3 December 1952 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD suzJ@T: Flying Seucers 1, At 1100 yesterday morning I net with Dr, Julius Ay Stratton, Executive Vice President and Provost of Hassechusetts. Institute of Technology and Dr. Max Killikan, Director of CRIS, I briefed then on the various nev reports of sigatings including the Linestone Beso Case, the Florida Scout Kester, the Uteh Notion Pictures, etc. I also Drought Dr. Stratton up to date on devoloonents which had occurred since our provious discussion of the subject in August. Dr. Stratton roiterated his carlier position that this is a subject wnich must te investigated ard he said that-probatly the test means of getting a thoroughly congetent review-of- the problea would be througa Project LINCOLN. He said, hovever, that in view of the delicate position in relation to Air Force, es a result of the "sumer Study Report acceptance of this project by LINCOLN must te based on Air Force con- currence or on en infepondent proposal from one of the otier services. He said that Alfred Hill would-te the test man to head the groupe Assazing that it night prove ingractical to plece the Project s LINCOLS, wa explored other possibilities inciuding Princetoa and Cal Tech. Br. Stratton felt strongly teat Cal "och would be the 340 in view of the presence there of Robertson, Lauritsen, (DLiken's brother and that we rake ily vary inte 2. Following the meeting with Drs. Stratton and Milliken, T had Iuxce at the Faculty Gluo with Lloyd Berinerand Jerrold Zacharias then on the recent cases and our feelings regarding their Bermer, while eperentiy not interested in taking 2 pert, felt strongly that tio-saucer problen should be thoroagtiy investigated fron a scientific point of view. Zacharias did not ezoeer to to greatly interested in the problen ant nade only one sucgestion, i.e. that Snirley Cuinyy of Colunoia University be Prought into the picture. Cuinby took his paysies degree at the sane tine as Zacharias; is now at Coluntia University, having during the war been a tavy scientist working on ASH. Zacharias suggested Quinty ‘because the latter is probably the nost expert nan in the country on magic and general chicanery. 3. Ny conclusion fron these conversations is that it will probably be necessary to secure the full backing of DCI in onder that a sclen- - tific review of this problem may be laid on. Without this backing, itne ey 2 vevouuss 2706 MEMORANDUM FOR RECORD SuZIHT: Flying Szucers 1, At 1100 yesterday morning I net with Drs Julius As Stratton, Executive Vice Fresident end Provost of Messachusstts. Institute of Tecanolozy end Dr. Max Millikan, Director of CEWiS. I briefed then on tae various nev reports of sigatings including the Linestons Base Case, the Florida Scout Kester, the Uteh Notion Pictures, ete. I also brought Dr. Stratton up to date-on develoonents which had occurred since our previous discussion of the subject in hugust, Dr. Stratton reiterated his earlier position that this is a subject wnica must te favestigated end he said thet probatly the best means of getting a thoroughly congetent review of tho problea would be throug Project LINCOLN. He said, hovevery that in view of the delicate position in relation to Air Force, es a resuit of the "Sunaer Study Report", any acceptance of this project by LINCOLN must te based on Air Force con~ currenca or cn en independent: proposal fron one of thsotier: services. He said that Alfred Hill vould te the test manto head the groupe Assuxing thet it might prove inpracvical to plece the Project at LINCOLE, we explored ovaer possibilities inesuding Prineaton and Cal Br. Stratton felt very strongly that Cal “ech would be the or of the tvo ia view of tae presence there of Robertson, Lauritson, (Spitzer ton tensorary éuty fron Princeton), Killixen's brother and Cothers:° Br. Suratton esked-particularly that we keep hin informed of the he is that we rake in having this problem investigated as rscraily very interested as wells fully avare of the potential rd inplications of the situations Following the meeting with Drs. Stratton and Milliken, T nat the Faculty Civo wita Lloyd Berner and Jerrold Zacharias ‘then on the recant cases and cur feclings regarding their Eerimer, while epparently not interested in taking a felt-strongly that tne saucer problem should be ; investigated from a scientific point of views Zacharias did not epzear to be greatly _interested in the proolen and made only one suggestion, $ 2t Shirley Cuinoy of Colusbia University be brought into the picture. Quinby took his physics degree at the sane ine as Zacharias; is now at Colunoia University, having during the war been a tiavy scientist working on ASH. Zacharsas suggested Quinby Decause tha latter is probably the nost exsert man in the country on magic end geasral-chicanerys 3. Ny conclusion from these conversations is that it will probably —be necessary to secure the full backing of DCI in onter that a scien~ - Life review of this problem may be laid on, Without this backing, it would probably te inpossible to secure the Air Force cooperation which would be necessary, particularly in the matter of availability of be reports, etc. a Dire OED Shrove STRONG y 1 = Dail; Le. = ost fgg}oxa