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Haic Kisna Pialhus'
Sincc ihcic has icccnily lccn a loi ol uiscussion aloui Iaima anu licc will I
ihoughi I woulu osi ihc lollowing scgmcnis which aic liom a much longci
hilosohy aci. Thcy aic ol aiiiculai inicicsi lccausc ihcy icllcci ihc
oinions ol Balaucva Viuyalhusana`s commcniaiy ol Vcuania-suiia - Govinua
Bhasya. I musi aologizc lccausc ihc looi noics sccmcu io havc uisacaicu in
ihc iiansiiion io ASCII. Howcvci ii uocs noi uciiaci much liom ihc conicnis.
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FATE, FREE WILL AND THE LAW CF KARMA
In ihc lollowing scciion wc will cxaminc whai ihc sasiias havc io say aloui
Iaima, anu in whai way il any, a ucvoicc is unuci ihc inllucncc ol his asi
Iaima.
In ihc ancicni Mcuiiciiancan woilu ihcic was a long sianuing hilosohical
laiilc lciwccn laialisis anu iooncnis ol licc will. Ii woulu lc
inaioiiaic io uiscuss ihcii vicwoinis, lui sullicc ii io say ihai such a
coniiovcisy clcaily inuicaics an imcilcci unucisianuing ol ihc law ol Iaima.
Thc vicwoini ol Vcuic Asiiology is ihai lilc is an inicilay ol loih laic
anu licc will. Oui laic lcing ihc icaciion io oui icvious cxcicisc ol licc
will. In oui livcs wc aic olicn laccu wiih choiccs icscnicu io us ly oui
cnviionmcni. Wc havc ihc liccuom io chosc lciwccn a anu l, lui oncc ihai
uccision has lccn mauc wc musi accci ihc icaciion io ihai uccision. Thc
icaciion may lc immcuiaic oi ii may lc uclaycu ly ihousanus ol lilciimcs. In
any casc, ihc icaciion, lcasani oi unlcasani, will comc ai ihc aoinicu
iimc ucicimincu ly Kisna, ihc Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol Gouhcau. As CanaIya
Panuii says, usi as a call can linu iis moihci in a hciu ol 1u,uuu cows, in
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ihc samc way youi aciions ]icaciions| will linu you. Thc icaciions io lilc`s
aciions aic incscaallc ly cvciyonc cxcci ihosc who aic ucvoicu io Gou in
lhaIii-yoga. Whcn a Iaimic icaciion iicns anu liuciilics ii cicaics a ncw
siiuaiion, an cnviionmcni ihai icscnis you wiih moic choiccs on which io
cxcicisc youi licc will. This ol couisc liings us lull ciiclc. Thus lilc is an
inicilay ol loih laic anu licc will as icviously siaicu.
EXAMPLE
Ici mc givc an cxamlc ol how ihis woiIs. Suosc somconc is loin inio a ooi
lamily lccausc ol his lau Iaima liom a icvious lilciimc. This cison is
iaiscu in a ghciio lcsoi wiih ciimc anu ovciiy. Ici us say, hyoihciically,
ihai hc has iwo choiccs. Hc can llamc sociciy loi ihc cvils hc laccs anu ihus
iiy io viciimizc sociciy ly iaIing io a lilc ol ciimc io acquiic wcalih. Oi hc
can iaIc icsonsililiiy loi his siiuaiion as hc linus ii anu iiy io lciici
himscll ly cuucaiion anu honcsi cnucavoi, which is haiu woiI anu unglamoious.
Suosc hc chooscs ihc liisi oiion ol ciimc anu iols scvcial insiiiuiions.
Evcniually hc will gci caughi il noi Iillcu liisi) anu scni io ail, which
will lc a icaciion loi his ciiminal lchavioi. Bui cvcn whilc in ail hc siill
has oiions, ihough moic limiicu ihan ihosc ol a licc man. Hc can choosc io lc
a haiucncu ciiminal oi io lc a moucl iisonci anu go siiaighi. Each choicc
will havc a icaciion. Thus wc can scc ihai lilc is an iniiicaic inicilay ol
laic Iaima) anu licc will.
DEFINITICN CF KARMA
Thc woiu Iaima is uciivcu ciymologically in SansIiii liom ihc iooi woiu Iii,
io cicaic, io maIc. Thus Iaima iclaics loih io aciion anu ihc liuiis oi
icsulis ol oui aciions. Thc Bhagavau-giia S.3, givcs a concisc ucliniiion ol
Iaima: Thc Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol Gouhcau saiu: Thc inucsiiuciillc,
iiansccnucnial living cniiiy is callcu Biahman, anu his cicinal naiuic is
callcu auhyaima, ihc scll. Aciion ciiaining io ihc maiciial louics ol ihc
living cniiiics is callcu Iaima, oi liuiiivc aciiviiics.
Wc aic all lamiliai wiih ihc classilicaiion ol goou Iaima, lau Iaima
]viIaima|, anu naisIaima oi aIaima ]non-aciion, ucvoiional scivicc|. Bui liom
ihc Vcuic liiciaiuic many uciails aic sulicu ihai mosi ol us aic ignoiani
ol. Thc lollowing inloimaiion on Iaima is aiahiascu liom ihc Govinua Bhasya
ol Balaucva Viuyalhusana.
CATEGCRIES CF KARMA
Kaima is uiviucu u inio iwo caicgoiics, sanciia Iaima sioicu u), anu
Iiiyamana Iaima ncwly cicaicu), sanciia Iaima is luiihci suluiviucu inio
anoihci iwo caicgoiics namcly anaialuha Iaima cllccis which havc noi yci
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lcgun) anu iaialuha Iaima lunciional Iaima which is alicauy aciing). Ii is
qucsiioncu whcihci oi noi ihcsc iwo Iaimas sanciia 8 Iiiyamana) aic ucsiioycu
anu mauc non-auhciing icscciivcly, ihiough ihc macsiy ol ihc uivinc wisuom.
Thc uivaaIsin anii-ihcsis) olccis ihai nciihci ihc Iiiyamana Iaima can lc
looscncu, noi ihc sanciia Iaima luincu u ly viuya lccausc ii is wcll Inown
ihai: Thc Iaima is ncvci cxhausicu oi wcaIcncu in iis loicc cvcn alici a
lasc ol hunuicus ol millions ol cons. Ii is cxhausicu only whcn iis
conscqucnccs aic sullcicu. Vciily onc musi sullci ihc conscqucnccs ol his
acis, whcihci ihcy lc goou oi lau. ]no souicc givcn|
Thc Vcuania-suiia 4.1.13 icluics ihis vicw: On oliaining ihai ]viuya| ihcic
iaIc lacc ihc non-clinging ol woiIs uonc in ihc icscni lilc, anu ihc
ucsiiuciion ol woiIs sioicu u which wcic uonc in ihc asi lilc. Bccausc ihis
is so ucclaicu ]in ihc Uanisaus|.
Whcn a niiacIsa ucvoicc ioially uciachcu mahalhagavaia) gcis liahma viuya
Gou icalizaiion) ihcn his Iiiyamana Iaimas cannoi cling io him loi ihc
Chanuogya Uanisau 4.14.3 says: As waici uocsn`i cling io a loius lcal, so no
sinlul aci clings io onc who Inows Him ihus'
Anu Chanuogya U. .24.3 says: As ihc iuli ol ihc isiIa iccu cniciing inio
ihc liic is quicIly icuuccu io ashcs, ihus inuccu aic luini all his sins, who
Inowing ihc Ioiu, ihus ollcis an Agnihoiia.
Thc uouli ihcn aiiscs as io whcihci ii is only ihc sinlul icaciions ihai aic
ucsiioycu lui noi ihc ious icaciions, lccausc ihc ious acis aic uonc in
accoiuancc wiih sciiiuic. Thus ii is noi coiicci ihai as soon as viuya
oiiginaics a man gcis muIii. Ioi, il hc has un-cxhausicu goou woiIs, hc musi
go io Svaiga, cic.
Thc siuuhania scis asiuc ihis vicw in ihc ncxi suiia, VS 4.1.14: Thc samc is
ihc casc wiih ihc oihci ]namcly, ihc goou uccus|, ihc sioicu-u goou uccus aic
ucsiioycu anu ihc goou uonc in ihc icscni lilc uo noi cling io ihc man. Hc
vciily gcis muIii on ihc lalling oll ol his iaialuha Iaimas.
Balaucva commcnis ihai viuya ucsiioys icaciions io goou woiIs also. No uouli,
goou uccus aic uonc in conloimiiy wiih ihc laws ol ihc Vcuas, lui ii cannoi lc
saiu ihai, ihcicloic, ihcy aic noi in conllici wiih viuya. Thcy aic ooscu io
viuya, in ihis much ihai ihcii icsuli is io iouucc hcavcnly oy anu svaigic
lliss, whilc ihc liuii ol viuya is iclcasc, anu as svaiga anu muIii cani
co-cxisi iogcihci, ihcicloic unya, ihough Vaiuic, is ooscu io viuya. Hc
luiihci gocs on io say ihai liom a Vcuaniic oini ol vicw cvcn unya is aa.
Anu ihai in ihc Chanuogya Uanisau S.4.1 ihc woiu aa is alicu io loih
uusIiiam anu suIiiam: This scll is a liiugc iclugc) anu a suoii, so ihai
ihcsc woilus may lc Ici in ihcii ioci lacc anu) may noi clash wiih cach
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oihci. Nighi anu uay uo noi ass ihai liiugc, noi uo olu agc, noi ucaih, noi
giicl, noi ihc goou uccus, noi ihc cvil uccus ol mcn). All cvils iuin lacI
liom Him, lccausc Hc is licc liom all cvils. Hc is Biahman, ihc Gicai Rclugc.
Also Bihau-aianyaIa U. 4.4.22 says: Him who Inows), ihcsc iwo uo noi
ovcicomc, whcihci hc says ihai loi somc icason hc has uonc cvil, oi loi somc
icason hc has uonc goou, hc ovcicomcs loih, anu nciihci whai hc has uonc, noi
whai hc has omiiicu io uo, luins allccis) him.
Conscqucnily in ihc Giia ii is siaicu ihai all aciion, whcihci goou oi lau,
aic ucsiioycu whcn Inowlcugc is oliaincu. As a llazing liic iuins woou inio
ashcs, o Aiuna, so uocs ihc liic ol Inowlcugc luin io ashcs all icaciions io
maiciial aciiviiics. BG 4.37)
Thc woiu saivaIaimani is gcnciic anu iclcis io goou uccus also. Thus ii is
csiallishcu ihai loih Iinus ol unya as wcll as loih Iinus ol aa aic
icscciivcly ucsiioycu anu mauc unclinging ly viuya. Anu wiih ihc ucsiiuciion
ol ihc iaialuha Iaimas ihc man gcis muIii. Thcicloic ii is noi a mcaninglcss
siaicmcni io say ihai on ihc oiiginaiion ol viuya a man gcis muIii.
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KARMA DESTRCED 8 VIDA
Now wc comc u io a vciy imoiiani oini in ihc uiscussion ol Iaima anu iis
ucsiiuciion ly ihc aciion ol viuya, ihc uivinc wisuom. Sincc viuya ucsiioys
loih soiis ol sanciia Iaimas, namcly goou anu lau, ihcn ii musi icasonally
lollow ihai ihc louy ol ihc man shoulu lall liom him, lccausc ihc louy is ihc
cllcci ol such Iaimas, anu whcn ihc Iaimas aic ucsiioycu, ihc louy naiuially
lalls oll. Il ihis lc so, ihcn anyonc who gcis uivinc Inowlcugc, musi
immcuiaicly ass oui ol ihis woilu, anu so ihc icaching ol ihc uivinc
Inowlcugc ly ihc Inowcis ol Biahman lccomcs an imossililiiy.
As wc mcniioncu lcloic ihc sanciia Iaima has iwo sulcaicgoiics: iaialuha anu
anaialuha, onc which has commcnccu iis liuiiion in ihis woilu, anu ihc oihci
which has noi. Thc uouli is ihcn iaiscu as io whcihci loih ol ihcsc Iinus ol
sanciia Iaima aic ucsiioycu ly viuya, oi only ihc anaialuha Iaimas.
Thc uivaaIsin mainiains ihai in ihc Bihau-aianyaIa U. 4.4.22 alicauy quoicu
alovc ii is saiu ihai loih ihcsc aic ucsiioycu. No cxcciion is mcniioncu in
icgaius io ihc iaialuha Iaima, anu lccausc ihc aciion ol viuya is uniloim,
ihcicloic loih soiis ol sanciia, maiuic as wcll as immaiuic, aic ucsiioycu ly
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viuya. Thc siuuhania is csiallishcu in ihc ncxi suiia ol VS which scis ihc
ciioncous vicw ol ihc uivaaIsin asiuc.
VS 4.1.1: Bui only ihc immaiuic Iaimas ol ihc loimci livcs, namcly, ihosc
Iaimas whosc cllcci has noi yci lcgun, aic ucsiioycu ly Inowlcugc, lccausc
ihai is ihc limii ol ihc lilc ol ihc nanin, namcly) ihc limii ol ihc lilc ol
ihc wisc is ihc ciiou ovci which his loimci Iaimas which havc lcgun io
iouucc ihcii cllccis cxicnu.
Ii is saiu in ihc siuii ihai a man livcs on cvcn alici acquiiing viuya, il his
iaialuha Iaimas aic noi cxhausicu. Thc Chanuogya Uanisau 6.14.2 says: Ioi
him ihcic is a uclay only loi as long as hc is noi uclivcicu liom his louy.
Also in SB 1u.S7.4u ii is saiu: Whcn a cison icalizcs You, hc no longci
caics aloui his goou anu lau loiiunc aiising liom asi ious anu sinlul acis,
sincc ii is You alonc who coniiol ihis goou anu lau loiiunc...
PRARA8DHA KARMA CCNTINUES
This shows ihai ii is ihc will ol ihc Ioiu, ihai ihc man who has oliaincu ihc
uivinc wisuom, shoulu go on living in ihis louy, so long as his iaialuha
Iaimas aic noi cxhausicu. Viuya is suicmcly owcilul anu can ucsiioy all
Iaimas lui oui ol uclcicncc io ihc will ol Sii Kisna shc uocsni ucsiioy ihc
iaialuha Iaima loi wc scc ihai uivincly illumincu sagcs, lull masicis ol
uivinc wisuom, aic living on ihis caiih anu ihcii louics uo noi lall uown as
soon as ihcy gci viuya. Wc luiihci scc ihai ihcy icach oihcis anu aic noi
inaciivc, conscqucnily, wc musi aumii ihai ii is ihc will ol ihc Ioiu ihai
such mcn shoulu coniinuc io livc, in oiuci io sicau Inowlcugc ol liahma viuya
among manIinu.
Ii shoulu lc noicu ihai ii may iaIc moic ihan onc lilc io cxhausi ihc
iaialuha Iaima, cvcn in ihc casc ol a niiacIsa ucvoicc. This is ucali wiih
in VS 3.4.2: Similai is ihc casc wiih ihc muIii. Thcic is no invaiiallc iulc
ol ihc iimc ol iis liuiiion, lccausc ii uccnus uon wcll ascciiaincu
conuiiions, lccausc ii uccnus uon wcll ascciiaincu conuiiions.
MoIsa which is ihc chaiaciciisiic liuii ol viuya may lc uclaycu iill ihc ncxi
lilc il iaialuha Iaimas icmain ihai musi lc woiIcu oui. Il ihcic aic no
iaialuha Iaimas io lc woiIcu oui, ihcn muIii iaIcs lacc in ihai vciy lilc.
Bui il ihcic aic iaialuha Iaimas which aic noi cxhausicu in onc lilc, ihcn
ihc man musi iaIc anoihci liiih io gci muIii, loi muIii can ncvci lc aiiial.
Why uo wc say so. Bccausc ihc conuiiion ol muIii is a ucliniic conuiiion,
lully ascciiaincu in ihc sasiias. Thus in ihc Chanuogya U 6.14.2, ii is laiu
uown ihai a man who linus a guiu oliains ihc Inowlcugc, lui ihcic is uclay in
his gciiing muIii so long as his iaialuha Iaimas aic noi cxhausicu: In ihc
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samc way uocs a man who linus ihc guiu, oliains ihc Inowlcugc. Ioi him ihcic
is uclay only so long as his iaialuha Iaimas aic noi cxhausicu. Thcn hc
icachcs ihc cilcci.
MUKTI AND THE |IVAN MUKTA
This Chanuogya icxi shows a wcll ucicimincu iulc ol muIii ihai ihc man who has
viuya, oliains muIii, noi immcuiaicly, lui on ihc cxhausiion ol his iaialuha
Iaimas. Thcic is a similai iulc laiu uown in ihc smiii sasiia call Naiayana
Auhyaima: Thc man who has acquiicu viuya gcis immoiialiiy. Thcic is no uouli
in ii. Hc gocs io muIii ai oncc whcn his iaialuha Iaimas aic cxhausicu, lui
il his Iaimas aic noi cxhausicu, ihcn hc has io iaIc many liiihs, anu on ihc
cxhausiion ol such Iaima hc gocs io ihc woilu ol Haii.
No uouli ii is a iulc ihai viuya cxhausis all Iaimas, yci ihc loicc ol
iaialuha Iaima is noi cxhausicu anu icmains aciivc lccausc ihc Ioiu has so
willcu ii. Whai, howcvci, is ihc siaic ol consciousncss ol a mahalhagavaia,
anu how is his cxciicncc ol iaialuha Iaima uillcicni liom minc. In
Bhagavau-giia 6.2u-23 Kisna givcs ihc lollowing ucsciiiion ol siiiiual
alsoiiion:
In ihc siagc ol cilcciion callcu iiancc, oi samauhi, oncs minu is
comlcicly icsiiaincu liom ihc maiciial aciiviiics ly iaciicc ol yoga. This
cilcciion is chaiaciciizcu ly oncs aliliiy io scc ihc scll ly ihc uic minu
anu io iclish anu icoicc in ihc scll. In ihai oyous siaic, onc is siiuaicu
in lounulcss iiansccnucnial haincss, icalizcu ihiough iiansccnucnial scnscs.
Esiallishcu ihus, onc ncvci ucaiis liom ihc iiuih, anu uon gaining ihis hc
ihinIs ihcic is no gicaici gain. Bcing siiuaicu in such a osiiion, onc is
ncvci shaIcn, cvcn in ihc miusi ol gicaicsi uilliculiy. This inuccu is aciual
liccuom liom all misciics aiising liom maiciial coniaci.
Hcic wc scc ihc conuiiion ol a ivanmuIia, onc who is lilciaicu whilc siill
cmlouicu. Though hc is cncascu in ihc gioss anu sulilc louy which is ihc
iouuci anu cnoyci ol iaialuha Iaima siill hc uocsni sullci lccausc hc is
cxciicncing siiiiual ccsiasy. Hc is licc. Ii is ihc gioss anu sulilc louy
ihai sullcis anu cnoys ihc Iaimas. So uliimaicly hc is noi sulccicu io
Iaima, lui is licc.
Thcic aic many cxamlcs liom sasiia ol gicai ucvoiccs who wcic lcyonu ihc louy
anu livcu on anoihci uimcnsion. Ioiu Caiianya woulu lall inio a uivinc swoon
anu lc iiansoiicu io Viaa io wiincss ihc soiiing aciiviiics ol ihc gois
wiih Kisna. Mcanwhilc, in ihc cxicinal woilu His associaics woulu lc iiying
ihcii lcsi io liing Him lacI, whcn ihcy succccucu Hc was olicn uislcascu. In
ihc lilc ol Syamananua wc havc anoihci viviu cxamlc. Whcn Syamananua was
lcing cxamincu ly his guiu, Hiuaya-Caiianya, aloui ihc changc ol his namc liom
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DuhIhi Kisna io Syamananua, anu his ncw iilaI, Syamananua wcni inio mcuiiaiion
anu in his siuuhasvaiua aioachcu Rauhaiani io icsolvc his iollcm. Anoihci
cxamlc is ihai ol Haiiuasa ThaIuia whosc louy was lcaicn, yci lccausc hc was
noi on ihc louily lailoim, hc icmaincu unallccicu.
Oui Siila Pialhuaua was also on such a lailoim. Haii Sauii Pialhu inloims mc
ihai oncc whilc hc was sciving Siila Pialhuaua hc noiiccu ihai Siila
Pialhuauas aw was swollcn lccausc ol a iooihachc, yci Pialhuaua uiun`i
comlain. A lcw uays laici Haii Sauii noiiccu ihai ihc swclling was icuuccu
anu inquiicu liom Pialhuaua il his iooihachc was gonc. Pialhuaua iclicu
ihai in ihc nighi a iooih hau lallcn oui. On scaiching Pialhuauas lcu hc
lounu ihc iooih anu was amazcu io scc ihai ii hau a hugc holc in ii. Anyonc
clsc wiih such a ioiicu iooih woulu havc lccn in cxiicmc agony, yci Pialhuaua
was hascu.
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Whai is ihc mcchanism ihai allows a mahalhagavaia io lc cncascu in a louy yci
lc unawaic ol ii. This is cxlaincu in ihc Siimau Bhagavaiam 3.2S.34-39:
By lollowing ihis couisc, ihc yogi giauually ucvclos uic lovc loi ihc
Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol Gouhcau, Haii. In ihc couisc ol his iogicss in
ucvoiional scivicc, ihc haiis ol his louy sianu cicci ihiough cxccssivc oy,
anu hc is consianily laihcu in a siicam ol icais occasioncu ly inicnsc lovc.
Giauually, cvcn ihc minu, which hc uscu as a mcans io aiiiaci ihc Ioiu, as onc
aiiiacis a lish io a hooI, wiihuiaws liom maiciial aciiviiy.
Whcn ihc minu is ihus comlcicly liccu liom all maiciial coniaminaiion anu
uciachcu liom maiciial olcciivcs, ii is usi liIc ihc llamc ol a lam. Ai
ihai iimc ihc minu is aciually uovciailcu wiih ihai ol ihc Suicmc Ioiu anu is
cxciicnccu as onc wiih Him lccausc ii is liccu liom ihc iniciaciivc llow ol
ihc maiciial qualiiics.
Thus siiuaicu in ihc highcsi iiansccnucnial siagc, ihc minu ccascs liom all
maiciial icaciion anu lccomcs siiuaicu in iis own gloiy, iiansccnucnial io all
maiciial concciions ol haincss anu uisiicss. Ai ihai iimc ihc yogi icalizcs
ihc iiuih ol his iclaiionshi wiih ihc Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol Gouhcau. Hc
uiscovcis ihai lcasuic anu ain as wcll as ihcii iniciaciions, which hc
aiiiiluicu io his own scll, aic aciually uuc io ihc lalsc cgo, which is a
iouuci ol ignoiancc.
Bccausc hc has achicvcu his ical iucniiiy, ihc cilccily icalizcu soul has no
concciion ol how ihc maiciial louy is moving oi aciing, usi as an
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inioxicaicu cison cannoi unucisianu whcihci oi noi hc has cloihing on his
louy. Thc louy ol such a lilciaicu yogi, along wiih ihc scnscs, is iaIcn
chaigc ol ly ihc Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol Gouhcau, anu ii lunciions uniil iis
ucsiincu aciiviiics aic linishcu. Thc lilciaicu ucvoicc, lcing awaIc io his
consiiiuiional osiiion anu ihus siiuaicu in samauhi, ihc highcsi cilcciional
siagc ol yoga, uocs noi accci ihc ly-iouucis ol ihc maiciial louy as his
own. Thus hc consiucis his louily aciiviiics io lc liIc ihc aciiviiics ol a
louy in a uicam.
Puioii io 3.2S.3S:
Thc lollowing qucsiions may lc oscu. As long as a ihc lilciaicu soul is in
coniaci wiih ihc louy, why uon`i ihc louily aciiviiics allcci him. Docsn`i hc
aciually lccomc coniaminaicu ly ihc aciion anu icaciion ol maiciial
aciiviiics. In answci io such qucsiions, ihis vcisc cxlains ihai ihc maiciial
louy ol a lilciaicu soul is iaIcn chaigc ol ly ihc Suicmc Pcisonaliiy ol
Gouhcau. Ii is noi aciing uuc io ihc living loicc ol ihc living cniiiy, ii is
simly aciing as a icaciion io asi aciiviiics. Evcn alici lcing swiichcu oll,
an clcciiic lan movcs loi somc iimc. Thai movcmcni is noi uuc io ihc clcciiic
cuiicni, lui is a coniinuaiion ol ihc lasi movcmcni, similaily, alihough a
lilciaicu soul acais io lc aciing usi liIc an oiuinaiy man, his aciions aic
io lc acccicu as ihc coniinuaiion ol asi aciiviiics. In a uicam onc may scc
himscll cxanucu ihiough many louics, lui whcn awaIc hc can unucisianu ihai
ihosc louics wcic all lalsc. Similaily, alihough a lilciaicu soul has ihc
ly-iouucis ol ihc louy - wilc, chiluicn, housc, cic. - hc uocs noi iucniily
himscll wiih ihosc louily cxansions. Hc Inows ihai ihcy aic all iouucis ol
ihc maiciial uicam. Thc gioss louy is mauc u ol ihc gioss clcmcnis ol maiici,
anu ihc sulilc louy is mauc ol minu, iniclligcncc, cgo anu coniaminaicu
consciousncss. Il onc can accci ihc sulilc louy ol a uicam as lalsc anu noi
iucniily oncscll wiih ihai louy, ihcn cciiainly an awaIc cison nccu noi
iucniily wiih ihc gioss louy. As onc who is awaIc has no conncciion wiih ihc
aciiviiics ol ihc louy in a uicam, an awaIcncu, lilciaicu soul has no
conncciion wiih ihc aciiviiics ol ihc icscni louy. In oihci woius, lccausc hc
is acquainicu wiih his consiiiuiional osiiion, hc ncvci acccis ihc louily
concci ol lilc.
Tcxi 39 Bccausc ol gicai allcciion loi lamily anu wcalih, onc acccis a son
anu somc moncy as his own, anu uuc io allcciion loi ihc maiciial louy, onc
ihinIs ihai ii is his. Bui aciually, as onc can unucisianu ihai his lamily anu
wcalih aic uillcicni liom him, ihc lilciaicu soul can unucisianu ihai hc anu
his louy aic noi ihc samc.
Thcic aic iwo similai vciscs in ihc 11ih canio.
usi as a uiunIcn man uocs noi noiicc il hc is wcaiing his coai oi shiii,
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similaily, onc who is cilcci in scll-icalizaiion anu who has ihus achicvcu
his cicinal iucniiiy uocs noi noiicc whcihci ihc icmoiaiy louy is siiiing oi
sianuing. Inuccu, il ly Gous will ihc louy is linishcu oi il ly Gous will hc
oliains a ncw louy, a scll-icalizcu soul uocs noi noiicc, usi as a uiunIcn
man uocs noi noiicc ihc siiuaiion ol his ouiwaiu uicss. Thc maiciial louy
cciiainly movcs unuci ihc coniiol ol suicmc ucsiiny anu ihcicloic musi
coniinuc io livc along wiih ihc scnscs anu viial aii as long as oncs Iaima is
in cllcci. A scll-icalizcu soul, howcvci, who is awaIcncu io ihc alsoluic
icaliiy anu who is ihus highly siiuaicu in ihc cilcci siagc ol yoga, will
ncvci again suiicnuci io ihc maiciial louy anu iis manilolu manilcsiaiions,
Inowing ii io lc usi liIc a louy visualizcu in a uicam. SB 11.13.36-37)
PERFECT SCUL UNAWARE CF HIS 8CD
Hcic wc scc ihai ihc cilcci Gou-inioxicaicu yogi is unawaic ol whcihci oi noi
hc is wcaiing a louy' usi liIc a liquoi-inioxicaicu man is unawaic ol whcihci
oi noi hc is wcaiing cloihing. In such a cilccily uciachcu moou Kisna iaIcs
chaigc ol ihc louys lunciions uniil iis ucsiincu aciiviiics aic linishcu
anu as long as oncs Iaima is in cllcci. Thcsc siaicmcnis ol couisc luiihci
cxlain anu vciily whai ihc Vcuania-suiia says aloui iaialuha Iaima.
In his commcni on VS 3.4.16, Balaucva Viuyalhusana givcs us moic insighi inio
ihc osiiion ol a sagc who has acquiicu viuya lui noi muIii. Hc says ihai
viuya has ihc owci io luin io ashcs all Iaimas, yci ihc illumincu sagc, who
is haimonizcu wiih ihc will ol ihc Suicmc Ioiu, allows ihc iaialuha Iaimas
io coniinuc io iouucc ihcii cllccis, in oiuci io caiiy oui ihc will ol ihc
Ioiu, anu io sicau His gloiy in ihis woilu. Thc sagc allows ihc viuya io
singc ihc iaialuha Iaimas, lui noi io icuucc ihcm io ashcs. Thc iaialuha
Iaimas ol such a sagc aic liIc a hall-luini cloih, which iciains iis icxiuic,
anu looIs liIc a cloih, lui which ai ihc slighicsi iouch, lalls inio icccs.
Thc wisc sagc is uicsscu in such a iaialuha Iaima, anu caiiics on ihc
aciiviiics gcnciaicu ly such Iaima.
Balaucva luiihci oincs aloui a niiacIsa ihus. Bui ihc gicai uillcicncc in
his lilc lcloic ihc oiiginaiion ol viuya anu in his lilc alici ihc oiiginaiion
ol such viuya consisis ol ihis, ihai lcloic such oiiginaiion, hc lccls ihc
goou anu lau cllcci ol his Iaimas, lui alici ihc oiiginaiion ol such viuya his
ccnici ol consciousncss lcing lixcu on ihc Ioiu, hc is so much alsoilcu in ihc
Ioiu, ihai hc ncvci ciccivcs ihc cllccis ol ihcsc Iaimas.
Ioi ihc saIc ol comlciion I wani io mcniion in liicl onc moic ihing aloui
iaialuha Iaima as ii is uiscusscu in ihc wonucilul Vcuania-suiia commcniaiy,
Govinua Bhasya. Thc ioic is vicaiious aioncmcni. Aaicnily in uillcicni
shaIhas icccnsions) ol ihc Vcuas, namcly ihc KausiiaIins anu Saiyayanins,
ihcic ii is mcniioncu ihai in ihc casc ol cxiicmcly aiucni lovcis ol Sii
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Kisna, vicaiious aioncmcni iaIcs lacc. This mcans ihai ihc iaialuha Iaimas
ol ihcsc niiacIsas aic uiviucu inio aa, anu unya, anu ihai ihc aa-Iaima,
cvil Iaima, is givcn io his cncmics io sullci, anu ihc unya-Iaima, goou
Iaima, is givcn io his liicnus io cnoy. Thus ihc iaialuha Iaima is siill
woiIcu oui, lui vicaiiously, anu ihc louy ol ihc niiacIsa lalls uown anu hc
gocs lacI io Gouhcau.
Whai, howcvci, is ihc siiuaiion ol lcss auvanccu ucvoiccs. Somciimcs wc hcai
ihai Sii Kisna minimizcs oui Iaima, insicau ol having oui hanu cui oll wc
suosculy gci a small cui as ioIcn unishmcni. This aciually is usi ihc
humllc aiiiiuuc ol ihc ucvoicc, hc Inows ihai hc has lccn gicaily sinlul anu
ucscivcs cqually gicai chasiiscmcni. Yci, lccausc ihc ucvoicc sccs all ihc
aciions ol Kisna as lcing mcicy hc ihinIs ihai hc is noi lcing chasiiscu as
much as hc ucscivcs. This is cxcmlilicu in ihc hisioiy ol ihc Avanii Biahmana
SB 11.23) who simly iolciaicu his iaialuha Iaima as ihc mcicy ol Sii Kisna.
Ioiu Biahma has summaiizcu ihc siiuaiion in ihc lamous vcisc SB 1u.14.S:
n eruInn u-nIInnro
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I.en ,o uII-nJe n Jn,n-!LnI
My ucai Ioiu, onc who caincsily waiis loi You io lcsiow Youi causclcss mcicy
uon him, all ihc whilc aiicnily sullciing ihc icaciions ol his asi misuccus
anu ollciing You icsccilul olcisanccs wiih his hcaii, woius anu louy, is
suicly cligillc loi lilciaiion, loi ii has lccomc his iighilul claim.
Ii shoulu lc olvious liom ihc icvious uiscussions ihai ihc moic wc aic allc
io alsoil ouisclvcs in ihc ioccss ol ucvoiional scivicc, sccilically
chaniing ihc maha-maniia, ihc moic wc aic allc io cxisi on ihc siiiiual
lailoim anu lccomc unconccincu wiih ihc cllccis ol oui iaialuha Iaima. Thai
is why ii is somciimcs siaicu in cciiain sciiiuics liIc Sii Haiinama-ciniamani oi ihc
Nisimha-Iavaca ihai namalhasa avciis malclic lanciaiy inllucnccs, ucmons, cic.
CCNCLUSICN
In conclusion ihc sasiias all ucclaic ihai cvcn ihc mosi cilcci mahalhagavaia
ucvoicc musi cxciicncc his Iaima uniil ihc louy lalls oll, whai io scaI ol
lcss auvanccu ucvoiccs. Bui, in ihc casc ol mahalhagavaias, lccausc ihcy aic
noi on ihc louily lailoim, uliimaicly ihcy aic noi allccicu. Oihcis aic moic
oi lcss allccicu accoiuing io ihcii ucgicc ol icalizaiion. Thai is why ii is
saiu in ihc clcvcnih canio ihai in ihis maiciial woilu ihc only hay cisons
aic ihc cilccicu sauhus anu ihc lools, cvciyonc clsc is misciallc.
C8|ECTICNS
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An olcciion may lc iaiscu ihai Siila Pialhuaua suosculy siaicu ihai simly
ly claing in lioni ol ihc uciiics ihc lincs in youi hanus changc, imlying
ihai a ucvoicc is immunc io such ihings as asiiology, almisiiy, cic. Thc
qucsiion musi ihcn lc answcicu ly such olccioi: Diu cisonaliiics liIc
ayaiiiiha Dasa, Bhagavan Dasa, Ramcsvaia Dasa, Bhavananua Dasa, cic., cic.,
noi cla haiu cnough. Alici siuuying ihc conclusions ol ihc sasiias wc scc
ihai inuccu ihc lincs changc ly claing in lioni ol ihc uciiics. This changc
in ihc lincs inuicaics a uillcicni luiuic loi ihc ucvoicc lccausc ly
woishiing ihc Ioiu, all Iaimas, savc anu cxcci iaialuha Iaima, as noicu
alovc, gci ciauicaicu.
Thcic is anoihci similai olcciion iaiscu: Dcvoiccs aic immunc liom
asiiology, lccausc asiiology only ucals wiih Iaima, anu sincc ucvoiccs aic
immunc io Iaima, ihcy ihcicloic aic immunc io asiiology. This olcciion
coniains ihicc lallacics: Thc liisi is ihc assumiion ihai asiiology is a
causal agcni liom which you can lc gianicu immuniiy, ihai was uisiovcu in ihc
scciion on Whai is Asiiology. Thc scconu, ihai asiiology only ucals wiih
Iaima, ihis was also uisoscu ol in ihc samc scciion loi wc scc ihai as a
languagc ii can ucsciilc any hcnomcna incluuing ihc uivinc Gouhcau. Thiiuly,
ihai ucvoiccs aic immunc io Iaima, ihis has lccn ucali wiih in gicai uciail
alovc.
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Shyamasunuaia has vciy niccly cxlaincu how onc who has aiiaincu io liahma
viuya is no longci allccicu ly Iaima cxcci so lai as iis ihc Ioius will loi
icaching uioscs. I assumc ihai ihis liahma viuya is cqual io liahma-lhuia
oi nisiha, in oihci woius, laciual icalizaiion ol ihc siiiiual osiiion ol
ihc scll.
Whai, howcvci, is ihc osiiion ol somconc who has noi yci achicvcu ihc
liahma-lhuia osiiion. Il onc is a Ianisiha auhiIaii, oi in ihc lcginning
siagcs ol mauhyama, ihai is, noi yci licc liom all anaiihas, ihcn io whai
cxicni uocs icvious anu icscni Iaima inllucncc him. Docs ii uccnu on ihc
siicngih anu/oi uiiiy ol his sauhana.
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Haic Kisna'
In ihc hilosohy aci uiscussing laic, cic., I mauc a iclcicncc io Haii
Sauii linuing Siila Pialhuauas iooih. I was wiong anu Haii Sauii has Iinuly
coiiccicu mc. Hcic is ihc ical sioiy.
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A slighi coiicciion - I uiuni linu ihc iooih in Pialhuauas lcu. Ii was in
Bomlay in Augusi 1976. I camc inio his ioom onc moining anu hc smilcu anu I
immcuiaicly saw ihai a iooih was missing. I was suiiiscu anu asIcu him whcic
ii was. Hc uiuni say anyihing lui ocncu ihc uiawci ol his ucsI anu ihc iooih
was lying ihcic. Eiihci hc hau cxiiacicu ii himscll, oi ii simly lcll oui.
Ai any iaic, ii was ioo goou an ooiiuniiy io miss. I icasoncu I hau aloui
iwo scconus io ciihci asI loi ii wc hau a sianuing iulc ihai scivanis wcic
ncvci io asI Siila Pialhuaua loi anyihing) oi Icc quici anu waich Pialhuaua
closc ihc uiawci anu ncvci scc ii again. I asIcu il I coulu havc ii lccausc I
icasoncu ii woulu simly lic in ihc uiawci loigoiicn il I uiuni, anu I also
ihoughi my cisonal scivicc woulu incviially linish lui ly having ihc iooih I
woulu lc allc io coniinuc my woishi ol Siila Pialhuaua in ihc samc way ihai
Mahaiaa Piaiaaiuuia woishicu ihc iccc ol cloih ihai Ioiu Caiianya woic.
So I asIcu him anu hc immcuiaicly hanucu ii io mc. Whcn I goi lacI in my ioom
I was amazcu io scc a hugc holc, aloui hall ihc sizc ol ihc iooih, in ihc siuc
ol ii, lillcu wiih liis ol iasauam anu siccs. I couluni imaginc how anyonc
coulu havc iolciaicu such a conuiiion cxcci Siila Pialhuaua. I siill woishi
ihc iooih on my aliai along wiih my uciiy ol Siila Pialhuaua.
In Volumc Two ol my Diaiy oui ihis wccI) you will linu in ihc Toionio chaici
how Siila Pialhuaua Ici on icaching cvcn ihough his lacc was visilly
swollcn liom iooihachc. Whcn wc asIcu il ihcic was anyihing wc coulu uo, hc
simly asIcu loi somc clovcs io sucI. Hc ucclincu io scc a ucniisi sincc his
iccih wcic all lau anu ihus ihcy woulu wani io icmovc ihcm all. Hc simly
iolciaicu ihc ain wiihoui comlaini anu coniinucu on wiih his icgulai
schcuulc.
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As Haii Sauii mcniions his looI, volumc iwo ol T.nrerJernI DIn., is oui
ncxi wccI. Il I wcic you I woulu gci minc as soon as ossillc lccausc ihcy
will scll oui lasi. Volumc onc solu oui in iccoiu iimc. I havc sccn a icvicw
coy ol Volumc iwo anu ii is cvcn lciici il ihai is ossillc, Pialhuauas
asiimcs musi lc monoionically incicasing) ihan vol 1. So gci somc cash anu
oiuci onc liom Haii Sauii iouay.
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Biahma viuya is ihc nomcnclaiuic uscu ly Balaucva Viuyalhusana. Ii liicially
mcans siiiiual Inowlcugc, unucisianuing oncs iiuc siiiiual naiuic io iis
lullcsi cxicni.
Ai iniiiaiion all anaialuha Iaima is icmovcu lccausc ihc guiu acccis ii anu
ii is iianslciicu u io Kisna ihus gciiing ucsiioycu. Kiiyamana Iaima may
cling howcvci anu cicaic ncw sanciia Iaima uccnuing on ihc siicngih ol ihc
sauhana anu ucsiic ol ihc sauhaIa.
As loi ihc cxciicncc ol icscni iaialuha Iaima ihai will uccnu on how much
onc can iaIc shclici ol Kisna anu mcigc oui minu inio KC. As an cxamlc ol how
ihis is uonc I woulu siiongly auvisc you io icau SB 11.23, ihc Song ol ihc
Avanii Biahmana. This clcaily shows how ihc liahmana was allc io ovcicomc ihc
lasi vcsiigcs iaialuha) ol his Iaima, anu noi gci ic-cnianglcu. Ii is vciy
insiiing anu hcls io coniiol ihc minu.
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Dcai Shyamasunuaia Pialhu,
Alici caiclully siuuying youi uissciiaiion on Iaima anu licc will anu ihc
aioiiaic scciion ol Govinua-lhasya, I siill havc 2 qucsiions. Coulu you
Iinuly answci ihcm.
1. Ii is mcniioncu in youi aci ihai iaialuha Iaima may noi lc cxhausicu
wiihin onc lilc, anu il laici is ihc casc, ihc niiacIsa ucvoicc cvcn ihough
osscssing cilcci Inowlcugc will coniinuc io livc scvcial livcs uniil his
iaialuha Iaima is comlcicly ucsiioycu. Thc qucsiion is whai consiiiuics ihcn
iaialuha Iaima. I always ihoughi ihai iaialuha Iaima manilcsis iiscll as
ihis louy, so naiuially whcn ihc louy is ucau iaialuha Iaima is linishcu.
2. Youi anu Balaucva Viuyalhusanas) conclusion is ihai iaialuha Iaima ol
ihc uic ucvoicc is nciihci ucsiioycu, noi mouilicu, lui havc io lc livcu oui
ly ihc ucvoicc cxcci loi ihc iaic cascs ol vicaiious aioncmcni). You aiguc
ihai SB siaicmcni 1u.14.S) iai ic nuIamam is usi an cxicssion ol ihc
humllc scniimcni ol ihc ucvoicc, anu ihc siaicmcnis ol Haiinama-ciniamani anu
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Nisimha-Iavaca aic lui liguiaiivc siaicmcnis inicnucu io show ihc innci
siiuaiion ol ihc uic ucvoicc as lcing unallccicu ly ihc icaciions ol his
iaialuha Iaima.
Howcvci, ihcic aic anoihci siaicmcnis in ihc looIs ol Siila Pialhuaua which
sccm io coniiauici ihis conclusion. Ioi cxamlc, Thcsc changcs ol icsuliani
aciions aic csccially icnucicu ly ihc Ioiu whcn a uic ucvoicc is involvcu.
Ii is assuicu in ihc BG 9.3u-31) ihai ihc Ioiu savcs a uic ucvoicc who has
suiicnucicu unio him wiihoui icscivaiion IROM AII SORTS OI REACTIONS OI SINS,
anu ihcic is no uouli aloui ihis. THERE ARE HUNDREDS OI EXAMPIES OI
REACTIONS CHANGED BY THE IORD IN THE HISTORY OI THE WORID. SB
1.13.43) Ii uocs noi sounu liIc a ucsciiiion ol changing anaialuha Iaima, uocs ii. How io
lc wiih Kisnas siaicmcnis, such as na mc lhaIia ianasyaii, oi yoga-Iscma vahamy
aham, anu ihousanus ol sioiics in ihc sciiiuics which aic ihcic io illusiiaic ihc oini ol
cisonal involvcmcni ol ihc Ioiu whcn His ucvoiccs aic ui inio uilliculi siiuaiions as a
icsuli ol ihcii iaialuha Iaima.)
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Thcic is anoihci, cvcn moic uiicci siaicmcni ly Siila Pialhuaua icgaiuing
iaialuha Iaima in SB 6.1.1, Whcn onc iaIcs io ucvoiional scivicc, howcvci,
all hascs ol sinlul lilc, incluuing iaialuha, aiaialuha anu lia aic
vanquishcu.
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]Noic ihcsc cogcni oinis iaiscu ly Vaiuyanaiha Dasa havc lccn answcicu in a scaiaic
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