Firstly, let's investigate the relationship between time and space, and then it

will be easier to see what kind of dynamic effect they will have on existence, w
hether together or independantly (if they require or comply with or not need one
another or not). From that point on, we can observe their relation with existen
ce individually, and finalize the conclusion in a much more complete and correct
sense way due to earlier relationship facts between time and space verifying ou
r main investigation where we observe their necessity for existence.
What is time? We humans accept time as a moving of phase from one point to anoth
er, but always in constant movement of which we perceive as now; a unique force
effecting everything in creation and causing them to complete their manifestatio
n in cycles. Meaning it has a beginning and an endpoint and it travels between t
hose points, hence the idea of motion occurs. This can be perceived anywhere in
existence. Everything has a motion, everything moves. Even things simply standin
g, perfectly still their have a certain core vibration to themselves and are als
o joining this motion through it, because they <strong>continue to exist</strong
> throughout time regardless of their lifespan in existence.
Now what about space? We accept space as a void of dimensional region (limited o
r unlimited) where it creates an empty place for allowing things to exist within
it. This means that either things continuously stay inside that area of which s
pace provided permanently for, Or that both the void(first) and the things(secon
d) are created constantly, meaning <strong>time either governs the space too or
is unaffected by it</strong>(the former permanent void situation).
This naturally brings the simple question, can time be spaceless and space be ti
meless, can both can occur or not, and if only one occurs, what are the conditio
ns of it? If time is spaceless, it would mean there is no motion. Because motion
has to occur from one place to another, motion can never occur from the one pla
ce to the very same place itself <em>in time</em>. And if there is no motion it
means there is nothing to measure. Meaning there is no time. Then we can for now
say that space must exist for time so that time can move from one time(or point
) to another time(/point) in its existence. If space is timeless, it would mean
there is a space that exists, but it is unknown yet in the absolute sense if the
space is not bound by time in total(1) and/or if it can exist seperately from i
t(untouched)(2), or if it is indeed bound by time and require time to continuous
ly exist within it(3).
If we solve the latter question, we will be able to know whether both conditions
can apply or not, and have a better idea of the structure between time and spac
e. The key here lies in the main factor effecting time, which is motion and whet
her space is effected by motion too or not. Then we will have clearer understand
ing of the progression of which can be used to verify further the relationship o
f existence with either time or space, through the other one. So firstly, let's
cut off motion and see what occurs. If we stop motion, we stop time. But for spa
ce, if we stop motion, we get two kinds of scenarios because we are not sure if
space is also created constantly through time or if time exists "in" a space. I
personally do not know the answer to this, however I do know that time cannot ex
ist above space since it cannot return to the exact same point as I already ment
ioned. In fact, if there is no point at all(no space), time cannot return anywhe
re, or even move towards anything or exist in it(space). So instead I will name
the conditioned space the Lesser Space(that exists and is constantly created in
time whether temporarily or permanently) and the independant space the Greater(T
imeless) Space.
Now to make a quick summary;
1. Time and Space is defined and their relationship with one another is understo
od to better finalize and verify the main investigation.
2. Time moves in cycles, is governed by motion and cannot exist above space.
3. Time allows things to exist, and things' existence are moving through time(te

mporarily or permanently). But the Existence of Time itself is still unquestione

d and uninvestigated.
3. Space is void manifest, and it can exist both in time(Lesser) and above time(
Greater) due not needing to respond to motion to exist, unlike time.
Keeping above points in mind let's investigate existence and time. If there was
no existence of one (or any) thing, can we say that time can still exist indepen
dantly of it? I say yes it does and there are many things all around me that exi
st already and each one of those do not contain everything else instead, (which
it could have) so those things do not exist, but time "exists"(funnily) without
needing their existence. So, <strong>existence of time requires existing first f
or time to exist, but time itself can give and measure existence to/of everythin
g else.</strong> But for a thing to exist independantly of time... I believe onl
y space can have that spot and space itself being a form of existence, I say exi
stence can occur outside and above the boundaries of time. Therefore;
-Time can exist independantly "of existence of other things", but is not indepen
dant of its own existence. Therefore time is governed by existence.
-Investigation of motion and existence seems unrelated for now and it was discus
sed and covered already much enough deeply in Saturn lecture.
And the final investigation to make. Can existence exist without space or can sp
ace be without existence? This would mean we have to investigate two situations;
1. Spaceless existence, 2. Existenceless space. Now, what is the smallest space
we know? It certainly isn't a 3d cube, but perhaps some could argue that it is
a sphere, a line or a triangle. I would conditionally agree that smallest space
we can have "manifest" equals to a point, which is technically still a sphere. B
ut even that gains its manifestation first, and then gains the quality of being
that which makes it space, since the same point could have existed and instead i
t could have been a point in time, therefore I suggest Space cannot precede Exis
tence. To make it fair and just, let's also analyze existenceless space. For a c
oncept to be existence yet is to be space means to me that it is almost akin to
Spaceless Space, simply because it cannot exist and cannot gain any quality, yet
I ask you, if something is without any quality, how can it exist? If anyone kno
ws anything something without quality, please do mention, I would be very intere
sted in trying to understand it and would be looking forward to how you would be
able to explain such a concept. The closest Thing I can ever think of such a no
t-being is God or Ouk Non, Total Nothingness. Yet even inside such non-being, ho
w can space ever be something? So I say that "state" is more close Existenceless
Existentence, than Spaceless Space, because if we see it from this perspective,
the latter only means that space has yet to exist, but it hasn't reached that s
tate yet(Spaceless Existence >= Spaceless Space). For sake of easieness on the a
rguement, let's call this Spaceless Existence, Greater Existence, and existence
of things which are shadow reflections of the Actual and Only True Existence ins
ide Time and Space, Lesser Existence.
Therefore based on all the arguement above I make the following suggestion that,
Total Nothingness > Greater Existence* > Greater Space > Motion > Time > Lesser
Space > Lesser Existence (of things)
The only thing that disturbs me in this sequence of manifestation is motion. It'
s true origin probably lies in the secret progression from Total Nothingness to
Greater Existence which is akin to 0 => 1 which we can for sake of simplificatio
n call Secret Motion. What disturbs me is that, where did it come from or why/ho
w did it ever occur? I think in some scriptures this was called desireless desir
e or something. But for the "motion" in above sequence is (Greater) motion, maki
ng Time somewhat its afterimage, of sorts and Lesser motion is the motion of thi
ngs that comes after Lesser Existence, who moves through Time, Cycles, Space, St
ars. Which makes me wonder If there is a Secret form of Existence behind Total N
othingness, but oh well I don't think It's possible to comprehend Oudenia haha s

till I believe there must be something beyond Nirvana.

So in conclusion, I want to finish making reference to a quote that;
"Existence is exalted above the structure of creation; yet it is born a slave of
motion.