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by Total Gadha - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 10:33 AM
In a CAT classroom or on the internet, there are two kinds of students- those who study and those who believe that they are studying but are actually not. Every time I start taking a fresh batch, it hardly
takes one or two classes to identify both types of students. And it has nothing to do with intelligence or background. It has to do with attitude and fighting spirit. Every time I throw a problem in the class or
post it in the forums, the students who are studying would be trying hard to solve the problem. They would arrive at an answer, whether right or wrong. On the other hand, the students are who are just
striking a pose of studying would be waiting for me to give the answers and the solutions. They would be acting as if they are thinking hard but in reality would not be thinking at all. On the internet, I
frequently see students who waste time in idle chit chat when they should be busy solving problems. They feel satisfied that they have done something for their CAT by looking at problem or talking about
CAT to others but in essence they have done nothing and wasted one more day. Students like these, as I tell my serious students, are going to fill up the CAT form to give you your 99 percentile. One
thing I have learnt from my past experiences is that you can never teach attitude to students. Either they have it or they dont. Whereas winners focus on completing their tasks, whiners have excuses and
ways of work avoidance. In TathaGat, we have a strict rule for students to submit one book review per week. And sometimes we see the book review either copied from the net or written after hearing about
the content from their friends. We even have strict rule for submission of quant or DI assignments. And many students turn in their assignments half-attempted. The serious students, on the other hand,
finish their assignments before time and would frequently come to me with Sir aur material mil sakta hai kya? There is a world of difference between the two attitudes. Where I constantly hear from the
whiners Sir aap solve kar dijiye, I also constantly hear from the winners Sir abhi answer mat batayiye, solve karne dijiye. The only sane advice for the instructors in this field, who sometimes feel as
frustrated as I do, is- spend 80% of your time with your winners. And winners are not the ones who score at the top. They are the ones who are fighting the hardest, whether they are weak or strong in
the subject does not matter. And for students on the internet who want to do idle chit chat in the forums or engage in socializing, you would find TotalGadha.com too boring a place. We are serious about
studies here.
For our students on TG.com, we would like to share one of our endeavors in CAT CBT Club- Video lessons. Dagny and I have been tinkering with our camera and trying to make some good video lessons for our CBT Club students. We have uploaded
one such video- Divisors of a number- for our TG junta. Do have a look and give us your feedback. Unfortunately, to watch the rest of the lessons that we are making, you will have to become a member of our exclusive club.
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Re: Functions
by Rohit Ghosh - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 01:31 PM
Nice article TG, as usual supreme quality.

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Re: Functions
by abhik chakraborty - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:12 PM
tg sir,
i am puz zled of what category i am till now. but one thing i know for sure what i should try to be or at least try to do. and the article on function is incredible.
thank you.
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Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:38 PM
Hi Abhik,
I really do not know about that but I think you (and everyone else) should read thishttp://totalgadha.com/tgtown/amitkumar/2009/05/16/are-u-really-preparing/
Total Gadha
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Re: Functions
by Veena Binya - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 04:35 PM
Hi TG..
The range of the function 1/1+root(x) has been given as [0,1]
Should it not be (0,1] ?
Because it can only tend to 0, but can never become 0....
Regards
Veena
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Re: Functions
by Nikhil Rajagopalan - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 06:00 PM
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nice one
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Re: Functions
by Swat cat - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 06:24 PM
Lesson is as usual excellent.

But the sentence that stole the show is
Students like these, as I tell my serious students, are going to fill up the CAT form to give you your 99 percentile.
A wake-up call .
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Re: Functions
by SHEKHAR SHARMA - Thursday, 2 July 2009, 07:56 PM
hi tg sir......
really this article abt to know urself that in which catagory i am, is really inspirable.........n also basic knowledge abt function is very good.
thank you sir
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Re: Functions
by Harshit @IIM - Friday, 3 July 2009, 02:07 PM
Awesome article as usual
but i dont know when to calculate f(x+1) and when to f(1-x) or f(x-1) so as to get a relation between two sequence.
for example in question

f(1)=3600 and f(1) + f(2) + ....f(n)=n^2f(n)
u have calculated f(n+1) to simplify but in question
f(x)=9^x/(9^x + 3)
u have calculated f(1-x).
I guess this decision comes with practise but still i want to ask you any tips on how to decide which value to calculate.
Please suggest
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Re: Functions
by ayush roy - Friday, 3 July 2009, 03:56 PM
sir
it is a vry nice article....
sir m an engineering student,have passed out this year only,a vry serious follower of this site,n a big fan of ur articles.....
wen i was preparin for IIT JEE,the most serious prb which i was facin was to sketch the graphs, i always wanted to do that,coz it helped a lot in physics also.
sir what ever u hav explained ovr here is abt analyz in a function,which m vry gud at,but it has nvr helpd me in sketchin d graphs....i was nvr able to correlate both analyz in and sketchin.
plz tell me how i can do that vry easily,without puttin values into a function.
thank you
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Re: Functions
by shiva chepuri - Friday, 3 July 2009, 06:58 PM
it is a wonderful article !!!

please discuss types of function if possible
sir
Sqrt(4-x 2)
range should be (-infinity , 2]
because sqrt(x) outcome is R
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Doubt In Functions
by A B C - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 01:43 PM
HI TG...
I have a doubt here..
f(x) = odd and g(x) = even then f(g(x)) = odd..
now consider f(x) = x^3 and g(x) = x^2 than
f(g(x)) = x^6..which is an even function and hence
contradicts
the statement...
Am i missing some concept here ..?
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Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 06:18 PM
Hi Shiva,
Give me one example when it is more than 2.
Total Gadha
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Re: Doubt In Functions

by Total Gadha - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 06:20 PM
Hi Shailendra,
I don't see the statement you have mentioned. The case you are mentioning, I have specified that it is an even function. Where is the contradiction?
Total Gadha
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by manjushaa srinivasan - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 11:02 PM
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Hi TG
i found your article very thought-provoking and clear cut.Himanshu's blog was also very inspirational.In my opinion any serious CAT aspirant who reads your article would become more dedicated towards his/her CAT preparation.Your explanation of functions was also very
useful.I just want 1 advice from you.I'm not natural with quant.Even though i've been practising all along,i'm not sure if i can think as analytically as most of the other aspirants who are strong in quant .so far i've tried to cover all chapters but i would like to know if i'd be able to
crack the quant section if i'm well versed with number system,geometry,averages,percentages,alligations,profit and loss,interest,functions,set theory,progressions,probability,logarithms,surds and indices.although i'm practising problems from P&C,Mensuration but i get stuck
when the sum is slightly twisted.this is worrying me.
Regards
manjushaa
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by manjushaa srinivasan - Saturday, 4 July 2009, 11:05 PM
I also have a problem visualising 3 D figures especially cubes which is hampering my speed and accuracy in mensuration to a great extent.What exactly should i do about this?
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Re: Functions
by Mohit Sharma - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 01:40 AM
Nice Article...Tg
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by Total Gadha - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 04:31 AM
Hi Manjusha,
The trick to get good at quant is to try and solve a lot of problems on your own. Try to solve them in any which manner that you can- by putting values, by generalizing, by longer methods or by using
theorems etc. But solve as much as you can. You will get good at this as you go along.
Total Gadha
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by Veena Binya - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 09:46 AM
Hi TG..
The range of the function 1/1+root(x) has been given as [0,1]
Should it not be (0,1] ?
Because it can only tend to 0, but can never become 0....
Regards
Veena
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by manjushaa srinivasan - Sunday, 5 July 2009, 02:34 PM
hi TG
Thanks for the reply.
previously when cat was CBT,it was feasible to leave few tough topics like P&C,inequalities,TSD etc if we were strong with number system,geometry,P&L,percentages,functions,averages,alligations,progressions,log,algebra.With the new pattern do we have cover the entire
syllabus?how is it possible to solve DI directly from computer screen especially the ones which involve tables where we need to calculate and give rankings etc?Since skimming and scanning of RCs,skillful selection of sitter questions are redundant now,what should be our new
strategy?
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by amit jain - Monday, 6 July 2009, 10:45 PM
can some one explain the question, area between the coordinate axis and fff(x). I am nt getting it.
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Re: Functions
by Prakash jain - W ednesday, 8 July 2009, 07:48 AM
sir you have realy openend my eyes, i belong to the 1st category, i have been pretending to prepare for CAT since 2 year but today i have realised that my previous efforts were not true, now I promise you that i will seriously prepare for this exam,and will perform well,thank
you so much for such a wonderful article...
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Re: Functions
by Dipanjan Biswas - W ednesday, 8 July 2009, 12:18 PM
At first I want to give you thanks for writing such a helluva article..It helped me to find my loopholes regarding one of the most important sections of quant.
I would like to draw your attention on a few typo errors..
(1)How to draw a graph of F(x): Point number three..Latter one should be for maximum..
(2)f(x)=x^3(x+2) the second derivative of this function is positive..
Sir,
I find it hard to draw any rectangular hyperbola graph..Can you elucidate it further..
TG Rockz z z\m/
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Re: Functions
by dishant dhokia - Thursday, 9 July 2009, 11:58 AM
For how many values of x is f(f(f(x))) = 19?
In this sum
f(f(f(x))) = 19
The next step is f(f(x)) = 38.
I am not able to deduce this..
Please someone elaborate???????????

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Re: Functions
by Dipanjan Biswas - Friday, 10 July 2009, 08:21 AM
Hi Dishant,
Look at the function..
See f(x) = x/2 if x is even
= x+1 if x is odd
In other way
x=2f(x) if f(x) is either even or odd
x=f(x)-1 if f(x) is even
As f(x)=19=odd
so x=38
likewise f(x)=38
x=76 or 37
likewise f(x)=76
x=152 or 75
for f(x)=37
x=74
so {x}=>{74,75,152}
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Cheers!!
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Got a doubt
by Varun Agrawal - Friday, 10 July 2009, 03:01 PM
Please discuss types of function if possible

sir
Sqrt(4-x 2)
range should be [-2 , 2]
because sqrt(x) of a number gives 2 values. Positive and negative. Can you please elucidate how it is [0,2]
Thanks
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Re: Got a doubt

by Dipanjan Biswas - Saturday, 11 July 2009, 01:38 PM
Varun please do go back to the question..

It does not want the range of x rather the range of f(x).
Max of f(x)=2 when x=0
Min of f(x)=0 when x=+-2
So f(x) [0,2]
Please don't be in haste before raising your doubts. TG family takes utmost care before publishing these lessons..
Hope you have accepted my comment on a positive note!!
All the best!!
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Re: Functions
by shiva chepuri - Saturday, 11 July 2009, 08:00 PM
yes sir
got it
but it should be [-2,2]
if i am wrong
plz correct
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Re: Functions
by Varun Goenka - Sunday, 12 July 2009, 10:22 PM
the func. is basically y=sqrt(4-x^2)

i.e. y^2=4-x^2
this is equation of a circle...x^2 + y^2 = 4...with origin as centre and 2 as radius...
but the given f(x) is just the upper half of the circle..
y=sqrt(4 - x^2)...is for upper half of the circle...
y= -sqrt(4 - x^2)...is for lower half of the circle...
our question is related to upper half of the circle...so range is [0,2] and domain is [-2,2]..
I think this should help...
Regards,
Varun Goenka
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Re: Functions
by Siddharth sahoo - Monday, 13 July 2009, 03:36 PM
@sahil, As discussed by you, x^2 * x^3 will be x^5. X^m * x^n = x (m+n).x 5 is an odd function.
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by soumen paul - Tuesday, 14 July 2009, 06:59 PM
f(x)=x^3 is not a odd function if x=2,4,6........

g(x)=x^2 is not a even function if x=3,5,7........
f(x)=2x+1 is a odd function for 0,1,2.....
g(x)=2x+2 is a even function for 0,1,2......
so here f[g(x)]=4x+5 is a odd function
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Re: Functions
by Ashish Kumar - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 12:23 AM
lol PATAKKA article....but what i loved more is those who are whiners and are reading this can actually do something still coz there is still time but even after this if they cannot do anything then trust me they are helping the winners more n more lol ROFL !!!
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Re: Functions
by Abhishek Samanta - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 04:19 AM
Hi TG,
Simply superb article...I think I have fallen in love with functions...can you please add more problems on functions? or may be one set of problems? or may be some book....anything will do....
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Re: Functions
by Abhishek Samanta - Thursday, 16 July 2009, 04:24 AM
hi dishant,
take it this way...can f(x) ever be odd?
when x is odd, f(x)=x+1...so it will always give you even f(x)..
when x is even, f(x)=x/2; this is only chance when you can get odd f(x)..
here f(m) [m=f(f(x)) ] is odd.....so m must be even...

that means m/2=38
so, m=76 i.e. f(f(x))=76..
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Re: Functions
by piyush dixit - Friday, 17 July 2009, 09:39 PM
HI TG,
I am a frequent reader of your post, and following this site almost since its inception. I am an adherent fan of yours, BUT I am very disappointed with this article of yours, and hence writing to you for the first time. I guess, you started this whole exercise of totalgadha.com to
ridicule the jargon taught by famous coaching classes in their curriculum to show their superiority among the students community, TG i belive you started the exercise to change the way education system works at this level. But it seems you are getting infected by the same
BUG.
I am sorry, if i have misunderstood you.
Hats off for all your other posts, which I have been through.
PIYUSH
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Re: Functions
by Total Gadha - Sunday, 19 July 2009, 10:49 PM
Hi Piyush,
I am infected by what I do, down to my last nail.
My opinion should hardly matter to you. Take what is good and ignore everything else.
Total Gadha
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Nice article TG, as usual supreme quality.

Lesson is as usual excellent.

Awesome article as usual

for example in question

it is a wonderful article !!!

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Re: Doubt In Functions

For how many values of x is f(f(f(x))) = 19?

The next step is f(f(x)) = 38.

I am not able to deduce this..

Please someone elaborate???????????

Please discuss types of function if possible

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Re: Got a doubt

Varun please do go back to the question..

the func. is basically y=sqrt(4-x^2)

Re: Doubt In Functions

f(x)=x^3 is not a odd function if x=2,4,6........

here f(m) [m=f(f(x)) ] is odd.....so m must be even...

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