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@ Tensor My mother was subpar in the kitchen my entire childhood and I know plenty of people who are slobs their entire lives. You forget this is a comedy and her being a bad cook and bad housekeeper is part of the humor. You could have, but you didn't. Combing the next two, Penny has a problem with it. She even says she is not good at it. I don't know many people who enjoy doing things they are not good at. I am not demeaning it. I am saying what you suggested. She doesn't have a successful career or even a hint of one to walk away from. Being a homemaker at this point is probably the best she could do, well, if she learns to cook and clean so technically speaking she is unqualified even for that.

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Nogravitasatall

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Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said: Way to spin it. What will Penny choose over becoming a housewife, A fulfilling and demanding career waitressing? She is a good for nothing,a grown woman almost in her 30's.I wonder if she will be any good with kids either,can't cook or clean.So would not even be a good home maker. I guess Leonard will have to bring home the bacon and cook and clean as well.

They will work it out later, but please note they do have a head start as they have known each other for 6 years - far fewer surprises and very much an informed adult choice. I cant see how they can turn that ship around without a wreck. Leonard is taking a punt (a bet) similarly to any one else. And they will be able to engage a cleaner if it becomes a priority. He is not without resources. But all these things are his to consider and he has chosen. IRL his recourse will be the divorce courts if he has taken the wrong bet at the end. It looks to me like the characters and creatives are deeply committed to this course so you are going to either be unhappy for a long time or Lorre pulls something weird out of his ars* to make me cry instead.

Leonard: " ... Some day, we will tell future generations that dating used to be hard" Raj: "Here we go. Lock up your daughters! Were going to hit it and quit it." Penny: "Oh, balls." Mrs Cooper: "And that is your opinion."

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Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said:

Way to spin it.

Spin it? Then by all means, explain how else your statement:

Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said: Women who choose to do it in place of a career have my utmost respect.Women who do it because they are good for nothing otherwise well...

can be interpreted. It appears that you respect those that raise children in place of a career, otherwise, you don't respect those who are raising children.

Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said: What will Penny choose over becoming a housewife, A fulfilling and demanding career waitressing?

And if she does, the problem is....what?

Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said: She is a good for nothing,a grown woman almost in her 30's.

Who started back to school, supports herself, isn't involved in illegal drugs, isn't some sort of criminal. Yeah, the very definition of good for nothing.

Kutra, on 28 Jan 2013 - 22:55, said: I wonder if she will be any good with kids either,can't cook or clean.So would not even be a good home maker.

As I said, my wife couldn't cook and I was a slob, prior to our marriage. Now she's a great cook and I'm a neat freak.
I was really good at math, until they added the alphabet.

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Ar Diem, on 28 Jan 2013 - 23:42, said: @ Tensor My mother was subpar in the kitchen my entire childhood and I know plenty of people who are slobs their entire lives. You forget this is a comedy and her being a bad cook and bad housekeeper is part of the humor.

Of course it is. Shots at her intelligence, housekeeping and cooking are there for the humor. And some of those lines and situations are throw aways, and not necessarily have anything to do with the actual character development. One example is Penny mentioning that Leonard "really tries" in bed, when she's given other examples of him being rather good. Mixed messages, that we are taking in two different ways. That's why we disagree.

Ar Diem, on 28 Jan 2013 - 23:42, said: You could have, but you didn't.

Which means what? I thought those who know the show would have gotten the "smart and beautiful" without a specific reference. Mea Culpa, I'll be more specific in the future.

Ar Diem, on 28 Jan 2013 - 23:42, said: Combing the next two, Penny has a problem with it. She even says she is not good at it. I don't know many people who enjoy doing things they are not good at.

But you evidently know some, from the way your worded it. So it's not impossible for someone to enjoy something they're not good at.

Ar Diem, on 28 Jan 2013 - 23:42, said: I am not demeaning it.

Your wording in the previous post suggested otherwise to me.

Ar Diem, on 28 Jan 2013 - 23:42, said: I am saying what you suggested. She doesn't have a successful career or even a hint of one to walk away from.

I already pointed out in another thread, that it can take longer than six years to get a career going. But, here it is again.
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You guys are all entertaining going back and forth like this. It seems to me Leonard would want someone who is not his intellectual equal after seeing and hearing about his own family(esp. his mother). I'm not quite understanding why some seem to hate Penny so much but still watch the show. Every one of Kutra's posts seems to complain about her. She is one of the three main characters of the show so I'm guessing she's not going anywhere. I'd be interested to see how this discussion is going when the series finale finally happens. You guys to me seem to be like the announcer at halftime of a football game analyzing the first half. But like any football game it doesn't matter what the score is at halftime it matters what the score is at the end. And if I was a gambler I bet Penny will look a lot better by the end of the series than now.
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@ Tensor I don't think you believe they will give her an acting career or you would not have made her a homemaker. I think you believe that much like the cooking and cleaning that being a failed actress is part of the humor. They may give her something in the series finale but that will be nothing more than window dressing. No I don't know some people who are happy at jobs they are no good at. I worded it that way for effect but I appreciate a literal comeback. Everyone I know in that situation is basically no happier than Al Bundy. I am not demeaning homemakers. End of conversation. If you don't see what you did there I can't help you.

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Chrismo, on 29 Jan 2013 - 01:26, said: You guys are all entertaining going back and forth like this. It seems to me Leonard would want someone who is not his intellectual equal after seeing and hearing about his own family(esp. his mother). I'm not quite understanding why some seem to hate Penny so much but still watch the show. Every one of Kutra's posts seems to complain about her. She is one of the three main characters of the show so I'm guessing she's not going anywhere. I'd be interested to see how this discussion is going when the series finale finally happens. You guys to me seem to be like the announcer at halftime of a football game analyzing the first half. But like any football game it doesn't matter what the score is at halftime it matters what the score is at the end. And if I was a gambler I bet Penny will look a lot better by the end of the series than now.

He has had experience with intellectual equals that were not like his mother so I doubt he would be scared of further exploring them. People are responding to what they see. Yes they may fix her but they haven't yet. If we don't discuss what we have seen so far there would be no reason to come here at all.

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I don't disagree in what your saying. More my point is why people don't have the same discussions about Sheldon? It seems to me the two that have the most faults are Penny and Sheldon. People don't respond to what they see with him. I guess I defend Penny because she seems to be the one picked on the most.

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I know at least one more benefit from relations with a girl like Penny. If she worked out her scares and calmed, she would be very kind and warm with Leonard, that's what she has shown in S1-2 and in other episodes as well. She is pretty, warm and she accepts Leonard as he is. Moreover, she loves scientists (but not science itself). And she is not with him for money. Isn't Penny a nice partner for Leonard? A good womam shouldn't necessarily understand your interests completely, especially if it is highly sophisticated science, but she must love you as a scientist. The only problem up to now is her scares. Also she is known to have some unexpected skills which however she did not develop and did not fully use.

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Chrismo, on 29 Jan 2013 - 01:26, said: You guys are all entertaining going back and forth like this. It seems to me Leonard would want someone who is not his intellectual equal after seeing and hearing about his own family(esp. his mother). I'm not quite understanding why some seem to hate Penny so much but still watch the show. Every one of Kutra's posts seems to complain about her. She is one of the three main characters of the show so I'm guessing she's not going anywhere. I'd be interested to see how this discussion is going when the series finale finally happens. You guys to me seem to be like the announcer at halftime of a football game analyzing the first half. But like any football game it doesn't matter what the score is at halftime it matters what the score is at the end. And if I was a gambler I bet Penny will look a lot better by the end of the series than now.

I like the character Penny but I do not like her with Leonard.He deserves better and she deserves the trailor unless she makes something of herself. Make her a movie star and get them married no problem.Leave her a slob waitress and get her married to Leonard,something jarrs there. @ Tensor Only way to intepret my statement is I have no respect for good for nothing people(men or women) who settle for taking care of children because they are good at nothing else(perhaps not even taking care of kids). If you are a waitress be a good waitress,Penny is simple good at nothing.

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A movie star will probably not live with a university professor. They usually prefer dating with or marrying other movie stars. Not because a university professor does not deserve a star - eg. a brilliant scientist is a star himself. But they belong to too different circles and that makes their communication into a hard problem. Eg. a woman being a movie star will be not warm enough with him (she will probably not even have time for that). On the other hand, why such a woman must necessarily make her career in advance? Does Leonard really need it? I guess the only problem is that, although Penny can be very good for Leonard, she is still scared of such a role.

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Kutra, on 29 Jan 2013 - 09:56, said: I like the character Penny but I do not like her with Leonard.He deserves better and she deserves the trailor unless she makes something of herself. Make her a movie star and get them married no problem.Leave her a slob waitress and get her married to Leonard,something jarrs there. @ Tensor Only way to intepret my statement is I have no respect for good for nothing people(men or women) who settle for taking care of children because they are good at nothing else(perhaps not even taking care of kids). If you are a waitress be a good waitress,Penny is simple good at nothing.

Dude. Words fail me. Left with only three for you. Enjoy the show.
Leonard: " ... Some day, we will tell future generations that dating used to be hard" Raj: "Here we go. Lock up your daughters! Were going to hit it and quit it." Penny: "Oh, balls." Mrs Cooper: "And that is your opinion."