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    xevi__ BIBLIOGRAPHY =e Howland, Jacob. 1990. “Socrates and Alcibiades: Eros, Piety, and Politics.” lerpretation 18: 63-90. [On the Aleibinées 11] Johnson, David M. 1999. “God as the True Self: Plato’s Aletiades 1.” Ancient Philosophy 19: 1-19, Kahn, Charles. 1994, “Aeschit 's on Socratic Eros.” In The Socratic lited by Paul A. Vander Waerdt, 87-106. Ithaca: iniversity Press, Nussbaum, Martha C. 1986, The Fra Gooitness: Luck and Ethics in Greek Tragedy and Philosophy. Cambridge: Cambridge University Press. [Chapter 6 is on Alcibiades’ speech from the Sympa angle, Thomas, ed. 1987. The Roots of ‘Ten Forgotten ialagues, Whaca: Cor ersity Press. [Includes a and interpreta ibiades Sharon, Avi, trans. 1998, Pla Newburyport, Mass.: Foc Stone, LF. 1988, The Trial of Socrates. om] New York: Little, Brown & Co. ALCIBIADES 1 re chy I, the first to Socrates: Son of Cleinias, I think you're wondering why I, th Tove you, alone have not stopped loving you when the others have, why, when the others crowded you with their conversation, ray years never said a thing to you.’ The cause of this ‘ow, since itis no longer opposing , and 1am of good hope that it will not oppose me in the future wow ee after watching all this time, of and pro ne who has not been surpassed by you e and fled, I'd like to go through the reason for your asymmetial sd by aristocratic Athe slans of his ly have been men thele twenties, The younger partner was expected to play hard to get, and tobe interested faction but for some other motive, wa also le promiscuous: Socrates ft Gecksenaily soe Dover 195 and Davidan 197 for Acad nd Seenow Gobble 99:6 2 » Seas festa tnce ase (peng Stace Aplysia Ther Trego 1384-1 ngs proncn ai copes re megalophvan) are here translated nis cognates hey can dese qualities ranging om acble hgh spirits and well-placed considencetto arrogance. For see ust below and contrast 118d 2 ALciBlADeEs ALCIBIADES 13 roach ¢ man surpassing pide. You say that you have no need of Socrates: So speak anything for tages ar Noho dos no ring jell begin you think that y to see that you're not mistaken are a member of the most act family in B Hie has the power to do what he wants to in all of Greece, and among many great < ide 1 are wealthy, bu » know that you've > nded, you know, to co c again seems to me that der these terms, unless you were th your name and your power. ‘one other than Cyrus and Xerxes is that you have this hope—I'm not guessing, Alcibiades: Socrates: wouldn't be surprising, you know, if just uble starting, Tshould have les: Speak on, my good man—I defeated in 479, a 4 ALCIBIADES I 5 neither guardian nor relative nor anyone else other than me. eto give you the power you desire—with the go shelp, of stranger to me now, Socrates, that you've begun en you follows Tdeny i, i will get me we had these things in to pass for me through you and .ppen? Can you tell me? Socrates: Are you asking if I can give some I (re accustomed to hearing? That's not cult Socrates: Does it seem diffi Alcibiades: No. to answer what's asked? Socrates: Answer the assumption that ALCIBIADESI_5 that i's about something I know better than he things you know that you are a good Socrates: Now don’t you know ‘others or discovered by Alcibiades: What else 1se things that you learnes Socrates: And would you want to seek thought you understood? learn something that you E Socrates: So for whatever you understand now, there was a time when ‘you did not believe that you knew it iades: Necessarily any teachers other than those the Athenians are deliberating, 6 ALCIBIADES 1 Socrates: Nor, in fact, are they ‘wrestling moves in the Assembl Alcibiades: No, they cust ned to deliberating about ther. Socrates: So it's when they're deliberating about what? For it’s not, I Suppose, when they're deliberating about bu : Alcibiades: Certainly So tes: For about thi at any rate, a builder will give better advice than you. B Alcibiades: Yes, Socrates: Nor is it when they deliberate about divination. Alcibiades: No. Socrates: For a diviner would do this better than you Alcibiades: Yes. Socrates: Whether he's short of tall, or bea or of low birth ful or ugly, or even ble Alcibiades: Why, of course, Socrates: For, I think, advice about each th Who knows, and not for Alcibiades: Wh is @ matter for the one of Socrates: And whether the one who is making a recommendation is oor or rich will make no difference to the Athenians when they ae deliberating about the health ofthe peope inthe city, but they seek a doctor for Alcibiades: That's likely. Socrates: So what is it the Ath get up to advise them ans will be considering, when you will id be correct to do so? Alcibiades: Their own affairs, Socrates. Do you mean those of their aff i have to do with ling, what sorts of ships they should have built? Alcibiades: No, I don’t, Socrates 1084 ALCIBIADES 17 Socrates: For you dom’ think understand how to build a ships this the reson, ori something ele? Alcibiades: No, that’s it Socrates: Wel f their own affairs do you mean? Alcibiades: When or some othe erating about war, Socrates, or peace, i of th Socrates: Do you mean when they aze deliberating about whom they should make peace with, and whom they should war against, and way? Alcibiades: Ye Socrates: And s war agains t they wage war with those itis better to wage Alcibiades: Yes. Socrates: And at that time when itis better? Alcibiades: Of course, Socrates: And for as long a time as is better? Alcibiades: The trainer, s the trainer looks to when he advises who one should wrestle with and who not, and when, and in what way? This is the sort of thing I mean: Should one wrestle with those it is better to wrestle with, or not? nal Socrates: Can you say what Alcibiades: One Socrates: And as much as is better? Alcibiades: That much, Socrates: And also at that time when it is better? Alcibiades: OF course, Socrates: Now, one who is singing should sometimes accompany the song with Iyre playing and dancing, Alcibiades: He should. Socrates: At that time when itis better? 8 ALCIBIADES | Alcibiades: I can’t bring it to mind. Socrates: W. Fy to imit e me. For [ answered, I sup ‘is correct in every case, and that which comes abou with the art i, surely, correct. Or not? ‘wasn't the art athletics? of course, And I said that what's better in wrestling is athletic. Alcibiades: You did say of playing the lyre and si and dancing, coreectly? What is ot abe to say? called all together? Are you Alcibiades: Certainly 1 ‘name does the art get from them? Alcibiades: It seems to me that you mean your actions and your subject by experience, ALCIBIADEST_9 Socrates: Wel put, Come on then, when it comes to the better” both in waging war and in keeping peace, what term do You use for this "Detter? Just sin each eae you end What was beter, hat Socrates: Don’t you know that whenever we make war we go fight blaming each other for some as we go off? Socrates: Hold on: how is it that we've suffered each of these things? Try to say how one way diff Asohros, the Greek for “disgracefl” here, can also mean “ugly.” ALCIBIADES 111 you were Alcibiades: But dor believe 1 discover it? Socrates: I do, a Alcibiades: Then was Socrates: Beautifully put. Can you say is time was when you did not think that you knew what's just and what's 10a ‘Come on, was Socrates: Nor does it seem admirable,

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