The majority of this info below is taken from a Vaccine debate I was recently thrown into.

This is only my side as I do not have permission to show the other side but in the interests of it not being one sided the reasons the majority of people are pro is because they believe vaccines are the reason a lot of diseases have been wiped out, they believe that scientific proof is fact and that the Pharmaceutical industrys studies are the truth. Vaccines are credited with an increase in life span and the fact that infant mortality rates have increased significantly since the introduction of vaccines. If anyone would like to add anything else from the pro side please feel free. In my view we should not be on pro or anti sides but should all be sharing our information with the common goal of protecting our children, after all both sides cannot be right. Vaccines either cause Autism or they dont, so lets all share what we know. This is what I know. Millions of children throughout the world now have Autism. Ryan Mojabi in the US received brain injury after the MMR vaccine and his parents took it to court and won millions of dollars, as did Hannah poling, bailey banks and many more! All won proving that the vaccines caused the autism. Any doctor who speaks out against the pharmaceutical industry is immediately discredited. In order to see the truth you have to see through the lies of the industry. The health of our children speaks for itself, there are more neurological problems than ever before, for no apparent reason? Well there is a reason. Tell a mother whose child has died of toxic poisoning that vaccines are safe, or children who contract measles after the MMR vaccine and left disabled. Their stories are out there but unless you are willing to see the truth you will only believe what you are told by the media and the pharmaceutical industry. Everything has its place and modern medicine can do wonders in such things as emergency care and broken bones but to just believe what they tell you isn't knowledge just brainwashing. If you want to see the truth you need to look at everything not just what is in the TV or pharma approved.

2 million people marched world wide against Monsanto a few months ago. Did you see that on the tv? Just like you won't see that 900 babies die every year in the US as a result of vaccinations and thousands more disabled or retarded. You don't hear the stories of people taking medications and getting stomach cancer and receiving payouts from the pharmaceutical companies, I have met some of these people so I know first hand. I suggest everyone does their own research rather than simply believing what you are told. Why would doctors turn against their own profession knowing they would immediately be discredited? I can give you a list of doctors all who spoke the truth and in turn gave up their livelihood in order to share the information.

Increase in life span is due to proper sewage systems, hygiene, supplies of food and water. My grandmas generation lived / are living into their 90's un vaccinated, no supermarkets full of crap dead food and no pharmaceuticals. The next generation are not living as long and are suffering with more illness and ailments than ever before. The number 1 listed killer on us death reports is death caused by prescription medication taken as directed by a doctor. The number 2 killer is heart attack. What is even better is the pharmaceutical industry including doctors are legally exempted. If these things work why would they need that. Also the pharmaceutical industry by law does not have to publish all its findings as it is deemed against commercial interest so you will only see the studies they want you to that back up what they are selling. (Here I was asked to reference credible sources of information such as medical journals and scientific studies) Medical journals are biased and not necessarily true. Scientific proof is not fact, the truth is the truth regardless of what you believe and what you read that is why it is important to find your own truth and what makes sense to you as you and your children are the ones who have to live with the consequences. (here I was told that scientific proof by definition is fact)

Tobacco companies had thousands of pages of scientific proof that smoking was not only good for you but that it increase lung capacity, which of course we all now know, is not true. There is scientific proof for all of the 250,000 medications that harm and even kill people. Fact is Fact. (Here I was told that Tobacco companies spent millions on experts and lawyers to prove their product was safe which is the case when millions of profit is involved). What was said about the tobacco companies made my point for me. The Pharmaceutical industry is the most profitable in the world, vaccines alone are worth billions. Here is the difference between what you believe and what I believe. Your view will change depending on what is published by the pharmaceuticals my view will remain the same regardless of what they publish. When your entire argument rests on scientific proof you need to realise that it is only your faith in them that keeps you believing this information. As soon as you begin to question the industry and then what they sell the entire system crumbles around you because without your faith it cannot work. The Reason I can say this is because I used to believe exactly what you believe until I began to question it. I didn't not read an article and get scared. I asked questions and gained awareness as did everyone else who has now turned against this industry. If you have never questioned it how do you know what you believe is true? I know that vaccines causes autism as well as many other ailments just as I know cancer is a curable disease. People throughout the world are curing themselves through eating fresh whole foods and alkalising their body, Dr Otto Warburg won the noel prize for proving the root cause of cancer and how to cure it through alkalisation. Do you see alkalising your body with food as a medical treatment for cancer? Doctors are not allowed to recommend this even though it is proven to work. You should ask yourself why? I knew 10 years ago that chemicals in food cause a huge number of illnesses as did many people, these chemicals we're all scientifically

proven as safe, including aspartame. People thought I was crazy but now it has been on the news about colorings and now widely known of the adverse effects of aspartame and guess what now the people that thought I was crazy believe the same thing simply because it made the media. If you really want to know why people are turning against this industry is simply because we began to question what we had been taught to believe our whole lives without question. If you want to have an accurate view as to why people no longer believe these things than you should read the books published by doctors who lived the system, saw first hand the devastating effects these medications and vaccinations had on people and spoke out. Read Dr Robert Mendelsohn's book confessions of a medical heretic. And Dr Carolyn Dean's books death by modern medicine. These will give you a true view as to why people no longer believe in this system. The health of the country speaks for itself. Modern medicine for the most part does not work. Vaccination a guide for making a personal choice by Dr Hans-Peter Studer and Dr Geoffrey Douch. Covers the history of vaccine and disease. I believe firmly that anyone who truly questions their belief in this system will come to the same conclusion. I know all too well that you cannot reason with faith in a system until a person is willing to accept that it is faith that keeps them popping the pills, injecting their kids and accepting whatever they are told by this industry. in the interest of showing evidence through the channels you deem as correct here are some references to medical journals and clinical studies. Here is info directly from medical journals and controlled tests. Worth noting that none of these have been discredited. Where vaccinations against measles and other childhood illness have become virtually compulsory in the US such illness have dwindled to a small fraction of previous figures. Nevertheless local measles epidemics still repeatedly appear with roughly 10 times the number of severe complications than occurred before vaccination (Reference National Vaccination Advisory Committee USA: The measles epidemic JAMA 1991 pg. 266)

Similar Situations arose in Holland in 1999 and 2000 (Ref CF CDC measles outbreak April 1999 and January 2000 in MMWR no 14 April 2000 pg. 299-303 The American Biologist and Nobel prize winner Joshua Lederberg warned that we can expect further 'great catastrophes' such as Aids because mass vaccination intervene too drastically in the natural relationship between pathogens and human beings (Ref J. Lederberg: emerging viruses - emerging threat in -science no 247 1990 pg. 279-280 While mass vaccination lead to the suppression of illness, the natural protection against it, which a population develops over centuries gradually, declines. There is less and less confrontation with naturally occurring pathogens and vaccination protection is invariably weaker than immunity gained through natural infection. As seen in the US example people who have been vaccinated may catch an illness more seldom but can suffer from far more aggravated forms of it when they do catch it. Mass vaccinations can also lead to what is termed a 'pathogen shift' this means that a pathogen suppressed by vaccination can be replaced by another. Indications of this have been observed in Finland where an ambitious mass vaccination program succeeded in suppressing the Hib infections but they were increasingly replaced by more dangerous pneumococcal infections, which lead to pneumonia and meningitis. The total number of encephalitis cases has not decreased nor have the sever long term complications of all reported encephalitis outbreaks despite vaccination (Ref Koskiniemi M. Epidemiology of Encephalitis in children. A prospective multicenter study. Eur J Pediatric 1997 p156 and p 541-5 Over the past few years doctors have observed an increase in sever febrile viral infections often accompanied by slow recovery. The increased susceptibility of children is linked to the absence of childhood diseases as a result of vaccination programs. Mass vaccination programs are associated with compulsion and

enforcement. This is clearest in the case of obligatory vaccinations. Great pressure is also exerted when governments use advertising media to carry slogans such as parents who love their children get them vaccinated, which recently happened in Switzerland. Such pressure is unjustified and of questionable legality. Those who get themselves and their children vaccinated are good while those that don't are bad. Making a personal decision about vaccination always requires careful consideration about whether it makes good sense or not in specific and changing circumstances. When you consider vaccination it is important to weigh up a vaccinations usefulness and risk against usefulness and risk of the corresponding illness. In the case of childhood illnesses, which in first world countries rarely lead to sever complications it is especially necessary to ponder this question. In cultures with low standards of nutrition and hygiene, measles for example has high complications and mortality rates. Find out as much as you can about the possible risks and side effects of a vaccination and what unwelcome long term consequences it could have but also be aware of the complications and damage to your health that can arise in the course of a particular illness. You may come down in favor of vaccination if you child is exposed to a particularly high risk of infection. Be clear when making your personal decision about vaccination that you want the best for your child but there is no such thing as complete certainty. The essential question is whether you can live with the consequences of your decision such as potential complications from either vaccines or natural diseases. New research suggests that even in the case of sever vaccination damage; reports fall consistently short of the true figure. In an English study case histories of hospital patients were compared with vaccination documents. It became clear that complications following the measles vaccination and which required hospitalisation were 5 times higher than had been reported by vaccinating doctors. (Ref: P Farrington et al. A new method for active surveillance of adverse effects from diphtheria / tetanus / pertussis and measels / mumps / rubella vaccines in 'the lancet no 345 1995 p 567- 569

The American center for disease and control (CDC) even estimates that the total figure of reported cases is at least ten times less than the actual number of vaccination complications. (Ref: J.Cassen, D. Classen: 'Hemophilius vaccine increased IDDM casual relationship likely' in British medical journal no 319 1999 p 1133 In the USA where liability is more often contested and with more chance of success than in the UK various manufactures have withdrawn vaccines from the market because there was too high a risk of damages being awarded against them. This is also due to the fact that in the USA the manufacturer has the burden of proof in vaccination damage cases. In the UK claims can be made via the vaccine damage payments unit for people who have suffered severe mental and / or physical disablement of 80% or more as a result of vaccination. If the claim is successful the payment is not compensation but is designed to ease the present and future burden of those suffering from vaccine damage and their families.

In 1991 the amount payable was 30,000In the USA particularly the question has arisen as to whether an increase in the numbers of children suffering from Autism, concentration and behavioral disorders as well as inflammatory vowel disease could also be linked to early and frequent vaccinations. (Ref H.L Coulter: vaccination, social violence, and criminality. The medical assault on the American brain, North Atlantic books, Berkeley CA1990) As early as 1910 the Viennese surgeon R Schmidt highlighted frequent claims by cancer patients that they had always been in good health and rarely suffered from feverish illness (Ref R Schmidt ' Krebs und Infektionskrankheiten' in Medizinische Klinik no 43 1910 p 1630)

At the end of 1940s on finding repeated confirmation of this observation

he came to the conclusion that infectious diseases might offer some protection against cancer. This idea has since been taken up by a number of scientists. In controlled studies British researchers found that women fell ill less frequently with ovarian cancer if they had mumps, measles and German measles as children. (Ref McGowan et al. The women at risk of developing ovarian cancer. In Gynaecological Oncology no 7 1979 p 325-344) In a controlled Swiss study of 379 cancer patients a much lower chance of developing cancer was found in people who had suffered childhood illnesses. The risk of cancer apart from breast cancer fell by 20% for each childhood illness (Ref H.U Albonico et al. Febrile infectious childhood diseases in the history of cancer patients and matched controls - in medical hypotheses no 51 1998 p 315-320

Similar links were discovered by various research studies on patients with Multiple Sclerosis chronic illness of the central nervous system. Many of these patients had suffered from childhood illnesses relatively late or not at all. Childhood illnesses at the proper time seem to reduce the risk of contracting MS later in life (ref J. Kesselring Schweizerisch Medizinische wochenschrift no 20 1990 p 1083-1090) Here is my summary and a few more pieces of info for you to consider. I have referenced court cases showing families who claimed their children suffered brain damage and subsequently autism as a direct result of the MMR vaccine who not only won but received large payouts from the vaccine court in America. I have referenced your deemed sources of authority in medical documents showing that vaccines have done more harm than good. I have given you references to drugs that have killed and harmed thousands of people. I have proved that scientific proof is not fact. What constitutes scientific proof An editor of a scientific journal wrote a letter to several leading scientist

asking for their participation in a study to determine "what constitutes scientific proof?" The first reply came back from a man who wrote a very short note. He wrote "it is much too difficult for me, I doubt seriously that I could make a significant contribution to such a complex issue. The answer is more than the humility of a great man. It is more than a reflection of scientific honesty. It was the root of a great mans whole philosophy of being." The letter was signed Albert Einstein Millions of dollars were spent by the pharmaceutical companies gaining the necessary proof that the following drugs were safe for human use. There are over 250,000 drugs now being driven to mass consumer awareness as your next needed miracle in a bottle or potion but here a just a couple and what they caused. Eraldin: Caused heart disease, corneal damage, glaucoma and blindness Orabilex: Caused many deaths through extreme kidney damage Thalidomide - created over 10,000 hideously malformed childrenI Isoproterenol - killed 3500 men, women and children in the 1960s Phenformin - killed over 1000 people annually until withdrawn Atromids - (for cholesterol) caused untold number of deaths from cancer, liver, gallbladder and intestinal failure Pronap and plaxin - killed hundreds of babies Debendox - created birth defects (quoted from Science or Sham by Dr Roy Kupsinel) Why people rest their arguments on scientific proof?" To avoid the pain of thinking for themselves, which would lead to the pain of change - so they can say what others of their kind have been taught to say. It lends an air of "I am a real thinker, I am very well read and I can only be bothered with good information and of course all "good" information is "scientifically" verified information. "(ref Don Tolman FDR)

Medical and pharmaceutical science has absolutely failed in curing and preventing illness. In fact they have multiplied it a hundred times over. Every year more and more people get cancer than ever before, heart disease, diabetes, MS, Asthma, Chronic fatigue, infertility, arthritis, Autism, Allergies the list is endless. You choose to believe in an industry that profits trillions of dollars every year from you believing in what they sell even though they have no legal liability for what they are doing, even though you have no knowledge or understand of what you are swallowing or injecting. All pharmaceutical products are synthetic toxic chemicals (nothing natural can be patented which means there is no money for them hence the attack on natural remedies.) They use a dead language (Latin) to confuse you and make you think there is no possible way you could understand the complexities of health and modern medicine. Just to give you some insight here are what some of the terms and what they mean. Pharmaceutical is from the Latin "Pharma" which means toxic. Vaccine comes from the Latin Vaccini, which means berries (berries are shown to strengthen the immune system). The term Doctor traditionally means to teach and The term "Physician" means "one who is legally licensed by the state to dispense drugs." Pharmacology means the study of toxic active compounds. Toxicology means the study of harmful or poisonous effects of drugs. Every year in the USA 110,000 people die in hospitals from Iatrogenic.

This means death caused by the correct use of drugs. ("Correct" meaning as advised by the drug companies). There were a total of 55,000 deaths caused by the drug Vioxx before it was taken off the market. Modern Medicine gives no known reason for illness, thrives on your illness, can make no money out of you being healthy. Good health is simple and the reason for illness is simple. One of the universal laws of nature is Cause and Effect. Illness does not happen for no reason. It is a direct result of what you put in your body. Your body will heal itself given the foods by nature, and will build its own immunities when given the right foods. Nature has no ulterior motive and no interest other than to help mankind. 50 million people believing the same lie does not make it a truth, it is still a lie. Finally here is a quote from Dr J. Anthony Morris former Chief Vaccine Control Officer and research virologist with USA food and drug administration published in "Common Ground" January 2005 Edition. "There is no evidence any influenza vaccine is effective the producers of these vaccines know they are useless but go on selling them anyway. There is also a great deal of evidence to prove that any immunisation of children does more harm than good."