is all right" but if they are flowing" let the! flow0
C0 Not being in&ol&ed in your thoughts ( is that enough'
M0 *es" that is the only thing" and whate&er has to ha$$en will ha$$en?
the &ery doing you ha&e gi&en u$0
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C0 So" it is no !ore necessary to try to change yourself" to try to do better things'
M0 %hen you don.t hang onto thoughts" you are no !ore a $erson0
C It !akes !e a little scared0 E&erything can ha$$en ( I can do craAy things0
M+ This is a co!!on stage" all $eo$le go through this0 Bear is a 4uality of
!ind and !ind does not want to lose itself0
,ecite the na!a(!antra" hang on to the !antra" because this is a stage
where the !ind is losing all su$$ort" therefore you gi&e it the su$$ort of
the !antra0
C0 The things that I don.t like in !yself" they deri&e fro! a thought as well" so I
can let go of the! also'
M0 *es0 Don.t say !yself" that is also a thought0
C0 So in the end it is as si!$le as that+ it.s just getting rid of thoughts ( it.s true0 M+
It is not a s!all achie&e!ent0 *ou !ay feel that you are thought(
free but at so!e stage thought will $ounce on you suddenly0 Many so(
"called sages" although they attained that thought(free state" still had
their fall0
2ctober :K" :;<=
Maharaja Just be as you are" don.t i!agine or $icturiAe0 *our body and
your i!age ha&e changed continuously all during your life and none of
these i!ages has re!ained constant0
7fter twenty(fi&e years your body will gi&e u$ this i!age and will
ha&e an old $erson.s i!age? later on that i!age also will go0 If these
i!ages had been real they would ha&e re!ained? they are unreal0 The 3I
7!3 $rinci$le has no for!" no color" no design0 Through these designs we
enjoy or suffer" but nothing is real? any e/$erience you get is not real0
%hether you are crying or laughing" this is the i!age for that !o!ent
only ( the ne/t !o!ent it will be changing00 So!e $eo$le are &ery good at
wee$ing" crying" la!entation" only for that !o!ent0
So long as the body is there this $assing show will be there" con(
tinously changing" and finally" that &ery consciousness through which
you see the world will 4uit0 The days are nu!bered of this body and con(
sciousness0
Cuestioner+ If I ha&e not fully attained when I die" will I ha&e another birth'
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M0 If you go with that conce$t" that conce$t will ha&e another birth0
*ou don.t know what for! that conce$t will take0
2nly that $erson will be &isiting !e whose destiny is being fully
e/hausted0 Nothing of his destiny will be left0
*ou are a lady fro! so!e far off country" why should you be &isiting this
$lace' #ecause your destiny is being annihilated0
No&e!ber K" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Consciousness is ti!e(bound" so whate&er I a!" is it also
ti!ebound" or is there not so!ething which is eternal'
Maharaj+ So long as the body is there you are this consciousness" but
once the body and the consciousness go you are that original state u$on
which all this has co!e as a te!$orary state0 *our original state is
changeless and $er!anent0
The difficulty co!es because you are all searching for That" forgetting
that That is what you are0 *ou" as the subject" are seeking you as an object0
*ou are what you are seeking0
The !o!ent there is a $ose" there is fear0 7nyone who has assu!ed
the $ose of a seeker will be bound to follow the traditional $ractices of a
seeker" and the li!itations0
%hat is the $ur$ose of all that I a! saying' It is a direct attack on
identification with the body(!ind0 So long as that identification is there
!y direct attacks will continue0
2nce dis(identification with the body(!ind takes $lace" #rah!an
will co!e with folded hands to your feet0
C0 Does this dis(identification take $lace suddenly or gradually'
M+ It de$ends on how you look at it0 If you are waiting for it" it will be
gradual? when the last ste$ is taken it is sudden0 %hen it does ha$$en you
will realiAe the identity of the non(!anifest and the !anifest? they are
one" there is no difference0
The true knowledge can only co!e when all $ossible conce$ts ha&e
been gi&en u$" and can only co!e fro! within0
Parabrah!an has no beginning and no end" It is eternal" whereas this
consciousness is ti!e(bound ( it has a beginning and an end0
Just as you wake u$ in the !orning and co!e to know that you are"
si!ilarly this has ha$$ened0 #ecause I a!" I woke u$" if I was not" how
could I ha&e woken u$'
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Parabrah!an co!es to know that It is" the consciousness is how Para(
brah!an knows that It is0 Parabrah!an is your eternal state" you cannot
re!e!ber it because you ha&e not forgotten it0 It is your dail+ e/$erience"
you know it0 There is consciousness" there is no 4uestion of I3? It is0
The life force is in the grain in a dor!ant condition0 8nderstand that
life force and do not condition it to any for!0 This beingness is not so!e(
thing which you can ca$ture a handful of" it is !anifest ( like s$ace" it is
all o&er0
7ll this $rofound talk is nothing but !ental entertain!ent0 7s you go
further into s$irituality you will realiAe that 3I 7!3 is the &ery 6od or soul
of an infinite nu!ber of uni&erses" but that 3I 7!3 is again entertain!ent0
7ll !y talks are conce$tual entertain!ent0
No&e!ber :=" :;<=
Maharaj+ 8$ to what $oint in the $ast can !y !e!ory go' I was a
s!all child and I re!e!ber riding on the shoulder of so!eone" an elderly
$erson? he was taking !e on so!e hill and I could see the sun rise ( that is
!y first i!$ression0
a&e you e&en gi&en a thought to this' 7t what age did you get the
knowledge of your own body' Su$$ose you started knowing yourself at the
age of four ( whate&er actions took $lace $rior to the age of four ha$$ened
without your knowing and there is no record in your !e!ory of that0 *ou
ha&e heard fro! others of things that ha$$ened" but you directly do
not know0 There is a scar and it is said that I was bitten by so!ebody"
but there is no !e!ory of that0 So !any things ha$$ened before the child
knew itself0
In the first few years the $ri!ary conce$t 3I 7!3 was there" but in a
dor!ant condition0 Hater on it started knowing itself0
Thejnani state is like the child state" when the child was not knowing
itself0 The a$$aratus through which that knowingness e/$resses itself is
now 4uite different" but the $rinci$le is the(sa!e0
Thejnanis will ha&e different ways of e/$ressing0 ,a!ana Maharshi
used to wear only a loin cloth" just washed" not ironed ( but here" I
would like to see that there are no wrinkles" &ery neatr(
There was another great Sage who was not conscious of his body? he
used to !o&e about naked0 Hord 1rishna was also u$(to(date" like !e"
and &ery well dressed0 Peo$le get lost in the e/ternal e/$ressions of a
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 I;
jnani and try to i!itate that instead of going to the $residing $rinci$le0
Now I thoroughly know that &ery first !o!ent" I know what is birth"
e&erything I know" ne&ertheless" could I &olitionally enter into that
birth' %hat doershi$ or authorshi$ did I ha&e" to enter or not to enter" or
to decide anything' %hen I say that I got the knowledge of !y birth" do I
really know directly what ha$$ened at that !o!ent' This is all con(
ce$tual knowledge? also all knowledge since then is conce$tual0
No&e!ber ::" :;<=
Maharaja There are Sages or Saints abounding all o&er" but they still
as$ire to be" they would like to continue their beingness0
ow long should I continue this waking state and dee$ slee$" wak(
ing state" dee$ slee$' So long as this cycle continues the knowingness also
will $re&ail there0 a&e you encountered anyone who was tired of this
waking state and dee$ slee$ state' In the waking state you carry out a lot of
acti&ities" and when you are tired you fall into slee$0 In this continuous
cycle what is the ad&antage'
Cuestioner+ It is said 3,arely so!ebody a$$reciates the skill of 6od0 3 %hat is that
skill of 6od0
M0 %here is that 6od' If you want to in4uire about so!e skill" in4uire
about the skill of your $arents0
*ou ha&e created a 6od because you want to beg fro! so!ebody
and that is what you call s$irituality0
C0 I don.t belie&e in that kind of 6od0 I belie&e that 6od is that touch of GI
7!ness" 3as Maharaj says0
M0E If you really understood and digested what I ha&e said( you would not
set foot in this $lace0
C0 If I ha&e understood whatyou ha&e said there is no need for !e to co!e ( it.s all
right ( but let !e ask you" factually it is like 0 0
M0 %hat do you !ean by facts'
C0 E&en to understand that what should I do' M+
Do that thing which you can.t do0
This world of !ays is built u$ of conce$ts only0 I cannot charge the
world with gi&ing !e the $ain? the" whole cause of the $ain is this know(
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ingness 3I 7!03 %hen this knowingness was not there" was there any
$ain or $leasure'
If you want to encounter 6od" di&e dee$ into your own Self? that is the
&ery storehouse of e&erything0
C0 ow does the drea! (state ha$$en'
M+ In dee$ slee$ there is an a$$arent waking state in which that 3I
7!ness. feels itself waking u$ and creates a drea! world0
*ou know &ery well how you $roceeded into this !ess0 *ou in4uire
into this and kee$ 4uiet0
7fter listening to !y wildly &irulent talks you !ay not co!e to!or(
row" it doesn.t !atter0 I tell you again and again" you !ight run around
and around the world" but nobody is going to gi&e you the knowledge0
,ecede into your own Self0 Surrender to your own beingness and that
alone will gi&e you all the knowledge necessary for you ( no one else will0
*ou don.t in4uire into this" you blindly follow the rituals of s$irituality0
*ou !aybe anywhere" but be honest" be de&oted only to your being0
No&e!ber DF" :;<=
Cuestioner+ Is the witnessing done by That which0 is $rior to consciousness" or
does consciousness witness itself0
Maharaja Cross that bridge when you co!e to it0 Don.t worry about the
$rinci$le $rior to consciousness" you just be the consciousness0
C0 7re 6ods only conce$ts'
M0 6ods !eans consciousness only0 Collect whate&er you can in the
absence of consciousness0
C+ %e are not able to understand the state of a jnani0 If the jnani has beco!e one
with the 7bsolute" where is the sco$e for the dis$lay of consciousness' %e don.t
understand how a jnani can be Parabrah!an and be here also0
Translator+ 7jnani can transcend consciousness and be the 7bsolute on
de!and? he can co!e into consciousness because that $articular body is
still a&ailable ( through that body co!!unication takes $lace with the
beings in consciousness0
The e/a!$le gi&en in our scri$tures is like this+ *ou ha&e an ocean
and the water fro! the ocean in a $ot" now that $ot is di$$ed into the
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 K:
ocean" the $ot is still there" but the water in the $ot !erges with the ocean
water" so that water does not feel any difference" but the water in the $ot
can also witness the $ot0 It has the ad&antage of being one with the
7bsolute and to use the body also0 %ith this e/a!$le I a! able to
understand what the state of ajnani could be0
M0( 8nderstand beingness and all will be sol&ed0 It iS all your s$eculation
about that 7bsolute state fro! your grosser state0 Presently it is like a
signboard indicati&e of the Parabrah!an0 The word Parabrah!an is not
Parabrah!an0
*our habit is to ask 4uestions0 7 few words are flung at you" so!e
conce$ts are gi&en to you" and you say that you understand0
The only the!e of !y talks is you ( you know you are0 ow and
why do you know you are' It is only about that which I talk0
*ou ha&e no authority o&er this consciousness" it has co!e by itself
and it will go by itself0 *ou can.t do anything with it0
C+ The whole idea of control is !eaningless then'
M0 *es0 *ou ha&e absolutely no authority o&er it0
C0 The &ery foundation is taken out fro! under us0
M0( 7ll your !o!ents of s$irituality are based on the 3I a! the body3
idea0 This knowledge 3I 7!3 is going to re!ain for a short $eriod0
C+ %hat about those who say they are the incarnations of this one or that one' 7re
they just ideas'
M+ This will be &ery clear to you when you re!ain in your real $osition0
8ntil then" acce$t it if you like0 8ntil you know your true state you will
acce$t all these hearsays because you don.t know the truth0
*ou need not go to that $rior state0 Presently" what you are ( this
$ri!ary conce$t ( thrash it out0 %hen you thrash it out" what you are
$rior to the conce$t is o$en0 Nor!ally" ajnani will not e/$lain in such
detail to a seeker0
*ou ha&e thoroughly studied the teachings of ,a!ana Maharshi0 In his
teachings did you co!e across this as$ect'
C0 The !ore I listen to Maharaj" the !ore I understand the teachings of ,a!ana
Maharshi0
M0E a&e you understood ,a!ana Maharshi'
C0 I can ne&er understand" because he is the 7bsolute" not an object to be
understood0 I a! not an object either0
M0E *es0 ,a!ana Maharshi is the 7bsolute" you are also That0 The 7b(
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solute cannot be caught in the do!ain of your e/$erience0 7re you
con&inced'
C0 *es0
M0 %hy did this beingness of !ine ha$$en' %hat was the cause' *ou
!ust get to know what this is thoroughly0
C0 %hat is the $oint of trying to find out answers to these 4uestions' Is it not
sufficient for !e to know that I a!" that !y beingness has a$$eared and will disa$$ear'
%hy do I need to know all this'
M0 *ou !ust know5 The knowingness is the outco!e of what' The
4uality of what'
C+ It.s a 4uality of food0
M0 2h yes" but when do you co!e to know of it'
C0 It is not !y e/$erience0
No&e!ber D;" :;<=
Cuestioner+ This that I a! ( and the consciousness which is ti!e(bound ( what is
the relationshi$'
Maharaj+ %hat is the conce$t of 3I3 with which you are trying to find a
relationshi$' This is e/actly where the !isconce$tion arises0
In this conce$t of s$ace and ti!e there is total !anifestation" in that
you consider that you are so!ething se$arate0 There is nothing se$a(
rate" you are $art of the function of the total !anifestation0
7s 7bsolute" I a! ti!eless" infinite" and I a! awareness" without
being aware of awareness0 7s infinity I e/$ress !yself as s$ace" as ti!e(
less I e/$ress !yself as ti!e0 8nless there is s$ace and duration I cannot
be conscious of !yself0 %hen s$ace and ti!e are $resent there is con(
sciousness" in that the total !anifestation takes $lace and &arious $he(
no!ena co!e into being0
I" by Myself" 7wareness" descend into this consciousness" and in this
consciousness I e/$ress Myself in !anifold ways" in innu!erable
for!s0 This is the cru/" the fra!ework of !anifestation? there is no
4uestion of any indi&iduality0
%hat is this' Lolding u$ a bag of a$$lesM There is no difference
between this fruit" a goat" or a hu!an being0 They are all food $roducts"
all three are food0
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7ll creation" e&ery creature" is !ade u$ of the fi&e ele!ents" and the
beha&ior of each creature de$ends on the co!bination of the three guns?
satoa" rajas" ta!as0 There is no 4uestion of being res$onsible for anything that
ha$$ens in the world0 It is only by taking deli&ery of res$onsibility that
one suffers0
The consciousness of being $resent" the fi&e ele!ents and the three
gunas" that is the total of the uni&ersal !anifestation0
In your original state there is no awareness of awareness" therefore
no 4uestion of knowledge0 The knowledge co!es only with the a$(
$earance of the body and consciousness0 This knowledge is really ig(
norance" and whate&er knowledge is based on that is also ignorance0
*ou ha&e been $racticing s$irituality for !any years" what do you
ha&e in hand'
C0 I a! consciousness" that is !y $rofit0
M+ Is this $rofit $er!anent' Is that your true nature'
C0 I identify !yself with the total !anifestation0
M0 7ll that" is it not only after you got your consciousness' 6o back to
your state before this consciousness ca!e u$on you0
Birst you identify with the body" then you identify with the
consciousness" after awhile you continue to be the consciousness" but the
tra$ is that you will think you ha&e beco!e ajnani0 E&en being in
consciousness is ti!e bound0 The original state is before the consciousness
ca!e u$on you0 In one case the knowledge was gi&en" it was
understood" and the $erson beca!e That in one day? another took a
thousand years" and also reached that state0 Is there any difference'
%hat was originally so!ething which I lo&ed" now I no longer want it
because I a! aware" of !y true nature0 I no longer need this
consciousness" e&en for fi&e !inutes0
7t the end of your life you will be $re$ared to $ay fi&e lakhs of ru$ees for
an e/tension of e&en fi&e !inutes0 I a! not $re$ared to gi&e e&en one ru$ee0
I ha&e lost all lo&e for this !anifested world0
M0E *ou !ust !aintain this knowledge 3I 7!3 in $ro$er order0 I 4uarrel
with !y $eo$le if they don.t kee$ these utensils in $ro$er and clean order0
Su$$ose this towel is left unwashed ( then I will $lay hell with whoe&er is
res$onsible0 7ll the dirt which is not the towel should be re!o&ed0
Si!ilarly" 3I 7!3 is the tool through which you get all the knowledge0 *ou
worshi$ that 3I 7!"3 re!o&e all the adulterations" the dirt0
C+ ow to worshi$ the 3I 7!ness3"K
M0 That knowingness alone $oints out all the dirt which is i!$osed on
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it0 E&en the s$ace is not as $ure as the knowledge 3I 7!03 Innately the
world is &ery $ure? it is rendered dirty because you identify with the
body0 Since you do not recogniAe your 3I 7!ness3 in its $urity" you refer to
&arious books and Sages to get an identity0
C0 )another- I a! afraid of losing !y beingness" !y e/istence0
M0 %here is the 4uestion of worry' E&en the Parabrah!an does not
know Itself0 %hen we co!e to the conclusion that you are not" I a! not"
what is left is said to be Parabrah!an" but what is Parabrah!an' *ou can.t
describe it" so you are silent0 I a! also silent0 Parabrah!an cannot be
co!$ared with anything0
C0 Is Na!a Ja$a useful'
M0 #y all !eans do it and its worth will be $ro&ed in due course0 *ou
ha&e to abide in that Ja$a? it is no use conce$tualiAing what benefits you
are going to deri&e fro! it0 Bollow it and realiAe the benefits0 E&en if the
one following Na!a(Ja$a is like a donkey or dud" he will beco!e a great
Sage ( that $ower is there in the recitation of aja$a0 %hen that $erson
co!es across a Sat(6uru" the Sage tells hi!" 3*ou need not take care of
yourself because you are that i!!anent $rinci$le 3I 7!03 *ou need not
take care of anything0 *ou just be and e&erything will be taken care of
for you03
It is a $ity that you de$end so !uch on hearsay and you don.t try to
in&estigate for yourself0 *our knowledge is confined to your body and
borrowed knowledge0
7ll the acti&ities of the world are going on because of this 3I 7!ness03 It
is the source which creates the world0 8nderstand that 3I 7!ness. first ((
only then can you transcend it0 Birst of all" be that 3I 7!ness03
No&e!ber F=" :;<=
Maharaj+ This 3I 7!ness3 is a function of nature" a $roduct of the fi&e
ele!ental food body0 It knows itself" it lo&es to be0 %ith the aid of this
knowingness" get to know your Self0
Many eons ha&e co!e and gone" but no $erson could retain his iden(
tity or his !e!ory $er$etually ( it is gone with the de$arture of the
body0 The fi&e ele!ent essences" $lus the three gunas" !eans a $erson?
with that this knowingness co!es" the !e!ory 3I 7!03 This $ersonality
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 KJ
is sustained by the $ro&isions su$$lied by the fi&e ele!ents0 So long as the
$ro&isions are su$$lied in $ro$er order the body and 3I 7!ness3 will be
there0 2nce the su$$ly is sto$$ed the touch of 3I 7!ness3 is gone0
That which has co!e to see Maharaj" do you recogniAe that' Is it the
body" or so!ething outside the body'
Cuestioner+ Inside or outside" I don.t know0
M+ @ery good re$ly0 1ee$ aside the body and describe that0
C0 I can.t describe it0
M+ Since you can.t describe that" what is the use of that'
C0 No use0
M0 2nce you understand this" you will get the truth0 The one which is
listening" which you do not know" is you" and the one which you know as
you" you are not0
The highest $ur$ose of s$irituality is the Para!at!an ( that
knowledge that indwells the body" 3I 7!"3 and that cannot be
described0 %hen you fir!ly agree that this is right" does it not !ean that
you ha&e the s$iritual wisdo!'
C0 %ho can get s$iritual wisdo!'
M0 E/ce$t you" who could that be' *ou and you alone0 %ho could ask
3who a! I3 but you' If the 4uestioner 3I3 is not there" who is going to ask
4uestions' This is the cul!ination of s$iritual knowledge for you? you
need not co!e again0
C0 I like to be with Maharaj0
M0E *ou can sit here0 Now whether you li&e one year or a thousand" the
result will be this only0
C+ Maharaj answers !y 4uestions before I ask the!0
M0 Initially you acce$t what other $eo$le say but in due course"
whate&er is acce$ted is thrown o&erboard0
C0 I cannot ha&e any e/$erience of how beingness ca!e into being because I ha&e no
knowledge of what e/isted before being0
M0 This knowledge is &ery si!$le and" at the sa!e ti!e" &ery $ro(
found0 %ho will know all this $rocess" the a$$earance of the knowing(
ness" and finally its disa$$earance' The one who understands this
reaches the state of Sat(6uru" but an ordinary $erson cannot understand
this0 Sat(6uru is not the child of hu!an $arents0
To know these secrets" to understand these secrets" *ou surrender to
KI 9 P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS
that &ery $rinci$le 3I 7!"3 and that consciousness alone will lead you to
this0 Presently" stabiliAe in the consciousness0 If you don.t do that" your
&ery conce$ts will be &ery dangerous to you ( they will throttle you to
death0 The knowledge you are is the source of all energy" the source of all
6ods" of all ty$es of knowledge0
a&ing heard these talks" you need not co!e again" you ha&e only to
abide in that conscioussness you are" that &ery dyna!ic $rinci$le
because of which e&erything is0 StabiliAe yourself therein0 Confir! your
stability there0 *ou are only that0 This is the si!$lest !ethod+ you know
you are" just be there0
Dece!ber K" :;<=
Cuestioner+ I want direct e/$erience of the 8lti!ate0
Maharaja The 7bsolute cannot be e/$erienced0 It is not an objecti&e
affair0 %hen I a! unicity then that is $ure awareness which is not aware
of its awareness" and there can be no subject and object ( therefore
there can be no witnessing0 7ny !anifestation" any functioning" any
witnessing" can only take $lace in duality0 There has to be a subject and
an object" they are two" but they are not two" they are two ends of the
sa!e thing0 %hen consciousness stirs" duality arises0 There are !illions
of objects" but each object" when it sees another" assu!es the subjecti&ity
of the 7bsolute" although it is an object0 I" as an object" $ercei&e and
inter$ret all the other objects" and I assu!e that I a! the subject" and
the witnessing takes $lace0
C0 %hy does consciousness stir' %hat is the cause'
M0 %ithout any cause" s$ontaneously" it ha$$ens? there is no reason0
That consciousness is uni&ersal ( there is no indi&iduality0 #ut when the
consciousness stirs in a $articular for! which has also arisen
s$ontaneously" and starts functioning in that for!" that for! assu!es that
it is an indi&idual and what is unli!ited li!its itself to a $articular for!
and the trouble starts0
Het us say that so!eone has beco!e ajnani" but what was it to begin
with' It was that sour" bitter" $rinci$le" that secretion because of which the
consciousness has taken $lace0 That &ery $rinci$le" the knowledge 3I 7!"3
has de&elo$ed" grown" and beco!e sweet? it !atures and beco!es the
!anifestjnani state? but what is that' It is the $roduct of the fi&e ele(
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS9 KK
!ental food essence0 %hen that goes" what re!ains' The 7bsolute
which does not know Itself0
C? The desire for liberation is also a desire" isn.t it'
M0 Don.t talk about liberation" talk about yourself" what you are0
%hen you understand that" both knowledge and ignorance disa$$ear"
*ou only re4uire knowledge so long as the ignorance is there0
7 knowledgeable $erson can tell anything to an ignorant $erson to
re!o&e his ignorance0 Bor that $ur$ose he takes the aid of the so(called
worldly knowledge" conce$ts" and both the worldly conce$tual knowl(
edge and the ignorance go si!ultaneously0 7jnani will gi&e you any con(
ce$ts to re!o&e your ignorance0 This 3I 7!ness3 is the knowledge and0
you are e!bracing that0 To re!o&e that he gi&es you all these conce$ts?
to understand that you are not this 3I 7!ness3 which is an outco!e of
the food essence $roduct0 2nce you realiAe that" whate&er conce$ts he
has gi&en you" together with this 3I 7!ness"3 are to be thrown out0 %hat
re!ains is the 7bsolute0
This is the actual state of affairs0 *ou can ne&er say I a! like this or
that ( you are without knowledge0 ,arely will one ugflerstand this and"
transcend the do!ain of consciousness0
7fter listening to !y talks" you think it is all &ery si!$le" but it is not
that easy0
Dece!ber ;" :;<=
Maharaja ere you will get to know what is" not what you e/$ect to
hear0 Duality arises when consciousness arises0 I a! $resent and I know
that I a! $resent ( that is duality0 I a! and I a! not conscious of being
$resent ( that is unicity0 There is only one" .but when this conscious
$resence is there" then there is a sense of duality0
Cuestioner+ Is a ,ealiAed $erson aware of e&erything'
M0 7ctually no one is realiAed" there is only $ure knowledge0 It is only for
reasons of co!!unication that we say a $erson is realiAed0 The
knowledge has realiAed that it is knowledge? that is all that has ha$$ened0 I
a! not the body" I a! not the words? when knowledge recogniAes this it is
called Self(,ealiAation0
C" The knowledgeMaharaj is gi&ing isforjnanis0 %hat ha$$ens to the &ery si!$le
!an who is not able to co!$rehend this'
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M+ #hajans and !editation0 #y !editation the knowledge which is
i!!ature will gradually grow into !aturity0
C0 7 thousand years ago $eo$le were $ri!iti&e0 They could not ha&e understood
this0 It is only for de&elo$ed !inds0
M0 %hether $ri!iti&e or ci&iliAed" $eo$le can understand this0 E&en in
those days there !ust ha&e been so!e to who! this knowledge did a$$ear
and they instincti&ely understood0
This knowledge is not new? it has always been in e/istence0 Peo$le
ca!e to know instincti&ely0
C0 %hy is it that India see!s to be the cradle of this knowledge' No other country
see!s to ha&e this knowledge0
M+ That is not so0 This !anifestation is the e/$ression of the 7bsolute"
and the !anifestation !ay take &arious for!s in &arious countries0
%here it takes what kind of e/$ression is i!!aterial? basically all is the
!anifestation of the 7bsolute0 There is no cause and effect" no reason
why one thing should be in one $lace and so!ething else in another0
%hat is to be found out is what one is" by oneself0
C0 Can the 6uru gi&e a $ush toward that knowledge'
M0 *ou think that you are one indi&idual and the 6uru is another
indi&idual but that is not so0 6uru is the knower of this consciousness"
which is te!$orary0
8nderstand this curious situation+ while I a! talking to you there is
unbearable $ain in the body0
I ha&e understood fir!ly that there are no indi&iduals se$arate fro!
one another" no knowledge se$arate as worldly knowledge and s$iritual
knowledge0 There is no 6uru and no disci$le" there is no 6od and no
de&otee0 There are no o$$osites ( they are a $olaristic duality" not two
se$arate $arts" but two $arts of the sa!e one0 I a! con&inced of that and yet
I a! talking to you0 *ou acce$t it as knowledge and I gi&e it as
knowledge0 8nderstand this a!using factor0
The talks e!anate s$ontaneously out of !e? $rior to the e!anation of
the words there is no !eaning fabricated inside0 There is no $art
$layed by the !ind0 It is direct s$ontaneity0
C %hat is the definition of consciousness as used by Maharaj'
M0 Consciousness" as it is used here" is this sense of being ali&e" of being
$resent" the sense of e/istence0 It is the lo&e of being that is the source
and cause of all desires0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 K;
Dece!ber :F" :;<=
Maharaj+ The 7bsolute is unicity" by Itself" but it is e/$ressed in !ani(
fold ways and for!s0 7s 7bsolute I ha&e no e/$erience of !yself0 The
de&otion without another is de&otion to the Self" where there is no dual(
ity0 2nce the duality co!es" the de&otion is di&ided between subject and
object0 #efore birth we were not conscious of ourself? only when a for(
eign ele!ent" the birth" was introduced" did we beco!e conscious of
ourself0
7$$rehending this is awakening and for this there is no $ath or
techni4ue0 This is so subtle that I would like to s$eak !ore about it" but it
is $hysically i!$ossible for !e to s$eak !ore than a few words0
%hat I s$eak about o$enly" others will not0 The a!ount of rece$ti&ity
each one has de$ends on his own luck0 8nderstand also that what you
hear fro! !e you cannot utiliAe0 %hate&er you hear will s$ontaneously do
what it likes0
Cuestioner+ Sitting here and listening to Maharaj is $ure joy0 E&en though it a$$ears
to be in duality" it strikes so!ething dee$ inside0
M+ So long as there is that sense of duality a!ongst you what you hear
cannot reach the target0
8nderstand what I a! saying0 The consciousness arises
s$ontaneously0 2nce I a! conscious of !yself I know I e/ist" and I lo&e
this beingness? I do not want this beingness to de$art fro! !e and it is
this that !akes !e stri&e all the day till slee$ o&erco!es !e" in order
tokkee$ this lo&e of beingness satisfied0
Then the 6uru tells !e the true state of affairs" that this
consciousness which I lo&e so !uch is only an illusion0 It is the basic cause of
all unha$$iness and !y true state is before this consciousness arose0
That is beyond all conce$ts and any na!e gi&en is a conce$t0
8nderstand it thoroughly" intuiti&ely" beyond words" but also
understand that that understanding can be of no use to you" because it is at
the le&el of consciousness" and consciousness is illusory0
%hat is being recorded and transcribed here will be of uni!aginable
&alue in course of ti!e when the basis of understanding will be broadened
and $eo$le will want to know what the state of affairs is0 7t that ti!e"
when this is e/$osed on a wider scale" there will be wonder!ent0 These
words will be few" but those who at a certain ti!e will be $roud of their
own achie&e!ents" when they hear these few words their own knowledge
will e&a$orate so suddenly they will be wonderstruck0
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C0 I don.t understand the way the word consciousness is used here0 I thought
consciousness was $ure awareness" the 8lti!ate reality0
M0 This consciousness" which de$ends on the food body which is born" is
ti!e(bound0 That which is $rior to consciousness is the 7bsolute" and when
consciousness is without a for! and not aware of itself" it is the 7bsolute0 %e
are nothing but this consciousness0
*ou co!e here and I talk to you but I a! not concerned whether you
co!e or go0 I a! totally inde$endent0 I" as the 7bsolute" do not need the
consciousnes0 Total inde$endence is !erely to a$$rehend and
understand0 My a$$arent de$endence is on this consciousness which says
3I 7!03 It is this sentience which enables !e to $ercei&e you0 This conce$t
I did not ha&e but e&en then I e/isted0 I was there before this
consciousness a$$eared0
%hate&er you want" desire or worshi$" can only be conce$ts0 a&e you
heard what is conce$tual e/istence and what is e/istence $rior to conce$ts'
Many $eo$le ha&e co!e here $urely for s$iritual $ur$oses and they ha&e
$rofessed great lo&e for !e0 Subse4uently so!e good fortune ha$$ens to
the! and they $ros$er and in their $ros$erity they ha&e no ti!e to co!e
here0 7ll the earlier lo&e is where' This is the $ro&ince of !ays0 7 $erson
co!es with the sincere intention of s$iritual search" then this !ays shows
hi! a little bit of te!$tation and off he goes0
This !ays does not o$erate inde$endently ( we are $artners0 %ill he
dare di&orce hi!self fro! this !aya' No" he will acce$t that !aya0 That
ego )that I a! so and so- is &ery difficult to get rid of" but the ego cannot
touch one who really understands what I say0
*ou will continue co!ing here as long as the conce$ts re!ain? once
you go beyond conce$ts there will be no need to co!e here0
Since when and because of what" is what you think you are'
Dece!ber DF" :;<=
Cuestioner+ %hen you obser&e a $roble!" any $roble! in the hu!an !ind" ifyou
obser&e it &ery strong and $ure" the $roble! dissol&es and there is only obser&ation0
%hat is that obser&ation" who is that obser&ation" what is the essence of that
obser&ation' ow to go further'
Maharaj+ O This is a traditional way of understanding0 It is a traditional
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 <:
!ood of the world obser&ation" nothing beyond that0 Just a !ood" that.s
all0 %hen did this $rocess of obser&ing start' It started with the arri&al of
the waking state" dee$ slee$ state" and the knowlege 3I 7!"3 all rolled into
one 3I 7!03 This is known as birth0 %ith the so(called birth this triad
has co!e" and with its arri&al obser&ation started0 E&ery day it is going
on0 The !o!ent the 3I 7!ness3 co!es it is being used for
e/$eriencing" obser&ing" etc0
Prior to the ha$$ening of this birth" where was that 3I 7!ness3' It
was not there0
C0 6oing on further" one is in obser&ation" one is just obser&ing" is there any further
4uestion then' %hat should be the 4uestion'
M0 %hen does the obser&ation occur and of what' *ou ha&e collected a
$rofound &ocabulary" but the Self(knowledge has not dawned0
C *ou see" that is what I was obser&ing0 ow to en4uire into that'
M+ *ou know you are0 #ecause you know you are" e&erything is
ha$$ening0 6et to know that knowledge 3I 7!03 %hen you understand
what that 3I 7!ness3 is" then the shell of the !ystery is broken0
C+ %hat is the $rocedure to get at that'
M0E Pou go to the source out of which this 4uestion arose0 That source
will sol&e this 4uestion0
C0 Is there any en4uiry in that'
M0 2h yes0 If anybody" any $rinci$le" wants to $ose the 4uestion he
should not e!brace the body as hi!self0 Pose the 4uestion fro! the
stand$oint that you are only the knowledge 3I 7!03
C0 *ou $ut the 4uestion because you don.t know0
M0 *es" but the $ri!ary ignorance is about our 3I 7!ness03 %e ha&e
taken it as the 8lti!ate" that is ignorance0 %e $resu!e that this con(
sciousness is the eternal" the 8lti!ate" that is the !istake0 This 3I 7!3
$rinci$le is there $ro&ided the waking state and dee$ slee$ are there0 I a!
not the waking state" I a! not the dee$ slee$ ( therefore I" the 7b(
solute" a! not that 3I 7!03 Hea&e aside this triad? what are you'
C0 It co!es again to the 4uestion 3%ho a! I'3
M0 8nderstand clearly0 %hen you kee$ aside the &ery instru!ent of
4uestioning" where is the 4uestion'
C+ If you don.t 4uestion000
M0 %hich you' *ou ha&e re!o&ed that 3you03
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C0 I don.t know0 ow can you answer'
M0 %hat 4uestions can you ha&e without this triad' Het us $resu!e that
you are fifty years old0 *ou ha&e had the association of that triad for f ifty
years? go behind now" fi&e years earlier what was your e/$erience' %hat
were you like'
C0 I don.t know0
M0 That is correct0 It was a no(knowing state0 In that no(knowing
state" suddenly knowingness has a$$eared0 It has created all this
!ischief0 Since when are you and how long will you continue to be'
C0 %ell" I would say" since I ha&e been e/$eriencing and for as long as I a!
e/$eriencing0
M0 ,ight0 Now" without the e/$erience of 3I 7!ness"3 talk so!ething
about that0
C0 I can.t0
M0 The association with this triad state" this bundle of !ischief" due to
what'
Bor e/a!$le" a building is on fire" it is said because of a short circuit in
the electricity+ The arri&al of this triad" due to what short circuiting' There
was so!e friction0
%hen you $ress here on the cigarette lighter the fla!e is there?
because of the friction or short circuiting" all the three states are afla!e0
C0 7nd the fla!e is'
M+ 3I 7!03
C0 I ha&e been born into this0
M0 #ecause of that triad you are e/$eriencing life and doing s$irituality
also0
C0 7t the end there is no 4uestion at all" no who a! I or what a! I if I $ut aside this
triad there can only be silence0
M0 Silence or $eace is related to chaos or turbulence0
C0 It has nothing to do with $eace and turbulence0 I !ean" ifyou just sit 4uiet in
your Self" lea&ing aside these three states" knowing that I don.t know !yself" you can
only be silent0
M0 %hat you say is i!$ossible0 The knowingness will be there $ro&ided
waking state and dee$ slee$ are there0 If they were not a&ailable you
would not ha&e been here in this for!0
If you had the ca$acity to know before birth that you were being
born" you would not ha&e cared to ju!$ into this $it of birth0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 <F
Dece!ber D>" :;<=
Maharaja There is a great difference in !y $resent state? earlier when I
listened to bhajans I was conscious of the words and the dee$er !eaning of
the words" and I was totally in&ol&ed in the bhajans0 Now !y con(
sciousness reacts only to the e/tent that there is consciousness of the bhajans
taking $lace" but no in&ol&e!ent0
I a! no longer concerned with anything to do with 3!e3 or 3!ine03
This sense of 3!e3 and 3!ine3 is so strong that there can be 4uarrels o&er
nothing !ore than a little $iece of cloth with no intrinsic &alue" si!$ly
because of the identification of 3!ine03
This consciousness is nothing but energy0 %hen the body essence
grows weaker" the consciousness grows weaker" and ulti!ately will
lea&e? nothing is dead0
Bood is one ite! that kee$s this energy in good order0 I take hardly
any treat!ents" but I do ha&e !y body !assaged0 This !assage re&i&es
the
war!th in the body )which is the energ
y- so the energy in the body"
which tends to be la/ and cold" is war!ed u$ again by the !assage0
%hat is born is the waking and slee$ states and the conce$t of ti!e
and consciousness0 2nce this consciousness is conscious of itself it takes
on certain ite!s as its own" because of conditioning" and others as not its
own" and it will fight for and try to $rotect those which it considers its
own0 %hen consciousness realiAes its $otential $ower" its uni&ersality" the
3!e3 and 3!ine3 conce$t is lost0
This uni&ersal consciousness is known as 6od" which is the
7l!ighty" the 2!ni$otent" 2!niscient" and 2!ni$resent" all the
attributes0 These attributes are gi&en to 6od in consciousness" not to the
7bsolute0 The 7bsolute is without attributes0
Dece!ber DK" :;<=
Maharaja The trouble is" e&erybody wants to ha&e the knowledge of the Self
without gi&ing u$ the identification with the body" they are contra(
dictory0 6i&e u$ this identification and e&erything beco!es si!$le0 I a!
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there before anything can ha$$en0 If anyone is asked whether he knows
when the sky ca!e into e/istence" he will say he does not know0 e does not
know because he considers his $resence only as a $heno!enon when the
body was there0
That the sky was not there I know" and who is this' It is the 2ne who is
$rior to e&erything0 My true nature is not circu!scribed by the conce$t of
ti!e and s$ace0
%hen you hear this you $ro!$tly get confused and say" 3In that
case" how can I carry on !y nor!al business'3 8nderstand your true
nature and then do any a!ount of business you like0
I say all this with great sincerity and great urgency0 Peo$le hear it but
do not gi&e u$ the identification with the body0 They hang on to it with
great deter!ination0
E&en the state!ent that you e/isted before the sky e/isted will not be
acce$table to you0
7 child !ay be $laying with the s!allest coin" and if it is re!o&ed will
be greatly agitated0 *ou acce$t your identification with the sa!e
deter!ination" the sa!e an/iety" in s$ite of the knowledge which you are
being gi&en0 E&en if you gi&e the child a toy !ade of gold" he will re(
ject it because he has his heart set on that s!all coin0 E&en if I gi&e you
this knowledge" which is $riceless" it will not be acce$table0 The sound
which first co!es to denote the $resence I a! not? I a! neither the $res(
ence nor the sound denoting the $resence0 %hate&er one sees or $er(
cei&es" that one !ust be $rior to what is seen or $ercei&ed0 It is si!$le0
%hen this knowledge of the Self gets fir!er and fir!er we are no
longer attracted to those things which had $re&iously attracted us so
!uch0 *ou see !e talking" a$$arently at ease" but there is continual
suffering" $articularly between D and > $0!0 the e/istence of this
consciousness itself beco!es unbearable0 This is no one else.s e/$erience
I e/$erience it !yself0
%hat is being recorded now" when it is ty$ed and $ut into book for!
and so!eone reads it" what will he !ake of it' e will say that he cannot
i!agine anyone ha&ing li&ed who could say this0 The actual(fact now is
that I ha&e reached a stage where it would re4uire good fortune for any(
one to ha&e e&en a sight of that $rinci$le0 The words are so $rofound"
there is dee$er !eaning behind it0 Presently only fortunate $eo$le will
listen to !y talks0
I re$eatedly tell you that there is nothing sa&e this consciousness" the
knowledge 3I 7!3 (if you feel like worshi$$ing so!ething" worshi$
that0 I a! gi&ing blessings0 #lessings !ean what' I a! gi&ing
confidence and courage0
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Dece!ber D<" :;<=
Maharaja Can any Cf your conce$ts gras$ the total" the 8lti!ate' a&e you
understood that knowledge itself is ignorance' If it were real it would ha&e
been there eternally ( it would not ha&e had a beginning and an end0
Now the e/$erience 3I 7!3 is felt" earlier that e/$erience was not0
%hen it was not" no $roof was called for" but once it is" lots of $roof is re(
4uired0
ow did you wake u$ in the !orning' %hy did you wake u$ at all' It
is not the !ind which knows ( so!ebody knows because of the !ind0 Now
!y hand has lifted" who knows' The one who has lifted !y hand knows it
has lifted it0 *ou are before the !ind? because you are there the !ind is
working0
%hen will you wake u$' Pro&ided you are" you wake u$0
Through the conce$ts of others you ha&e built u$ so !any things
around you that you are lost0 3*ou3 is decorated and e!bellished by the
conce$ts of others0 Prior to recei&ing any hearsays fro! outside" has
anyone any infor!ation about hi!self'
The $ur$ose of Sat(6uru is to tell you what you are like $rior to the
building u$ of all those conce$ts of others0 *our $resent s$iritual store(
house is filled u$ with.the words of others ( de!olish those conce$ts0
Sat( 6uru !eans the eternal state which will ne&er be changed+ what you
are0 *ou are that i!!utable" eternal" unchangeable 7bsolute0 Sat( 6uru
tells you to get rid of all these walls built around you by the hearsays and
conce$ts of others0
*ou ha&e no for!" no design0 The na!es and for!s you see are your
consciousness only ( the Self is colorless but it is able to judge colors" etc0
The one who is directed by a Sat(6uru has no !ore birth0 *our sad(
hana is o&er" you ha&e reached this $lace0
To you who search for the Self" I e/$lain this ty$e of knowledge" I
lead you to a state where there is no hunger" no desire0
%hen you ha&e knowledge you see the 3I3 as all($er&asi&e" as long as
the consciousness is there" but the witness of the consciousness has no 3I
7!"3 that is your true eternal nature0
6i&ing u$ the body is a great festi&al for !e0
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Dece!ber D;" :;<=
Maharaj+ Sitting in !editation hel$s the consciousness to blosso!0 It
causes dee$er understanding and s$ontaneous change in beha&ior0
These changes are brought about in the consciousness itself" not in the
$seudo($ersonality0 Borced changes are at the le&el of the !ind0 Mental
and intellectual changes are totally unnatural and different fro! the
ones that take $lace in the birth $rinci$le0 These take $lace naturally"
auto!atically" by the!sel&es" due to !editation0
Most of the $eo$le see the tree of knowledge and ad!ire it" but what is
to be understood is its source ( the seed" the latent force fro! which it
s$routs0 Many $eo$le talk about it but only intellectually? I talk about it
fro! direct knowledge0
7 s!all s$eck of consciousness" which is like a seed" has all the
worlds contained in it0 The $hysical fra!e is necessary for it to !anifest
itself0
7ll the a!bitions" ho$es and desires are connected with an identity"
and so long as there is an identity" no truth can be a$$ercei&ed0
Cuestioner+ Is there any destiny for the total !anifestation or the $heno!ena as a
whole'
M0 7s there is no single identity" where will it go' The fuel is the destiny of
the fla!e? so also" the food essence body is the destiny of the
consciousness0 Consciousness alone offers destiny and destiny offers
suffering0 #ecause of the !istaken identity we think of $ersonaliAed
consciousness" but actually it is &ast and li!itless0
The source of consciousness is $rior to ti!e and s$ace0 Manifestation
needs ti!e and s$ace? but the source of consciousness was there before
!anifestation took $lace0 The !anifestation has fi&e ele!ents" three gunas
and" abo&e all" consciousness" the 3I 7!ness03 Now how can anything be
without !y conscious $resence' E&en the ele!ents cannot e/ist without
!e ( I do not do anything" I do not create anything ( they ha$$en because
of !y conscious $resence0 My $resence" is throughout and I say this with
con&iction0
So!e !ay read these words" so!e !ay ha&e heard these words"
so!e !ay hear the ta$e recordings" so!e !ay want to hear" but will be
thrown so far away fro! the ta$es" due to circu!stances" that it won.t be
$ossible0 There are !illions of &arieties of for!s in the total !anifesta(
tion" but the source of all is the consciousness0 %hat is this
consciousness' Does anyone think along these lines'
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In drea!s one sees !oons" stars" etc0" but the identity is not there0
The consciousness has to be understood during the waking state0 Peo$le
co!e and go" sights co!e and go" ele!ents co!e and go" but I re!ain0 I
a! conscious of !y consciousness" and then alone the whole show is
there0
Su$$ose a &ery i!$ortant $erson is co!ing to &isit in two !onths0
The houses are decorated" the stands are $ut u$" the streets are
decorated" a lot of show is there0 %hy' It is due to that @0I0P0
So!e $eo$le fast for a !onth" and take a lot of hardshi$s on
the!sel&es" but they e/$ect to get back !ore than they gi&e away0
Peo$le look e&erywhere but to the source0 E/clude this birth energy
and see if anything can be done by anyone0 %e" li!it this li!itless energy
to the si!$le $heno!enon which is one body0 Intently e/a!ine the
words+ if !y conscious $resence is not there" what will I be' I enjoy the
words that co!e u$ s$ontaneously and watch how true and
unconditional they are0
7 !urderer is loose? he has co!!itted !any !urders and the
international $olice are after hi! but unable to catch hi!0 That is like
the traditional scri$tures not being able to locate or find the 7bsolute0 It is
beyond the gras$ of the @edas" Puranas" etc0" because it is not conce$tual0
This !urderer is &ery $roud to esca$e all the efforts of the $olice force? he
is so fearless that he sits where the $lans to catch hi! are discussed and
hence he cannot be caught0
E&eryone has to die" so die as your true nature0 %hy die as a body'
Ne&er forget your true nature0 It !ay not be acce$table to !any" but it
is a fact0 If you !ust ha&e an a!bition" ha&e the highest" so that at least
while dying" you will be the 7bsolute0 Decide that now" fir!ly" with
certainty and con&iction0
7 tiger is co!ing at you+ you know that when he attacks you" death is
certain0 So" why die like a coward' 7ttack hi! and !aybe he will run
away0 #ut if the tiger is $assing by" do not unnecessarily attack hi!5 2nly
when absolutely necessary" ju!$ on hi!0
6od is great and !aya is &ast" but what are you in the end' The !ental
!odifications take you away fro! the Self0 Nobody wants to en4uire
about the Self dee$ly and thoroughly? e&erybody en4uires on a su$erficial
le&el0
C0 My !ind does not stay 4uiet" it goes here and there0
M0E %ith all these ra!blings you will be entertained" but you will not
obtain knowledge0 This is all s$iritual entertain!ent" because the fac(
tual state of affairs is that what you are" you are" without !odifications0
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C The desires are there? they will kee$ on de!anding0
M+ Binally" what are you'
C0 I a! nothing? !ind" etc0" kee$s on going0
M0 Then why are you learning all this' C+
To ser&e the $eo$le0
M0 So !any great $eo$le ha&e rendered so !any great ser&ices" but
where are they now'
C+ So !any wa&es co!e and go0 I want to $ass !y ti!e by ha&ing no desires and
ser&ing others0
M0 Do what you like0 ,ain falls and renders ser&ice to the beings0 It
does not suffer while rendering ser&ices0 7ll the beings that co!e about
are sustained due to rain" are they ha$$y'
C0 They are all suffering0 I too do not ha&e $eace0 ow does Maharaj see us'
M0 I see e&eryone as I a!0 This being is the co!bination of the $arents0
7ll are engrossed in conce$ts" they enjoy the!0
C0 %hen la! one with !usic" etc0" it is all joy" but when la! in conflict" it is all
!isery0 So!eti!es I feel angry0 %hy'
M0 Mind and body and their actions and reactions is not !y subject0 I do
not deal with these $roble!s0 There are nu!erous other $eo$le who can
deal with such $roble!s0
C #ut al!ost all $eo$le are on the side of body(!ind0 2ne in one !illion is o$en to
you0
M+ 7sk about yourself" do not bother about others0
C0 2n one side I feel attracted towards silence and yet I feel that !illions suffer and
Sages do not do anything about the!0
M0 #ecause their suffering is illusory0
C+ I know that there are four states" waking" drea!ing" dee$ slee$" and a state
beyond all three0 I can understand intellectually" but still suffering is there0
M0 6et rid of all the four states and also rid the $eo$le of their suffering0
Het the illusory world take care of itself" you !ust find out who you are0
C0 I want to $ractice Naturo$athy and teach others and learn wisdo! !yself0
M0 #y de&elo$ing these conce$ts you will not co!e out of it at all0 Birst
understand what is circu!stantial and what is real0 *ou are the $roduct of
the conce$ts of your $arents" are you not'
C0 *es" at a conce$tual le&el0
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M0 Mind and all the conce$ts are due to your $ri!ary conce$t 3I 7!03
*our $arents and you are si!ultaneous conce$ts0 Now" without trying to
e/$erience" what e/$erience are you ha&ing'
C0 I 7!0
M+ Is it not a conce$t' There are conce$ts for!ed fro! conce$ts" it is a
&ast world of conce$ts0
C0 I would like to be free fro! the!0
M0 This is to be realiAed by one.s self? it is not to be $assed on by word of
!outh0 %ho is obtaining the Self(knowledge directly' %hen did I ha$(
$en to be' I !ust know about it !yself" first(hand" not fro! others0
*ou are" you know you are ( this is the great Hord" the sudden" e/(
$losi&e effulgence0 Surrender to it" and you will know all0 It is without
for! or na!e0 It is to be abided in by fir! con&iction0
*ou could not see and judge the 4uality of light if you were not light
yourself0 *ou are that subtle knowledge" and if that is there" then only
e&erything else is $ossible0
Dece!ber F:" :;<=
Cuestioner+ %hen you beco!e one with e&erybody.s consciousness there is an e!o(
tional drain because you feel their sorrow and e&erything0 Is that a right state in
which to be'
Maharaj+ It is one of the $reli!inary stages" but it is e/cellent0 There is
still se$arateness but gradually it will ri$en into co!$lete oneness0
C0E I don.t feel any desire any!ore to stri&e for anything in the world0
M+ There is nothing wrong in that0 *our hunger and thirst for bliss or joy
is absolutely fulfilled and therefore you sto$ going after things0
C0 Is there still so!e indi&iduality left to continue one.s duties'
M0 That indi&iduality does not create any kind of discontent or fear0 It so
ha$$ens that there is no !e!ory at all of that indi&idual 3I"3 it goes on
acting on its own energy0 There is a !e!ory that this is the total
!anifestation but no !e!ory of an indi&idual acting0
C+ I feel that I a! one with consciousness but it wa&ers0
M+ *ou are not yet stabiliAed in consciousness? you are getting so!e
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gli!$ses0 #eing one with consciousness is going beyond these states of
waking and slee$ing0 *ou know the sky" you know the s$ace" but can you
beco!e one with the s$ace' Not yet" it is not $ossible0 %hen you beco!e
one with consciousness you beco!e one with s$ace0
C0 Is there so!ething which I can do to hel$ !e to grow" to $rogress'
M+ Consciousness does not undergo any $rogress0 E&en the s$ace can(
not ha&e any $rogress and the s$ace is nu!ber three0
2ne is the 7bsolute" two is consciousness" three is s$ace0 %here
there was no knowledge 3I 7!"3 that is nu!ber one? later on there is the
sense 3I 7!"3 that is nu!ber two? then there is s$ace ( nu!ber three0
Passing the e/a!ination of the 8$anishads" does it gi&e you knowledge of
the Self'
C0 No0 owe&er it does so!ething0
M0 In !y case" e&erything is s$ontaneous ( that is !y dhar!a0 If the
knowledgeable $eo$le co!e and tell !e I a! foolish" I will say" 3This
foolishness is !y richness" !y freedo!0 That knowingness which has
co!e o&er !e" that itself is foolishness03
*ou are a &ery gentle wo!an? if so!eone co!es and abuses you"
thinking you are a !an" you will get &ery angry at this !isunderstand(
ing0 To identify with anything" 3I a! like this"3 is abuse of your nature0
C0 ow to lose this identification with the body'
M0E Increase the con&iction that you are the for!less consciousness0
*ou de&elo$ your fir! con&iction that you are the total !anifestation"
uni&ersal consciousness0 There is nobody who can ha&e the knowledge of
the Truth" the Eternal0 It is one.s eternal true state" but it is not a
knowledgeable state(you cannot know It0 So(called knowledge is
boundless and $lenty in the state of attributes" 3I 7!03
In this body is the knowledge 3I 7!03 %hen the body dro$s down the
knowledge 3I 7!3 will subside there only ( what re!ains is the 7bsolute0
January :" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Does the uni&erse e/ist without !e'
Maharaja %hen you did not ha&e the consciousness were you concerned
with the world' The world will e/ist as long as consciousness is there0
Don.t get in&ol&ed in too !any 4uestions and answers0 Do !edita(
E/tending incense to $re$are the altar sur!ounted by a $icture of his own guru"
Maharaj brings a sense of e/$ectation and $iety into the holy gathering as the $rayer
ritual begins0
The thoughtful and $iercing eyes of Maharaj" which transfi/ed and ins$ired so !any
who ca!e to sit before hi!" do!inate his &isage in this arresting $hotogra$h taken during a
dialogue with su$$liants0
During a !o!ent of co!$lete attention to a 4uestioner" the great strength of
Mahahraj.s character is re&ealed by the strong lines of his features in this striking
$hotogra$h by 6ordon Paterson0
In this s!all" hu!ble roo! where Maharaj recei&ed de&otees fro! all o&er the world"
jean Dunn )center-" the editor of this &olu!e" who was his long(ti!e de&otee and
faithful recorder" joins other followers in de&otions0
This attenti&e gathering of s$iritual seekers" gathered to hear Maharaj i!$art wisdo!
and direction to their li&es" includes ,a!esh S0 #alsekar )left foreground-" considered
to be Maharaj.s !ost authentic inter$reter and author of Pointers fro! Nisargadatta
Maharaj? and 6ordon Paterson" the sensiti&e $hotogra$her of Maharaj )right
foreground-0
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birth dro$0 Bocus your attention on that and e&erything will be re&ealed to
you0 If you" as an entity" want to !ake an intellectual study of this subject"
don.t co!e to see !e0 ere it is you only? get in the test tube0
%hy do you get entangled in the branches and lea&es? why don.t you go
to the seed' %ithout the seed the tree would not be there0 Bind out where
the seed co!es fro!0 This is what I a! taking you back to again and
again0 %hate&er I ha&e to suffer" $hysical or otherwise" is due to
what' It begins with self(lo&e" the need to be $resent0 This con(
sciousness is the cause of all suffering0 This lo&e of being" lo&e of self"
lo&e of consciousness" is the nature of what' It is the nature of the seed" the
s$er!0 The consciousness was latent in that to which the na!e birth
is gi&en0 %here is the one who understands this'
a&ing got the s$iritual knowledge" why do you want to reduce it to
$en and $a$er'
Peo$le will hear what I say" but hardly anyone will $ut it into $rac(
tice0 I did not ha&e a long association with !y 6uru0 My 6uru !erely
told !e" 3*ou are not this" you are This03 That is all0 I acce$ted it with
such con&iction that the knowledge has flowered into what has co!e0
2ut of food essence" the taste 3I 7!03 The 7bsolute has no taste" no
color" no design0 *ou cannot be witnessed by you? only what is other
than you can be witnessed by you0
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Cuestioner+ 7fter death can I hel$ other $eo$le to reach the light'
Maharaj+ 7fter death you will not re!e!ber that you are0 *ou !ust
know what death is0 *ou are talking about e/istence after this life? do
you re!e!ber any $ast li&es'
CE I was on an island" hel$ing other $eo$le in !y last life0
M0 Do you re!e!ber your $arents'
C0 No0
M+ %hat is the $roof that you were born there'
C0 I don.t know0
M+ This is only i!agination" a $hantasy" a conce$t occurring to you0 If" at
the ti!e of death the consciousness entertains a &ery strong conce$t" the
consciousness can create that $articular conce$t0 Su$$ose that at the
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ti!e of death the $erson i!agines ha&ing a life so!ewhere ( the
consciousness will create a si!ilar situation0 The real! of consciousness
is not eternal0 The consciousness is a fraud0 7ll of these things are illusions
in the real! of consciousness0
C+ Consciousness is always !anifested" isn.t it'
M+ Consciousness will be there as long as a $article of s$ace will be
a&ailable0
C0 Is it hel$ful to go into seclusion to realiAe that'
M+ *es0
C+ To go out of the ordinary life'
M0 Not like that0 *ou need not go out of your fa!ily life0 C
%hat kind of seclusion'
M0 E&en a!ong this crowd be alone" abide in your own Self0 Bocus
your attention on your Self0
C+ Does it !atter if one does not understand intellectually but si!$ly has de&otion'
M+ If you ha&e that de&otion" knowledge will $roliferate out of it0 %hen it
is said that out of de&otion so!ebody !eets a 6od" it is not a
$ersonality 6od" but the de&otee hi!self $roliferates into the knowledge"
into $rofundity ( he beco!es 6odly0 That 6od will be so long as the
de&otee knows hi!self? when the de&otee subsides into nothingness" the
6od also subsides into nothingness0 *ou ha&e to co!e to the conclusion that
in the final analysis your balance sheet is nil0
2ut of the essence of the digested food in the body the 3I 7!ness3 is
there0 %hat you are $resently is the outco!e of this food !aterial0 If the
food isn.t a&ailable" where are you' %hat about all this $rofound knowl(
edge which you ha&e collected'
Don.t arrogate to yourself the doershi$ of anything ( it is all ha$$en(
ing0 If you are not" what is the need for all the disci$lines" including
6od' E&en if you are fully con&inced about this" you are reduced to
nothing? ne&ertheless" on the death bed you will take the last dro$ of
!edicine to sur&i&e0
This is real liberation+ to know that you are nothing0 7ll your
knowledge" including yourself" is li4uidated ( then you are liberated0
If you think that you ha&e done so!e great deed" then you will be
$lanning to go to hea&en" you are obsessed by conce$ts" you are not
liberated0 This knowledge is fit for that one who has de&otion to the
6uru? only that $erson is fit to recei&e this knowledge0
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C+ 7lthough we ha&e been listening to these talks for !any years" we ne&er feel
e/hausted0
M+ There is that fascination to listen to this again and again0 *ou are
not collecting words and storing the!" you are getting the i!$act of the
words and then letting the! go0
January :=" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Does consciousness work through the !ind'
Maharaja E&erything takes $lace in consciousness0 I ha&e long ago
gi&en u$ !y inde$endent identity" there is no 4uestion of an inde$endent
entity" e&erything is an a$$earance in consciousness only0
7s in any $iece of cloth the !ain ele!ent is the thread" so in any
a$$earance the essence is the consciousness0 This !ust be dee$ly
a$$ercei&ed and this cannot ha$$en as long as there is identification with
the body0 7s long as identification is there you will think of benefiting
only this $seudo($ersonality0
The whole uni&erse is ali&e as long as you ha&e this consciousness"
once gone fro! you" nothing is there0 8nderstand" there is a difference
between so!eone who s$eaks fro! book learning and so!eone who
s$eaks fro! e/$erience0
7l 0 nanA identifies with the uni&ersal consciousness and so there is a
$erfect ada$tation to e&erything and e&ery $lace0 2nly witnessing is
taking $lace0 This $sychoso!atic a$$aratus is there both for the jnani
and the ignorant" but the ignorant one who identifies with the body" is
ha$$y or unha$$y" as the situation changes0 The jnani only witnesses" he is
not indi&idually concerned with what ha$$ens0
I re$eat again and again" $lease listen? understand what it is because of
which we feel ali&e" understand the nature of it" understand the taste of it"
then the body identification will go0
This 7t!an Pre! )Self lo&e-" this beingness" has co!e about with no
effort on your $art0 %hat is its nature" its taste" what is it' That you
!ust find out0
Bi/ your identity fir!ly in this beingness" do not gi&e it li!bs" sha$e or
for!" for once you gi&e it for! you ha&e li!ited it0
8nderstand this energy which is behind the entire !anifestation of
the uni&erse0
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*ou ask !any 4uestions" you look for the answers in books and
words" not in intuiti&e e/$erience0 This is not knowledge0 1nowledge
s$rings fro! the consciousness without effort" of its own accord0
@arious na!es ha&e been gi&en to this energy which is the source of all
!anifestation0 Peo$le $ray to these na!es and for!s" they do not $ray
to that beingness" that substance" which these na!es re$resent0 Pray to
that beingness only0
7s there is no se$arateness between two genuine friends" as a genu(
ine friend knows the needs of the other without s$eaking" who cares for
hi! and does it s$ontaneously" so you should de&elo$ such a dee$
friendshi$ with that substance" not in the attitude of $raying for fa&ors"
but as a friend seeking a friend0 #e one with the knowledge 3I 7!"3 the
source of sentience" the beingness itself0
Peo$le think and talk about e&erything else e/ce$t this basic thing
which I ha&e told the!0 They are interested in scientific !iracles" they
!ake science a 6od" they concern the!sel&es with these sha$es which are
already !anifest0 They are not interested in the original !iracle" this
body and its life force0
%e ignore this !iracle0 If there is no consciousness there is no 6od0
The e/istence and essence of 6od are both in this consciousness" and
therefore in this body0
ow did these te!$les and churches co!e about' #ecause of the
ins$iration of the consciousness within the body0 The consciousness is the
seed of #rah!an" 6od" of e&erything" e&ents only ha$$en and !anifest
when consciousness is there" and in the body is the consciousness0
Nothing I say will benefit you in this world" I only tell you what you
are0 If you are seeking that kind of $eace which is $riceless" it can only be in
establishing yourself in the consciousness with steadfast con&iction0 #y
con&iction I !ean ne&er doubted" fir!" unshakeable" ne&er wa&ering ( ha&e
that kind of con&iction in your beingness0 Think of nothing else" $ray to
nothing else0 7t!an Pre!" because of it e&erything is0
7t the !o!ent of what is called death" what ha$$ens' 7ll it !eans is that
a s$eck of consciousness is gi&en u$0 This s$eck is gi&en u$ to a conce$t
you ha&e acce$ted as ti!e" you reluctantly hand it o&er to ti!e0 The
jnani gi&es it u$ to his own true nature0
This 7t!an ,e!" this e/istence which we ha&e $rotected for so !any
years" to who! shall we gi&e it u$' If ignorant" to our conce$t of ti!e0 If
ignorant bhakti )de&otee-" to a conce$t of 6od0 If jnani" to his own true
nature0
%hate&er you think you ha&e got as an identity" ha&e you ac4uired it by
effort or intention' Is there anything you ha&e really got' No0 This
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body" this consciousness" has co!e s$ontaneously" so slee$ co!es when it
likes" e&en waking and slee$ are not in your control0 %hat is yours' %ho
has this knowledge of the Self by his own effort'
This $seudo entity thinks that it is he who is acti&e and doing0 I a!
talking to you now as consciousness0 Can any one of you gi&e !e an
indication of that knowledge" that beingness that you are'
C0 Consciousness thanks consciousness o&er and o&er again0
M0 That about which nothing can be said" I ha&e said0 7cce$t that
dro$" taste it and swallow it0
ear this+ 6od can only e/ist in the heart of !an" not elsewhere0
*ou identify with the body and li!it yourself" and yet" re!e!ber" do not
neglect this body" this is the house of 6od" take care of it0 2nly in this body
can 6od be realiAed0
It is only for an analytic understanding that 6od" your body" your
Self" ha&e been di&ided" but it is one Self" each is inti!ately related0
January :;" :;<:
Maharaja This sense of $resence" is it not the !ost acce$table thing" as far
as you are concerned ( do you not lo&e it the !ost'
%hy are you sitting here' *ou are sitting here for yourself" because
you want so!ething for yourself0 %hat is it that you are' 6o into that0
*ou ha&e no doubt that you are $resent" so what is it that !akes you
want to continue all the ti!e'
7eons of ti!e ha&e co!e and gone0 During this ti!e !illions of
for!s ha&e been created and destroyed0 Do they ha&e a sense of being
$resent' 7re they worried about the!sel&es' There is nothing you can do
without this sense of $resence and there is nothing you can do to con(
tinue it0
Cuestioner+ %hy does it lo&e to continue'
M0 That is its nature0 Consciousness and lo&e are the sa!e thing0 7sk
yourself" what is it that you want" what are you after' *ou consider
yourself an entity and want so!ething0 If consciousness were not there
would you need anything'
%hat you hear is totally different fro! what you e/$ected to hear0
C0 7! I to identify !yself with consciousness'
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M0 %hat is this 3you3 other than consciousness' 7re they two' There is no
entity who can do anything in the world? there is no entity who can do
any s$iritual search0 If there is no entity there is no bondage and no
liberation0 Just understand this+ there is nothing to be done0 %hate&er I
a! telling you" hear it and discard it0 #efore you ac4uired this body and
had this sense of $resence" tell !e what had you done' 7fter this sense of
$resence" the knowledge 3I 7!"3 then you ha&e been shown a sort of T@ f
il!+ 3This is your fa!ily" these are your $arents03 Do you $ersonally
ha&e any e/$erience of any of this'
8nderstand what has been created and will be destroyed?
understand what you are that cannot suffer anything0
I ha&e co!e to the conclusion that consciousness and whate&er a$(
$ears in consciousness is nothing but a gigantic fraud0 There is no one
who has co!!itted this fraud ( it is a s$ontaneous ha$$ening0 There is no
$er$etrator of this fraud0
This s$eck of consciousness creates 6ods of !ud and earth which"
ha&ing been acce$ted" gi&e us whate&er we $ray for0 a&ing understood
this fraud" also understand that there is nothing that can be done about it"
therefore all that can ha$$en is for the understanding to take $lace0
This body and the taste of the body ( that is the understanding0 Is
not the body the essence of food and is not consciousness the nature of the
essence of food' There is a &ery si!$le 4uestion one !ust kee$ in !ind?
what authority or control do I ha&e o&er !y own e/istence' Therefore
what can one do by one.s own efforts'
8nderstand that the total !anifestation is the child of a barren
wo!an" but" ha&ing understood it" gi&e full attention to your work and
let that work be done as efficiently as $ossible0 Take good care of this
work that you do in the world because it is an or$han0
January D=" :;<:
M a h a r a j + The 7bsolute is 000 to gi&e you an idea" there is a $lace in In(
dia where you ha&e ne&er been? if a descri$tion were gi&en it would still
re!ain a descri$tion for you0 The uni&ersal consciousness" the being(
ness" is anything that is seen0 %hen the uni&ersal consciousness !ani(
fests itself as a $heno!enon" the $heno!enon is that li!ited for! which
thinks that it is inde$endent but is not0 The $heno!enon is the !anifes(
tation of consciousness? when it is not !anifested it is i!!anent in
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e&erything0 If you think you ha&e understood" it is not so0 7nything that
you know is not the truth0
The body is !ade u$ of the fi&e ele!ents and each body beha&es ac(
cording to the $ro$ortion of the co!bination of the fi&e ele!ents0 So long
as one is identified with the essence of the fi&e ele!ents it is i!$ossible to
understand" because that which is trying to understand is a $seudo entity0
The biggest drawback to understanding is the conce$t that I a! an entity
and" secondly" that any conce$t I ha&e is the truth0
It is only when it is understood with the greatest con&iction that there is
no entity" and what is ha$$ening is !erely the $rogra! of the func(
tioning of consciousness ( there is !erely the functioning" there is no
entity who is causing it and there is no entity who is suffering ( only then
can the disidentification take $lace0 2therwise all kinds of
!isconce$tions occur0
*ou ha&e not understood until you ha&e sol&ed the riddle of the one
who thinks he has understood0
Do I identify !yself with the dirt which I blow fro! !y nose' The
stuff of which this body has been created" is it any different'
I a! neither the !aterial fro! which the body has been created nor
the consciousness which is i!!anent in that !aterial0
January DK" :;<:
Maharaj+ %here are you fro! and who directed you here'
Cuestioner+ I ha&e been studying in a !onastery in Thailand and the 7bbot
suggested I read the books of Maharaj.s teachings0 %hen I decided to co!e to India
se&eral friends" who had been to see Maharaj" told !e to co!e here0
M0E Do you ha&e 4uestions'
C0 %ill Maharaj e/$lain what is the !ethod of $ractice he reco!!ends'
Mf + There is no $ractice or disci$line to be followed0 Merely listen to !e
and acce$t what I tell you with fir! con&iction0
C+ %hat about the i!$ortance of !editation'
M+ The only thing which anyone has is the con&iction that one e/ists"
the conscious $resence0 Meditation is only on that sense of $resence"
nothing else0
C0 During the !editation $eriod one just sits and thinks of one.s $resence0
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M0 Not as an indi&idual sitting" but the sense of $resence without
words0 Meditate on that which knows you are sitting here0 *our feeling
that your body is here is identification with the body" but that which
knows that this body is sitting here is the e/$ression of the 7bsolute0
C0 Is this known with the !ind'
M0E Mind is the nature of the !aterial? you are not the !aterial" you are
that which understands the !aterial0 That sense of $resence will e/$lain
anything that is necessary for you to understand0 *our effort will not do it"
but that sense of $resence" with which you beco!e one" will do it0
C0 Should I de&elo$ this sense of $resence throughout the day" in all !y acti&ities'
M0 It is not necessary for you to concentrate on it" it is always there0
%hate&er you do" the essence of it is the body(!ind0 Het the body(!ind do
its work but understand that what is doing the work is not you" you are the
sense of $resence0
%hate&er efforts you !ake" either $hysically or intellectually" will be
essentially the effort of the body(!ind0 There is nothing for you to do0
%hate&er ha$$ens will ha$$en by itself" with your con&iction that you are
totally a$art fro! body and !ind0
C0 That sounds easy" but it !ust be &ery hard0
M0 %hate&er you think" easy or hard" you stick to one con&iction" that you
are that sense of $resence and not the body(!ind0 That which you are has
no sha$e or color0
C0 Does that sense of $resence continue after the body and !ind go'
M+ %hen the body goes that sense of $resence will go and
consciousness will no longer be conscious of itself0
C+ %hen the body goes" e&erything goes'
M0 Correct0 There is no e/$erience of either ha$$iness or unha$$iness"
there is no need of e/$erience either0
C0 Is there nothing that continues ( nothing'
M0 *ou are thinking at a conce$tual le&el0 7t that le&el" who is there
who wants to know' Borget about That state0
C0 I would like to understand That0
M0 %hate&er can be understood or $ercei&ed can ne&er be the eternal
Truth0 The 8nknown is the Truth0
I ha&e no need of any e/$erience" therefore I ha&e no need to 4uarrel
with anybody0 The body and !ind will go on doing whate&er they like
during their natural course of duration0
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C0 Is it better to do one thing than another' Bor instance" with this !ind and body :
could just sit and do nothing" or I could go around hel$ing $eo$le" doing gooa
things0 %hich would be better to do'
M0 The body and !ind will do whate&er is natural for that co!bination0 C+
*ou can control things (for e/a!$le you can eat too !uch or drink too !uch" things
like that ( or else you can do good things" hel$ing $eo$le" etc0
M0 These are the do.s and don.ts regarding the body(!ind" which you
are not? that is the $re!ise fro! where you ha&e started0 8nderstand
that when there is no body" consciousness is not conscious of itself0 So
long as the body is there" the body !ust do its natural functioning0
C0 Then I just let it do what.s natural'
M0 There is no 4uestion of your allowing it to ha$$en" it will ha$$en"
you ha&e no control o&er it0
C0 #ut so!e things I can control0 If I co!e here or I stay outside ( I(can control
that0
M0 That is a !isconce$tion0 %hate&er ha$$ens" ha$$ens by itself0 7ll
this is the show" or the e/$ression" of consciousness ( the nature of it is
change0 It is the dance of the conscious $resence0 There are so !any
ways in which consciousness entertains itself" !any different for!s"
abilities" ca$acities are functioning" but the functioning is !erely to
entertain itself0 %hen it is tired" it rests in slee$" when awake it needs
so!e kind of entertain!ent" so!e !o&e!ent" so!e doing0
They are all a$$earances in consciousness? each will last according to
its own duration" but basically" nothing that ha$$ens has any &alidity or
i!$ortance0 8ntil the awakening" or understanding" you think that you
are the doer" but once this a$$erce$tion takes $lace you know there
is no entity that is working0
C0 I just think it would be best to do good things instead of bad things0
M+ %hat do you !ean by good and bad things' 6ood things in one set of
circu!stances can be bad things in another set of circu!stances0 E&en the
things you consider good can be so only as long as the body lasts0 2nly a
rare one will realiAe there is nothing to do (he is already That0
C+ Maharaj is hel$ing us" is that a &olitional state'
M0 It is $art of the total functioning0 %hat is taking $lace is sort of a0
drea! state and whate&er ha$$ens will be $art of the drea!0 %hate&er
ha$$ens out of !e" either s$iritual or worldly" will not !ulti$ly into !ind
!odifications" because any actions are uni&ersal and s$iritual0 The
s$irituality is $erfect because of stabiliAation in the 8nknown0
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Many ti!es the witnessing of $hysical $ain ha$$ens to !e" because the
body and the consciousness are still there" an instru!ent to register
$leasure and $ain? because of !y health the $ain is registered !ore0 I
was witnessing that $ain earlier" but since you ha&e co!e it is gone0
%hen you are established in consciousness it is full of joy only0 I was
established in that consciousness and full of joy" but suddenly the disease has
a$$eared and the $ain has co!e0 So long as you are established in
consciousness and do not ha&e any $hysical disorder" you will not ha&e
any e/$erience of $ain0 That is the 4uality of that consciousness itself0
*ou are $rior to the consciousness0 In that state there is no $leasure
or $ain0
The association of the body and consciousness is so!ething like this+
you are a bachelor and you are ha&ing a ha$$y free life? with the associa(
tion with a wife" the $leasure and $ain results begin0 It is just like that0
C0 ow can I ac4uire that state'
M0 It always $re&ails but It is beyond knowing0 That state cannot be
elucidated" these are !erely $ointers" 3There It is3 ( words cannot enter
that state0
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Bebruary :" :;<:
Cuestioner+. Maharaj says that the world e/ists only when the consciousness arises in
!e" Does at !ean that the world e/ists only so long as the consciousness e/ists" as
far as I a! concerned'
Maharaja The world e/ists so long as this sense of $resence is there0 The
sense of $resence is in consciousness ( not !y consciousness or your con(
sciousness but uni&ersal consciousness0 The total !anifestation of the
uni&erse de$ends u$on this sense of $resence" the general sense of $res(
ence0 %hen this sense of $resence disa$$ears" where is your uni&erse'
2ther than the three states+ waking" slee$ and 3I 7!ness"3 I ha&e no
e/$erience" but neither can I gi&e u$ these three states0 I a! loaded with
the!" I cannot get rid of the!0 They ha&e co!e without !y knowledge0
Nobody asked !e if I wanted these three states0
I do not consider any of you to be different fro! !e? at the sa!e
ti!e" as far as I a! concerned" I ha&e wi$ed out the total e/istence and
therefore" since there is no indi&iduality" there are no bindings on the
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :=J
words that co!e out of !e0 %ith the gi&ing u$ of indi&iduality" all the
$oses go ( that one is a sannyasi" a jnani" or so!ething else0 7long with a
$ose are restrictions" 3I a! so and so" I !ust not say such and such03 The
whole thing is an illusion" !erely entertain!ent0
Consider fro! your own e/$erience" is there anything constant'
E&en your own i!age of yourself is always changing0
My own e/$erience is that nothing has really ha$$ened in this
world0 The seeker" the seeking and the sought ( none of these three is
true0 Nothing is ha$$ening ( e&erything that goes on in the world is a
fraud0 %hen will you co!e to an understanding or to $eace' 2nly when
you understand this fact and understand the s$iritual truth" only then
will $eace descend0
C+ %hat is the ulti!ate truth'
M0 *ou0 *ou can get as frustrated and angry as you like" it does not dis(
turb !e at all0 My state is unchanging0
C0 7re !y e/$eriences in !editation the truth'
M0 7ll e/$eriences are in ti!e" ti!e(bound0 Truth is not ti!e(bound0
Bebruary D" :;<:
Cuestioner+ ow can I !ake the surrender to the 6uru $er!anent'
Maharaj+ a&e you not been told that there is nothing $er!anent in this
world' That is the search itself ( what a! I when this te!$orary state is
gone and before it ca!e'
*ou ha&e a clock which is !ade to last for :== years0 7t the end of
that :== years the clock sto$s ( it has ser&ed its $ur$ose0 %hen the clock of
the body sto$s" the sa!e thing has ha$$ened ( that body has ser&ed the
$ur$ose of consciousness0
C+ Total surrender !eans two" so!ething joining" one surrendering to another0
M0 During that te!$orary state in consciousness" e&erything is correct0
%hate&er the $lot of the story" it is correct" but the story is fiction0
%hat I a! telling you is absolutely o$en ( an o$en secret0 There is
nothing that I kee$ hidden fro! you0 Try and understand0 It is !erely a
4uestion of understanding0
C 6uru.s grace is always there0
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M+ 6uru is not an indi&idual0 *ou are thinking in ter!s of a for!0 The
consciousness is all $er&ading0 *ou find out what is this 3you3 that is
seeking grace0 In that body the 3I 7!3 is ticking ( that is the 6uru0 *ou
worshi$ that 3I 7!3 $rinci$le and surrender to that 6uru and that 6uru
will gi&e you all the grace0
In consciousness there can e/ist nothing without its interrelated
counter$art0 The !o!ent you say knowledge" knowledge can only be in
ignorance" so this knowledge one has about 6uru is also ignorance0
%hen will the knowledge be 6uru' %hen that knowledge and the
ignorance both disa$$ear into &ynana0 Jnana is knowledge" ajnana is
ignorance" both disa$$ear into &ynana0
C+ I a! caught in that $rocess of watching the body(!ind0
M+ Drea! occurs in objecti&e" !aterial" !anifestation" in the
consciousness0 It is not you" it is so!ething other(objecti&e" !aterial0
%hat you call 3I 7!3 and birth" you are not that" it is !aterial0 Su$$ose
that there is a Musli! boy that I ha&e ado$ted? I ha&e not sired that boy" but
I now clai! hi! as 3!y3 boy0 Hike that" this 3I 7!ness3 is not directly !e" it
is so!ething other" so!ething !aterial" so!ething Musli!" I a! not that0
I" the 7bsolute" ha&e nothing to do with that0
Peo$le are so!eti!es confused because they e/$ect an answer which is
based on their conce$ts0 *ou ask so!eone to bring you a s$oon" and
instead he brings you a needle0 #oth are words" both are knowledge" but
that is not what you want0 %hat you will recei&e is the true knowledge"
e&en if what you are asking for is not the true knowledge0
C+ I !ust reach that le&el to be able to understand0
M0 There are !illions of grains" !ade into !illions of for!s" but the
seed is only one0 7ll these !illions of for!s are because of so!e $ar(
ticular seed" but I a! not that seed0
The 8lti!ate knowledge does not ha&e any knowledge0 This
knowledge 3I 7!3 has a$$eared s$ontaneously" as a result of the body0
See it as it is" understand it as it is0
%hen the waking state is gone" slee$ begins" when slee$ is gone" the
waking state begins0 %hen both are gone" I a! at ho!e0 %hy did they
lea&e !e' #ecause it was all foreign" it was not !e0
Take this ad&ice+ better not to be tra$$ed in the s$iritual knowledge
business? ha&e a nice ti!e" a good life" be of ser&ice to others" and in due
course" when the ti!e is ri$e" you will die0
C+ %ithout your ad&ice" !illions of $eo$le area tready following your ad&ice0
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Bebruary F" :;<:
Maharaj+ The knowledge that I a! e/$ounding will dissol&e your iden(
tity as a $ersonality and will transfor! you into !anifest knowledge0 The
!anifest knowledge" the consciousness" is free and unconditioned0
It is not $ossible to either catch hold of or gi&e u$ that knowledge
because you are that knowledge" subtler than s$ace0
This knowledge that you are the !anifest !ust be o$ened through
!editation? you do not get it by listening to words0
Is not this consciousness $rior to any other e/$erience and is there
not so!ething on which this consciousness has co!e about' That wak(
ing state" dee$ slee$ and the sense of $resence" who has these e/(
$eriences other than That which was $rior to these e/$eriences'
That which is talking to you is that state which is ti!e(bound" which
has co!e te!$orarily u$on !y original state0 Therefore you and I can
ha&e no sense of fear? it is only this changing state which has identified
with the body which has fear0
The fear of death is the fine for acce$ting the identity of the body as a
se$arate entity in the total functioning0 It is only birth which fears death0
Presence and absence are interrelated dualities" this was understood
only after the sense of $resence arose" earlier there was no sense of either
absence or $resence0
Cuestioner+ %hat if we understand only intellectually and we ha&e not yet realiAed'
M+ The big ad&antage of e&en intellectually understanding is that you
will not be bound by fear of death0 #irth did not gi&e you anything and
death can take nothing fro! you0
7ccording to the world I ha&e this terrible disease? I kee$ on talking
e/actly as I talked earlier" it has no effect on !e0 2nly that which has
taken birth will disa$$ear" how a! I affected'
*ou are fortunate to hear what I say0 Histen" but do not !ake any
effort to understand it" because only your intellect can try to understand
and intellect does not reach That0 %hat you ha&e heard will ha&e its
own results? do not interfere0
E&en if you ha&e certain e!otions of fear" etc0" understand that they
are of that che!ical of which the body and !ind are !ade0 *ou ha&e
nothing to do with that te!$orary state0
In the na!e of s$irituality !any $eo$le co!!it a lot of atrocities on the
body" thinking they will get su$erior knowledge0 Bro! where and
what' %hat are they going to gain'
This knowledge is ( $ro&ided I a!0
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Bebruary :K" :;<:
Maharaj+ I a! neither a 6uru nor a disci$le0 This is all the $lay of the f
i&e ele!ents0 #ody is just a biological de&elo$!ent" a &egetation
growth" and we take $ride in it" asserting that I a! so!ebody0 #ut this is
just a natural growth" just like $lants0
Cuestioner+ Is the e/$eriencer eternal'
M0( If the e/$eriencer had been eternal he would ha&e not !ade
en4uiries" asking what is this" what is that0 ad he been eternal he would
already ha&e had all the knowledge of this objecti&e world0
C0 ow can we find the way that is !eant for us'
M0 If your urge to realiAe the Self is &ery intense" your urge and the
consciousness will direct you in the correct course0
C0 So!eti!es when I understand" so!ething ha$$ens to !e0 I either get tense or I
begin shaking in !y head or neck and so!eti!es there are noises going on in !y
head0 I don.t understand it0 Should I ignore it or what'
M0 Just ignore it0 Those are good signs0
C0 Physical sickness is there so!eti!es0
M0 It is not sickness" it is the e/$ression of the fi&e ele!ental body0
C0 Can one realiAe through na!a(!antra'
M+ So !any sages ha&e de&elo$ed into the highest state only through
na!a(!antra0 %hate&er you recite should !erge into you" $rior to !ind0
C+ So!e $eo$le tell about 6urus gi&ing $ower and energy0
M0 It is $ossible0 I ha&e deliberated only on !y Self0
C+ Trances" &isions" sa!adhi ( did Maharaj go through all those e/$eriences'
M0 7ny nu!ber of the!0 I did not take deli&ery of all those e/$eriences0
C0 %hy do so!e $eo$le go through it and others don.t'
M0 The design of each seeker is different0 7ccording to the seeker.s 4ual(
ity" he will encounter e/$eriences0 There ha&e been so !any Self(realiAed
Sages" but each one.s e/$erience has been different because the 4ualities
ha&e been different0 The e/$eriences of ,a!a and 1rishna were
different0 7ny jnani discards the e/$eriences? he does not get associated
with the!0 e does not Hang on to the! or try to in&oke the! again0
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Bebruary :<" :;<:
Cuestioner+ This identity with a body" as an entity" is $resent0 Could anyone" at any
stage" ha&e done anything which could ha&e $re&ented this identification'
Maharaj+ It is the nature of this beingness to associate itself with a
for!0 ow can an i!agined entity se$arate itself'
C+ Is this wanting to be se$arate also natural" a $art of nature'
M0 *es0 It is all $art of natural functioning ( $art of the show0 The entire
thing is a conce$t0 7ll that can be done is to understand0
Hook at the a$$arent contradiction+ !y own for! is suffering" when
that is known !ore $eo$le co!e here" !ore $eo$le recei&e ad&antages0
Those ad&antages ha$$en auto!atically" s$ontaneously ( I a! not
working for those ad&antages which you get0
The talking which I do" and your listening" is $art of the total func(
tioning0 *ou consider it as one indi&idual listening to another in(
di&idual" that is not so0 %hat you hear is uni&ersal consciousness0 This
knowledge is not to be con&eyed to a hu!an being who is a s$iritual in(
fant0 The hu!an being is trying to collect benefits for an indi&idual0
%hen this identification is gi&en u$" the rece$ti&ity for the talks will be
created0 Bro! an enor!ous tank of water you di$ a tiny tu!bler full and
say" 3This is !e03
%hate&er status and achie&e!ents one has attained will re!ain only so
long as the na!e and for! re!ain? once they ha&e gone where is the entity
who thinks he has achie&ed so!ething' If this is dee$ly a$$ercei&ed how can
anything in the world bother you'
%hat I a! talking about is this original conce$t" the consciousness"
before which there was nothing0 %hate&er is in this original conce$t will
re!ain only so long as the consciousness is there (( then we go back to our
original nature0 %hen consciousness e/$oses itself to you and shows you
your true nature" then you will ha&e no for!0 %ithout a for! can there
be an i!age'
The entire !anifestation is a hallucination" the nature of which is to be
inconstant0
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Cuestioner+ %hat should I do during the day' %hat kinds of thoughts or actions
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should I ha&e in order to find out !y true nature and ha&e Peace of !ind'
Maharaja 7ny thoughts or actions will be based on body(!ind identity and
in order to see your true nature there !ust be abandon!ent of this identity
with the $heno!enal center0 This cannot co!e by any &olitional action (
it ha$$ens without any s$ecial efforts0 There is no 4uestion of doing
anything because there is no one to do anything0
The !ind can only work with so!e na!e or for! or i!age0 If you
gi&e this u$" the !ind will be hel$less0 %hat I a! saying about your true
nature ig so si!$le that the !ind cannot gras$ it0
%hat is has always been there0 6i&e u$ conce$tualiAing and what is
re!ains0 Peo$le will sto$ only at seeing the !anifest0 %ho will go behind
the !anifest and see that the !anifest and un!anifest are not two ( they
are one'
The !anifest is seen as light" the un!anifest as dark" but what is is the
sa!e thing(That which $ercei&es both0
Bor the one who has abandoned the identification it is si!$le0 %ords can
only $oint at so!ething0 That which is is neither like !e or like you" it is
not e&en aware of what it is0 2nly when consciousness is conscious of
itself can there be knowledge of anything0 It is $rior to any knowl(
edge0 It is &ery si!$le0 Peo$le who are considered to be &ery learned
co!e here" how do I see the!' I see the! as being in total ignorance0
C %hy is there a fear of darkness'
M+ *our 4uestion is totally irrele&ant0 6o to the source without which
neither light or darkness could be cogniAed0 %hat is the use of talking
about what is objecti&e when I ha&e told you to go to the subject'
C0 I consider !yself to be good or bad at different ti!es0
M0E This can only be with identification with the body? abandon this0
Bro! now on I will only say what the $osition is" thereafter you !ust
$ercei&e0 I ha&e no $hysical resources for a dialogue0 %hate&er you
hear cannot and will not go to waste0
Bebruary DF" :;<:
Maharaj+ If you ha&e really understood the core of the !atter no 4ues(
tions can arise0 Cuestions arise only to an entity0 The 4uestion is
usually ( 3%hat can I do'30 %here the 3I3 itself is not" who will want to
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know anything' E&ery !anifestation is an a$$earance in consciousness"
$ercei&ed and cogniAed by consciousness0 There is only !anifestation
functioning and $ercei&ing0
Cuestioner+ My !ind is too agitated for consciousness to be in consciousness0
M0 *ou ha&e not been listening carefully to what I ha&e said0 The
words ha&e not reached you0 I ha&e told you that consciousness is always
there and anything that ha$$ens is in consciousness" so let con(
sciousness re!ain in consciousness0
%hy do you" considering yourself as a se$arate entity" try to !eddle in
it' 7ll that is is consciousness0
C0 Can I ask about the !eaning of suffering'
M+ Now you are de&elo$ing a new conce$t ( that there is so!ething
!eaningful or $rofound behind suffering0 This conce$t itself is going to
strangulate you0 7ny conce$t eru$ting out of you ( how can it gi&e you
knowledge' *ou !ust get rid of all conce$ts0 *ou are the &ery basis" the
foundation" out of which conce$ts eru$t0 *ou are not the conce$ts" you are
$rior to conce$ts0 *ou !ust be fir!ly con&inced about this0
C0 Do I su$$ress the conce$ts'
M0 Hea&e the! alone0 *ou watch the conce$ts eru$ting and disa$$earing0
*ou are a$art fro! conce$ts" do not identify with the!0
C0 I don.t ha&e the ability to do that0
M0 If you are not" where are the conce$ts' %here is the 4uestion of
ignorance or knowledge if you are not there' That $ri!ary conce$t 3I 7!3
hangs on to the body as its identity" hence all the trouble0 %ill you e&er
co!e to the conclusion that you are not the conce$t'
Bebruary D<" :;<:
Maharaja %hen the body was for!ed you did not bring any infor!a(
tion with you0 Hater on you( collected infor!ation e/ternally" and on
that basis you are full of $ride and conduct your dealings0 Did you bring
any infor!ation with you" right fro! the beginning'
Cuestioner+ No" I had no infor!ation0
M+ If you had no infor!ation" who is the custo!er for all this now' *ou
ha&e the $ri!ary infor!ation that you are which s$routed s$ontaneously
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in you ( that was your $ri!ary ca$ital and all this further !ischief is
because of that $ri!ary infor!ation0 Is it not so'
C0 That is true" yes0
M0 Do you understand what it is" to ha&e your own being" to be'
C0 I do not clearly understand0
M0 It is not to be understood through words0 %hate&er knowledge you
deri&e out of words is ignorance only0 To be is not to be understood" it is0
C0 It is just a feeling0
M0 %ho knows the consciousness'
C0E Consciousness knows itself
M+ Consciousness understanding consciousness ( by this !ethod you
will not ha&e e!anci$ation0 *ou ha&e torask yourself" 3%ho knows this
beingness'3 If I know that I a!" at a $articular $oint" then it !eans that
$rior to that $oint I did not know that I a!0 That which was not aware of
Its e/istence beca!e aware of Its e/istence when the consciousness
ca!e" and this consciousness is only the nature of the $hysical body ( it is
!ade of !aterial and is therefore te!$orary0
C0 There is no knowledge in the 7bsolute'
M+ 7ll knowledge is only in the gras$ of the fi&e senses and words0 Su$(
$ose these three" the waking state" dee$ slee$" and the knowledge 3I 7!3
are not there ( what are you'
C0 Just knowingness" consciousness'
M0 Is this knowingness" consciousness" in your association continuously"
fore&er'
C0 No0
M0 Then gi&e it u$0 %hy do you lean on that which will not be in your
association eternally'
7ll our scri$tures say that only the Parabrah!an is the truth" nothing else
is" and you are That eternally0
C0 %hy did I se$arate !yself fro! That'
M+ %hen nothing else but That $re&ails" how can you be se$arate fro!
It'
C0 There is a $oe! written by Jnanaswara to that :>== year old Sage? one line
says" 3The &ision of knowledge beco!es weaker and weaker0 3 %hat is the !eaning
of that'
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M+ The &ision of consciousness will also dro$ off in the ulti!ate analy(
sis" because knowledge and ignorance are in the real! of consciousness0
C0 I do not want to let go of a single word ofyours0
M0E ow long are you going to hang on to words and the !eaning of
words' ow long'
C0 They are useful so long as the 3I 7!3 is there0
M0E This 3I 7!3 is a conce$t also" is it not' 7nd you want to hang on to
this conce$t also0 This 3I 7!ness3 is not going to re!ain in your association"
and when it goes" e&erything relating to that 3I 7!ness3 goes0 %hen
this is the state of affairs" what is the use of trying to gain or assi!ilate
knowledge'
%ords are not e/actly a$$licable? I ha&e seen e/actly how I a! not0 In
the absence of 3I 7!"3 what that state is" I ha&e seen" or a! seeing"
therefore I don.t lose anything0 In that state there is no 4uestion of seeing or
e/$eriencing" but for the sake of co!!unication we ha&e to borrow
these words0
These are great !en" full of wisdo!" $rofound? but how do I look at
the!' They are just like !e0 This one is a legal lu!inary and a Sanskrit
scholar? with the co!bined effect he is trying to ca$ture Parabrah!an in his
words0 e is &ery good at it" but what is the gain'
C0 To realiAe that !y state is without conce$ts" that itself is the gain0
ME *ou are standing on a conce$t 3I 7!"3 and trying to $aint that with
another conce$t0
C0E This is a different kind of court" the lawyer is hauled into the dock0
March :" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Is this 3I 7!ness3 which e&erybody has the sa!e thing as con(
sciousness'
Maharaj+ 2ther than this consciousness and 3I 7!ness"3 what is there
that can clai! 3I 7!'3
8nderstand that this 3I3 is not different at different le&els0 7s the
7bsolute it is the 3I3 which in !anifesting needs a for!0 The sa!e 7bsolute
3I3 beco!es the !anifested 3I3 and in the !anifested 3I3 it is the
consciousness which is the source of e&erything0 In(the !anifested state it
is the 7bsolute with consciousness0
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*ou !ay think that you consider yourself to be the consciousness" but
you generally kee$ on wanting so!ething as an entity" e&en if it is
s$iritual knowledge0 The body is only an instru!ent by which con(
sciousness !anifests itself? it has no se$arate" autono!ous identity0
This body" which you lo&e so !uch" is ti!e(bound and this
consciousness" which de$ends on the !aterial body" is also ti!e(bound0
The &ital breath is the acti&e ele!ent which kee$s the body in action0
Consciousness is the $assi&e ele!ent0 The &ital breath will lea&e the
body after a certain s$an of ti!e and lea&e dead !aterial? the
consciousness will also lea&e the body and !erge with the uni&ersal
consciousness0 This is the nor!al $rocess ( within this what is it you
consider yourself to be' This is !erely a functioning" there is no
se$arate entity0 7ctually our true identity is known to e&eryone" there is no
doubt about it0 #ut because of identification with the body as an entity
what is definitely known to us is being forgotten0
Histening to what I say !ay gi&e you a te!$orary sense of $eace and
$leasure" but so long as you consider yourself a se$arate entity wanting
s$iritual sal&ation" all this is useless0
There is no entity that can benefit fro! the listening that takes $lace0
%hat is birth after all' #irth is only the waking state" dee$ slee$ and se/?
su$$ose the se/ is re!o&ed" then there will be no interest0 The se/ cannot
fill your sto!ach" cannot $ro&ide you with food" but that is necessary0 It
is easier to understand that the entire !anifestation is of the nature of a
drea!" or a !irage" but you inter$ret the rest of the !anifestation as being
a !irage and won.t let go of the seer of the $heno!enon0 The seer is also
$art of the !irage0
March I" :;<:
Maharaj+ If you ha&e any 4uestions I will try to answer the!0 This !o(
!ent now" of this $articular situation" is a &ery $eculiar one0 *ou need not
talk if you don.t want to" you !ay !erely sit0 Merely sitting here" at this
$articular ti!e" will be of great benefit0 The !o!ent 000 the aus$i(
cious sy!$to!" and it will gi&e the !ost a!aAing results 000 incredible 000
this !o!ent itself" this touch of3I 7!ness3 is just a $in$rick" just a touch0
If you a$$ercei&e what I ha&e said" there is no reason to &isit !e
again0 %hat I ha&e told you is not so!ething to be wondered o&er or $on(
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dered o&er for a $eriod of ti!e ( it is a !atter to be a$$ercei&ed
i!!ediately0
a&e you had this way of e/$ounding knowledge anywhere else" in
4uietude'
Cuestioner+ 7t ,a!anasra!0 E&erybody was silent there too0
M0 ow long were you with ,a!ana'
C0 2nly a short while0 ow is it that I ha&e been so fortunate as to find Maharaj
now'
M0 So!ething good you ha&e done in your $ast life0 If you had not done
your ho!ework you would not ha&e &isited this $lace" The rare" lucky
ones will &isit this $lace and listen to the talks0
C0 I a! ha&ing different e/$eriences of war!th" seeing light" and I a! afraid0
M0 Don.t worry about any e/$eriences" try to abide in the e/$eriencer0
The e/$eriences are good indications of your de&elo$!ent" but don.t
stagnate at the le&el of e/$erience0
C+ I usually feel that I a! this or that" but I a! losing this0 I a! feeling !ore
detached" not interested in the world0 During the e/$erience of the shedding away of
these conce$ts I feel a sense of death and fear0
M0E *es" it will go on like that0 So long as you are" such things are bound to
ha$$en0 *ou ha&e to transcend the 3I 7!03 If you are alert" focusing your
attention on the !o!ent" the 3I 7!3 is a continuous !o!ent" you
transcend the 3I 7!03
March <" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Can we understand our real nature through consciousness' Can we
gras$ it'
Maharaja Is there any other instru!ent through which you can under(
stand your true nature' %hate&er isOcan be $ercei&ed by all" is $ercei&ed
by all0 %ho wants to gras$ it' *ou" as a se$arate entity" want to know
That which is" as the 7bsolute0 It can.t be done" because you are the 7b(
solute0
%here does the one who has attained sa!adhi go' The seeker hi!self has
disa$$eared0
C If the seeker is a conce$t" then the 6uru is also a conce$t0
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M0 *es" but that 6uru is the su$$ort for all seeking0 So long as there is
word there is seeker? when the word &anishes" there is nothing0
I ha&e e/$erienced all four kinds of s$eech and transcended the!0
,arely will anybody follow this hierarchy to stabiliAe in the
consciousness and transcend consciousness0 Starting fro! &aikhara )word-"
nor!ally we listen to words? fro! &aikhari we go to !adhya!a
)!indthought-? in watching the !ind we are in $ashayanti where the
conce$t for!ation takes $lace and fro! there to Para )I 7! ( without
words-" and finally fro! Para to $rior to consciousness0 This is the line to
follow" but only a rare one follows it ( receding" re&ersing0
C0 Is dee$ slee$ and the state $rior to the 3I 7!3 one and the sa!e'
M+ 7s a conce$t it is the sa!e thing? until you beco!e That" then there
will be no one to know0 Not only that" but whate&er actions are done (
whether through you or !e ( are originally done within that state of
dee$ slee$0 In slee$ you drea!? this being(awake state is the $ri!ary
drea!? the drea! in the slee$ing state is the secondary drea! ( it is the
transfor!ation of the $ri!ary drea!0 In this state of consciousness" in the
$ri!ary drea!" the entire uni&erse is created and when it is realiAed that it
is a drea! ( then you are awake0 #oth drea!s are consciousness0
C0 Then the actor cannot know that he is drea!ing'
M+ That is e/actly the beauty of !aya" the whole heart of it0 8nderstand
that the basis of whate&er drea! it is" is consciousness0
March ;" :;<:
Maharaja This sense of entity that one has" which has been created by the
!ind" when the consciousness itself disa$$ears" what ha$$ens to
that sense of entity' Is there anyone who knows that he is dead' It is only the
others who say that he is dead0
If the consciousness and the !ind were the ulti!ate truth" then all
those !illions of for!s which ha&e been created and destroyed would
ha&e the knowledge of their e/istence0
In this country" in this life" you ac4uire so!ething" but the rule of the
land is that whate&er has been ac4uired cannot be taken out of the country0
%hate&er you ac4uire is because of consciousness" but the law of the land
of this life is that nothing can be taken away" once consciousness
disa$$ears" e&erything is gone0
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ow does !an beha&e in the world' e forgets what it is that is really
functioning0 e forgets that the for!s are only instru!ents for the func(
tioning of consciousness0 e considers hi!self an entity and s$ends his
whole life working hard" trying to achie&e so!ething0 The !oti&ation for
all this is the sense of !e and !ine0 7ll kinds of for!s are being
created and destroyed continuously (.that is $art of the functioning0
Cuestioner? If there is nothing to be achie&ed by an entity" then what is the $ur$ose of
this s$iritual seeking'
M0 %hat is to be understood is ( all that is functioning is the
consciousness ( no entity is in&ol&ed0
C0 Then what is the use of understanding'
M0 There is no benefit for any su$$osed entity0 There should be no
sense of e&en a benefit out of this understanding0 *ou are the
understanding0 %ho is to get the benefit' That which a$$rehends this has
no sha$e or for!0
The for!s are created fro! the fi&e ele!ents ( at the end of their
s$an of ti!e they are destroyed0 If you li&e for hundreds of years"
nothing will be of any benefit to you0
I ha&e ob&iously understood all of this and yet I ha&e !ade sufficient
$ro&ision for !y new flat to be constructed0 8nderstand what !ight
a$$ear as contradiction" but there is no contradiction so long as one sees all
this as $art of total functioning0 %ill this a$$ear to any nor!al $erson as
so!ething reasonable'
C+ Can Maharaj (tell us how the diferent tra$s can be se$arated and a&oided0
M0 *ou had better get so!e hefty $eo$le to cut u$ the fi&e ele!ents into
little bits ( then you will ha&e this se$aration0 It is just one0
Consciousness itself is the tra$0
Borget all your other 4uestions" !erely concentrate on the source of
this consciousness because of which e&erything else is0 ow did this
body arri&e" and within it this consciousness which is latent' Bind out the
source of this0
C0 Maharaj has brought us back to the root0
M( I threw you at the root and buried you" and in that state in which I
ha&e buried you" there is nothing to be known" because in that state"
consciousness is not0 2nce this is clearly a$$ercei&ed" so long as the
body is there life !ust go on" but life a$$ears !erely as a series of enter(
tain!ents0
*ou should understand fro! what stand$oint I a! talking? if you
understand you take it" otherwise you lea&e it0 Nobody in the world will
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tell you so bluntly0 %hen you really" intuiti&ely" understand what I
!ean" then you will co!e to the end of s$irituality0
March :=" :;<:
Cuestioner+ %hy does the identification see! to change constantly'
Maharaj+ In consciousness the identification with an indi&idual will
kee$ on changing" but once the identity is lost it is $ossible to re!ain in
total !anifestation0
C0 Can I reach the 7bsolute state while consciousness is there'
M0 In that state there is no one to be conscious so there is no 4uestion of
reaching that state as long as consciousness is $resent0
C+ #ut I thought Maharaj said 00
M0 That state is where knowledge is absorbed in knowledge" and
knowledge is not aware of itself0 The instru!ent has to be there and
consciousness is the instru!ent0 In consciousness" consciousness is
conscious of itself" but in the state $rior to the arising of consciousness"
who is there and with what instru!ent can one be conscious'
In that state which is not tainted by anything there is no conditioning0
Take the e/a!$le of s$ace0 In s$ace there is darkness and light" the s$ace
is there whether darkness or light is there? in the sa!e way the state $rior
to consciousness is always there0 ,ight now it is there0 It is the substratu!
of e&erything0 7jnani is one who abides in that state of s$ace in s$ite of
body and !ind0
C0 %hat is the $ractice" is it !editation only'
M0 *ou !ust $ossess that confir!ation that you are for!less" designless?
not only rely on !editation0 7lways insist that you are for!less" free"
and are not conditioned0 *ou !ust ha!!er on this constantly" that is the
$ractice0
C+ I ha&e longer ti!es when I a! disassociated fro! the body(!ind0 I don.t
understand what is ha$$ening to !e when I see the body act and feel outside of it0
M0 %hat is wrong with that' *ou !ust ha&e a strong con&iction? that
con&iction !eans $racticing0 That con&iction !eans not only 3I 7!"3 but
it !eans I a! free fro! 3I 7!3 also0
*ou know you are" without words0 Just be that0 *ou are not to think
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or i!agine anything0 #efore it occurs to you that so!ething is" you !ust
be0 *ou !ust be there in order to !editate0 %hen you wake u$ the first
thing in the !orning" at that !o!ent you know only you are" e!erging
fro! dee$ slee$ to a waking state0 Hater on you think I a! so and so" etc0
C+ In !editation I hear sounds and see &isions0
M0 To hear so!ething you !ust be there0 That state is a !ost 6odly
state but it is !ore i!$ortant to be your Self0
C+ There is always fear0
M0 The fear is because of ignorance0 It is not e/ternal sound" it is the
!anifestation of your consciousness0 The 6odly illu!ination is there
$ro&ided the Self(effulgence is there0 To see the 6od" you !ust be there0 To
get to know the knower is difficult? it is so!ething like knowing a
townshi$? it is not indi&idualistic" it is !anifestation0
%hen you are that !anifest consciousness state" it is so!ething like0 0 a
dee$ dark blue state? you are in that ho!ogenous" dee$ dark blue
state0 That is the first ste$ of beingness0 Bro! that dee$ dark blue
Selfeffulgent ho!ogenous state into no(knowingness state ( that is your
true identity0 It is a no(knowingness state" a total" co!$lete" $erfect
state0 In that knowingness state e&erything is i!$erfect" is is ne&er
co!$lete ( that is why you want !ore and !ore0 In s$ite of $lenteousness"
the knowingness state is inco!$lete0
C0 %hat is the effect at death'
M0 The effect is u$on those who know that the $erson is dead and gone0
There is no effect on the one who is dead and gone ( he doesn.t know he is
dead and gone0 The body is !ade of food" the true you is not in this body0
7 lot can be said" but you will not be able to recei&e what I say0
Su$$ose I say that if you are not" the #rah!an is not ( will you
understand' *ou are so !uch obsessed by death because of your
identification with the body0 #ecause you are thinking of death" death is
sure for you" but if you are the Self there is no 4uestion of death for you0
March ::" :;<:
Cuestioner+ #y reading the book of Maharaj.s talks" I feel great freedo! and joy" I
think I a! e/$eriencing the li&ing word0
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Maharaj+ %hat is it which was e/$eriencing this' It was the sense of
$resence0
C I ha&e read so !any books" but this was a new re&elation" a new e/$erience0
%hy don.t I get the sa!e e/$erience fro! other books'
M0 I a! not going to acce$t any of your co!$li!ents0 *our 4uestions
are fro! the0 body(!ind le&el and you will acce$t the answers on the
sa!e le&el0 *ou are riding the horse of body(identification0
C+ I wanted to know why I got such e/$eriences fro! reading your book and not
fro! others0
M0 I a! not interested in your e/$eriences? I a! interested only in you0
The talker and the listener are one0 Most of the others who co!e here
!ay be said to be in a state si!ilar to that of ha&ing had a really good
dinner? they ha&e had their fill" and now they are chewing the cud" like a
cow ( they are not interested in further food0 That is why there are no
4uestions0 If so!eone like you doesn.t arri&e and ask 4uestions" there
will be no 4uestions0 *ou ha&e co!e to seek knowledge and you are
knowledge0
C+ Dakshina!urti taught his disci$les in silence0
M0 ang Dakshina!urti5 That is hearsay" so!ething you ha&e read or
heard0 %hat is your e/$erience' I (a! here and you are here+ ask 4ues(
tions0
C0 %hy is it that so!e die young and others li&e a long life'
M+ %ill there be birth or death without the consciousness or self' %hen
you say they die young or li&e long" those that are born" actually what
logic does the Self know' Does the sun know when it sets or rises' Birst
understand what it is that is born and then this !ystery will be sol&ed0
C0 The body is born" the Self is not born0
M+ If the Self is not there" can the body be born' %hat do you
understand by the word birth' 7re you born'
C0 7s long as we identify with the body we are born0
M0 I talk only to the consciousness about the consciousness" the co!!on
!an will not understand0
C0 %hat is the way to understand' %hat is there to do' The 4uickest way'
M+ 8nderstanding and being in that true nature is the task0 There is no
other 6od than this sense of $resence and I a! this sense of $resence0
8nderstanding this with con&iction is the 4uickest way0 8nderstand that
original state when there was none other0 That is true knowledge"
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :D:
!y true nature0 Plenty of a&atars ha&e co!e and gone" but that s$ace is
there all the ti!e0
C+ ow does one o&erco!e basic ignorance'
M0 %hat is it that understands there is so!ething like ignorance'
C+ 1nowledge understands0
M+ 8nderstand that you are that knowledge and forget about ignor(
ance0 7ny beautiful !usic" when it is heard" any dancing girl" when she
dances ( if by all this nobody is !o&ed" he is either ajnani or a donkey0
ere is a roo!ful of such $eo$le who will not be !o&ed by the beauty of
anything0 I a! in that state where there is total absence of any conce$t of
$resence or absence0 *ou are also in that state" but you don.t know it0
My consciousness is not &ery effecti&e? there is no recognition now of
anybody as an indi&idual" a $erson0 If you feel like sitting you are wel(
co!e? whene&er you feel like going you can go0
March :>" :;<:
Cuestioner+ #y the grace ofMaharaj Ifind that now !y eyes are able to see and !y ears
are able to hear0
Maharaj+ %hat the eyes see and the ears hear is only the false0 #oth will
disa$$ear0 *ou are That which witnesses0
%hat is understood and $racticed by the co!!on indu !an as
s$irituality is that water fro! the ri&er is carried in a &essel and $oured
o&er an i!age of 6od0 So!e of these i!ages ha&e been $laced so that one
has to cli!b J== ste$s to reach the!0 This is considered to bring great
!erit0 They collect water in brass &essels in #enares fro! the 6anges0
They carry that water" walking all the way" to South India" to
,a!eshwara" and $our it o&er the idol" and they will take theEsea water
fro! ,a!eshwara back to #enares and $our it o&er the head of the idol
there0 This is their conce$t of liberation ( water is taken fro! one $lace
and carried to another(what a strenuous conce$t5
C %hat we hear at the feet of Maharaj is so!ething that is e&er new0
M+ %hat I a! telling you about can ne&er be new or old ( it is
unchanging" e&erlasting0
This consciousness in which conce$ts arise is itself a conce$t" and so
long as consciousness re!ains all other conce$ts will continue to arise0
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The 7bsolute un!anifest is what Is0 %hate&er we think about that
7bsolute state can only be a conce$t" until the consciousness ends and we
are in that 7bsolute state0
2ne achie&es so!ething and one guards it" but how long can you
guard it' 2nly until you are in dee$ slee$0 *ou ha&e a fond conce$t and
you hang on to it all day? in dee$ slee$ where is that conce$t'
Cr ow does Maharaj talk to us if he does not acce$t indi&iduality'
M0 The sun does not shine for indi&iduals0 The words co!e out of the
consciousness" s$ontaneously" as $art of the total functioning0 There are
any nu!ber of e/$eriences" so!e of the! you like and you kee$ the! in
your !e!ory and $a!$er the! ( that itself is suffering0 7ll your e/(
$eriences should be just $art of the total functioning" ha$$ening s$on(
taneously0
March :J" :;<:
Maharaj+ I a! not inclined to collect !ore $eo$le and e/$ound knowledge
because I a! not able to deli&er !yself as so!ething tangible to you0
1rishna!urti is talking" I a! also talking ( there is no substance in that0
*ou are recording the talks and writing it down ( in the final analysis"
there is no substance in that0
2nce it is realiAed that it is only a total functioning of the !anifest
consciousness and there is no indi&idual entity" there will be no 4uestion of
liberation" of birth or death" or of a doer doing anything0
Nor!ally" in the na!e of s$irituality" knowledge is e/$ounded0
1nowledge is in the real! of the fi&e ele!ents ad it is talked about as
real or unreal as long as the knowledge 3I 7!3 is there? it is a $roduct of the
knowledge 3I 7!03
7jnani is that state fro! which witnessing of the knowledge 3I 7!.
takes $lace0 In that jnani state there is no touch of 3I 7!ness3 )it is a
4uality(less state- and it is not knowledge ( knowledge !eans 3I 7!(
ness03 Su$$ose there are no thoughts" ti!e has sto$$ed" but s$ace will be
there0 7 thought(free state is so!ething like s$ace" s$ace(like0 I a! the
witness that the thought(free state is there" that is the Self" 3I 7!"3 the
being0 #ecause the being is there" ha&ing re!o&ed all the $ollution"
including thought" ti!e is also gone and s$ace and beingness is there0
%hen that state ends" it is the 7bsolute state" a so!ething sweet(like
state0 *ou are just $laying with words and the !eaning of words ( you
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :DF
don.t go to the root fro! where the words e!anate0 Nobody goes to the
root? they are fascinated by the dis$lay0 %hen the su$$ort of the
body!ind is not a&ailable" what are you then like'
I a! in the state beyond suffering and enjoy!ent0 It is said that
when knowledge is realiAed" the de&otion $ersists still but actually there is
no $ersonality left0 There is no 4uestion of de&otion? de&otion to
who!' owe&er" they say that de&otion is there ( it !ight be for the
guidance of other seekers0
March :I" :;<:
Maharaj+ E&en in the highest Saints there is always so!e doubt about the
clarity of 3I 7!"3 and this en4uiry of what I a! !ust be gone into at any
and all le&els0 The i!$ortance and significance of the en4uiry is that no one
can gi&e you an answer to this en4uiry e/ce$t yourself0 Each one" as 3I"3 has
to find out what this 3I3 is0 The !erest descri$tion that can be gi&en to this
consciousness is that it is as fine" as subtle" as s$ace0 In !aturity your
consciousness is 6od0
That original state" $rior to the arising of consciousness" cannot be
described" one can only be That0
I kee$ on re$eating that whate&er one listens to ulti!ately !eans
nothing ( because whate&er I a!" that is e/actly what you are0
7ny action that one takes de$ends on a certain i!age that one has
about oneself" and that i!age re!ains only so long as consciousness is
there0 Is this clearly understood'
Peo$le co!e here with a certain set of conce$ts? I hold the !irror
before the! of what they are as $heno!ena and ulti!ately they realiAe
that as $heno!ena they are nothing and when consciousness de$arts
they will reach their original state ( which was there before the body(
cu!(consciousness arose0 In that original state there was no e/$erience"
e&en now any e/$erience that one thinks one has is only a conce$t0
In that state" before consciousness arose" there was no 4uery of
3%ho a! I'3 because there was no one who wanted to know that answer0 This
4uestion arises only in consciousness? anything in consciousness is only a
conce$t and therefore it has. to be wrong0
2ut of !illions of $eo$le" why do only so!e co!e here' 2b&iously it is
when consciousness has this en4uiry in consciousness that it brings
$eo$le here0
Cuestioner+ Is the 3I 7!3 a conce$t or the only reality'
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M+ 3I 7!3 is only a few letters0 as anyone been able to kee$ this 3I
7!3 in his $ocket for all ti!e'
Cr : a! ( but without words'
M+ *es0 If whoe&er feels this 3I 7!3 had knowledge" would he ha&e
cared to beco!e this 3I 7!3' No" he would ha&e said" 3I don.t want this
consciousness03
C0 I understand0
M+ *ou are unreal ( you know that you are ( that is also unreal0 This
sense of $resence is an untruth? it is like a drea!0
C0 ow can this 3I 7!ness3 be the source of !isery'
M0 Try to find out when this conce$t of ha$$iness and unha$$iness
arose0 It was not there until I had this consciousness0
E&erybody lo&es this sense of $resence and wants it to continue for
all ti!e but they don.t go further into the $ast and find out whose ecstasy
created this sense of $resence0 #ecause of so!e $hysical ecstasy" lasting
only for an instant" this s$eck of consciousness in which the entire
uni&erse is contained has co!e into e/istence0
C+ I don.tfeel the !isery of 3I7!ness3"E Ifeel that e&erything is right0 Does it !ean
that I don.t want to look at the !isery'
M0 *ou cannot do anything ( you ha&e to enjoy what is ( is it not so' To
suffer or to enjoy" you ha&e no choice0
Ne&ertheless" e/$eriences will be there0 *ou !ay not be in&ol&ed in the
e/$eriences" but so long as the 3I 7!3 is there" e/$eriences will be there0
The !agic" the art" of this consciousness is that it has not only hidden
the fact that it is the source of all !isery" but has !ade itself the source of
all a$$arent ha$$iness0
March :K" :;<:
Cuestioner+ %hat does Maharaj !ean by Hinga(deha'
Maharaj+ It is the seed" the che!ical" the $roduct of the fi&e ele!ental
essences which gi&e rise to and sustain the consciousness 3I 7!03 Just like
the seed of a tree" that seed latently contains all future !anifesta(
tions and e/$ressions of the tree that will s$rout out of that seed0 *ou
take a fountain $en and on the $a$er you $ut a dro$ of ink" so that dro$ is
the Hinga(deha0 That dro$ is the !o!ent of conce$tion? its e/$ression
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :DJ
is the thought(free state" like s$ace" in the knowingness state0 That is the
4uality of knowingness" s$ace(like? there is no conce$t" but its e/$res(
sion is the $hysical" tangible0 Just i!agine it is infinitesi!al" but its
e/$ression is !anifest infinity0
Boreigners understand" but when the Indians co!e" they listen to the
talks" but they are still attached to all their bodily relati&es0
7t Hinga(deha le&el" when you worshi$ your 6uru" you are the e/(
$ression of 6uru" in so !any ways0 *ou will be e/$eriencing so !any
things at such a le&el" but all that has e!anated out of you only" out of
your lo&e and de&otion for 6uru" and finally" as you e&ol&e" all those
e/$ressions !erge into you0 This is &ery i!$ortant" this is the
consu!!ation of de&otion or Saguna #hakti0
That Hinga(deha" that little dro$" and the knowledge 3I 7!3 is the
sa!e0 %hat we see is the !anifest world which a$$ears in that s$eck of
consciousness0 7s sweetness is the nature of sugar" so this s$eck of
consciousness is the nature of that dro$ of Hinga(deha0 The $arents" the
source of the Hinga(deha" are !erely an e/cuse for $re$aring that which
was concei&ed0 *our true state was there before the body and
consciousness arose" is there now and will be there after the body and
consciousness go0 So!ebody !ay challenge what I a! saying0
I ha&e ne&er had any doubt about what you are or who you are"
because I ha&e understood !y true state ( what I a!" I know you are0
So!e $eo$le will s$read this illu!ination" but it will be the foreign(
ers" not the Indians0 7t a later date $eo$le will 4uestion" 3%as there
really such a $erson who e/$ounded knowledge in this way'3
March :<" :;<:
Maharaja There is no duality between the 6uru and the #hakta0 In That
which Is there is no duality" has ne&er been any duality0 The word
#hakta !eans de&otion" but in actuality it indicates togetherness" one
only" unity0
Cuestioner+ The fla!e of de&otion lights !y way0
M0 %ho s$eaks about that fla!e' %hen we talk we don.t talk about a
$erson" but about that dyna!ic" !anifest fla!e 3I 7!03
C0 That is not e/tinguishable0
M0 %ho says that'
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C+ I belie&e that0
M0 #ecause it is your belief" is it right'
C+ I ha&e no $roof0
M0 *ou are running0 %ho talks about the $roof' %ith your faith"
whate&er you are worshi$$ing and de&oted to" that you will
get0
The trouble about your s$irituality is that you are listening only to
that knowledge about Iswara which is useful to an enti
ty
" you are collect(
ing only that knowledge0 7s a !an" an entity" this is a te!$ora
ry
$hase
of your e!otions" or senti!ents0 No $erson will be able to conser&e his
$ersonality or his identity fore&er0 That guiding $rinci$le is not a $er(
son0 Nowadays I don.t e/$ound any the!e of s$irituality0 I don.t e&en
talk" but still" why the attraction which brings you he
re
' %ith this I
de&elo$ !y encu!br
ances0 I ha&e nothing to gain in this bargain e/ce$t
these encu!brances0
Do you.know the ingredients of that $ersonality
' 8nless you get to know
that fully" you will not go beyond0
C+ %hat about !y desires" !y needs'
M0 *ou are in need of your Self0
C+ Is there any in&ol&e!ent between !y desires and the raw !aterial'
M0 Plenty of in&ol&e!ent0 2ut of the interaction and $lay of the fi&e
ele!ents this food body is a&ailable" in that the fragrance and taste is the
knowledge 3I 7!03 Now you find out what is the indication that you are in
this food body0
C0 %ould fasting hel$ !e to find !y Self'
M+ Not at all0 That 3I 7rtiness3 is the &ery e/$ression of the food0 Su$$ose
you want to find sweetness" sweetness is the 4uality of sugar" if you reject
sugar where is the sweetness'
C0 Then I always ha&e to go outside !yself to food" to get this taste'
M+ Can you get the food fro! inside' The su$$ly co!es fro! outside0
C0 I ha&e always been led to belie&e that this sense of $resence did not de$end on
body" that is the essence of s$irituality" and now you tell !e the o$$osite5
M0 Therefore understand this !ystery itself0 %here does the world e/(
ist' It e/ists in this s$eck of consciousness" and this consciousness can
e/ist only if there is food0
%hate&er life you are li&ing" you are only entertaining a conce$t0
Bind out is there such a thing as an indi&idual0 Think o&er it0
If the entertain!ent of the e/$erience is easy" if it $leases you" you
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call it ha$$iness" if not you call it unha$$iness0
The feeling that you are ( the sense of $resence ( what has caused it to
co!e about' Think on it0
C+ E&erything is ha$$ening because I a!0
M0 %ill you be able to retain this understanding always' C+
Just for a !o!ent and then the identification co!es back0
M0 It.s a long way to get the understanding stabiliAed that e&erything is
ha$$ening because I 7!0 Now" for how !any days will you be in India'
C0 I ha&e only a few !ore days here0
M+ It is not i!$ortant where you are" once you are established in the 3I
7!03 It is like s$ace ( it neither co!es nor goes? just as when you
de!olish the walls of a building only s$ace re!ains0
March D=" :;<:
Maharaj+ My $ersonality" or indi&iduality" is thrown to the winds" it is no
!ore there0 %hat you are &isiting is only that Duhkha #haga&an" the 6od
of Sorrow0 #haga&an is this !anifestation" but sorrow only0 It is not
in&ol&ed in thought or acti&ities ( it is just the !anifestation0 I a! the
total functioning and whate&er in the functioning" at the !o!ent" has
certain significance" that I a!0
It is only by taking the aid of this consciousness" which is suffering"
that I a! talking0 This kind of e/$erience ha$$ens only to a &ery rare
one0 Don.t ask anything" just listen0
This consciousness" this !anifestation" this functioning" has no
sha$e" for! or color0
Cuestioner+ %ould Maharaj e/$lain !ore about Duhkha #haga&an'
M0 Duhka !eans $ain" suffering" agony0 #haga&an !eans not only 6od" it is
indicati&e of e/$losi&eness" a flash 000 an e/$losi&e flash 000 world
$erce$tion ( with the a$$earance of 3I 7!ness03
%hen there is an e/$losion of fireworks there is a crashing sound" a f
lash of light" and lighting u$ of the surrounding area0 Si!ilarly the 3I
7!3 e/$lodes into being and the whole $erce$tible uni&erse is conjured u$"
but consciousness" the 3I 7!ness"3 gi&es rise to inade4uacy" i!$er(
fection" and therefore the beginning of sorrow" !isery" etc0" and the set(
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Cling into body(!ind sense0 Bro! $erfect to i!$erfect ( fro! no(being to
being0 In the re&erse direction ( fro! body(!ind to beingness to 7bsolute
( then the consciousness state is a 6odly state0
C %hy is there so !uch $ain and unha$$iness in this world'
M0 #ecause you are always in search of ha$$iness0 a$$iness and
unha$$iness are interrelated0 If you did not ha&e unha$$iness" how would
you recogniAe ha$$iness'
March DF" :;<:
Maharaj+ I a! That which re$resents the absence of what is seen0 If you
try to acco!!odate what I say within this conce$t that you are a hu!an
being" it cannot be done0 In s$ite of listening to all I ha&e said" !ost of
you will continue to identify yourself as a body" and you will look on !e as
an indi&idual" but I a! not that0 My real $resence is the absence of the
$heno!ena that you see0
My slee$ is not the kind you ha&e" it is $ure consciousness0 %hen I
slee$ there is awareness of total !anifestation and also the 8n!anifest0
There is no distinction between an indi&idual and the total uni&erse0
*ou think that I a! ill but that is because you identify !e with the
body0 I consider this illness as an e/traordinary state which co!es to the lot
of a rare one so long as the indi&iduality e/ists in the for! of a body ( but
the i!$ortance of that is i!$ossible to describe0 That state is full of
suffering? ne&ertheless" it is full of significance and it co!es to a rare one0
The 4uestion of what one is co!es only in !anifestation" in co!(
$arison with other $heno!ena0 In !y state there is no $heno!enon? !y
e/istence is $rior to any !anifestation0 There is no 4uestion of who or
what I a!0
Cuestioner+ %ould Maharaj re$eat what was said earlier about that state where there
is no $heno!enon'
M0 2nce it is said it is gone0 The correct way of listening is to
concentrate on the words which re&eal your own identity" forget all
other things0 *ou arri&e at your identity as that state which was $rior
to words0 %ords cannot satisfy That0
This consciousness" because of which e&erything else is" is itself
!erely the light of That which is" a reflection of That which is0 The a&er(
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS9 :D;
age $erson who considers hi!self a seeker worshi$s the &arious
conce$ts" not his true being0
C0 %ould Maharaj talk so!e !ore about the state which was $rior to con(
sciousness'
M0 %hat is the $oint' 7nything you can think of that state is only a conce$t
and that conce$t will last only so long as the consciousness is there0
2nly the e/$eriencer re!ains ( uns!eared by any e/$eriences (
e&en the e/$erience of re!aining0
I a! nothing but how dare I talk like this' #ecause I know none of the
e/$eriences ha&e re!ained with !e0
*ou will not find anyone so blunt as I0 E&eryone is concerned with
these e/$eriences fro! birth to death but no one gi&es any thought to that
state before e/$eriencing began0 2ne who has a clear understanding of this
consciousness cannot attach any i!$ortance to any e/$erience0
C0 I want to gi&e u$ this identity with the body" I want to find out who la!0 ow
do Igo about it'
M+ If you do not ha&e the knowledge 3I 7!3 who is going to seek' *ou
!ust be" only then can the search begin0 ,e!e!ber the knowledge 3I
7!3 ( that alone $er&ades e&erything ( be only that" gi&e u$ the rest0
C+ %hen I think 3I7!" 3then i!!ediately co!e thoughts of the things that la!0 I
know that co!es fro! the !ind0
M0E #efore you think ( you are0 In the s$ace all !o&e!ent ha$$ens" for
any a$$earance or any !o&e!ent" the s$ace !ust be there0
Bor the 4uestion 3%ho a! I3 there is no re$ly" but you !ay re$ly any
way you like" you can gi&e it any na!e or title you like0
Peo$le do not go to the root(!eaning of whate&er is heard or read"
they just re$eat" $arrot(like0 I take a serious" objection to $eo$le just
reciting the bhajans" $arrot(like0
ow !any $eo$le ha&e understood the !eaning of certain cou$lets
sung at bhajans' The sun and the !oon are the reflections of that &ery
$rinci$le 3I 7!03
S$irituality is o$en and at the sa!e ti!e it is a !ystery0 #ecause you are"
all the worlds" the uni&erse is? this is your reflection0
If you want to know what you are" that is all gi&en in the bhajans0 If
you close your eyes and al!ost forget yourself" half(slee$" that is e/actly
what you are0 #ut if you want to a gli!$se" the first &ision that you
get is that dee$ blue s$ace" that &ery idol of beauty" the i!age of
beauty0 @ery often I ha&e elucidated this $oint but rarely has anybody
been able to catch what I a! dri&ing at0
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7t bhajans I used to stress certain cou$lets by shouting loudly but
nobody understood what I was doing0 I was stressing certain cou$lets so0
that $eo$le would go dee$er into the !eaning of it" but they were only
shouting louder5 Not only was I loudly stressing that $articular line but I
used to re$eat it0 I was ins$ired to shout those lines at the to$ of !y
&oice" 3*ou are that s$eck of consciousness and out of that the entire cos(
!os is created03 I was dee$ly de&oted to the singing of bhajans because it
was $ro&iding all the s$iritual nourish!ent0 %hene&er I used to strike the
$rofound !eaning of a $articular bhajan I used to dance in the roo!0 I ha&e
all the e/uberance to dance and sing now" but there is no energy0
7fter that I ne&er went to any Sage or Saint0 owe&er" !any Sages
and Saints &isited !e" but unfortunately I did not !eet anybody who
considered the sun and the !oon and the uni&erse as their e/$ression such
a Sage I did not co!e across0
C? 7lthough I do not know Marati" I ha&e felt the dee$er !eaning of the bhajans
intuiti&ely0
M+ Many $eo$le do bhajans here" but they are not able to gras$ the
dee$er !eaning0 Many of the foreigners are able to catch the dee$er
!eaning0 *ou )the foreigners- ha&e that ad&antage because all of you
who are interested in this were in your $re&ious incarnation the ar!y of
that great incarnation ,a!a" followers of ,a!a" so you were already
blessed at that ti!e0 In further incarnations you !igrated to the East?
you are !ore at ho!e in this $lace than the Indians are0
Boreigners recogniAe !e" but $eo$le in the street don.t know !e"
because that great ,a!a blessed all his ar!y" all his followers" at that
ti!e0
I ad!ire the foreigners ( not only do they co!e thousands of !iles to
be here but they s$end so !uch !oney to stay in #o!bay0
C+ 8nless there were that dee$ urge" we would not co!e0
M+ That is your &ery destiny0 In that che!ical which you are" that urge is
already $lanted therein0
*ou $eo$le co!e here and sit" with deter!ination to get what you
want0 Therefore I ha&e great res$ect and great regard for you0
March DJ" :;<:
Maharaj+ Treat the body like a &isitor" or guest" which has co!e and will
go0 *oa !ust know your $osition as a host &ery clearly while the
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :F:
guest is still there0 %hat is the e/act nature of the host after the guest
lea&es !ust be realiAed while the guest is $resent0 a&e you
understood' 6i&e !e so!e idea of that $osition in which you will find
yourself when this body guest lea&es0
Cuestioner+ There is no identity0
M0 6ood0 Is this a fir! con&iction'
C0 *es" in the !editation0
M0 %hat is the significance of the guest" the sign'
C0 7s soon as the guest co!es there is the sense of identity as a host0
M+ The sense of $resence" 3I 7!ness"3 is the sign of the guest0 7re your
answers out of dee$ con&iction'
C *es0
M0 Then there is no need to co!e to!orrow0
C0 It is only in dee$ !editation that I know it0
M0 Do you acce$t co!$letely the knowledge that you do not e/ist'
C0 There are !o!ents in !editation when I really feel the con&iction0
M0E It is not a fir! con&iction if it is not there all the ti!e0 %hen one is
&ery slee$y (just at the $oint of going into dee$ slee$ ( at that $oint he
wants nothing else e/ce$t to go to slee$0 Si!ilarly" at the last !o!ent"
when the breath is lea&ing" there is also a !o!ent of ecstasy0 7t that
$oint" when the life force and consciousness lea&e" there is that !o!ent of
ecstasy" that last !o!ent of knowing0 2ne who has thoroughly a$$re(
hended this is ajnani to who! there is no 4uestion of birth or death0
E&en if you hear this and think it is true" the conce$tualiAing0will not
sto$0 7lready so!e conce$t has begun in you0 %hate&er I ha&e told you
now is only about that s$eck of 3I 7!ness03
C0 %ould Maharaj tell us !ore about that !o!ent of death'
M0 Nothing !ore can be said about it0 It is the cul!ination or ter!ination
of the Self e/$erience" 3I 7!03 7fter the ter!ination of 3I 7!ness3 there is
no e/$erience of knowingness or not knowingness? the knowingness is the
4uality of the !aterial stuff0 %hat did you know $rior to your birth'
Si!ilarly" after death this instru!ent is !issing? without the body there is
no e/$erience0 Eternity has no birth and no death" but a te!$orary state
has a beginning and an end0
E&en when the consciousness goes" you $re&ail ( you always are (
as the 7bsolute0 7s the consciousness you are e&erything? whate&er is" is
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you0 7ll this knowledge has dawned on !e" I a! not that knowledge0
The knowledge 3I 7!"3 and all its !anifestations" are understood0 In
understanding" I a! not That0
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Maharaja The only knowledge you will get here is knowledge of the
Self? it will not hel$ you to !ake a li&ing in the world0 Do you ha&e any
idea of what your true nature is' Since you ha&e understood what you
are not" you should no longer be concerned with what you are not0 Is
that clear'
Cuestioner+ *es0
M0 *ou still ha&e an idea of what you are but e&en that i!age !ust be to(
tally erased" so that there is no idea of any entity" any identification0 Now
that you think you ha&e understood what you are" what use will you !ake of
the consciousness' 7ny use of the consciousness will be for others0
C+ The grace of the 6uru is necessary in order to understand0
M0 The grace is always there but the rece$ti&ity !ust be there to acce$t
that grace0 2ne !ust ha&e the fir! con&iction that what is heard here is the
absolute truth0
Instead of beco!ing i!$regnated with what I gi&e you" to the e/tent
that you are one with it" you !erely acce$t it" $ut it in your $ocket and
kee$ on using conce$ts which you ha&e accu!ulated already0 None of you
will really understand what I a!" you ha&e your own conce$ts of !e0
C+ I ha&e understood with the intellect0 %hat can I do to realiAe it'
M0 There is nothing you" as an entity" can do0 That which has taken
root will by itself flower into intuiti&e understanding0
C0 This understanding will take so!e ti!e0
M+ Is this not a conce$t' The &ery conce$t is a haAard0 %hen !y 6uru told
!e what the $osition is" I listened and said" 32h" this is how it is03 7nd
that was that ( the end of it0
If there are no !ore 4uestions I will close the session0 I a! not here to
kee$ a watch o&er you0 If you really understand what has been said
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there is no reason to co!e again" and if you can.t understand" then what is
the use of continuing'
C+ 2n occasion there is a s$ontaneous feeling of uni&ersal lo&e? is this based on
body(!ind" or is it so!ething else'
M+ Total lo&e is the &ery nature of consciousness0 %hen this feeling arises
there is nothing you can do ( how can one e!brace the entire ocean'
March D<" :;<:
Cuestioner+ %hat is the relation between consciousness and the intellect'
Maharaj+ Intellect is the e/$ression of conscious
ness0
C0 %e understand and a$$ercei&e e&erything through the intellect only0
M0 Things to be done !ust be done" things to be understood !ust be
understood0 Things to be done are nor!ally your $resent worldly life
and these you !ust carry out0 In s$irituality you ha&e to understand"
there is no 4uestion of doing0 In s$irituality there is no na!e and for!0
Na!e and for! are necessary for your $ractical worldly life0 The one who
understands that na!e and for! are not his identity is in s$irituality0
Presently you are still drawn towards na!e and for!0 *our identity in the
$heno!enal world as na!e and for! is te!$orary" a $assing show"
and anything relating to na!e and for! is not going to re!ain0
2ne who understands s$irituality through &arious conce$ts will he
caught u$ in a &icious circle0
If you are caught u$ in conce$ts" you will be caught u$ in the circle of
conce$ts 0
0 rebirth" reincarnation" these are all conce$ts0 If you are
caught u$ in these conce$ts you are bound to ha&e the!0 2ut of con(
ce$ts the for!s are created" such as buildings" etc0 2riginally you !ake
a $lan" you ha&e a conce$t" the conce$t is born out of you" and you gi&e
it a concrete sha$e" but it re!ains a conce$t0
%ith the e/$erience of so(called birth you are caught u$ in the cycle
like the $icture on the T@ screen0 7ll this life(ha$$ening is so!ething
like a cine!a0
*ou !ust ha&e obser&ed daily that situations are constantly changing
( that is the 4uality or e/$ression of your identity with the body(!ind0
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It is the consciousness that is $laying about" and in that !anifest
consciousness all these &arious faces and bodies are $laying about0 *ou
are not these faces and bodies" you are the consciousness out of which the
words are now flowing0
just( as the $lay you see on the T@ or cine!a screen is not real"
si!ilarly this $lay is also not real0 Bor ajnani all the $lay is unreal0
I a! not going to gi&e you solutions to your fa!ily $roble!s" I a!
telling you how this worldly life is not0 7fter listening to these talks you
still want to gain so!e $rofit for yourself? that is a $ity0 ow astonishing it is
0 0 in s$ite of !y discouraging you fro! co!ing here" still you co!e here"
how does it ha$$en'
%ithout !aking de!ands we see the drea!0 %hy do we see the
drea!' #ecause in dee$ slee$ the consciousness wakes u$" s$ontaneously"
and because it woke u$" it !anifests itself in certain &isions0
Just like that" this also" your &isiting this $lace0
I a! not talking to you for !y ad&antage" nor are you listening for
your ad&antage ( all this language is s$routing s$ontaneously in a
drea!like state0
I always try to direct you towards the truth but you co!e here with a
bundle of conce$tual sticks and stones" and instead of listening to what I
say" you $lay with the sticks and stones ( on !e0
,ight now" think of that last !o!ent when the body will go ( at that
ti!e with what identity are you going to 4uit'
This is a fraud" e&erything is fraudulent" just like a drea! world0
C0 %hat is the $ri!ary cause' %hat was the cri!e'
7l0 The cri!e was that this consciousness started feeling conscious" the
!ischief started0
%hether you like it or don.t like it" I a! going to $lace before you the
factual state of affairs0 *ou know you are ( but it is all i!aginary0 *ou
think you are ( but it is a fraud0 %hate&er the nature of the beingness
and its beha&ior" it is not your beha&ior0
%hen you" abide in your true identity you are out of this !ichie&ous
drea! world0 I ha&e $laced before you what you are0
7ll of you ha&e the fear that you are going to die" that this con(
sciousness is going to de$art ( all the e/$ressions are the e/$ressions of the
food essence body" not you0 Sweetness or $ungency are the e/$ressions of
the food" you cannot conser&e or $reser&e the!0 In the sa!e way this 3I
7!ness3 is a 4uality or e/$ression of the food essence body" and you
cannot retain it fore&er0
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Maharaj+ I a! a!aAed and astonished that you are sitting here0 The talk
is e!anating fro! a state where there are no words0 %hat identity do you
think you ha&e'
Cuestioner+ ow to establish oneselffir!ly in the awareness of 3l7!3' Does one
think 3I7!" 3 3I 7!30'
M0 Is it necessary to think that you are sitting here' *ou know that you are
sitting here0 owe&er loudly and often I urge you not to think and act in
ter!s of an entity" identified with a body" you kee$ on doing so0
%hate&er na!e and for! there is belongs to that !aterial" and that
!aterial is not you0 Do you analyAe the $roble! and with a fir! con&ic(
tion decide that you are( not the !aterial' %hen the !aterial dis(
integrates" what does the na!e refer to' Does is ha&e any significance'
2nly one in ten !illion goes to the cru/ of the !atter" analyAes what it
is" co!es to a conclusion" and gets liberated" all by hi!self0 The one who
gets liberated is the consciousness" there is no entity0
The ulti!ate understanding is that which enables the understanding to
take $lace and itself beco!es so subtle" so fine" that it disa$$ears0 7nd when
this consciousness arises again" then the Sa!adhi is broken and this 3I
7!ness3 starts again0
The words co!e fro! the consciousness" and the consciousness
needs the strength of the body0 The strength of the body is gradually
weakening" and therefore the words do not co!e out as freely as I would
like0 S$ending great energy" I re$eat and re$eat ( but how !any ha&e
understood' #asically the thing is so si!$le that I get frustrated when
you kee$ on co!ing here" listen to what I say" and show no indication that
the words ha&e reached ho!e0
%hat is the birth $rinci$le' *ou ha&e understood or you ha&e not
understood0 If you ha&e understood" why do you kee$ on co!ing' If you
ha&e not understood" why do you kee$ co!ing'
C+ Maharaj" I just like being herewith you0
M+ That is a different thing ( but ha&e you really i!bibed what I want
you to understand'
C+ %e co!e herewith so !any conce$ts and what you are teaching is so astounding
that it is like a shock treat!ent0 So how doyou e/$ect us to ask 4uestions' Het us ab(
sorb the shock for so!e ti!e" then the 4uestions will co!e0 %e are stunned into
silence0
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M+ Those who co!e here and listen to !y talks and understand will
beco!e the 6urus when they return to their own countries0
It is so easy to understand" why don.t you understand' 7t the $res(
ent ti!e" in !anifestation" what you are is the consciousness" and the
consciousness cannot re!ain unless the food body is there? therefore
consciousness de$ends on the food body ( which is essentially of an
e$ne!eral nature(and I cannot be that0 It.s as si!$le as that? why
don.t you understand'
It !ust ha$$en that the consciousness is no longer conscious of itself0
The sweetness is in the sugar and I a! the one who understands and
tastes the sweetness0 7ll these s$iritual conce$ts ha&e co!e in
con&entionally0 The last ste$ is ( knowingness in its ulti!ate state is
no knowingness0 Transcending consciousness is when the consciousness
knows and understands the consciousness0
C0 This !orning" between dee$ slee$ and awakening" there was this 4uiet" for the
fraction of a !o!ent" when there was a co!$lete knowing a stillness" just being(
ness0
M0 It is 4uite an ele&ated state" but don.t get caught u$ only in that0
Dee$ slee$ is so!ething like a block of ice? nothing is there" now it is
again resha$ing" the war!th is taking $lace" and with that war!th you feel
that you are0
In the $laying of the flute" the whole world is fascinated0 The
consciousness has ke$t you entranced in the $lay of the world0 En4uire
about that flute and who is $laying it0 6o to the source0
C0 %hen you are li&ing this life a nu!ber of 4uestions arise and we ha&e to be
constantly aware of the consciousness" but the !ind won.t let us0
M+ The !ind is an instru!ent for co!!unication" for $ractical
$ur$oses0 The !ind cannot gras$ the truth0 The Self witnesses the !ind"
but the !ind cannot catch hold of the Self0
March F:" :;<:
Maharaj+ %hen a clear understanding takes $lace of the nature and
function of consciousness" that understanding no longer needs con(
sciousness" because that understanding beco!es the knower of con(
sciousness0
Cuestioner+ Is it $ossible to function as the total !anifestation" not as an in(
di&idual'
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M0 %hat do you understand to be the total !anifestation and in(
di&idual'
C+ %hat is !anifestation'
M0 I a! the !anifestation0 I" the 7bsolute un!anifested" a! the sa!e 3I3
!anifested0 Consciousness is the e/$ression of the 7bsolute" there
are not two0
C+ If !y life gi&es !e great satisfaction and ha$$iness" why should I bother about
what or who I a!'
M0 This consciousness will not rest until it gets the answer0 This con(
sciousness cannot bear its own e/istence" cannot bear its own con(
sciousness0
C0 It wants to go back0 to its own $lace of rest0
M0( I a! not inclined to discuss with words0
*ou $eo$le co!e here with steadfastness" diligently you co!e here
and sit0 If you ha&e such a liking" you are welco!e0
My teaching is &ery si!$le? the e/$eriencer and the e/$eriences are
all fancies0
%hen you are a young $erson you like all the acti&ities of a young
$erson &ery !uch" you get &ery in&ol&ed in the!? once youth goes you are
disinterested in the acti&ities of a young $erson0 Si!ilarly" as long as you
are wearing this conce$t 3I 7!3 you will be in&ol&ed with all the
conce$ts0 %hen this conce$t 3I 7!3 de$arts there will be no !e!ory left that
I was and I had those e/$eriences+ the &ery !e!ory will be erased0 #efore
you are co!$letely li4uidated" while there are so!e traces left of you" it
would be better to 4uit this $lace0
*ou !ay not co!e across these teachings in such great detail" and at this
le&el0
This lady has $iled u$ a lot of knowledge" she $ossesses stacks of it" but
in due course she will not only forget whate&er she has $iled u$" but she
will forget herself" that she was0
7$ril >" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Is a Self(realiAed $erson always in a state of bliss'
Maharaja 2ne who has transcended the body idea does not need the
ananda )bliss-0 %hen you didn.t ha&e e/$erience of the body" you were in
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that blissful state0 That state which is $rior to your birth cannot be
described as dee$ slee$" it is beyond that0 The e/$erience of the jnani is
the sa!e as your state $rior to birth" it is a co!$lete state0
C" ow can : be That'
M0 *ou are in that state all the ti!e" $rior to ha&ing the body" but you
are confused because of the body consciousness0
C+ The body is there0
M0 Don.t ask 4uestions" just listen0 *ou need the co!$any of the Sages to
understand what I a! saying0 This knowledge cannot be understood by the
intellect0
C+ Is there sat(chit(ananda in the eternal state'
M0 The food essence is sattwa" and the 4uality of that is consciousness"
and inside that is the sat(chit(ananda )being(consciousness(bliss-0 The
eternal state is $rior to that0
C+ I ha&e read in the books that the !ain reason to be born is your own desire to be
born? how can it fit in with the state before birth'
M+0 *our birth is the result of the desire of your $arents0 C?
ow can I be released fro! bondage'
M0 There is no bondage at all" bondage is i!aginary0 If you are
oriented towards the consciousness all your 4uestions will be dissol&ed
by your Self0
C+ %hat is the obstacle to !y realiAing this'
M0 The only bondage is your constant !e!ory that you are the body0
C+ %ithout understanding fully what Maharaj is" still $eo$le co!e here0 %hy is
that'
M0 That is the union of knowledge and that $rinci$le which transcends
knowledge0 There is attraction between these two0 That is why $eo$le
fro! all o&er the world co!e here0
I a! intangible" you cannot add to !e or take away fro! !e0 I a!
full" co!$lete in all res$ects0 %hate&er you do" to !e" you will ha&e to
suffer yourself0 If you are angry with !e" you ha&e to suffer0 If you do
anything to !e" it will rebound u$on you0 If you s$it at the sky" the s$it
will fall on you only0
C+ %hat is the !aterial world created fro!'
M0 2ut of the !anifest consciousness" the !aterial world is created (
the eternal Parabrah!an" the eternal #rah!an" in which this $lay is
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always going on0 In that $lay you are the total" no se$arate identity
arises0 In the body is the taste of 3I 7!"3 ( when the body is gone" the
taste is gone0 %hen you ha&e so!e $roble! you refer to a book0 %hy
don.t you in&estigate yourself ( find out what you are0
In this $lay of the fi&e ele!ents" whate&er is seen or e/$erienced is
!erely enjoy!ent" and for this enjoy!ent" or entertain!ent" !ind is
&ery necessary0
C0 %hat are #rah!a" @ishnu" and the other 6ods'
M+ They are !erely a$$earances in consciousness0 Each a$$earance
has its own duration0 That duration !ay be for !illions of years" but
they are all a$$earances and ha&e an alloted s$an of e/istence0
The knower of the knowledge is not affected in any way by the
indi&idual ho$es" fears" etc0
7$ril :=" :;<:
Maharaj+ The 8n!anifest e&er e/ists but this !anifest knowingness
arises and de$arts0 Presently I do not ha&e any indi&iduality ( what is
a&ailable is only the consciousness for the e/$ression of which this !aterial
instru!ent is a&ailable0 This consciousness is not a &ery desirable thing"
it is an i!$erfect state0
There is no reason or law of cause and effect for the functioning of this
uni&ersal consciousness0 %hy so!ething ha$$ens at a $articular ti!e
cannot be e/$lained in this dualistic state0 %e can only watch the
functioning and cannot ask for any reason for any functioning which
takes $lace0 If we had the choice of taking on this body(
cu!consciousness" who would be foolish enough to acce$t it' It is
only because there has been no choice" e&erything has been
s$ontaneous0 The suffering also has to be taken on because it is $art of the
total functioning" and there is no entity who can $ick and choose0
There is no indi&iduality left? ne&ertheless" so long as this body is
$art of the total functioning" whate&er co!es in the total functioning has to
be suffered0 There is any a!ount of suffering in the total functioning ( this
body is one of the !illions of for!s and the share of this body fro! the
total suffering has to be e/$erienced0
nuestioner+ I a! trying to understand this0
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M0 *ou are hanging onto an entity that is trying to understand0 7ll of
this is si!$ly for the sake of co!!unication0 %ho is an entity trying to
understand what'
*ou are carrying on a lot of acti&ities because of certain conce$ts you
entertain" to satisfy the conce$ts that ha&e arisen s$ontaneously in you0 7ll
this $rocess of co!!unication" e/$ounding" etc0" will go on so long as this
conscious $resence is a&ailable" and all this !erely to satify the con(
ce$t 3I 7!"3 and you" the 7bsolute" are not the $ri!ary conce$t 3I 7!03
I a! telling you all this and $robably you like it" you enjoy it ( but it is
al!ost i!$ossible for you to assi!ilate or $ercei&e what I a! saying0 I a!
sure you ha&e not understood e/actly what I a! saying0 These are two
great $ersonalities" legal $undits0 #y co!ing here and listening to !y
talks how can they $ut to use their legal knowledge'
7$ril :F" :;<:
Cuestioner+ The disci$le is de&oted to the 6uru? is this not duality'
Maharaja In the world duality always e/ists0 Manifestation can only
take $lace in duality because of the identification with the body(!ind0 If the
6uru and the disci$le are not identified with the body" where does the
4uestion of duality arise' The $u$il and the 6uru are only knowledge and
there is no for! or design to knowledge0
C0 %e ha&e acce$ted that we are not the body" that we were ne&er born and cannot die"
but it see!s that so!ething is !issing? what is it'
M+ 6i&e !e a sa!$le of the one who has heard and acce$ted0 I assu!e
that those who listen to !e are knowledge0
7n ani!al e/ists only to a$$ease the hunger? is that all you are here
for' There !ust be a change in you after listening to !e all these days0
2ne has to know that one is not the for! but the consciousness which gi&es
sentience to the for!0 as this change really occurred'
C0 The 6uru e/$lains that the attach!ent to the 6uru is also a conce$t? how to get rid
of it' The sadhaka wants to $ay his res$ects to the 6uru all the ti!e0
M+ This is initial stage talk ( duality is there0 The sadhaka considers
6uru as so!ething other than hi!self" so he wants to $ay his res$ects0 The
sadhaka is also a 6uru" ajnani" there is no difference0
I a! still doing this $uja for !y 6uru0 It has to be !aintained for the
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :>:
guidance of others? unless you ha&e res$ect and lo&e for a 6uru the $rocess
of your beco!ing conce$t(free will not be hastened0 If you understand
what I say" only then do you co!e here0 If nobody co!es" I will not be
unha$$y? whate&er !ust ha$$en has already ha$$ened0
7$ril :J" :;<:
Cuestioner+ %ould realiAation be $ossible by hearing the truth fro! the 6uru or is
there any other way'
Maharaj+ No" only with the 6race and guidance of the 6uru0 The
6uru is the one who knows totally what is 4ualitati&e #rah!an and
non4ualitati&e" what is !undane !atter and what is s$iritual !atter0 *ou
are holding on to all these things you ha&e heard here as conce$ts0 *ou
don.t try to be that0 *ou like knowledge as a conce$t0
C+ Maharaj has said that the inner 6uru is !ore i!$ortant than the outer 6uru0 M+
In the initial stages you !ust ha&e an e/ternal 6uru0 That 6uru initiates
you with the inner 6uru0
C+ %hat are !antras for'
M0 7 !antra is indicati&e of the ai! or object in you0
C+ I a! a $hysician and I so!eti!es get attached to !y $atients and in&ol&ed in
their $roble!s0 So!eti!es I can be detached and not feel in&ol&ed" but !y $atients are
like warriors with their $roble!s and try to get !e in&ol&ed0 So!eti!es I feel like running
away0
M+ This is the knowledge of your conce$ts" this is not your knowledge0 To
feel that you are in&ol&ed in the world is a conce$t" to feel like running
away is a conce$t0
C0 If a $erson is &ery sincere and wants Self(realiAation !ore than anything else in
the world" is it easier for hi! if he goes away by hi!self and thinks of nothing but
that'
M0 Not at all0 It is not that you are going to ac4uire so!ething e/ternally"
the knowledge that you are is already there" only understand that0
This is all the $lay of conce$ts0 E&en to think that I a! going to get
the knowledge" or I ha&e got the knowledge" is still a conce$t0 Prior to
getting the knowledge" whate&er Is" That is the truth0
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C0 %hen so!eone asks Maharaj a &ery difficult 4uestion" where does the answer
co!e fro!'
M+ 2ut of the 4uestion the answer co!es? with e&ery 4uestion the
re$lies are attached0
May ;" :;<:
Cuestioner+ If there is a $ainful illness" does the jnani suffer it like anyone else'
Maharaj+ In the case of ajnani the !ind and intellect do not function0
They do not register what is being suffered" but the suffering is e&en
!ore intense because in the case of an indi&idual it is the body which
suffers0 In the case of ajnani it is the consciousness that suffers" so any(
thing that is e/$erienced in consciousness beco!es e/aggerated !any
ti!es !ore0 #ut you need not bother with this stage" because it is a rare
case0 In the case of ajnani the state is that of total disassociation fro! the
body(!ind0
7s an entity" a certain a!ount of disassociation with the body is a
$leasing state ( a state to which $eo$le look forward and acce$t0 In the
case of ajnani" the disassociation is further and total" therefore there is no
4uestion of any effect of such a state" $leasing or otherwise0 The result
is that there are no wants or desires0 This is the way in which I e/$erience (
I don.t know about others0
C0 Can Maharaj gi&e !e knowledge'
M0 8nderstand this+ ajnani cannot gi&e knowledge to anyone0 7ll he
can do is $oint to that which is your true nature0 %ith such a condition
offered here" I don.t know why $eo$le are attracted to this $lace0 There is
nothing I can gi&e anybody who co!es here0 The attraction to this $lace
is s$ontaneous and not understandable intellectually0
If what I ha&e been saying is clearly understood by anyone the effec(
ti&e result will be that e&en in the daily working of the indi&idual.s life
there will not be any s$ecific intention0 Things will continue in a sort of
ballbearing fashion ( without any deliberate intention or deliberate ac(
tion0 In !y own case" throughout the day the body carries out its nor!al
functions? things go on in a nor!al way and nothing is resisted0
Throughout the whole day there is no interest in understanding what is
ha$$ening0
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8$ until eight o.clock the intellect did not function? now I a! aware of
a little $erce$tion of !y intellect0
In the life of ajnani" nojnani will e/$ose this secret0 Not only will he
ha&e no desires or e/$ectations" but neither will he ha&e the attraction 3to
be03 The attraction of the consciousness to be is not there0 To ha&e any
ho$es" e/$ectations" etc0" one !ust ha&e an i!age" an identity0
May :=" :;<:
Maharaj+ That which you like !ost ( that itself is 3I 7!"3 the conscious
$resence ( but that is not going to last fore&er0
%hen this fla!e is e/tinguished" what is the $rofit or loss to the f
la!e' %hat does the fla!e re$resent'
Cuestioner+ The knowledge" the consciousness0
M0 %hat is going to ha$$en to that consciousness' 2nly in order to
realiAe it" to understand it" do we ha&e all this s$irituality0 %hen the
f la!e is e/tinguished it needs do nothing about itself0 Si!ilarly" under(
stand" when the body dro$s off and the consciousness is e/tinguished0
you need do nothing0 %ith this understanding" do what you like in the
world0
Presently you are tied down to the bondage of the body" and that is
conce$tual0 The &ery thought of any ad&antage or disad&antage is
dissol&ed when one realiAes this knowledge0
Bor the sake of that $rinci$le you are in&ol&ing yourself in !any
acti&ities0 %hen that &ery $rinci$le is dissol&ed into nothingness" what are
you going to do'
Don.t try to $ick and choose" and say 3this I !ust do and that I !ust
not do03 Don.t i!$ose such conditions on yourself0
7n ant crawls on your body and stings you? by that bite or sting you
know the ant is there0 Just so" the feeling of this conscious $resence 3I
7!3 is due to the !aterial body0
a&ing understood this" where is the $erson who should hold on to the
worldly life or should gi&e it u$' The 4uestion does not arise0
If you are fully charged with this knowledge" in s$ite of the worldly
difficulties no difficulties will touch you0
This cry$tic blunt talk will not be a&ailable elsewhere0 7t other
$laces you will be gi&en certain conce$ts arising out of consciousness and
out of those conce$ts !ore conce$ts are de&elo$ed" and you are !is(
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led0 7ny ty$e of conce$t in the real! of consciousness is unreal0 %ill the
world listen to such talks'
%hat are you' 7re you that birth $rinci$le" that body" which is born of
the secretion of the $arents'
The one who gets this knowledge is free fro! worldly or fa!ily $rob(
le!s0
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Maharaj+ The !aterial of which the body is constituted is getting weary
and weak" and along with it" this knowledge is also getting weak0 The
sense of $resence is still with !e because that !aterial of which the body is
!ade still has a little strength0 %hen that little strength goes away" then
the consciousness will also disa$$ear" then there will be no sense of
$resence ( but I shall &ery !uch be" without the sense of $resence0
Each of you is trying to $rotect yourself0 %hat is it that you are trying
to $rotect' owe&er !uch you !ay $rotect" how long will it last' 6o" to the
root and find out what it is that you are trying to $rotect and $reser&e"
and how long it will re!ain0
The only.s$iritual way of understanding your true nature is to find out
the source of this conce$t 3I 7!03 #efore the sense of $resence arri&ed I was
in that state in which the conce$t of ti!e was ne&er there0 So" what is born'
It is the conce$t of ti!e and that e&ent which is birth" li&ing" and death
together constitute nothing but ti!e" duration0
2nce you understand this" e&erything will be clear? until you
understand it" nothing will be clear0 Is this not si!$le and easy'
Cuestioner+ %ords are si!$le" but a$$rehending what those words !ean will be
difficult0
M+ %hat is it in the absence of which you would not be able to
understand e&en the words' 6o to the root of that source0
In a$$rehending what I ha&e told you this !orning" the intellect is
totally i!$otent0 There !ust be an intuiti&e a$$rehension of it0
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Maharaja Peo$le don.t really understand what I say0 They $artially
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understand and for! their own conce$ts" but the real Self knowledge is
not there0
Su$$ose there is a seed which is going to $roduce a great tree0 If you cut
that seed you !ust be able to see the tree in the seed0
The tree which I got is that seed which is called the seed of birth"
when I broke it o$en I got the Self knowledge0 2ther than Self knowledge"
what other ca$ital do I ha&e'
I ha&e !et so !any so(called jnanis" but the real one" who has seen the
tree in the seed" I ha&e not seen so far0
In the ad&anced stages what ha$$ens to the intellect' To the
disa$$earance of the intellect at old age" there is a witness0 ow can you
describe that witness'
Cuestioner+ Thoughts and e!otions are always arising and distracting !e0 %hat
shall I do'
M0 *ou are before any thought can arise0 7ll thoughts" etc0" which arise
are !erely !o&e!ents in consciousness0
2nce consciousness arises" e&erything arises ( the world and all the
transactions in the world0 Merely witness the!0 It takes $lace" there is no
indi&idual to0 witness0 %itnessing takes $lace of the total functioning of the
uni&ersal consciousness0
#ecause I totally negate the indi&idual" this will a$$eal only to one in a
!illion0
C+ There are so !any $eo$le who are thoroughly dissatisfied" always searching for
so!ething and ne&er satisfied0 %hy is that'
M0 *ou will ne&er be satisfied until you find out that you are what you
are seeking0 If you want knowledge as an indi&idual" you will not get it
here0 If you are satisfied with this knowledge" you !ay co!e and sit still0 If
you cannot acce$t this negating of yourself" you !ay lea&e0 I will
understand" it will not affect !e0
That which has ne&er ha$$ened at all" that is the child of a barren
wo!an ( what fear can you ha&e for that' It is i!agined" unreal0 2ut of
that hallucination" if so!ebody wants so!ething" is it not seeking the real
in the totally unreal'
C0 If it were real then we could do so!ething about it0
M0E Correct0 *ou see so!ething" that is true" but what you see is an
illusion" like a drea!0 %hat we see in a drea! see!s &ery real" but we
know that it is unreal0
In s$ite of understanding all this" still it is difficult to gi&e u$ this
for! identity of a !ale or a fe!ale0
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%ithout the for!" the knowledge cannot be gi&en0 Bor the 7bsolute to
!anifest Itself" the !atter !ust be there0 The 7bsolute un!anifested and
the !anifested are not two ( it is !erely the e/$ression of It" like the
shadow and the substance0
This lo&e of being is not of an indi&idual being" it is the nature of the
entire uni&ersal consciousness0
June ::" :;<:
)Morning-
Maharaj+ It is only when the identity with the body(!ind has been
fir!ly rejected and identity with the consciousness has been thoroughly
established that what I say will ha&e any !eaning0
%hat you are is the unli!ited" which is not susce$tible to the senses0 #y
li!iting yourself to the body you ha&e closed yourself to the unli!ited
$otential which you really are0
In !editation it is consciousness which !editates on itself and
re!ains within itself0
If you acce$t what I ha&e told you" then you do not take deli&ery of
what is ha$$ening s$ontaneously in the world" and you are not concerned
with either the cause or the effect0 *ou then acce$t your true nature0
%hate&er actions take $lace through the body will take $lace
inde$endently of that which you really are0
#ear in !ind that when this life force )that which is the breath and
consciousness- lea&es the body" it will not seek $er!ission fro! any(
thing0 It ca!e s$ontaneously and will lea&e s$ontaneously? that is all
that ha$$ens in that which is called death0 There is no one who is born or
who will die0
Cuestioner+ 7s I understand it" the $ur$ose of life is !erely to understand that
what has been !anifested and what is functioning is the uni&ersal consciousness0
2ther than understanding" there is nothing to be done0 Is this correct'
M+ Correct0 E&erything is s$ontaneous" auto!atic" natural" it is only the
conce$t of !e and !ine that is the bondage0
%hen si!$le $eo$le like you are here" I a! at $eace" not disturbed" but
when $eo$le co!e who consider the!sel&es jnanis" who ha&e the $ride
of knowledge and wish to show off their knowledge" then there is
disturbance0
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C0 This is a &ery high kind of knowledge" at a &ery high le&el? until it is absorbed
what should an ordinary !an do'
M+ So long as there is rece$ti&ity" a dee$ desire to understand it" there is
nothing to be done0 The knowledge itself will result in whate&er is to
result0 It is not !ental or intellectual caliber that is re4uired" but an
intuiti&e sense of discri!ination0
So" now you are not the body" ha&ing acce$ted it" can you continue
to identify with the body'
C0 Do body and !ind ha&e an i!$ortance'
M0 E&erything has its i!$ortance0
C Must we not take care of the body'
M0 2ne takes care of so!ething with which one identifies" but you ha&e
nothing to do with body(!ind any!ore" so why are you concerned in
taking care of the!'
%hen you are the s$ace you are no !ore the body" but whate&er is
contained in the s$ace" and the s$ace" you are0 *ou are now !anifest
whate&er is known ( the s$ace0 This s$ace is known by chidakash0 %hen you
are the chidakash you are subtler than the $hysical s$ace" e/$ansi&e(
ness is !ore0 7 jnani transcends in &arious stages these subtleties" skies"
s$aces0 In chidakash he is still confined" still conditioned by thinking 3I
7!"3 therefore the ne/t is Para!akash0 Para!akash is the highest" in
which there are other akashes ( se&en0 In chidakash this knowingness is 3I
7!03 In Para!akash there is no is or is not" It transcends e&erything0.
June ::" :;<: )E&ening-
Cuestioner+ %hat is lo&e' Does it fu ::: a need or $leasure'
Maharaja *es0 %hen you see so!ething and you like it" this liking is lo&e for
that object0 %hen anger and frustration arise" that too is $art of lo&e0 It is
4uite good and &ery bad also0 7ll the e/$eriences of suffering are the result
of lo&e0 Bind out what is the re4uisite for all this $lay of lo&e and hate0 It is
that lo&e for beingness" e/istence" which gi&es rise to all $ain and
!iseries0 *ou ha&e to face it because you lo&e to be0 Prior to any lo&e"
that lo&e for being is there0 It tastes both the 4ualities of lo&e and
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!isery" $leasure and $ain0 Take the case of this fla!e )of the cigarette
lighter- it gi&es the light" the war!th" and it can also burn0
C0 Can I be away fro! it'
M0 %hat are you that wants to be away fro! it' If you are a$art fro!
!e I can kee$ you out of !e" but whate&er is is not a$art fro! !e0
%hat is the 3you3 that has s$routed" that has taken root' That alone is
the cause of $leasure and $ain0
%hen you understand this" it is all o&er ( finished0 Then you do
so!e cla$$ing" shout and screa! out of e/uberance? all the show is o&er0
The knowledge I a! gi&ing is going to dis$el all the so(called knowledge
you ha&e0
7jnani is subtle like the s$ace0 %hat is the s$ace like' *ou assu!e
there is the sky ( what is it like' This knowledge is subtler than the
s$ace0 The father of the s$ace is the knowledge 3I 7!03
C+ ow do you know consciousness'
M0 The way you started knowing yourself (e/actly the sa!e way0
%hen you know that you are it will be the sa!e as ac4uiring yourself(
ne&ertheless" you were all along" were you not' %hat is the use of con(
cluding logically' *ou !ust say right here and now ( here he is ( in
actuality0
C0 %hy does Maharaj take such an interest in !e then'
M0 %ho is taking an interest in who!' %ho is ha&ing the doershi$ of
that' It is all ha$$ening s$ontaneously0
June :F" :;<:
Maharaj+ In co!!on s$iritual $arlance knowledge !eans re$eating
what you ha&e heard ( $resentation of intelligence0 They think it is
s$iritual" but no one tries to find out what he is" does not look at hi!self0
%hen a boy and girl get !arried they are intensely interested in each
other" si!ilarly" when one gets !arried to s$irituality one is always
occu$ied with thoughts or deliberations concerning s$irituality0
7re you the blood flowing inside" are you the skin" the bones' *ou
are not0 %hen you in&estigate thus and co!e to understand that you are
not the body" you will eli!inate e&erything (whate&er you are not0
Binally" what will you be' Co!e to this $oint0
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*ou are so !uch addicted to the things which you learn by heart" the
rituals" the bhajans" etc0" that unless you recite the! e&ery day you will not
get any satisfaction of feeling ha$$y0
These ritualistic $ractices are gi&en for the ignorant" to kee$ their
body(!ind busy" but ha&ing the body(!ind is to know that you are and it
has no na!e or for!0
These is no 4uestion of $leasure or $ain" nor fear of death" for one
who understands0 If one identifies with the body then one is caught u$ in
the relations related to the body0
My words are few and short" but they are &ery effecti&e0 There are
!any &olu!es written about s$irituality which do not destroy your con(
ce$ts" but add to the!0 7ll the &olu!es do not tell you what you are0
Cuestioner+ %hat is !eant by chin!ayananda and sat(chit(ananda'
M0E Peo$le so!eti!es dance when they sing bhajans" they lose the!(
sel&es" so that state is called chin!ayananda0 To ha&e that chin!ayananda" the
first touch of consciousness is necessary0 7nanda !eans bliss" and this is
a 4uality of !ind ( a higher real! of the !ind ( but $resent in
the consciousness0 The $rere4uisite is the kiss of consciousness which is
necessary for that highest state of e/ultation or e/hilaration" that is
chin!ayananda and sat(chit(ananda0
I ha&e co!e to the fir! conclusion that I a! nothing" I ha&e no
design" no color" I ha&e no i!age of !yself0
In the early !orning when the waking state ha$$ens" that kiss of
beingness a$$ears" &ibrant in the entire uni&erse" and &ibrating in
!yself0 7lso I obser&e this sa!e thing when I take rest in the afternoon0
#ut if you want to judge !e at a $hysical le&el" I a! not able to lift this
$ot of water" that is how !uch strength is left in the body" but that touch of
all the &ibrant uni&erse ( that is the touch of !y 3I 7!ness03
I a! the knower of the #rah!an" I a! the #rah!anjnani" ne&erthe(
less" this touch of beingness is !isery only0
June :J" :;<:
Maharaj+ 2nce the knowledge has dawned in you" you are a jnani" you are
no !ore a hu!an $erson0 *ou are the !anifest #rah!an" Chetana" the
dyna!ic !anifest #rah!an0
Earlier your thoughts used to be connected with the body and the
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relati&es of the body" but ha&ing gotten disassociated fro! the body(
!ind and established in the state of dyna!ic consciousness" what could be
the 4uality of your thoughts' *our thoughts will be !ore subtle" if there
are any thoughts0 Ne&ertheless" this dyna!ic consciousness is the 4uality
of the food body0 So long as the body is" the consciousness is0
%hate&er you talk and recei&e in the !orning" you will continue
re$eating until you fall into slee$? nobody in4uires at this le&el ( all this
functioning ( how does it ha$$en' %hat is the 4uality of this functioning
and how does it occur' %hat are you' In4uire into it0
2nly a few $eo$le are ca$able of understanding this0 That is why I
send $eo$le away ( because it is of no use" just listening to words ( but if
that fir! faith is there what I say will dawn in the!0 The inade4uacies of
the intellect should be !ade u$ by this &ery strong faith0
#eingness is there" the consciousness is there" and because it is there"
the world is there0 %hen the consciousness only $re&ails" when $eo$le
talk" I don.t understand? only the conscious $resence is felt and not the
details of what is ha$$ening0 #ecause of the conscious $resence you
count !e as $resent? if the consciousness is not there" you will say I a!
not $resent0
June :K" :;<:
LThe 4uestioner was 4uoting scri$tures right and left0M
Maharaj+ The !o!ent the waking state starts the worshi$$ing of
!isery begins0 %hen did you ha&e the first birth'
Cuestioner+ I don.t know anything about it0
M0 Then how do you acce$t this about the 8lti!ate' This is not your
direct e/$erience" it is borrowed knowledge fro! books0 ow can you
acce$t what is not your direct e/$erience'
There was a robbery in Delhi" the $olice !ay arrest you here and accuse
you of it0 a&e you e&er been to Delhi'
C+ No0
M0 Then why did you acce$t this birth' %hat are shastras or scri$tures' It
is !erely the do.s and don.ts on how we should beha&e in the world0 Don.t
bring that here0 %hether you acce$t this birth or not was the origi(
nal 4uestion0 %hy bring in all this tall talk' ,eading scri$tures is all
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right for the ignorant0 The ne/t ste$ is to gi&e it u$ and try to understand
what you are0
Shake off all that you ha&e read and try to understand now0 *ou
!ust a$$ly( your discri!ination0 It is of no use just blindly acce$ting
what the scri$tures ha&e said0 7cce$t the! u$ to a certain stage ( after
that you !ust be strong enough or !ature enough to use your discri!i(
nation0 Peo$le !o&e about in search of knowledge but they are caught
u$ in the tra$ of words and in the fond conce$ts de&elo$ed by so(called
Sages0 7 certain Sage will ask you to beha&e in one way? you go to
another Sage and he will ha&e you beha&e in another way0 Thus you are
caught u$ in the conce$ts of others0 There is the story of a rishi in the
scri$tures who drank the waters of the se&en oceans in one handful ( are
you going to belie&e this' E!$loy your discri!ination0 *ou s$eak of
acharana" the code of beha&ior? charana !eans the one who has to bc0+a&e0
charana !eans only 3I lo&e3 state" 3I 7!3 state" the state of consciousness"
the feeling of being" without words0 Bro! that condition the !o&e!ent
in consciousness begins0
Hoki and aloki+ loki we nor!ally take as worldly? lok !eans &arious
$ersonalities0 %hate&er is $rescribed by the $ersonality is Hoki" or
whate&er is followed by the $eo$le0 7loki is transcending the worldly0 7loki"
it is not known to you0 These de&otees lo&e !e" but they don.t understand
!e in the aloki s$here0
S$iritual talk is lokic talk" co!!on talk" trying to gi&e an i!age to
others0 ere there is no i!age or design ( now" how can you beco!e
one with that' *ou ha&e to ha&e an i!age or design0 %hate&er knowl(
edge we talk about has to be co!!unicated by words" but that is not the
8lti!ate0
*ou want to $ossess knowledge" to collect knowledge0 Such knowledge
is $lentiful and a&ailable in the world" but a rare $erson will understand
that such knowledge is a bundle of ignorance0
*ou will !ake a study of those conce$ts which eru$t fro! you? those
conce$ts which you do not like will not occur to you0 If you are interested in
s$iritual li&ing" your thoughts and conce$ts will relate to that0
I ha&e said what I ha&e to say0 There is no 4uestion of saying anything
!ore0 #ecause you co!e here I treat you with courtesy" but I a! fully
con&inced that you and I ha&e no design0 I a! afraid that what I say will
not reach your real core? therefore you do bhajans0 7s a !atter of fact" you
should not &isit !e at all0
#hishwa was on a bed of arrows in his last days? I a! also on a bed of
arrows of suffering0
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June DI" :;<:
Maharaj+ Bor those who are sitting here the benefit you get will not be
different fro! the benefit you get sitting under the shade of se&eral thickly
lea&ed trees0 Sitting under the trees there is a certain a!ount of $eace and
the feelings of well(being0 Stay in $eace0
My teachings are e!anating out of this consciousness0 It is like a big
shady tree for rela/ation? you co!e here and sit and feel the rela/ation" but
you are not able to say what it is like0 In that state you are not able to
e/$lain by words0 *ou are in a rela/ed state but the dee$er !eaning is
re&eling in the Self" abiding and subsiding in the Self ( that is why you
feel rela/ed and ha$$y0
%hate&er sentences you hear in this state will not be forgotten0
Swartha ( swa !eans Self and artha ( !eaning0 Swartha has great
!eaning0 Swartha !eans selfishness and swa !eans the !eaning of the
Self0 %ords ha&e !eaning in the $ractical world which will !ake you
selfish" but the words which e!anate here will gi&e you the !eaning of
your own Self0
L7 !other andson ca!e and garlanded Maharaj and distributed $rasad to e&eryone
$resent0M
M0 The dee$ state of si!$le" innocent $eo$le co!es to fruition in this
fashion0 She $rayed that her son would $ass the e/a!ination0 er own
faith worked0
If you enjoy this rela/ed state here" and if you beco!e one with this
state" you will also transcend this state0 *ou will e&en transcend into a
state $rior to the birth of 6ods0
%ith this understanding" do what you like0 Carry out your worldly
acti&ities0 %hen you understand the !eaning of swa ( the Self ( there
will be no roo! for selfishness0
8nderstand this thoroughly" abide in it" then in due course you will
realiAe it0 %hen the ti!e is ri$e" only then it will ha$$en0
%hat is your worth' *ou are the consciousness through which the
world is e/$ressed0 7bide in that worthiness0 Don.t ste$ down into !ind
and the body0 7gain" you !ust ha&e the fir! con&iction that you are un(
affected by birth and death0 *ou are like s$ace" not only like s$ace" you
are $rior to s$ace0
That 8lti!ate you can ne&er be lost0 %hate&er you ha&e lost" you
ha&e lost only the words0 "
I ha&e told you enough and whate&er you ha&e heard" retain it"
deliberate o&er it" $onder o&er it" and be one with that0
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July :" :;<:
Cuestioner+ Dee$ slee$ is no(knowing0 The 7bsolute is beyond knowingness and
no(knowingness0 I do not understand0
Maharaja To start with" a child is born+ the infant does not know itself"
the reactions of hunger" thirst" etc0" take $lace0 These are $hysical
things" when life is there" but inside that state knowingness has not
de&elo$ed or !atured fully0 7fter one or two years it co!es to know
itself" the !other" etc0 %hen the child knows itself" its knowingness has
started0
Prior to that it is ignorance" although it is no(knowingness" it is ig(
norance0 Then the knowledge 3I 7!3 is attained+ it does not know who it
is but it knows it is so!ething0 Hater on the child starts collecting conce$ts
and ideas which other $eo$le feed it and de&elo$s certain conce$ts or i!(
ages about itself and others0 The !ind has de&elo$ed0 Then co!es dee$
slee$ and the waking state" the daily cycle0 In the waking state" in what(
e&er state of !ind you are" you know the world" together with your con(
ce$ts and then you fall into slee$0 Now" technically" you can call that
dee$ slee$ no(knowingness0 #ut this is not that no(knowingness beyond
which the 7bsolute lies0
Het us $roceed again fro! the child0 Ignorance" knowingness"
accu!ulation of conce$ts" !eeting the 6uru0 The 6uru tells you" 36et rid
of conce$ts" just be yourself03 So" when you are" onlyyou are0 This is the f
irst ste$+ to abide in the consciousness that you are" without words
that
is knowledge0 %hen the child started knowing itself there was also
knowledge ( but that is a general knowledge and is co!!on to all0 This
beco!es s$iritual now0 The seeker" ha&ing understood what the 6uru
said" gets rid of the conce$ts" and now" as the first ste$" the seeker dwells in
the state 3I 7!"3 just being0
Birst of all there is the knowingness 3I 7!"3 without words? with that
knowingness the world is0 Now when the seeker goes into !editation" that
knowingness goes into no(knowingness0 This is the highest in the
hierarchy when the body as$ect is there because this knowing and no(
knowing are as$ects of the body" and body !eans consciousness" and in the
real! of consciousness knowingness and no(knowingness e/ist0
The 7bsolute transcends knowingness and no(knowingness0 So"
noknowingness is the highest in the hierarchy of s$irituality" and the
destination is transcendence of knowingness and no(knowingness0
C+ I thought no(knowingness !eans the 7bsolute0
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M+ 1nowingness and no(knowingness are the e/$ressions of the bodily
consciousness0 %hen this food instru!ent body" together with the
consciousness is totally transcended ( that is the 7bsolute0
The light is there" the darkness is there" but what is the background'
The s$ace0 The s$ace is there which is neither the light nor the dark" but
the s$ace is0 *ou ha&e to transcend light and darkness to abide in s$ace0
Si!ilarly" one has to transcend the knowingness and no(knowingness (
the as$ects of bodily consciousness0 If you ha&e reached that state you are
watching consciousness and no(consciousness0 That is called natural
sa!adh+" or sahaja sa!adhi0
Naturally you are in that state" but this $sychoso!atic instru!ent of
body and consciousness is always a&ailable0 The !o!ent so!ebody
co!es the instru!ent is being o$erated ( otherwise you re&ert to the
7bsolute0 It is so!ething like this+ in a big hall there is a door" and in the
door is a $ee$ hole0 That $ee$ hole is the consciousness" but you are at
the back0
Su$$ose that those s$ace shi$s are going u$ fro! the earth+ when
you are in the s$ace you feel that you ha&e esca$ed the earth" but it is not so
(you are still under the influence of the earthly at!os$here0 *ou !ust
go further into the s$ace where there is no at!os$here0 #ut where is the
thought of your going there' It is not like that ( you are truly the
7bsolute and these are all the co&erings you ha&e gotten0
*ou know you are but you forget that you are and that forgetfulness is
no(knowingness" which is the highest state0 *ou can ne&er describe it by
words? that state is ne&er ca$tured by words0
8nderstanding is necessary and you should not get confused0 Su$(
$ose you li&e in a state of knowingness+ you should not think that you are
ajnani already si!$ly because your knowingness recei&es !any $owers
in that state0 *ou !ight think you are ajnani" but it is not so ( it is si!$ly
the first ste$0 There are a lot of allure!ents at that stage0 %hen you are
only being" without words" you are $owerful0 6i&e u$ the $owers" don.t
$ossess the!0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :JJ
6lossary
7d&aita+ Non(dualis!0 The doctrine which contends that only the 7b(
solute ( the ulti!ate $rinci$le" has e/istence" and that all $heno!e(
nal e/istence is illusion0
7dya+ Pri!ordial? original0
7gni+ Bire0
7ha!+ I? the ego0
7jnana+ Ignorance0
7kasha+ Ether? the sky0
7nanda+ #liss? ha$$iness? joy0
7rati+ Di&ine ser&ice $erfor!ed in the early !orning or at dusk0
7sana+ Posture? seat0
7shra!+ er!itage0
7t!a" 7t!an+ The Self0
7&atar+ Di&ine incarnation0
#haga&an+ The Hord0
#hajan+ De&otional $ractice? worshi$0
#hakta+ De&otee0
#hakai+ De&otion? lo&e0
#ea+ Seed? source0
#rah!an+ 6od as creator0
#rah!a(randhra+ 2$ening in the crown of the head? fontanelle0
#uddhi+ Intellect0
Chaitanya+ Consciousness0
Chakra+ Ple/us0
Chidakasha+ Mental ether )all($er&ading-0
Chit+ 8ni&ersal consciousness0
Chitta+ Mind stuff0
Darshan+ @iewing? seeing0
De&a+ Di&ine being0
Dhar!a+ Code of conduct0
6ana$ati+ 7 indu deity? success(bestowing as$ect of 6od0
6ayatri+ Sacred @edic !antra0
6ita+ Song0
6una+ Cuality born of nature? attribute0
6uru+ Teacher? $rece$tor0
anu!an+ 7 $owerful deity? the son of the %ind 6od? a great de&otee
of Sri ,a!a? the fa!ous !onkey who hel$ed ,a!a in his fight with
,a&ana0
:JI 9 P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS
iranyagarbha+ Cos!ic intelligence? cos!ic !ind? cos!ic egg0
Iswara+ 6od0
Ja$a+ ,e$etition of 6od.s na!e? re$etition of a !antra0
Ja&a+ The indi&idual soul0
Jnana+ 1nowledge0
Jnani+ The knower0
1al$ana+ I!agination of the !ind0
1a!a+ Desire? lust0
1ar!a+ 7ction0
1arta+ Doer0
1endra+ Center? heart0
1osa+ Sheath0
1riya+ Physical action0
1u!bhaka+ ,etention of breath0
1undalini+ The $ri!ordial cos!ic energy located in the indi&idual0
Hayer+ Dissolution? !erging0
Hila+ Play" s$ort0
Hinga+ Sy!bol0
Maha+ 6reat0
Mahasa!adhi0 The death of a s$iritual $rece$tor0
Mahatta&a+ The great $rinci$le0
Mana+ Mind? the thinking faculty0
Manana+ Constant thinking? reflection? !editation0
Manolaya+ In&olution and dissolution of the !ind into its cause0
Mantra+ Sacred syllable or word or set of words0
Marga+ Path or road0
Mauna or Mouna+ Silence0
Maya+ The illusi&e $ower of #rah!an? the &eiling and $rojection of the
uni&erse0
Mu!ukshu+ Seeker after liberation0
Muni+ 7 sage? an austere $erson0
Na!a+ Na!e0
Na!aru$a+ Na!e and for!? the nature of the world0
Neti(Neti+ 3Not this" not this3? negating all na!es and for!s in order to
arri&e at the underlying truth0
Nirguna+ %ithout attributes0
Nisarga+ Nature? the natural state0
Pandit+ 7 learned !an? a scholar
Para+ Su$re!e0
Parabrah!an+ The Su$re!e? the 7bsolute0
Para!at!an+ The Su$re!e Self0
P,I2, T2 C2NSCI28SNESS 9 :JK
Prajna+ igher consciousness? awareness0
Prakriti+ Causal !atter? cos!ic substance0
Prang+ @ital energy? life breath0
Pre!a+ Di&ine lo&e0
Puja+ %orshi$0
Pu!a+ Bull? co!$lete? infinite0
Purusha or Purusa+ The Self which abides in the heart of all things? the
cos!ic s$irit0
,ajas+ 2ne of the three as$ects of cos!ic energy? $assion? restlessness?
acti&ity0 2ne of the gunas0
Sadhaka+ S$iritual as$irant0
Sadhana+ S$iritual $ractice0
Sagunabrah!an+ The 7bsolute concei&ed of as endowed with 4ualities0
Sakti or Shakti+ Power? energy? force0
Sa!adhi+ 2neness? here the !ind beco!es identified with the object of
!editation0
Sa!sara+ The $rocess of worldly life0
Sa!skara+ I!$ression0
Sankal$a+ Thought? desire? i!agination0
Sat+ E/istence? being0
Sat(Chit(7nanda E/istence(knowledge(bliss0
Satsang+ 7ssociation with the wise0
Satca or Sattwa+ Hight? $urity0
Siddha+ 7 $erfected *ogi0
Siddhi+ Psychic $ower0
Swaru$a+ Essence? essential nature? one.s own for!0
To!as+ Darkness? inertia? one of the guns0
8$anishad+ 1nowledge $ortion of the @edas0
@ac or *ak+ S$eech0
@asana+ Subtle desire0
@ayu? The %ind 6od? air? &ital breath0
@eda+ 7 scri$ture of the indus0
@edanta+ The end of the @edas0
@ichara+ In4uiry into the nature of the Self0
@ijnana+ Princi$le of $ure intelligence0 @ritti+
Thought(wa&e? !ental !odification0
*oga+ 8nion? the $hiloso$hy of the sage Paranjali teaching the union
of the indi&idual with 6od0
*ogi+ 2ne who is an ade$t in *oga0