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On an operating (“scrubbed”) basis, the trailing P/E multiple on the S&P 500
has expanded a massive 10 points from the March lows, to stand at 27.6x.
Historically, when the economy is taking the turn away from contraction towards
expansion, which indeed was the case in Q3, the trailing P/E multiple is 15x or
half what it is today (and that 15x is also calculated off depressed earnings level
of prior recessions – we have more on the historical comparisons below). While
we will not belabour the point, when all the write-downs are included, the trailing
P/E on “reported” earnings just widened to its highest levels in recorded history
of nearly 140x (see chart below), which is three times the levels prevailing
during the height of the tech bubble.
TABLE 1: ONE EXPENSIVE MARKET
United States
S&P 500
S&P 500 S&P 500 Price-to- Inflation Rate
P/E Ratio Dividend Yield Book (YoY % change) Baa Corporate Bond
Spread off
CPI ex. Real Yield 10-year
Last Month of Food & (using total Treasury
Recession Trailing Forward (percent) (ratio) Total CPI Energy CPI, percent) notes (bps)
May 1954 11.14 9.58 5.05 0.75 2.72 110
Apr 1958 14.83 13.97 4.09 3.58 2.43 1.09 179
Feb 1961 20.53 19.52 3.12 1.36 0.65 3.71 129
Nov 1970 17.00 15.80 3.73 5.60 6.62 3.78 254
Mar 1975 9.87 9.89 4.38 10.25 11.37 0.23 275
Jul 1980 8.31 8.11 5.07 1.29 13.13 12.36 -0.48 240
Nov 1982 10.96 10.23 4.97 1.27 4.59 5.29 9.71 375
Mar 1991 17.20 13.69 3.25 2.45 4.90 5.23 5.19 198
Nov 2001 29.33 21.67 1.39 3.36 1.90 2.79 5.91 316
Current 27.60 16.20 2.06 2.27 -1.48 1.44 8.06 291
Source: Haver Analytics, Thomson Reuters, Gluskin Sheff
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28 140
26 120
24 100
22 80
20 60
18 40
16 20
14 0
03 04 05 06 07 08 09 03 04 05 06 07 08 09
But the point is well taken that if in fact we are at an inflection point, moving out
of recession and into expansion, looking strictly at multiples on depressed
trailing earnings could be misleading. So let’s take a look at what valuations
looked like at previous turning points in the cycle. For example, when the
recession ended in November 2001, the trailing multiple was 29.3x, much
higher than today indeed, which may be a reason why the market did not bottom
for nearly another year. It was too expensive.
At the end of the recession in March 1991, the trailing P/E multiple was 17.2x.
In November 1982, it was 11.0x and in July 1980 it was 8.3x. When the
recession ended in March 1975, the P/E ratio was 9.9x, and in November 1970,
it was 17.0x. Now there is no doubt that the bulls would argue that the
multiples troughed at unusually low levels because inflation was extremely high.
Point taken. But when we go back to the low-inflation periods of February 1961,
the multiple at the recession trough was 20.5x, not 27.6x. At the April 1958
recession-end-point, the P/E was 14.8x, and in May 1954, it was 11.1x. The
P/E was not 27.6x.
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The next counterargument is that interest rates are lower today. Well, they
aren’t really. Yes, government bill and bond yields are ultra-low, but since the Another argument for the
P/E is a ‘real’ concept, it should be compared to a ‘real’ interest rate; and the run-up in the market today
appropriate interest rate for the stock market is the corporate interest rate. is that interest rates are
What we see is that real Baa corporate yield is north of 8.0% — normally, this low… well, they aren’t
real yield is closer to 2.5% when the economy makes its turn. And while Baa really
spreads have come in, at just below 300 basis points, they remain well above
the traditional 230bp spread they are at when the economy is making the
transition to a post-recession backdrop. (This is another way of saying that
credit is still more appropriately priced than equities.)
All that can really be said is that going back 60 years, there have only been 14
months when the trailing multiple was as high as it is today, and that covers 10
recessions. This implies that the market is in the top 2% expensive terrain
historically, and those other times basically covered the tech mania of a decade ago.
For all the talk of how low interest rates are, look at the dividend yield. It is all
the way back down to 2.0%! That is half of where it normally is when the
recession is about to morph into expansion. In fact, only once, again in
November 2001, has the dividend yield been this low to touch off a new bull
market and business cycle.
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25
20
15
Average
10
5
50 52 54 56 58 60 62 64 66 68 70 72 74 76 78 80 82 84 86 88 90 92 94 96 98 00 02 04 06 08
At the end of a given recession, the forward P/E multiple is closer to 14x or a
good 15% lower than what we have on our hands today. As an aside, the
forward multiple on the eve of the 1987 stock market collapse was 14x and one … And at the end of a
of the explanations for the steep correction was that equities were so recession, the forward
overvalued and overbought that it was vulnerable to any shock (in that case, it
P/E is closer to 14x or a
good 15% lower than what
came out of the U.S. dollar market). It certainly was not the economy because
we have today
that sharp 30% slide took place even with an economy that was humming along
at a 7.0% clip and corporate profits were rising at over a 50% YoY pace.
At the October 2007 market highs, the forward P/E multiple was 15x compared
to 16.2x today, so you can understand why it is that:
The bottom-up consensus for operating EPS for the coming year back in October
2008 was $89.46 – and this was after Lehman collapsed and recession reality
set in. What are we likely to see? Something closer to $50 or more than 40%
below that projection.
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On a forward basis, didn’t you know, equities were trading at only a 12x multiple
a year ago and hence must have been viewed as a raving buy! Did you know Valuation may not be the
back then that the market was really trading at a forward multiple — with perfect best timing device, but it
hindsight of course — of nearly 30x? still pays to know whether
you are getting into the
Valuation may not be the best timing device, but it still pays to know whether you market at reasonable
are getting into the market at acceptable prices. If the S&P 500 was in a 700- prices
750 range, de facto pricing in zero to 1% GDP growth, we would certainly be
interested in boosting our allocations towards equities. But at 1,070 and over
4% GDP growth effectively being discounted, we will be spectators as opposed
to participants, understanding that the key to success is to NOT buy at the
peaks. So the strategy is to sit on the sidelines, be selective in our equity
choices, and wait for the correction to come or for the fundamentals to catch up
with this overvalued, overbought, overextended market. Remember, the reason
why the tortoise won the race was because the hare got tired.
One more thing — when people look back at this period, they are very likely going to
ask themselves why it was that they never paid attention to the volume data, which,
like the bond and money market, never confirmed the veracity of this very flashy bear
market rally. Keep in mind that Japan enjoyed four of these 50% power surges in the
context of a market that is still down nearly 75% from its highs of two-decades ago.
So remember, rallies in a bear market are to be rented; never owned.
5.5
5.0
4.5
4.0
3.5
3.0
2.5
2.0
1.5
1.0
0.5
80 82 84 86 88 90 92 94 96 98 00 02 04 06 08
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In fact, what’s normal is for the market to rally 20% from the trough to the time
the recession ends. By the time we are up 60%, the economy is typically well
into the third year of recovery; we aren’t usually engaged in a debate as to what
month the recession ended. The ISM, for example, is close to 60 at this point,
not 50; and consumer confidence is close to 100, not 53 as is now the case
with the Conference Board survey. In other words, we are witnessing a market
event that is outside the distribution curve.
Some pundits will boil it down to abundant liquidity, a term they can seldom
When you read about
adequately define. But if it’s a case of an endless stream of cheap money,
“liquidity” driving the
remember in Japan rates have been microscopic for years, and while the Nikkei
market, it usually implies
certainly did enjoy no fewer than four 50% rallies and over 420,000 rally points,
that “we have no clue”
it is still more than 70% lower today than it was two decades ago. So, liquidity what is really going on
and technicals can certainly touch off whippy tradable rallies, but they don’t take
you all the way to a sustainable bull market. Only positive economic and
balance sheet fundamentals can do that.
Another way to look at the situation is that when you hear and read about
“liquidity” driving the market, it is usually a catch-all phrase for “we have no
clue” but it sounds good. When we don’t have a reasonable explanation for
what is driving prices, our strategy is to watch from the sidelines and express
whatever positive views we have in the credit market and our other income and
hedge fund strategies.
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Well let’s consider that from our lens, the S&P 500 is now priced for $83 in
operating EPS (we come to that conclusion by backing out the earnings yield From our lens, the S&P
that would match the current inflation-adjusted Baa corporate bond yield). That 500 is now priced for $83
earnings stream is nearly double from the most recent four-quarter trend — it earnings … nearly double
normally takes around FIVE years for earnings to double from a recession low; it the current four-quarter
could be longer this time around given the lack of top-line pricing power in this trend
deflationary cycle. Indeed, according to S&P, revenues are set to decline 14.4%
YoY in Q3 and that would represent an unprecedented fourth double-digit
decline in a row!
Not only that, but the top-down estimates on operating EPS for 2009 is $48,
$53 for 2010, $63 for 2011, and $81 for 2012. The bottom-up consensus
forecasts only go to 2010 and even for this usually bullish bunch, operating EPS
is seen at $73, which means that $83 is likely a 2011 story. Either way, the
market is basically discounting an earnings stream that even the consensus
does not see for another two-to-three years. In other words, this is more than
just a fully priced market at this point.
What about market sentiment? Well, here it is less clear. To be sure, bullish Risks to our view is if Ma
sentiment has risen sharply, to 52% as per the latest Market Vane barometer and Pa Kettle capitulates
from 32% when the market was plumbing the depths at the lows last March. and we get actually get a
We are normally two years past the recession — not two weeks or two months V-shaped recovery
— by the time these bullish readings cross above 50% on any sustained basis.
That said, the levels would really cause us concern over a “bubble” forming if
(when?) this metric hits 70%, which is right where it was when the “fun” began
in October 2007.
As for liquidity, we hear this all time about the $3.5 trillion sitting in money
market funds ready to be put to work in the stock market. But frankly, this is the
same size as they were in October 2007, so we never find this statistic anything
more than amusing. The Fed’s balance sheet has stopped expanding this year,
and in fact, the money supply data are now contracting right across the board as
credit in the private sector contracts and the banks deploy their record level of
excess reserves into government bonds. That said the big risk for those of us in
the not-so-bullish camp is that the retail investor does begin to chase
performance and switch into equities because since the lows, retail investors
have plowed $200 billion into bond funds, hybrids and growth & income funds
and just $17 billion into pure capital appreciation equity funds.
So far, it would appear that the “buying” has come more from program trading,
short-covering and institutional portfolio managers putting cash to work. This is
the big risk for the bears — what if Ma and Pa Kettle capitulate?
Of course, the second major risk is what happens if in fact we get a V-shaped
earnings recovery because an $80 earnings stream, even on a more
compressed 15x multiple, would inevitably take the market up to a new post-
Lehman collapse high. It’s not our view, but a risk to our view.
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