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APS-C glass that works on FF raw
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There has been some dicussion on full frame crop mode, but its never quite clear
what common glass works on which FF.
I have read that Philip bloom notes that Tokina 11-16mm f2.8 works at 16mm on
5DMIII, even without crop. I have also read that in 3X crop mode it works full
range 11-16mm.
I am just wondering about some other great aps-c glass. Have any folks checked
these on FF (5DII/III,6D)
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canon 10-24
canon 18-55 f2.8
Sigma 18-35 f1.8
Sigma 55-150 f2.8
canon 55-250 f4-5.6
chmee
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is it worth the hassle? because some of them arent cheap as well. i m shure there
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3604347#forum-post-52873126
regards chmee
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Levas
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the first two lenses in your list are Canon, these wille never fit on EF full frame
mount if they are EF-S lenses...
Third party lenses do fit on your canon EF full frame camera mount, but you have
to "google" if they won't smash your mirror.
However, if they are 3d party lenses, and you can check them in a store or shop,
you can easily see if the rear lens elements do stick out the back of the lens or
not.
If nothing moves on the rear/mount part of the lens, they should fit and shouldn't
damage your mirror...
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The Gear - Canon 600D, Sigma 30mm 1.4, Canon 18-55mm, Yongnuo 565EX flash,
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Here is the kind of test I am after, it shows that the Tokina can be
used fully in 5D Mark II crop mode (which can be 2k no less so this
will be a low-light super 16mm, something the GH3/4 aren't!!!).
http://www.magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=8099.0
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The Gear - Canon 600D, Sigma 30mm 1.4, Canon 18-55mm, Yongnuo 565EX flash,
PhotoSel 3mx3m backdrop stand with 3mx3m muslin backdrops. Elinchrom D-Lite 4 it
studio lights, some big-ass 110cm reflector. Unlimited Swedish Models
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Rainless not quite sure were you're going with that but here's some links for the
5D MII in 3x crop mode shooting 2K,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYuUM3FALwo
2152 x 980 ~ shooting raw video
http://www.ramasolaproductions.com/6.html
In crop mode
2144 x 898 = continuous recording raw video
The sensor being centre 1/3 of a FF, is smaller than a super 16 but its pixels are
bigger, it should handle low light better without aliasing/moire (its cropped!).
Low-light is a common blog bitch against the MFT sensors. I'm a fan of what the
GH4 can do well, but low light is not a strength of its sensor.
I prefer to think of the 5D MII 3X crop raw 2K as a poor cousin to the GH4 in the
16mm space but its ability to compete is really under the radar, and for less than
half the money ($1k used) its pretty good value.
And if you think about a $660 speed booster to get your canon EF mount lenses
to work, then its closer to 1/3rd the money.
As for the GH4 video or claims, I really cant respond on this thread without hijacking it, there are so many other places to discuss GH3/4
strengths/weaknesses.
Rather than compare a MFT 4K with a FF 1080p, try to compare with a 2.5K raw
crop and have both re-res to 1080p.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3QC7wqNFQ0
Last Edit: November 03, 2014, 07:15:11 AM by ShootMeAlready Report to moderator
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10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
rainless
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Well I'm just saying I haven't seen any practical applications for this 2k video.
Everything's just like the 2.5k on the clip you linked to: Short clips... tests...
sometimes flowers.
But I have yet to see a short film shot in 2k or anything practical. A seen with
dialogue... a chase seen... Something that's more than 4 seconds long. And if
you're talking about a used 5D mk II you have to compare it to a used GH4.
(Because new, and body only, they cost the same... or the 5D is more.)
Back on the topic of full frame though... I have APS-C lenses and I'm looking to
get either a 5D MK II or a 6D. I know the 30mm 1.4 will have vignetting... but if
I'm using crop mode anyway... which would you recommend? the mk II for the CF
card or the 6D for the low light? Don't the both do 2k?
And am I right that using crop mode will negate the vignetting anyway?
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I've been looking rather hard at the issue of what would be a complement to my
70D.
The 6D is great camera if you only do stills, it wins in low light and light better AF
over the 5DII but canon lamed it, so its only a 720p raw video. The 6D wont do
continuous 2K in crop, its lamed to 720p.
I will use my 70D for 60p raw 720p, so all I get from the 6D is low light.
The 5DII does not get you video 60fps, but again I think 70D is better choice
anyways because its AF is far more useful for video or action shots.
I see great value in the 5DMII, as its not hard to find for $1K used in good
shape.
1. It does 1856x1004 or 1856x1044 (crop) raw continuous (near 1080p options).
2. It does a few things slighlty better than a 70D: low light, richer bokeh, richer
colour tone.
3. It can use many aps-c lenses in crop mode. Huge savings there.
On that note I think of a FF as mainly a prime lens beast anyways. Its seems if
you need reach then shoot aps-c.
4. It does 2K raw video continuous. The kicker here is the 3X crop, Tokina 1116mm & Sigma 18-35, 50mm are most useful.
5. With the faster CF reader, you can play around to try out anamorphic, and
higher bit rates.
So that's my take. If you want publishable stills get a 6D, if you want raw video
the 5DMII is a great accompaniment to a 70D.
The 5DMII by itself comes up short for video, slow-mo 30fps, and its AF is slower.
If I could only afford one, probably I'ld get the 70D, its the best all round camera
of the three.
Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 03:37:15 AM by ShootMeAlready Report to moderator
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T3i+ML & 70D.112+ML, Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 18-35 1.8, 50-150 II 2.8, 50 1.4, Canon
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T3i+ML & 70D.112+ML, Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 18-35 1.8, 50-150 II 2.8, 50 1.4, Canon
10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
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Looks like sigma 50-150mm has been tested on a FF, and it is most useful 50100mm, f4.
It seems that 100mm is the best of three tested.
http://www.lenstip.com/364.8-Lens_review-Sigma_50150_mm_f_2.8_APO_EX_DC_OS_HSM_Vignetting.html
Now here it is used on a Nikon full frame at 122mm, with no noticable issues.
http://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/37956963
ShootMeAlready
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The Tokina 11-16mm 2.8 yes it fits/shoots. 16mm works no crop. It works full
range on 3X crop mode.
The Tamron 17-50 2.8 VC yes it fits/shoots. Interested to see if full range works
on 3X crop mode?
The Sigma 30 1.4 Art, yes it fits/shoots. Vignettes on FF. Works on 3X crop.
** Edit appears to not work on FF no crop, https://www.youtube.com/watch?
v=KVrgoIHPxmE **
The Sigma 18-35 1.8 is yes it fits/shoots. 35mm works no crop with distortion. It
works full range works on 3X crop mode.
** Edit: Slight vignette at 35mm on FF no crop, very usable at f8.
http://www.dpreview.com/lensreviews/sigma-18-35-1-8/4
The Sigma 50-150mm 2.8 yes it fits/shoots. Maintains vignette all focal lengths
with no crop. It works full range on 3X crop mode.
So using aps-c quality zooms, you can cover off 16mm f2.8 with no crop. Slight
vignette on a 35mm at f1.8 (which is very sharp at f2). Not bad freebies.
The third party zooms, generally work with 3X crop mode on FF. Not a bad way to
ease into a FF by saving $$$.
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T3i+ML & 70D.112+ML, Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 18-35 1.8, 50-150 II 2.8, 50 1.4, Canon
10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
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I thought to bump my own thread... anyone got a Tamron 17-50 2.8 VC they can
test on a FF, lets see if it works at any focal lengths?
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10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
HondaATC
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The Canon 10-22 will work with the removal of the back lens plastic block to keep
the shutter from hitting it, and you can't go any wider than about 13-14mm from
what I recall. Just google "10-22 on full frame" or 10-22 on 5d and you'll find a
couple of other forum threads where guys have done it.
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I've done similar mod with kit 18-55 lens connected to FF. It works from approx
20mm without hitting mirror, and covers almost full frame (rounded edges) on
18mm. But I'm using it with old analog EOS 650 (even AF works
) so I can't
check crop mode.
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5D2, dead 50D, XH-A1 (anyone willing to port ML to it?
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I had the tokina 11-16 on my 5d3 with raw. It was usable for me at 14,5 (without
any filter, some vignette but usable) to 16mm (ok even with filter). It is important
that In crop mode image is acceptable on 16mm but unfortunatelly in 11mm it is
not IMO due to the fact, that 3x crop when is not exactly in the sensor centre,
there is no vignette, you can get wide angle but especially with resolution higher
than 1080p image distortion on the one side is much much bigger than on the
other (everything is stretched on the one side). I asked devs is it possible to fix
this but unfortunatelly it is not. I have seen some topic with very interesting
physical lens modification to work with this issue.
THis is the topic about it:
http://magiclantern.fm/forum/index.php?topic=9244.msg93233#msg93233
Last Edit: January 07, 2015, 04:09:11 PM by kgv5
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I recall when I put a Sigma 18-35mm f1.8 on a 5DII that at 35mm there was
distortion. Did not recall if one side or both.
It works but I guess it would be better to LR it, and lens correct to confirm its
recoverable.
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T3i+ML & 70D.112+ML, Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 18-35 1.8, 50-150 II 2.8, 50 1.4, Canon
10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
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Danne, couldn't help but notice that you linked a thread with 2,5K video on I
assume mostly 5DIII.
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Rainless seems to think the GH4 is the 4K champ, and that it kicks the 5DIII.
Have you any comparison videos between 5DIII at 2.5K dual iso and a GH4 4K,
both cropped to 1080p?
Would be curious to see just how sharp 5DIII can get.
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T3i+ML & 70D.112+ML, Tokina 11-16 2.8, Sigma 18-35 1.8, 50-150 II 2.8, 50 1.4, Canon
10-18stm, 28 1.8, 35 2, 50 1.8, 85 1.8, 55-250 IS II "Shoot Long and Prosper"
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I did some 4k in 15 fps a long time ago. Interpolated back to 24fps with twixtor.
Very big files.
2, 5k I,d say is sweet spot with 5D mark 3. It is very sharp and dynamic range is
among the best.
About gh4 I,ve seen some interesting tests at cinema5d. From the test I, d
personally would choose both 5d mark 3 and sony A7s and black magic before I,
d pick a gh4. Everyone can choose what suits them best
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Good call and now I'm curious to try this 10 2.8 sigma that I borrowed from
work... Not sure if it's worth getting that modified without risking myself in
getting fired (if I were to break it)??
LoL
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Danne
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Cool. Got a sigma 10-20 f3, 5 with a defect iris which I modded as well. All you
need is an extra brass mount to modify. I keep the original parts in a box for the
future
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That's cool
however I don't think it'll be such a good idea to fiddle with this
one... maybe I'll find myself a used one on Craigslist and then try your method on
it one of these days.
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