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Cute Girls in Class
by Chase Amante
Wednesday, 21 November 2012
Whether you're working your way through college or a master's program or you're
taking adult education classes on the side in another language or a new skill you'd like
to get down, you've probably run into girls in class you liked at some point or another.
Heck, maybe even in most of the classes you've taken you've run into a few!
And if you have, you've probably also run into the scenario common to most guys
who've had cute girls in their classes:
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attend... but that was about it. Wouldn't it be great if you could actually meet these pretty
girls in class and date them?
A lot of the advice out there centers on getting you flirting with girls in class... eye
contact, teasing, and all that jazz. To me though, that's a big waste of time. ANYBODY
can flirt with a girl in one of his classes... what we want to get youdoing is asking them
OUT.
So let's get you asking them out.
You'd think it'd be easier to meet girls in class than somewhere random, like a street or a
nightclub. Or than some alcohol-infused mish-mosh like an apartment party or dorm
room shebang.
But if you're like most guys, it's the opposite. Classrooms are a lot harder to meet girls
in than the alternative.
It's weird. There you are, and there she is... you see each other every day... you like her,
she likes you. Easy, right?
Well... not exactly.
Similar to what we talked about with "regulars" in the article on gym pickup, girls in
your class effectively function as "regulars" in that environment, too - they're slowgame social circle prospects that it's often difficult to move fast with.
But why?
There are several reasons:
Most of the value you show her during class you show her indirectly. She
sees you impressively answering the teacher, for instance, or she laughs at one of your
jokes you tell a classmate or the class; or she marvels at your sense of style, or
impeccable posture, or attractive, resonant voice. Because it's indirect, it's harder for
her to let you know she likes you - she can't well say she's impressed by your voice
when you haven't been talking to her; she'll feel like she's chasing you.
Despite you being in the same class together, there often isn't a social
context. In other words, you don't often have a good reason to speak to one another.
Her heart might be throbbing for you, and yours for her, and you might even be
an expert at talking to girls outside of class, but because there's no easy, readilyavailable situational reason for the two of you to start talking, you never do.
There's hardly any time to talk before or after class, and you can't
talkduring class. Before class, she isn't there, or you aren't there, or the two of you are
sitting far apart. After class, everybody leaves. And during class, well... that's when
the teacher's talking, not you. So again, you and the girls in class you like never talk.
Class is "luck of the draw." You might end up in a class filled with beauties, or
you might end up in one filled with guys who like engineering, anime, and video games.
Aside from selecting classes more likely to have attractive women in them, you have
little control over whom you're going to get in your classes, and that's doubly true if
you're in university taking required courses.
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That instant social circle deal we mentioned above. I'll go into this one more
in-depth here.
The luck-of-the-draw element in classes can mess with your head if you aren't meeting
new women more regularly on your own. I can remember classes in college where I'd
start thinking some girl in one of my classes was really hot, just because she was the
prettiest girl in class. I'd be having all these fantasies about her and what have
you. Then I'd run into her outside of class and realize that, compared to all
the other girls out and about, she was really nothing special.
Classrooms are dangerous like that. Suddenly you start highly valuing some girl that
you really wouldn't value nearly as high outside that single classroom, and you act
weird and do the wrong stuff.
What I really want to talk about here is the "instant social circle" problem.Social
circle is a different approach to meeting women than cold approach, which is the main
thing advocated here and what I suggest you do to liberate yourself from ever having
any limitations on your dating life ever again. If you want to be free, you need to cold
approach, plain and simple.
Many guys never will, because it's too intimidating, but once you get going on it and
start racking up experience and it stops being scary and weird, it truly is freedom for
your love life.
Back to social circle. Sometimes, you can leverage social circle to get yourself a lot of
fast lays with a lot of attractive women who might otherwise be difficult to get through
your cold approaching.
For instance, Ricardus at one point had himself well-established in the social circle of
some popular local music celebrities who'd always hang out in the VIP section of the
nightclubs in town, and they'd always have a constant stream of new and beautiful
women coming through. Ricardus, who was just some guy who was friends with the
music stars, as far as the girls were concerned, would just hang out and pick up girls this
way and had an easy time of it, because he was operating on the periphery of their
social circles and just being a sexy guy they happened to run into for fast intimacy.
Most of the time though, unless you're doing things really right, social circle simply
leads to:
Girls being extra-cautious (you're not anonymous, which means there's a much
greater chance that whatever happens between her and you gets out to everyone she
knows - and she absolutely must maintain discretion - and her reputation)
Girls coming to value you as potential friends or lovers - they see your "other
sides" and suddenly it's next to impossible to see you as a one-dimensional sexy
man who's only going to provide one thing to their lives and one thing only (lusty,
raunchy physical intimacy)
The "I've got time" mentality - if you're some man she meets on the street, it can
seem like a romantic, rushed encounter - she's got to decide: will she see you again, or
not? Then, if you're not always completely available, she may fear losing you and never
seeing you again - thus prompting her to pick up the pace if yes, in fact, she likes
you. In social circle, women feel noneof this urgency. And the more time they spend
around you, the more secure they begin to feel that you are never going away... so they
can take asloooong as they like to make up their minds.
Thus, you see the limitations here. And there are fewer places better at reassuring
women you aren't going anywhere, at showing them your other (non-sexual) sides,
and at reinforcing that they'd better move slow and be cautious with you than
school.
In as restrictive an environment as the classroom is, what's a boy to do?
Obviously then, if you want to get girls in class, you have to overcome the limitations of
the classroom environment - namely:
Girls extra-cautious
Girls seeing your other sides and valuing you more highly
Girls feeling like they've got plenty of time with you
... and then you've got to step up to the plate and make some magic (and dates) happen.
Let's tackle extra-cautious first.
Defusing Extra-Cautious
Extra-cautious is the most intractable, at first glance, of these three problems to remove.
You can't very well just tell a girl that you're discreet... that doesn't work. You'll just be
wasting your time. In fact, every way I've seen most guys try to do this reeks of
desperation, or is a little on the clumsy side. So stay away from anything approximating,
"Hey, don't worry... I don't kiss and tell!" Stay away too from the equally-clumsy,
"Hey... you don't kiss and tell, do you?" She knows you don't care if she does.
You can tell her a story about how foolish it is that you friend was indiscreet about
something, but it needs to be artfully and expertly woven into your conversation to not
sound contrived - and you're in a classroom, there's not much chance to talk
about anything, let alone artfully weave something in.
In fact, there's a better way to let a woman feel comfortable letting her guard down
around you and trusting you to be discreet:
Give her some leverage over you.
That's right - tell her some secret she can use against you if it ever gets out.
Obviously, don't use something that's really going to wreck you if she does it, and don't
do this with girls you think might possibly do something spiteful / mean / hurtful, and
don't use something that's going to make you look like a dumb oaf to the girl.
Instead, use one like this:
You: Hey, what's your name?
Her: I'm Becky.
You: Hi Becky, I'm John.
Her: Hi John. How was your summer?
You: It was great - hey, Becky, can you hold onto my bag for a second? I've got food in
here, we're not supposed to have it, just don't tell anyone. I have to run outside for a
second and I don't want anyone going through my stuff and finding it. Call me paranoid.
Her: Okay...
You: Cool, I appreciate it. I'll be right back, thanks Becky.
You can do that before class begins, leave for a minute (go to the bathroom, get a drink
of water, etc.), then come back, thank her, and tell her you'll give her a potato chip later
(or whatever you've got in there).
Why's this work? As it turns out, it does a number of good things for you, all at once:
Day 1: introductions. If you can, defuse her cautiousness right when you meet
her, although you can always do this on Day 2 once you've said "hi," too. Simply asking
her how her summer or winter break was if you've never talked to her before is
sufficient. Don't talk about the class; it'll kill you (it's a boring, dead-end topic, and
she knows you don't care why she's taking the class or what she thinks about the
teacher).
Day 2: the second class you see her in. Talk to her more (easier now that you've
said "hi"), and if you haven't already defused her cautiousness, do it now by sharing
something that will give her a little leverage over you and make her understand you're a
guy who values discretion. You can be talking to her and tell her, "Hey, don't tell
anyone, but..." if you can tie something related into your conversation. Or, just use the
"food in my bag" example.
Day 3: talk some more; ask her out if things are going great, or wait until next
time if you think she needs a little more warming up (usually this is when you'll want to
go in for the kill, though).
Day 4: if you haven't asked her out by now, do it this day. Wait any longer than
this and you're dead in the water; friend zone material. If you like her,grab your
cajones and do it.
That's it. Fast. Not asking her out the first day - unless you're unbelievably suave, that's
going to seem too abrupt for a social circle context like this. You also won't have had
time to get into much of a discussion with her and screened her to any meaningful
extent; it won't feel "right" that you're asking her out.
Once you've met her on the first day, it's very easy for you to sit next to her on
subsequent days and go straight into talking to her. The two of you are classmates who
are on a friendly basis now; there's no need for you to pretend to ignore her. Just sit near
her and talk.
What should you talk about? The same things you would with women in any other
situation. See:
The class
The teacher
The school
The school football team
Anything impersonal to her whatsoever
If her answers are going to be similar to the answers you'd get from anyone else (e.g.,
"Why are you taking this class?" "What do you think of the teacher?" "Do you think our
football team has a good chance to win this year?"), do NOT ask that question. It's
boring conversation fodder, and you'll sound like a boring conversationalist.
Be an interesting one. Get onto deep, meaty topics about her.
How to ask her out? Well, once you've had a few half-decent conversations, you can
simply ask her:
Tell you what, let's grab a bite sometime this week, outside of class.
And then get a phone number from her.
And at this point, you only have one more consideration left.
If you follow the steps above under "Defusing Extra-Cautious" and "Preventing Girls in
Class Seeing Your 'Other Side,'" chances are you won't need to. You'll have done things
right, have moved fast with her, and you already be lining up dates and taking it from
there.
But what if you didn't? What if you did things wrong, slipped into the social circle
position, and now you're stuck?
Well, unfortunately, your options for upping your scarcity are pretty limited in class.
You can't:
Up and disappear - she'll still see you in the classroom, and you don't have her
contact info to follow up with her later even if you do start skipping class
Just quit talking to her - she'll think you've gone into auto-rejection and that she
hurt your feelings - in other words, that she holds emotional power over you, and you're
more interested in her than she is in you. Not so good for attraction-building
Tell her you're scarce - women pay your words little mind; it's your actionsthey
care for, and action-wise... you're still there
That means it basically comes down to preselection and making her jealous.
You won't always be able to do this. That's why you want to move fast and cement
things with her as soon as you start a new class with a girl.
But sometimes you can swing this.
The tough news is, this is a very delicate balance, and you can just as easily cause a
girl who likes you but wants to take her time with you to auto-reject as you can to
begin pursuing you. You really need the right balance of just enoughof a jealousy
plotline that she becomes interested again and realizes you risk going off the market that
she decides to make her choice.
How's this work? Well, first, before you run a jealousy plotline in class, always either:
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The next time you're in class, you sit near Girl B and talk to her
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You do not talk to Girl A that entire class (even if you usually do)
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Judge how many classes to take off from Girl A based on how cold she is to you
- if very cold, take 3 or 4 classes off. If just a little bit, or she's playing hard to get, take
2 classes off.
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After 2 to 4 classes off from talking to Girl A and instead talking to Girl B,
sit near Girl A again and pick up where you left off, as if nothing had happened. At the
end of your conversation, ask her out.
Now note: this doesn't always work. That's why you want to do things right the first
time around and move fast so you aren't walking the tightrope later trying to hit the
balance just right. However, there are a couple of benefits from this strategy:
The long and short of it The classroom is a difficult place to meet women usually, because:
Most of your value's shown indirectly - not useful for sparking conversation
Despite being in class together, there's often not a social context
There's little time to talk before or after class, and often none during
Classrooms are instant social circle environments
The difficulties of the instant social circle environment are:
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Talking to girls right away on the first day of class, making it socially acceptable
to sit near them and talk to them in future classes before class and after class
Targeting personal, non-boring conversation to talk about with girls in class
3.
Creating an "us-vs-them" air and/or giving her leverage over you to remove her
fears of indiscretion
4.
Asking her out quickly into beginning class with you, before she has time to see
your "other sides" and begin thinking of you as a friend or potential boyfriend
5.
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eye contacts
Posted by victory on Wednesday, 21 November 2012
Can you make a post on eye contacts and facial expression in general. It seems that the
facial expression you give can either substantiate your words or diminish the power of
the words you say to a girl.
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Hey Victory,
Sure, I can put one in the works for that.
Meantime, here are a few worth reading if you haven't seen them yet:
Eye Contact:
Facial Expressions:
Nonverbals:
Nonverbal Attraction
Nonverbal Communication
Cheers,
Chase
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Hi George,
Forgive the lack of clarity... what was intended was four classroom sessions.
So, if you have class on Tuesdays and Thursdays, the first Tuesday is Day 1, the first
Thursday is Day 2, and so on and so forth.
As far as using this at work... some of it, certainly. Although some of it's very specific to
a classroom environment. But the basic principles of it - establishing discretion, moving
quickly, and creating a jealousy plotline in the event you've moved too slow or she's
acting uninterested - absolutely apply.
Best,
Chase
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Lover in Class
Posted by Chase Amante on Thursday, 22 November 2012
Hey Anon,
It's possible, but you've REALLY got to be firing on all cylinders... classroom's a tough
environment. If you're sufficiently high enough in value over a woman where she stops
being able to really relate to you as a human being but still finds you desirable as a
mate, you can hold "potential lover" status even in light of large amounts of value on
display that ordinarily would get a man slotted into friend or boyfriend territory. So it IS
possible, it's just relatively uncommon.
It's never really too late to ask girls out (especially if you're good... the rules are a lot
less rigid when you're at a point where women find you very attractive), and in fact the
end of the semester can be a great time to ask girls out - a lot of hooking up occurs at
semester-end (primarily because discretion becomes less important - your classes
together are over - and the potential for a man becoming a girl's long-term friend or
boyfriend greatly diminishes at the end of the semester if he isn't already one of these
things).
In other words, if you want to take the shot - then take the shot!
Cheers,
Chase
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Too late?
Posted by Will on Thursday, 22 November 2012
Great post Chase, really nailed classroom pickup to a science here! However, I'm
wondering, now that I'm finally determined to make a stand and stop being my shy,
introverted self (who gets NO women), whether I have a chance with cute girls in my
classes even though the school year has started and everyone's 'fixed' where they sit in
class (so to speak).
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Set Seats
Posted by Chase Amante on Thursday, 22 November 2012
Hi Will,
Yes - that's another reason for needing to move expeditiously on this one - you can only
change seats early into the semester before everyone settles in (unless you're in a
REALLY big, forum-like classroom... e.g., 200+ students listening to a lecture).
Once you reach that point, you're almost stuck in the traditional old "catch her in the
hallway" or on her way into or out of class approach, simply because logistically there's
not really much else you can do.
There are other alternatives - like, throwing a party and inviting everyone in your class
just to get them out of the classroom setting and meet them elsewhere - but there's a
good chance she just doesn't come, even if she likes you... this one's only good if there
are multiple girls in class you like and you're interested in socializing anyway (in case
none of the girls show up; you don't want to go to the trouble of putting a party together
and then having to host it feeling miserable if only the guys from your class arrive).
The best way to me is to take the "old friend" approach even if you've never talked to
her before. The way it works is you wait until she's leaving, and then you leave at the
same time, and casually ask her, "What'd you think of that test?" (or whatever), and then
self-deprecate, "Yeah, I'm not hanging this one on the fridge in my room or anything,
that's for sure," and talk a bit. Do that a few scattered times over a few different classes
(e.g., not several classes right in a row; it feels weird for you to ignore her all semester
and then suddenly fix in on her), and then grab contact info with a close on a high note
when you're talking one of those days like, "Let's grab a bite or a drink before they end
the semester. What's your exam schedule like?" Then find out her schedule, follow up
with a, "Cool, maybe next Tuesday or Thursday once your exams are mostly over then;
I'll text you, we can figure it out," and then grab her cell number.
Cheers,
Chase
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Thanksgiving
Posted by Franco on Thursday, 22 November 2012
No article on how to pick up women on Thanksgiving, Chase? Bummer... ;)
If you'll excuse my joke, this is a great article for those who are still in school and
looking to meet women. I honestly wish GirlsChase had existed while I was in school -I feel like I would have been exponentially further along in my experience level with
women.
With that being said: great article! And Happy Thanksgiving everyone!
Cheers,
Franco
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Re: Thanksgiving
Posted by Chase Amante on Thursday, 22 November 2012
You know, I was thinking about whether I could put one up today on picking up in
grocery stores or something to capture the holiday spirit, but I figured maybe I'd do
something more cerebral today and think about a shopping post tomorrow in honor of
Black Friday.
Plus, man... for some reason, it's really difficult to find pictures of women and turkeys!
Anyway, Happy Thanksgiving, Franco (and everyone else) - try not to get too stuffed ;)
Always,
Chase
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Study Buddies
Posted by Chase Amante on Thursday, 22 November 2012
Hey Anon,
It's okay if she's REALLY shy... like, she's never had a boyfriend before kind-of-shy.
Otherwise, it's very obvious that the guy using it is trying to hide his intentions (e.g.,
he's playing "hide the banana," as discussed in theindirect game article) and it simply
looks weak and unattractive. It might be easier to get her contact info this way, but
you'll already be starting out from deep in the friend zone when you start studying with
her and it'll be a long climb to get out.
Better just to be upfront with her and invite her to get some food / drinks with you.
Chase
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Howdy M,
On opening - sure. Although, that's mainly like anything - just takes practice.
But I'll get a post up on it.
On the deep diving: what you're going for is DEPTH, rather than the surface layer of the
topic herself. I'd go for major => dive down to what she's going to do with that => then
either where she imagines herself with that in 10 years OR if she always wanted to be
that (e.g., what did you want to be when you were a little girl... why did you change
your mind and go into this far less exciting career... do you think you'll ever go back and
do that).
Remember with deep diving, as soon as you get into a really substantial conversation,
you've got to try and close then. Get her number, because now the clock's ticking on
attraction.
Here's why you never want to talk about light stuff: it puts you in the same boring box
as everybody else in her life.
Imagine James Bond, standing there talking to some woman he's just met, saying, "So
what do you and your friends do when you hang out on the weekends?" or, "Hey, did
you hear about Katie and Nick? Crazy, right?"
Doesn't work. Leave that stuff to her girlfriends (and platonic guy pals who keep
thinking they're "closing in on her") and you just worry about opening her eyes and
making her say, "Wow." It'll get you what you want a lot more effectively than trying to
slide under the radar platonically... which almost never works (women just don't respect
it - they respect guys being straight with them far, far more - so be that).
Cheers,
Chase
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Spontaneity
Posted by Chase Amante on Tuesday, 4 December 2012
Hi Anon,
I can't tell what she was like when she arrived at your place from your description here,
so it's difficult to say. My gut is that she probably was hoping something would happen
right away, but too much time passed and it killer her enthusiasm.
I'd be very surprised if she was "just" there for conversation. I don't know any women
who just go over to a man's place alone for pure conversation. And her reaction to your
kiss attempt doesn't sound like the shocked reaction of a girl who really thought that the
two of you were "just friends"... it sounds like she was expecting it.
Could also have been that she's playing a game / sort of likes you and wants to keep you
on the hook as a backup plan. Again, hard to read, but it's one of those most likely (she
liked you and wanted something to happen; she's playing a game; she wanted you on the
roster as a backup player).
Cheers,
Chase
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what to do next
Posted by mizraw66 on Wednesday, 20 November 2013
I have a crush on this girl I sit next to in class. She is sexy and really wouldn't mind
dating her. But here the problem. We have small talk every class about the school work
for a couple of weeks and in one class I asked her if she could be my study buddy
( stupid I know) she kindly says ok and took my number but I didn't get her. She never
called or text me and 8 weeks past. My question is what should I do to have a chance
with this girl I felt like I screwed up my opportunity by hiding behind the banana.
Should I just leave it alone and leave from my mistake or just come out direct and tell
her how I really feel
Moneymatter
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first off, I want to say that this is a great website & blog you have here Chase; the articles
I've read here have greatly helped me in my quest to become a better seducer.
my reason for posting a question is about how to sit around girls; I've read elsewhere that as
an alpha male, you want to sit down with your legs and feet basically at hip or shoulder
width apart, and that you want to take up as much comfortable space as you possibly can, as
well as be comfortable with resting your hands near your crotch/belt-buckle. but say you're
sitting at a table or counter-top, and you have your arms up on it. should you keep your
hands and elbows shoulder-width apart and not touching/crossing, or is it o.k. to have them
touching/crossed overtop one another or forming a little "enclosed" area in front of you, or
does this send negative subliminals to girls? also, is it good to hold your head up in this
scenario of sitting at a table/countertop by resting your chin on your hand, and if there's a
specific way to do this, what would it be?