November 12, 2014 7:20 p.m, Special Agent Asst. U. S. Attorney DOI Atty, Or. Or. Unintelligible SA oR. SA AUSA oR. AUSA oR, AUSA oR. AUSA oR. AUSA pr. AUSA oR. Today is November 12, 2014, the time is 7:20 and we're at the FBI building in St. Louis, 2222 Market Street and in the room is Assistant United States Attorney and DOJ Attorney and if you could state your name and spelling it. Okay. Alright Dr. ah, thanks for meeting with us tonight. Um, | ah, just briefly before we get into the actual a autopsy, your findings regarding the injuries to Michael Brown. Ab, it’s ah, my understanding, ah that you tum, you have a pretty high opinion of the St. Louis County Medical Examiner's offce just from what I've seen and statements you've given, etc. Do you have any experience with that office prior to this case? Well, I've-I've had experience with Uh huh. | really don’t know the person that did this autopsy but | (stutters) she’s avery ah, fine forensic pathologist. Alright, and she’s ah the a head medical examiner there... The Chief Medical Examiner. right, yes right. nin St. Louis. Okay, alright. Have you deale with her before? um... r, do you know her just by reputation? No-no-no. I know her from meetings and over the years I've had some kind of cases involving St. Louis County including, well a-a recently some ah, case with the Coleman case in which a, a wife and two children were 1AUSA oR. AUSA oR, AUSA oR. AUSA pr. AUSA pr. AUSA pr. AUSA pr. AUSA oR, killed. |...and somehow was within the Illinais-St. Louis major Crime Squad jurisdiction. Alright. ‘And we had some tangential ah, um, contacts with them. Okay, and so, you know Dr. the Chief Medical Examiner? Yes. ‘And, you've had good experience with her? Yeah. Alright. Yes. ‘And ah, I think you've described her as-as excellent or ah, asa first rate. Is that fair? ‘Ah, she’s..yes. She's good. Okay, alright. Um, | understand today you had the opportunity to review some additional items that you hadn't reviewed previously. Yes. Lum, in connection with this ease. Can | ask what it was that you reviewed? | reviewed the um, photographs and x-rays of the decedent taken by the medical examiner office personnel, some microscopic slides that they created. What were the slides? Ah, there were slides of um, one of the gunshot wounds with the right palmer gunshot wound skin and um, then there was also slides of tissue removed from the police car and-and they made it into microscopic slides and then I went over to the um, police headquarters where they have a, crimes labs and things and reviewed their photos of the autopsy which were much better ah, and um, the clothing of um, Mr. Brown that was kept there and ah, um, um so that was largely at the clothing and the um the photographs. This-this is with the disk...this is what | was looking at just before you came. Ah, they had taken photographsAUSA pr. AUSA pr. AUSA oR. AUSA oR. AUSA pr. SA DR. AUSA before the autopsy. And the ones at the medical examiner's office were after the autopsy so then they were taken...they took lots of ‘em. ‘And you had not-you had not had ah, at-at...you had not reviewed those things prior to today? had no opportunity to see them previously and um, til-til today. Either in the medical examiner's office or in the police department. Alright. ‘And, | had no opportunity to look at the clothes which ah-which ah they have in the police department. Okay. And, so you saw those things today. Yes. Alright. Um, you've um, ah, in-in previous statements and again I..as-as I've told you | don’t intend to get into ah, every ya know, statement that’s been in the media or anything like that but in previous statements you've mentioned that you're aware obviously that ah, the Department of Justice requested that a third autopsy after the one that you conducted? Yes, I'm aware of that. Alright, and did-did you have any opinion about that or itit just based ‘on your experience that-that-that’s sort of a..is that something you've come across before where you've had three autopsies in a single case or. Yeah, in fact with the FBI that-that, down in New Orleans a time ago and ah, from the AFIP ah, people. Ah, it-s-it-s.it's unusual to have three autopsies but it-it-it can happen and um, and a lot depends on the individual...1 don’t know who did the ah, third autopsy but a city like St. Louis; a city like New York sees lots of shooting cases. F the um... a AFIP or whoever they-they use I don’t know, doesn’t see too many so it’s ah, it..ah, hom...federal homicides aren't that common, ‘And when you say AFIP you mean Armed Forces Institute of Pathology? Yeah, that's what usually, they used to get people to come down it depends...they have some good people and some not so good people that. Uh huh.