Sand Storms the Middle East!

World-Famous Israeli
Professor Proclaims Zionism is Stupid in latest Interview-
and not surprisingly- Ahmadinejad Agrees
By Richard Grove, Tragedy and Hope Magazine
March 22, 2010

Reconcilable Differences: If you Dream of Peace in the Middle East, Begin Here
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Summary: During a recent interview, wherein Professor Shlomo Sand was being interviewed by a
colleague of mine; I found myself witnessing a rare opportunity to take an apparent contradiction in
history. As a result, herein I offer the data which helps to dissolve the illusions which are the root cause
of these contradictions, thereby offering a unifying solution to the apparent schism. This article is an
attempt to form a logical, reasonable, and objective response to 3 points asserted by Sand,
which appear to be inaccurate; and are worthy of further study.

The week before I had reviewed the interview with Sand, I had written down this precious gem:

Georg Wilhelm Hegel taught that you can take control of history by provoking crisis. This
silences dissidents and surprises the enemy. John Taylor Gatto, interviewed by Gnostic Media
Feb. 2010

Understanding what had been offered by Gatto, I added to it what I learned from Prof. Sand; the sum of
which led me to pose a new hypothesis regarding potential peace in the Middle East:

If we can explore our fears and learn how to resolve contradictory logic; then we can liberate
ourselves and others in the process, simply by sharing the results.

In order to precisely address the incendiary ideas of Zionism, anti-Semitism, and the other emotionally-
charged topics contained in Prof. Sands book, this article leverages a classical methodology of
discerning certainty and a process of discovering meaning; and is presented in the style of a scientific
experiment in communicative media.

Part 1: Background information on the topic of discussion.

Part 2: Transcript containing the apparent contradictions which form the basis for this article.
(found @ 38 min:56 sec of the interview)

Part 3: Analysis of the data collected, reconciliation of the apparent contradictions; and the
formulation of a Conclusion.

You can listen to the entire Interview here, and the extensive list of References can be found here.

Sample quote from the Interview:

Jan Irvin: Is Judaism a Race or a Religion, and what do you say to those that claim that it is a
Race?

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 Prof: Shlomo Sand: they are stupid, exactly like the anti-Semitics, I think the Zionists that
thought in the past that Jewishness is a race, pure or not pure, are stupid- exactly like the anti-
Semitics that thought that the Jewish are a Race. All my book is a kind of declaration, that
Jewishness cannot be a Race, the origins of most of the Jews is not from Palestine and most
of the Jewish came from conversion.

Note that a few weeks prior to all of this, Irvin published this iconoclastic conversation, with a Rabbi who
had presented Mahmoud Ahmadinejad with an award for his good will and outstanding relationship with
Orthodox Jews living in Iran: Against Zionism- An Interview with Rabbi Yisrel Dovid Weiss; therein
demonstrating Ahmadinejad to be anti-Zionist, not anti-Semitic.

Part 1. Scope of this Article

Primary purpose: As the output of critical thinking and through the presentation of source material
relevant to the topic; I seek to encourage the audience to consume the 18 reference sources used to
formulate the experiment (which in practical application is itself this article). Publication of this article is a
measure of stimulating a higher-level of awareness, communication, and mutual understanding on the
subject matter; for the purposes of inspiring peace.

Secondary purpose: To inspire Professor Sand to expand his research and future books to include the
information provided herein, which is complimentary to his claims. Moreover, there exists the further
potential to resolve the apparent contradictions which appear in his interview (through the clarification of
definition, addition of grammar, identification of fallacies, contradictions, and other uses of rhetoric which
form the illusion of contradiction); revealing how the Hegelian dialectic has been used against all of us.

Background on the Author: Shlomo Sand, is currently Professor of History at Tel Aviv University in
Israel; and has also taught at the University of California, Berkeley.

Recently Sand was interviewed on the Gnostic Media Podcast; a common ground provided by host Jan
Irvin to inspire academics, authors, and experts to share their research and provide the audience with
Cognitive Liberty.

The Gnostic Media Podcast has a global audience of almost 200,000 participants, with its goal being to
satiate the hunger of listeners and voracious readers alike; inspiring the group to sharpen each other
through critical thinking and debate, rather than breaking each other through conflict.

Prof. Sands book is a presentation of the invention of what he refers to as the myth of the Jewish
people having a common ethnic origin; and is best illustrated in my opinion, by this quote:

[a]t a certain stage in the 19th century intellectuals of Jewish origin in Germany, influenced by
the folk character of German nationalism, took upon themselves the task of inventing a people
"retrospectively," out of a thirst to create a modern Jewish people. From historian Heinrich
Graetz on, Jewish historians began to draw the history of Judaism as the history of a nation that
had been a kingdom, became a wandering people and ultimately turned around and went back
to its birthplace. (Source: Shattering a 'national mythology' by Ofri Ilani, Haaretz, March 2008)

Background on: The Invention of the Jewish People by Shlomo Sand, 2009

About the book: Shlomo Sand argues that most Jews actually descend from converts, whose native
lands were scattered far across the Middle East and Eastern Europe.

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 Shlomo Sand has written a remarkable book. In cool, scholarly prose he has, quite simply,
normalized Jewish history. In place of the implausible myth of a unique nation with a special
destiny expelled, isolated, wandering and finally restored to its rightful home he has
reconstructed the history of the Jews and convincingly reintegrated that history into the general
story of humankind. The self-serving and mostly imaginary Jewish past that has done so much
to provoke conflict in the present is revealed, like the past of so many other nations, to be
largely an invention. Anyone interested in understanding the contemporary Middle East should
read this book. Tony Judt

Tom Segev in Haaretz: One of the most fascinating and challenging books
published here in a long time.

Jonathan Cook in The National: Shlomo Sands latest work has spent 19
weeks on Israels bestseller list.

Morgan Strong in Consortium News: There has been no serious rebuttal to

Sands book, which has been a bestseller in Israel and Europe.

Israel Bartal in Haaretz: a learned, captivating study certainly worthy of a

serious discussion.

Situational Background:

Having made myself familiar with Professor Shlomo Sands recent book, titled: The Invention of the
Jewish People; I had built up a great deal of respect for Sands extensive research, and courageous
proclamations of his findings despite the status quo. I agree for the most part with the conclusions
reached in Sands book, based on the evidence cited; and that upon which we do not agree, I readily
admit my ignorance and thus recognize my need to invest more time in order to understand.

Observation:

In listening to the raw-recording of Irvins interview with Sand; I found myself in agreement with all but 3
points he asserted. These 3 points being related to, but outside the bounds of, Sands book; it is my
hope that readers (including Sand) will indulge themselves by reviewing the books (and the respective
pages therein) listed at the end of this article.

The observation which led to the undertaking of the research (to clarify the apparent contradictions)
arrived in the form of my surprise- to Sands emotional reaction- in the face of Irvins question regarding
the Rothschild banking family.

It often occurs that when someone is apprised of information which contradicts that which they think
they know; as a result of the cognitive dissonance which rushes in when were adverse to taking in
new information, that is when emotional reactions are given precedent over intellectual capacity to think
before taking action. It happens to all of us, at one time or another; and keeping emotional reactions in-
check by applying our intellectual capacity to learn, provides the solution.

To get to the root cause of whats being lost due to the misdirection, ad hominem attacks, and emotional
delivery of Sands claims; one must first try to understand that to which Sand is reacting, that being- the
unknown- and over come the fear through a structured process of learning, critical thinking, and
communication.

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Collecting Data:

Understanding that I do not know, and extending the benefit of the doubt to Prof. Sand; I went about
exploring, assessing, and choosing the tools through which I could raise my level of understanding.

Having over 600 volumes in my library, I invested 20 minutes of my time, during which I pulled the 17
most relevant books (and one film) published between 1862 and 2007, which illustrate that Sands
assertions are not entirely accurate; with the intention of offering my findings to aid the audience in
attaining a more-accurate, comprehensive, and objective perspective of this complex, murky, and
emotionally charged subject matter.

During this process, I continually asked myself: Would this reference/book be available to Sand, and if
so; could it assist in communicating or explaining the apparent contradictions?

Hypothesis:

By providing credible and relevant references which clarify the points of contention identified within Prof.
Sands interview; a new perspective can be realized, from which observers can reconcile the apparent
contradictions in exchange for a more comprehensive perspective.

Experiment:

By inspecting the apparent contradictions for the purpose of discovering common ground; we can
thereby discover the unity within the opposites, as a result of dissolving the illusion of their apparent
contradiction.

Sand contradicts the facts which are widely available:

1. Prof. Sand asserts that the Rothschild Banking Family had no role as world-dominating
financiers.
2. Prof. Sand asserts that the Rothschilds were not Zionists, had no influence in the Balfour
Declaration, and were not instrumental in the creation of the State of Israel.
3. Prof. Sand reacts emotionally to Irvins citations of historical references, and responds with the
term anti-Semitic in an ad hominem attack; a defense mechanism often employed as a tactic
to generate fear and intimidation, and to ward off an opponents questioning or further
investigation of assertions.

Irvin doesnt consent to the tactic, and the questioning that followed led to doing a lot of homework on
my end.

The irony which inspired me to formulate a formal response to these assertions can best be described
from these two passages excerpted from Sands book (pp. 268, 271):

The broad Israeli historiography contains a good deal of apologetics excusing the presence of
"biology" in the Zionist discourse, noting that this was a common fashion at the end of the
nineteenth and first half of the twentieth century. True, many scientific publications, as much as
daily newspapers and popular weeklies, carried articles that confounded heredity and culture,
blood and national identity. The term "race" was frequently used by anti-Semites, but it was also
used by the respectable press and in liberal and socialist circles. The Zionist thinkers and
promoters who discussed theories of blood and race, the argument goes, did not really take
them seriously, and certainly they could not have anticipated the horrific developments that
these ideas would help bring about. But this contextual historical argument, though convenient,
is far from accurate.

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 If certain Jewish communities had distinctive qualities, they were due to history, not biology.
The economic functions to which they were diverted gave rise to a specific subculture and
concomitant linguistic markers. But modernization was slowly eroding the traditional Jewish
separation and was integrating Jewish believers into the new national cultures. Thus, if the
arguments of anti-Semitism were scientifically worthless, so, too, were those of the Zionist
ideology that complemented them with similar reasoning. (emphasis added)

One can hardly blame Irvin for asking well-researched questions which are fully pertinent to the topic of
conversation; having read not only Sands book, but numerous others, in preparation for an interview of
such magnitude.

Part 2: The Transcript

Partial Transcript of Gnostic Media podcast #070 with Prof. Shlomo Sand:

Jan Irvin: What do you know about the influence of the Rothschild family, pertaining to their involvement
in the creation of World War I, the Balfour Declaration, and the subsequent creation of (the State of)
Israel?

Prof. Shlomo Sand: (un-intelligible response)

Jan Irvin: Have you found any relationship between the banking family the Rothschilds and the

Prof. Shlomo Sand: What is the Rothschilds?

Jan Irvin: The Rothschilds are a famous banking house, originally from Frankfurt Germany, that
controls much of the worlds economy today and many historians argue that the Rothschilds played a
large influence in

Prof. Shlomo Sand: I dont know about this (un-intelligible). Really, I cannot express I didnt hear
about it, I dont know what you mean exactly. I am sorry.

Jan Irvin: Basically, the Rothschild family in the 1700s I believe, began a banking house that pretty
much came to take over most of the worlds monetary

Prof. Shlomo Sand: You are speaking about the Rothschilds House?

Jan Irvin: Yes.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: The Rothschilds?

Jan Irvin: Yes.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: No. First of all, it was one, they never dominate the world bankers. They never
dominate. Its imagined, its an anti-Semitic myth. They have a lot they had a lot of influence, its true,
they have agencies in London, in Paris, in Frankfurt, but that family is a very very important family, with
a lot of money- they make a lot of money- but to compare them to the Rockefellers, for example, is um

Jan Irvin: What I was getting at is that some historians argue that the (Rothschilds) had a large
influence on England and the creation of the Balfour Declaration, which

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Prof. Shlomo Sand: No, no, I dont think that the Rothschilds were Zionists; first of all.

Jan Irvin: Hmm.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: You know, there were differences between the (Rothschild) family in Paris and the
(Rothschild) family in London. No, no, I dont think that the Rothschilds are responsible for the Balfour
Declaration in 1917. I think that its much more the interest of the British Israelism towards the end of the
first world war, and their willing to dominate the Middle East. And I think its also if you are looking for
an ideological component in the (Balfour) Declaration, I think the Protestant background of (Lord)
Balfour played much more, than the Rothschild influence. You have to know, that the Rothschilds,
basically, were not Zionists. You see, when Anselm (Rothschild) I dont remember exactly the year, in
think in 98, fixed a rendezvous with a Rothschild in Paris Rothschild (in Paris) didnt want to help him
(Amschel Rothschild in London). The Rothschilds wanted to push this wave of emigration from the
East(ern European countries) to Palestine, but not in an Zionist ideological state at all. The Rothschilds,
were not Zionists. Now, sometimes they could help other Jews, but mostly they didnt care a lot about
the Jewish people now there is in their family, one or two of them who are sympathetic with
Zionism.

Jan Irvin: Right.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: but as a family, especially the (un-intelligible) branch of this family, wasnt at all
Zionist, you have to understand, they were against Zionism.

Jan Irvin: Isnt one of the Rothschild family members on the back of the 500 shekel bill in Israel, as the
King of Israel?

Prof. Shlomo Sand: No, I didnt see it I didnt see Rothschild?

Jan Irvin: Yes

Prof. Shlomo Sand: No, no, this is an anti-Semitic legend.

Jan Irvin: Really?

Prof. Shlomo Sand: Its an anti-Semitic legend, because you have to understand that there is a street
in Tel Aviv of the name of Rothschild, and some of (unintelligible) the more and more a few of the
families are sympathetic to Zionism, but basically in the 19th Century, at the end of the 19th Century, the
Rothschild Family was against Zionism.

Jan Irvin: Huh.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: Its not the Rothschild Bank that created Israel, its the authentic movement,
nationalist movement

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Jan Irvin: Im looking at
www.BankNotes.com at world bank
notes, its a website that has images of
bank notes from all over the world; and
Im looking at one right here that shows
Rothschild on the back of the 500
Shekel bill it says Baron Rothschild,
right on the back.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: 500 shekel?

Jan Irvin: Yes.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: 500 shekel? I

never see in my life a 500 shekel.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: By the way, not all

the things on the internet are you
know?

Jan Irvin: Well, obviously, but this is

coming from the website Bank Notes dot
com its probably an uncommon
denomination I would suspect.

Prof. Shlomo Sand: Or, it is an anti-Semitic site.

Part 3: The Analysis

Finding Certainty with the Trivium Method of Thinking Critically

1. Grammar / Knowledge (Who, What, When, Where): These are the facts of the matter or
basic knowledge level. (i.e. Input)

2. Logic / Understanding (Why): The science of reasoning, understanding how the parts fit
together. (i.e. Processing of Input)

3. Rhetoric / Wisdom (How): The presentation of information in the form of communication.

(i.e. Output)

1. Grammar: Prof. Sand omits several pieces of grammar (or basic knowledge) in order to climb
out to a perspective which (at first) denied any knowledge of Rothschild involvement in Zionism,
the Balfour Declaration, and the subsequent creation of Israel.
2. Logic: When including the missing data (grammar), the contradictions in Prof. Sands
comments become apparent.
3. Rhetoric: Prof. Sand employs use of the term anti-Semite as a defense, which is on the surface
a misnomer; and in its emotional deployment in response to Irvins line of questioning, it is
leveled as a Red Herring to further obscure the Why of the situation. This failure to give a
rational meaning to the term Semite proves to play out as a use of rhetoric relying on numerous
fallacies.

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It will be left up to the reader to decide as to whether it is the purpose of Prof. Sand to obscure and
confuse the audience with regard to the three points of contention; or if it is nothing more than a
miscommunication which leads to progress. In any case, that is not the point of this examination of this
situation; we are seeking certainty pertaining to the origins of Zionism and anti-Semitism, in the hopes of
understanding the ongoing conflict in the Middle East.

The Tyranny of (Misunderstood) Words: Examining Grammar and Definition

Since the axis of controversy is Prof. Sands use of the term anti-Semitic, lets do a bit of research to
ensure we understand what a Semite is; before we go assuming we understand what its opposite, or
anti meaning is.

Semite: 1) an Arab. Source: 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica.

Thats ironic, because it seems the only group pitted against the Arabs are the Zionists; which in
point of fact would make Zionists the (most notable) of the anti-Semitic groups.

Referencing another popular book, The Holy Bible also provides what well refer to as traditional
Biblical, speculative anthropology, and therein presents us with this summary of the origin of the
Shemites, or what we today call Semites; and it goes something like this:

The 3 sons of Noah are said to have provided the racial line to repopulate the earth after the
deluge. Ham (according to The Holy Bible) peopled black Africa; Japheth, Eur-Asia; and
Shem, the nations of the Near East. The [mythical] bloodlines of Shem were developed in
North Africa and the Near East as dark complected brunettes. The post-Noahide prophet,
Abraham, is the origin of the desert monotheistic traditions, to which both the racial Hebrews
and Arabs trace their lineage. Using strict term definition - these, and only these people, are
the descendants of Shem, today referred to as the Semites.

To quote Sand: Thus, if the arguments of anti-Semitism were scientifically worthless, so, too,
were those of the Zionist ideology that complemented them with similar reasoning.

Therefore: Starting in 1862 with Hesss work in collaboration with the Rothschild family, the
claims made regarding the future re-establishment of a Zionist homeland (using the territory of
Palestine as the new Israel); appear now in full light to be yet another ploy of misdirection.
Examination of this article demonstrates that the language used in the sophisticated rhetoric, which is
embedded throughout the myriad of arguments for the creation of Israel; is fraught with inconsistency
and devoid of logic, reason, or rational thought.

No wonder theres such a long history of conflict over this topic; and it seems now, that none of it was
truly necessary- or justifiable.

Lastly, in view of the inconsistency in definition, grammar, and logic with respect to the basic tenets of
Zionism (and anti-Semitism); it is clear that the Zionist use of traditional Biblical, speculative
anthropology has been employed as a technique of rhetoric and misdirection, to justify Zionist actions in
the occupation of Palestine.

"You never change things by fighting the existing reality. To change something, build a new
model that makes the existing model obsolete."
Richard Buckminster Fuller

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My Argument disputing Prof. Sands assertions made with reference to the
Rothschild family:

Re. 1: The Rothschild Banking family has been a major influence in world finance for over
200 years.

The nature of this assertion is so vast and deep that it would not be in anyones best interest for
me to attempt to pull a single quote or passage to illustrate this point; so I have decided to
include the books which discuss this fact of history. The pages within each book pertaining to
the aforementioned assertion are listed in full under the References section of this article.

The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question by
Moses Hess, 1862; Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117; Zionism, Origins of,
p. 95, 112-117; Rothschild, role in Zionism and Colonization of Palestine, p. 173-174

The House of Rothschild, 1934 Feature Film (nominated for an Oscar)

1911 Encyclopedia Britannica entry on Rothschild

The House of Rothschild Volume 2: The Worlds Banker 1849-1999, by Niall

Ferguson, 1998; Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95, 397,
412, 430, 443, 451-453; Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453; Palestine, p. 27, 279-282,
445, 473-474; Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489

The House of Rothschild Volume 1: Moneys Prophets 1798-1848, by Niall

Ferguson, 1998; Hess, Michael, p. 75; Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285; Warburg,
Paul, p. 26; Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398

The Warburgs by Ron Chernow, 1993; Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527;
Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480; Rothschild, Baron Alfred de, p. 32, 38;
Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450; Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100,
350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 326, 466; Rothschild,
Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526; Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91; Rothschild,
Eliede, p. 526; Rothschild, Eric, p. 526; Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10; Rothschild,
Walter, p. 219, 40, 326, 338, 342, 601; Rothschild, Willy, p. 10; Rothschild, Nathan
Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694; Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100,
412, 413, 437, 545, 645

The House of Morgan by Ron Chernow, 1990; Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114;
Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682; Rothschild, James de, p. 5; Rothschild, Lionel, p.
25; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684;
Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637

Memoirs, by David Rockefeller, 2002; Rothschild, Evelyn de, p. 207

The Panic of 1907: Lessons Learned from the Markets Perfect Storm, by Robert
Bruner and Sean Carr, 2007; Morgan, J. Pierpont, p. 106; Rothschild, Lord (tribute) p.
106; see Morgan; Warburg, Paul, p. 145

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, by Prof. Carroll Quigley,
1966; Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133, 135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517,
520, 525-528, 539; Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also Israel

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 Trilaterals over Washington, by Antony C. Sutton, 1978; Rothschild, Baron Edmund
de, p. 141, 162

With No Apologies: The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator
Barry M. Goldwater, 1979; Rothschild, Anselm, p. 282

Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Faith, by Dr. James H.
Billington, 1980; Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303; Hess, Moses, p. 265; Zionism, p. 263,
334, 445-446; antecedents of 162

The Anglo-American Establishment, by Carroll Quigley, 1981; Balfour, Arthur J., p.

7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230; Balfour Declaration
of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172; Palestine, p. 5, 169-176; Rothschild, Lord, p. 34, 37, 38, 40,
45, 48, 109, 110, 135; Rothschild and Sons, p. 190; Zionism, p. 170, 171-173

Americas Secret Establishment, by Antony C. Sutton, 1983: Rothschild, Lord, p. 23

The Lost Science of Money, by Stephen Zarlenga, 2002; Rothschild, Alfred de, p.
501; Rothschild, James, p. 487, 498

Re: 2. The Rothschilds created Zionism, were influential in the Balfour Declaration, and
incited the creation of Israel.

Ibid.
1911 Encyclopedia Britannica entry on Zionism

The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question, by
Moses Hess, 1862; Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117
Zionism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117; Rothschild, Role in Zionism and Colonization of
Palestine, p. 173-174

The House of Rothschild Volume 1: Moneys Prophets 1798-1848, by Niall

Ferguson, 1998; Hess, Michael, p. 75; Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285; Warburg,
Paul, p. 26; Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398

The House of Rothschild Volume 2: The Worlds Banker 1849-1999, by Niall

Ferguson, 1998; Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95,
397, 412, 430, 443, 451-453; Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453; Palestine, p. 27, 279-
282, 445, 473-474; Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489

The Warburgs, by Ron Chernow, 1993; Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527;
Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480; Rothschild, Baron Alfred de, p. 32, 38;
Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450; Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100,
350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 326, 466; Rothschild,
Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526; Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91; Rothschild,
Eliede, p. 526; Rothschild, Eric, p. 526; Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10; Rothschild,
Walter, p. 219, 40, 326, 338, 342, 601; Rothschild, Willy, p. 10; Rothschild, Nathan
Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694; Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100,
412, 413, 437, 545, 645; Palestine, p. 101, 122, 247-253, 292-293, 296-305, 421, 518,
602; World War I and, p. 163, 165; Balfour Declaration and, p. 204-247, 300, 303;
Jewish Immigration to, p. 247, 299, 303, 389, 400, 422, 436-437, 448-455, 465, 477,
604

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 The House of Morgan, by Ron Chernow, 1990; Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114;
Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682; Rothschild, James de, p. 5; Rothschild, Lionel, p.
25; Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433; Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684;
Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637, gold standard
and, 75-76; government loans of, 25, 26, 40; insignia of, 19-20; intelligence information
of, 21; miscalculating Americas importance, 40

Facts are Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, 1954; Balfour Declaration, p. X, XI, 94-99;
Baruch, Bernard, p. X, XI, 87-90; Palestine, p. X, XI, 85-101; Paris Peace Conference,
p. X, XI, 94-101; Rothschild, Involvement in Zionism, p. 112-117; Rothschild,
Involvement in Balfour Declaration, p. 112-115; Rothschild, Involvement in creation of
Israel, p. 112-117; Warburg, p. XI, 87, 99; Zionism, p. X, XI, 85-116

Tragedy & Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, by Carroll Quigley, 1966;
Balfour, Arthur, p. 131, 148, 269, 474, 475, 481; Balfour Declaration (on Zionism), p.
148, 246-247; Palestine, p. 114; Conquest by Britain, 233, 240; Balfour Declaration,
246-247; Zionism, British, and Arabs, 1064-1066; see also Israel; Rhodes, Cecil, p. 39,
130-132, 133, 135-137, 143, 148, 151; Rhodes Scholarships (Rhodes Trust), p. 131,
139, 149, 152, 581-583, 950, 951, 953; Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133,
135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517, 520, 525-528, 539; Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also
Israel

Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Faith, by Dr. James H.
Billington, 1980; Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303; Hess, Moses, p. 265; Zionism, p. 263,
334, 445-446; antecedents of 162

The Anglo-American Establishment, by Professor Carroll Quigley, 1981; Balfour,

Arthur J., p. 7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230; Balfour
Declaration of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172; Palestine, p. 5, 169-176; Rhodes, Cecil, p. 3, 4,
12, 33, 64, 84, 127, 129, 237; wills, 33-35, 36-37, 38, 43; See also: Rhodes
Scholarships, Rhodes Trust; Rhodes secret society, p. 3-4, 5, 33-50; Rothschild, Lord,
p. 34, 37, 38, 40, 45, 48, 109, 110, 135; Rothschild and Sons, p. 190; Zionism, p. 170,
171-173

Paris 1919, by Margaret MacMillan, 2003; Balfour, Arthur, p. 10, 29, 46, 63, 68, 69,
150, 290, 330, 394, 438, 474; on Arab territories, 385, 393, 398, 400, 405; Zionist
commitment of, 410, 413, 414-418, 421-426; Balfour Declaration (1917), p. 388, 416-
424; Herzl, Theodore, p. 412, 420; Milner, Lord Alfred, p. 105, 393, 469, 486-487, 493;
Palestine, p. 410-426; Arab claims to, 390, 409, 420-426; British control of, p. 381-384,
409, 417, 423, 424; as Jewish homeland, 382, 388, 390, 409-426; Rhodes, Cecil, p.
363, 427; Rothschild, Lord Lionel Walter, p. 413, 416; Zionism, p. xxvviii, 233, 381, 410-
426; Arab resistance to, 390, 409, 420-422, 423, 424-426; British support of, 413-417,
418, 421-425; development of, 411-413; Peace Conference Presentations on, 410-411,
417-421

The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Political
and Economic Decline of The United States of America, by Dr. John Coleman,
2005; Rothschilds, p. VII, IX, 4, 7, 66, 125, 196

Re: 3. Prof. Sands emotional response and use of an ad hominem attack involving the
incendiary term anti-Semitic is not indicative of what can be referred to as valid or
accurate; rather it is the use of rhetoric to misdirect, intimidate, or otherwise dissuade
conversation further on this matter. Provably, Sands comments (according to the interview

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 and the transcript provided above) are in error; and instead of just saying wow, I didnt know
that lets explore together and see where this goes, or the equivalent in colloquial Hebrew,
he reacted with emotion, instead of employing use of intellectual capacity to learn.

My Counter-Argument defending Prof. Sands assertions:

Re: 1. I cannot defend this assertion without being asked to forget valid facts.
Re: 2. I can see the possibility of Prof. Sands assertion (that the Rothschilds were not
Zionists) as being factual IF: we can both agree on the history that the Rothschilds were
intimately involved in A) the creation of Reformed Judaism, B) the creation of Zionism, and thus
as a consequence, C) the creation of anti-Zionism or anti-Semitism; being that the Rothschilds
continually worked with Arab factions (as contended by Sand) as well as funding aspects of the
Bolshevik Revolution and Nazi Germany. Being that the Rothschilds were instrumental in the
creation of Zionism, which thereby provoked anti-Semitism; I could see how Sand regards them
as "non-Zionist".
Re: 3. I can overlook Sands emotional reaction, as I myself have reacted to (not knowing) in
an emotional way; and in the past I too might have relied on a fallacy, misnomer, or misdirection
as a way to protect my ego.

Conclusion
From a traditional perspective of the facts available, on the surface, it appears that Prof. Sand is in error-
or at least severely underestimating- the gravamen of the Rothschild family in history, specifically the
role they have played in the creation of Israel.

From a critical thinking perspective, Sand has identified a yet-to-be named group of international
financiers; who themselves do not follow any of the major religions, nor adhere to the moral standards of
the masses- but rather pursues endless greed -- A group which concocts myths and creates
nationalist movements like Zionism (but are not Zionists themselves), only to then manipulate
and provoke the equal and opposite reaction- that being anti-Semitism- in order to achieve the
synthesis provided by putting the thesis in conflict with the anti-thesis.

We might consider defining a name for the group which worships greed, and is truly responsible for
creating so much misdirection and chaos; now that Sand has provided the opportunity wherein we can
teach ourselves to learn our way out of the proverbial wilderness.

Lacking this nomenclature, we are left unable to name that which we are trying to describe, and in
naming it, we take the first step toward overcoming our fear of the unknown and learning to understand
as a way of life.

About the Author: Richard Grove is a former Wall Street Whistleblower, long-time Artist, and current
Editor of Tragedy and Hope Magazine. You can find his contact information here, and screen his latest
film here.

Re: Defining Peace:

Martin Luther King, Jr.: One day we must come to see that peace is not
merely a distant goal we seek, but that it is a means by which we arrive at
that goal. We must pursue peaceful ends through peaceful means.

R. Buckminster Fuller: Either war is obsolete or men are.

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 Moshe Dayan: If you want to make peace, you don't talk to your friends. You
talk to your enemies.

Indira Gandhi: You can't shake hands with a clenched fist.

References and Recommendations for Reading:

The House of Morgan, by Ron Chernow, 1990

Bio Note: Ron Chernow is an American biographer. He is the author of Alexander

Hamilton, The House of Morgan, and Titan: The Life of John D. Rockefeller, Sr.,
among other works. Chernow graduated with honors from Yale University and Cambridge
University with degrees in English literature. He then began a career as a freelance
journalist. From 1973 to 1982, he published more than 60 articles in national publications.

Rothschild, Baron Henri, p. 114

Rothschild, Jacob, p. 574, 677, 682
Rothschild, James de, p. 5
Rothschild, Lionel, p. 25
Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 433
Rothschild, Nathan Mayer, p. 519, 680, 684
Rothschild, House of, p. 3, 5, 13, 36, 90, 99, 236, 304, 328, 472, 637, gold standard and,
75-76; government loans of, 25, 26, 40; insignia of, 19-20; intelligence information of, 21;
miscalculating Americas importance, 40

The Warburgs, by Ron Chernow, 1993

The Twentieth-Century Odyssey of a Remarkable Jewish Family

Rothschild, Alan de, p. 472, 526-527

Rothschild, Anthony de, p. 326, 479-480
Rothschild, Baron Alfred de, p. 32, 38
Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 247, 252, 450
Rothschild, Baron Lionel de, p. 100, 350, 389, 412, 436, 480, 526
Rothschild, Baron Louis von, p. 326, 466
Rothschild, Baron Robert de, p. 489-490, 525-526
Rothschild, Carola Warburg, p. 91
Rothschild, Eliede, p. 526
Rothschild, Eric, p. 526
Rothschild, Meier Carl, p. 10
Rothschild, Walter, p. 219, 240, 326, 338, 342, 601
Rothschild, Willy, p. 10
Rothschild, Nathan Mayer & Sons, p. 38, 350, 358, 413, 550, 584, 694
Rothschild, Family, p. 10, 38, 100, 412, 413, 437, 545, 645
Palestine, p. 101, 122, 247-253, 292-293, 296-305, 421, 518, 602
World War I and, p. 163, 165
Balfour Declaration and, p. 204-247, 300, 303
Jewish Immigration to, p. 247, 299, 303, 389, 400, 422, 436-437, 448-455, 465, 477, 604

The House of Rothschild Volume 1: Moneys Prophets 1798-1848, by Niall Ferguson 1998

(From the Cover: National Jewish Book Awards Finalist by the Jewish Book Council; One of
Business Weeks Ten Best Books of the Year; Rich and Compelling a Feast The Wall Street
Journal)

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 Bio Note: Niall Ferguson is a British historian who specializes in financial and economic
history as well as the history of colonialism. He is the Laurence A. Tisch Professor of
History at Harvard University[2] and the William Ziegler Professor of Business
Administration at Harvard Business School. He was educated at the private Glasgow
Academy in Scotland, and at Magdalen College, Oxford.

Hess, Michael, p. 75
Warburg, Banking Family, p. 26, 285
Warburg, Paul, p. 26
Zionists, Zionism, p. 22, 26, 398

The House of Rothschild Volume 2: The Worlds Banker 1849-1999, by Niall Ferguson, 1998

(From the Cover: A New York Times Notable Book; A stupendous achievement, a triumph of
historical research and imagination. No serious historian can write about politics, diplomacy, and
economics of the 19th century in the same way. Robert Skidelsky, The New York Review of
Books)

Balfour, Arthur, p. 319, 327, 329, 350, 366, 371-372, 388, 391-95, 397, 412, 430, 443,
451-453
Balfour, Declaration, p. 449-453
Palestine, p. 27, 279-282, 445, 473-474
Zionism, p. 280-283, 449-453, 474, 489

Memoirs, by David Rockefeller, 2002

Bio Note: David Rockefeller studied under John Dewey at Columbia University before
graduating cum laude from Harvard University, doing his senior thesis on Fabian
socialism. He did a postgraduate year in economics at Harvard and then a year at the
London School of Economics, which had strong links to the family through his father and
the family-run Rockefeller Foundation.

Rothschild, Evelyn de, p. 207

Rothschild Group of Banks, p. 207-208, 212

Fire in the Minds of Men: The Origins of Revolutionary Faith, by Dr. James H. Billington,
1980

Bio Note: Dr. James H. Billington received his doctorate as a Rhodes Scholar at
Oxford, and taught history for seventeen years at Harvard and Princeton Universities. Dr.
Billington was sworn in as the Librarian of Congress on September 14, 1987. He is the
13th person to hold the position since the Library of Congress was established in 1800.

Hegel, Hegelians, p. 224-303

Hess, Moses, p. 265
Zionism, p. 263, 334, 445-446; antecedents of 162

The Anglo-American Establishment, by Prof. Carroll Quigley, 1981

Bio Note: Carroll Quigley (1910-1977) was a highly respected professor at the School
of Foreign Service at Georgetown University; subsequent to his years spent teaching at
Harvard and Princeton universities.

Balfour, Arthur J., p. 7, 16, 17-18, 20, 27, 29, 31, 38, 41, 48, 51, 58, 142, 186, 227, 230

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 Balfour Declaration of 1917, p. 159, 169, 172
Palestine, p. 5, 169-176
Rhodes, Cecil, p. 3, 4, 12, 33, 64, 84, 127, 129, 237; wills, 33-35, 36-37, 38, 43; See
also: Rhodes Scholarships, Rhodes Trust
Rhodes secret society, p. 3-4, 5, 33-50
Rothschild, Lord, p. 34, 37, 38, 40, 45, 48, 109, 110, 135
Rothschild and Sons, p. 190
Zionism, p. 170, 171-173

Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, by Prof. Carroll Quigley, 1966

Balfour, Arthur, p. 131, 148, 269, 474, 475, 481

Balfour Declaration (on Zionism), p. 148, 246-247
Palestine, p. 114; Conquest by Britain, 233, 240; Balfour Declaration, 246-247; Zionism,
British, and Arabs, 1064-1066; see also Israel
Rhodes, Cecil, p. 39, 130-132, 133, 135-137, 143, 148, 151
Rhodes Scholarships (Rhodes Trust), p. 131, 139, 149, 152, 581-583, 950, 951, 953
Rothschild family, p. 51, 56, 60, 130-131, 133, 135, 215, 246, 311, 500, 516-517, 520,
525-528, 539
Zionism, p. 1064-1066; see also Israel

Paris 1919, by Margaret MacMillan, 2003

Bio Note: Margaret MacMillan is a historian and professor at the University of Oxford,
where she is Warden of St. Antony's College. She is former provost of Trinity College and
professor of history at the University of Toronto and previously, at Ryerson University. A
leading expert on history and international relations, MacMillan is a frequent commentator
in the media. Her maternal grandmother, Olwen Elizabeth Lloyd George, was a daughter
of David Lloyd George, Prime Minister of the United Kingdom and his first wife Margaret
Owen.

Balfour, Arthur, p. 10, 29, 46, 63, 68, 69, 150, 290, 330, 394, 438, 474; on Arab
territories, 385, 393, 398, 400, 405; Zionist commitment of, 410, 413, 414-418, 421-426
Balfour Declaration (1917), p. 388, 416-424
Herzl, Theodore, p. 412, 420
Milner, Lord Alfred, p. 105, 393, 469, 486-487, 493
Palestine, p. 410-426; Arab claims to, 390, 409, 420-426; British control of, p. 381-384,
409, 417, 423, 424; as Jewish homeland, 382, 388, 390, 409-426
Rhodes, Cecil, p. 363, 427
Rothschild, Lord Lionel Walter, p. 413, 416
Zionism, p. xxvviii, 233, 381, 410-426; Arab resistance to, 390, 409, 420-422, 423, 424-
426; British support of, 413-417, 418, 421-425; development of, 411-413; Peace
Conference Presentations on, 410-411, 417-421

The Revival of Israel: Rome and Jerusalem, the Last Nationalist Question, by Moses Hess
1862

From the Back Cover: Important, as the first book to give theoretical expression to Zionism, The
Revival of Israel was originally published in 1862; laying the foundations of Zionism that Theodore
Herzl, founder of the political Zionist movement, would popularize four decades later.

Bio Note: Moses Hess originally advocated Jewish integration into the universalist
socialist movement, and was a friend and collaborator of Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels.
He was an early proponent of socialism, and a precursor to what would later be called
Zionism. Hess converted Engels to Communism, and introduced Marx to social and

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 economic problems. He played an important role in transforming Hegelian dialectical
idealism theory of history to the dialectical materialism of Marxism, by conceiving of man
as the initiator of history through his active consciousness. Wladimir Ze'ev Jabotinsky
honored Hess in The Jewish Legion in World War as one of those people that made the
Balfour declaration possible, together with Herzl, Rothschild and Pinsker.

Reformed Judaism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117

Zionism, Origins of, p. 95, 112-117
Rothschild, Role in Zionism and Colonization of Palestine, p. 173-174

With No Apologies: The Personal and Political Memoirs of United States Senator Barry M.
Goldwater, 1979

Bio Note: Senator Barry Goldwater was a five-term Senator from the state of Arizona,
who worked closely with Nelson Rockefeller and later disclosed the fraud ongoing, as
described in chapter 33 of his memoirs; The Non Elected Rulers.

Rothschild, Anselm, p. 282

The Lost Science of Money, by Stephen Zarlenga, 2002

Rothschild, Alfred de, p. 501

Rothschild, James, p. 487, 498

The House of Rothschild 1934 (Feature Film)

Bio Note: The House of Rothschild was presented by 20th Century Fox and nominated
for an Oscar; illustrates the history of the Rothschild Banking Family dominating world
economics and being the first to make loans to nations.

Facts are Facts, by Benjamin H. Freedman, 1954

Bio Note: Benjamin H. Freedman was a Jewish businessman from New York City who
was for many years a Zionist and so were some of his closest colleagues, including
Bernard Baruch, Samuel Untermeyer, and Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis.
Benjamin Freedman was also present at the Versailles Peace Conference, and his book
is a testimony to what he witnessed there.

Balfour Declaration, p. X, XI, 94-99

Baruch, Bernard, p. X, XI, 87-90
Palestine, p. X, XI, 85-101
Paris Peace Conference, p. X, XI, 94-101
Rothschild, Involvement in Zionism, p. 112-117
Rothschild, Involvement in Balfour Declaration, p. 112-115
Rothschild, Involvement in creation of Israel, p. 112-117
Warburg, p. XI, 87, 99
Zionism, p. X, XI, 85-116

Trilaterals over Washington, by Antony C. Sutton, 1978

Bio Note: Antony C. Sutton studied at the universities of London, Goettingen and
California and received his D.Sc. degree from University of Southampton, England. He
was an economics professor at California State University Los Angeles and a
research fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution from 1968 to 1973. During
his time at the Hoover Institute he wrote the major study Western Technology and Soviet
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 Economic Development (in three volumes), detailing how the West played a major role in
developing Soviet Union from its very beginnings up until the present time (1970). In
1973 he published a popularized, condensed version of the three volumes called National
Suicide: Military Aid to the Soviet Union, and was thereby forced out of the Hoover
Institution.

Sutton's next three major published books Wall Street and the Bolshevik Revolution, Wall
Street and the Rise of Hitler and Wall Street and FDR detailed Wall Street's involvement
in the Russian Revolution as well as its decisive contributions to the rise of Adolf Hitler
and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. His books became classics in the study of covert politics
and economics in the twentieth century. In Sutton's own words he was "persecuted but
never prosecuted" for his research and subsequent publication of his findings.

Rothschild, Baron Edmund de, p. 141, 162

Americas Secret Establishment, by Antony C. Sutton, 1983

Rothschild, Lord, p. 23

The Tavistock Institute of Human Relations: Shaping the Moral, Spiritual, Political and
Economic Decline of The United States of America, by Dr. John Coleman, 2005

Rothschilds, p. VII, IX, 4, 7, 66, 125, 196

The Panic of 1907: Lessons Learned from the Markets Perfect Storm, by Robert Bruner and
Sean Carr, 2007

Morgan, J. Pierpont, p. 106

Rothschild, Lord (tribute) p. 106; see Morgan
Warburg, Paul, p. 145

Last but not least, this reference was submitted by Jan Irvin moments after publication of this
article, received via email from someone who had already listened to the interview:

NILES' WEEKLY REGISTER, from Baltimore, Maryland, dated November 28, 1829

"There is a report that the Rothschilds have purchased Jerusalem. We see nothing
improbable that, in the pecuniary distress of the sultan, he should sale some part of his
dominions to preserve the rest; or that the Rothschilds should purchase the ancient
capital of their home land. They are wealthy beyond the desire, even of avarice; and so
situated, it is quit reasonable to suppose that they may seek something else to gratify
their ambition that shall produce most important effects. If secured in the position, (and
may be brought about by money), they might instantly, as it were, gather a large nation
together, soon to become capable of defending its self, and having a wonderful influence
over the commerce condition of the east--rendering again Judea deposite of wealth of the
"ancient world." To the sultan, the country is of no great value; but in the hands of the
Jews, directed by such men as the Rothschilds, what might it not become, and in a short
period of time?

The sultan is in great difficulty--Baron Rothschild was proceeding to Constantinople; and

a second re-building of the temple is not among the most strange expected in these
strange times, by some of the Jews."

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Trivium References:
One possible path of learning I would like to bring to your attention is the Trivium Method of
Thinking, which has also been referred to as the Lost Tools of Learning. This is why we like to
use the Trivium Method here at Tragedy and Hope:

In short, the Trivium is a method of critical and creative thinking that was utilized by intellectuals
throughout human history to discern truth from fallacies; organizing grammar, logic, and rhetoric
to cogently and effectively communicate ideas to others.

The Trivium Method of Thinking was systematically removed from our education in the last
century to effectively dumb down the vast majority of people; thereby creating super-consumers,
who react emotionally, capitulate to so-called authority figures, are pretty much incapable of
independent thought, analysis, and constructive communication.

Special thanks goes out to Gene Odening, recent guest on the Gnostic Media Podcast; and the
messenger who delivered the Trivium Method of Thinking back to some people who choose to
use it to express- rather than suppress- consciousness.

Gnostic Media podcast 049 as well as episodes 050, 062, 063, 068, 069

Zionism / anti-Semitism References:

Gnostic Media podcast 054: Against Zionism Rabbi Ysrael David Weiss

What is truth and what is propaganda? Tonight we'll be discussing what is probably the
single most controversial subject in the world today: Zionism. What is Zionism, and why is
it important to understand? Is anti-Zionism related to anti-Semitism? Are Zionists
attempting a world takeover, or is it just "good business"? Does the state of Israel have
the right to exist? What are the local and global consequences of Zionism? What is the
real purpose behind groups like the ADL? Are all Jews Zionist, and do all Jews support
Israel? And what is AIPAC? This is the other side of the story that you won't hear on the
mainstream news, or for that matter, just about anyplace else.

In the name of free speech and stirring controversy and thinking outside the box, my
guest is Rabbi Yisrel Dovid Weiss from Neturei Karta here to discuss Zionism and the
end of Israel. Rabbi Weiss is the man who gave President Ahmadinejad of Iran an award
for NOT being a racist and for understanding the real dangers of Zionism. This is an
interview that counters everything we've been told about Israel and Zionism, and Iran in
the mainstream media.

So lay your emotional arguments aside and put on your thinking caps because I've got
one heck of a show for you - and please, leave your prejudices at the door.

http://www.nkusa.org

Defamation (feature film), Yoav Shamir

What is Antisemitism today, two generations after the Holocaust? In his continuing
exploration of modern Israeli life, director Yoav Shamir travels the world in search of the
most modern manifestations of the oldest hatred, and comes up with some startling
answers.

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 In this irreverent quest, he follows American Jewish leaders to the capitals of Europe, as
they warn government officials of the growing threat of anti-Semitism, and he tacks on to
a class of Israeli high school students on a pilgrimage to Auschwitz. On his way, Shamir
meets controversial historian, Norman Finkelstein, who offers his unpopular views on the
manner that anti-Semitism is being used by the Jewish community and especially Israel
for political gain.

He also joins scholars, Stephen M. Walt and John J. Mearsheimer, while they give a
lecture in Israel following the release of their book The Israel Lobby and U.S. Foreign
Policy, about the disproportional influence the Israel lobby in Washington enjoys. Yoav
visits Yad Vashem, the Holocaust memorial museum in Jerusalem, the must stop for all
world leaders on their visits to Israel. While in Jerusalem, he drops by the house of his
grandmother that offers her insight on the issue and declares that she is the real Jew.

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