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Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D. The Basic Elements of Voice Dialogue

The Basic Elements of Voice Dialogue,


Relationship, and the Psychology of Selves
their origins and development
by Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D.
Table of Contents
3 introduction
The Earliest Influences

8 the first element


Voice Dialogue as a Methodology:
The Beginning of the Joint Adventure

10 the second element


The Psychology of Selves:
The Beginnings of Theory

12 the third element


The Consciousness Model:
A New Definition of Consciousness

13 the fourth element


The Theory of Bonding Patterns:
The Selves and Relationship

16 the fifth element


The Psychology of the Aware Ego:
An Energetically Based Psycho-Spiritual Approach to Consciousness

21 the sixth element


The Energetics of Relationship:
Learning to Play Your Own Instrument

25 the seventh element


Partnering:
Using Relationship as Teacher, Healer, and Guide

28 the eighth element


Dreams, Daydreams and the Intelligence of the Unconscious:
Accessing the Inner Teacher
3 The Basic Elements of Voice Dialogue

The Basic Elements of Voice Dialogue,


Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D.

Relationship, and the Psychology of Selves


their origins and development
by Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D.

The story changes depending upon who tells ments of sudden clarity that seem to be gifts
it. And, as the journey goes on, we view our from sources outside of our personal experience.
lives from different vantage points and through All these are digested by each of us, providing
different eyes as we integrate more and more us with the raw material from which we create.
selves. What seemed important at one time When an idea or a concept emerges, we are
seems less important later. What seemed less never quite sure of where it comes from.
important can assume greater importance as In the past, peoples first reactions to Voice
time goes on. Dialogue were usually: Thats a Gestalt tech-
At this point in our livesour 70th and nique or Its psychosynthesis. Interestingly
80th yearswe have decided that it is time to enough, Hals actual work in Gestalt started
look back and to tell the story of the origins only after Voice Dialogue was definitively
and development of Voice Dialogue and the established in our lives and although Sidra had
Psychology of Selves the way we see it. We wish some contact with very early Gestalt work,
to honor those we know have directly contrib- her experience of it was extremely limited. As
uted to our work, to clarify some misconcep- for psycho-synthesis, we were both fascinated
tions that are common, and to tellto the best with its use of imagery, but neither of us had
of our abilitythe stories of those moments delved deeply enough into it to know about its
when some new element was added or our concepts of the different selves. Nor were we
thinking has changed. particularly influenced by psychodrama or TA,
Let us begin with our view of the creative having only a passing acquaintance with both of
process. We find that outer and inner influ- these through the popular press.
ences blend indistinguishably. We have lived We have always honored these various ap-
rich, complexand jointly examinedlives. proaches as having some relationship to Voice
From the outer world, there have been teachers Dialogue since they were clearly a part of the
and information from many disparate sources. general psychological culture in the early 70s.
We have had many powerful experiences with At the same time, we recognized that our own
others, both professional and personal. From creative process was based upon a very differ-
the world within, we have had our individual ent, and unique, set of experiences. The roots
dreams, transpersonal experiences, and mo- of our work go far deeper than our exposure to

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these newer schools of thought. We came from understanding of dreams, myths, fairytales, and
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two contrasting, one might even say conflicting, depth psychology. On the other hand I knew
backgrounds. that something was missing. I didnt feel like
a grownup. I go into these matters in greater
detail in the 5 CD series I made last year. The
outcome of all this was that I left the Jungian
communityand the traditional practice of
analytical psychology in 1970. This was two
years before Sidra and I met. My experience
of all of this was the end of my personal and
professional life as I had known it and the
beginning of a new life that was as yet totally
undefined and unknown to me.
Though I found it necessary to separate from
the professional organization in 1970, I realize
now that I would have had to separate from any-
thing that I was a part of. I needed to float free
and not be tied to any kind of outer professional
form. Only in this way could I begin to move
into an entirely new kind of creative process that
has led me to where I am today. I shall be eter-
nally grateful for the remarkable opportunity
I had to discover Jungian Psychology, to the
colleagues I had, to the clients I worked with
Hal & Sidra in the Early Years:
Treasure Hunting in the Bahamas 1978
and to the innovative spirit of Jung himself.
From my very first analytic session my un-
conscious opened and with it the life of spirit
and a most remarkable dream process that
The Earliest Influences has always helped to maintain some kind of
Hals Experiences objective clarity. From that first session I had
I was trained as a Jungian analyst, eventu- come home to the symbolic life of spirit and I
ally becoming the president of the Society was able to separate from the arid desert of my
for Analytical Psychology in Los Angeles in rational mind.
1968. I studied at the Jung Institute for several My first encounter with Voice Dialogue, or
months in 1957 and actually had the opportu- the idea of talking to selves, came some time
nity to meet with Jung himself for an individual in the late sixties. The story I am about to tell
session. These experiences went deep into my you is not about Voice Dialogue directly. It
being and have, to some extent, informed my is concerned about a clinical experience that
work throughout my life. led me to a different place professionally and
My experiences with the Jungian community that is intertwined in my mind with the early
and my early training gave me the gifts of a deep origins of the work.

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In the late sixties a couple came to see me in riencing a huge conflict because my experience
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regard to their son who we will call Jimmie. The of him was very different. It was very positive.
couple lived in Southern California and their I liked him very much and I thought he had a
son had spent the past year at a special residen- wonderful spirit. On the other hand, I had these
tial treatment center on the east coast for acting reports from a very fine school and very quali-
out or disturbed children. In particular Jimmie fied health care practitioners all making the same
was acting out in school and it was felt that he diagnosis of schizophrenia.
couldnt function in a regular academic setting. Jimmie was easy to talk to and he told
Jimmie was eleven years of age when his par- me about his school and about its philoso-
ents first came to me and they were very upset. phy. Basically, their management style was to
They had just received a letter from the school never let children be alone but to always keep
informing them that they had done a complete them busy doing things. It was felt that being
psychological evaluation on the boy because of alone allowed them to collapse into their own
his disturbed behavior, that he was being di- imagination and fantasy and that this would
agnosed as schizophrenic and that they were be damaging to them. It was becoming clear to
strongly recommending he be placed in a special me that Jimmie was a very imaginative young-
setting run by a psychoanalytic group in the area. ster and that the school routine might not
Since they felt that he was schizophrenic they have been the best kind of experience for him.
felt that he needed a special facility for this level In the course of our discussion I asked Jim-
of mental impairment. mie if he ever remembered any dreams. He told
The parents had moved out West the year me that he had one just last evening. This was
before and they were looking forward to his the dream:
joining them in their new home. They were I am sitting in a wheelchair in the lobby of my
very upset by this letter and their ques- school. My parents are visiting me before they go
tion was whether I could help them in this back to California. I am crying and begging them
situation. I told them I would be willing not to go. They feel they have no choice however and
to see Jimmie if they brought him to L.A. they get up to leave and I wake up sobbing that they
and I would do an independent evaluation. are leaving me here.
I would need all of the medical records that The dream was totally stunning to me. He
were available before I saw him. I couldnt was in a wheel chair. Why was he there? Did
promise them more than that. this mean that he was indeed crippled in the way
Two to three weeks later Jimmie walked into the reports on him indicated was the case? Why
my office. He was a very curious child, interested else would he be in the wheel chair? Yet every in-
in everything he saw. On my desk I had a pile of stinct in me felt a core of health in him that was
psychological and psychiatric reports four or five incompatible with the diagnosis.
inches high containing notes, test materials and I asked him to close his eyes and go back into
psychiatric evaluations. All of them concurred in the dream and be in the wheel chair. He did this
the diagnosis of schizophrenia. They described easily, just as I expected, and after a half-minute
how what had begun as acting out behavior had, or so I asked him why he was in the wheel chair.
over the past year, developed into an increasingly What was wrong with him? Could he tell me
disturbed state. As I sat with Jimmie I was expe- anything about how he felt sitting there?

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Jimmie then said a remarkable thing to me. It was a month later that I received a call
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What I feel is that there is a magnet in the from Dr. Hedda Bolgar from Mt. Sinai hospital.
back of the wheel chair and that this magnet is Hedda was a lovely woman, a gifted therapist
holding me in the chair. I said before that I was and analyst; she was the director of psychology
stunned when I heard his dream. Hearing his at Mt. Sinai hospital in Los Angeles. Hedda was
response to my questioning was being stunned also affiliated with the psychoanalytic group that
to tenth power. Suddenly it was all so simple. was in charge of the school that Jimmie attend-
Everything made sense and the excitement I had ed. Apparently they were very upset because Jim-
been feeling began to lessen and I really felt very mie was now in public school and they couldnt
happy with things. imagine how this could happen. They contacted
I realized then that Jimmie was a highly Hedda and asked her to talk with me and find
creative, highly gifted, highly imaginative child out what had happened. I told her that it was a
who had been misplaced in this school. Im sure long story and maybe it was best for us to meet
the theory worked for many of their children, in person over lunch and I would share with her
but for a youngster like this one it was totally what had happened.
counter-productive. He was a magical child and Hedda has always been a remarkable woman.
the world of imagination was essential to him. She has always been open to new ideas and
It had literally driven him into schizophrenic new possibilities. When we met and I gave her
behavior because he had nowhere else to go. It the whole background on what had happened
was an artificially induced state and this I felt with Jimmie, she really understood what had
could be changed. happened at a very deep level. Shortly after our
I then said to him that if he was being held meeting, she called and invited me to become a
in the chair by this magnet it seemed to me that consultant to the department of psychology at
he could do something to break the power of the Mt. Sinai and then to become a consultant to
magnet. We did this together. First he broke the the department of psychiatry, also at Mt. Sinai.
power in his imagination and then he actually This was the beginning of a wonderful few years
got up from his chair in my office (as though working with Hedda and other staff members
it were the wheelchair) and walked around the and students in training in this dual capacity.
room. All of this was done using simple methods It was about a year after I started my consult-
of active imagination. After five or ten minutes ing work that Hedda told me about a clinical
we then went into my art studio where he began demonstration that she had witnessed that was
to work with sand play and painting. I saw him facilitated by a professor at U.C. Santa Barbara.
for about 12 sessions. He was now ready to stop She had watched him working with a client us-
our work together and he began public school ing a number of chairs for the different selves of
near his home in Southern California. I saw him the subject. I was fascinated by her description of
for two sessions when he was in High School what had taken place in this session. I contacted
and he just wanted to talk over some of the is- the professor and asked him about the demon-
sues he was dealing with in high school. Through stration and he told me at that time that he had
other sources I can tell you that Jimmie ulti- no real interest in this work and he didnt mind
mately went into the film business where he has at all if anyone wished to explore it more deeply.
led a successful professional life. Whatever he was doing had no name though it

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certainly seemed like the way a Gestalt therapist us and to earn us love. So, as an old-time Skin-
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would work even though the professor had no nerian, I deeply honor a primary self.
connection to Gestalt work The other major influences that I brought
I then began to play with the idea at home with me from earlier times were the writers
using my daughter Judith and my son Joshua Hermann Hesse and Nikos Kazantzakis. As a
(now deceased) and my then wife, Thea, as woman of the 1950s, I was uncomfortable with
subjects. We facilitated each other and it was the psychological and psychiatric establishments
fun, and sometimes seemed important, but it as they related to women. At the time, I didnt
never went any further and within a year or so it know what it was that didnt feel right, but I felt
seemed to have died a natural death. The resur- it was importantand somehow saferto keep
rection did not happen for another two years or my teachers more impersonal and at a distance.
so when Sidra and I first met. Hesse and Kazantzakis were men whose lives
were deeply committed to the evolution of con-
The Earliest Influences sciousness and whose writings containedfor
Sidras Experiences mea glimpse of universal truths. All of their
My earliest psychological influences date back books explored the struggle between opposing
to the early 1950s at Barnard College. At that forces within each one of us, what Hal and I
time I was a committed behaviorist and basically now call the tension of opposites. Each had his
a Skinner groupie. My friends and I were fasci- own passionate polarities. Hesse worked pri-
nated by the early operant conditioning work as marily between the mind (the intellectual) and
an explanation of human behavior and we would the feelings (the romantic) while Kazantzakis
go to hear Skinner whenever he came to New interest was the tension between the earthy and
York to speak. Our favorite psychology instructor the spiritual.
arranged for a special seminar for four of us who Both men were influenced by Henri Berg-
showed particular interest in this work. There we son and based their worldviews on the exis-
investigated the possible interface of the (Freud- tence of an lan vital, a creative or evolution-
ian) psychoanalytical thinking of the time and ary impulse within each of us, a powerful force
operant conditioning. that moves us towards continual evolution and
I was intrigued by the idea that a psycholo- greater consciousness. That concept felt like a
gist could break down complex behavior into its deep truth and became a part of my life view.
component parts and see how everything worked I recognize echoes of this in what we now call
in an ultimately sensible and predictable fashion. the inner intelligence or the intelligence of
This was only one area of fascination with how the universe.
things worked. Along these same lines, I had Hesses Steppenwolf was the most impact-
seriously considered becoming a physicist. ful book I ever read. It was my introduction to
I still see this early Skinnerian influence in the many selves and to the Magic Theater in
the way I look at the development of primary which I began to view my own tumultuous inner
selvesat how they emerged, at least in part, as cast of characters. Once I peeked into my own
a result of operant conditioning. I was always Magic Theater through the doors opened by this
looking for ways in which they were adaptive book, my view of life and of people was unalter-
and how, as selves, they did their best to protect ably changed. I could no longer look at any of us

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as single entities. From that moment on, I was


THE FIRST ELEMENT
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fascinated by the many selves that I could see in


myself and in those around me. I loved it! This Voice Dialogue as a Methodology
following quote sums it all up: The Beginning of the Joint Adventure
It was early in 1972 that Sidra read an article by
Harry consists of a hundred or a thousand Assagioli on Guided Imagery. She was fasci-
selves, not of two. His life oscillates, as every- nated and decided to try it out in her practice of
ones does, not merely between two poles, such psychotherapy. It was amazingly successful and
as the body and the spirit, the saint and the totally different from anything shed ever done
sinner, but between thousands and thousands. before. A new kind of depth and universality
Every ego, so far from being a unity is in the the kind she had previously experienced only
highest degree a manifold world, a constel- in her contacts with great works of art or of
lated heaven, a chaos of forms, of states and literaturewas now available to both herself and
stages, of inheritances and potentialities. As a her client. People had such wonderful experi-
body everyone is single, as a soul, never. ences that she wanted to learn more about this
From Steppenwolf by Hermann Hesse andmost importantwanted to go on one
of those trips herself. She asked a friend, Dr.
Interestingly, Hesse was deeply influenced Jean Holroyd, the head of the psychology intern
by Jung and this, I feel, provided much of the program at UCLA, where she might learn more
crossover between Hals Jungian background and about this technique.
my own thinking. Kazantzakis, on the other hand, Hal had been teaching this work which was
was a Cretan by birth and Greek to the core. His central to his training in Jungian Psychology.
thoughts, much like those of the Jungians, were He had recently given a very powerful demon-
never far from the ancient gods and goddesses. stration of this work at UCLA that Jean had
He knew the importance of honoring all the gods attended. She recommended that Sidra contact
and goddessesand I always felt that as an un- Hal and see him for a few training sessions.
derpinning in his writings. His greatest book, The So it was that in February, 1972, Sidra came to
Odyssey, A Modern Sequel, was like a Bible to me see Hal making it very clear that she was not
in my own intellectual and spiritual wanderings. interested in personal therapy, not interested in
My own journey was an outer journey in anything that might change her life, but that she
these early years. I traveled extensively and was just wanted a few training sessions so she could
particularly interested in ancient cultures. I become more effective in facilitating this process.
visited the sacred sites in Greece and honored In the first few sessions Sidra went very
the gods and goddesses by visiting their shrines. deeply into the realm of the creative imagination.
Hal visited Jung, I paid my respects at the grave Her initial experience was of initiation into the
of my teacher, Nikos Kazantzakis, in Crete. ancient goddess mysteries. It was in these depths,
And so it was that from these disparate back- one might say, that the two of us met. It became
groundsthese opposites as carried by each of clear almost immediately that the exploration
usthat something new came to be born. Now that was happening was a joint explorationnot
let us look at the basic elements of our work and a mentor/student relationshipand that Hal
see how each evolved. could only continue on this basis. In the depths

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of this kind of work there could be only equality child and he knew that it was best to say noth-
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between us. We began to share our dream pro- ing. He was with a pre-verbal childthe child
cess in addition to the visualizations and in the was real, and the selves were real. When Sidra
course of one of these sessions we started talking left her place on the floor and returned to her
about how vulnerable they were both feeling and seat on the sofareturning to what we later
how unfamiliar this was for both of us. called the Aware Egowe both sat in silence.
It was during this discussion that Hal sug- We both realized that something momentous
gested that Sidra move over and become the had happened.
vulnerability instead of just talking about it. Hal had to wait a week before Sidra facili-
It was the moment of the resurrection of this tated his child. His own experience was most
technique of talking to the selves. The term profound. It was the beginning of Little Harry,
Voice Dialogue did not yet exist. That came a totally unknown quantity in his life up until
later. In this moment, the game that Hal had then, and so it was that instead of Sidra and Hal
played with before became something quite exploring together, there were now four of us at
different and the birthing process of the Voice work. There were Sidra and Lisa and there were
Dialogue method began. Hal and Little Harry. Everyones stories and
This is how Sidra remembers that very first ideas were different.
experience: So the work began with what we named the In-
Hal asked me to move over and to become the ner Childas far as we know, we were the first to
vulnerability. I knew it was the right thing to do. use that term. It began out of a relationship in which
I trusted him. I trusted him so deeply that I moved a deep love was evolving. It had no context so far
from the couch where Id been sitting, sat down on as therapy was concerned. These children of ours
the floor and put my head down on the coffee table. were real and the continuing work we did with
In total silence, I allowed myself to move into my them gave us a way of widening and deepening
vulnerability, I literally became someone else. I our co-exploration. We were not just stunned by
became a very small child who experienced the world what was happening. We were extremely excited.
in a new way. There was total stillness. I had the If these inner children were real, who else was
sense that the I that was sitting there had been there? After all, there were many doors to open
hiding in a deep cave for my entire life and that in the long hallway of the Magic Theater. We
this was the first time she felt safe enough to come were off and running, meeting the myriad selves
out. The world around me changed, my perceptions that began to emerge into consciousness.
became more acute, colors and sounds were different, In the next few years we did a great deal of
and I could feel Hals energy holding a space for me this kind of exploration. At this early stage there
(although it would be years before we were to know was basically no theory, no Aware Ego. We were
more about the energetics of relationship). This was simply two explorers who were very much in love
totally foreign to me; I was accustomed to experienc- and who had no idea where our lives were head-
ing the world in a rational, sensible, and controlled ing. We only knew that what was happening was
way. I felt that I had finally entered Herman Hesses rich, creative, and original and that it deepened
Magic Theater! our connection to each other at each step along
Hal was himself stunned by this experience. the way. We still used the visualization process
He could feel that he was in the presence of a and shared dreams but in this early stage the ex-

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citement of the dialogue process quite possessed elements involved. To learn more about the work
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us. The theory was to come later. itself, we suggest the classic book, Embracing
Our work with relationship began with a very Our Selves; or, if you prefer to listen to CDs, An
powerful experience very early in these explora- Introduction to Voice Dialogue, Relationship,
tions. One of Sidras early visualizations was that and the Psychology of Selves; and finally, if you
of an ancient Minoan ship sailing on mythic prefer to see us as well as hear us, the documentary,
seas. We were both on that ship. Emblazoned The Voice Dialogue Series.
upon its sail, watching over us and protecting
our journey, was a golden eyethe eye of God.
As part of that visualization, we were told that
THE SEcond ELEMENT
we were on a journey that would not end. This The Psychology of Selves
meant that there was to be no real security or The Beginning of Theory
predictability for us. We were not permitted to It is difficult to remember how and when our
set up a permanent home; we were not even per- theoretical considerations began to intermix with
mitted to spend more than one night at a time our deeply personal work. We were both psy-
on land. It was truly the beginning of our journey chologists (practicing psychotherapists). Things
of relationshipa journey in which in which the were happening and changes were taking place
relationship became our teacher. with remarkable speed and, quite naturally, we
began to organize our thinking about the events
that were occurring.
The first realization to come to us was that these
selves inside of us behaved like real people and that
they had to be treated with the greatest respect. If
they sensed that they were being judged in any
way or manipulated in any way, they withdrew.
It also became clear very early that for a self to
remain with the facilitator, the facilitator had to
remain totally presentthe self required a strong
energetic connection to hold it. This was long
before our more sophisticated development of
the energetics of Voice Dialogue. It was, however,
a beginning.

Primary and Disowned Selves


Very early in our explorations we began to
see that we are made up of primary selvesa
Collaboration in the Early Years 1983 group of selves that define our personality. (We
had some question as to whether we should
This is not the place to discuss our work in call them primary or dominant selves and we
detail, but only the story of how it evolved and settled on primary.) It seemed to us like a very
whatto our mindsare the most important simple idea. Why hadnt we ever been able to

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see this before? Who we think we are is really defense structure of the personality.
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a group of selves that we have identified with We, however, dont think in terms of de-
and these selves become the persona or how fenses; instead we think of the primary selves
we present ourselves to the world. in terms of their adaptability and creativity
The next step seemed quite natural and we honor their attempts to contribute to a
obvious as we continued our work with each persons wellbeing. We saw them as selves that
other. Whenever we identify with a primary were central to survival, accomplishment, and
self then on the other side, equal and opposite, the ability (however limited) to relate to others
is its opposite. We called this the disowned and, therefore, always to be regarded with the
self. Nathaniel Branden had first coined the greatest degree of respect.
term: the disowned self. When he talked of
the disowned self, he was referring, however, Working with Opposites
to the disowned self as the emotions that are After the first excitement of exploring indi-
disowned by people who identify with the vidual selves, and after the ideas of primary and
mind and have a basically rational approach to disowned selves began to emerge, we began to
life. We spoke with Nathaniel about all of this work more and more with opposites in our work
and he was comfortable with our using this together. This happened gradually because in the
term. We are grateful to him for his largesse earliest phase of our work we enjoyed concen-
in this matter because the terms disowned and trating on a single self. We spent a great deal of
primary selves fit together so perfectly. time working with the Inner Child, the Inner
Within the first few years, these ideas were Critic, the Responsible Parent, the Observing
getting pretty well set. In the earliest years, Mind, and the Protector/Controller. And we had
we used the idea of a Protector-Controller as a great time talking with the disowned selves.
the main primary self, the self that set up the Those selves were a lot more adventurous and
basic rules and was the guardian of the gates rambunctiousoften quite intenseand usually
of entry to our inner world. We saw the Pro- irreverent.
tector/Controller as a self that gathered and We began to see, however, that the real gift of
organized information about the world around the work was not simply talking to selves. Instead,
us so that we could understand it, a self that we began to get the sense that the real point of
protected us, and controlled both our behavior the work was working directly with opposites.
and our environment. It seemed important to learn how to separate
It took time before we realized that this from the primary selves, to talk with the dis-
was a generic term and that every primary self owned selves, and then learn to stand between
was a protector and a controller in its own way, the opposites (of the primary and disowned
that each had its own way of figuring out the selves) clearly feeling both at the same time. It
world around us, and that each primary self was the opposites that were important.
lived by its own set of rules. The Protector- It took time for this shift in emphasis to
Controller is still used by many teachers and is occur because talking to many voices, and
still a very good self to use at the beginning of especially to the disowned selves, was so much
Voice Dialogue. It provides us with a picture fun. As time passed, we increasingly put our
of what clinicians often refer to as the basic emphasis on working between the opposites.

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But something was missingwe needed to ad- stronger with continuing work. What became in-
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dress the issue of a model of consciousness that creasingly clear to us was that the Operating Ego
could encompass all of this. is here forever but it gradually surrenders power
to the Aware Ego Process as we separate from

THE third ELEMENT more and more primaries and integrate more and
more disowned selves.
The Consciousness Model Now a new way at looking at consciousness
A New Definition of Consciousness began to emerge.
The old forms didnt quite work for us. We We saw three levels to the process of con-
knew that we needed something new, but sciousness. First there was the level of Awareness.
werent quite sure what it was. We remember This has been around for a very long time. It is
driving across a great flat valley wonder- often referred to as the witness state in medita-
ing aloud about just what it could be that tion. It gives us the ability to step back and see
would be beyond the selves and take charge the big picture. It does not act. It is not attached
of life; and what we could do to bring in the to outcome.
spiritual dimension. We tried and tried, but The second level of consciousness we began to see
nothing gave us what we were seeking. That as the actual experience of the selves, the experience
had to wait. of life itself. Awareness does not experience. It
Finally, we looked at the term Ego. The Ego witnesses. Awareness without experience isolates
has always been seen as the directing agent of us from life. Experience without awareness keeps
the personality and it is an excellent termone us locked into the animal kingdom. Both are es-
with a long history. It is often described as the sential to an ongoing consciousness process.
executive function of the psyche. It is the I that Then there was the new kid on the block. Some-
we refer to when we talk about ourselves. one has to live our lives; someone has to drive our
What we began to realize was that this (psychological) car. Someone has to use the gift of
all-powerful Ego is, in fact, a group of primary awareness and the treasure of experience and, for us,
selves that together run our lives and rule the that someone or something was the Aware Ego or,
personality without anyone knowing it. It can more accurately, the Aware Ego Process. We real-
be the Rational Mind, the Pusher, the Pleaser, ized that this was an ongoing dynamic process
the Responsible Parent, the Independent One, that was always changing, that there was no such
the Rebelit is whatever it is that we think we thing as an Aware Ego.
areit is whichever selves are running our lives. As a matter of fact, over the years we have
We decided to call this group of selvesthe tradi- come to see that consciousness itself is a
tional Egothe Operating Ego. processwith each of the three levels of con-
Then we had to develop a new name to described sciousness representing a distinct, individually
what happened in Voice Dialogue when we sepa- evolving process.
rated from a primary self and returned to center.
That center space was no longer occupied by the Honoring the Primary Selves
Operatingor traditionalEgo. The new term We were learning a great deal about primary
we used was the Aware Ego. We found that this selves in those early years and the learning
Aware Ego Process evolves and gets stronger and has never stopped. There is one thing that we

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understood from the beginning that has stood clinic or center. This kind of sensitivity was
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us in good stead all through the years. One must particularly important when we were working in
always honor the primary self. In the practice of other cultures. Its important to know the rules,
Voice Dialogue this is probably one of strongest and to use language and concepts that do not
recommendations we can make. The primary polarize the primary selves. This attention to the
self is the ally of the facilitator. Both have the primary selves in our surroundings has saved
interests and wellbeing of the client at heart and us untold discomfortboth professionally and
there must be a mutual respect and deep un- personally.
derstanding between the primary selves and the
facilitator. THE fourth ELEMENT
What we learned early in the practice of
Voice Dialogue has yet deeper and more far
The Theory of Bonding Patterns
The Selves and Relationship
reaching implications for living life. We are
always dealing with people and essentially we are We are giving a very short version of our theo-
always dealing with their primary selves. Know- retical structure. This material is available in
ing this can save us much unhappiness. detailed form in our books, CDs and our DVD
Many years ago, very early in our work to- documentary. In this article we are attempting
gether, we were at a social gathering and a rather to give you a more sweeping view of where we
traditional psychologist asked us about our work. have come from. Someone who worked with
Not yet truly appreciating how important it was us in the late 1970s or 1980s cannot help but
to honor the primary selves in the real world, have a very limited idea of what we are doing
we opened up to him and shared our ideas and today. We do not enjoy stagnation and neither
work. He became very judgmental as he aggres- does our unconscious. When some new idea
sively questioned us about the empirical basis for emerged or methodology changed then we let it
our work and wanted to know exactly what kinds change. Sometimes we werent even aware of a
of experiments we had designed and carried out. change, it evolved so naturally. It is confusing to
He accused us of making up these selves and many people to watch this happen. For us, it is
made some vague threats about malpractice. All very exciting to see the work evolve and to bring
in all, it was a very unpleasant experience. everyone along as a part of this process.
We are fast learners and we learned from We met in 1972 and we were married in 1977.
this experience to feel into people more carefully This article is not about our personal life. We raised
and to explore the nature of their primary selves five children between us and the personal work
before we shared our ideas and feelings. We have we were doing with each other helped us enor-
tried our best not to share our work with people mously in understanding our parental role. These
who are not ready to listen. As weve often said, were also the years when Sidra was the Executive
We go only where the door is already open. Director of Hamburger Home, a residential treat-
After this experience, we were much more cau- ment center for adolescent girls and Hal was the
tious. We began to screen invitations to speak Director of the Center for the Healing Arts. Our
and, before we spoke with a new group, we did professional lives were completely separate, but our
our best to determine the nature of the primary work together and the evolution of our thinking
self system that dominated that particular group, were central aspects of our lives.

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Those five years of work clarified our rela- pattern that repeated itself.
Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D.

tionship and made marriage possible. We were Hal would get angry with Sidra and suddenly
using Voice Dialogue in our respective practices he was no longer Hal, he was a cold judgmen-
and Hal had started to do some teaching of the tal father talking to her. She became a victim/
process at the Center. It was becoming increas- defensive daughter and argued back. Then, in
ingly clear to us that in relationships selves were the blink of an eye, she became a judgmental
constantly interacting with the selves of the motherwithdrawn, critical and coldand
other person. With our marriage, however, some although Hal became a hurt and vulnerable son
of the interactions between us were turning to this cruel mother, still his judgmental father
quite sour. Old patterns suddenly emerged but attacked. There were always four selves (or sets of
with the new partnera partner who was totally selves) involved. We replayed this scenario over
different from the previous one. We called one and over again but now we were beginning to see
another by the names of our former spouses. We the pattern. We looked for all the selves involved
found ourselves judging each otheroften for in these interactions. Some were more apparent
the same qualities that had attracted us to one than others. But they were always all there.
another in the first place. We literally became We named this pattern a bonding pattern in
other people: judgmental, closed, and humorless. recognition that it was basically a set of parent/
Underneath it all there was a vague feeling of child interactions. We also felt that this was a way
betrayal, helplessness and desperation. to honor it as a normal way of relating as contrasted
What was happening? Was marriage neces- to a pathological one. In those years, we looked at
sarily the end of love? There had to be a way of these patterns as basically an interaction between
understanding these painfully divisive interac- power selves and disempowered selves. As time
tions, of bringing them under some kind of went on, our views of this have clarified; the par-
control. We wanted our relationship back. We ent/child nature of the interaction has become
knew that the selves we had worked with over ever more apparent and we have come to see this
the previous years had something to do with this. bonding pattern as the basic default pattern in all
It was obvious to us that a set of selves had taken relationships.
charge of our relationship. There was no more We discovered other constants in these
us, there was no more connection, and the vul- interactions. All bonding patterns grew out of the
nerable children that were a part of our relation- negation or disowning of vulnerability. This took
ship from the very beginning were nowhere to many forms, but it was always present. When our
be found. interactions became negative we could always
This was the start of a remarkable three trace back to a time when we lost contact with
months of a new kind of exploration. We looked our core vulnerability (or what we called our
at the selves that had taken over our relation- Inner Child). Something had happened to hurt
ship and tried to figure out what was really it, to frighten it off and we had ignored this;
going on. We wrote down and diagrammed out instead we had reacted in a more seemingly adult
every negative interaction that we had. We did fashion. We had basically disowned our vulner-
this over and over and over again until a pattern able child. If we could hold on to the child, (or to
began to emerge. We began to see how these our vulnerability) and took care of this directly,
negative interactions followed a basically simple these negative patterns lost their power; they

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didnt need to play themselves out. How can you feel righteous in the middle of
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The other constant we discovered was a tru- a righteous dance in full knowledge of the
ism that we had recognized from our early deal- fact that you are basically attacking your own
ings with selves. Whatever you judge is a disowned disowned self or selves?
self of your own. In these negative interactions, or We had some wild and (in retrospect) funny
bonding patterns, our judgments would flare up interchanges as we closed in on the bonding
and assume center stage. We looked carefully at pattern theory. One evening we were still arguing
this. Gradually it became clear to us that as we over a particular bonding pattern at 11:00 PM
reacted to each other negatively we were, in fact, and Sidra finally said that she was exhausted
being given pictures of our own disowned selves. and going to bed. Hal continued to work on the
If we recognized this, we could use it as a teach- pattern, simmering in the heat of his judgments
ing in our own relationshipand we could help and furious at Sidras comment that he wasnt
others see this in theirs. in his Aware Ego. After about 10 minutes Hal
This was almost painful to realize. We had stormed into the bedroom and with great grace
hoped we were beyond this. Besides, our judg- and dignity yelled at her: I am too in an Aware
ments were so much fun. It was such a wonderful Ego. We both laughed and that was the end of
feeling to pin the other up against the wall with that one. Such is the snake-like path of the co-
brilliant and self-righteous criticisms. It was so exploration of consciousness.
wonderful to be unquestionably right. Our excitement at this time was enormous.
If, however, our judgments are reflections What was emerging was something quite new.
of our disowned selves, then wheres the fun? It was something that worked for us in everyday

Teaching in Holland 1987

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life. It was a simple, precise, and elegant way Ego. We realized more and more that the core
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of looking at relationships that had a sense of a work was not about talking to selves. This was
mathematical certainty and balance. Later we came important but not as much as the development
to think of it as a kind of technology of relationship. of an Aware Ego Process. This was really the key
Our excitement about all of this was magnified to the kind of changes we were looking for.
as we realized that the theory of bonding patterns We saw that people could work forever with
gave us a very creative (and non-pathologizing) selves but until there was a true separation and
way to look at the transference. The same principles dis-identification from the primary self, changes
were operating. The only difference is that we refer were easily lost. We saw that, without an Aware
to it as transference if we get paid and bonding Ego Process, the primary self would automatically
patterns if we dont. Weve come to call this The regain control. This Aware Ego Process evolves
Psychology of the Transference. between any pair of opposites. Some common op-
There was immediate gratification from our dis- posite sets of selves are power and vulnerability,
covery of bonding patterns. We felt better. Feelings pusher and beach bum, thinking and feeling,
of love and intimacy returned. Of course, we had to control and release.
accustom ourselves to the loss of self-righteousness There are many sets of opposites and the
(that deliciously seductive feeling) but we were a lot Aware Ego Process emerges from one set at a
happier with each other. time. Clarity in one area does not mean clarity
Theres something wonderfully freeing about in all areas. For instance, we find the someone
escaping from a negative bonding pattern. And develops an Aware Ego process that is capable
it totally changed the nature of working with of holding the tension of opposites between the
couples, making it a joy rather than a nightmare. mental and the feeling selves butat the same
Teaching people about the bonding patterns and timehas no Aware Ego Process when it comes
then working with the selves created a wonder- to spirituality. This same individual who does
ful path to change and we used it ourselves with such a good job of embracing both feelings and
increasing effectiveness. thinking, still might be totally identified with
It was much later that we began to attend to spirituality and reject selves that are ordinary or
the positive bonding patterns and to realize how instinctual.
often these set the stage for the appearance of For a spiritually identified person to develop
negative ones. an Aware Ego Process in relationship to spiri-
tuality, he or she would have to do work that

THE fifth ELEMENT separates him/her from the spiritual self so that
there is an Aware Ego Process that can see it and
The Psychology of the Aware Ego experience it but not be identified with it. This
An Energetically Based Psycho-Spiritual separation can be very difficult but we have dis-
Approach to Consciousness covered a truly fascinating self we call the spiri-
With the theory of bonding patterns in place tual pusher that runs the life of many a spiritual
and the re-defining of consciousness providing seeker. After the separation from this spiritual
us with a model that seemed effective over time, self (or the spiritual seeker) there would be the
we began to think about actually changing the challenge to discover and integrate the spiritual
title of our work to the Psychology of the Aware sloth, the ordinary self, and the instinctual.

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Conversely, someone who rejects spirituality tions of the Psychology of Selves and the actual use of
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from a primary self that is rational and mental must Voice Dialogue will be much more effective. Delib-
learn to unhook from the rational mind so that the erately activating a self or energy system is a
Aware Ego can begin to see the rational mind as very exciting use of the Psychology of Selves.
a separate self/energy system. This makes a space But we do not see this as Voice Dialogue. For
for the spiritual selves to emerge and be properly us, Voice Dialoguein addition to the direct
embraced. At this point, we have an Aware Ego work with selvesincludes an experience of
standing between the more earthbound rules and opposites and an Aware Ego Process.
experiences of the mind and the numinous realms We finally decided not to officially change
and experiences of the world of the spirit. the name of the work to the Psychology of the
At times it has felt to us as though we were Aware Ego a number of years ago. Voice Dia-
running a divorce court. In this framework we logue, Relationship and the Psychology of Selves
help people to learn how to get a divorce from has achieved such a strong name recognition
their primary selves. Once a person is divorced that we decided to let it rest there. Our sense is
from a primary self, the Aware Ego can learn that there is a gradual increased use of the terms
how to use that energy in a conscious way. Noth- Aware Ego Process or Psychology of the Aware
ing is lost. The primary self simply begins to op- Ego amongst practitioners and teachers and
erate under the aegis of an Aware Ego that has eventually this shift in name may well take place.
all the information and input from that primary
self but, in addition to this, has the complemen-
The Aware Ego and Spirituality
tary information and input from the opposite We are often asked: What is the relationship
self or selves. of the Aware Ego to spirituality? or How does
We have tried to give you a feeling of the the Voice Dialogue process address the issue of
ongoing process we have been in as our work has spirituality? We would like to take this opportu-
developed. The focus on the Aware Ego dramati- nity to address these questions.
cally changes the nature of the Voice Dialogue For us, it is important to understand that
process. Whatever work we may be doing with spirituality has two different components that
selves, the primary focus is how to support the have to be considered separately. One compo-
Aware Ego in its evolutionary process. It is this nent of spirituality has to do with the rules.
transformation of the work that moves the sys- The second component has to do with tran-
tem onto the larger world stage. It now becomes scendent experiencesthe experience of God,
more of a philosophy of life. Yet at the same time of the Higher Intelligence, of the Transperson-
it remains a system that anyone can integrate al or whatever name best expresses an experi-
into their work and it is not opposed to, or fight- ence that goes beyond ordinary consciousness
ing against, any psycho-spiritual system. and the words that can describe it.
Generally in the development of religious
The Importance of institutions there is first the transcendent
the Aware Ego Process experience and then a body of rules develops to
Our hope is that all the facilitators and teachers will support this experience and bring it to others.
have a basic understanding of the Aware Ego Pro- These rules usually become more numerous and
cess. If this understanding is there, then the applica- powerful as time passes and eventually they may

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well cover over the original experience. clarity. Whenever we feel judgments towards
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For us, the transcendent experience is a very someone or something, we know that we are in
real and glorious gift. Who in us receives this a primary self because the judgments come from
gift and what is done with this gift can vary. the selves, not the Aware Ego.
When a self receives this giftlet us assume You may well ask But how do you know
that it is a spiritual selfthen that self usu- when you are in an Aware Ego? How do you
ally develops a series of rules and expectations know that it is an Aware Ego that is doing
about this experience. And that self judges the surrendering at any moment? Might you
other selves that are different and polarizes not be fooled by the Mind that loves to act as
against anything or anyone that does not fit in though it were God or any other primary self
with its expectations and follow its rules. for that matter?
We see this as the way in which many spiri- The answer is that we dont. We dont know
tual or religious institutions evolve. The original when we are in an Aware Ego except for brief
experience is taken up by a primary self (or the moments of time. If your responsible self has
primary self of the group) that guards it and just been facilitated and you can feel your
keeps out anything that might destroy it. Only separation from it, the most you can say is that
the energy of that particular self is considered at this moment of time you have an Aware
good and it is to that self and its rules that one Ego Process operating in relationship to re-
must surrender. We know that much can be sponsibility; at this moment you have a certain
gained by this kind of surrender; this is the basic level of understanding of this responsible self
premise of the Guru/disciple relationship. The and a certain separation from it.
disciple surrenders to the Guru andin do- A second answer is that when we are con-
ing socan receive the gift of the transcendent vinced we are operating from an Aware Ego, we
experience. are not. We are most probably identified with a
In contrast, the Aware Ego surrenders to all spiritual self, a rational mind, or a control self.
energies or selves. This is quite different from All of these have a sense of certainty to them,
surrendering only to the spiritual energies. and they like to masquerade as the Aware Ego.
This means very simply that the Aware Ego is So as the Aware Ego bows down to the dif-
committed to hearing, seeing and feeling all ferent gods and goddesses of the light and the
the different selves. It excludes none. When dark, of heaven and earth, of good and bad, of
one self starts to dominate, it is the job of the body and spirit, of knowing and not knowing, it
Aware Ego to find the opposites on the other is embracing both of the opposites. It is the and
side and to consider their input as well. In this rather than the either/or. It truly represents the
sense the Aware Ego is like an orchestra con- Middle Way.
ductor who welcomes all the instruments and We see the Aware Ego as surrendered to the
then uses their individual contributions to sing Intelligence of the Universe. This intelligence
the song of the soul. can manifest in many different ways. It is not
Learning to surrender to all of the selves personal in any sense, though for some of us it
requires constant work with our negative judg- may manifest through our personal relationships.
ments towards people (and things) to help the Others can see it with utmost clarity in the
Aware Ego in its constant evolution towards

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Teaching in France 1989

dream process. For still others it may manifest psycho-spiritual consciousness process. The
in meditation or spiritual practice. For many Aware Ego has the job of embracing the world
scientists it manifests in the organizing principle of Spirit in all of its glory and, on the other
at work in the material world andon a grand side, the world of physical matter, of emotion,
scalein the galaxies. Whatever the case, the of passion, and of psychological and mental
Aware Ego must be surrendered to the reality realities.
of this higher intelligence and how it can be For us, it is important to not confuse spirituality
perceived operating in his or her personal with consciousness. A consciousness process encom-
universe. passes spirituality. Spirituality does not necessarily
For us, the Aware Ego must also be surren- encompass a consciousness process. Spirituality does
dered to the way that this higher intelligence not encompass matter or instinctual energies. That
operates in human relationship. It must be sur- is why so many people in the spiritual tradition
rendered to the idea that everyone in our life lose the connection to their bodies and their
is potentially a teacher for us. We understand instincts. An Aware Ego process requires us to do the
that peoples reactions to us must be taken work of spirit and the work of relationship and the
seriously. And we learn to use our own nega- physical world. For ourselves, we must say what a
tive judgments of people as a teaching device delight it has been, and what a delight in continues
to discover our own disowned selves. to be, to spend our lives in these kinds of explorations.
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Moving into Many Worlds selves and we are delighted to see the creativity
Hal Stone, Ph.D. & Sidra Stone, Ph.D.

People use Voice Dialogue and the Aware Ego and the diversity of these new developments.
Process in many different settings and with many
Body Dialogue:
different kinds of clients. Management consul-
tants have found a way to use the Voice Dialogue The Work of Judith Tamar Stone
technique and the concepts of the Psychology of This is a perfect place to introduce the innova-
Selves and bonding patterns in a business set- tions of Judith Tamar Stone, Hals daughter,
ting with individuals who are not at all interested who has added an entirely new dimension to this
in consciousness issues. They have translated the work. In her early twenties Judith was working at
language we use here to make it work within a Blue Cross and very much committed to a career
different frame of reference and for a different set in business. Her plans were interrupted when
of primary selves. she developed a debilitating medical condi-
Coaches or a management consultants might, tion that was diagnosed as rheumatoid arthritis.
for example, speak of traditional habits or Her symptoms were so severe that she had to
familiar strategies versus unexplored creative abandon those particular professional plans and
potential rather than talk of primary versus devote herself to her own healing process.
disowned selves. They are not likely to use a term Judith made a choice at that time to not fol-
like Aware Ego because this kind of language low the orthodox medical model that is generally
might not be acceptable in a business setting. prescribed for these kinds of arthritic conditions.
So they improvisesome quite brilliantlyand She found an MD who was open to the idea of
many have experienced great success. her trying different treatment modalities and this
One of our major teachers keeps a focus on began a remarkable journey of exploration and
what we call being energy because she feels healing that lasted five years in its more active
that is extremely important. Others use this be- phase but in reality has continued to this day.
ing energy as a vehicle for igniting the spiritual Judith opened herself to ongoing psychother-
energies. apy, to many different forms of complementary
Other teachers are specializing in working medicine, and to certain aspects of traditional
with the selves involved in addiction. In the Western medicine. She took all of us along with
field of Western medicine, there are research- her on her journey. Hal, in particular, has been
ers who are beginning to investigate the neu- delighted to work with many of the people Ju-
robiological aspects of consciousness, medita- dith discovered in her own explorations. Without
tion, and the selves. the constant health-oriented input and recom-
In a totally different arena, this work has mendations Judith has given to Hal through the
proven extremely valuable for training actors. years, it is quite possible that he would not be
There, too, different words are used that match here today.
the requirements of the situation. There is even Very gradually, out of the profound experi-
an internationally acclaimed Tango coach who ence that she was going through with her own
uses the energetics of this work in his training of healing process, Judith began to develop a very
competitive dancers. special and different kind of connection to her
There are a myriad of ways to work with the body. It became much more real to her than it is

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to most of us who dont spend much time sens- through the years has developed into what we
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ing into the body. She began to shift her overall consider a major contribution to Voice Dialogue
professional identification to psychology and and the Psychology of Selves.
she used the Voice Dialogue work as one of the
central healing modalities of her own healing THE sixth ELEMENT
journey. Over the years she has become one of
the senior teachers of our work. The Energetics of Relationship
Learning to Play Your Own Instrument
What also began to evolve was an entirely
new and different aspect of the Voice Dialogue There have been a great many periods of excite-
work that Judith called Body Dialogue. What ment in our adventures together as weve developed
she realized, from her own experience, was that this body of work. Certainly one of the most pro-
the body had a voice that could speak for it. She found and most gratifying has been the Energetics
also discovered that many of the individual parts of Voice Dialogue and the Psychology of Selves.
of the body were able to speak and to give spe- Hal was first introduced to the world of energy by
cifically targeted information and guidance. the work of William Brugh Joy in 1974 when he
Even more significantly, Judith began to made his first public appearance at the Center for
tune in to the fact that the physical body carried the Healing Arts summer conference. It was a truly
an intelligence and that one could activate this seminal moment in the world of consciousness
intelligence of the body and receive remarkable because large numbers of students flocked to Brugh
information and guidance. The process of work- and were introduced to the bodys energy fields and
ing with the body in this way began slowly and shown how to work with them.

In Central Australia 2002

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At that time the energy had to do with heal- Hals primary self was impersonal.
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ing. Hal was not interested in becoming a healer We began to recognize that some of our
per se, but the world of energy was opened to most impassioned judgments towards each
him by Brugh and, over the next few years, he other were based on this difference. When
developed his own style of energy work that we first starting teaching together this was a
he called field clearing. It has always been a real problem. Sidra said of Hal that if some-
significant part of our lives and our work and one in the f ront row of the audience fainted
has helped us move through difficult physical and fell to the floor, Hal wouldnt notice
challenges both at home and, perhaps even more it. Hal said of Sidra that if someone in the
important, on our travels. last row of the audience got up to go to the
It was only after we met that we began to bathroom, Sidra would be upset because she
consider the world of healing as it applies to per- felt abandoned or judged.
sonal relationship. Early on in our explorations One time we were teaching and at the end
together, we began to notice that different selves of the first hour at the break Sidra asked Hal if
actually felt different from other selves. Being he had seen the couple in the front row right
with a vulnerable child or a loving parent felt in front of him. Hal didnt know what she was
like being in the room with an energy machine talking about. She then pointed them out to
that gave off a warm glow that could be sensed him and it was a couple that was apparently
and that made a palpable connection. We called involved in S&M practices. The girl was wear-
that personal energy. Facilitating the mind was ing a very large metal collar around her neck
totally different. The mind generally gave off no and metal bands around her ankles embedded
energy and we did not feel a connection. We with metal rings for bondage. Hal was quite
called that impersonal energy. One was warm sure that he was the only one in the room that
and connected, the other cool with clear, crisp had missed seeing that.
boundaries. These are two very different ways of Another time Sidra and Hal were walking
meeting the world. on the beach near Santa Barbara and Hal
We paid more and more attention to what we in full impersonal energywas immersed in
began to call the energetics of Voice Dialogue. the ideas they were discussing. Sidra stopped
Different selves had different energies connected walking and, with a smile, asked Hal: Hal,
to them. If we were facilitating sensual energy would you mind looking around and seeing
(which we called Aphrodite energy) we could where you are? To his great astonishment he
sense a tingling in the skin of our whole body. discovered that they were in the middle of
If we were facilitating the higher self we could a nude beach and that all around him there
feel a powerful sensation in the top of our head, were naked sun worshippers. It was not only
the crown energy. Though Hal had learned about impersonal energy that created this dimin-
energetic reality through the work at the Center, ished perception, but impersonal energy
Sidra seemed to have a totally natural connection was certainly a good part of it. Hals basic
to it. We began to see that some of the difficul- primary selves were impersonal and he just
ties of our interactions were based on energetic didnt make an energetic connection with
realities we hadnt previously known. Sidras the world around him.
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the word linkage or energetic linkage when problems. The primary linkage might go to one
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talking about this energetic connection. When of the children, creating a kind of psychological
we got into negative bonding patterns, when marriage between the parent and that child. This
judgments took over, we lost our linkage. Things happens with great frequency and then, if the
felt hopeless between us. Then we did our work marriage breaks up and the parent meets someone
with each other. Maybe Hal discovered he had she/he loves, there is as wrenching disconnect
been holding back his reactions. Maybe Sidra from the son or daughter who had carried the
discovered she was pushing too hard. primary linkage before the arrival of the new
Whatever the case, by doing our work with partner. This awareness of linkage introduced a
each other we got back our linkage. We would new dimension to our considerations of family
feel energetically connected again. We felt like relationships and led us to a deeper understand-
newlyweds. This happened over and over again. ing of the intense pain involved in step parent-
We were beginning to see with absolute clarity ing and the introduction of a new partner into a
that it wasnt marriage that destroyed love and family system.
intimacy. It was the development of negative Our work with energetics was in two basic
bonding patterns and the ensuing loss of linkage. areas. First, there was the fact that every self
This happened repeatedly. Hals feelings could be experienced energetically and that the
would get hurt. Maybe he was jealous of Sidra awareness of this was of utmost importance. We
at a party when she was energetically connecting saw clearly that the effectiveness of the facilitator
with other men. If he didnt share his jealousy, was dependent upon the recognition of the energy
his vulnerabilitywhatever forms that sharing and the ability to hold this. We realized that the
tookhis inner child disappeared from view. He best facilitators worked at an energeticrather
used to joke about it disappearing into the uni- than verballevel. They paid more attention
verse about a hundred light years away when this to maintaining the energetic integrity of a self
happened. What we realized was that linkage than to asking it the proper questions.
ended at that moment. Linkage is real. When it There is another aspect to the facilitators
is lacking it is very lonely and the relationship sensitivity to energetics. If the facilitator was
feels terrible. Andunless you know about what able to use energetics, then he or she could
you have just lostit is not so easy to get it back. often help a self to emerge by a process of
We began to examine the nature of peoples energetic induction. This works like a tun-
linkage. You can be linked to your dog or cat. ing forkyou strike the tuning fork and set
You can be linked to a child. You can be linked it down on a sounding board. The sounding
to your work, or your computer, or your book, board then vibrates at the same frequency
or your television set, or your secretary, or to giving off the same note. The facilitator oper-
money. Or to worry, or to your to do list. Or ates like a tuning fork, calling up a specific en-
to alcohol, or to drugs, or to food, or to exer- ergy within himself or herself and the subject
cise. You can even be linked to your spiritual responds with the same. In this way, and when
practices or to your consciousness process. appropriate, the facilitator can help to induct a
In relationship work we began to see that sought-after energy. This is particularly helpful
if the primary linkage wasnt between the two when helping people to learn how to utilize
people in the relationship, then there were personal and impersonal energies.

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This was a whole new world to explore. We denly he understood at a very deep level how this
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also began to teach the Aware Ego how to bring process works. If a mother has children, and if
into itself, or channel, the different energies and, one or more of those children is near her, then
here again, it was the awakening of a whole new her primary linkage is going to shift to the child.
world. We literally taught people how to play We dont mean every time but we do mean most
their own instruments, how to affect their of the time. What Hal saw is that the mother is
own energy fields. This work was particularly hard wired to link with her child. This is not a
important because it was a way of strengthen- conscious choice so if we want to be very clear,
ing the Aware Ego Process and empowering we call it unconscious linkage.
the individual. If Hal wanted quality time with Sidra away
The second area of work with energetics was our from the children, he had to learn how to go to
exploration and experimentation with linkage. We her with his own intimacy needs and make them
looked at linkage as it related to bonding patterns and clear to her without sounding either like a whiny
saw how it led to an increased understanding of the victim child or a killer judgmental father (he had
dynamics of family systems. an advanced black belt in both, but they were
Hal has one strong memory here of an not very useful). She then was able to become
experience with Sidra that catapulted him to a aware of where her energies were and was able to
new understanding and appreciation of linkage. handle them in a more conscious way. She could
A good many of the negative bonding patterns reinstate her linkage with Haland she could
he got into with Sidra had to do with feeling left even maintain her connection to a child at the
out when she was with her children. Since her same time. We call that conscious linkage.
basic energies were personal, the linkage with This was a turning point in Hals life and
her daughters was very strong. One day they interestingly enough, as we might well expect
were alone in their home in Southern Califor- in this kind of process relationship, Sidra
nia; it was the first day that all of the children was able to more effectively look at her own
were away. They were sitting on the two ends of linkage issues with her children. Because she
the couch and there was a very strong energetic now knew what was happening, she finally
linkagethey could feel a buzz between their had some choice and she was able to begin to
hearts. Hal was a very happy man. This process control where her energies went.
went on for five minutes or so and suddenly Everything changed in the work and in the
stopped completely. theory with these kinds of experiences. For the
Hal asked Sidra what had happened. Sidra newer person, Voice Dialogue may well look like a
then said something that was truly remarkable simple technique; just ask the right questions and
for Hal. She said that she was doing an experi- youll get to the self. For anyone who senses into
ment. She wanted to see what would happen if the underlying energetics of the work, it becomes
she visualized her daughter in the next room. something quite different. Experienced facilitators
When she did that, the linkage between them are able to work at deeper and deeper levels as they
ended totally and her energies automatically (or become more at home with the energetic realities that
unconsciously) went to her daughter. are in us and that determine so much of what hap-
Hal had been working on his judgments pens in our lives and in our relationships.
about Sidras mothering for a long time. Sud- And so it was that we began the practice of

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Collaboration in Recent YearsOn Our Back Porch at Sunset

helping people to develop mastery in the world instrument becomes an integral part of Voice
of energy. Sidra describes this process as teaching Dialogue and the Psychology of Selves. We
people how to play their own instruments have not written a separate book on the
so as to be able to meet the world within and energetics of relationship, but it is included
the world outside with ever increasing levels of in our book Partnering and in the CD sets
subtlety and imagination. And, as we age, we find The Aware Ego and Partnering: The Art
this ability to dance with the energies is truly one of Conscious Relationship. For the energetics
of the loveliest gifts imaginable. of Voice Dialogue, see Robert Stambolievs The
Recently Sidra had a dream in which three Energetics of Voice Dialogue.
women in their mid 90s came to our home
to teach us about aging. What they basically THE seventh ELEMENT
taught is that as we get older our relationship to Partnering
energetics becomes more and more important. Using Relationship as
We had to learn at ever deepening levels how Teacher, Healer, and Guide
to run our own energies, how to call up the In the last ten years, weve begun to think of our
necessary energies to do whatever it is that we kind of relationship as a partnering relationship.
needed to do. A partnering model of relationship is a non-hi-
Thus it is that learning to play our energetic erarchical way of being with someone. This way

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of thinking about relationship can be applied to connection to the dream process that is shared
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all relationships but its primary focus has par- in the relationship. We have seen that, over time,
ticular application to ongoing primary relation- the dreams can become an increasingly power-
ships. In addition to being non-hierarchical it is ful inner teacher both in our lives and in our
also seen by us as being a serious Joint Venture in relationships.
both a personal and business sense. The concept of a Joint Venture also has
As part of this Joint Venture, both people major consequences. Every aspect of relation-
must be surrendered to some level of a psycho- ship involves a joint decision making process.
spiritual process in their own personal lives There is nothing wrong with one person being
and also surrendered to such a process in their responsible for taking care of finances. It is
relational lives together. It is important here to simply that the other person cannot abdicate
understand that the surrender is not to the other responsibility for finances. The other person
person but to the relationship itself. must not become an unconscious daughter or
The ability and willingness to surrender to son just because someone else is taking the
the process of relationship has a number of major responsibility for a particular area. In a
major consequences. For one thing, your part- partnership, both partners are liableeven if
ner/friend becomes your teacher just as you one has a special expertise or interest in one
become their teacher. Another way of thinking aspect of the business of living.
about the Partnering Model is simply to think In this light, an ongoing partnering relation-
of it in the sense of Relationship as Teacher. ship can be seen in part as a serious business
There is another consequence to this process. venture between two people, one that requires a
We gradually learn to embrace the disowned good deal of time and energy. We strongly rec-
selves that we carry for each other. This happens ommend business meetings where the business
over a very long period of time. Ultimately we issues of life can be dealt with. That may sound
come to the discovery that in each of us lives an unromantic, but if there arent regular business
introject of our partner. Sidra is learning about meetings, then the business of lifethe require-
the energy configurations in her that correspond ments of everyday livinghave a tendency to
to Hal. Hal is learning about the energy configu- invade all available space and to be handled
rations that correspond to Sidra. This is a very unconsciously.
exciting process and one that allows a continuing We live our lives most of the time out of
conscious separation of the two people and a yet our primary selves. This changes as we do our
deeper clarity regarding the whole issue of bond- psycho-spiritual work. We begin to have a choice
ing patterns. about who is going to live our lifeor, as we like
There is an extensive ongoing learning process to say, who is going to drive our psychological
where both people must learn the basics of the car. As partners we must decide over and over
psychology of selves, the Aware Ego Process, again who is going to do what and when. Who is
the consciousness model, the work with bonding going to call the friends about the party? Who is
patterns, the understanding of energetic realities, going to take the clothes to the cleaner?
and the relationship to the physical body. There Default unconsciously decides whatever part-
evolves an ever deepening relationship to the ners do not decide consciously together. This is
spiritual dimension and, hopefully, there is some analogous to the default position on a computer.

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The computers we use came with default settings each of you. The gradual integration of what-
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for each application; there are hundreds of de- ever it is that the partner carries for us greatly
fault positions. They work, but theyre generic. If enhances our ability to make conscious decisions
you want to use the computer in a more personal, and choices.
creative and artistic way, then you must learn The psychological work is essential to discover
how to change these settings so that you have who is running our lives and who is living our
real choice as to how it will operate. relationships. The spiritual work is essential because
If you wish to have a more creative, imagina- without a sense of spiritual reality / God / Higher
tive and sensual connection to each other, you Intelligence our lives cannot expand beyond purely
need to be constantly handling the business and personal considerations. The work with energetic
personal decisionsdetermining what belongs reality is essential because for a truly satisfying
to each of you at a certain time and then work- relationship, the primary energetic connection must
ing out who does what. In this way, you do not be between the two people involved.
live your relationship via default positions, which All of this is an ongoing process that can
simply means through your primary selves. last forever. One of the greatest surprises and
Instead, you are a teamconstantly working delights of our aging process is the amount of
together to support the Aware Ego Process in change, creativity, and intimacy that remains for

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us in a true partnering relationship. The continu- in an ever more powerful way, and we found that
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ing support of our dreams is truly awesome, and the dream process itself was becoming the teacher
the profound power of the Intelligence of the for people. We had experienced this earlier in our
Psyche becomes more and more of an everyday own lives as we watched how the unconscious or-
affair accompanying our ongoing and ever-pres- ganized itself and seemed to have its own agenda
ent dance with the world of bonding patterns. for our development.
What is this intelligence? Where does it come
THE eighth ELEMENT from? What does it want from us? And how does
it manifest in our lives?
Dreams, Daydreams and the We became aware of the fact that the dream
Intelligence of the Unconscious ego, or how the dreamer appears in his or her own
Accessing the Inner Teacher dream, gives us a picture of how the primary self is
As we mentioned earlier in this article, dreams behaving. This seemed to be true of most dreams,
and visualization have always played an impor- though not all of them. Occasionally the dream ego
tant part of our explorations. At the very begin- would represent not the current primary self system
ning Sidra, in particular, was deeply impacted by (or operating ego) but instead, the disowned self.
a series of visualizations that initiated her into Then we began to ask for the daydreams or
some of the very deepest waters of the uncon- daytime fantasies of people. These are different
scious. With time the work with visualization from the visualizations of guided imagery. These
became less important to us as Voice Dialogue are not deliberately sought after like visualiza-
and the dream process became more primary. tions; instead, they are going on much of the time
And in recent years we have found ourselves even though many people have no awareness at
placing an ever-increasing emphasis on the dream all that they are, in fact, daydreaming. These day-
process for ourselves and with our clients. We dreams play like background musicand nobody
have also enjoyed working with daydreams as we knows who put it on.
discovered how daytime fantasies provided a gold For example, imagine that you are driving in
mine of information about what is happening in your car and someone passes you and then cuts
peoples lives (including ours). in front of you. You are angry and, in your mind,
What we first became aware of was the fact you begin to talk to that driver, expressing your
that when people began to develop an Aware Ego outrage at what happened. This can go on for a
Process and were able to stand between opposites, long period of time and can totally destabilize
the nature of their dreams began to change. They you. Some people will continue this daydream
became clearer. They become more organized. and imagine that they drive after the other person
We have always known this at some level, but and deliberately crash into him and hurt him.
somehow our understanding and appreciation of Others will have just a momentary flash of fury
this process changed. We watched clients begin or a fleeting image of destruction.
to decode their own dreams in relatively short The you of the daydream generally gives us a
periods of time, depending, in large measure, on picture of your disowned self. Your primary self may
the strength of the Aware Ego Process. be calm, controlled and rational. The disowned self
As this process continued, we saw that the that emerges in your daydream is an energy that
intelligence of the unconscious began to manifest carries the rage, anger, and resentment that is gener-

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ally kept under control. We found that by listening organic movement within us whereby the uncon-
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to peoples daydreams and by making them aware scious itself becomes our teacher and gradually
that they are having daydreams, they begin to get a the bonding to the outside teacher diminishes in
picture of a disowned self. strength. The role of the outer teacher changes to
Once the picture is clear, then there is the that of a consultant to process. Finally, even this
chance to explore the self. In this example, there is no longer necessary and the inner teacher takes
is a chance to learn how to stand between the over completely. We have had the deep satisfac-
control and rationality of the primary self that tion of watching this happen to more and more
continues to drive carefully and the more uncivi- people. And so it is that Hal has revisited his
lized part of us, the angry, destructive self that can Jungian roots, and this work with dreams and
be so frightening to the rational, controlled side. daydreams has become one of the basic elements
Rather than trying to change ourselves of Voice Dialogue and the Psychology of Selves.
which is always a problematical thing to do One of the greatest surprises for us as Hal ap-
what seems to be required of us is a surrender to proaches his 80th birthday and Sidra approaches
the unconscious itself as we learn to trust that her 70th birthday is the ongoing nature of this
the intelligence it makes available to us has a intelligence as it continues to unfold and bring
plan and direction for us. The surrender we refer to both of us new understandings of matters
to is not that of a passive child who gives up all both personal and transpersonal. It has helped us
responsibility. It is, rather, a surrender to a kind of prepare for aging and it continues to help us with
knowing that is not ordinarily available to us. The all the gifts and the challenges that come at this
deeper problems of life can seldom be solved by time of life.
the rational mind alone. We need the mind, its God, the Greater Intelligence, the lan
true, but it is only one of our resources. vital, the Organizing Principle of the Universe,
The ignition of this intelligence is not the whatever you prefer to call it, manifests in many
same as having a particular religious, or enlight- ways. We feel privileged to have been a part
enment, experience. Instead, it is an ongoing pro- of this manifestation in the work that we have
cess that seems to clarify and deepen the Aware shared over the past 35 years. And, as we observe
Ego. It wants to help us see who it is in us that is the various manifestations of this intelligence all
living our lives so we can learn to take over from around us, and as we feel the organizing princi-
that part (or self ) and live our life with ever more ples behind them, we cannot help but feel assured
choice. This is not short-term work. As weve said, that God is indeed a mathematician.
it is a process that continues forever! Others have discovered this organizing mys-
We are well aware of the fact that not every- tery in their workwhether it was with math-
one remembers dreams and we can only be grate- ematics, the cosmos, the subatomic world, the
ful that there are so many different approaches to field, the physical body, the structure of cellsor
consciousness that can be utilized in the journey in a variety of spiritual practices, both ancient and
of personal growth. Yet, we cannot help but be modern. For us, this intelligence has found us, as
amazed at how often the act of standing between we have found it, in the depths, the complexity
opposites will initiate a dream process or to and the infinite richness of human relationship.
deepen an already existing one.
Where all of this leads is to a natural and Albion, 2007
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