Baga and Beyond Boko Haram Islamic Terrorism Between Confrontation and Justice A Debate Compiled and introduced

by Oluwatoyin Vincent Adepoju Compcros Comparative Cognitive Processes and Systems “Exploring Every Corner of the Cosmos in Search of Knowledge”

The recent large scale destruction in the Northern Nigerian Baga community and deaths of its citizens in the course of the successful effort of the multinational Joint Task Force to remove the Boko Haram Islamic terrorists from the town has sparked significant debate. This very energetic debate on various Nigerian centred listserves compiled below is on the question of relationships between confronting the terrorist challenge and the exercise of justice in the process. This compilation of the debate will be updated as the debate progresses. [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Inbox x BOKO HARAM x Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com> Apr 30 (1 day ago) to usaafricadialo., naijaintellects -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings, Armed robbery, kidnapping, communal clashes, political violence, ethno-religious violence and rape, helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira, but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days

after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops, so as to develop mutual respect. To do this, it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. Even in war situations, relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention, even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation; it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno, and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases, hunger and deaths of women and children. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga, not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes, from all indications, insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.

Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC

Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental, non-profit legislative advocacy, lobbying, information sharing and research organization. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate; by enhancing lobbying strategies; engagement of bills before their passage into law; manpower development for lawmakers, legislative aides, politicians and the civil society, as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights.

CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) Address: No.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street, Off Shehu Shagari Way, By Bullet Garden, Area 11 Junction, Asokoro, Abuja - Nigeria Website: www.cislacnigeria.net Email: info@cislacnigeria.net, cislac@cislac.kabissa.org, cislacnationalassembly@yahoo.com, rafsanjanikano@yahoo.com GSM: +234-8033844646, 08052370333, 07034118266 E. Obi Apr 30 (1 day ago) to usaafricadialo., naijaintellects, rafsanjanikano After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android

com Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. NIgerianWorldF. <naijaintellects@googlegroups. Display images below . Apr 30. A bunch of mindless._.com>.gov Nigerians are just emotional wretches. rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill. __.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 5 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control._. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>.com 3:51 PM (23 hours ago) to Yan. April 30. 2013 1:16:45 PM Igietseme. Obi Sent: Tuesday._. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback ._. Raayiriga.___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com> Reply to group Start a New Topic ..com. naijaintellects. usaafricadialo.com>. naijaintellects@googlegroups com. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) via yahoogroups.From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue. rafsanjanikano@gmail. rafsanjanikano Images are not displayed.Always display images from jbi8@cdc.com] On Behalf Of E. NO WAY!!! Take care. JUI From: naijaintellects@googlegroups.

E. me.com>. As it is. .com <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. using the civilians as human shields and decoys. while the await the various inquiries into the incident. 2013 3:02:41 PM There is a world of difference between the Boston bombings involving only two bombers and the Boko Haram army which is a population integrated into the Northern Nigerian population. . usaafricadialo. using the civilians as human shields and decoys. Thanks toyion E. Obi <bizon586@yahoo. usaafricadialo. As it is. You are WRONG. Thanks toyin On Tue.com> wrote: After the Boston marathon bombings.com>. Apr 30. There is a world of difference between the Boston bombings involving only two bombers and the Boko Haram army which is a population integrated into the Northern Nigerian population.4:02 PM (23 hours ago) to naijaintellects. there is no definitive verdict on who is guilty of the massacre of the civilians.com>. 2013 at 2:23 PM. Cc: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Apr 30.com>. there is no definitive verdict on who is guilty of the massacre of the civilians. Wait for a detailed response Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. To: <naijaintellects@googlegroups. Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue. Obi 4:14 PM (23 hours ago) to naijaintellects.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians. while the await the various inquiries into the incident. the terrorists or the army. the terrorists or the army. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.

The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue. Apr 30. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer.To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. ethno-religious violence and rape.com>. To do this. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. kidnapping. relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. political violence. . It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. communal clashes. helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. Armed robbery. so as to develop mutual respect. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. 2013 1:16:45 PM -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. <naijaintellects@googlegroups. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. Even in war situations. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno.com>.

lobbying. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes. manpower development for lawmakers. legislative aides. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. by enhancing lobbying strategies.It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) . hunger and deaths of women and children. non-profit legislative advocacy. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. information sharing and research organization. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. engagement of bills before their passage into law. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. from all indications. politicians and the civil society.

visit https://groups. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.com. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. Asokoro.org. To post to this group. cislac@cislac. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. 07034118266 -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. For more options. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. Off Shehu Shagari Way. To post to this group.com. Abuja . Visit this group at http://groups. By Bullet Garden. rotimi Fashakin <rotfash@yahoo.google.com/groups/opt_out.google. Visit this group at http://groups.Nigeria Website: www.Address: No.com.com GSM: +234-8033844646.com. For more options. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com/groups/opt_out. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. rafsanjanikano@yahoo.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. Area 11 Junction.google.google.com/groups/opt_out.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.com> 4:17 PM (23 hours ago) . visit https://groups.com.kabissa.com. Visit this group at http://groups. For more options.google. To post to this group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. visit https://groups. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it.net Email: info@cislacnigeria. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group.cislacnigeria. 08052370333.net. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo.google.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it.

com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.Your opening statement and concluding sentence are 180 degrees out of phase. Compare and contrast with Naija's method: Mohammed Yussuf was arrested. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: "Igietseme. naijaintellects. our elite with all the knowledge acquired from the ivory tower cannot even understand this very simple aspect of human existence! Rotimi.com>._. we probably would not have been in this colossal mess.com>. 30 Apr 2013 14:51:10 +0000 To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com<naijaintellects@googlegroups.com Dr Joe Igietseme.to NIgerianWorldF.Always display images from rotfash@yahoo.gov> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. 'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. he was taken to the hospital to revive. In the communication below. rafsanjanikano. We all saw him handcuffed.. 24 hours later. Yan. we all saw on You-tube how the same blood-thirsty security agents shot every one in sight. The 2nd Boston bomber was captured still breathing. I thought the kernel of the Nation's jurisprudence is that an accused is presumed innocent until proven guilty or convicted by a court of competent jurisdiction!? That was not all.com>. rafsanjanikano@gmail.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail. Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.. What did you do. usaafricadialo.com>. But here we are. I am still shaking my head in disbelief o.com Cc: 'Yan Arewa'<yanarewa@yahoogroups.com'<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups._. We were all outraged by such mindlessness displayed. his lifeless body was shown to Nigerians with the same handcuffed on! What happened? The dumb security men with their dumb leaders in govt told Nigerians that he was shot while attempting to escape. Raayiriga Images are not displayed." Now we are all victims of the original injustice. I thought you'd go to the very beginning. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. He was taken into custody.___ . That is the way of civility. man's inhumanity to man! Not so? What are we going to do? What is the way forward? I dare say. had been executed. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc. as a human being? You probably said: "it serves those Islamists right.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups. if Mohammed Yussuf had been tried and. Display images below . The charge sheet for his formal prosecution was brought to him on his hospital bed.com Date: Tue. including crippled folks.com> Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. if found guilty of treason or terrorism.

Raayiriga Images are not displayed. if found guilty o..com>.com> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. one gets horrified when you read some posts that tend to revise our common history. Sometimes.com> 4:48 PM (22 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF.___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju 4:29 PM (23 hours ago) FALSE: ' I dare say.com "Boko Haram was murderous well before the killing of Yusuf"---toyin adepoju. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups._. Display images below . You may wish to elucidate please. Yan. Are you saying that killing people (without formal trial) is alright for decent human living?! I am still in quandary on the thrust of your contention. naijaintellects. Yan . We watched on you-tube how a police inspector told his colleagues not to waste bullets.com>. __. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. "Let one person just shoot the heart.com Cc: naijaintellects@googlegroups com<naijaintellects@googlegroups. Rotimi.. Mr Adepoju. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: New Members 39 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.. rotimi Fashakin <rotfash@yahoo. rafsanjanikano.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail._. rafsanjanikano@gmail. usaafricadialo. 30 Apr 2013 16:29:10 +0100 To: <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups." That was the statement of the police inspector while one of them bent over some folks(among them crippled) and finished them off with single shots to the heart! It was Aljazeera that posted the video.com>.com Date: Tue.Always display images from rotfash@yahoo. if Mohammed Yussuf had been tried and. Don't waste bullet please..com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.

._.com 6:23 PM (21 hours ago) to nigerianid.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups. NIgerianWorldF.. yanarewa.. Please address the point made and its reference to a historical acc.___ Stevek 5:22 PM (22 hours ago) Wow.Arewa<yanarewa@yahoogroups.. Oluwatoyin Adepoju 5:47 PM (21 hours ago) Fashakin. Display images below .Always display images from OlaKassimMD@aol. How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd? .com Reply to group Start a New Topic JUI: I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them. Joe. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .com via yahoogroups.. Raayiriga Images are not displayed. Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. usaafricadialo._. nigeriansncana._. You mean that those who do not support the extra-judicial murder of. OlaKassimMD@aol.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity: New Members 39 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.com>. rafsanjanikano._. naijaintellects.. When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre. __.. Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.

rafsanjanikano. yanarewa. usaafricadialo.com> 7:43 PM (19 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF.. __.How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the Boko Haram terrorists The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture._. Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they could get their 72 virgins in heaven? Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter? Bye. naijaintellects..___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (9) Recent Activity: New Members 39 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only._. Ola __._. Raayiriga. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . Serious ailments need serious solutions! As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate these miscreants. nigerianid People are also much aggrieved not happy at the high civilian casualties._. Reply to group Start a New Topic .___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.

Tajudeen. Sylvester. Adeniba. how then are 'laws enforced around the world'. 'Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control. Prince. their community destroyed. bcc: nigeria360 Images are not displayed. Can you both explain to Nigerians.. Emeka. Rufus. wale. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc. AVATAR.com 11:55 PM (15 hours ago) to Joseph. Olushola. rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill. Pius... if any at all died. Amauche. Yakubu. toyin Valentine Ojo via yahoogroups. Iyalaje.com Dr.? . Emmanuel. Nigerian. Suji. Our soldiers and police are expected to operate within certain rules and bounds-as per the mission protocol.com Do you both seriously then believe all what you wrote here. especially in Canada and in the US where you both reside. Ola. NO WAY!!!' ... Joseph Igietseme: Please help me out here. But how many Bokos have you encountered that would obey the rules of law regarding surrender? Boko Haram terrorists are suicidal maniacs whose only mission in engaging in their fruitless wars is to die to they could each get to enjoy 72 virgins in heaven!' . Samuel.OlaKassimMD@aol. Anthony. Display images below . A bunch of mindless. We can not send our soldiers and policemen into a battle with the Boko Haram with one arm tied to their backs.They would have preferred that so many people. Any errant soldier or police who participates in extrajudiocial killings should be courtmartialed. Salihu.gov> 'War is not a joke! The Boko Haram is at war with the lawful authorities in Nigeria.. Ola Kassim/Dr. did not die.Igietseme. They are not allowed to kill innocent civilians or Boko Haram terrorists who have clearly surrendered after dropping their guns and ammunitions and appearing with both arms raised high above their heads.Always display images from elewuoye@gmail.

. Apr 30. . MD On Tue...MOSSOB and OPC members in the same manner..? Why still express any regret or any remorse then.because they are 'suspected' to belong to Boko Haram. <OlaKassimMD@aol. even if you choose to label them as extremists or terrorists.When did Nigeria declare itself to be at war with Boko Haram...' .where people are simply shot by security personals because they are suspected to belong to an extremist group.? 'My only regret would be about the collateral civilian casualties and destruction of properties which the Nigerian armed forces should avoid as much as they can reasonably do without further endangering their own lives.. Valentine Ojo Tall Timbers. 2013 at 5:40 PM.com> wrote: SteveK: There is nothing in my submission that could be reasonably interpreted as an approval of extrajudicial execution as a mode of justice..? Dr..in 2013 . without benefit of any form of trial. rag-tag religionists' labeled loosely as 'Boko Haram'..com Really....OlaKassimMD@aol.simply shoot them on sight..? Do members of Boko Haram go around carrying ID cards..? Or this extra-judicial treatment should be reserved only for this suspected 'bunch of mindless.? What stops soldiers and the police then shooting and killing suspected armed robbers. and wearing uniforms that would allow the police and soldiers to shoot them on sight...? Is this the kind of Nigeria we then want . MEND...? Or what exactly are both you presumably highly educated Nigerians suggesting about how Nigeria should now handle apprehended criminals in Nigeria ..when we are presumably 'killing' the hated members of the Boko Haram.

com>. Any errant soldier or police who participates in extrajudiocial killings should be courtmartialed. I will not shed any tears if some or all of the Bokos end being killed in gunfire with the police or the Nigerian armed forces. rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com> To: OlaKassimMD <OlaKassimMD@aol.com>. naijaintellects <naijaintellects@googlegroups. They are not allowed to kill innocent civilians or Boko Haram terrorists who have clearly surrendered after dropping their guns and ammunitions and appearing with both arms raised high above their heads. NIgerianWorldForum <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups. But how many Bokos have you encountered that would obey the rules of law regarding surrender? Boko Haram terrorists are suicidal maniacs whose only mission in engaging in their fruitless wars is to die to they could each get to enjoy 72 virgins in heaven! They are no boy scouts.com>. No reasonably human being whould shed any tears for them. usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Our soldiers and police are expected to operate within certain rules and bounds-as per the mission protocol. The operations in Baga were aimed at flushing out Boko Haram religious extremists.com>.com>. War is not a joke! The Boko Haram is at war with the lawful authorities in Nigeria.com> Cc: yanarewa <yanarewa@yahoogroups. My only regret would be about the collateral civilian casualties and destruction of properties which the Nigerian armed forces should avoid as much as they can reasonably do without further endangering their own lives. Ola ---. nigerianid <nigerianid@yahoogroups.com>. We can not send our soldiers and policemen into a battle with the Boko Haram with one arm tied to their backs.com>.Original Message ---From: Stevek <avatarmd10701@yahoo.com> .I was one of those who protested the extrajudicil execution of Yussuf by the Nigerian police. Bye. nigeriansncanada <nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.

com.com. You guys amaze me.com. want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to. which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life. While somewhat indefinite. Apr 30. especially in the courts. Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process. Raayiriga@yahoogroups. USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves.Sent: Tue. You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole! due process of law n. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria! As Africans. including notice of rights.com. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice. liberty. 2013 1:23 PM . But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram. That NIDO thing again. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not. naijaintellects@googlegroups.com Sent: Tuesday.com." and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U. DC.S.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence . Stevek Washington. rafsanjanikano@gmail. .com" <OlaKassimMD@aol. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters. without due process of law.David Hume From: "OlaKassimMD@aol. the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness. or property.com. both civil and criminal. must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. April 30. you Olola.com Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups. 2013 1:46 pm Subject: Re: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS That's what I thought. nigerianid@yahoogroups. we have to learn to think or perish. Yet.com> To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups. Constitution.

Subject: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS JUI: I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them. When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc. Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture. Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they could get their 72 virgins in heaven? Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter? Bye. Serious ailments need serious solutions! As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate these miscreants.com>Cc: . rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail.Original Message ----From: Igietseme.com>. How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd? How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the Boko Haram terrorists The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.com>. Ola ---.gov>To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com <naijaintellects@googlegroups. usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.

communal clashes. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups.com. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege.com>. JUI From: naijaintellects@googlegroups. Armed robbery. helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. Apr 30.'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at . rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill. Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com?] On Behalf Of E. 2013 1:16:45 PM -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. <naijaintellects@googlegroups. 2013 10:51 amSubject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Nigerians are just emotional wretches. political violence.com>. ethno-religious violence and rape. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS After the Boston marathon bombings. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. A bunch of mindless.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians. Apr 30.com' <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. NO WAY!!! Take care. kidnapping.com>. Obi Sent: Tuesday. . 'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. naijaintellects@googlegroups com. a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control. April 30. rafsanjanikano@gmail. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue.com>Sent: Tue.com>.

National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. from all indications. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place.least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged. To do this. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate. hunger and deaths of women and children. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes. Even in war situations. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. non-profit legislative advocacy. lobbying. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. so as to develop mutual respect. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. by enhancing . Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. information sharing and research organization. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection.

7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. U. For more options. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)Address: No. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups. Abuja .To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it.com.com. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. Off Shehu Shagari Way. politicians and the civil society.You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. visit https://groups. engagement of bills before their passage into law._.com 1st African-owned. manpower development for lawmakers.lobbying strategies.com. -- __.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 2 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group USAfrica http://www.S. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo. rafsanjanikano@yahoo. visit https://groups. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.comGSM: +234-8033844646.google. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights._.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.org.com/groups/opt_out.com.-based professional newspaper published on the internet. Visit this group at http://groups.To post to this group. legislative aides. Area 11 Junction.net.NigeriaWebsite: http://www.kabissa.cislacnigeria.google.com/groups/opt_out.com.Visit this group at http://groups.google. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.For more options. -----CLASS ..google. cislac@cislac.Asokoro. 07034118266 -. 08052370333.net/ Email: info@cislacnigeria. To post to this group..USAfricaonline.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. The social events and profiles glossy magazine for Africans . By Bullet Garden.

Pius.tv Our community's photos mega-site of your special events.tv -----PHOTOWORKS.and was one of the brothers not captured alive and even taken in for medical treatment. Samuel.___ Valentine Ojo via yahoogroups.tv MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. no..com 'When Putin sent his squads to liquidate some Chechen rebels in Kagistan a few days--no one heard the Russians shouting massacre massacre!' Dr. and North America. Prince.Classmagazine. Olushola. Emmanuel. Yakubu. Display images below . Salihu. Tajudeen. Joseph. and I did not realize that Nigerians were same people as Russians who belong to an ethnicity different from the Chechnyans! And Kirghistan is a different country from Russia. weddings.. Amauche.com 1:11 AM (14 hours ago) to Nigerian. north America and the Diaspora http://www. It's the 'Ebony' magazine for the African professional class across the U.' . they became the accused bombers after they started shooting back at the police._. etc http://www. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .? . Rufus.OlaKassimMD@aol.in the U.S.S. AVATAR. wale... anniversaries..PhotoWorks.com And. Sylvester. Emeka.Always display images from elewuoye@gmail.. bcc: nigeria360 Images are not displayed. Suji.? 'The Tsarnaeve brothers were mere suspects in the Boston Marathon Bomb attacks when they were on tthe run from law enforcement. Anthony._.? How many Americans/Bostonians were killed for the Boston police to arrest the Tsarneve brothers . Adeniba. __.. Ola Kassim: I did not read that anywhere. Iyalaje..? Why wasn't he just wasted like a wild beast. Ola..

Valentine Ojo Tall Timbers. <OlaKassimMD@aol. Joseph 'Stalin' Igietseme! But then I presume Africans .? If you can't. If you keep on in your errant ways after being warned to drop your weapons--no reasonable human beings except clueless bleeding heart liberals should blame the police or the soldiers if you are shot and either killed or wounded. they became the accused bombers after they started shooting back at the police.? Dr Ojo: When you point a gun or lob a grenade or improvised explosive device at a police officer or soldier you 'graduate' from being just a mere suspect as a Boko Haram terrorist to a real flesh and blood terrorist...especially Nigerians . 2013 at 7:23 PM. MD On Tue. The same goes for their wacko Boko brethren in northern Nigeria. . The Tsarnaeve brothers were mere suspects in the Boston Marathon Bomb attacks when they were on the on the run from law enforcement.will forever remain WILD ANIMALS as far as humanity is concerned! How sad! Dr. Dr..Can't you see the difference between how human beings treat other human beings . then I seriously wonder what your education and what your decades spent in a country like Canada training to become a medical doctor is worth! Same applies to your Dr. We do not expect Boko Haramist terrorist to wear labels on their heads or badges on their clothing identifying them as terrorists. Ola Kassim.com> wrote: Or this extra-judicial treatment should be reserved only for this suspected 'bunch of mindless.. rag-tag religionists' labeled loosely as 'Boko Haram'.and how WILD ANIMALS treat each other. Apr 30.

___ Igietseme.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (2) . Display images below . Raayiriga. When they walk and quack like a terrorist and threaten the lives of police officers and civilians with their weapons they should be treated like terrorists until proven otherwise. Ola -- __._.com 1:22 AM (14 hours ago) to stevek941. Until Baga. It is time for GEJ to start acting like the Commander in Chief that he truly is. Ola.Always display images from jbi8@cdc.gov Stevek.However. rafsanjanikano Images are not displayed.. NIgerianWorldF. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) via yahoogroups. the law enforement officers should not be second guessed when they start returning fire on the assumption that they are the true terrorists. usaafricadialo._._. the Nigerian government has been very restrained in its deployment of the arsenals at its disposal==appearing seemingly weak ann helpless in the presence or heavily armed Boko Haram terrorists who have been receiving surplus weapons from the rebels in Libya. Reply to group Start a New Topic __._.. When Putin sent his squads to liquidate some Chechen rebels in Kagistan a few days--no one heard the Russians shouting massacre massacre! Bye. talkhard. when they start shooting back at the ploice and soldiers in a territory where they have been previously active. Don’t you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out . Yan.

com. build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized.how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices. That NIDO thing again.com.com.com.com. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care.usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties. Subject: Re: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS That's what I thought. when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. destructions and intimidations as their tactics.rafsanjanikano@gmail.com. Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. and the members use killing of innocent people. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent.com.Original Message -----------------------------------------------------------From: Stevek Date: 4/30/2013 1:46 PM To: OlaKassimMD@aol. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather. human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy. JUI ----------------------------------------.com.nigerianid@yahoogroups. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. You guys amaze me.naijaintellects@googlegr oups.Raayiriga@yahoogroups. What else constitutes a threat to public safety. civil liberties and public safety.com. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. . Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups. such as what we have with Boko Haram.

liberty. which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life." and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. we have to learn to think or perish.S. without due process of law. the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice. DC. must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. you Olola. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram. especially in the courts. You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole! due process of law n. want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters. including notice of rights. both civil and criminal. Stevek Washington.Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process. Yet. Constitution. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria! As Africans. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not. While somewhat indefinite. or property. USA . The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.

com Reply to group Start a New Topic Ola. __._. usaafricadialo. just as Nigeria's current one [their bosses died and they took over]. but Johson had an agenda and most of the policies in the US including Medicare. . Display images below . nigeriansncana._. if Boko " Harem's " tenure ever ends._.. I could not agree with you more. the poignancy of the fact being that GEJ's government if you can call it that is a farce. Images are not displayed. The concept of Blackmail is that it perpetuates itself and if. The fact that a set of hoodlums can hold 160 million persons. nigerianid. naijaintellects. for the fact that there is a higher than normal probability that they will get whatever then want by sheer brute force. yanarewa.com 1:29 AM (14 hours ago) to nigerianworldf. raayiriga.David Hume ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------__.com via yahoogroups. Medicaid.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (2) Recent Activity: New Members 22 New Files 1 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence ._. who also happen to claim the title of the most populous nation in Africa is a shame in the first order.___ lion killer lionkiller100@hotmail.Always display images from lionkiller100@hotmail. mark my words. another terror could promptly take its place. Lyndon Baines Johnson was an accidental President. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. rafsanjanikano. Head Start and the Civil Rights .. It is even more so that the Nigerian government is so yellow-bellied that it negotiates with terrorists.

nigerianid.. the Nigerian accidental President? What President? So. naijaintellects@googlegroups. Buster Ogbuagu To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. say it is not so. nigeriansncana. Images are not displayed. naijaintellects.com 2:21 AM (13 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF. Nigerians._. raayiriga.com From: OlaKassimMD@aol._. nigerianid@yahoogroups. yanarewa. rafsanjanikano.com. __. And to think that this charade is orchestrated to continue after 2015? Ola. Display images below .Act of 1964 all stand as a beacon of light of his achievement till date. the axiom that we deserve the government we have could not have been more apt.com via yahoogroups.___ OlaKassimMD@aol.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (20) Recent Activity: New Members 33 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. I pray thee. 30 Apr 2013 13:23:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __.com.com._.com. Johnson's undoing was his preoccupation with Vietnam._.com CC: yanarewa@yahoogroups. Raayiriga@yahoogroups..com Date: Tue. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail.com Reply to group Start a New Topic Buster: . nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups. and unashamedly so. usaafricadialo.com.Always display images from OlaKassimMD@aol. especially those in advisory positions and even those who suffer under it [give them a cup of rice and they will all sing the praises even of those who ravaged them] present as some of the most sycophantic or all lackeys. On the other hand.com.

nigerianid.Always display images from jbi8@cdc. __. Display images below ._. Images are not displayed. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback ._. raayiriga. usaafricadialo. Bye. rafsanjanikano.___ Igietseme.. naijaintellects.You said it all in a few words! Dr Ojo and his ilk act tough only with ordinary Nigerians.. they dive for cover when ever they are confronted even with just the shadows of terrorists like the Boko Haram. NIgerianWorldF. Let Dr Ojo visit Borno state and start referring to the Boko Wackos as 'African monkeys' and we'll see if he survives the encounter even for a minute._. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) 2:39 AM (13 hours ago) to OlaKassimMD. nigeriansncana. yanarewa._. Ola __.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (22) Recent Activity: New Members 43 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.gov . The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperity and Security of her citizens nationwide! The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limb which is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation or else the gangrene consumes the rest of the body.

build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized.“””””””The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperity and Security of her citizens nationwide! The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limb which is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation or else the gangrene consumes the rest of the body. raayiriga@yahoogroups. JUI From: NigerianID@yahoogroups.com. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com Subject: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Reply via web post Reply to sender . What else constitutes a threat to public safety. naijaintellects@googlegroups. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent. April 30. destructions and intimidations as their tactics.com. after securing lives and properties of citizens from the terror [by whatever means necessary]. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com.com Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups.com. the “due process” will commence appropriately! Take care. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. 2013 9:22 PM To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of OlaKassimMD@aol.com.com Sent: Tuesday. and the perpetrators are apprehended. In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Besides. rafsanjanikano@gmail. human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy. such as what we have with Boko Haram. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. innocent lives are be ing mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. it is IMPORTANT for us to realiz e that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties.com.”””””””Unquote Dr Ola Kassim! JUI would like to endorse this statement as it pertains to the menace of Boko Haram in Nigeria! As we have said previously.com [mailto:NigerianID@yahoogroups. and the members use killing of innocent people. nigerianid@yahoogroups.

ProudNigerians. without the express permission of the individual author.nidoa. or the Chief moderator All discussions on NigerianID are the express property of the author and NigerianID.com> .._. MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. ============================== "No part of any discussion on NigerianID may be used. http://www. NigerianID. Our mission is to promote the spirit of patriotism. Mobilizing the people is our primary goal.org Donate your used Glasses to the "Seeing Changes the View" Nigeria Project at http://www. quoted. networking.___ Fubara David-West <davidwest62@yahoo.org and help someone today.._.Org is an informal movement of like-minded people who wants to see incremental changes in Nigeria and who are leading by taking simple actions and paying it forward. and cooperation among Nigerians in Diaspora.May 2&3. Nigerian Professionals and Business Network. __. All Rights Reserved. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . or referred to.Reply to group Start a New Topic Messages in this topic (3) Recent Activity: · New Members 1 Visit Your Group UPCOMING EVENT| TORONTO 2013 NIGERIA-CANADA INVESTMENT & TRADE FORUM ." Copyright 2006-2013..proudNigerians.

As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change the situation. Fubara David-West.com There can be no resort to due process.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. April 30. What we have right now is similar.com>.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups. lived among his protectors in Pakistan. "talkhard@yahoogroups. "rafsanjanikano@gmail. turns the larger society into a helpless victim. I thank you.com> Cc: "Raayiriga@yahoogroups. especially in the areas most affected. However. The situation facing Nigeria calls for responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders. to be used for target practice at will.com>.com>. once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. nigerianworldf. who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon.com>.gov> To: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. to the situation that the United States faced with Osama Bin Ladin. by some fringe elements.Always display images from davidwest62@yahoo. while continuing to direct all sorts of terrorist acts.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Ola Kassim <olakassimmd@aol. "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Of course. From: "Igietseme.com> Sent: Tuesday. would the world have called that a massacre? No.com>. talkhard.com>. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jbi8@cdc. Images are not displayed. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his Miranda rights and arrest him. in a lot of ways. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him in. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process.2:48 AM (12 hours ago) to naijapolitics. he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world. who are bent on terrorizing the population. 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com" <rafsanjanikano@gmail. 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [talkhard] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS . They have to stand up and take active roles in bringing the terrorists to book. Osama would be alive. collateral damage must be avoided. and the general public. If several people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin.com" <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>" <stevek941@yahoo. Display images below . "<stevek941@yahoo. people cannot accept a situation where trepidation about collateral damage. nigeria360.

__. ”””””Unquote Bro Fubara! Daalu Bro Fubara for capturing and explicitly clarifying this vital POINT! Take care.Classmagazine. talkhard..._. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. -----CLASS .. U._. 2013 9:48 PM .-based professional newspaper published on the internet.com] On Behalf Of Fubara David-West Sent: Tuesday. anniversaries.. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .tv Our community's photos mega-site of your special events. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) via yahoogroups. yanarewa. It's the 'Ebony' magazine for the African professional class across the U. etc http://www._.S.___ Igietseme.tv -----PHOTOWORKS.S.USAfricaonline.Always display images from jbi8@cdc. JUI From: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.tv MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. Display images below . before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. April 30. raayiriga Images are not displayed.com 2:58 AM (12 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF.PhotoWorks.S.com 1st African-owned.gov “””””There can be no resort to due process. and North America. nigeria360. The social events and profiles glossy magazine for Africans in the U.com [mailto:NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (1) Recent Activity: New Members 2 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group USAfrica http://www.__. naijapolitics._. north America and the Diaspora http://www. weddings.

Fubara David-West.com. especially in the areas most affected. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his Miranda rights and arrest him. Osama would be alive.com. naijapolitics@yahoogroups. nigeria360@yahoogroups.To: talkhard@yahoogroups. turns the larger society into a helpless victim. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. What we have right now is similar. nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups. Of course. by some fringe elements. to the situation that the United States faced with Osama Bin Ladin. The situation facing Nigeria calls for responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders. to be used for target practice at will. collateral damage must be avoided. while continuing to direct all sorts of terrorist acts. As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change the situation. before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon. lived among his protectors in Pakistan. in a lot of ways. They have to stand up and take active roles in bringing the terrorists to book. If several people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin.com. who are bent on terrorizing the population. and the general public. I thank you. .com Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [talkhard] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS There can be no resort to due process. However. would the world have called that a massacre? No. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him in. people cannot accept a situation where trepidation about collateral damage. he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world.

civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX. "talkhard@yahoogroups.com" <rafsanjanikano@gmail. Ola Kassim <olakassimmd@aol. such as what we have with Boko Haram. civil liberties and public safety. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate.com>. build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meets the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent._. "rafsanjanikano@gmail. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. and the members use killing of innocent people.com>. __.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather.gov> To: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. What else constitutes a threat to public safety. 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jbi8@cdc.com>. Don’t you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices.com>" <stevek941@yahoo. destructions and intimidations as their tactics.___ .From: "Igietseme.com> Cc: "Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>.com" <Raayiriga@yahoogroups. human rights and senseless menace to a society that is in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy. when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC.com> Sent: Tuesday.com>._. "<stevek941@yahoo.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [talkhard] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Stevek. Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups. April 30. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>.

com>.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.Always display images from davidwest62@yahoo.com" <raayiriga@yahoogroups.com> Cc: "yanarewa@yahoogroups.___ Fubara David-West <davidwest62@yahoo.com>.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity: New Members 5 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only._._. 2013 8:58 PM Subject: [Raayiriga] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __.com> Sent: Tuesday. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .com> 4:06 AM (11 hours ago) to Raayiriga Images are not displayed. April 30. Display images below . "raayiriga@yahoogroups.com" <naijapolitics@yahoogroups. "talkhard@yahoogroups.gov> To: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (3) Recent Activity: New Members 5 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. "nigeria360@yahoogroups.com>.com From: "Igietseme. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback Reply to group Start a New Topic .com" <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>. "naijapolitics@yahoogroups. __._. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jbi8@cdc.com" <nigeria360@yahoogroups._.

and neither is it my position to 'act tough with ordinary Nigerians' or with anyone . I do not live in Borno State. Web. Iyalaje. Buster Ogbuagu.___ Valentine Ojo via yahoogroups. Ola. MD On Tue. Apr 30. Prince. USAAfricaDialo. AVATAR. Rufus. Suji Images are not displayed. NigerianWorldF. lion.com 4:57 AM (10 hours ago) to Rotimi. Display images below . this too illiterate a level of discussion. All.com> wrote: . Valentine Ojo Tall Timbers. Joseph.. Enu dunun r'ofo.. Dr.Always display images from elewuoye@gmail. Adeniba. <OlaKassimMD@aol. Pius. Amauche. Anthony._. agada owo se e s'anko! Continue fighting the Boko Haram with your empty mouth and we'll see how far that will get anyone. Ola Kassim: It is not in my power. Ogbeni Rotimi and myself have merely expressed our own personal opinions. rafsanjanikano.com Dr. __. Olushola. Salihu. naijaintellects. and how tough your Jonathan has been in facing up to them. YanArewa. 2013 at 9:21 PM. Samuel. and I have no plans to ever live in Borno State or any reason to have to 'dive for cover when ever they are confronted even with just the shadows of terrorists like the Boko Haram'! Coming from a supposedly educated Nigerian like you. Nigerian._. Emeka.I am not in control of the police or the army! Like you and your 'lion killer'.. We see how effectively your Nigerian army and the police have been able to deal with the Boko Haram. and I will not descend that low! You are of course free to fee feel very proud and tough about your stance.

nigeriansncanada <nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups. Apr 30. mark my .com> Cc: yanarewa <yanarewa@yahoogroups. who also happen to claim the title of the most populous nation in Africa is a shame in the first order. I could not agree with you more. The Boko Haramists are a threat to Nigerian Unity and Prosperity and Security of her citizens nationwide! The most effective treatment for a gangrenous or cancerous limb which is resistant to all other forms of treatment is amputation or else the gangrene consumes the rest of the body.com>.com>. Let Dr Ojo visit Borno state and start referring to the Boko Wackos as 'African monkeys' and we'll see if he survives the encounter even for a minute.com>.Original Message ---From: lion killer <lionkiller100@hotmail. Ola ---.com> Sent: Tue. usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. nigerianid <nigerianid@yahoogroups. the poignancy of the fact being that GEJ's government if you can call it that is a farce. Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>.com> To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. It is even more so that the Nigerian government is so yellow-bellied that it negotiates with terrorists.Buster: You said it all in a few words! Dr Ojo and his ilk act tough only with ordinary Nigerians. they dive for cover when ever they are confronted even with just the shadows of terrorists like the Boko Haram. rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail. Bye.com <raayiriga@yahoogroups. The concept of Blackmail is that it perpetuates itself and if.com>. The fact that a set of hoodlums can hold 160 million persons. naijaintellects <naijaintellects@googlegroups. 2013 8:29 pm Subject: RE: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Ola.com <nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups.com>.

I pray thee. for the fact that there is a higher than normal probability that they will get whatever then want by sheer brute force. rafsanjanikano@gmail. Johnson's undoing was his preoccupation with Vietnam. say it is not so.com Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS After the Boston marathon bombings. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>. naijaintellects@googlegroups.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians.com CC: yanarewa@yahoogroups. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS . the axiom that we deserve the government we have could not have been more apt. another terror could promptly take its place.com From: OlaKassimMD@aol. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>. Buster Ogbuagu To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.words. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. especially those in advisory positions and even those who suffer under it [give them a cup of rice and they will all sing the praises even of those who ravaged them] present as some of the most sycophantic or all lackeys.com.com. and unashamedly so. 30 Apr 2013 13:23:01 -0400 Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS From: naijaintellects@googlegroups.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups. just as Nigeria's current one [their bosses died and they took over].com>. but Johson had an agenda and most of the policies in the US including Medicare.com] On Behalf Of E. Head Start and the Civil Rights Act of 1964 all stand as a beacon of light of his achievement till date.com. Obi Sent: Tuesday. the Nigerian accidental President? What President? So. April 30. On the other hand.com. Lyndon Baines Johnson was an accidental President.com. naijaintellects@googlegroups com. nigerianid@yahoogroups. Medicaid. <naijaintellects@googlegroups. if Boko " Harem's " tenure ever ends. Nigerians. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail. Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail. .com. And to think that this charade is orchestrated to continue after 2015? Ola.com Date: Tue.

relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people. To do this. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. kidnapping. . political violence. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. 2013 1:16:45 PM -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. Armed robbery. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. communal clashes. so as to develop mutual respect. helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. ethno-religious violence and rape. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians.Sent: Tue. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno. hunger and deaths of women and children. Even in war situations. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. Apr 30.

com. rafsanjanikano@yahoo. by enhancing lobbying strategies.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes.com. non-profit legislative advocacy.cislacnigeria. 07034118266 -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group.net Email: info@cislacnigeria. To post to this group. For more options. Area 11 Junction. legislative aides.com/groups/opt_out. manpower development for lawmakers. visit https://groups. information sharing and research organization.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.org. By Bullet Garden. politicians and the civil society.google. 08052370333. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. Abuja . send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups. . Off Shehu Shagari Way.google. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged.CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. cislac@cislac. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI) EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) Address: No.net. from all indications. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it.com GSM: +234-8033844646.kabissa. Asokoro. engagement of bills before their passage into law. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights. lobbying. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.com. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate.Nigeria Website: www. Visit this group at http://groups.

S.USAfricaonline.google. weddings.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.PhotoWorks. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (3) Recent Activity: New Members 2 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group USAfrica http://www.tv -----PHOTOWORKS.. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. visit https://groups.. north America and the Diaspora http://www. anniversaries. It's the 'Ebony' magazine for the African professional class across the U. -----CLASS . send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com 1st African-owned. U. -- __.-based professional newspaper published on the internet.S. Visit this group at http://groups. and North America._.tv Our community's photos mega-site of your special events. __.com._.com 5:09 AM (10 hours ago) ._. For more options. The social events and profiles glossy magazine for Africans in the U..com/groups/opt_out. To post to this group.tv MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.___ Valentine Ojo via yahoogroups.S.Classmagazine.google.com. etc http://www.-You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group._.

to Nigerian, Fubara, Joseph, Ola, Rotimi, AVATAR, Adeniba, Amauche, Anthony, Emeka, Iyalaje, Olushola, Pius, Prince, Rufus, Salihu, Samuel, Suji, Sylvester, Tajudeen, wale, Yakubu, bcc: nigeria360 Images are not displayed. Display images below - Always display images from elewuoye@gmail.com

Joe Igietseme/Fubara David-West: What have the Nigerian army and police been able to do fefectviely against Boke Haram...? What were they able to do against your own home-grown terrorists in the Delta, the MEND...?

On Tue, Apr 30, 2013 at 9:48 PM, Fubara David-West <davidwest62@yahoo.com> wrote:

There can be no resort to due process, before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. The situation facing Nigeria calls for responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders, and the general public, especially in the areas most affected. They have to stand up and take active roles in bringing the terrorists to book. Of course, collateral damage must be avoided. However, people cannot accept a situation where trepidation about collateral damage, turns the larger society into a helpless victim, to be used for target practice at will, by some fringe elements, who are bent on terrorizing the population. What we have right now is similar, in a lot of ways, to the situation that the United States faced with Osama Bin Ladin, who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon, lived among his protectors in Pakistan, while continuing to direct all sorts of terrorist acts. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him in, he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world. As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change the situation, Osama would be alive. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his Miranda rights and arrest him, once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. If several people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin, would the world have called that a massacre? No. I thank you. Fubara David-West.

From: "Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jbi8@cdc.gov> To: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>; "<stevek941@yahoo.com>" <stevek941@yahoo.com>; Ola Kassim <olakassimmd@aol.com> Cc: "Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com" <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>; 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>; "usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>; "talkhard@yahoogroups.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups.com>; "rafsanjanikano@gmail.com" <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 7:22 PM Subject: [talkhard] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

Stevek, Don’t you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices, civil liberties and public safety. Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX, when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC, Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties, such as what we have with Boko Haram; BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent, civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied; they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like; they are not being forced to do anything! Rather, this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society; and the members use killing of innocent people, destructions and intimidations as their tactics; What else constitutes a threat to public safety, human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy, build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized, innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care. JUI ----------------------------------------- Original Message -----------------------------------------------------------From: Stevek Date: 4/30/2013 1:46 PM To: OlaKassimMD@aol.com;NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com;naijaintellects@googlegr oups.com;usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com;rafsanjanikano@gmail.com;

Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups.com;Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com;nigerianid@yahoogroups.com; nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com; Subject: Re: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS That's what I thought. That NIDO thing again.

You guys amaze me. Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not. Yet, you Olola, want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram. You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole!

due process of law n. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters, both civil and criminal, especially in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. While somewhat indefinite, the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness. The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provide s "No person shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria!

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

Stevek Washington, DC, USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: "OlaKassimMD@aol.com" <OlaKassimMD@aol.com>

nigerianid@yahoogroups. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com. Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they could get their 72 virgins in heaven? Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter? Bye. How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd? How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the Boko Haram terrorists The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation.com Sent: Tuesday. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com. 2013 1:23 PM Subject: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS JUI: I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them.com Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups. When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre.com. naijaintellects@googlegroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail.To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Ola . April 30. Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.com.com. Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture.com. Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Serious ailments need serious solutions! As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate these miscreants.

Original Message ----From: Igietseme. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill. kidnapping. 2013 1:16:45 PM -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. political violence. rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>Sent: Tue. Apr 30. A bunch of mindless. helps to escalate . 'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc.---. JUI From: naijaintellects@googlegroups. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>Cc: 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com' <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>. 2013 10:51 amSubject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Nigerians are just emotional wretches.com>. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue.gov>To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com. <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com?] On Behalf Of E. a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control. .com>. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. Apr 30. Armed robbery. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians. April 30. naijaintellects@googlegroups com. NO WAY!!! Take care. Obi Sent: Tuesday.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups. Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>.com>.com>.com Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS After the Boston marathon bombings. rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail. ethno-religious violence and rape. communal clashes.com>.

impunity in Nigeria. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. To do this. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. so as to develop mutual respect. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. Even in war situations. hunger and deaths of women and children. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani . This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. from all indications. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith.

com. cislac@cislac. non-profit legislative advocacy. visit https://groups.com/groups/opt_out.google. Off Shehu Shagari Way.NigeriaWebsite: http://www.com._.cislacnigeria.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. legislative aides. For more options. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights.To post to this group. by enhancing lobbying strategies. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. lobbying. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)Address: No.Executive Director CISLAC Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. information sharing and research organization.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. rafsanjanikano@yahoo.com. Area 11 Junction. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.Visit this group at http://groups. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate. manpower development for lawmakers.google.Asokoro. visit https://groups.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. politicians and the civil society. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo.For more options. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group.kabissa.com.com. Visit this group at http://groups. Abuja .com/groups/opt_out. -- __. 07034118266 -. 08052370333._. To post to this group.org.net/ Email: info@cislacnigeria.net. By Bullet Garden.comGSM: +234-8033844646.You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (4) Reply to group Start a New Topic .google.google. engagement of bills before their passage into law. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.

<stevek941@yahoo. __.___ rotimi Fashakin <rotfash@yahoo.com>._.com>. Sanusi From: "Igietseme.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.Always display images from sanusi.___ Ahmad Sanusi sanusi. 1 May 2013 00:22:57 +0000 To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>._.com Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups. 'Yan Arewa'<yanarewa@yahoogroups. Display images below .com via yahoogroups.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail.com> 8:29 AM (7 hours ago) Reply to group Start a New Topic . usaafricadialogue@googlegroups._.com> Subject: [Raayiriga] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jbi8@cdc. talkhard@yahoogroups.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com<talkhard@yahoogroups.com>.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed. rafsanjanikano@gmail._.com Are you justifying the extra judicial killings whereby policemen ask unarmed young men to lie down in the open and shot to death as we see in the Aljazeera video on YouTube and the killing of captured Yusuf in the police HQ? Ahmad U. __.com> ReplyTo: Raayiriga@yahoogroups._._.com 5:55 AM (9 hours ago) to Raayiriga Images are not displayed.ahmad06@gmail.com><stevek941@yahoo.com>. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .gov> Sender: Raayiriga@yahoogroups.ahmad06@gmail.com>. Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (5) Recent Activity: New Members 5 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only..

Could they have been infiltrated by terror organisations of this world. they were going after muslims clerics. Raayiriga. If found guilty. But it is abominable for JTF soldiers to go from house to house. But that was not the initial objective of the group. Initially. If you go to Lancaster. The US government did not attack them but rather. that gave me some nostalgic feeling. The way of civility is to try them in our Courts! It is my opinion that the police men that killed mohammed Yussuf and the other youths (which Al-Jazeera showed us) must be tried for murder. rafsanjanikano Images are not displayed. suya Obalende. would there ever be anything called 'suya obalende'? Let the truth be told: we (as a Nation) goofed in our initial handling of the Boko -haram issue. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. their pumps are powered by the wind. Yes! How do we move forward? If Boko haram insurgents are killed in their shoot-out with JTF soldiers. Yan.. . use electricity and seek formal education beyond 8th grade. I ate in an Amish restaurant. We are now hearing that they desire an Islamic state. They do not inter-marry. In 1972. Of course.Always display images from rotfash@yahoo. do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people.. NIgerianWorldF. As we speak. In 1985.is exactly what you are expected to do with this issue! Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group. ride automobiles. I wondered aloud what would have happened if the yorubas in lagos had shown immense hostility to the Hausa/fulani settling in Obalende many years ago. PA today. in the course of their struggle with the Nigerian authority? May be. they should be killed at the very spot where they did the first killing. Display images below . NY. they still ride their horse-driven carts. instituted a law suit.to Joan. just like their leader (Mohammed Yussuf). we came to US for my son's MBA graduation and he opted for a Naija restaurant in Queens. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people. searching for Boko-haram and killing every unarmed youth in sight! It is equally reprehensible for the Nigerian security forces to kill extra-judicially any captured Boko-haram operative. that is OK. Last year. stevek941. I just wonder what we probably missed as a Nation.com Dr Joe Igietseme. Nobody has disturbed them. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. Now it has snowballed into a big calamity. the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. the Amish people of Lancaster. talkhard. Methinks that the same perspicacious treatment you give to work-related issues -which has ennobled you into the status of a renowned Bacteriologist. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. What did the police do? They attacked them Is there a parallel in the US? Of course. PA. usaafricadialo. who in their opinion were not pure muslims. That is the way of civility. Ola. I saw as part of their menu.

com>.com>. Justice had been done. The Kano-born General then ordered the firing squad be set up at the very spot where the killing was done. Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol.are not deep at all.com> Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __.com>. That was it.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups. I was in a prayer meeting in Akure (organised by Gen Gowon) on June 6. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . After the war. 1 May 2013 00:22:57 +0000 To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups._. jaji where I did my youth service). rafsanjanikano@gmail. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: "Igietseme.___ Reply to group Start a New Topic . Gowon told us that we should thank God for the nation that the people they fought did not resort to guerrilla warfare instead of surrendering. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. That was very instructive! Many of the commentaries I have been reading -even from respected academics.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (28) Recent Activity: New Members 43 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. When asked._. the murderous two-some averred that the victims were Biafrans! So Gen Haladu set up a court-martial which found them guilty. <stevek941@yahoo. two soldiers from his unit killed two Nigerians of Igbo extraction. Just my two-kobo contribution! Rotimi.com Date: Wed.com Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups. He commanded a small unit during the civil war._.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.gov> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com<talkhard@yahoogroups. because of its relevance to this case.I have told this story before but.com>. We do not show any understanding of the issues.com><stevek941@yahoo.com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc. talkhard@yahoogroups. __.com>. 'Yan Arewa'<yanarewa@yahoogroups. The late General MB Haladu told me (whilst being the Commandant of NASI._. would be willing to tell it again. 1998(two days before Abacha's death).

who in their opinion were not pure muslims [through]early morning raids in mosques at that time. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. a peaceful or forceful.com> 10:05 AM (5 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF. We do not show any understanding of the issues". We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. Joan Rotimi Fashakin continues to reproduce falsehood on this subject even when the facts are available for him to address. threatening to slaughter the clerics. they were going after muslims clerics. Ola. They responded with sophisticated firepower. They forbade themselves from seeking western education." Were they raiding the mosques to invite the clerics for debate? What is a raid. stevek941. Initially. who in their opinion were not pure muslims. rafsanjanikano. Lets take the falsehoods one by one: FALSE: 'Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group. invasive activity? How can a person who contrdicts himself in such basic reporting and analysis now state that "Many of the commentaries I have been reading -even from respected academics. SELF CONTRADICTION: Fashakin states" Initially. A fiormative group from which Boko Haram split even opened the war against Nigeria through two separate attacks on a police station and a town where many lives were lost.? . They responded with murderous threats when the Borno state govt sent Muslim clerics to reason with them." What did Boko Haram do in "going after muslims clerics.Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. FACT: Boko Haram was inherently murderous from their formation. The Borno state govt tried to have them leave the 'state' they had constructed in Borno... Yan. they were going after muslims clerics.are not deep at all. talkhard. usaafricadialo. who in their opinion were not pure muslims. Information source: Ahmad Salikda Genesis and consequences of Boko Haram crisis. What did the police do? They attacked them. Raayiriga.

What is wrong with Fashakin's relationship with this matter? It is disturbing. with the hypocritical and murderous Islamic terrorists Boko Haram who. Amish dont use any modern technology. and schools. This suggests that they want power to control and dominate people. massacring WAEC students by slitting their throats. bombing churches and machine gunning escaping worshipers. Boko Haram. late Yusuf’s teachings that caused crisis and death of hundreds of our gallant security agents and made it inhuman for people like Yusuf to survive. . Anybody equating Amish and Boko Haram along such lines needs to be look carefully at their reasoning processes. contradicts not only Islam which he claims to be preaching to his followers but his very existence. they should be killed at the very spot where they did the first killing. in a quest to evangelise Nigeria into a Muslim state. bombing police stations. If found guilty. have initiated a campaign of mass murder and sheer terror." After the absolute horror Boko Haram has inflicted on this nation. NOT WORTHY OF BEING GLORIFIED BY BEING DESCRIBED AS EVEN FALSE: Equating the honest and peaceful Amish. Na wa o. How did you confirm this?: 'But it is abominable for JTF soldiers to go from house to house. searching for Boko-haram and killing every unarmed youth in sight!' The very height of what I dont want to give the evil name it deserves: "It is my opinion that the police men that killed mohammed Yussuf and the other youths (which Al-Jazeera showed us) must be tried for murder. in its grand stupidity. on Christmas and Sundays. churches. not genuine social restructuring. army barracks. bans Western education but uses some of the most sophisticated products of Western education in its campaign of terror. Anybody equating the Amish and Boko Haram is doing something evil. someone is still trying to appease the terrorists? Salkida puts the Yusuf murder in context in terms of ycle of inhumanity unleashed by Boko Haram: “Unfortunately. assassinating anyone who informs against them and killing or attempting Northern Nigerian leaders.

Display images below . Therein. He did not care because his ancestral home is far from there. Reuben Abati wrote an article in his Guardian friday column. however. what goes round comes round. Those. But not too long afterwards. Gullible folks like yourself (I am sure) had gone to town with that penned lunacy.. easily verifiable falsehoods. in the case of Fashakin. Yan. On April 22. who bases his entire hypothesis on an article. the same injustice by the same govt was extended to his kith and kin in Zaki Biam. so as not to fall into the trap of branding even those whose ideas are against the nation as enemies. We must be on the alert. whose ancestral homes and brothers/sisters have been extra-judicially destroyed by Nigerian soldiers.com Toyin Adepoju. the two persons have been searching endlessly for evidence to cover their idiocy. A man. Ola.I saw when members of the sect slaughtered a police sergeant. Just a digression. He pleaded with them that he was never against them and said he was a fellow Muslim but yet they slaughtered him like a goat. based on clear. he alluded to GMB as the author of the post-election violence that broke out in the North. have been wailing and calling for justice.Always display images from rotfash@yahoo. L. thanks toyin 10:56 AM (4 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF. Adamu. Joan Images are not displayed. is an intellectual neophyte.. though the writer had no verifiable evidence to support his claim! GMB had since sued Guardian and Abati. nay an academic. talkhard. Of course. he hollered and no one answered him. Was this the reason why the police and military summarily executed the suspected sect members in the same manner the sect did to their colleagues?": I would have declared Fashakin an enemy of Nigeria but I wont. even though their primary problem could be delusion. You may justify it by saying Boko . JF Kenedy said: "InJustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere" This is exactly what Gen Victor Malu did not understand as Chief of Army Staff in Obj's govt. to counter ideologies that amount to selling the country and its citizens to terrorists in the name of a distorted sense of justice. He deployed soldiers to invade Odi. should kill everything breathing in the sight in the name of searching for insurgents? Should that mean that any captured insurgent should not be put through formal judicial process? See. The question I ask you is: the fact that boko haram as a group employed violent tactics should mean that Nigeria. stevek941. Raayiriga. 2011. as nation state. usaafricadialo. rafsanjanikano.

___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (32) Recent Activity: New Members 43 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. what goes round comes round.com>. __.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail.___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . as nation state._._.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>.com><stevek941@yahoo. talkhard@yahoogroups.._.com Date: Wed. Yan Arewa<yanarewa@yahoogroups.haram started it. Joan These are the two relevant points being made by Rotimi'The question I ask you is: the fact that boko haram as a group employed violent tactics should mean that Nigeria. But remember.. talkhard. rafsanjanikano.com>. Rotimi.com>. Raayiriga.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail._. stevek941.com>. You are free to continue gloating in this insensitivity.com> 11:41 AM (3 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF. Ola. 1 May 2013 10:05:34 +0100 To: <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. Joan Oviawe<joanoviawe@gmail. should kill everything breathing in the sight in the name of searching for insurgents? Should that mean that any captured insurgent should not Reply to group Start a New Topic . usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol.com Cc: <stevek941@yahoo. It is your choice.com>. Yan.com<talkhard@yahoogroups. usaafricadialo.com>.

how do you justify this point'Nigeria.Salkida's account is corroborated the UN agency IRIN. toyin These are the two relevant points being made by Rotimi'The question I ask you is: the fact that boko haram as a group employed violent tactics should mean that Nigeria.be put through formal judicial process? See. should kill everything breathing in the sight in the name of searching for insurgents?' How do you know you are correct? .' Response. Can easily get further corroboration now that I know the groups had not become known as Boko Haram as at the time of the incident. as nation state. should kill everything breathing in the sight in the name of searching for insurgents?' How do you know you are correct? Second point'A man. what goes round comes round. nay an academic.how do you justify this point'Nigeria. JF Kenedy said: "InJustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere". as nation state. On the post election violence. Bro. I presented that information on these fora last year. * My response*. who bases his entire hypothesis on an article. JF Kenedy said: "InJustice anywhere is threat to justice everywhere". should kill everything breathing in the sight in the name of searching for insurgents? Should that mean that any captured insurgent should not be put through formal judicial process? See. Will need to dig it out. as nation state. The committee that investigated the violence stated that his comments could have planted ideas that led to the violence. My response. what goes round comes round. Buahari is culpable by association because of the inciting character of his remarks before the election. is an intellectual neophyte. you have to try harder.

they were going after muslims clerics. toyin Dr Joe Igietseme. The committee that investigated the violence stated that his comments could have planted ideas that led to the violence. Initially.= Stevek 12:21 PM (3 hours ago) . the Amish people of Lancaster. Will need to dig it out. is an intellectual neophyte.Second point'A man. who in their op= inion were not pure muslims. Buahari is culpable by association because of the inciting character of his remarks before the election.Salkida's account is corroborated the UN agency IRIN. Bro. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. What did = the police do? They attacked them<br> Is there a parallel in the US?<br>Of course.' *Response*. On the post election violence. nay an academic. who bases his entire hypothesis on an article. I presented that information on these fora last year. you have to try harder. Can easily get further corroboration now that I know the groups had not become known as Boko Haram as at the time of the incident.<br>Methinks that the same perspicacious treatment you giv= e to work-related issues -which has ennobled you into the status of a renow= ned Bacteriologist. We read of early morning raids in mosques at t= hat time.is exactly what you are expected to do with this issue!= <br> Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanic= al group.

Therefore. That is why they argued that he shot because he was trying to escape. Remember that! The rest of the stuff you wrote is the usual NIDO stuff which is a strange language I have not bothered to learn. he is a bad man that deserves to die'. Are these two situations comparable? If you say yes. nigeriansncana. nigerianid. That is the basis of civilization all over the world where there is civiliazition. are holed up and threaten to let mayhem loose if anyone threaten to disloge them. Try to reason this in several steps instead of a single step of 'Boko Haram is bad. No matter what crimes a human being is suspected of. that human must be accorded human rights through due process and not be treated like an animal that is killed when out of control. saying that the P-level facility for studying Ebola or HIV should be no different from that for studying mycoplasma. The Branch Davidian. This is not about whether Boko Haram is good or bad. raayiriga. Now. usaafricadialo. the two are different and separate in rational minds.. separate the apples from the oranges. rafsanjanikano.. probably. That is why you should show some discernment and argue only on whether a handcuffed man under custody is capable of escaping instaed of justifying cold-blooded murder. then you are.to NIgerianWorldF. then what is the phrase. Hate of Boko Haram does not mean love of extra-judicial murder. if it is okay for the police to render judgment and execution of judgment. This man was a Boko Haram suspect. 'innocent until proven guilty by a competent court of law mean' mean? Where was the evidence presented and to whom about the guilt of this man and what is the applicable law for death sentence? . yanarewa. OlaKassimMD. Take Rotimi's advice and look at these issues with the discernment you aply to a laboratoy study protocol and interpretation of results. A hanbdcuffed man is shot while in police custody. This is about Due Process and the sovreignty of the individual imbued with certain inalinable rights. Joe. And this handcuffed man that was killed by police could be you in one of your visits to Agenebode. In other words. naijaintellects. Even the unrefined law enforcement agents that killed him didn't reason that way because they know that such an argument is untenable. a bunch of heavily armed people.

"usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Obi Sent: Tuesday. cislac@cislac.com> Sent: Tuesday.David Hume From: "Igietseme. "rafsanjanikano@gmail.com" <OlaKassimMD@aol.com" <yanarewa@yahoogroups. Stevek Washington. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.net/ Email: info@cislacnigeria.com" <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com> Cc: "yanarewa@yahoogroups. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.gov> To: "OlaKassimMD@aol. 2013 9:39 PM Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS From: naijaintellects@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS After the Boston marathon bombings.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence . "raayiriga@yahoogroups. "nigerianid@yahoogroups. rafsanjanikano@yahoo.com.com" <naijaintellects@googlegroups.cislacnigeria.com?] On Behalf Of E. 07034118266 .com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups. USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves.com>. "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com" <raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>. April 30.com" <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc. April 30. 08052370333. . DC.com>.com>.com>. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android Website: http://www.net. .com>.com. "nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com" <nigerianid@yahoogroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail. naijaintellects@googlegroups com. "naijaintellects@googlegroups.As Africans. we have to learn to think or perish.com GSM: +234-8033844646.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians.kabissa.com" <nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.org.

google.___ Stevek 12:37 PM (3 hours ago) to NIgerianWorldF. yanarewa..com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. ”””””Unquote Bro Fubara! .google. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process.com. Visit this group at http://groups.com. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. __. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups._.com/groups/opt_out.com. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . Visit this group at http://groups. visit https://groups.google.google. To post to this group. nigeria360. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups._. __.-You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. talkhard. To post to this group._. raayiriga ”””There can be no resort to due process. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. For more options.com/groups/opt_out.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. visit https://groups. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. For more options.com. naijapolitics._. before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (34) Recent Activity: New Members 43 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only.

HR Menken was right whenn he stated that 'Insincerity is the greatest impedimet of clear speech'. Being arrested and tried in a court of law IS DUE PROCESS! What we are arguing is that being arrested and killed is wrong. 2013 9:48 PM To: talkhard@yahoogroups. 'amen'.com" <nigeria360@yahoogroups. nigerianworldforum@yahoogroups. It is a wonder that we can even have any kind of discussion on any subject here (especially.com>. sir. in this case. before those who are terroriz ing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence . DC. April 30.com [mailto:NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. ”””””Unquote Bro Fubara! Daalu Bro Fubara for capturing and explicitly clarifying this vital POINT! Take care. 2013 9:58 PM Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS “””””There can be no resort to due process. But they should not be given due process until their arrest.com. "naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com>. At least. instead. USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves.gov> To: "NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc.com> Cc: "yanarewa@yahoogroups. naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com. And you cried.com" <naijapolitics@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Fubara David-West Sent: Tuesday. we have to learn to think or perish. 'Bro. "raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>.' Fubara stated that no due process should be applied to terrorist and that they should.com>. "nigeria360@yahoogroups. Read what he wrote again. April 30. be arrested and tried. it is! As Africans.com. . Stevek Washington.com> Sent: Tuesday.com" <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.Joe. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. JUI From: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.David Hume From: "Igietseme.com" <raayiriga@yahoogroups.com .com" <yanarewa@yahoogroups. with NIDO types) since we all seem to speak and understand only our own special language. Simple. nigeria360@yahoogroups.com" <talkhard@yahoogroups. He insists that the terrorists should be arrested then tried in a court of law. "talkhard@yahoogroups.

who are bent on terrorizing the population. by some fringe elements. However.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (8) Recent Activity: New Members 29 New Files 1 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. The situation facing Nigeria calls for responsible citizenship on the part of community and political leaders. As long as the intelligence services were unable to develop the capability to change the situation. he could continue to evade the greatest armed forces in the world. collateral damage must be avoided. I thank you.Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: [talkhard] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS There can be no resort to due process. What we have right now is similar. . people cannot accept a situation where trepidation about collateral damage. to be used for target practice at will. turns the larger society into a helpless victim. to the situation that the United States faced with Osama Bin Ladin. while continuing to direct all sorts of terrorist acts. once his hiding place was breached? Of course not. Of course. before those who are terrorizing a country in the name of a decadent political and cultural mission are arrested. especially in the areas most affected. would the world have called that a massacre? No. who for years after the 9/11 terrorist attacks on New York and the Pentagon. in a lot of ways. If several people had been killed in the operation to get Osama Bin Ladin. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . __._. They have to stand up and take active roles in bringing the terrorists to book. lived among his protectors in Pakistan. Would the United States read Osama Bin Ladin his Miranda rights and arrest him. Fubara David-West. It is the formal arrest that brings the culprits into the open judicial process. Note that as long as the Pakistanis among whom he lived refused to turn him in. and the general public._. Osama would be alive.

two soldiers. murderous and criminal enterprise called Boko Haram." Why the Boko Haram apologist doesn't bother to recommend same treatments he narrated above to those who bombed churches. The NY visitor stated: "After the war. Joan Images are not displayed. innocent worshipers on Christmas Day. the murderous two-some averred that the victims were Biafrans! So Gen Haladu set up a courtmartial which found them guilty._. Display images below . That is the way it is now. Shouldn't that have been balanced and fair? Oh no! He is apologizing for a sadistic. Youth Corpers and High school pupils is only known to him and his God. Boko Haram killed Youth Corpers doing community services." It says it well. Ola..com Folks.. Actually. my second home. Ukpong Ekam Sent from my BlackBerry® smartphone provided by Airtel Nigeria. or was organized to replace Boys and Girls Scout of Northern Nigeria.__. any man that compares Amish to Boko Haram probably using goat head as his drinker. Boko Haram started. NIgerianWorldF. Justice had been done._. What a reasoning!! Has this man ever consider were he would be if everyone that lost their family members take up arms to revenge the deaths of their love ones. reasoning is indeed not cheap and for sure not for children.. Truly. So Police men killed Muhammed Yussuf. Evidently.Always display images from ukekam@gmail. I even saw their initial parade on CNN. Anyway.com via yahoogroups.com 12:31 PM (3 hours ago) to talkhard. killed innocent citizens including children. . rafsanjanikano. in churches on Sundays and innocent children and passengers at the bus stations. that is why he added "two kobo. usaafricadialo.. Raayiriga. killed two Nigerians of Igbo extraction. I am pained that these criminals have made it exceedingly difficult for me to visit my family in Borno and has destroyed the economy of once booming. The Kano-born General then ordered the firing squad be set up at the very spot where the killing was done. When asked. Yan. bouyance and progressive city of Maiduguri. That was it. Obviously some Nigerians use their heads only for wearing hats and caps or mostly for Turbanning. stevek941.___ ukekam@gmail.

Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>. the above will never happen.___ Gregg via yahoogroups.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>.com 1:46 PM (1 hour ago) to NIgerianWorldF. Joan Oviawe<joanoviawe@gmail.net Reply to group Start a New Topic Seems like we are pretending that Boko Haram terrorists are willing to be arrested and are waiting at nearest intersection for a Squad Car to pull up and take them down to the Police Station._.com> ReplyTo: talkhard@yahoogroups. Yan Arewa<yanarewa@yahoogroups. Except if one wants to carry naivete to new heights.com<talkhard@yahoogroups.com>. talkhard@yahoogroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail. Display images below .com Date: Wed.Always display images from gukaegbu@comcast.com Cc: <stevek941@yahoo.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups._. The process of trying to arrest dangerously armed men is most often accompanied with extreme violence._. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback .From: Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. If the terrorists survives the "shootout" then you can talk of due process.com>.com>. Raayiriga@yahoogroups. 1 May 2013 10:05:34 +0100 To: <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com> Sender: talkhard@yahoogroups.com>.com><stevek941@yahoo._. The terrorist does not want due process and does everything in his power to avoid it .com>.com> Subject: [talkhard] Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (4) Recent Activity: New Members 29 New Files 1 Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. Images are not displayed. __. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.

And by the way. have them lay down their arms. will get due process. Wave a white flag. They know what to do to get due process. indulging in all kinds of ploy that will result in mass civilian casualty for public relations purposes. Terrorism is not civil disobedience and it is apples and oranges to argue as if they are the same. running into safe houses and shooting.including mixing in with civilians and shooting. Innocent until proven guilty does not apply to them. and replace both with their own rules. If they are captured alive. It is in their manual. Nigeria can bend over backwards and try them in civilian courts since they do not represent a standing army of any nation. they should be court martialed. Otherwise. The terrorists are trained fighters.___ . Anyone who feels he or she can talk Boko Haram out into the town square. They know the consequences. no one asked them to become terrorists. The communities hiding these terrorists know the risk involved and no one here should pretend that if the members of those communities become collateral damage in a risk they consciously chose to undertake. Let's be a little realistic here. and law enforcement will return fire in the direction from which shots were fired in the first place._. hands behind the back for handcuffs. That's just how it is. People who engage in civil disobedience can be arrested and given due process. how much due process did Boko Haram give all the people it slaughtered? *ezekwe* __. terrorists can only be subdued with overwhelming force. hands in the air. The bleeding heart attitude towards the terrorists is grossly misplaced. sit on the ground and wait for Police should step up immediately and try. That's the appropriate strategy Nigeria should use towards Boko Haram. They themselves have to prove that they are innocent. Let's not forget that the Boko Haram terrorists chose to forgo living in civil society and are actually trying to upend civil society and constitution. Nigeria should continue using overwhelming force to tackle the issue. cross the firing line. Anyone one of them that does that. The terrorists don't wear uniforms. Since that will not happen. The due process argument below does not stand to reason in Boko Haram's case. Barring a negotiated settlement. Boko Haram against Nigeria is warfare. The terrorists are enemy combatants._. no one should cry for them unless the person doesn't want the problem solved. that Nigeria Army of Police should be blamed. lay on the ground. there is no way to sort out the terrorists from the civilians hiding them.

instituted a law suit. Ola. use electricity and seek formal education beyond 8th grade. According to your example. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. The US government did not attack them but rather.___ Igietseme. If you go to Lancaster. Initially.Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (36) Recent Activity: New Members 43 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. You just displayed that appalling practice with your Amish example excerpted from your statement below. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. Raayiriga. do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people. the greatest danger Nigeria and several developing societies face and causing the apparent thread-milling in societal development is the tendency of a “fly-over” or “lay-over” experience abroad to qualify some people as “experienced” sojourners and experts in the ways of the developed societies. In 1972.. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. PA today. rafsanjanikano.Always display images from jbi8@cdc. PA. usaafricadialo. NIgerianWorldF._. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people.com 2:54 PM (45 minutes ago) to Rotimi. Display images below . __. Yan. the Amish people of Lancaster._.gov “”””””Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group. As some of us have observed over the years. your occasional trips to the US [such as the possibility of getting a degree here or coming for your Son’s MBA graduation and flying back to Nigeria] . who in their opinion were not pure muslims. naija Images are not displayed. talkhard. Joan. I ate in an Amish restaurant.. In 1985. stevek941. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) via yahoogroups. ride automobiles. ”””””Unquote Chief [Engr] Rotimi Fashakin Chief. They do not inter-marry. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. they were going after muslims clerics. What did the police do? They attacked them Is there a parallel in the US? Of course.

[51] Under their beliefs and traditions. But even though their buggies.S. provides a reasonable level of living for its dependent members and has existed continuously since December 31. which are typically one-room schoolhouses with teachers (young unmarried women) from the Amish community. Yoder. but you have essentially mis-spoke and misled anybody who would mistakenly use the baseless information you forged out of imagined and assumed picture of how things work here! And it is a habit that most of you should QUIT! It is not helping Nigeria or other developing societies because the fact is that things are more REAL than apparent to your superficial observations and experiences in the US. the Amish operate their own schools. 1972. Even as the Amish people wanted to do their thing.[55](c (c) http://nbcphiladelphia. Now. to high school. the Amish need not pay either motor vehicle registration fees or motor fuel taxes. This exemption applies to members of a religious group that is conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits of any private or public insurance. United States Social Security. died last week. listen intently to JUI who has spend almost 30 years in the US [schooled here. 1950. according to .[49] and the U. were each fined $5 for refusing to send their children. On May 19. they will face instant prosecut ion! See the following historical encounters between the Amish Community and the US Govts over the years: (a) The Amish do not usually educate their children past the eighth grade.com. Supreme Court in 1982 clarified that Amish employers are not exempt. has resided in 4 States. bicyclists. fundamentalist Christians who believe in the power of prayer ahead of modern medicine. but only those Amish individuals who are selfemployed. has a family here. they have to obey the laws of the land! If they don’t. In 1965. The 8-month-old son of Herbert and Catherine Schaible. Second child of faith-healing couple dies after no medical care. and Adin Yutzy of the Conservative Amish Mennonite Church. finding the benefits of universal education do not justify a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment.[54] The U.com. In Wisconsin v.have now made you a US Expertise. NBCPhiladelphia. In many communities. generally the Amish do not agree with the idea of Social Security benefits and have a religious objection to insurance. the Wisconsin Supreme Court overturned the conviction. Jonas Yoder and Wallace Miller of the Old Order Amish. this policy was codified into law.[50] (b) Like other citizens.S. Supreme Court affirmed this. believing that the basic knowledge offered up to that point is sufficient to prepare one for the Amish lifestyle. aged 14 and 15.[52] On this basis. Almost no Amish go to high school and college. Amish pay sales and property taxes. By Dan Stamm. nor receive benefits from. on a stable professional career here. and has visited over 40 of the 50 States of the Union!]: 1.[53] Self-employed individuals in certain sects do not pay into. the United States Internal Revenue Service agreed in 1961 that they did not need to pay Social Security-related taxes. A faith-healing couple serving probation for the death of their 2-year-old son is in trouble once again after a second child died. and pedestrians use public highways.

after he suffered with diarrhea and breathing problems for days. the Schaibles' lawyers said the parents were targeted because their fundamentalist Christian beliefs espouse faith healing.When asked for comment outside his Rhawnhurst home Friday. 44.com/wp- Photos: Amish community disrupted by hate crime convictions Posted Apr 10.” said Martha Mullet. who have seven other children. The Schaibles were sentenced to probation over prison time. Ohio (AP) – The last of 16 Amish from a community in rural eastern Ohio will be taken to federal prison on Friday convicted of hate crimes for hair. “We have to keep our spirits up for the children’s sake.denverpost. Defense attorneys argued that their clients did not know how sick the child was. Herbert Schaible.but the couple relied on prayer instead. The couple have been serving a 10-year probation sentence in the 2009 death of 2-year-old Kent Schaible.denverpost.probably even over-the-counter medication -.” (d) Another 2013 Govt sentencing case: http://www. As part of their sentence. was accused of orchestrating the attacks . according to police. Authorities have yet to file criminal charges in the death of the child last week. and their beliefs played no role in their decision. told NBC10’s Chris Cato. But charges could be filed once authorities pinpoint how the boy died. An official cause of death is pending an autopsy. During their trial. the Schaibles were required to arrange medical examinations for each of their children. At a hearing Monday. Pennsylvania law says parents have a legal duty to protect their children's health and safety. In 2010. Prosecutors said Kent could have been saved with basic medical care -.Philadelphia Police spokeswoman Jillian Russell.comTop of Form Subscribe via RSS content/themes/mcenter/images/mcenter.and beard-cutting attacks against fellow Amish. Sam Mullet Sr. of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in Kent's death from pneumonia. “We don’t want to talk. whose husband.The child was taken to a funeral home by an as yet unknown individual and the undertaker alerted police. a jury convicted the Schaibles. to immediately consult with a doctor when a child became sick and to follow the doctor’s treatment recommendations. Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said the Schaibles violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children. although the law does not specify if or when medical care must be sought. Russell said.png http://photos. 2013 By · BERGHOLZ.

and was sentenced to 15 years. In your example with the Amish. mosques. The defendants don’t deny the hair-cuttings but contend they stemmed from family disputes that should have been handled internally. All 16 defendants have appealed. you will feel the weight of the law!! Boko Haram has been harassing. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. there was a clash between sect members and security agents. instead of wondering why Govt has not taken more effective and serious steps to filter these nuisances from society. it is IMPORTANT for us to realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties. What else constitutes a threat to public . We are REALLY strange people in deed! As we have said previously. you will face IMMEDIATE expungement or put-away! 3. an argument prosecutors reject. such as what we have with Boko Haram. how come you did not tell us that there was no instance of an Amish attack during your flyover in the US? You can’t be selective on these things. they don’t attack other people to force them to adopt the Amish religious and simple ways. If not. and that underscored the point. some of us are here blaming Govt’s agents for attempting to quell the terror. One really wonders how petty politicking can blind some of us to the point of adopting these warped. and the members use killing of innocent people. killing and destroying for a while. arguing that the group’s conviction. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. Minnesota and Connecticut violates their constitutional rights and amounts to cruel and unusual punishment. that things are more REAL in the US than a fly-over guest or student will appreciate to him/her an expert on American ways! The fact and reality of the situation in the US is that: if what you want to do constitutes a threat to the health and lives of other people around you. who shun many facets of modern life. The sect exploded into a killing spree. as well defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. Sultans. unprogressive and nonsensical thoughts about our society. in an attempt to curtail the excesses. innocent people. Strangely. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the internationally accepted fundamental human rights.>>>>>> 2. Mullet said that she believes the government is trying to split up the community. are deeply religious and believe the Bible instructs women to let their hair grow long and men to grow beards and stop shaving once they marry. attacking Emirs. citizens and foreigners allover Northern Nigeria. the longest term of the 16 defendants in the case. Govt property and personnel. sentencing and imprisonment in separate facilities as far away as Louisiana. churches. irrespective of how you feel about it. destructions and intimidations as their tactics. Amish. You cannot do whatever you like in a bona fide society with laws! Everything you do MUST comply with the laws. there were casualties on both sides and unfortunately one of the leaders died. destruction and intimidations. Even as the Amish people wanted to do their thing. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather. schools. which means cutting the hair would be shameful and offensive.

As we speak. PA today. that gave me some . PA. Methinks that the same perspicacious treatment you give to work-related issues -which has ennobled you into the status of a renowned Bacteriologist.com>. In 1985.com. their pumps are powered by the wind. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time.com. do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people. That is the way of civility. the “due process” will commence appropriately! In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care. NY. the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. The US government did not attack them but rather. Of course. Ola Kassim Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups. They do not inter-marry. If you go to Lancaster. instituted a law suit.com [mailto:NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. What did the police do? They attacked them Is there a parallel in the US? Of course. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people.is exactly what you are expected to do with this issue! Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group.safety and senseless menace to a society that is in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. 'Yan Arewa'. In 1972. Initially. rafsanjanikano@gmail. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. use electricity and seek formal education beyond 8th grade. talkhard@yahoogroups. build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized. Joan Oviawe Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Dr Joe Igietseme. <stevek941@yahoo. Last year. JUI From: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. they were going after muslims clerics. and the perpetrators are apprehended. the Amish people of Lancaster. who in their opinion were not pure muslims. I just wonder what we probably missed as a Nation. they still ride their horse-driven carts.com] On Behalf Of rotimi Fashakin Sent: Wednesday. we came to US for my son's MBA graduation and he opted for a Naija restaurant in Queens. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. after securing lives and properties of citizens from the terror [by whatever means necessary]. May 01. ride automobiles.com. 2013 3:29 AM To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Besides. I saw as part of their menu. suya Obalende.com.com. I ate in an Amish restaurant. Nobody has disturbed them.

Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol. in the course of their struggle with the Nigerian authority? May be.com>. That was it.are not deep at all. I was in a prayer meeting in Akure (organised by Gen Gowon) on June 6. But that was not the initial objective of the group. Just my two-kobo contribution! Rotimi. We are now hearing that they desire an Islamic state. <stevek941@yahoo. just like their leader (Mohammed Yussuf). jaji where I did my youth service). He commanded a small unit during the civil war.nostalgic feeling. When asked.com> . I have told this story before but. The late General MB Haladu told me (whilst being the Commandant of NASI. The way of civility is to try them in our Courts! It is my opinion that the police men that killed mohammed Yussuf and the other youths (which Al-Jazeera showed us) must be tried for murder. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: "Igietseme. 1 May 2013 00:22:57 +0000 To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. would there ever be anything called 'suya obalende'? Let the truth be told: we (as a Nation) goofed in our initial handling of the Boko -haram issue. The Kano-born General then ordered the firing squad be set up at the very spot where the killing was done. two soldiers from his unit killed two Nigerians of Igbo extraction. Yes! How do we move forward? If Boko haram insurgents are killed in their shoot-out with JTF soldiers. That was very instructive! Many of the commentaries I have been reading -even from respected academics. searching for Boko-haram and killing every unarmed youth in sight! It is equally reprehensible for the Nigerian security forces to kill extra-judicially any captured Boko-haram operative. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc. would be willing to tell it again. they should be killed at the very spot where they did the first killing. that is OK. But it is abominable for JTF soldiers to go from house to house.gov> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. I wondered aloud what would have happened if the yorubas in lagos had shown immense hostility to the Hausa/fulani settling in Obalende many years ago. Could they have been infiltrated by terror organisations of this world. the murderous two-some averred that the victims were Biafrans! So Gen Haladu set up a court-martial which found them guilty. Gowon told us that we should thank God for the nation that the people they fought did not resort to guerrilla warfare instead of surrendering. Justice had been done.com Date: Wed. We do not show any understanding of the issues. Now it has snowballed into a big calamity. After the war.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. 1998(two days before Abacha's death).com>. because of its relevance to this case. If found guilty.com><stevek941@yahoo.

when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC.com>. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. What else constitutes a threat to public safety.com>. Don’t you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices. destructions and intimidations as their tactics. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent.com> 'Yan Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Stevek. civil liberties and public safety. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society.com Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties. In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care. JUI ----------------------------------------.com<talkhard@yahoogroups.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups.ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>. talkhard@yahoogroups. such as what we have with Boko Haram. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. rafsanjanikano@gmail.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather.Original Message -----------------------------------------------------------From: Stevek Date: 4/30/2013 1:46 PM . build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized. Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX.com>. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Arewa'<yanarewa@yahoogroups.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. and the members use killing of innocent people. human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy.

com. Constitution.com.com.nigerianid@yahoogroups.Raayiriga@yahoogroups. both civil and criminal. Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process. or property. Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram. especially in the courts. The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U. without due process of law. the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness.com. That NIDO thing again. Yet. Subject: Re: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS That's what I thought. which provides "No person shall…be deprived of life.usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole! due process of law n.com. While somewhat indefinite. you Olola. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com. You guys amaze me.com. including notice of rights.NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not. must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result.To: OlaKassimMD@aol. want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to.S." and is applied to all states by the 14th .com. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters.com.rafsanjanikano@gmail. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice.naijaintellects@googlegr oups. liberty.

com Sent: Tuesday.com. . rafsanjanikano@gmail.Amendment.com> To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups. 2013 1:23 PM Subject: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS JUI: . we have to learn to think or perish.com. naijaintellects@googlegroups.David Hume ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: "OlaKassimMD@aol. DC.com.com. USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves.com. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. nigerianid@yahoogroups.com. April 30. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria! As Africans. Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Stevek Washington.com Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence .com" <OlaKassimMD@aol.

com>. Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they could get their 72 virgins in heaven? Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter? Bye.com>.com>. Serious ailments need serious solutions! As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate these miscreants. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc. .I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them. When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre.Original Message ----From: Igietseme.com>Cc: 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.gov>To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com <naijaintellects@googlegroups. Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture. usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups. How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd? How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the Boko Haram terrorists The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Ola ---. Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?.com>. rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail.

com naijaintellects@googlegroups com.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups. NO WAY!!! Take care. Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS After the Boston marathon bombings. rafsanjanikano@gmail. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue. . a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control.com>. rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill. Apr 30.the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians. 2013 10:51 amSubject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Nigerians are just emotional wretches. <naijaintellects@googlegroups. A bunch of mindless. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Obi Sent: Tuesday. 2013 1:16:45 PM . April 30.com?] On Behalf Of E.com>.com' <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. JUI From: naijaintellects@googlegroups. EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>Sent: Tue.com>.com. Apr 30.'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.

National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. Even in war situations. so as to develop mutual respect. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. ethno-religious violence and rape. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. kidnapping. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation.-BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to . The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. Armed robbery. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. hunger and deaths of women and children. communal clashes. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. To do this. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. political violence. CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention.

legislative aides. non-profit legislative advocacy. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith.net/ . This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. information sharing and research organization. By Bullet Garden.the rules of engagement in such situation. lobbying. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. Abuja .NigeriaWebsite: http://www. Off Shehu Shagari Way. by enhancing lobbying strategies. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights. politicians and the civil society. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. manpower development for lawmakers. Area 11 Junction. from all indications. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people.Asokoro. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)Address: No. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate. engagement of bills before their passage into law.cislacnigeria.

For more options. visit https://groups. naija.com._.___ Igietseme. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group._. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) via yahoogroups.gov .google.org.google. To post to this group.To post to this group. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. Yan. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group. cislac@cislac.net. __.google.com/groups/opt_out._.com. For more options.com._.Always display images from jbi8@cdc. Display images below .google. visit https://groups.kabissa. Raayiriga.___ Reply via web post Reply to sender Messages in this topic (6) Recent Activity: New Members 5 Reply to group Start a New Topic Visit Your Group MARKETPLACE Yahoo! Groups Switch to: Text-Only. Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of Use • Send us Feedback . Visit this group at http://groups. 07034118266 -.. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.Visit this group at http://groups. __. 08052370333.com 3:18 PM (22 minutes ago) to NIgerianWorldF. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo.comGSM: +234-8033844646.com.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. rafsanjanikano@yahoo.Email: info@cislacnigeria.com.com/groups/opt_out. talkhard. nigerianid Images are not displayed.

use electricity and seek formal education . thanks toyin On Wed. the Amish people of Lancaster. stevek941. 2013 at 2:54 PM. who in their opinion were not pure muslims. May 01. rafsanjanikano. Rotimi Fantastic contribution from JUI! We thank God our people are struggling to defend the integrity of our country against shallow and dangerous ideas.com> 3:33 PM (7 minutes ago) to Raayiriga.com [mailto:NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Joan.___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. May 1. 2013 8:47 AM To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jbi8@cdc. JUI From: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. Initially.How do you discuss “due process” with a Suicide terrorist or bomber? Is it not when an offender allows him/herself to be arrested that you see the need for due process? What type of “due process” could have been applied to curtail the Japanese Kamikazes [o n suicide bombing of US facilities] outside of shooting them down? JUI thinks Stevek et al are just joking and stretching this issue for academic discussion sake! Take care. NIgerianWorldF.com] On Behalf Of Gregg Sent: Wednesday. talkhard. they were going after muslims clerics. Yan.com Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] Re: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS __. Ola. They forbade themselves from seeking western education._. We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. naija.gov> wrote: “”””””Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group._. Igietseme. PA.. What did the police do? They attacked them Is there a parallel in the US? Of course. ride automobiles. They do not inter-marry.

the Amish need not pay either motor vehicle registration fees or motor fuel taxes. In 1972. bicyclists. PA today. aged 14 and 15. 1972. Supreme Court affirmed this. they will face instant prosecution! See the following historical encounters between the Amish Community and the US Govts over the years: (a) The Amish do not usually educate their children past the eighth grade. believing that the basic knowledge offered up to that point is sufficient to prepare one for the Amish lifestyle. As some of us have observed over the years. Jonas Yoder and Wallace Miller of the Old Order Amish. listen intently to JUI who has spend almost 30 years in the US [schooled here. they have to obey the laws of the land! If they don’t. ”””””Unquote Chief [Engr] Rotimi Fashakin Chief. On May 19. the United States Internal Revenue Service agreed in 1961 that they did not need to pay Social Security-related taxes. has resided in 4 States. your occasional trips to the US [such as the possibility of getting a degree here or coming for your Son’s MBA graduation and flying back to Nigeria] have now made you a US Expertise. You just displayed that appalling practice with your Amish example excerpted from your statement below. instituted a law suit. In Wisconsin v. were each fined $5 for refusing to send their children. has a family here. the Wisconsin Supreme Court overturned the conviction. In 1985.[52] On this basis.S. According to your example. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people. Now. to high school. but you have essentially mis-spoke and misled anybody who would mistakenly use the baseless information you forged out of imagined and assumed picture of how things work here! And it is a habit that most of you should QUIT! It is not helping Nigeria or other developing societies because the fact is that things are more REAL than apparent to your superficial observations and experiences in the US. and has visited over 40 of the 50 States of the Union!]: 1. finding the benefits of universal education do not justify a violation of the Free Exercise Clause of the First Amendment. In 1965. and Adin Yutzy of the Conservative Amish Mennonite Church. Amish pay sales and property taxes. generally the Amish do not agree with the idea of Social Security benefits and have a religious objection to insurance. the greatest danger Nigeria and several developing societies face and causing the apparent thread-milling in societal development is the tendency of a “fly-over” or “lay-over” experience abroad to qualify some people as “experienced” sojourners and experts in the ways of the developed societies. In many communities. The US government did not attack them but rather. the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. which are typically one-room schoolhouses with teachers (young unmarried women) from the Amish community. do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people. Almost no Amish go to high school and college. Even as the Amish people wanted to do their thing. .[51] Under their beliefs and traditions.[50] (b) Like other citizens. If you go to Lancaster. But even though their buggies.beyond 8th grade. and pedestrians use public highways. Yoder. the Amish operate their own schools. I ate in an Amish restaurant.[49] and the U. on a stable professional career here.

according to Philadelphia Police spokeswoman Jillian Russell. provides a reasonable level of living for its dependent members and has existed continuously since December 31. The Schaibles were sentenced to probation over prison time. The couple have been serving a 10-year probation sentence in the 2009 death of 2-year-old Kent Schaible. Supreme Court in 1982 clarified that Amish employers are not exempt. At a hearing Monday. Pennsylvania law says parents have a legal duty to protect their children's health and safety. United States Social Security. Second child of faith-healing couple dies after no medical care. after he suffered with diarrhea and breathing problems for days. Defense attorneys argued that their clients did not know how sick the child was. By Dan Stamm. Herbert Schaible. An official cause of death is pending an autopsy. NBCPhiladelphia.[55](c (c) http://nbcphiladelphia.S. the Schaibles' lawyers said the parents were targeted because their fundamentalist Christian beliefs espouse faith healing.probably even overthe-counter medication -. Authorities have yet to file criminal charges in the death of the child last week. Philadelphia Judge Benjamin Lerner said the Schaibles violated the most important condition of their probation: to seek medical care for their remaining children. But charges could be filed once authorities pinpoint how the boy died. but only those Amish individuals who are self-employed.[53] Self-employed individuals in certain sects do not pay into.When asked for comment outside his Rhawnhurst home Friday.this policy was codified into law.[54] The U. died last week.denverpost. 1950. who have seven other children.com.com.The child was taken to a funeral home by an as yet unknown individual and the undertaker alerted police. according to police. The 8-month-old son of Herbert and Catherine Schaible.” (d) Another 2013 Govt sentencing case: http://www. During their trial. 44. In 2010. although the law does not specify if or when medical care must be sought. A faith-healing couple serving probation for the death of their 2-year-old son is in trouble once again after a second child died. Prosecutors said Kent could have been saved with basic medical care -. a jury convicted the Schaibles. fundamentalist Christians who believe in the power of prayer ahead of modern medicine.but the couple relied on prayer instead. told NBC10’s Chris Cato. nor receive benefits from. Russell said. to immediately consult with a doctor when a child became sick and to follow the doctor’s treatment recommendations. and their beliefs played no role in their decision. As part of their sentence. This exemption applies to members of a religious group that is conscientiously opposed to accepting benefits of any private or public insurance.comTop of Form . the Schaibles were required to arrange medical examinations for each of their children. “We don’t want to talk. of involuntary manslaughter and child endangerment in Kent's death from pneumonia.

killing and destroying for a while. irrespective of how you feel about it. You cannot do whatever you like in a bona fide society with laws! Everything you do MUST comply with the laws. they don’t attack other people to force them to adopt the Amish religious and simple ways. there were casualties on both sides and unfortunately one of the leaders died. there was a clash between sect members and security agents. was accused of orchestrating the attacks and was sentenced to 15 years. Govt property and personnel. citizens and foreigners allover . If not. in an attempt to curtail the excesses. mosques. which means cutting the hair would be shameful and offensive.and beard-cutting attacks against fellow Amish. an argument prosecutors reject. Sultans. All 16 defendants have appealed. Even as the Amish people wanted to do their thing. innocent people.png http://photos. are deeply religious and believe the Bible instructs women to let their hair grow long and men to grow beards and stop shaving once they marry. Ohio (AP) – The last of 16 Amish from a community in rural eastern Ohio will be taken to federal prison on Friday convicted of hate crimes for hair. Mullet said that she believes the government is trying to split up the community. how come you did not tell us that there was no instance of an Amish attack during your flyover in the US? You can’t be selective on these things. The defendants don’t deny the hair-cuttings but contend they stemmed from family disputes that should have been handled internally. schools. 2013 By · BERGHOLZ. sentencing and imprisonment in separate facilities as far away as Louisiana.Subscribe via RSS content/themes/mcenter/images/mcenter. destruction and intimidations. you will feel the weight of the law!! Boko Haram has been harassing. you will face IMMEDIATE expungement or put-away! 3.” said Martha Mullet. Minnesota and Connecticut violates their constitutional rights and amounts to cruel and unusual punishment. In your example with the Amish. the longest term of the 16 defendants in the case. arguing that the group’s conviction. attacking Emirs.denverpost. “We have to keep our spirits up for the children’s sake. The sect exploded into a killing spree.com/wp- Photos: Amish community disrupted by hate crime convictions Posted Apr 10. whose husband. churches. Sam Mullet Sr. and that underscored the point.>>>>>> 2. Amish. who shun many facets of modern life. that things are more REAL in the US than a fly-over guest or student will appreciate to him/her an expert on American ways! The fact and reality of the situation in the US is that: if what you want to do constitutes a threat to the health and lives of other people around you.

We are REALLY strange people in deed! As we have said previously. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate. Strangely. Joan Oviawe Subject: Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Dr Joe Igietseme. instead of wondering why Govt has not taken more effective and serious steps to filter these nuisances from society.com] On Behalf Of rotimi Fashakin Sent: Wednesday.com.com>. destructions and intimidations as their tactics. some of us are here blaming Govt’s agents for attempting to quell the terror. and the members use killing of innocent people. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. <stevek941@yahoo. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the internationally accepted fundamental human rights. rafsanjanikano@gmail. after securing lives and properties of citizens from the terror [by whatever means necessary]. it is IMPORTANT for us to realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties.com.com. Methinks that the same perspicacious treatment you give to work-related issues -which has ennobled you into the status of a renowned Bacteriologist. Ola Kassim Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com [mailto:NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. What else constitutes a threat to public safety and senseless menace to a society that is in a desperate need for a peaceful polity to grow its democracy. as well defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent. build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized. and the perpetrators are apprehended. they were going after muslims clerics. talkhard@yahoogroups. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather. Initially. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. Besides. JUI From: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com.Northern Nigeria. the “due process” will commence appropriately! In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care. One really wonders how petty politicking can blind some of us to the point of adopting these warped. May 01. . 2013 3:29 AM To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. unprogressive and nonsensical thoughts about our society. 'Yan Arewa'. who in their opinion were not pure muslims.com.is exactly what you are expected to do with this issue! Boko Haram started as a socio-religious group that was a kind of puritanical group. such as what we have with Boko Haram.

just like their leader (Mohammed Yussuf). the Amish people of Lancaster. suya Obalende. because of its relevance to this case. do not be surprised that the grocery shop you are in may be owned by Amish people. they should be killed at the very spot where they did the first killing. Justice had been done. When asked. Now it has snowballed into a big calamity. But it is abominable for JTF soldiers to go from house to house. Of course. After the war.We read of early morning raids in mosques at that time. But that was not the initial objective of the group. I was in a prayer meeting in Akure (organised by Gen Gowon) on June 6. instituted a law suit. Gowon told us that we should thank God for the nation that the people they fought did not resort to guerrilla warfare instead of surrendering. ride automobiles. we came to US for my son's MBA graduation and he opted for a Naija restaurant in Queens. We are now hearing that they desire an Islamic state. They have found a way to integrate the Amish people. The late General MB Haladu told me (whilst being the Commandant of NASI. I wondered aloud what would have happened if the yorubas in lagos had shown immense hostility to the Hausa/fulani settling in Obalende many years ago. In 1985. 1998(two days before Abacha's death). the US supreme Court forbade anyone from interfering with the decision of the group as part of their fundamental rights. jaji where I did my youth service). they still ride their horse-driven carts. That was it. Could they have been infiltrated by terror organisations of this world. searching for Boko-haram and killing every unarmed youth in sight! It is equally reprehensible for the Nigerian security forces to kill extra-judicially any captured Boko-haram operative. would there ever be anything called 'suya obalende'? Let the truth be told: we (as a Nation) goofed in our initial handling of the Boko -haram issue. In 1972. The US government did not attack them but rather. two soldiers from his unit killed two Nigerians of Igbo extraction. He commanded a small unit during the civil war. would be willing to tell it again. NY. The way of civility is to try them in our Courts! It is my opinion that the police men that killed mohammed Yussuf and the other youths (which Al-Jazeera showed us) must be tried for murder. their pumps are powered by the wind. They started as a puritanical religious group in Europe and later became a socio-religious group (in the US) that loathes modern comfort of life. in the course of their struggle with the Nigerian authority? May be. PA today. I saw as part of their menu. use electricity and seek formal education beyond 8th grade. They do not inter-marry. The Kano-born General then ordered the firing squad be set up at the very spot where the killing was done. that gave me some nostalgic feeling. They forbade themselves from seeking western education. What did the police do? They attacked them Is there a parallel in the US? Of course. Nobody has disturbed them. the murderous two-some averred that the victims were Biafrans! So Gen Haladu set up a court-martial which found them guilty. Yes! How do we move forward? If Boko haram insurgents are killed in their shoot-out with JTF soldiers. That is the way of civility. I just wonder what we probably missed as a Nation. That was very instructive! . If found guilty. PA. I ate in an Amish restaurant. I have told this story before but. Last year. If you go to Lancaster. that is OK. As we speak.

and the members use killing of innocent people. they are not being forced to do anything! Rather. Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID)" <jigietseme@cdc. Just my two-kobo contribution! Rotimi.com<Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Sent from my BlackBerry wireless device from MTN From: "Igietseme.com<NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. civil liberties and public safety.gov> Sender: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com<usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>. talkhard@yahoogroups.com Cc: Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com Date: Wed. destructions and intimidations as their tactics. civilized modern society! Their ancestral land is not occupied. What else constitutes a threat to public safety.com>.com<talkhard@yahoogroups.com><stevek941@yahoo. this religious sect wants to impose its doctrine on the rest of society. human rights and senseless menace to a society in a desperate need for a peaceful . Arewa'<yanarewa@yahoogroups.com> ReplyTo: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. they have not been denied the rights to worship as they choose or like. Boston bombers etc in USA! It is IMPORTANT for us realize that the consideration of “due process” is secondary to the “immediate response” to any mindless terror threat to lives and public properties. when it became necessary to hunt down the terror snipers in DC. Go find out what happened to the Dravidian sect in Waco TX.com<rafsanjanikano@gmail.are not deep at all.com>.com> 'Yan Subject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Stevek. Ola Kassim<olakassimmd@aol. usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. such as what we have with Boko Haram. 1 May 2013 00:22:57 +0000 To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. <stevek941@yahoo.Many of the commentaries I have been reading -even from respected academics. Don’t you think that most people will consider it the appropriate Rule of Law enforcement to use adequate Police or military action to stop terrorists and protect the majority of citizens from mindless individual or group's terrors? I think some of us should go find out how these issues have been handled in the most developed/ civilized societies that we all look up to for global best practices in democratic practices.com>. We do not show any understanding of the issues.com>.com>. BH members are not fighting any legitimate cause that meet the human rights defined by the United Nations or embraced by any decent.

Yet. want homosexuals to be married without hinder because they have a right to. In the apt words of US President Harry Truman: “Unusual problems require uncommon solutions”! Take care. JUI ----------------------------------------. You guys amaze me.com.Original Message -----------------------------------------------------------From: Stevek Date: 4/30/2013 1:46 PM To: OlaKassimMD@aol.Raayiriga@yahoogroups. Both of you are staying put in your respective foreign stations because of the benefit of the Rule of Law and Due Process.nigerianid@yahoogroups. innocent lives are being mindlessly terminated and property destructions range in the billions? There is no serious society that discusses “due process” under such a climate.usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com.com.com.com.NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups. build her functional institutions and advance scientifically and technologically? Where is the room for “due process” in a situation where citizens are being terrorized.rafsanjanikano@gmail. Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups. Subject: Re: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS That's what I thought.naijaintellects@googlegr oups. That NIDO thing again.com.polity to grow its democracy.com. You are as logical and consistent as a square peg in a round hole! . nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com. But you don't care if this man that has been murdered is really guilty of anything or not. you Olola. But this guy that is murderd without due process should because it makes you feel better that you are doing something against Boko Haram.com.

due process of law n. a fundamental principle of fairness in all legal matters, both civil and criminal, especially in the courts. All legal procedures set by statute and court practice, including notice of rights, must be followed for each individual so that no prejudicial or unequal treatment will result. While somewhat indefinite, the term can be gauged by its aim to safeguard both private and public rights against unfairness. The universal guarantee of due process is in the Fifth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which provides "No pers on shall…be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law," and is applied to all states by the 14th Amendment. From this basic principle flows many legal decisions determining both procedural and substantive rights I hope your turn doesn't come one day as you visit Nigeria!

As Africans, we have to learn to think or perish.

Stevek Washington, DC, USA

A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. - Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence - David Hume

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: "OlaKassimMD@aol.com" <OlaKassimMD@aol.com>

To: NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com; naijaintellects@googlegroups.com; usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com; rafsanjanikano@gmail.com Cc: yanarewa@yahoogroups.com; Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com; nigerianid@yahoogroups.com; nigeriansncanada@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 1:23 PM Subject: NigerianID | Re: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

JUI: I share your sentiments and frustrations--some Nigerians can indeed be emotional wretches as you referred to them. When dog bites man no one complains but when man bites dog some start yelling massacre. Are the lives of the Boko Haram terrorists worth more than those of their victims?. How many innocent police officers and soldiers have been killed by the Boko Haram terrorists in the past few years--without all the hue and cry from the holier than thou crowd? How many hundreds of civilians have lost their lives and limbs at the hands of the Boko Haram terrorists The Boko Haram terrorists are like a cancerous sore in the nation. Serious ailments need serious solutions! As long as the federal authorities are taking the necessary care to avoid collateral civilian casualties the government forces should be using whatever arsenals they have in their possession to eradicate these miscreants. Capturing the terrorists alive so they could be tried remains an option only in situations where the federal forces would not risk their lives to ensure their capture.

Why are some people crying on behalf of terrorists--when they would rather die so they could get their 72 virgins in heaven?

Why are some Nigerians playing politics with this serious matter? Bye, Ola

---- Original Message ----From: Igietseme, Joseph (CDC/OID/NCEZID) (CDC/OID/NCEZID) <jigietseme@cdc.gov>To: naijaintellects@googlegroups com <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>; usaafricadialogue <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com>; rafsanjanikano <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>Cc: 'Yan Arewa' <yanarewa@yahoogroups.com>; Raayiriga <Raayiriga@yahoogroups.com>; 'NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com' <NIgerianWorldForum@yahoogroups.com>Sent: Tue, Apr 30, 2013 10:51 amSubject: [NIgerianWorldForum] RE: BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

Nigerians are just emotional wretches, a confused bunch of people who like to eat their cake and still hold it in their hands! Let them go see how laws are enforced around the world and they will realized that the baby gloves with which the Govt and people are handling Boko Haram is mainly responsible for why the situation is till not under control. A bunch of mindless, rag-tag religionists cannot hold a nation to ransom and render citizens’ live in a standstill; NO WAY!!! Take care. JUI

From: naijaintellects@googlegroups.com [mailto:naijaintellects@googlegroups.com?] On Behalf Of E. Obi Sent: Tuesday, April 30, 2013 9:24 AM To: usaafricadialogue@googlegroups.com; rafsanjanikano@gmail.com

naijaintellects@googlegroups

com;

Subject: Re: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS

After the Boston marathon bombings. ,the huge city of Boston was locked down and law enforcement agencies NOT the army meticulously searched for and apprehended the suspect without massacaring Bostonians.

It is considered very unprofessional not to accept the opportunity to play a . Armed robbery. To do this. CISLAC is of the opinion that there should be a better mutual understanding of cultures and systems between humanitarian aid workers and troops. Relief workers are yet to be allowed access to Baga town days after the start of the military operations that left at least 200 people dead and so many homes burnt down. The failure of this government to sincerely handle the insecurity and protect Nigerians from violence orchestrated by merchants of violence through Bombings. This is in spite of the huge resources allocated for security sector in Nigeria which runs into trillions of naira. but yet Nigerians face more security challenges. communal clashes. ethno-religious violence and rape. 2013 1:16:45 PM -BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is worried about the continued violent violation of human rights by the security agencies on innocent Nigerians. Apr 30.com>. helps to escalate impunity in Nigeria. Subject: [Naijaintellects] BAGA MASSACRE: CISLAC CONDEMNS MILITARY BRUTALITY ON INNOCENT CIVILIANS Sent: Tue.EUO Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android From: Auwal Musa <rafsanjanikano@gmail.com>. The recent development of mass massacre in Baga Town of Borno State is very unfortunate and in particular the alleged blocking access of relief materials to the affected victims days after the mayhem is inhumane and amount to siege. relief materials are distributed to alleviate the sufferings of the people. it would be useful to put in place a programme of strategic and operational discussions at all levels. kidnapping. political violence. <naijaintellects@googlegroups.com>. so as to develop mutual respect. The residents said troops fired indiscriminately and set fires at homes in an apparent retaliation over the death of an officer. To: <usaafricadialogue@googlegroups. Even in war situations. National Emergency Management Agency (NEMA) and Red Cross have raised alarm over its inability to administer humanitarian response to victims which is a total contradiction to the United Nation Protocol on options for responding to such crises.

CISLAC considers this a coercive military intervention. from all indications. CISLAC therefore calls on the National Assembly to investigate the trillions of Naira allocated to the executives in the name of security votes. hunger and deaths of women and children. We condemn this and call for investigation into the Baga saga. it must not eclipse and violate rights of civilians. insecurity is proving to be a lucrative business which financial appropriation is unaccounted for. not as an argument about the ‘right to intervene’ but about the ‘responsibility to protect’ and put in place a proper coordination of Humanitarian Affairs in the community to safeguard the lives of people.more dynamic role on how to coordinate and respond to emergencies which was created by it (the Army) in the first place. and its aim at facilitating inter-agency analysis and decision making in response to humanitarian emergencies should not be an issue for negotiation considering that access to food is part of civilian protection. These sorts of violations are parts of the image challenges that the nation had suffered over the years from the international community when some Nigerian Army officers were sent for international peace mission. CISLAC calls on the authorities to investigate these Army and Police officers involved in this heinous act and ensure that they are not allowed participating in any peacekeeping operations forthwith. This menace has gone on too long and needs to seriously be challenged. CISLAC calls on relevant authorities to refrain from the current faceoff in Baga. It must be understood that continuous refusal to provide access humanitarian officials to the victims would further create an outbreak of diseases. even though a military component of some kind has become increasingly necessary in most crises situation. Major humanitarian actors from both within and outside Borno. We consider this siege an impunity which is unacceptable and a contradiction to the rules of engagement in such situation. Signed by Auwal Musa Rafsanjani Executive Director CISLAC .

You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group.Asokoro. 08052370333.net/ Email: info@cislacnigeria. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups. cislac@cislac.7 Mahathma Gandhi Street. For more options. By Bullet Garden. lobbying. 07034118266 -.kabissa.Visit this group at http://groups.com> 3:34 PM (6 minutes ago) .google. as well as civic education on the tenets of democracy and Human Rights. To post to this group.___ Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail.com. engagement of bills before their passage into law.To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. cislacnationalassembly@yahoo. politicians and the civil society. send email to naijaintellects@googlegroups.com/groups/opt_out.cislacnigeria. (CISLAC) works towards bridging the gap between the legislature and the electorate.For more options. manpower development for lawmakers.NigeriaWebsite: http://www.com.net.comGSM: +234-8033844646.com. Off Shehu Shagari Way. legislative aides. CISLAC has UN ECOSOC consultative status AUWAL IBRAHIM MUSA (RAFSANJANI)EXECUTIVE DIRECTORCivil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC)Address: No.com/groups/opt_out. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it. Visit this group at http://groups.Civil Society Legislative Advocacy Centre (CISLAC) is a non-governmental. -You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "naijaintellects" group.google._.google._. information sharing and research organization.com. non-profit legislative advocacy. visit https://groups. rafsanjanikano@yahoo.To post to this group. send an email to naijaintellects+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en. visit https://groups.google. Abuja . __.org. by enhancing lobbying strategies. Area 11 Junction.com/group/naijaintellects?hl=en.

. that a human being can be shot while in handcuffs in overwhelming police cusody instead of taking human being to trial as they do in Atalanta. have never lived among them. probably. an argument that is irrelevant in this case.to NIgerianWorldF. Yan. stevek941. Yan.. Ola. Stick to the issue if you are still claiming. And what Rotimi wrote about the Amish people is true and did not require the long obsfuscation you delved in if you. abhorr misleading readers here to make your strange point that it is ok for the police to shoot a suspect because of possible affiliations to a group you don't like. Joan. stevek941. thanks toyin Stevek 3:30 PM (27 minutes ago) to NIgerianWorldF. naija. usaafricadialo. Gregg sums it up toyin Oluwatoyin Adepoju <ovadepoju@gmail. rafsanjanikano. Joan Excellent from Ukpong Ekam.. You are beating about the bush and making mountains out of molehills. Rotimi Joe. you are obfuscating. Just as you just showed some knowledge of the Amish even though you. That's is the issue. A suspected perpertrator is shot dead while in handcuffs and in overwhelming police custody. know more about the Roman Empire than an uneducated Roman. truly. a universal standard in civilized societies. Ola. usaafricadialo. And who says you have to live in the US for 30 years before you know the customs here? I never lived in Rome but I. rafsanjanikano. Raayiriga. probably.. In other words. was circumvented.com> 3:35 PM (5 minutes ago) to talkhard. Raayiriga. GA. talkhard. NIgerianWorldF. We say it shouldn't have happened in view of the doctrine of 'innocent until proven guilty by a competent court of law' and that due process. You and other NIDO types disagree because of the attributes of Boko Haram.. as Fubara did not.

the plight of thousands of innocent Nigerians massacred and disabled by the BH terrorists does not . The argument is simple.. Nobody is saying that Boko Haram insurgents should be invited for questioning over ITA while they are left uninteferred with in spreading terror and mayhem.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence . DC. we have to learn to think or perish. Rotimi. nigerianworldf. Stevek Washington. nigerianid Joe.Always display images from thepeoplessister@gmail.Stevek A wise man proportions his beliefs to the evidence . talkhard. Display images below . USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves. . The way you keep going of in a tanget and ferverishly beating the bush on this is strange? Am I missing something? As Africans. there is a tendency to ignore silent and voiceless victims! So. Yan. Nigerian Images are not displayed.com You see. Raayiriga. naija. . USA A society of supine lambs breeds erect wolves..David Hume Stevek 3:37 PM (19 minutes ago) to NIgerianWorldF. in Nigeria. No one who is a suspect lawbreaker should be shot by the Police while in handcuffs and under overwhelming Police custody.As Africans. DC. Stevek Washington. we have to learn to think or perish.com 3:54 PM (4 minutes ago) to edo-nationality. You need to stop this.David Hume dAme jOo via yahoogroups.

leaving no doubt that any act of insurgency will be met with the full weight and force at the disposal of the U. During the attack. a government investigation concluded in 2000 that sect members themselves had started the fire at the time of the attack. He may also want to look-up the various separatist groups in the U. the FBI launched an assault and initiated a tear gas attack in an attempt to force the Branch Davidians out. the standoff lasting 51 days. women. died. lived at Mount Carmel Center ranch in the community of Elk. It bears reminding also that we are all potential victims of Boko Haram. Fashakin is going with his commentary. Controversy ensued over the origin of the fire.S. 1993." http://en. a Christian sect led by David Koresh. Tobacco and Firearms (ATF) attempted to raid the ranch. The incident began when the Bureau of Alcohol.[6][7] nine miles (14 kilometers) east-northeast of Waco. Who is speaking for the victims here? Saludos. govt. Timothy McVeigh cited the Waco incident as a primary motivation for the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing. For when the terrorists strike.wikipedia. Texas. jOo "The Waco siege(sometimes called the "Waco massacre"[4]) was a siege of a compound belonging to the religious group Branch Davidians by the United States federal and Texas state law enforcement and military between February 28 and April 19. law enforcement (I have cut and pasted a wikipedia entry about the sect below).[5] The Branch Davidians. a fire engulfed Mount Carmel Center and 76 men. Eventually.S. It's a crying shame that the Nigerian leadership is so weak that it has become en vogue to demand the trial of police officers who "murdered" Boko Haram insurgents while the same BH members who are killing countless of Nigerians are been touted for amnesty. and children.S. An intense gun battle erupted. Upon the ATF's failure to raid the compound. Perhaps he should be reminded of WACO. they are not going to separate those who sympathize with them from those who condemn them.[8][9]including David Koresh. and how the American government watches them like a hawk round the clock. Texas and what happened to the religious sectthe Branch Davidian during their standoff with U.matter in the scramble to provide a justification for the mindless killing orgy and macabre jihadism of these blood-thirsty terrorists? I really don't know where Engr. The group was suspected of weapons violations and a search and arrest warrant was obtained. a siege was initiated by the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI). resulting in the deaths of four agents and six Branch Davidians.org/wiki/Waco_siege .