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Nf : ehk; vg;nghOJk; Foe;ijiag; Nghd;W nray;gl

Ntz;Lkh ?
= : ehk; Foe; i jahf ,Uf; F k; N ghJ gpur; ; r idfs;
vJTk; ,y; y hky; ,Uf; f pNwhk; . mwpT tsu
tsu> gpur;rpidfSk; tsu;e;J nfhz;Nl
,Uf; f pd; w d. Foe; i jf; F Xh; mbg; g ilahd
mwpAk; jd; i k mike; J s; s J. me; j mwpAk;
jd;ikapy;jhd;> xt;nthU nra;jpahf Nru;j;Jf;
nfhz;Nl tUfpNwhk;. mJjhd; ekJ
epidTfshfg; gjpthfpd; w J. mg; g bg; gjpthd
epidTfs; j hk; ; Foe; i jj; jd; i kia mOj; j p
gytP d g; g Lj; j ptpLfpd; w d. fpwp]; j t kjj; j py;
$wg;gLk; Mjhk; Vths; fijapYk; $l> mtu;fs;
,UtUk; Kjypy; Foe; i jj; ; jd; i kAlNdNa
,Ue;jjhfTk;> gpwF mtu;fs; mwpT kuj;jpd;
goj;ijr; rhg;gpl;ljdhy;> jq;fSila Foe;ijj;
jd; i kia ,oe; J tpl; l jhfTk; $wg; g LfpwJ.
mjd; gpwFjhd; mtu; f Sf; F ey; y J nfl; l J
vd; w ghFghLk; > tpUg; G ntWg; G k; Vw; g LfpwJ.
NkNyhl;lkhfg; ghu;jj ; hy;> mwpTjhd; ekf;F cjtp
nra; t JNghy; Njhd; W fpwJ. Mdhy; ek; K ila
cz;ikahd epiy> me;jf; Foe;ij epiyjhd;.
me;j fs;sk; fglkpy;yhj epiyjhd;> ek; kdj;jpd;
,aw; i fahd epiy. ek; K ila epidTfs;
cyff;fhupaq;fSf;F gad;glyhk;. Mdhy; mit
ekJ Foe;ijj; jd;ikiaNa - ekJ mbg;gilj;
jd; i kiaNa - ghjpj; J tpLfpd; w d. mq; F xU
rkepiy Vw;gl;lhy;jhd; ekJ epidT - mwpT -
rupahdnjhU gad;ghl;bw;F tUk;. mij tpl;L
tpl;L ekJ mwpT> ekJ Foe;ijj; jd;ikia
KOikahf Mf;fpukpf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy;> ekJ mwpNt
ekf; F vjpupahfp tpLfpd; w J. ehk; midtUk;
Foe;ijahf ,Ue;Jjhd; ,g;NghJs;s epiyf;F
te;jpUf;fpNwhk;. ehk; Foe;ijahf ,Uf;Fk;NghJ
ekf; F vjpupfs; vtuhtJ ,Ue; j pUf; f pwhu; f sh?
mg;NghJ ekf;F Ntz;lhjtu;fs; vd;W vtUNk
fpilahJ.
ekJ mwpT tsu;e;j epiyapy;jhd; ekf;F
Ntz; b atu; f s; Ntz; l hjtu; f s; vy; N yhUk;
Vw;gl;LtpLfpwhu;fs;. ey;yJ nfl;lJ> Ntz;baJ
Ntz;lhjJ vd;w vy;yh ghFghl;ilAk;> ekJ
mwpTjhd; nfhLf;fpwJ.
ekJ mwptpd; Mjpf; f k; > ve; j msTf; F
fl;Lg;ghl;by; cs;sNjh me;j msTf;F> ekJ
,aw; i fahd Foe; i jj; jd; i kAk; > ghjpg; G
milahky; cs; s J. ehk; vg; n ghOJk; ekJ
,aw;ifahd epiyapy;jhd; ,Uf;fpNwhk;. mwpT
jhd; ekJ ,aw;ifahd epiyia Mf;fpukpj;J
tpLfpwJ. mg;gb Mf;fpukpf;fhky; ghu;jJ ; f;nfhs;s
Ntz;LtJ jhd; ekJ flikahFk;.
mg;gb Mf;fpukpf;fhky; ,Ug;gjw;F ehk; vd;d
nra;a Ntz;Lk;? ehk; Qhdk; vd;W $WfpNwhk;.
mJ Xu; mwpthu;e;j epiy vd;Wjhd;
mu;jj; g;gLfpwJ. Mdhy; mwpit cd;djg;gLj;Jk;
xU epiyay;y mJ. ekJ mwptpd; ,ayhikia
kdg; g +u; t khf Vw; W f; n fhs; S k; epiyjhd; mJ.
me; e piyapy; ekJ mwpT ehd; j hd; nra; N td;
vd; w gpbthjj; i j tpl; L tpLfpwJ. ek; K ila
gpbthjk; Fiwaf; Fiwa> ekJ fs;sq;fglkw;w
jd;ikapd; epiy> cau;tilfpd;wJ.
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 gpbthjk; Fiwe; j epiyapy; > mwpT xU
fUtpahf ,Ue; J nray; g LfpwJ. gpbthjk;
mjpfkhd epiyapy;> ekJ mwpT xU fu;jj ; hthfr;
nray;gLfpd;wJ.
ekJ mwpT ,g;gb fu;j;jhthfr;
nray;gLk;NghJ> mJ jd;id kl;LNk Kd;dpiyg;
gLj;Jfpd;wJ. ,J vdf;F Ntz;baJ> ,J vdf;F
Ntz;lhjJ@ ,J vdf;Fg; gpbj;jJ> ,J vdf;Fg;
gpbf;fhjJ vd mJ jdJ gpbthjj;ij Kd;dpiyg;
gLj;JfpwJ.
ekJ Foe;ijj; jd;ikia ehk; nfhz;Ltu
Ntz; b ajpy; i y. mJ vg; N ghJk; ,aw; i fahd
epiyahf ek;NkhLjhd; ,Ue;Jnfhz;bUf;fpwJ.
ehk; gpbthjj; i j jsu; j ; j pdhy; > mJ jhdhf
nraYf;F te;JtpLfpwJ.

Nf : vy;NyhUf;Fk; Vd; rkkhd mwpT fpilf;ftpy;iy?

mwpitf;nfhz;Ljhd; ,e;j rKjhaNk
tsu; e ; J s; s J. mwpT Ntz; l hnkd; w hy; > ,e; j
rKjhaj;jpd; tsu;rr ; p FWfpg;Ngha;tpLk;.
= : mwpit Ntz;lhnkd;W ehd; $wtpy;iy.
gpbthjj;ijj;jhd; Ntz;lhnkd;W ehd;
$WfpNwd;. gpbthje;jhd; xU Kul;Lj;jdj;ijf;
nfhz;Lte;JtpLfpwJ.

Nf : mwpT Vd; xUtUf; n fhUtu; tpj; j pahrkhd

jd;ikapy; cs;sJ?
= : vy;NyhUf;Fk; xNu khjpupahd mwpT ,Ug;gjw;F
rhj;jpakpy;iy. mJ NjitAk; ,y;iy.
kUj;JtUf;Fj; Njitahd mwpT nghwpahsuplk;
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 ,Uf; f hJ@ nghwpahsUf; F j; Njitahd mwpT
kUj;Jtuplk; ,Uf;fhJ. mwpT ,q;F gpur;rpid
my;y. mJ mjpfkhfTk; ,Uf;fyhk;> my;yJ
FiwthfTk; ,Uf;fyhk;. cz;ikahd gpur;rpid
ekJ gpbthje;jhd;. fglkw;w jd;ikjhd; Kf;fpa
gq; F tfpf; f Ntz; L k; . mjd; xU gFjpahf
kl;LNk mwpT nray;gl Ntz;Lk;. Mdhy; ,q;F
,Uf; F k; epiyikNa NtW. xU gf; f j; j py;
gpbthjKk;> ,d;ndhU gf;fj;jpy; mwpTk; kl;LNk
,Ue;J nray;gLfpwJ. fglkw;w jd;ik vd;gJ
fhzhkNyNa Ngha; t pLfpwJ. eP q ; f s; ,e; j f;
Foe;ijj; jd;ikNahL ,Ue;Jnfhz;L mwpNthL
nray;gLtJjhd; rupahd rkepiyahFk;. ,q;F
eP q ; f s; vjpu; g hu; f ; f f; $ ba ey; y tpisTfs;
midj;Jk; Vw;gl tha;gG ; s;sJ.

Nf : ekf;Fg; gpur;ridfs; te;Jnfhz;Nl ,Uf;fpd;wd.

ehk; Foe;ijahf ,Ue;J vijAk; rpe;jpf;fhky;
xJq;fpf;nfhs;s Kbatpy;iy.
= : Foe;ijahf ,Ug;gnjd;gJ kNdhuPjpahf
kl; L k; j hd; . vdf; F vJTk; njupahJ vd; W
xJq; f pg; N gha; t pLtjy; y . eP q ; f s; mwpTs; s
Foe;ijahfptpLfpwPu;fs;.
QhdpapDila ,yl; r zk; mg; g bj; j hd;
$wg;gLfpwJ. Foe;ij vd;gJ mwpahikapdhy;
Foe;ijahf ,Uf;fpwJ. Qhdp> mwpTs;s
Foe; i jahf ,Uf; f pwhu; . rhuhrup kdpjidg;
nghWj;j mstpy; Foe;ijj; jd;ikf;Fg; gjpyhf>
fglj; jd;ik kpFe;Js;sJ. mjdhy;> jd;idg;
gpujhdg;gLj;Jk;; Nghf;F Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ.
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Nf : cyfk; KOtJk; ,g; g bj; j hd; fglj; j d; i k>
tQ;rfk; Mfpait epiwe;Js;sd. ,tw;iw ehk;
vg;gb rup nra;tJ ?
= : cyfk; ekf; F f; fl; L g; g l; l jy; y . mjdhy;
cyfj; i j rupnra; t J rhj; j paky; y . Mdhy;
ek;ik ehNk rupnra;Jnfhs;sKbAk;. ek;Kila
gpbthjj;ij tpl;lhNy> ek;ik ehNk
rupnra;Jtplyhk;.

Nf : rptepiy vd;why; vd;d ?

mij miltJ vt;thW ?
= : rptepiy vd; g ij> ehk; milaNtz; b a xU
epiyahf vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy; mJ rupay;y. ehk;
ve;j epiyia mile;jhYk;> mJ ek;iktpl;Lg;
Ngha;tpLk;.
mij mila ehk; kP z ; L k; kP z ; L k; Kaw; r p
nra;jhf Ntz;Lk;. cz;ikahd epiy vd;gJ>
mJ Vw; n fdNt ek; k plk; ,Uf; f f; $ ba xU
epiyahf ,Uf; F k; gl; r j; j py; > mJ vg; N ghJk;
ek; k plNk ,Uf; F k; . mJ vg; N ghJk; ek; k plNk
cs; s J. mij ek; K ila nkhopapy; fs; s k; ;
fglkw; w jd; i k vd; W Fwpg; g pLfpNwhk; . ehk;
gpwe;jJ Kjy; mJ ek;NkhLjhd; ,Uf;fpwJ.
ek;Kila mwpthy; mJ kiwf;fg;gl;L cs;sJ.
mij mila Kaw; r p Njitapy; i y. mJ
,Ug; g ij milahsk; fz; L nfhz; l hy; kl; L k;
NghJk;. mijf; fz;Lg;gpbg;gjw;F vJ ,ila+whf
,Uf; f pwJ vd; W ghu; j ; j hy; > ekJ mwpTjhd;
mg;gb ,ila+whf ,Uf;fpwJ.

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 ekJ mwpNt jdf; F md; d pakhf vijNah
fz;Lgpbf;f Kaw;rp nra;fpwJ. jdf;F
md;dpakhf VNjh ,Ug;gjhfTk; mJ fw;gid
nra; J nfhs; f pwJ. mg; g b ehk; VNjh xd; i wj;
NjbNdhkhdhy;> mjw;fhf ehk; Kaw;rp nra;Ak;
NghJ> ehk; NjbaJ $l ekf;Ff; fpilf;fyhk;.
mg; g b fpilj; j g; g pwFjhd; ehk; cz; i kahfj;
Njba nghUs; mJty; y vd; g J njupatUk; .
ehk; NjLtijg; gw;wpa rupahd epu;zak; ekf;Ff;
fpilj;Jtpl;lhy;> Njitaw;w NjLjy; epd;WtpLk;.

Nf : ehk; njupe;Jnfhz;lijr; nray;gLj;jp

mDgtj;jpw;Ff; nfhz;Ltu Ntz;lhkh ?
= : topfnsy;yhk; jtW vd;W $wp topfs;
midj; i jAk; iftpLkhW $WtJjhd; ehk;
fhl;Lk; top. VNjh xU ghijiaf; fhl;b> ,g;gbg;
Ngha; vijahtJ milAq;fs; vd;W ehk; ve;jg;
ghijiaAk; fhl;ltpy;iy. vy;yhg; ghijfSk;
jtwhdit vd; g ijj; j hd; fhl; b j; jUfpNwhk; .
vy;yh topfisAk; tpl;Ltpl;lhy; ePq;fs; vq;Nf
,Ug;gPu;fs;? ePq;fs; Nghtjw;F ,lNk ,y;yhky;
ePq;fs; vq;Nf ,Uf;fpwPu;fNsh> mq;NfNa ,Ue;J
tpLtPu;fs;. ehd; miltjw;F top fhl;ltpy;iy.
tpLtjw;Fjhd; top fhl;LfpNwd;.

Nf : mjdhy; vd;d gad;?

= : gaidg; gw; w p eP q ; f s; Nfl; F k; N ghNj> eP q ; f s;
miltjw;F cq;fs; kdjpy; VNjh ,Uf;fpwJ
vd;gJ jhd; njspthfpwJ. Mdhy; miltjw;F
vJTk; ,y; i y vd; g ij kl; L Nk cq; f isf;
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 fz;Lgpbf;fr; nrhy;fpNwhk;. ePq;fs; nrd;idf;F
bf;nfl; vLj;Jtpl;L ePq;fs; VNjh xU g];]py;
VWfpwPuf ; s;. ,e;j g]; nrd;idf;F NghfhJ vd;W
$wptpLfpwhu;fs;. ePq;fs; me;j g];i] tpl;L
,wq; f ptplkhl; B u; f sh vd; d ? me; j g]; ] py;
epr;rakhf ePq;fs; gazj;ijj; njhlukhl;Bu;fs;.
eP q ; f s; miltjw; F vJTk; ,y; i y vd; W
fz;Lgpbj;j khj;jpuj;jpy;> cq;fs; kdk; epd;Wtplj;
jhNdnra;Ak;?

Nf : gpwtpg; gaid mila vd;d nra;aNtz;Lk;?

= : gpwtpg; gad; vd;W vjidf; Fwpg;gpLfpwPuf ; s;?
Nf : ,iwtid czu;tijj; jhd; gpwtpg; gad; vd;W
Fwpg; g pLfpNwd; . cq; f s; fUj; J f; f s; vdf; F
gad;gLtjhfj; njupatpy;iy.
= : xt;nthUtuJ kdKk; xt;nthU tpjkhd miy
tupirapy; nray; g LfpwJ. vdJ fUj; J f; f s;
vy; y h miytupirf; F k; nghUe; J k; vd; W $w
KbahJ. ehk; midtUk; Nru Ntz;ba ,lk;
xd;whf ,Ue;jhYk;> ehk; ,Ue;Jnfhz;bUf;Fk;
,lk;> jdpj;jdpahfTk;> jdpj;jdp
miytupirapYk; cs; s J. ehk; ,Uf; F k;
,lj;jpypUe;J tUtjw;F> jdpj;jdp
ghijahfj;jhNd ,Uf;fKbAk;?

Nf : ,iw czu;tpy; tpj;jpahrk; ,Uf;Fkh?

= : ,iw czu;T vd;w ngaupy; ePqf ; s; VNjh xd;iw
fw;gid nra;Jnfhs;syhk;. ePqf
; s; Kaw;rp nra;J
mjid milaTk; nra;ayhk;. Mdhy; mg;gb
miltJ vJTk; cz; i kahd ,iw czu; T
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 my;y. mJ cq;fs; Kaw;rpapdhy;
cUthf; f g; g l; l Xu; czu; N t MFk; ; ; . me; j
czu; i t eP q ; f s; milAk; tiuapYk; > mJ
xU gpuk;khz;lkhd czu;thfj; Njhd;Wk;. mij
ePqf
; s; mile;j gpwFjhd;> ehk; mila Ntz;ba
czu;T ,Jty;y> vd;W njupAk;. gpwFjhd; ehk;
epidg;Nghk;> ,e;j czu;Tf;fhfth ehk; ,t;tsT
J}uk; ghLgl; N lhk; vd; W . Mdhy; miltjw; F
Kd;ghfNt ehk; mijg;gw;wp Gupe;J nfhz;Nlhk;
vd; w hy; > Muk; g j; j pNyNa ,e; j j; NjLjypy;
<Lgl;bUf;fkhl;Nlhk;. ePq;fs; NjLjiy
epWj; j ptpl; l hy; cq; f s; kdk; mJ Nghf; f py;
,aq;f Muk;gpj;JtpLk;. ePq;fs; mjid
,af;Ftjpy;iy. jhdhf ,aq;Fk; kdJ
jd;idj;jhNd J}a;ikg;gLj;jp tpLfpwJ. ehkhf
,af; F k; kdJ jd; i dj; J}a; i kg; g Lj; j pf;
nfhs;shJ. mJ jd;id NkYk; NkYk;
rpf;fyhf;fpf;nfhz;LtpLk;.

Nf : rhl;rpahf ehk; nray;gl Ntz;Lkh ?

= : rhl;rp epiy vd;W $Wk; NghNj> ehk; ekf;F xU
jFjpiaAk;> epiyiaAk; Vw;gLj;jp tpLfpNwhk;
my; y th ? mg; g b ehk; rhl; r pahf nray; g lj;
Njit ,y;iy. ekJ kdijr; rPuikf;f ehk;
vj; j idNah MAjq; f is itj; j pUf; f pNwhk; .
mtw; W s; xd; W jhd; rhl; r p ghtidahfr;
nray;gLtJ. ve;j MAjq;fshYk; ekJ
kdijr; rPuikf;f KbahJ. ehk; vy;yh
MAjq; f isAk; iftpl; L > epuhAjghzpahfr;
nray;gLk;NghJ> ekJ kdk; jhdhfNt
rP u ilfpd; w J. ehk; MAjq; f isg; gpuNahfk;
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 gz;zpdhy;> ekJ kdJ mtw;iw vjpu;nfhs;Sk;
tifapy; NkYk; El;gkhf khwp> mJ jd;idj;
jf;f itj;Jf;nfhs;fpwJ. ehk; vJTNk nra;ahj
epiyapy; > ekJ kdk; jhkhfNt jd; i dr;
Rj;jg;gLj;JfpwJ.
Nf : Gupjy; Vw;gl;lJ GupfpwJ. MdhYk; Gupjy; js;spg;
NghfpwJ@ ,JTk; GupfpwJ. vd;djhd; nra;tJ ?
Gupjy; Vw; g Lk; N ghJ ed; w hf cs; s J@ Mdhy;
,J njhlu;rr ; pahf ,y;iyNa Vd; ?
= : Gupe;Jtpl;lJ vd;W ehk; Rk;kh nrhy;y khl;Nlhk;.
ekf;F Vw;gl;l tpisitg; nghWj;Jjhd;> ekf;Fg;
Gupe;J tpl;lJ vd;W $wpapUf;fpNwhk;. MdhYk;
$l ekf;F xU epiwT fpilf;ftpy;iy. ehk;
vy;yhtw;iwAk; mDgtk; vd;Dk; jFjpapy; jhd;
itj;J itj;J gofpapUf;fpNwhk;. ey;y
mDgtq;fspy; xU epue;juj;jd;ikia
vjpu;ghu;g;gJk; ekJ gof;fkhf ,Uf;fpwJ. ekJ
fl;Lg;ghl;Lf;Fs; mJ nray;glNtz;Lk; vd;Dk;
vz;zk; ekf;F mike;Js;sJ. mjdhy;
mDgtj;jpd; jFjpia> ekJ GupjYf;Fk;
nfhLj;JtpLfpNwhk;. Mdhy; mDgtk; NtW@ Gupjy;
NtW. Gupjy; vd;gJ> Gupe;jhy; mJ Gupe;jJjhd;.
Gupatpyi; y vd;W> gpwF mjidf;$wptplKbahJ.
ehk; Gupe;Jnfhs;stpy;iyNah vd;w re;Njfj;ij
ek; ; kdJ Vw; g Lj; j ptpl; l jhy; > gpwF me; j
re;NjfKk;> nfhQ;rk;nfhQ;rkhf tYtilaj;
Jtq;FfpwJ. ehk; Gupe;Jnfhz;Nlhk; vd;gjw;fhf
ekJ mDgtq;fis vy;yhk; ekJfl;Lg;ghl;Lf;Fs;
nfhz;Lte;Jtpl KbahJ. mDgtq;fs;
midj;Jk;> ekJ ,ay;Gf;F Vw;wthW> jhkhf
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Vw;gl;LtpLfpd;wd. ekf;F Ntz;lhj rpy
mDgtq; f s; tUk; N ghJ> ehk; rupahfg; Gupe; J
nfhs; s tpy; i yNah> ehk; Gupe; J nfhz; b Ue; j hy;
ekf;F ,j;jifa czu;Tfs; te;jpUf;ff; $lhNj
vd;W ekJ Gupjiyf; Fiwj;J kjpg;gpl;Ltplf;
$lhJ. ek; K ila nkhj; j ,ay; G fSk; khw
Ntz;Lnkd;why;> mjw;F ,d;Dk; nfhQ;r fhy
mtfhrk; Njitg;gLk;. rpy ,ay;Gfs;> filrp
tiuapYk; $l> ekf;Fj; Njitg;gLk;> mtrpakhd
,ay;Gfshff; $l ,Uf;fyhk;.
ekJ ,ay;Gfspy; rpytw;iw> Nkhrkhdit vd;W
Kj;jpiu Fj;jp itj;jpUg;Nghk;. ekf;F NfhgNk
Vw;glf; $lhJ vd;W KbT nra;jpUg;Nghk;. Mdhy;
ekJ tho;tpy; Nfhgg;glNtz;ba mtrpak; $l
Vw;gl;Ltplyhk;. mjdhy; ekf;F Ntz;lhj ,ay;G
vd;W vijANk $w KbahJ. gag;gl Ntz;ba
mtrpak; tUk; N ghJ> gaKk; mtrpakhd Xu;
czh;Nt. fhyg;Nghf;fpy; ekJ vy;yh czh;TfSk;
xU fl;Lg;ghlhd vy;iyf;Fs; te;JtpLk;. Mdhy;
me;jf; fl;Lg;ghl;il vjpu;ghu;j;J> ehk; bkhz;l;
nra;Njhk; vd;why;> mJjhd; vy;yhg;
gpur; r idfisAk; nfhz; L te; J tpLk.; ,e; j f;
Nfs; t papd; Nehf; f k; $l xU epue; j ukhd
jd;ikiaAk;. kNdhhPjpahd nrk;ikahd
epiyiaAk; vjph; g hu; g ; g jhf mike; J s; s J.
Gupjypy; nrk;ikahd epiy Ntz;Lk; vd;gJk;>
kNdhuPjpahd nrk;ikahd epiyia vjph;ghHg;g ; Nj
MFk; . vj; j ifa vjpu; g hu; g ; G ,Ue; j hYk; mJ
rupahdJ md;W. vjph;ghu;g;G ,y;yhj epiyapy;>
vJ ,Uf; f pd; w Njh> mjid mg; g bNa Vw; W f;
nfhs;tJjhd; rupahdjhFk;. Vw;Wf;nfhs;tijj;
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 jtpu NtW topNa ,y;iy vd;w epiyapy; mjid
Vw;Wf;nfhs;fpNwhk;. Vw;Wf;nfhs;tJjhd; rupnad;W>
ehk; mjidj; Nju;en ; jLj;J Vw;Wf;nfhs;stpyi
; y.
Nf : typiaAk; NtjidiaAk; ifapy; gpbj; J f;
nfhLj;jJNghy; Mftpy;iyah ?
= : mg; g bj; j hd; ,Uf; f pwJ. mij mg; g bj; j hd;
vLj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k.; Mdhy; mij ehk;
itj; J g; ghJfhf; f Ntz; L k; vd; w mu; j ; j j; j py;
mg; g bf; $ wtpy; i y. ekJ ,ay; g py; cs; s it
fz;bg;ghf ntspg;glj;jhd; nra;Ak;. mJ mg;gb
ntspg;gLfpwJ vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.
Nf : njupe; N jh njupahkNyh ehk; mij vjpu; j ; J
tpLfpNwhk;. ,JjhNd gpur;rid ?
= : Mkhk; mg;gbj;jhd;. ,J ,g;gb ,Uf;ff; $lhJ@
xU ey;y epiy Ntz;Lk; vd;w vjpu; ghu;gG ; jhd;
gpur; r idiaf; nfhz; L te; J tpLfpwJ. ehk;
gaj;jpNyh my;yJ Jf;fj;jpNyh ,Uf;Fk;NghJ
mjpypUe;J tpLgl Ntz;Lk; vd;w vz;zk; ek;ik
mwpahky; $ l Vw; g l; L tpLtJ cz; L . ek; i k
mwpahky; vJ Vw;gl;lhYk;> mjw;F ehk; nghWg;G
fpilahJ. ehkhf Kide; J > tpLgl Ntz; L k;
vd; W Kaw; r p nra; j hy; j hd; mJ jtwhFk; .
upahf;rDf;F upahf;rd; ek;ik mwpahky; Vw;gl;L
tpLtJ cz;L. mjpy; jtNwJk; fpilahJ. Gupjy;
vd;gJ> ehk; nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy
vd;gijf; fz;Lgpbg;gJ kl;LNk. mj;Jld; ekJ
Gupjy; Kbtile;J tpLfpwJ. ekf;F jLkhw;wk;
Vw; g l; L tpl; l jhy; > ekJ GupjYk; jLkhw; w k;
mile;Jtpl;lJ vd;W Fok;gpf;nfhs;s Ntz;lhk;.
vJthf ,Ue;jhYk>; mJ xU epiyahd
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 ];jpuj;jd;ik miltjw;F nfhQ;r fhy mtfhrk;
vLf;fj;jhd; nra;Ak;.

Nf : GupjYf; F g; gpd; d hy; > rpyUf; F tpuf; j pAk; >

Nghubf;Fk; epiyAk; Vw;gl;L tpLtjhff;
$Wfpwhu;fs;. vdf;Fk; mg;gb xU Mokhd tpuf;jp
Vw;gl;LtUfpwJ. Vd; ,g;gb Vw;gLfpwJ ?
= : mfj; j stpy; ehk; nra; t jw; F vJTk; ,y; i y
vd; W ehk; fz; L gpbj; j J> Gwr; n raypYk; mJ
gpujpgypj;JtpLfpwJ. vjpu;fhyNk Kf;fpaj;Jtj;ij
,of;Fk;NghJ> ,g;gbg; Nghubf;Fk; epiy Vw;gl;L
tpLfpwJ.

Nf : miltjw; F vJTk; ,y; i y vd; w epiyapy; >

xU gpuk;khz;lkhd ntWik ek;ik Mf;fpukpg;gJ
Nghy; Njhd;Wfpd;wJ.
= : mfj;jstpy; ve;j msTf;F nra;tjw;F vJTk;
,y; i y vd; W ,Uf; f pNwhNkh> me; j msTf; F
ntspKfkhd nray; f spy; Mu; t k; fhl; L k;
NghJjhd;> ekJ mfKk; GwKk; rkepiyg;gLk;
tha; g ; G Vw; g LfpwJ. mg; g b ntspNa ehk;
nra; t jw; F VjhtJ ,Ue; j hy; j hd; > mjw; F
Ntz;ba Mu;tj;ijAk; jPtpuj;ijAk; Vw;gLj;jpf;
nfhLf;f ek; kdJ Kd; tUfpwJ. jPtpuj;jd;ikia
( vigor ) Vw; g Lj; j Ntz; L k; vd; W ehk; Kaw; r p
nra; a j; Njitapy; i y. ntspapy; nra; t jw; F
nray; f s; ,Uf; F k; N ghJ> mjw; F j; N jitahd
jPtpuj;jd;ik> jhkhf Vw;gl;LtpLk;.

Nf : mfj; j stpy; ehk; nra; t jw; F vJTk; ,y; i y

vd;gijg; Gupe;Jnfhs;tJjhd; Qhdkh ?
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= : Mk; . mg; g bg; Gupe; J nfhs; t ij Gupjy; vd; W
ehk; $WfpNwhk;. mg;gbg; Gupe;jjd; fhuzkhf
ek; kdk;> jdJ nray;ghl;bd;; mikg;ig NtW
gupkhzj;jpw;F khw;wpf;nfhs;fpwJ. mjid ehk;
tpLgl;l epiy vd;W $WfpNwhk;.

Nf : tpahghuj;jpy; <LgLk;NghJ Vw;gLk; epidTfs;>

ehk; Rk;kh ,Uf;Fk; NghJk; tuj;jhNd
nra;fpd;wd?
= : mJthf te;jhy; te;Jtpl;Lg; Nghfl;Lk; vd;W
tpl;Ltpl Ntz;Lk.;

Nf : tpLgl; l epiyjhd; cau; e ; j epiyah? mJ

vd; d epiy? mjw; F Nkyhd epiy vJTk;
fpilahjh?
= : mij xU epiy vd; W k; vLj; J f; n fhs; s yhk; .
Mdhy; mJ xU epiy my;y. vy;yhtw;iwAk;
Rygkhf Vw;Wf;nfhs;sf;$ba xU jFjp epiy
jhd; mJ.
Nf : rpd;d ehd;> ngupa ehd; vd;W ukzu; $Wfpwhu;.
ePqf
; s; $Wk; gputhfj;ij me;j ngupa ehd;
vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhs;syhkh?
= : mg;gb vLj;Jf;nfhs;syhk;.
Nf : ePqf; s; ,Uf;Fk; epiyjhd; ,Wjpahd epiy vd;W
Njhd;Wfpwjh? ,jpYk; cau;ej ; jhf VNjh xd;iw
mila Ntz;baJ cs;sjh?
= : ,Jjhd; ,Wjp epiyahfj; Njhd;WfpwJ. vy;yhNk
Mw;wpidg;Nghy; Xbf;nfhz;bUf;fpd;wJ. ,jw;F
KbtplNk fpilahJ.

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Nf : ePqf
; s; vg;gb ,jidf; fz;Lgpbj;jPuf
; s; ? ePqf
; s;
,e; j epiyf; F te; j topiaf; $wpdhy; mJ
vq;fSf;F cjtpahf ,Uf;Fk;. rpWfr; rpWf
xt;nthU khw;wkhf Vw;gl;L> KO khw;wj;jpw;F
te;Jtpl;Bu;fsh? my;yJ NtW tifahd
khw;wkh?
= : rpWfr; rpWf> gbg; gbahf Vw;gl;l khw;wk; vd;W
,jidr; nrhy;y KbahJ. nra;tjw;F xd;Wk;
,y;iy vd;W njupe;Jnfhz;l khj;jpuj;jpy;> me;j
mj; j pahak; > KOtJkhf Kbe; J Ngha; t pl; l J.
kNdhuP j pahf vd; d epfo; e ; j hYk; > mjidr;
rP u ikf; F k; vz; z k; Vw; g Ltjpy; i y. epfo; t J
midj;Jk;> vdJ Kbit cWjpg;gLj;JtjhfNt
mike;Jtpl;lJ. mjw;F khw;Wf; fUj;J ,Ug;gjhf
ve;j re;ju;gg ; Kk; Vw;gltpy;iy. ntsp cyfpy;
nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;w gpur;rpid vdf;F
Vw;gltpy;iy. ehd; njupe;J nfhz;lij
kw;wtu;fSf;Fj; njuptpf;fNtz;Lk; vd;w
Ntiyia ehd; ifapy; vLj; J f; n fhz; l jhy; >
vdf;Fntsp cyfKk; Kf;fpaj;Jtk; cilajhf
,Ue;jJ. mjdhy; tpuf;jp kdg;ghd;ik vJTk;
vdf; F Vw; g ltpy; i y. Mu; t j; J ld; nray; g l
nray;fs; ,Ug;gjhy;> ntsp cyfk;> vd;idg;
nghUj; j mstpy; > tpupe; J jpwe; J ,Uf; f pwJ.
cs; N sAk; > ntspNaAk; ve; j nray; f isAk;
itj; J f; n fhs; s hky; ,Uf; F k; epiyg; g hL>
rd;dpahrpfSf;Fkl;Lk; nghUj;jkhdjhFk;. %d;W
ehl;fSf;FNky; Xu; ,lj;jpy; jq;f$lhJ vd;gJ>
mtu; f Sf; F tpjpf; f g; g l; l fl; L g; g hL. mjdhy;
mtu;fSila KO tho;f;ifiaANk

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 capNuhl; l khf (lively) khwptpLk; . mtu; f s;
xt;nthU ehSk; GJg;GJ R+o;epiyiar; re;jpf;f
Ntz;baJ Vw;gLk;.
Mdhy; ekJ tho;tpy; xNu R+o;epiyia kPzL ; k;
kPzL
; k; re;jpf;f Ntz;batu;fshf ,Uf;fpd;Nwhk;.;
mq;Nf rhjpg;gjw;F gpuk;khjkhf vJTk; ,y;yhj
epiyapy;> xU rypg;Gk; > t p u f ; j p A k ; V w ; g l
tha;gG; s;sJ. mfj;jstpy; gpuk;khz;lkhf
vijNah rhjpf;fNtz;Lk; vd;w epiyapy; ehk;
,Uf; F k; tiuapYk; > me; j j; NjLjNy> ek; i k
cw;rhfg;gLj;jp te;jpUe;jJ. mfj;jstpy; mg;gb
vijAk; milaj;Njitapy;iy vd;w epiyapy;
mJ rk; k e; j g; g l; l cw; r hfKk; ek; i k tpl; L g;
Ngha; t pLfpwJ. mjdhy; Vw; g l; l ntw; w plj; i j
ntsp cyf eltbf;iffspy; nfhz;l <Lghl;bd;
%ykhf> XusT <Lfl;lyhk; vdj;Njhd;WfpwJ.
vd; i dg; nghWj; j stpy; mfj; j stpy; vijAk;
nra;aj; Njitapy;iy vd;w KbTf;F te;jTld;>
kpfg;ngupa ghuj;ijf; fPNo ,wf;fp itj;jijg;
Nghd;w epk;kjp vdf;F Vw;gl;lJ.

Nf : tUfpd;w vz;zq;fis vy;yhk; mg;gbNa

Xltpl;Ltpl;lhy;> vd;Dila nraiy ehd; vg;gbr;
nra;tJ? ,q;F vd;Dila fu;kh vd;gJ
vd;d?
= : ekJ FLk;gj;jpw;fhfNth> rKjhaj;jpw;fhfNth ehk;
vijahtJ nra;atpUk;gpdhy;> me;j tpUg;gj;ij>
ek; K ilajhf mq; f P f upj; J (Adopt) mjd; g b
me;j nraypy; <LgLfpNwhk;.

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Nf : ehd; vd;Dk; ,af;fk; vg;gb Vw;gLfpd;wJ?
= : ehd; vd;Dk; czu;T> ek;Kila rpe;jidia
Mjhukhff;nfhz;Nl Xu; cUtj;ijAk;>
jFjpiaAk; ngWfpwJ.

Nf : ehd; vd;gJ xU epidT kl;Lk;jhdh ?

= : ek; midtUf; F k; > mbg; g ilahf Xu; czu; T
epiy (consciousness) cs;sJ. me;j mbg;gil
czu;Tld;> ekJ rpe;jid fyf;Fk;NghJ> ehd;
vd; D k; mk; r k; > cUtk; n fhs; f pwJ. rpe; j id
GjpJ Gjpjhf tUtijg; N ghy; > ehd; vd; g Jk; >
GjpJ Gjpjhf te;J nfhz;bUf;fpwJ. xt;nthU
Neuj; j pYk; ehd; vd; g jd; mDgtk; xt; n thU
tpjkhf mike;Js;sJ. xU rkak; kfpo;r;rp
cs;s ehdhfTk;> ,d;ndhU rkak; JauKs;s
ehdhfTk;> ,g;gbg; gytpjkhd jd;ikAs;s ehd;
Mf mike;Js;sJ. ehd; vdJ Jauj;jpypUe;J
tpLglNtz;Lk; vd;W epidg;gJ> xUtu;
,d;ndhUtuhf khw tpUk;Gtijg; Nghd;wNj.
,e;j mDgtk; Ntz;Lk;> ,e;j mDgtk; Ntz;lhk;
vdf;NfhUtJ vd;gJ> ,e;j ehd; Ntz;Lk;> me;j
ehd; Ntz;lhk; vd;W NfhUtijg; Nghd;wNj.
Nf : ehd; vd;gJ> ekJ rpe;jid vd;W
Fwpg;gpLfpd;wPu;fs;. vdf;Fg; Gupjy; Vw;gl;Ltpl;lJ
vd;W$wpdhy;> vdJ rpe;jidjhd;> mg;gbg; Gupe;J
nfhz;lJ vd;W mu;jj ; kh ?
= : mg; g bj; j hd; vLj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; . rpe; j id
vd;W ehk; $WtJ> ekJ kdjpy; cs;s xU
ntspg; g hlhFk; . Gupjy; vd; g J kdjpy; j hd;
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 Vw; g LfpwJ. kdJf; F Mjhukhd Md; k htpy;
,J Vw;gLtjpy;iy.

Nf : Gupjy; elg;gJ vtUf;Fj; njupfpwJ ?

= : kdJf;Fjhd; Vw;gLfpwJ.

Nf : kdJ vd;gJ> czh;T epiyiaf; Fwpf;fpwjh ?

= : czh; T - Md; k h vd; g njy; y hk; > kdjpw; F
MjhukhdJ. mJ kdJ my; y . rpdpkh glk>;
jpiuapy; XLfpwJ. jpiu vd;gJ czh;T epiy.
mjpy; njupAk; glk; vd;gJ> ekJ kdk;.

Nf : ,q;F Gupjy; Vw;gLtJ ve;jg; gFjpapy; ? ekJ

czh;tpyh> my;yJ kdjpyh ?
= : czh;T epiy ,y;yhky;> kdk; vd;W vJTk;
fpilahJ. jpiu ,y;yhky; glk; vJTk; fpilahJ.
MdhYk; $l glj;ij kl;Lk;jhd; ehk; fzf;fpy;
vLj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; . kdij kl; L k; j hd;
fzf;fpy; vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.

Nf : ntWk; mwpTG+h;tkhd Gupjy; kl;Lk

; ; NghJkh ?
= : mjhtJ ekJ fUj;Jg;gb> Qhdk; vd;why; vd;d
vd;gij xUtu; fUj;jstpy; GupeJ
; nfhz;lhy; $l>
mth; Qhdk; ngw;Wtpl;ljhfj; jhd; mh;jj ; k;.
mjhtJ> ntWk; Gj;jpg;G+h;tkhd Gupjy; kl;Lk;
NghJk; vd;gNj ekJ fUj;J. czh;T G+h;tkhfg;
Gupe;Jnfhs;Sjy; vd;W Xu; mZFKiw
cs;sJ. mwpTG+u;tkhf Kjypy; Gupe;Jnfhz;L>
gpwF czu;TG+u;tkhfg; Gupe;J nfhs;sNtz;Lk;
vd;gJ> toptopahff; $wg;gLk; Xu; mZFKiw
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MFk;. Mdhy; ek;ikg; nghUj;jstpy; mwpT
G+u;tkhd Gupjy; kl;Lk; NghJkhdjhFk;.
ntWk; Gj; j p G+u; t khd Gupjy; kl; L k; vg; g bg;
NghJkhdjhf ,Uf;f KbAk; ? ehd; Nfs;tpg;gl;l
xU rk;gtk;. xU fijahfTk; ,Uf;fyhk m ; y;yJ
cz; i kahfTk; ,Uf; f yhk; . ke; j puthjp xUtu;
ke;jpuj;ijr; nrhy;yp> ghk;Gf;fb tprj;ij ,wf;fp
te; j hu; . ,isQd; xUtd; mtuplk; me; j
ke;jpuj;ijr; nrhy;ypj;jUkhW> gy fhykhff;Nfl;L
te; j hd; . gy fhykhf mtu; mtidj; jl; b f;
fopj;Jte;jhu;. mtd;; mtiu tpLtjhf ,y;iy.
mtu; mtDila njhe;juT nghWf;f Kbahky;>
njhe;juT gz;zhky; J}ug;Ngh! vd;W
jd;Dila jha; nkhopahd> njYq;F nkhopap;y;
fj;jpdhu;. njYq;F njupahj me;j ,isQDf;F
mJ vd;dntd;W Gupatpy;iy. mJ jhd;
ghk; G f; f b ke; j puNkh vd; W epidj; J > me; j
ke;jputhjpaplk;> ,Jjhd; ghk;Gf;fb ke;jpukh?
vd;W Nfl;lhd;. mtUk;> ,Jjhd; ghk;Gf;fb
ke;jpuk; vd;W $wptpl;lhu;.
me; j ,isQDk; > njhe; j uT gz; z hky;
J}ug;Ngh vd;gij ke;jpukhf epidj;J n[gk;
nra;J te;jhd;. mtDila n[gj;jpw;F ghk;G
tprj;ij ,wf;Fk; rf;jp Vw;gl;Ltpl;lJ.
me;j ehl;by; cs;s murpia ghk;G fbj;Jtpl;lJ.
ke;jputhjpiaf; $g;gpl;L rpfpr;ir mspj;jhu;fs;.
ke; j puthjp vj; j id vj; j idNah ke; j puq; f is
nay; y hk; $wpAk; tprk; ,wq; F tjhf ,y; i y.
murpapd; epiy kpfTk; Nkhrkhfptpl;lJ. ahNuh
nrhd;dhu;fs; vd;W> me;j ,isQidf; $g;gpl;L
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mDg;gpdhu;fs;. ,isQDk; te;J jdJ
ke;jpuj;ij xNu xUKiw jhd; n[gk; nra;jhd;.
mLj;j tpdhbapNyNa> murpAila tprnky;yhk;
,wq;fptpl;lJ.
,q;F ke;jpuj;ij tpl> me;j ,isQdpd; tpRthrk;
jhd; Kf;fpakhf cs;sJ. me;j ke;jputhjp kpfTk;
Mr;rupag;gl;Lg;Nghdhu;. jhd; ke; j puk; nrhy; y pf;
nfhLf;fhjjhy;> NtW vtuplNkh fw;W
te;jpUf;fpwhd; vd;W epidj;J> vtuplk; ,e;j
ke; j puj; i jf; fw; W te; j ha; ? vd; W Nfl; l hu; .
,isQDk; me; j ke; j puthjpaplNk mjidf;
fw;wjhff; $wpdhd;.
me;j ke;jputhjpAk; Mr;rupag;gl;L mtu; fw;Wf;
nfhLj; j ke; j puj; i jf; $Wk; g bf; Nfl; l hu; .
,isQDk; jhd; fw; w ke; j puj; i j mtuplk;
$wpdhd; : njhe; j uT gz; z hky; J}ug; N gh!
,q; N f ek; g pf; i fjhd; Ntiy nra; j pUf; f pwJ.
ehk; Gupe;J nfhz;Nlhk; vd;W nrhy;Yk; NghJ>
mJ Ntiy nra; A k; . Mdhy; mjw; F vjpuhf
,d;Dk; xU fUj;ij itj;Njhkhdhy;> me;jg;
Gupjy; Ntiy nra;ahJ. ehk; Gupe;j gpwF> ehk;
Gupatpyi
; y vd;W epidj;jhNyh> ,d;Dk; nfhQ;rk;
Mokhfg; GupaNtz; L k; vd; W epidj; j hNyh>
ekJ Gupjy; gytPdk; mile;JtpLk;. ehk; Gupa
Ntz;baJ ,t;tsTjhd; vd;W jpUg;jp mile;J
tplNtz;Lk;. ekJ Gupjiyj; jho;thf kjpg;gpl;L
tplf;$lhJ. ,Jjhd; Gupjy; vd;W ehk; Gupe;J
nfhz;l epiyapy;> ekJ kdJk;> ,Jjhd; Gupjy;
vd;W jdf;Fs; vjpnuhyp nra;aNtz;Lk;.
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ntWk; Gj;jp G+u;tkhd Gupjyhf ,Ue;jhYk; $l>
cs;Ns VNjh xU khw;wk; Vw;gl;L tpLfpd;wJ.
Mdhy; ekJ ifapy; ,Ug;gJ ,j;jifa Gj;jp
G+u;tkhd Gupjy; kl;LNk. me;jg; GupjYf;F vjpuhf
ehk; N tW VjhtJ fUj; i j my; y J Kbit
cs; N s mDg; g pdhy; kl; L Nk ekJ Gupjy;
gytPdg;gl;L tpLfpwJ. ,e;epiyapy; ekf;Fs;Ns
ehk; ,Utifahd fl;lisfis mDg;gp
tpLfpNwhk;. ,jdhy; ehk; ve;jf;fl;lisia Vw;Wf;
nfhs;tJ vd;W njupahky; ek; kdjpw;Fs;NsNa
Fog; g k; Vw; g l; L tpLfpwJ. xUKiw vd; D ila
miyNgrpapy; ez;gUila ngaiug; gjpT nra;J
itj;jpUe;Njd;. mtuplkpUe;J miog;G tUk; NghJ>
mtuJ ngau; ntspg;gltpy;iy. mJ vd;dntd;W
Ma;T nra;J ghu;f;Fk;NghJ> mtUila ngau;
,uz;L jlit ,uz;L tpjkhfg; gjpT nra;ag;gl;L
,Ug;gJ njupej ; J. mjdhy; mq;F rupahd tpisT
Vw;gl Kbahky; Ngha;tpll ; J.
mg; g b ehk; ekJ GupjYf; F vjpuhf ,d; D k;
xU fUj;ij Vw;gLj;jhky; ,Uf;Fk; NghJ> ekJ
GupjNy cs;Kfkhf Vw;Wf; nfhs;sg; gl;L> ekf;F
ve; j r; r e; N jfKk; Vw; g lhj tifapy; ekJ kd
,af;fk; $l khwp mike;J tpLfpd;wJ.
ehk; Gupe;Jnfhs;tJ vd;W $WtJ
vd;dntd;why;> ekJ kNdh uPjpahd czHTfs;
rk;ge;jkhf ehk; nra;tjw;F vJTkpyi ; y vd;gijg;
Gupe; J nfhs; t Nj. mg; g b ehk; Gupe; J nfhz; l
epiyapYk;> ehk; kNdh uPjpahf xU nrk;ikahd
epiyia milaNtz;Lk; vd;W epidg;Nghkhdhy;>
mg;NghJ ekJ Gupjy; gytPdkhfptpLfpwJ.
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 kNdh uPjpahf ehk; miltjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy
vd;W Gupe;J nfhz;l epiyapy;> ek;kplk; ,Uf;Fk;
epiyf; F ehk; mDkjp nfhLj; J tpLfpNwhk; .
ek; k plk; ,aq; F k; czHTfSf; F kdG+Htkhd
mDkjpiaf; nfhLj;J tpLfpNwhk;. mg;gb ehk;
mDkjp nfhLf;Fk; epiyapy;> ekJ kdk; ,ul;il
epiyia vLg; g jpy; i y. vJ vJ ,Uf; f pwNjh>
mjNdhL ,izaf; $ba jd; i kf; F te; J
tpLfpwJ. mg;gb ,y;yhj gl;rj;jpy;> vijahtJ
khw;wp mikf;f Ntz;Lk; vd;w Nghul;lj;
jd;ikf;Fg;Ngha;tpLfpwJ.
Nf : Gupjiy ehk; jpUk;gj; jpUk;g rq;fy;gk; nra;J
nfhs;sNtz;Lkh?
= : rq;fy;gkhf ,Uf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy; mq;NfAk; xU
Kaw;rp> XH milAk; ,lk;> XH ,yf;F Vw;gl;L
tpLfpwJ. MfNt rq; f y; g k; Njitapy; i y.
Mdhy; ehk; gy fhupaq; f Sf; F rq; f y; g j; i j
gad;gLj;jp tUfpNwhk;. ekf;F ehNk Rafl;lis
nfhLj; J tUfpNwhk; . ,g; g b rpy Ntis ekJ
gof; f j; j pd; fhuzkhf ,ijAk; rq; f y; g pf; f
Neu;eJ
; tpLfpwJ. ehk; nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy
vd; W ekf; F ehNk nrhy; y pf; n fhs; s Neu; e ; J
tpLfpwJ. ,JTk; ek; i kawpahky; Vw; g l; l jhf
vLj;Jf; nfhs;s Ntz;LNk jtpu> ehk;
kdg;G+u;tkhf ,g;gb rq;fy;gpf;fj; Njitapy;iy.
Nf : Ra tpUg;gj;Jf;F (Will) Ntiy ,y;iy.
= : Mkhk;. kNdh uPjpahd epfo;itg; nghUj;jstpy;
Willful Action --- (Ra tpUg; g j; N jhL $ba
nraYf;F)f;F tha;g;Ng fpilahJ. kNdh
uPjpahd epfo;Tfs; midj;Jk; mJ Nghf;fpy; jhd;
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 epfoNtz; L k; . mg; g b Will ful Mf ---- Ra
tpUg;gkhf ehk; vijahtJ ek;ik mwpahky;
nra; J tpl; l hy; > mijAk; ek; i k mwpahky;
epfo; e ; J tpl; l nrayhfNt vLj; J f; n fhs; s
Ntz; L k; . ek; i k mwpahky; nra; J tpl; N lhk;
vd; g ij czu; e ; j fzj; j pNyNa> ehk; mg; g b
ek; i k mwpahky; nra; t jpypUe; J tpLgl; L
tpLfpNwhk.; mg; g b tpLgl; l gpwFk; > ehkhf
Kide;J mJjhd; rup vd;w epiyapy;
nray;gl;lhy;jhd; mJ Willfull M f r ;
nray;gl;ljhFk;.

Nf : mg;gb nray;gLk; NghJjhd; ehk; ekJ

vz;zj;Jf;F capu; nfhLj;JtpLfpNwhk;.
,y;iyah ma;ah?
= : Mk;> mg;gb capu; nfhLf;fhtpll
; hy; me;j ,af;fk;
mg;gbNa tYtpoe;JNgha;tpLk;.
Nf : cyff; fhupaq;fs; vd;W tUk; NghJ kl;Lk;>
ekf; F Vw; g Lk; czu; T fisf; ifapy; vLj; J
mjw;F capH nfhLg;gJ> cyff; fhupaq;fisg;
nghUj;j mstpy; mtrpak;@ ,y;iyah ma;ah?
= : Mkhk; . mg; g bj; j hd; . cyff; fhupaj; i jg;
nghUj;j mstpy; ehk; ekJ czu;TfSf;F capu;
nfhLg; g jd; %yKk; cyff; fhupaq; f isr;
nrk;ikahfTk;> Njitf;Fj; jFe;jgbAk; nra;J
Kbf;f KbAk;.
ekf;F ehk; nra;Ak; nray;fspy; VjhtJ xU
jlq; f y; Vw; g Lk; N ghJ> ekf; F kd tUj; j k;
Vw;gLfpwJ. me;j tUj;jj;ij ehk; mq;fPfupg;gjd;
%yNk ehk; me;jj; jlq;fypypUe;J tpLgLtjw;fhd
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 Kaw;rpfspy; <LgLfpNwhk;. jlq;fy; Vw;gLk;NghJ
ehk; tUj;jk; milahky; ,Ue;jhy;> ehk; me;jj;
jlq; f is mg; g bNa Vw; W f; n fhz; L > mjidr;
rPuikf;f Kaw;rp nra;ahky; $lg;Ngha;tpLNthk;.
cyff; fhupaq; f Sf; F > ekJ czu; T fisf;
ifapy; vLj;Jf;nfhs;tJ kpfTk; mtrpaNk.
Nf : mNj gof; f j; j py; j hd; > ehk; ekJ kdijr;
rPuikf;fTk; Kaw;rp nra;J tpLfpNwhk;. ,y;iyah
ma;ah ?
= : kNdh uPjpahf ekf;F> gaNkh> J}f;fNkh Vw;gLk;
NghJ> kNdh uPjpahf ,g;gb tuf; $lhJ vd;W
,q;NfAk; rPuikf;Fk; Kaw;rpapy; <LgLtJjhd;
jtW.
Nf : ntspg;Gwkhf kl;Lk; Kaw;rpiaf; nfhLj;Jtpl;L>
cl; G wkhf kl; L k; Kaw; r piaf; nfhLf; f hky;
,Ug;gJ vd;gJ kl;Lk; ek;ikf; nfhQ;rk; jpzpw
itf;fpwJ.
= : ntspg;Gwf; fhupaq;fSf;F ehk; ek;ik mwpahky;
Kaw; r p nra; f pNwhk; . mg; g b ek; i k mwpahky;
ehk; ekJ ntspg; G wf; fhupaq; f Sf; F Kaw; r p
nra;Jnfhz;bUf;fpNwhk; vd;gijg; gpwF
czu;e;Jnfhs;fpNwhk;. mg;gb czHe;J
nfhz;lgpwFk;> mJ ntspg;Gwr; nrayhf ,Uf;Fk;
gl;rj;jpy;> ehk; kdk; tpUg;gj;JlNdNa> kdr;
rk;kjj;JlNdNa --- Willfull MfNt ehk; me;j
nraypy; <LgLtJjhd; rupahdjhFk;.
Mdhy; mfj; i jg; nghWj; j mstpy; ek; i kr;
rPuikf;f ek;ik mwpahky; Kad;why;
guthapy;iy. mwpe;Nj ek;Kila kd czu;T
fisr; rPuikf;f Kaw;rp nra;tJjhd; jtwhFk;.
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Nf : ek;Kila kdjpy; VjhtJ Nkhrkhd czu;Tfs;
Vw; g Lk; N ghJ --- VjhtJ Reaction Vw; g Lk;
NghJ> mij ehk; rup nra;a Ntz;lhkh?
= : mJ rk;ke;jkhf ehk; vJTk; nra;aj;
Njitapy;iy vd;W ehk; fz;Lgpbj;JtpLk;NghJ>
ehk; me;j czu;T rk;ke;jkhf vijANk nra;a
khl; N lhk; . xt; n thU fzj; j pYk; > VjhtJ Xu;
czu; T > ekJ #o; e piyf; N fw; g te; J nfhz; N l
jhd; ,Uf;Fk;. mJ rk;ke;jkhf ehk; vJTNk
nra;ahj gl;rj;jpy; mJNt jdJ topapy; nrd;W
kiwe;J Ngha;tpLk;. kNdh uPjpahd typ
czu;Nth> NtjidfNsh> ePqf ; s; mJ rk;ke;jkhf
vJTk; nra; a hj gl; r j; j py; mJ tpiuthf
cq;fis tpl;L kiwe;J tpLk;. ePq;fs; VjhtJ
nra;Ak; NghJjhd;> mJ ,d;Dk; nfhQ;rk;jhkjk;
milfpd;wJ.

Nf : Willfull Mf mij mg;Gwg;gLj;j Kaw;rp nra;Ak;

NghJ jhkjk; MfpwJ vd;W $WfpwPHfs;. mij
VjhtJ Xu; cjhuzj;Jld; $Wq;fNsd;.
= : kJiu md;gu; xUtUf;F xu gpur;rpid. mtu; Xu
mYtyfj;jpy; gzpahw;Wfpwhu;. mYtyu;fSf;nfd
xU nraw; $l;lk; xd;W ele;jpUf;fpwJ. jiyik
mYtyu; Kd;dpiyapy; midj;J mYtyu;fSk;
$b ,Ue; j pUf; f pd; w du; . $l; l k; ele; J nfhz; L
,Uf;Fk;NghJ> ,e;j md;gUila miyNgrpapy;
mtiu vtNuh miof; f Tk; > mJ xyp vOg; g p
,Uf;fpwJ. ,tu; clNd miyNgrpia epWj;jp
,Uf;fpwhu;. ,jdhy; mtu; kPJ> jiyik mYtyu;
Nfhgk; nfhz;bUf;fpwhu;.
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eP vg; g b miyNgrpia epWj; j p itf; f hky;
$l;lj;jpy; fye;J nfhs;syhk; vd;W $wp mtiu
NtW ,lj;jpw;F khw;wy; Nghl;L tpl;lhu;. ,tUf;F
mjpypUe; J kdNtjid Vw; g l; L J}q; f hky;
jtpj;jpUf;fpwhu;. ,jw;Fj; jPuT
; Nfl;L mtH ,d;Dk;
xU md;gu; %yk; jfty; nfhLj;jhu;. ,g;NghJ
mtUf;F Vw;gl;l gpur;rid Gwtag;gl;lJ. mtu;
jtWjyhf miyNgrpia epWj; j p itf; f hky;
,Ue;jpUf;fpwhu;. ,J jz;bf;fg;glf;$ba
mstpyhd Fw;wky;y. fz;ldj;NjhL
epWj;jpapUf;fyhk;. Mdhy; jz;lid nfhLf;f ; g;
gl;Ltpl;lJ. ,jdhy; ,e;j md;gu;> jhd;
gopthq; f g; g l; l jhf ,jid vLj; J f; n fhz; l hu; .
mjid epidf;Fe;NjhWk;> mtUf;Fs; xU kdf;
nfhjpg;G Vw;gl;Lte;jJ.
mtu; me;jj; jz;lid mjpf gl;rkhdJ vd;gjw;F>
Nky; KiwaPL nra;J mjw;F mtuhy; epthuzk;
Njbf;nfhs;sKbAk;. mtu; mjw;fhd
Kaw; r pfspy <Lgl Ntz; L tJ vd; g J Gwr;
nraNyhL Nru; e ; j J. mtu; mjw; F Ntz; b a
Kaw;rpfis> KO kdJld;> jhuhskhfr; nra;J
nfhs;syhk;.
Mdhy; mtUf;F Vw;gl;L te;j kd cisr;ry;
vd;gJ NtW tifahdJ. mJ KOf;f KOf;f
kNdhuPjpahdJ.
ele; j rk; g tk; meP j pahdJ vd; W epidf; F k;
NjhWk;> mtUf;F mJ kdtypiaf; nfhz;Lte;J
tpLfpwJ.
me;j epidT mtiu mwpahky; mtUf;F miy
miyahf te;J nfhz;bUf;fpwJ. me;j rpe;jid>
mtiu mwpahky; Vw; g Ltjhapd; > mJ rpwpJ
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 rpwpjhf mjd; Ntfj;ij ,oe;J tpLk;. Ie;J
epkplq;fSf;F xUKiw mij epidj;J te;j
mtu;> mjid mjd; Nghf;fpy; tpl;L tpl;lhy;>
vg;NghNjh xUKiw kl;Lk; me;j epidT mtUf;F
te;JNghFk;. xU Fwpg;gpl;l fhyj;Jf;Fg; gpwF
me;j rpe;jidNa tuhky; Ngha;tpLk;.
Mdhy; mg;gbj; jhkhf te;j rpe;jidia> ehkhf
mjid mq;ff P upjJ
; > ehKk; mjw;F cuk; NrHf;Fk;
tifahf> kdg; G +Htkhf> Mkhk; mtH vg; g b
ek; kPJ ,g;gb eltbf;if vLf;fyhk;> mtiu
tplf; $ lhJ vd; W ehk; vz; z ptpLfp; N whk; .
my; y J INah ! ekf; F ,g; g b kdNtjid
tUfpwNj! mlf; f Kbatpy; i yNa! vd; W
kdg;G+Htkhf vjpHg;G njuptpj;JtpLfpNwhk;.
,g;gb> jhkhf tUk; rpe;jidf;F ehkhf Kide;J
cap&l; b tpLfpNwhk; . mjdhy; > jhkhf te; j
epidTfSk;> czHTfSk; jhkhf kiwtjw;Ff;
fhyjhkjk; Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ.
me;jr;rpe;jidia ehk; fl;Lg;gLj;j epidf;fhky;>
mJ Nghf;fpy; tpl;L tpl;lhy;> mJ> tpiutpy;
xU jPHit> mJthfNt mile;J tpLfpwJ.
Nf : rhkhd;a vz;zq;fisf; $l> ,g;gb mDkjpf;Fk;
NghJ mjd; tY Fiwe;JtpLkh ma;ah?
= : vy;yhNk mg;gbj;jhd;.

Nf : czHTfs; nkhj;jkhf tUfpd; w d. mitAk;

jhkhfg; Ngha;tpLkh?
= : Mkhk; . jhkhfg; Ngha; t pLk; . ehk; VjhtJ
czHit> ekJ Gwj; Njitf;fhf mlhg;l; nra;J
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 nfhs;syhk;. Njitapy;yhtw;iw mg;Gwg;gLj;jj;
Njitapy;iy. mlhg;l; nra;ahky; tpl;L tpl;lhy;>
mJthfNt kiwe; J tpLk.; czHTfNs tuf;
$lhJ@ vz;zq;fNs tuf; $lhJ vd;W ek;ik
ciw epiyf; F f; nfhz; L Ngha; t plf; $ lhJ.
fk; g ; A +l; l iu vLj; J f; n fhz; l hy; > Xu; mk; G f;
FwpahdJ> Rje;jpukhf mq;Fk; ,q;Fk; efHe;J
nfhz;bUf;Fk; jd;ikAilajhf ,Uf;Fk;. ekf;F
Njitg;gLk; ,lj;jpy; mk;Gf; Fwpia epWj;jp>
mjw; F X.Nf. nfhLj; j hy; > mJ rk; k e; j g; g l; l
jfty; f s; ntspg; g l Muk; g pf; F k; . mk; G f; F wp
vq;NfAk; Nghf Kbahky; xNu ,lj;jpy; epw;fpwJ
vd;why;> mJ nray;glhky; epd;W Ngha;tpl;lJ
vd; W mHj; j k; . mJNghy; ekJ czHTfSk; >
epidTfSk; mJNghf; f py; Rje; j pukhf te; J
Ngha; f ; nfhz; b Ug; g Jjhd; rupahdJ. Gwr;
nraYf;Fj; Njitahd czHTf;Fk;>epidTf;Fk;
kl;Lk; ehk; X.Nf. nfhLj;J tpl Ntz;Lk;. mg;gb
X.Nf. nfhLj;J fpspf; nra;tJ> ek;ik mf
epiyapy; rupg;gLj;Jtjw;fhf ,Uf;ff; $lhJ.
Gwr;nray;fspd; epHthfj;jpw;fhf kl;LNk mg;gb
fpspf; nra;Jnfhs;syhk;. ehk; VjhtJ xU
epiyia ehLtJ vd;gJ ,af;fkw;w ---- ciwe;j
epiyahd ---- xU epiyiaj; NjLtNj MFk;.
vy; y hKk; mJNghf; f py; te; J nfhz; b Uf; F k;
epiyjhd; rupahd epiy.

Nf : ntspgG; w eltbf;iff;fhf kl;Lk; ehk; fpspf;

nra;Jnfhs;sNtz;Lk;.
= : Mkhk;. ntspglGw eltbf;iff;fhf kl;LNk ehk;
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 fpspf; nra;J mlhg;l; gz;zpf;nfhs;syhk;. Mdhy;
mfj; i jr; rupgz; z Tk; $l> ekJ kdNk
Nfhupf;if vOg;Gk;. gakpy;yhj epiy Ntz;Lk;@
Jf;fkpy;yhj epiy Ntz;Lk;> Mde;jkhd epiy
Ntz; L k; vd; W ekJ kdNj> ekJ kdij
rPuikf;Fk; tifapy; fpspf; nra;aj; J}z;Lk;.
Mdhy; mjw;F ehk; fpspf; nra;J tplf; $lhJ.
Nf : njspTf; F g; gpwF> tpUg; G ntWg; g w; w
kdepiy kw; W k; epfo; f hyj; j py; ,Uj; j y;
rhj; j pakhfpwJ vd; W N[. fpU\; z %u; j ; j p
$Wfpwhu;.
= : mg;gbj;jhd; ,Ue;J nfhz;bUf;fpwJ. epfo;fhyk;
vd;gJ vg;NghJk; ,Ue;J nfhz;Ljhd; ,Uf;fpwJ.
ehk; vijahtJ Ntz;Lnkd vjpu; Nehf;Fk; NghJ
jhd; gpur; r pid Vw; g LfpwJ. ehk; vij vjpH
Nehf;FfpNwhk; vd;why;> vjpHfhyj;ijj;jhd; vjpH
Nehf;Ffpd;Nwhk;;. epfo; fhyk; vg;NghJk; ,Ue;J
nfhz;Ljhd; ,Uf;fpwJ mjid ehk;> nfhz;L
tuj; Njitapyi ; y. vjpuf
; hyj;ij ehb XLtjhy;
epfo; f hyk; Kf; f paj; J tj; i j ,oe; J tpLfpwJ.
ehk; vjpu; Nehf;Fk; mk;rk;> Kaw;rp Mfpait
Kf; f paj; J tj; i j ,of; F k; N ghJ> vjpu; f hyKk
Kf; f paj; J tj; i j ,oe; J tpLfpwJ. vjpu; f hyk;
Kf;fpaj;Jtj;ij ,of;f> ,of;f> epfo;fhyk; gyk;
ngw Muk;gpf;fpd;wJ. vjpu;fhyk; ,y;yhtpl;lhy;>
,Ug;gnjy;yhk; epfo;fhyNk. NjLjyw;w epiyjhd;
epfo;fhykhf ,Uf;fpwJ.
Nf : epfo; f hyk; vd; W xd; W fpilahJ. vjpu; f hyk;
,Ug;gjhy; mjd; Relative aspect - njlu;Gj;jd;ik
fhuzkhf kl;LNk epfo;fhyk; ,Uf;fpwJ.
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= : Mkhk; . mNj Neuk; > vjpu; f hyk; Kf; f paj; J tk;
ngWtjd; msTf;F epfo;fhyk; Kf;fpaj;Jtj;ij
,of;fpwJ.
Nf : gputhfj; j py; ,Uf; F k; N ghJ> mij epfo; f hyk;
vd;W $wptplyhk;.
= : Mk;@ mg;gbj;jhd;.
Nf : mij fhl;rpjj
; d;ik vd;Wk; $wyhk;.
= : mg;gbAk; $wpf; nfhs;syhk;. mJTk; jhdhfj;
jhd; epfo; f pd; w J. ehk; mjidf; nfhz; L
tUtjpy; i y. rhl; r pj; jd; i kiaf; nfhz; L tu
Ntz;Lnkd;W ehk; tpUk;gpdhy;> mq;Nf xU bkhz;l;
Vw;gl;L tpLk;. xU NjLjy; Vw;gl;LtpLk;. mJ
xUNghJk; rhl;rpj; jd;ikahf ,Uf;fhJ. NjLjiy
tpl;l epiyapy;> ek;ikawpahky; rhl;rp epiyf;F
te;JtpLfpNwhk;.
= : rhl; r pj; jd; i kapy; njhlu; G cs; s J. xU
epfo;r;rpia ehk; rhl;rpahf ,Ue;J ghu;f;fpNwhk;
vd; w hy; > ekf; F k; me; j epfo; T f; F k; njhlu; G
cs;sJ. ehk; mjid ftdpf;fhkNyNa tpl;L
tpll
; hy;> mq;F ekf;Fj; njhlu;G ,y;yhky; Ngha;
tpLfpwJ. me;j epfo;tpdhy; ekf;Fg; ghjpgG ; vJTk;
,y;yhkYk; ,Uf;fNtz;Lk;. mg;NghJjhd; ehk;
,Uf; F k; epiy rhl; r pj; jd; i kahf ,Uf; F k; .
bkhz;l; ,y;yhj epiyapy;jhd; ghjpg;G vJTk;
ekf;F ,Uf;fhJ. bkhz;l; -- vjpu;ghu;gG ; ,y;yhj
epiyjhd; rhl;rp epiy.
Nf : ekf;F ,d;gNkh my;yJ Jd;gNkh Vw;gLfpwJ.
,J jhdhf efu;e;J Ngha;tpLk; vd;w mwpTg;
G; +ut
; khd Gupjy; kl;Lk; NghJkh ma;ah ?
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= : Mkhk;> mjid mjd;Nghf;fpy; efu;e;J
nrhy;Ytjhf vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.
Nf : mg;gb ehk; ekf;Fs; rq;fy;gpj;Jf;nfhs;Stjhf
rpy Ntis Neu;eJ
; tpLfpwNj ?
= : Mkhk; > mg; g b rpy Ntis ekJ gof; f j; j pd;
fhuzkhf Vw; g l; L tplyhk; . mg; g bNeHe; j hYk; >
mJTk; ek;ikawpahky; NeHe;JtpLtjhf
itj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; . ekJ Kaw; r pahy;
ehkhf Kide;J mjidr; nra;ahky; ,Ue;jhy;
NghJk;. ehk; ele;Jnfhs;tJ jtwhd nrayhf
,Ue;jhy; $l> ek;ikawpahky; epfo;ej ; pLk; NghJ>
mjidAk; rupahd nray; vd;Nw $w Ntz;Lk;.
mwpe;j epiyapy;jhd; ehk; mg;gb ve;jj; jtWk;
nra;af;$lhJ. mwpej ; epiyapy; mg;gbr; nray;gLk;
NghJjhd;> vjpu;fhyk; Kf;fpaj;Jtk; ngw;WtpLfpwJ.
mg;NghJjhd; epfo;fhyk; Gwf;fzpff ; g;gl;LtpLfpwJ.
Nf : epfo; f hyj; i j Vw; W f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; vd; g J
$lj; Njitapyi ; y.
= : Mkhk; @ Vw; W f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; vd; g J $lj;
Njitapy;iy. epfo;fhyk; $l jhkhf
epfo; e ; j pLtjhf Vw; W f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; .
xj;Jiog;G ,y;yhjthW ghu;j;Jf;nfhs;s
Ntz; L k; . kNdh uP j pahd ,af; f k; KOtJk; >
jhdhf epfo;tjhf ,Uf;fNtz;Lk;.

Nf : miltjw;F vJNth ,Uf;fpwJ vd;W ,Jtiu

ghLgl; L te; j jPtpu Mj; k rhjfu; f Sf; F
miltjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;W ePqf ; s; $Wk;
NghJk; > A.[p.fpU\; z %u; j ; j p ,g; g bf; $Wk;
NghJk;> mJ ngupa mjpur
; r
; pia vw;gLj;jptpLfpwNj.
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= : vd; i dg; nghWj; j tiuapy; > xU ngupa
nghWg; i gAk; > RikiaAk; ,wf; f p itj; j
upyhf;Nrridj;jhd; nfhLj;jJ. xU tpLjiyia
j h d ; n f h L j ; j J . , t ; t s T v s p i k a h f
,Uf; f pwNj@ ,jw; f hfth ehk; ,j; j id J}uk;
Kl;b Nkhjpf;nfhz;bUe;Njhk; vd;w Mr;rupak;
jhd; Vw;gl;lJ. ez;gu; xUtu; ,J gw;wpf; Fwpgg ; pLk;
NghJ> fz; ,ikiaj; jpwg; g jw; F > ]; F &
biutiuf; n fhz; L nrd; w JNghy; ,t; t sT
fhyKk; Njitaw;w Kaw;rpia Nkw;nfhz;bUe;
; pUf;fpNwhk; vd;W $Wthu;.
j
cz; i kapy; ]; F & biutiuf; nfhz; L NghFk;
NghJjhd; ,ik> NkYk; ,Uf; f khf %bf;
nfhs;fpwJ. cs;Ns nra;tjw;F xd;Wk; ,y;iy
vd;gJ> ntspg;Gwf; fhupaq;fspYk; gpujpgypf;Fk;
NghJjhd; rpyUf;F mJ xUtpj tpuf;jp epiyiaf;
nfhz; L te; J Nru; f ; f pwJ. mfj; i jg; nghUj; j
mstpy;> ehk; nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;W
,Ue;JtplNtz;Lk;.

Nf : rh]; ; j puq; f spy; > Rk; k h ,U vd; W $wg; g LtJ

,Jjhdh?
= : Mkhk;.

Nf : mfj;ijg; nghWj;j mstpy; Rk;kh ,Uj;jy;.

= : Mkhk;. ntspNaAk; Rk;kh ,Uf;fNtz;Lk; vd;W mJ
jtwhd Kiwapy; GupeJ; nfhs;sg;gl;ljhy;jhd;> Qhdk;
vd;gNj> Nfhbapy; xUtUf;Fj;jhd; fpilf;Fk vd;W
mJ xU kiw nghUshfptpll ; J. Mdhy; xU ruhrup
kdpjDila yl;rzNk Qhdepiyjhd;.
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M.F : gpwg;Gupik.
= : Mkhk;. nrhy;yg;Nghdhy; Foe;ijfs; midtUk;
,e;j Qhd epiyapy;jhk; ,Uf;fpd;wdu;. mwpT
Nru;e;Jnfhs;tjhy;> mJ gpwF khwp tpLfpwJ.
mtu;fSila mwpTjhd;> mtu;fSf;F vd;W xU
jdpj;j epiyia cUthf;fpf; nfhLf;fpwJ. me;j
mwpNt gpwF jdJ ,ayhikia czu; e ; J
nfhs;Sk; NghJ> ehk;> kPzL ; k; Kjypy; Gwg;gl;l
Foe;ijj; jd;ikf;Nf jpUk;gp tpLfpNwhk;.

Nf : ukzu; $Wk; ngupa ehd; jhd; gputhfk;

vd;W $wyhkh?
= : rh];jpuj;jpd; $w;Wg;gbjhd; ngupa ehd; cs;sJ.
ekJ eilKiw mDgtj;jpdg ; b ghu;fF
; k;NghJ>
rpdd
; ehd; ; kl;Lk; jhd; ,Uf;fpwJ. mJjhd;
gputhfj;NjhL njhlu;G nfhs;SfpwJ. rpdd ; ehd;
jhd; gputhfkhf khWfpwJ.

Nf : jpahdj;jpy; gy fhykhf <Lgl;L tUfpNwhk;. mij

epWj; J tJ vd; w hy; nfhQ; r k; Fog; g khfj; j hd;
cs;sJ.
= : jpahdk; vd;gNj kdij bA+z; nra;tJ jhd;@
tbtikg;gJjhd;. mg;gbr; nra;tjhy; mjw;Fupa
gyd; fpilf;fpwJ. mjdhy; gytpjkhd mDgt
epiyfs; Vw;gLfpdw
; d. Mdhy; me;j mDgtq;fs;
ekf; F j; njhlu; e ; J eP b f; f Ntz; L k; vd ehk;
mjd; kPJ gw;W xd;wpidAk; Vw;gLj;jpf; nfhz;L
tpLfpNwhk;. me;j jpahdj;jpdhy;> rf;jp VjhtJ

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 fpilf;Fk;NghJ> me;j rf;jp ekf;Ff; fpilj;J
tpl;ljhd xU epiwT ekf;F fpilf;fpwJ. ,g;gbg;
Gwj; j stpy; gad; gLtijg; Nghd; w xU
gad; g hl; i lj; j hd; ,J nfhLf; f pwJ. ehk;
nra;tjw;F xd;Wk; ,y;iy vd;W fz;L;
gpbg;gijf;$l xU jpahdk; vd;W $wp tplyhk;.
Mdhy; ,jDila tpisthf> ,j;jifa
jpahdNk xU KbTf;F te;J tpLfpwJ. bA+dpqi ; f
KOtJkhf epWj;jptpLfpwJ. mfj;ijg; nghWj;j
mstpy; VjhtJ bA+dpq; Njitg;gl;lhy;>
mJ jhdhf Vw; g Lk; Ml; N lh bA+dpq; f hf
(auto tuning) ,Ue; J tpLfpwJ. manual tuning
jhd; (ehkhf Kad;W tbt-ikg;gJjhd;)
Njitaw;wJ. ekJ jpahdj;jpd; %yk; VjhtJ
ey;y tpisTfs; Vw;gLk; gl;rj;jpy; mij ePqf ; s;
njhlHe;J Nkw;nfhs;tjpy; jtW fpilahJ. jPtpuj;
jd; i kia tpl; L tpl; L > tpisahl; l hfTk; >
MHtj; j pd; ntspg; g hlhfTk; mjid eP q ; f s;
Nkw;nfhs;syhk;. fhiyapy; fhyhw rpwpJ J}uk;
elf; f pNwhk; . me; j eilNa XH ,dpikahd
mDgtkhf ,Uf;fpwJ. VNjh gzpapd;; epkpj;jk;>
VNjh xU Nehf;fj;Jf;fhf ehk; mg;gb ele;J
nrd; w hy; > mJ ekf; F xU ghukhf ,Uf; F k; .
jpahdj;ijAk;> jpahdj;Jf;fhf kl;LNk ePq;fs;
nra;tjhdhy; mJTk; ey;y mk;rNk.
Nf : clYf;fhfTk;> kdJf;fhfTk; itj;Jf;
nfhs;syhk;.
= : Mkhk;. Gwf;fhupaq;fspy; <LgLk; NghJ> ehd; vdJ
kdij rydkpy; y hky; itj; J f; n fhs; N td;
vd;W ehk; ekJ kdij bA+d; nra;Njhkhdhy;>

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 mJ jw; f hypfkhfNt rhj; j pakhFk; . mJ xU
Nghuhl;lj;ijNa Vw;gLj;jptpLk;.

Nf : ekJ kd czHitNa jpahdg; nghUshf vLj;J

jpahdk; gz;zyhkh?
= : ukzu; $l mg;gb vLj;J gz;zr; nrhy;Yfpwhu;.
ehd; vd;Dk; czu;it jpahdpff ; r; nrhy;Yfpwhu;.
mg;gbr; nra;ayhk;. Mdhy; mJ ek;ik rkhjp
epiyf;Fj;jhd; ,l;Lr; nry;Yk;. njspT epiyf;F
mJ ek; i kf; nfhz; L NrHf; f hJ. jpahdj; j pd;
%yk; ey; y mDgtq; f s; fpilf; f yhk; @ rpy
mjPjkhd rf;jpfs; fpilf;fyhk;. Mdhy; ek;ik
ehNk Ma;eJ; tprhuk; nra;tjhy; kl;LNk> njspT
fpilf;fKbAk;.

Nf : jpahdKk; njspTk; NrHe; J ,Ue; j hy; ey; y J

vd; W epidf; f pNwd; . njsptile; j epiyapy;
jpahdj;ijAk; itj;Jf;nfhs;syhk; vd
epidf;fpNwd;.
= : Mkhk;. rupjhd;.
Nf : N[.Nf@ ukzu; kw;Wk; ma;ah cila Gupjy; ---
,tw;wpy; tpjj
; pahrk; cs;sjh?
= : vd;idg; nghUj;j mstpy; vy;yh QhdpfSila
GupjYk; vd;Dila Gupjy; khjpup cs;sjhfj;
jhd; ehd; fUJfpNwd;. Mdhy; ,Jtiu mtu;fs;
vtUk;> jq;fSf;F ,e;jg; Gupjy; vg;gb Vw;gl;lJ
vd; g ij mLj; j tu; f Sf; F tpsq; F k; g bahf
mjidr; ruptu tpsf;fpf; fhl;ltpy;iy. mtu;fs;
midtUNk mjid VNjh xU mkhD\; a

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epfo; t hff; n fhz; L te; J tpLfpd; w du; . mij
ruhrup kdpjNdhL njhlu; G gLj; J k; tifapy;
mwptpay; uPjpahf mjid mtu;fs; ruptu tpsf;fpf;
nfhLf; f tpy; i y. mJjhd; tpj; j pahrk; . Njdp
Rthkpia vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;> mtu;fs; mile;j
epiyf; F k; vdJ epiyf; F k; NtWghL vJTk;
fpilahJ. Mdhy; mtu;fs; mjid ntspg;gLj;jp
tpsf;Fk; Kiw NtW.
Njdp Rthkpiag; nghUj; j mstpy; > ehNd
mJ. ehNd guk;nghUs; vd;Dk; xU fUj;ijj;
jdf; F s; Cl; L fpwhu; . mjdhy; ehNd mJ
vd; D k; fUj; J ekf; F s; Vw; W nfhs; s g; g l; L
tpLfpwJ. ehNd mJ vd; g jw; F vjpuhf NtW
ve;jf; fUj;Jk; nfhLf;fg;glhj epiyapy;> ehNd
mJ vd; w fUj; J kl; L Nk nray; g LfpwJ.
me; e piyapy; > jdpg; g l; l ehd; vd; g jw; f hd
jdpg;gl;l nray; vJTk; ,y;yhky; Ngha;tpLfpwJ.
ehk; nra; t jw; F vJTk; ,y; i y vd; g ij
mtu; NtW Xu; mZFKiwapd; %ykhf rhjpjJ ;
tpLfpwhu;. Mdhy; mJ Neu;Kfkhd ghijay;y.
Rw; w p tisj; j epiyapy; > ehk; ngw; w mNj
KbTf;F te;J tpLfpwuh;. mjdhy; jhd;> jhd;
te; j topia> kw; w tu; f Sf; F j; njspTgLj; J k;
tifapy; nrhy; y Kbtjpy; i y. gf; j papy;
rudhfjpf;F tUk;NghJk;> vy;yh nray;fisAk;
,iwtdplk; xg;gilf;Fk; NghJ> ekf;F ve;jr;
nraYk; fpilahJ vd; w KbTf; F te; J
tpLfpNwhk;. me;epiyapy; rupahd tpisT Vw;gl;L
tpLfpwJ. Mdhy; ,g; g b epfo; t J Nfhbapy;
xUtUf;Fj;jhd; Vw;gLk;.

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Nf : kdg;G+Htkhf ruzhfjpapypUe;jhy; ,g;gb Vw;gl;L
tpLkh?
= : Mkhk;. Mdhy; mjw;F vjpuhf NtW VjhtJ xU
vjpu; g hu; g ; i g CLUt tpl; L tpl; l hy; > ruzhfjp
mk; r k; Ntiy nra; a hky; Ngha; t pLk; . ,uz; L
tpjkhf ehk; feeding nra;jhy; rupahd tpisT
Vw;glhJ.

M.F : ntspgg ; Lj;Jtjpy>; vy;yh QhdpfSf;F ,lNaAk;

fhyq; f hykhf xU Kuz; g hL ,Ue; J nfhz; N l
,Ue;jpUf;fpwNj ?
= : md;gu; xUtu; xU Rthkpiag;gw;wpa rk;gtj;ijr;
nrhd; d hu; . mtu; NtW xU Rthkpahuplk; >
gpuhzahkk; nra;Ak; fiyiaf; fw;wpUf;fpwhu;.
gpwF mtu; me; j gpuhzahkj; i jj; njhlu; e ; J
nra;jpUf;fpwhu;. jdJ FLk;gj;jhiuAk; Gwf;fzpj;J
me; j g; gapw; r papNyNa <Lgl; L ,Ue; j pUf; f pwhu; .
gy tUlq;fs; me;jg; gapw;rpapy; <Lgl;Lk; Qhdj;
njspT fpilf;fhj fhuzj;jhy; mij tpl;L tpl;L
up\pNfrk; nrd; W s; s hu; . mq; F cs; s tu; f s;
nrhy; y pf; n fhLj; j jpahdq; f isAk; nra; J
ghu; j ; j pUf; f pwhu; . vJTk; mtUf; F Ntz; b a
njspitf; nfhLf;ftpyi ; y. mjdhy; mtu; kdk;
ntWj; J g; N gha; t pl; l hu; . Qhdk; fpilf; f hj
epiyapy; capu; tho;e;Jjhd; vd;d gad; vd;w
epiyapy; capu; tplj; JzpeJ ; > kiyapy; cs;s
ghiw xd;wpy; kdk; cile;j epiyapy; gLj;J
fple;jpUf;fpwhu;. me;epiyapy; mtNu vjpug ; huhj
epiyapy; Qhdj; njspT mtUf;F Vw;gl;bUe;jp

- 36 -
 Uf; f pwJ. jdf; F ,J vg; g b Vw; g l; l J vd; W
mtiuNa mtu; Nfl;Lg; ghu;j;jpUf;fpwhu;.
gpuhzahkk; xd;iwj;jhd; mtu; ntF fhykhfr;
nra;J te;jpUe;jjhy;> mjdhy; kl;LNk me;jj;
njspTte;jpUf;f Ntz;Lk;> vd;w KbTf;F te;J
mijNa gyuplKk; njuptpjJ ; tUfpwhu;.
cz;ikapy; vJTk; cjttpy;iy vd;w ifaW
epiyapy;jhd; mJ Vw;gl;Ls;sJ. Mdhy; mtu;
mjid mg; g bg; Gupe; J nfhs; s hky; > jhd;
vg; N ghNjh nra; j gpuhzahkj; j pd; tpisthfj;
jhd; me;j epiy Vw; g l; l jhff; fUjptpLfpwhu; .
nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;gJ mtUf;Fs;
feeding Mdij mtuJ kdJ cs;Kfkhf Vw;Wf;
nfhz; b Uf; f pwJ. mjdhy; j hd; mtUf; F me; j
tpLjiy epfo;ej ; pUf;fpwJ.

Nf : mtu; Gj;jpgG
; +Htkhfg; GupeJ
; nfhs;stpyi
; yah ?
= : Gj; j pg; G+u; t khfj; j hd; Gupe; J nfhz; b Uf; f pwhu; .
Mdhy; mtuJ Gj;jp> Rthrg; gapw;rpjhd; fhuzk;
vd;W $wpapUf;fpwJ. mJ rupahd Gupjy; my;y.
Mdhy; jd;dhy; vJTk; nra;a Kbatpy;iy
vd; w KbTf; F te; j Gupjy; kl; L Nk rupahd
Gupjyhf ,Uf;fpwJ.

Nf : Rthrg; gapwr
; pfF
; gyd; fpilahjh ?
= : Rthrg; gapw;rpf;F epr;rakhfg; gyd; cs;sJ.
cly; MNuhf;fpak; fpilf;fpwJ. kd MNuhf;fpak;
fpilf;fpwJ. Mdhy; gapw;rpapd; %ykhf> ehk;
$Wk; kdj; njspit mile; J tpl KbahJ.

- 37 -
 njspTf; F k; jpahd Kaw; r pfSf; F k; rk; k e; j k;
fpilahJ. njspjy; vd; g J Gj; j pg; G+u; t khd
Ma;T kl;LNk.

Nf : gapw;rpapd; %ykhf Qhdj;ij mila

KbahJ?
= : Mkhk;.

Nf : Gu pjypy; M d ; khtp d ; tp r hui d f ; Fg ; gq;F

,y;iyah?
= : ek;Kila fsj;jpy;> Md;khtpw;F vd;W jdpnahU
gq;F fpilahJ. ehk; kdij kl;LNk fzf;fpy;
vLj;Jf;nfhz;Ls;Nshk;.
ehk; fdT fhZk; NghJ> fdtpy; Vw; g Lk;
epfo ; T fS f ; N f w; w f j hg hj ; jp uk h f k l ; L N k
ek; i k mwpNthk; . fdT KbAk; tiu> fdT
fhz; g tdhf ek; i k ehk; mwpa khl; N lhk; .
Mdhy; mJjhd; ep[khd jd;ik. mJNghy;> ekJ
Md;khjhd; ek;Kila ep[khd fskhf ,Ue;jhYk;
$l> ehk; Md;kh vd;gij tpsq;fpf; nfhs;Sjy;
vd; w epiy Vw; g Ltjpy; i y. ntspg; g ilahf
ekf; F j; njuptJ midj; J k; ekJ kNdhka
,af; f k; kl; L Nk. ehd; vd; W ehk; Fwpg; g pLk;
rpd;d ehd; kw;Wk; ekJ ntsp kd czu;T
,af; f k; Mfpait kl; L Nk ekf; F
ntspg; g ilahfj; njupfpd; w d. rpd; d ehd;
kl;Le;jhd; ekf;Fj; njupAk;. ngupaehidg; gw;wpf;
$Wk; cupik rh]; j puj; J f; F kl; L Nk cz; L .
Md;kh> gukhd;kh> ngupa ehd; vd;W rh];jpuq;fs;
,ijg; gw; w pf; $wpdhy; mjpy; ve; j j; jtWk;
fpilahJ.
- 38 -
Nf : ntWk; thu;ji
; jf;F kl;Le;jhdh?
= : thHj; i jf; F kl; L k; my; y @ mJ KO Kjy;
cz; i kAq; $ l. KO Kjy; cz; i kia ehk;
nrhy;yf; $lhJ. ehk; mg;gbf; $Wtjw;F> ekf;F
ve;j cupikAk; fpilahJ. ehk; $wpdhy; mJ
mg;gl;lkhd ngha;ahfptpLfpwJ. mJNt rh];jpuk;
$Wk;NghJ> KO Kjy; cz;ikahf ,Uf;fpwJ.

Nf : ,e;jg; gputhf epiyjhd; me;j Md;k epiyah?

= : Mkhk; . gputhfkhf khWk; N ghJ> ekJ epiy
midj;Jk; tptupf;f Kbahj epiyf;Fg; Ngha;
tpLfpwJ. vy;iyf;Fl;gl;l ,af;fk; midj;Jk;
KbTf;F te;Jnfhz;bUg;gijNa gputhfk; vd;W
$WfpNwhk;. Mdhy; mij> Md;kh vd;W ngau;
nfhLj;J tptupf;Fk; cupik rh];jpuj;jpw;F kl;LNk
cz;L. mjw;Fj;jhd; Kf;fhyj;ijg; gw;wpg; NgRk;
cupik cz; L . eP N a gugpuk; k k; vd; g ij
rh];jpuq;fs; $wyhk;. mijNa ehKk;
$WNthkhdhy;. ek;Kila $w;Wk; rh];jpukhfg;
Ngha;tpLk;. gpwF ,JTk; eilKiw cz;ikahf
,Uf;fhJ. mDgtuPjpahd tpsf;fj;ijg;
nghWj;jtiuapy>; rpdd ; ehd; vd;gNjhL ekJ
tpsf; f j; i j epWj; j pf; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; . fdtpy;
Vw;glf;$ba xU jw;fhypfkhd fjhghj;jpuk; vd;Nw
ek;ik ehk; vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.
mg;gbahdhy;jhd; mJ ,y;yhky; Nghf KbAk;.
Md;kh vd;gJ ,y;yhky; Nghtjpyi ; y. te;J te;J
gputfpjJ
; Nghtjpyi ; y. rpd;d ehd; kl;LNk te;J
te;J gputfpj;Jg; Nghf KbAk;. gugpuk;kk; vd;gJ
- 39 -
 khw;wk; ,y;yhjJ. fdT fhz;gtd; vd;gtDk;
khw;wk; ,y;yhjtd;. tpl Ntz;ba mk;rj;ijj;
jhd; ehk; fdthf vLj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; .
eilKiw cz; i kiaj; jhd; ehk; ifahs
Ntz; L k; . KO Kjy; cz; i kapy; ifitf; f
ekf;F mjpfhuk; fpilahJ. mijf; ifahSk;
cupik rh];jpuq;fSf;F kl;LNk cz;L. ekJ
eilKiw cz;ikfs; rh];jpuj;Jf;F cld;gl;L
tUfpwjh vd; g ij kl; L k; ehk; Nrhjpj; J f;
nfhs;sNtz;Lk;. mjw;F ciwfy;yhf rh];jpuk;
gad; g LfpwJ. rh]; j pu cz; i kia mila
Ntz; L k; vd epidf; F k; NghJ> mJ XH
vjpHgghHg;igAk;> vjpHfhyj;ijAk; nfhz;Lte;J
tpLfpwJ.
Nf : cWjpg;gLj;Jtjw;F rh];jpuj;ijj; Jizahff;
nfhs;syhk; ?
= : Mkhk;. ehk; nrhy;Ytij rh];jpuj;ijf; nfhz;L
cWjp nra; J nfhs; s yhk; . ehk; xU ruhrup
kdpjdhf ,Ue;J nfhz;Nl QhdpahfTk; ,Ue;J
nfhs;syhk;.

Nf : gputhfk; kw; W k; ,Jrk; g e; j khd Gupjypy;

gbepiyfs; cs;sdth?
= : ekf;F Vw;gLk; mDgtq;fspy;> ekf;F Vw;gl;l
Gupjypd; tpisthf> rpy khw;wq;fs; Vw;gl;Ls;sJ
njupfpwJ. rpy czHTfs; gykpoe; J tpl; l J
njupfpwJ. gputhfj; j py; ,j; j ifa khw; w q; f s;
Vw;glyhk;. Mdhy; ek;ikg; nghUj;j mstpy;>
ekJ vjpu;ghHg;Gfs; midj;ijAk; tpl;LtpLfpNwhk;.
mjdhy; j hd; mJ gputhfkhfNt ,Uf; f pwJ.
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 vjpHghHg; G ,Uf; F k; tiu mJ gputhfkhf
,Uf;fhJ.

Nf : vz;zq;fSk;> czHTfSk; te;JNgha;f;

nfhz; b Ug; g ijg; ghHf; f pNwhk; . ,g; g b te; J
NghfhjthW VjhtJ ,Uf;fpwjh ma;ah?
Nuhl;by; thfdq;fs; gy te;J Ngha;f; nfhz;L
,Uf;fpdw ; d. Mdhy; NuhL mg;gbNa ,Uf;fpwJ.
mg;gb VjhtJ ,Uf;fpwjh? VNjh xd;W
mirahky; ,Ug; g jhfTk; rpy Ntisfspy;
Njhd;WfpwJ.
= : rh]; j puq; f spy; nrhy; y pr; nrhy; y p> Md; k h>
gugpuk;kk;> mirahj nghUs; vd;W ekf;F xU
gof; f j; i jf; nfhLj; J tpl; l hHfs; > mjdhy;
ekf;Fk; mg;gb xU fw;gid Vw;gl;L tpLfpwJ.
ehk; epue;juk; ,y;yhky; gputfpj;J XLk;NghJ>
ehNk xU Kbtw;w ,af;fkhfp tpLfpdN; whk;.
mjdhy; ekJ ,Ug;Ng Mde;jkhf --- Kbtw;wjhf
khwptpLfpd;wJ.

Nf : mirahjJ vd;W nrhy;Yk; NghNj> mirtjhf

MfptpLfpdw
; J.
= : Mkhk;. Njdp Rthkpiag; Nghd;Nw> rpyu; mirtw;w
epiyf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLj;J ey;y epiyia
mile; J s; s du; . Mdhy; vy; N yhUf; F k;
mJ gad;glhJ.
Nf : ma;ah ePqf
; s; vg;NghJk; rkhjp epiyf;F vjpuhf
,Ug;gJNghy; Njhd;WfpwNj?
= : rkhjp vd; g J jpahdj; N jhL njhlHG nfhz; L

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 cs;sJ.
Nf : gjQ;r
; ypNahfj;jpy;> rkhjp jhd; filrpahd G+uz
epiy vd;W $wg;gLfpwNj ?
= : vdf; F mJgw; w pa njspthd fUj; J ,y; i y.
,Ue; j hYk; > mtH Qhdk; gw; w pa fUj; i jf;
$wpaJNghy; Njhd;wtpy;iy. me;j rkhjp epiy
vd; g J xU G+uz epiyahff; $ l ,Uf; f yhk; .
Mdhy; njspT Vw;gl;lhy;jhd; ekf;F epue;jukhd jPHT
fpilf; F k; . rkhjp epiyapy;
,Uf; F e; N jhWk; VNjh xU ey; y epiyapy;
,Uf;fyhk;.
Nf : mJTk; $l xU maintained state jhdh ?
= : Mkhk;.
Nf : mJTk; khWjYf;F cl;gl;lJjhdh ?
= : Mkhk;. J}q;fp tpopgg
; ijg; Nghd;wJjhd;. ukzH
$l ,ijg;gw;wp gy ,lq;fspy; $wp ,Uf;fpwhH.
rkhjp fiye;jJk; ruhrup mDgtq;fs; kPz;Lk;
jiyJ}f;fp tpLtjhff; $wpapUf;fpwhH. tprhuk;
nra;J njspT ngw;why; kl;LNk Kf;jp epiy
fpilf;Fk; vd;gij rh];jpuq;fs; gy ,lq;fspYk;
njspTglf; $wpAs;sd.
Nf : N[.Nf. $Wk; NghJ> MW iky; J}uk; elf;Fk;
NghJk; vz;zq;fNs Vw;gltpyi ; y vd;W $WfpwhH.
mJ ekf;F xU gpuk;kpgi ; g Vw;gLj;JfpwJ. Mdhy;
mijf; ftdpj;Jg; ghHf;Fk; NghJjhd; njupfpwJ>
mtUf; F kw; w Neuq; f spy; vz; z q; f s; te; J
nrd;wpUf;fpd;wd vd;gJ. mirtw;w epiy vd
xd; W ,Ue; j hy; mJ ehk; maintain gz; z pa
epiyahfj; j hd; ,Ue; j pUf; f Ntz; L k; vd; W
- 42 -
 Njhd;WfpwJ.
= : Mkhk;. vitahdhYk;> te;J Ngha;f;
nfhz;bUg;gJjhd; rupahd epiyahFk;. mjdhy;
jhd; mj w; F g pu thf k; v d ; w ng a i uf ;
nfhLj;Js;Nshk;.
Nf : ftdpj;jYk;> GupjYk; kl;Lk;jhd; cz;ikahdJ.
rupjhdh ma;ah ?
= : Gupjy; kl; L k; NghJkhdJ. ftdpj; j y; $l
Kf; f paj; J tk; ,y; y hjJjhd; . mJ Njitg;
gl;lhy;> mJNghf;fpy; te;J nry;y Ntz;baJ
jhd;.
Nf : N[.Nf. ml;nld;rd; vd;W nrhy;Yk; NghJk; mtu;
Kaw; r piaf; Fwpg; g pltpy; i y. Mdhy; mJ
Kaw;rpNghy ehk; jhd; jtwhfg;GupeJ
; nfhs;fpNwhk;.
= : Mdhy; rpy Ntisfspy; mtu; ek;ik
Kad; W ftdpf; F k; g b $Wthu; . $l; l k; ele; J
nfhz;bUf;Fk;NghJ rpy Ntisfspy;> tpkhdk;
gwg; g J cz; L . mg; N ghJ mtu; $l; l j; j py;
cs; s tu; f splk; > me; j Xiriaf; ftdpj; J
mjNdhNlNa nry; Y k; g b nrhy; Y thH. (Altend
it; go with it ) vd;Dila fUj;Jf;fs; N[.Nf.Ald;
kl;Lk;jhd; 90% xj;JtUk;. kw;wtHfNshL ,e;j
msTf;F xj;JtuhJ.
Nf : N[.Nf.f;Fk; cq;fSf;Fk; vjpy; 10% Kuz;ghL
cs;sJ ?
= : m t H Choiceless awareness, sensitiveness,
atention vd;W Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLj;J NgRthu;.
mtw; i w e hk; m i la N t z ; L N k h v d ; w
vz;zj;ij Vw;gLj;jptpLthu;. ek;ik mwpahky;>
ehk; miltjw;F mjdhy; VNjh xd;W Vw;gl;L
- 43 -
tpLfpd;wJ. ,jdhy; ehDq;$l mtiuAk;> rupahd
cz; i kiaAk; Gupe; J nfhs; s Kbahky; ntF
fhykhf rpukg; g l; N ld; . mtu; gz; z Ntz; L k;
vd epidj;J gz;zhtpl;lhYk;> ek;ik mwpahky;
Xu; yl; r paj; i j Vw; g Lj; j pf; nfhs; S k; g b
MfptpLfpwJ. ehd; mw; w epiyia mila
Ntz; L k; N ghy xU J}z; L jiyAk; mtu;
Vw;gLj;jpaJNghy; Njhd;Wk;. cz;ikapy; ehd;
mw; w ij milaNtz; L k; vd; W epidg; g jhy; >
me;j ehd;> NkYk; gyk; ngw;W tpLfpwJ. mg;gb
ehd; miltjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;gij ehd;
czUk; N ghJ> ehd; vd; g Jk; $ l gputhfj; j pd;
mk;rkhfptpLfpwJ. ehd; vd;gJ$l xU Kbtw;w
,af;fkhfptpLfpwJ. mJ Kf;fpaj;Jtk; ngwhj
epiyapy; j hd; infinite vd;Dk; jFjpia
milfpwJ. epr; r akw; w jd; i kia mile; J
tpLfpwJ. ,J ,j;jifa jd;ik cilaJ vd;w
jd; i kia ,oe; J tpLfpd; w J. ehd; vd; g J
vg; N ghJk; ,Uf; f pwJ. Mdhy; mJ efu; e ; J
nfhz;Nl ,Ug;gjhy;> mJ jdJ jdpj; jd;ikia
,oe;J> infinite MfptpLfpwJ. maintain gz;Zk;
NghJ mJ Definite state MfptpLfpwJ. Infinite
I czu ehk; Kaw;rp nra; t jpy; i y. Defenite
state Mf mjidg; gpbj; J itf; f hky; > mJ
jputkhfg; Ngha; t pl ehk; mjid mDkjpj; J
tpLfpNwhk;. Infinite I NjLtjhy; Defenite state
jhd; gyk; ngWfpwJ. Defenite state I
mJNghf;fpy; tpl;L tpl;lhy;> mJNt infinite Mfp
tpLfpwJ. fl; L g; g l; l xd; W > fl; L g; g hl; L f; F s;
mlq; f hj xd; w hfptp Lfpd; w J. ciw
epiyapypUe;J> jput epiyf;F te;J tpLfpdw ; J.
- 44 -
Nf : vz;zkw;w epiyapy; ,Uf;fNtz;Lk; vd;W gy
fhyKk; ekf;Fr; nrhy;yg;gl;Ls;sJ> ekf;F xU
gjpthf mike;J Ngha;tpll
; J.
= : Mkhk;.

Nf : vd;whtJ xU ehs; mg;gb xU epiy Vw;gl;L

tpLk; vd;w vjpu;gg
; hu;gi
; g mJ ekf;F Vw;gLj;jp
te;jpUf;fpwJ.
= : Mkhk; . fhyq; f hykhf Md; k P f ,yf; f paq; f s;
midj;Jk;> Qhdj;ijAk;;> NahfhitAk;
,izj;Nj Ngrp te;jpUf;fpd;wd. mjdhy;> Qhdk;
vd; g Jk; > Kaw; r p nra; J rhjpf; f Ntz; b a xU
epiy vd;w vjpHghu;gi ; g Vw;gLj;jptpl;lJ. mjdhy;
ek;ik mwpahky;> ehKk; vijNah xd;iwj; Njb
tpLfpNwhk; . ,uz; i lANk ehk; jdpj; j dpahf
itj; J f; n fhs; t jpy; ve; j j; jtWk; fpilahJ.
,uz;ilAk; ,izg;gJjhd; jtW. Qhdj;Jf;F
Kjy;ju Kf;fpaj;JtKk;> NahfhTf;F ,uz;lhk;
ju Kf; f paj; J tKk nfhLg; g jhapd; gpur; r pid
vJTk; fpilahJ. rkhjp> vz; z kw; w epiy
Nghd;wit ahTk; Nahfhitr; rhu;ej ; jhFk;. mit
,uz;lhk;ju Kf;fpaj;Jtk; cilajhFk;.
mitahTk; Nahfhtpd; %yk; Vw;gLj;jpf;
nfhs;sg;gLk; jw;fhypfkhd rpy epiyfNs MFk;.
Mdhy; Qhdk; vd;gJ> ve;j epiyiaAk; gpbj;J
itj;Jf;nfhs;shj mk;rk; MFk;.

Nf : ,e;jg; gputhfj;jpy; ,Uf;Fk; NghJ> vg;NghjhtJ

me;jepiy$l Vw;glyhk;> mg;gbj;jhNd ma;ah?

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= : Ntz; L nkd; w hy; > ehkhff; $ l mjw; F Kaw; r p
nra; J nfhs; s yhk; . ekJ tP l ; b w; F Kd; d hy;
nry;Yk; Nuhl;ilg; Nghd;wJjhd; mJ.
Njitg; g l; l hy; me; j Nuhl; i l cgNahfpj; J
nfhQ; r J}uk; ele; J tpl; L j; jpUk; g yhk; . Mdhy;
mJ ehk; trpf;Fk; tPly;y. QhdKk;> tpLjiyAk;
jhd; ehk; trpf; F k; ,lkhFk; . ntspg; G wf;
; f hupaq; f Sf; F jpahdj; i jg; gad; g Lj; j pf;
nfhs;syhk;.

Nf : jpahdk; vd;gJ xU Kaw;rp jhNd ?

= : Mkhk;. jpahdk; vd;gJ Kaw;rpjhd;. ntspg;Gwj;
NjitfSf;F Kaw;rp vd;gJ ,d;wpaikahj
xd;W. Mdhy; ntspg;Gwj;Jf;F ekJ Kaw;rpfs;
midj;Jk; fz;bg;ghfj; Njit. me;j Kaw;rpapy;
vy;yhk; ekJ jpahdj;ij ,izj;Jf;nfhs;syhk;.
Mdhy; ntspg;Gw NtiyfisAk; Kbe;jtiuapy;
Nghuhl;lk; ,y;yhky; ghu;j;Jf;nfhs;tJ ey;yJ.
tof;fkhf ehk; XH cjhuzj;ijf; $WtJz;L.
J}uj; j py; epd; W nfhz; b Uf; F k; xU kuj; i jj;
njhl;L tpl;L tUkhW xUtH jdJ ez;guplk;
$Wtjhf itj; J f; nfhs; N thk; . me; j ez; g u;
vd;d nrhy;thH? vjw;fhfj; njhl;Ltpl;L tu
Ntz; L k; vd; W Nfl; g hH. ,ijNa ehk; xU
Foe; i japlk; $WNthkhdhy; > me; j f; Foe; i j
Vd; vjw;F vd;W Nfs;tp Nfl;fhky;> ehk; fhuzk;
nrhy;y Kad;why;> mijf; $l fhjpy; thq;fhJ>
me;j kuj;ij Nehf;fp Xb Ngha;tpLk;. Foe;ijiag;
nghUj;j mstpy;> mJ nra;Ak; nraNy> xU
enjoyment Mf cs; s J. ,g; g b ehk; ekJ

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 nraNyhL nghUe;Jk;NghJ mJNt xU
enjoyment Mf cs;sJ. nraypd; gyd; $l>
,uz;lhk;gl;r Kf;fpaj;Jtk; cs;sjhf
,Uf; f pwJ. tpisTf; f hfj; j hd; fhupaq; f isr;
nra; f pNwhk; . Mdhy; nraNyhL ,iztJjhd;
KjyhtJ Kf;fpj;Jtk; cs;sjhf mikfpwJ.

Nf : Gwr;nray;fspy; <LgLtjpy; VjhtJ eilKiw

cs;sdth?
= : ehk; rhiyapy; xU thfdj;jpy; gazk; nra;tjhf
itj; J f; n fhz; l hy; > mg; g b gazk; nra; A k;
NghJ> Nuhl; b d; FWf; N f kuk; xd; W rupe; J
fplg;gjhf itj;Jf;nfhs;Nthk;.
,e;epiyapy; ek;khy; Nkw;nfhz;L gazk; nra;a
KbahJ. kuj;ij mg;Gwg;gLj;jhky; Nkw;nfhz;L
gazk; nra;tJ rhj;jpaky;y. xd;W ehk; gazk;
nra; A k; ghijia khw; w pf; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; .
my;yJ kuj;ij mg;Gwg;gLj;jNtz;Lk;. Nuhl;by;
tUtJ xU thfdkhf ,Uf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy;> ,g;gb
mg;Gwg;gLj;JtJ Njitg;gLfpwJ. Mdhy; mg;gb
Nuhl;by; Xb tUtJ> thfdkhf ,y;yhky;> mJ
jz; z P u hf ,Uf; F k; g l; r j; j py; > mq; F kuj; i j
mg;Gwg;gLj;j Ntz;Lk; vd;w fl;lhak; ,y;iy.
me;j jz;zPH> jdJ gazj;Jf;fhd ghijia
mJthfNt Vw; g Lj; j pf; n fhs; S k; . mg; g b> ehk;
nra; a f; $ba Gwr; nray; f spYk; gytpjkhd
jlq;fy;fs; Vw;glj;jhd; nra;Ak;. me;jj;
jlq;fy;fis ePff ; p tpl;Lj;jhd; ehk; fle;J nry;y
Ntz; L k; vd nray; g Lk; N ghJ> mJ ngupa
Nghuhl;lj;ijj; jhd; Vw;gLj;Jk;. ehk; jz;zPH

- 47 -
 epiyapypUe;J mijf; fle;J nry;Yk; Kaw;rpapy;
<LgLNthkhapd;> Nghuhl;lk; ,y;yhj epiyapy;>
Gwr;nraiyAk; vspjhff; ifahs KbAk;.
rKjha Gwgpur;rpidfSf;nfy;yhk; vJ fhuzkhf
,Uf;fpwJ vd;W ghHj;jhy;> ehd; nra;tJjhd; rup
vd; W xUtH jd; i d epiyehl; L k; Kaw; r p
apdhy; j hd Vw; g LfpwJ. ehk; nra; A k;
nray; f spy; j hd; ehk; epahaj; i j mDrupf; f
Ntz;LNk jtpu> mLj;jtHfs; nraypy; epahaj;ij
vjpHg; g hHf; f f; $ lhJ. mtHfs; mg; g bj; j hd;
nray; g LthHfs; vd> vLj; J f; n fhs; s Ntz; L k; .
mg;gbahdhy;jhd;> ehk; mjidf; fle;J nry;y
KbAk; . mtHfis ehk; newpgLj; j Kaw; r p
n ra; t J v d ; g J > ku j ; i j m g ; G w g ; g L j ; j g ;
NghuhLtijg; Nghd;wJ. Nghuhl;lj;ijj; jtpu;j;j
mstpy; ehk; nray;gLk;NghJjhd;> ekJ gazk;
jilg;glhky; ,Uf;fpwJ.

Nf : ntsp cyfr; nray; f is> Kaw; r p %ykhfj;

jhd; Kd; N dw; w fukhf nray; g Lj; j KbAk; .
ntspr; n ray; f Sf; F Nahfh Nghd; w itfisg;
gad;gLj;jpf;nfhz;L> mwpTG+Htkhd njspTf;F
kl;Lk; N[.Nf. Nghd;wtHfSila fUj;Jf;fis
vLj;Jf;nfhs;syhkh?
= : rupjhd; . mg; g b vLj; J f; n fhs; s yhk; . ekJ
kdijf; n fhz; L > ekJ cly; cghijfis
eP f ; f f; $ba rpy rf; j pfisf; $ l ek; k hy
cUthf;fpf;nfhs;s KbAk;. ekJ kdJ vd;gJ
xU gpur;rpidf;Fupa mk;rkhf ,Ue;jhYk;> rpy
mG+Htkhd Mw; w y; f Sk; mjDs; ,Uf; f pwJ.

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 jpahdq;fspd; cjtpNahL kdjpd; miyfisf;
$l XusT rup nra;ayhk;. Mdhy;> mjd; %yk;
kdjstpyhd epue;juj; jPHTf;F tuKbahJ.
epue;juj; jPHT vd;gJ> njsptpd; %yk; --- Gupjy;
%yk; kl;LNk rhj;jpak;.

Nf : cliyAk;> kdijAk; rPuikg;gjd; %yk; ekf;F

Gupjy; fpilg;gJ vspjhf ,Uf;Fkh?
= : ,J tprhuizapd; %ykhfj; njupeJ ; nfhs;StJ
jhd;. ,jw;Fk; mjw;Fk; Neubj; njhlHG fpilahJ.
mitnay; y hk; Kaw; r pia mbg; g ilahff;
nfhz;lit. Mdhy; Gupjy; vd;gJ Kaw;rpia
mbg;gilahff; nfhz;ljy;y. kdk;
MNuhf;fpakhf ,Ug;gJ Ntz;Lkhdhy; XusTf;F
cjtpahf ,Uf; F k; . mitnay; y hk; ,uz; l hk;
gl;rkhd cjtpNa.

Nf : ntspf;fhupaq;fspy; ikj;Nua ghtid nra;Ak;

gbf; $WfpwhHfs;. mjhtJ nra;Ak; gzpfNshL
kdij ,izj;J mjid jpahdkhfr; nra;Ak;gb
$WfpwhHfs;.
= : Mk;@ mJ rupahdJjhd;. ntspf; fhupaq;fspy;
jpahdKk; > Kaw; r pAk; kl; L Nk ntw; w piaf;
nfhLf;Fk;. ntsp cyfj;ijg; nghUj;j mstpy;
E}W rjtPjk; Kaw;rp mtrpak;. mf cyfj;ijg;
nghUj;j mstpy; E}W rjtPjk; Kaw;rpapd;ik
mtrpak;. ,J jhd; rupahd eilKiw.
Nf : cq; f Sila fUj; j pd; g b kpf caHe; j J
Highest Ultimate vd;gJ vJ?
= : vd;Dila fUj;Jg;-g49
b - caHepiy vd;W vJTNk
 fpilahJ. ehk; ,g; N ghJ vd; d epiyapy;
,Uf; f pNwhNkh> mjid KOkdJld; Vw; W f;
nfhs;Nthkhapd;> mJjhd; kpf caHe;j epiy.
ePqf
; s; ,Uf;Fk; epiyjhd; caHe;j epiy. ,jw;F
NkYk; Gj;jh; epiy vd xU epiy ,Ug;gjhf
vz;zp mjd; kPJ MHtk; fhl;LNthk; vd;why;>
cq; f is eP q ; f Ns Gwf; f zpj; J tpl; B Hfs;
vd;gJjhd; nghUs;.

Nf : jpl;lkpLjNy $lhJ vd;W vd;fpwPHfsh?

milaNtz;ba KbtplNk $lhJ vd;fpwPHfsh?
= : Mk;@ kNdhuPjpahf ve;j miltplKk; ,Uf;ff;
$lhJ. Gw cyifg; nghUj; j mstpy; ehk;
miltjw;F vj;jidNah cs;sd. mfj;jstpy;
ehk; miltjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy. kNdhuPjpahf
rpy rf;jpfisg; ngwyhk;. mjw;fhf Ntz;Lkhdhy;
ehk; mfepiyapy; Kaw;rp nra;ayhk;. mJTk;
kNdhuPjpahd xUepiyjhd;@ xU jFjpjhd;. xU
VO khbf; fl;blj;jpy; xt;nthU khbahf Vwp
VohtJ khbf; F r; nry; Y fpNwhk; . filrpapy;
,Uf;Fk; nkhl;il khbf;Fk; nrd;W tpLfpNwhk;.
mg;gbr; nry;Ytjw;fhd Nehf;fk;> Mfhaj;ijg;
ghHg; g jw; f hf vd itj; J f; n fhs; N thkhdhy; >
ehk; khbf; F Vwhky; tP l ; L thrypy; epd; W
ghHj; j hYk; Mfhae; j hd; njupAk; . VohtJ
khbf; F NkYs; s nkhl; i l khbapy; epd; W
ghHj;jhYk; m N j Mfhae;jhd; njupAk;.
Mfhaj;ijg; ghHf;Fk; Nehf;fj;Jf;fhf mj;jid
khbfis Vw Ntz;baJ ,y;iy. VohtJ khbf;F
Nky; Nghdhy; njuptJjhd; caHe;jJ vd ehk;

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vz;zpf;nfhs;fpNwhk;. VohtJ khbf;F Vwpajhy;
fpilf; F k; yhgk; vd; d ntd; w hy; > mq; f pUe; J
ghHj;jhy;> ehk; gy njUf;fisg; ghHf;f KbAk;.
CUf;F ntspNa cs;s Mw;iwf; $l ghHf;f
Kbayhk; . jw; N ghJ ehk; cl; f hHe; J ,Uf; F k;
,lj;jpypUe;J ghHj;jhy;> tPl;bd; ntsp thapy;
$l njupatpy; i y. gf; f j; J j; njUit ehk;
,q;fpUe;J ghHf;f KbahJ. mq;F vd;d elf;fpwJ
vd;gJ njupahJ. ekJ kNdhuPjpahd jFjpia
caHj; j pf; n fhs; S tjd; %yk; > ekf; F rpy
rf;jpfNsh> r p j ; J f ; f N s h fpilf;fyhk;@
mDgtq;fisg; ngwyhk;. Mdhy; mtw;why; ,e;j
tpLjiyiaf; nfhLf;f KbahJ. cz; i kahd
,lk; vd;W ehk; vijahtJ fUJNthkhapd;> mJ
,e;j kNdhuPjpahd tpLjiy kl; L Nk. ,e; j f;
fzf;fpy; cq;fis ePqf ; Ns KO kdjhf Vw;Wf;
nfhs; S tJjhd; ,e; ; j kNdhuP j pahd tpLjiy.
cq;fis ePq;fs; Vw;Wf;nfhs;Sk; NghJ>
cq;fSf;F> mLj;jjhf vLj;J itf;f Ntz;ba
ve;j mbAk; fpilahJ. mjdhy; Kaw;rpiaf;
iftplL; tpLfpwHP fs;.
ePqfs; vijahtJ mila Ntz;Lk; vd
vz; Z tP H fNsahdhy; > ,d; D nkhU gbf; f l; L
Vw;gl;L tpLfpwJ. ,y;iynadpy>; ePqf
; s; Vw;nf
; dNt
vLj; J itj; j mbjhd; cq; f Sila filrp
mbahFk;. ,jw;F mg;ghYk; VNjh ,Uf;fpwJ
vd;w vz;zj;ij kl;Lk; ehk; iftpl;L
tpl Ntz; L k; . mg; g b VjhtJ ,Ug; g jhff;
nfhz;lhy;> mJ Nahfq;fNshL njhlHGs;stw;wpy;
cz; L . mq; F jhd; ehk; mDgtq; f isAk; >
rf;jpiaAk;. rpytpjkhd epiyfisAk;
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 milfpNwhk;. mtw;iw ehk; ,e;j tpLjiyNahl
xg;gpl KbahJ.

Nf : mit ek; i k kw; w tHfsplkpUe; J NtWgLj; j pf;

fhl;lyhk;.
= : NtWgLj; j pf; f hl; l yhk; . cliyg; nghUj; j
tiuapNyh> cyfj;ij nghUj;j tiuapNyh mit
gad;gl;lhy; rup@ kw;wg;gb mjdhy; cz;ikahd
,yhgk; ,y;iy. VohtJ khbf;Fr; nry;Ytjhy;
gf;fj;Jj; njUitNah my;yJ mjw;F mg;ghy;
cs;s gFjpiaNah ghHf;fyhk;. mdhy; ek;ik
ghHg;gjw;fhfNth my;yJ Mfhaj;ijg; ghHg;gjw;
fhfNth> VohtJ khbf;Fr; nry;yj; Njit ,y;iy.
ehk; ,Uf;Fk; ,lj;jpNyNa ek;ik ehk; ghu;jJ ; f;
nfhs; s yhk; . vd; i dg; g hHg; g jw; f hf V o h t J
khbf;Fg; NghfpNwd; vd;why; mJ nghUs; mw;wJ.

Nf : ehk; xt;nthUtUk; xt;nthU Jiwapy;

,Uf;fpNwhk;. xt;nthUtUk; xt;nthU tpjkhd
,ay;NghL ,Uf;fpNwhk;. ek;Kila ,ay;Gf;Nfw;w
tifapy;jhd; ehk; nray;gLfpNwhk;. ,q;F ekf;F
kdj;J}a;ik NjitjhNd?
= : ek; i k ehNk mg; g b Vw; W f; n fhs; S k; N ghJ
kdj;J}a;ik jhkhf Vw;gLfpwJ. mjid ehk;
$g; g plj; Njitapy; i y. mJ Ntz; L k; vd; W
epidf;fhkNyNa mJ jhdhf Vw;gl;L tpLfpwJ.
ek;ik khw;w Ntz;Lk; vd;W epidf;fhkNyNa
J}a;ikahd epiy Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ.
Nf : cs;SzHT Fiwahky; ,Uf;fNtz;Lk; vd;W
$WfpwPHfsh?
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= : cs;SzHT vd;W ePqf ; s; VNjh xd;iw fw;gid
nra;J tpLfpwPHfs;> ePqf; s; Nkhrkhd czHtpy;
,Ue;jhy; $l mJjhd; ey;y czHT. ePq;fs;
mUtUg; g hd czHtpy; ,Ug; g jhf itj; J f;
nfhz;lhy;> mJNt ey;y czu;Tjhd;. ,Uf;Fk;
czHit tpl caHe;j czHT vd;W vJTk;
fpilahJ.

Nf : ,Uj;jy;?
= : ,Ug; g ij Gwf; f zpf; f hky; ,Ug; g jpYk; > NtW
vijNah ehlhkYk; ,Ug;gjhYk;> ,Ug;gij Vw;Wf;
nfhs; S k; epiyf; F te; J tpLfpwP H fs; . mjw; F
md;dpakhf ePqfs; vjidAk; fw;gid
nra; a hjjhy; > ,Ug; g ijj; j hd; eP q ; f s; Vw; W f;
nfhz;lhf Ntz;Lk;. ,jdhy; cq;fis ePqf ; Ns
Gwf;fzpf;fhky;> cq;fis ePq;fNs
Vw;Wf;nfhs;Sk; epiyf;F te;JtpLfpwPHfs;.

Nf : ehd; ilkz;l; njhopy; nra;fpNwd;. rpy Neuq;fspy;

njhopy; nra; J nfhz; b Uf; F k; NghJ vd; i d
mwpahky; rpe;jidfs; XLfpd;wd. clypy; Neha;
VjhtJ ,Uf;FNkh vd;gJ Nghd;w rpe;jidfs;
Vw;gLfpd;wd. mjdhy; vdf;F xU tpjkhd kdf;
fyf;fKk; Vw;gl;L tpLfpwJ. ,g;gb Vw;glf; $ba
rpe;jidfis vd;d nra;tJ?
= : ePqf
; s; xU fzf;if vOjpf; nfhz;bUf;fpwPHfs;
vd itj; J f; n fhs; N thk; . mg; N ghJ cq; f is
mwpahky; cq;fsJ kdjpy; VNjNjh rpe;jidfs;
Vw;gLfpd;wd. New;W ele;j rk;gtj;ijg; gw;wpa
vz; z q; f s; $l Vw; g lyhk; . me; j rpe; j id
- 53 -
Vw;gLk;NghJ> cq;fsJ ftdk;> ePq;fs; NghLk;
fzf;fpypUe;J tpLgl;L> me;j rpe;jidapy; nrd;W
jq; f ptpLfpwJ. Mdhy; jpBnud; W eP q ; f s; Ra
czHT ngWfpwP H fs; . ek; i k mwpahky; ekJ
ftdk; ,g; g b VNjNjh rpe; j idapy; khl; b f;
nfhz; l ij czHe; J nfhs; f pwP H fs; . mg; g b
czHe;Jnfhz;l tpdhbapNyNa ePqf ; s; cq;fsJ
rpe;jidapd; jhf;fj;jpypUe;J tpLgl;L tpLfpwPHfs;.
cq;fis mwpahky; Vw;gl;l rpe;jidfs; ahTk;
xU KbTf;F te;JtpLfpd;wd. xUNtis
cq;fSf;F Vw;gLk; rpe;jidfs; Kf;fpaj;Jtk;
cilaitahff; $l ,Uf;fyhk;. ehis ePqf ; s;
ntspehL nry; t jhf itj; J f; n fhs; S Nthk; .
cq; f Sf; F mg; g b Vw; g l; l rpe; j idfs; me; j
gazk; gw; w p Vw; g Ltjhf itj; J f; n fhs; N thk; .
me;j rpe;jid cq;fis mwpahky; Vw;gl;lhYk;
$l> ePq;fs; mJ gw;wpa Ra czHTf;F te;j
epiyapy;> me;j rpe;jid epd;Wjhd; Mf Ntz;Lk;
vd;w fl;lhak; ,y;iy. Vnddpy; mjd; gpwF>
ePqf; s; kdg;G+Htkhf tpUk;gp> me;j rpe;jidfis>
NtzLnkd; N w njhluyhk; . mg; g b VjhtnjhU
rpe;jidia> ePqf ; shf> Ntz;Lnkd;W njhlHe;jhy;
kl;Lk;jhd;> me;j rpe;jidia ePq;fshf epWj;j
Ntz;Lk;. kw;wgb> jhkhf tuf;$ba rpe;jidfs;
midj;Jk; mtw;iw ePq;fs; milahsk; fz;L
nfhz;l khj;jpuj;jpy; jhkhfg; Ngha; tpLfpd;wd.
jhkhf Vw; g Lk; rpe; j idfshf ,Ue; j hYq; $ l
mtw;wpy; ehk; mf;fiwAk;> <LghLk;
fhl; L Nthkhapd; > mg; N ghJjhd; mit ek; i k
Mf;fpukpj;Jf;nfhs;fpd;wd.
cq; f sJ rpe; j idfs; mJthf te; J tpl; L g;
- 54 -
 Nghfl; L k; > eP q ; f shf mjw; F capH nfhLf; f
Ntz;lhk;.

Nf : me; j rpe; j idfis mg; g bNa tpl; l hy; mJ

cly;eyj;ijg; ghjpf;fhjh?
= : mJthf ve;jg; ghjpg;igAk; Vw;gLj;jhJ. me;j
rpe;jidia ek;gp> ePqf ; Sk; kdg;G+Htkhf mjid
mq;ff P upj;J> cq;fSf;F Neha; VjhtJ ,Uf;FNkh
vd; W eP q ; f Ns re; N jfg; g LtP H fshdhy; mJ
MNuhf;fpaj;ijg; ghjpf;Fk;. cq;fis mwpahky;
Vw; g Lk; rpe; j idfSf; F eP q ; f s; mq; f P f huk;
nfhLf; f hj gl; r j; j py; > mg; g b ve; j g; ghjpg; G k;
Vw;glhJ.
Nf : rpyUf; F rHf; f iu Neha; ,Ug; g J njupahJ.
MNuhf;fpakhf ,Ug;gjhff; $l ele;J
nfhs;thHfs;.
gupNrhjidapd; NghJ Neha; ,Ug;gjhf njupe;j
khj; j puj; j py; > mtHfs; MNuhf; f paj; i j ,oe; J
tpLthHfs;. Vd; ,g;gb elf;fpwJ?
= : Nrhjid nra; A k; t iu mJgw; w pa rpe; j id
,y;yhky; ,Uf;fpwhHfs;. Nrhjid nra;J> Neha;
,Ug; g J njupe; j Jk; > mtHfsJ rpe; j id mJ
gw; w pNa Vw; g l; L tpLfpwJ. me; j rpe; j id
mJNghf;fpy; Vw;gl;lhYk;> mjid ehk; milahsk;
fz;l khj;jpuj;jpy; mJ ek;ik tpl;Lg; Ngha;
tpLtjpy;iy. me;j rpe;jidfs; ahTk;> ek;ik
vr;rupfi
; f nra;J newpgg; Lj;Jk; Kf;fpaj;Jtk;
cilaitahf> ehk; mtw; i w vLj; J f; n fhs; S
fpNwhk;. VNjh xU tifapy; me;j rpej ; idfSf;F
ehk; Kf; f paj; J tk; nfhLj; J tpLtjhy; > mit
- 55 -
 ekf; F gaczHitf; nfhz; L tUfpd; w d.
mjdhy; ekJ MNuhf;fpaKk; ghjpg;G milfpd;wJ.
kUj;JtH kPJk;> nja;tf
P rf;jpfs; kPJk; ek;gpf;if
nfhs;tJ $l me;j rpej ; idfSf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk;
nfhLf;fhj jd;ikia Vw;gLj;Jfpd;wJ.
vt; t sT Nkhrkhd rpe; j idfshf ,Ue; j hYq;
$l> ehk; mtw;iw mq;fPfupj;J mtw;Wf;F capH
nfhLf; F k; N ghJjhd; > mit gyk; ngWfpd; w d.
me;epiyapy;jhd; mit ekJ MNuhf;fpaj;ijf;
nfhLf;fpd;wd.
Nf : mOj;jk; nfhLf;ff;$lhJ?
= : Mkhk; . ekJ ,ay; G f; N fw; w mDgtq; f Sk;
rpe; j idfSk; mJNghf; f py; tUfpd; w d vd; W
vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;. jg;ghd rpe;jidahfNt
,Ue; j hYk; $ l mwpahky; nra; j jtwhfNt
vLj;Jf;nfhs;s Ntz;Lk;. mwpe;j epiyapy; ehk;
mtw;Wf;F capH nfhLf;ff;$lhJ.
Nf : ehd; jw;NghJ ,Uf;Fk; epiyf;Fk;> Qhdk; mile;j
epiyf;Fk; vd;d tpj;jpahrk;? Qhdk; mile;J
tplN; lndd;why;> mJ vdf;Fj;njupAkh?
= : Qhdk; vd; g ij> ntWk; Gupe; J nfhs; t jhf
kl;LNk ehd; Fwpg;gpLfpNwd;. Gupe;Jnfhz;ljhy;
Vw;gLk; tpisTf;Fg; ngaHjhd; tpLjiy -
-- Liberation. Ntfkhfr; nry;Yk; fhupy; gpNuf;if
mOj;Jtjhy;> fhH jhdhfj; jpirkhwpj; jpUk;gp
tpLfpd; w J. mg; g bj; jpUk; G tJjhd; tpLjiy.
Gupe;Jnfhs;Stjd; %yk;> midtUf;Fk ,e;j
tpLjiy Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. kNdhuPjpahf ekf;F
VNjh xU khw;wk; Ntz;Lk; vd;W> ekf;F ehNk
nghWg; ; i g vLj; J f; n fhs; S tjd; %yNk> ekJ
- 56 -
 Gupjy; ghjpf; f g; g l; L tpLfpd; w J. miltjw; F
vJTNk ,y;yhj gl;rj;jpy; ehk; ve;jg;
nghWg; i gAk; vLf; f khl; N lhk; . ehk; vg; g b
,Uf;fpNwhNkh mjid mg;gbNa vLj;J> mjw;F
mDkjp nfhLf; f hky; > ehd; ,g; g b ,Uf; f
khl;Nld; > vdg; gpbthjk; gpbf;Fk;NghJ> ehk;
nghWg;ig Vw;Wf; nfhs;fpNwhk;@ Kaw;rp vLj;J
tpLfpNwhk;. VjhtJ xd;iwr; nra;JtpLfpNwhk;.
me;epiyapy;> mfg; Nghuhl;lKk;> kd mOj;jKk;
Vw;gl;LtpLfpd;wJ.

Nf : xU jfg;gdhH jdJ kfDf;F vt;tsNth tha;gG;

nfhLj; J k; kfd; rupahd Kiwapy; ele; J
nfhs;shjjhy;> jdJ kfid vg;gbAk; Ngh vd;W
iftpl;LtpLfpwhH. ,g;gbj;jhd; ePq;fs;
$WfpwPHfsh?
= : me; j j; jpUe; j hj kfd; vd; g ij> ekJ kdJ
vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;> ePqf
; s; $Wk; cjhuzk;
rupahdJ. ,ij mfj;jstpy; vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;
kl;LNk> rupahdJ MFk;. kdij rupgz;z ehk;
gytifapYk; Kad;W ghHj;Jtpl;Lj;jhd;> ehk;
,e;j KbTf;F te;JtpLfpNwhk;. ehk; ekJ kdij
,g;gbf; iftpl;l epiyapy;> me;j kdJ> jhdhf
rupahfptpLfpwJ. Gw cyfpy; ,J rhj;jpakpy;iy.
ekJ kfid mg;gbNa tpl;L tpl;lhy;> mtd;
jhdhfj; jpUe;jptpLthd; vd;gjw;F ve;j
cj; j uthjKk; nfhLf; f KbahJ. mfj; i jg;
nghUj;jtiuapy; fpilf;Fk; jPHT epr;rakhdJ.
Nf : Gupjy; vd;Dk; Qhdj; njspT> xUKiw ekf;F
Vw; g l; l hy; > mJ xU NghJk; ek; i k tpl; L g;

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 NghfhJ vd;W E}ypy; $wpapUf;fpwPHfs;. Mdhy;
,g; N ghJ> ekJ njspT> kiwe; J Nghtjw; F k;
tha;gG ; s;sJNghy; $WfpwPHfs;.
= : ehk; ekJ njspit epr; r ag; g Lj; j pf; n fhs; t jh
NyNa ekJ njspT cWjpg; g LfpwJ. ehk;
miltjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy vd;gij ehk; cWjpg;
gLj;jpf; nfhs;sNtz;Lk;. miltjw;F VjhtJ
,Uf; f pwJ vd; W ehk; ekJ Kbit khw; w pf;
nfhz;Nlhkhdhy;> ekJ cWjpiaAk; ehkhfNt
Fiyj;JtpLfpNwhk;. ehkhf tpUk;gp ekJ Kbit
khw; w p mikj; J f; nfhz; l hy; > ekJ cWjpAk;
khwpj; j hNd Mf Ntz; L k; ? ekf; F Vw; g l; l
cWjpia> ehkhfNt kWjypf;ff;$lhJ.
miltjw;F vJTNk ,y;iy vd;w cWjp Vw;gLk;
NghJ> ek;ik ehNk khw;wp mikf;Fk; Nghuhl;lk;
,y;yhky; Ngha;tpLk;. vJ epfo;e;jhYk; mjw;F
O.K. nfhLj; J tpLfpNwhk; . rup> jg; G vd; g Nj>
nrk;ikahd epiy vd;W VNjh xU epiyNahL
xg;gpLk; NghJjhd; Vw;gLfpwJ. vg;gb ehk; ele;J
nfhz;lhYk;> mjpy; jtW VJk; ,y;iy vDk;
NghJ> mq;Nf khw;w Ntz;ba Nghuhl;lk; vJTNk
,Uf;f KbahJ my;yth?
jQ; r hT+H nghk; i kia> ehk; vg; g b rupj; J g;
Nghl;lhYk;> mJ rkepiyf;F te;JtpLk;. ekJ
kdij> mJNghf;fpy; nray;gl tpl;LtpLk; NghJ>
mJ jhdhfNt xU rkd; g hl; i l mile; J
tpLfpwJ. mijj; j hd; tpLjiy vd; W ehk;
$WfpNwhk;.

Nf : Nahfh> jpahdk; Mfpatw; i w eP q ; f s; cly;

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 uPjpahfTk;> Gw cyf uPjpahfTk; jhd; vLj;Jf;
nfhs;fpwPHfsh?
= : ,y;iy@ jpahdk; vd;gij kNdhtpay; uPjpahfj;
jhd; vLj; J f; n fhs; f pNwd; . jpahdj; j pd; %yk;
ehk; ekJ kdJf;F xU tbtj;ij mikj;Jf;
nfhLf;fpNwhk;. mjid Tune nra;fpNwhk;. ,q;F
ehk; mg; g b tbtikg; g jpy; i y. tbtikg; G
fspypUe;J kdij tpLtpf;fpNwhk;. Tune nra;tJ
NtW> Liberate gz;ZtJ NtW.

Nf : Tune gz; Z tNj jpahdk; vd; W $WfpwP H fs; .

Qhdk;> tpLjiy --- Liberation vd;gJ vd;d?
= : mJ vg; g b Ntz; L khdhYk; Nghfl; L k; vd; W
tpl; L tpLtJ tpLjiy ---- Liberation. kdJ
ek;ik mwpahkNyNa VjhtJ xU tbtikg;ig
---- Tuning ---- vLj;Jf; nfhz;Ljhd; ,Uf;fpwJ.
Nf : Auto Tuning?
= : Mkhk; @ jhkhf Vw; g Lk; Auto Tuning ele; J
tpl;Lg;Nghfl;Lk; vd tpl;L tpLfpNwhk;.
Nf : me;jkdjpd; gpd;dhy; ehk; Ngha;tplkhl;Nlhkh ?
= : mg;gbg; Nghfkhl;Nlhk;. mg;gbg; Ngha;tpLNthk;
vd;W ehk; gae;J jhd;> ehk; Auto Tuningif
G w f ; f z p j ; J Wilfull Tuningf p y ; , w q ; f p
tpLfpNwhk;. Manual Tuningfpy; jhd; gpur;rpid
Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. mij KOtJk; Auto Tuning
-,y; nray;gLtjhf tpl;LtplNtz;Lk;. ,uz;L
tpjkhd tbtikg; G f; f Sk; ---- TuningfSk;
xd;Wld; xd;w Kuz;gLk;NghJjhd;> cuha;TfSk;
vjpH tpisTfSkhf Vw;gl;LtpLfpd;wd.
- 59 -
Nf : cq;fs; E}iyg; gbj;j gpwF ga czHT ngUk;
ghYk; Fiwe;J tpl;lJ. MdhYk; rpy
Ntisfspy; ga czHTk; > clypy; ,urhad
khw;wKk; Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ.
= : ekf; F ve; j czHTfSNk ,y; y hky; Ngha;
tplNtz;Lk; vd;gJ rhj;jpak; ,y;iy. vy;yh
czHTfSNk VNjh xU tifapy; Njitahd
czHTfNs. czHNt ,y;yhky; Ngha;tpl;lhy;.
ehk; ve;jr; nraiyANk nra;a KbahJ
ga czHNt ,y;yhtpl;lhy;> ehk; rpy
nray; f isr; nra; a hkNyNa Ngha; t pLNthk; .
ekJ cly; rhHe;j kw;Wk;> Gw cyfk; rhHe;j
nray; f is epHthfk; nra; t jw; F f; $ l ga
czHT Njitg;gLfpwJ. rpy czHTfs;
,Uf;fj;jhd; Ntz;Lk;. ve;j czHthapDk; rup@
mit ,Ue;Jtpl;Lg;Nghfl;Lk;. epHthfk;
gz; Z k; Nehf; f j; j py; tUk; N ghJ> mJ rpy
Ntisfspy; Njitf; F mjpfkhf; $ l te; J
tplyhk; . mg; g b tUtjhdhy; > mJ cq; f is
mwpahky; > mJthf te; J tpl; L g; N ghfl; L k; .
mij khw;wp mikf;Fk; nghWg;ig kl;Lk; ehk;
vLf; f Ntz; l hk; . ,d; W ,g; g b te; J tpl; l J@
ehis ,J ,g; g b tuhky; ghHj; J f; n fhs; s
Ntz; L k; vd; W ve; j g; nghWg; i gAk; vLj; J f;
nfhs;sf;$lhJ.

Nf : ,jdhy; ghjpg;G VJk; Vw;glhjh?

= : ghjpg; G te; J tpl; L g; N ghfl; L Nk> vd; W tpl; L
tpl;Lg;NghfNtz;baJjhd;. ghjpg;G tuf; $lhJ
vd; W NghuhLtJjhd; jtW. Gw cyfj; j py;
- 60 -
 kl; L k; ghjpg; G Vw; g lhjgb ghHj; J f; n fhs; s
Ntz;Lk;. kNdh uPjpahd epiyapy;> vd;d tpjkhd
mDgtq; f Sk; vg; g b Ntz; L khdhYk; te; J
tpl;Lg;Nghfl;Lk; vd vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.
Nf : eP q ; f s; gy E}y; f is vOjpAs; s P H fs; @ Md; k
Qhdk; ,ufrpak; > mD\; l hd Md; k P f k; > Qhd
tpLjiy> ftiyfSf;nfy;yhk; jPHT --- ,g;gb
vOjpAs;sPHfs;. ,e;j Qhdj;njspT ve;j
epiyapy; Vw;gl;lJ cq;fSf;F?
= : vdJ Muk;g E}y;fshd Md;k Qhd ,ufrpak;>
mD\;lhdk; Mfpa E}y;fisg; gbj;Jg;
ghHj; j hYk; ,g; N ghJs; s vdJ fUj; J f; f isf;
fhzKbAk;. mdhy; mjid ed;whff; ftdpj;Jg;
ghHj;jhy; Kaw;rp nra;tjw;fhd tha;gG ; > mq;fq;Nf
njupatUk; . Md; k P f mDgtj; N jhL ,Uj; j y; >
Md; k h vDk; jd; D zHNthL ,Uj; j y; vDk;
mk; r k; j hd; mq; F Kf; f paj; J tk; nfhLj; J
typAWj; j g; g Lk; . vdJ Kaw; r pfspdhy; ey; y
tpjkhd Md;kPf mDgtq;fs; fpilj;jd. Mdhy;
mit vJTNk vdJ md;whlg; gpur;rpidfSf;Fj;
jPHthf mikatpy;iy vd;gJ njupe;jJ. Md;kPf
Kaw;rpapdhy; mjidr; rhjpf;f KbahJ vd;W
vdJ ,ayhikia czHe; J nfhs; S k; epiy
Vw;gl;lJ. Md;kPf czHTfis ekJ Jizf;Ff;
$g;gpl KbahJ vd;w njspT> Gupjy; Vw;gl;lJ.
gpwF mJNt vdf;F s; epr;r ag; gLj;jg;gl;lJ.
Confirm MdJ. ehk; mile;jij jf;fitj;Jf;
nfhs;sNtz;Lk;> Maintian gz;zNtz;Lk; vd;W
vz;ZtJ$l xU Kaw;rpahfptpLk;. mJ ekJ
Confirmationf ; F , i l A + w h f p t p L k ; . G u p e ; J
nfhz;Ltpl;Nlhk; vd vz;zp mjw;F xU
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 Kw;Wg;Gs;sp itj;JtplNtz;Lk;. Gupatpy;iy>
Gupatpy;iy vd vz;zpf;nfhz;L ,Ue;jhy;> mJ
,d; D k; xU tifapy; Kaw; r piaNa J}z; b f;
nfhz;Nl ,Uf;Fk;.

Nf : kdNjhL rz;il Ntz;lhk; vd;W $WfpwPHfs;?

= : Mkhk;@ mt;tsTjhd;. kdij mJNghf;fpy; Auto
Tuningfpy; tpl;LtplNtz;Lk;.

Nf : N[.fpU\;z%Hj;jp ve;j tifapy; khWgLfpwhH?

= : N[.Nf. nrhy; Y tjpy; ngUk; g hYk; rupahfNt
cs; s J. vd; D ila tsHr; r papy; 90% gq; F
mtUilaJjhd;. njspT ngw;w epiyapypUe;J
ghHf;Fk;NghJjhd;> mtH nra;j jtW vdf;Fj;
njupfpwJ. vy;yhtw;iwAk; rupahfr; nra;Jtpl;L>
VNjh xU rpd;d jtiw kl;Lk; nra;J tpLfpwhH.
Choiceless awareness ( NjHe;njLf;fhj tpopg;G
e p i y ) > attension ( f t d k ; ) M f p a i t g w ; w p
Kf; f paj; J tk; nfhLj; J g; NgRfpwhH. ,tw; i w
vy; y hk; mtH nrhy; y papUf; f f; $lhJ. ,it
v y ; y h k ; j h k h f e p f o ; f p d ; w d . Choiceless
awareness Vw; g LfpwJ. attension Vw; g LfpwJ.
,it vy; y hk; mit Nghf; f py; tUfpd; w d.
ek; i kg; gpd; g w; w p tUk; mitfis ekf; F
Kd;ghff; nfhz;Ltuf;$lhJ. epoy;fs; ekf;Fg;
gpd;dhy;jhd; tuNtz;Lk;. mjid ekf;F Kd;dhy;
nfhz;Ltu Kaw;rpf;ff; $lhJ. epoiyg; ghHf;f
Muk; g pf; F k; N ghJ ehk; gpd; G wkhfj; jpUk; g p
tpLfpNwhk;. mJ xU fz;zh%r;rp tpisahl;lhfp
tpLfpwJ. epoiyg; ghHg;gjw;F Kaw;rp nra;af;
- 62 -
 $lhJ. epoy; ekf;Fg; gpd;dhy; te;J nfhz;Nl
,Uf;Fk;. ehk; Kd;dhy; Nehf;fpathNw Ngha;f;
nfhz;bUe;jhy; epoy; ekJ gpd;dhNyNa te;J
nfhz;bUf;Fk;. ,Njh epoy; ,Uf;fpwJ ghH
vd;W nrhd;dhy;> ehk; jpUk;gpf;nfhz;LtpLNthk;.
m t H Choiceless awareness > attension ,
sensitiveness vd; W $Wk; N ghJ> ehk; vijNah
nra;aNtz;Lk;> vd;w vz;zk; Vw;gl;LtpLfpd;wJ.
Mdhy; mtw;iwg; gapw;rp nra;J ghHf;Fk;NghJ>
mw; G jkhd gytpj mDgtq; f Sk; fpilj; j d.
N[.Nf.iag; gbj; j jdhy; ey; y mDgtq; f s;
vy;yhk; fpilf;fpd;wd. xU jpUg;jpiaAk; mit
Vw; g Lj; J fpd; w d. Mdhy; mit tpLjiyiaf;
nfhz;L tuhky; jLj;JtpLfpd;wd.
me;j xU mZF Kiwia kl;Lk; mtH rupahfr;
nra;jpUg;ghNuahdhy;> vdf;F cgNjrk; gz;Zk;
ve;j NtiyAk; ,Ue;jpUf;fhJ. vy;yhtw;iwAk;
mtNu Kbj;Jitj;jpUg;ghH. NkYk; me;jj; njspT
fpilg; g jw; F vdf; F k; ,t; t sT fhyjhkjk;
Vw;gl;bUf;;fhJ.
Nf : ePq;fs; nrhy;Yk; nra;jpiaj;jhd; Gj;jH jk;k
gjj;jpy; nrhy;yp ,Uf;fpwhH vd epidf;fpNwd;.
= : vy; N yhUNk ,ijj; j hd; $wpapUf; f pwhHfs; .
xt;nthUtUk; jq;fSf;nfd rpy thHj;ijfis
mikj; J tpsf; f k; nfhLg; g jpy; tpj; j pahrg;
gLfpwhHfs; . NkYk; me; j f; fhyj; J f; F Vw; w
Kd;Ndw;wkl;Lk;jhd; ,Uf;f KbAk;. vd;idg;
nghUj;j mstpy;> Gj;jH> ukzH> N[.Nf.> XN\h>
eprHfjj; j h> kw; W k; Md; k P f rh]; j puq; f s; vd
gytw; i wAk; gbf; F k; tha; g ; G fpilj; J s; s J.
mtw;iwAk; vLj;Jf;nfhz;L> mtw;wpy; ,Ue;Jk;
- 63 -
 rw; W tpyfp> rpy Kf; f pakhd EZf; f q; f is
Nkk;gLj;jpf; nfhLf;f KbfpwJ. mg;gb
tpyfpdhYk;$l mJ Njitahd> rw;W
Kd;Ndw;wfukhd tpyfyhfNt cs;sJ. Mdhy;
vy; y htw; W f; F k; Mjhuk; xd; W jhd; . mtHfs;
Njhs; f spy; ehk; Vwp cl; f hHe; J nfhs; S tjhy;
ekf;F NkYk; rw;Wj; J}uj;ijg; ghHf;f KbfpwJ.
vy;NyhUk; mile;j epiy> xd;whfNt ,Ue;jhYk;>
me;je;j fhyr; #o;epiyf;Nfw;g> tpsf;fk; jUk;
ghzpapy; tpj;jpahrk; Vw;gLfpwJ. Gj;jiu vLj;Jf;
nfhz;lhy;$l> mJtiuf;Fk; cs;s tpsf;fj;ij
mtUf; F Vw; w tifapy; rw; W khw; w pj; j hd;
nfhLj;Js;shH. nfhQ;rk; Nkk;gLj;jpf;
nfhLj;Js;shH. N[.Nf.> XN\h vy;NyhUk;> mjid
NkYk; nfhQ;rk; Nkk;gLj;jpf; nfhLj; J s; s hHfs; .
Mdhy; vt;tsTjhd; Nkk;gLj;jpf; nfhLj;jhYk;>
m J > f h y g ; N g h f ; f p y ; inadequate M f - - - -
khwptpLfpwJ. NghJkhdjhf ,y;yhky;
Ngha;tpLfpwJ. fhyj;Jf;Fj; jFe;j khw;wq;fs;
Vw;glj;jhd; nra;Ak;.

Nf : epiwa Qhdpfs; ,e;j epiyia mile;j gpwF

nksdpfshfTk; khwptpLfpwhHfs;.
= : rpyH rkhjp mDgtk; Nghd;W gytpjkhd Mde;j
mDgtq; f is milfpwhHfs; . mJ mtHfis
Mde;j epiyNahL NrHj;J Klkhf;fp tpLfpwJ@
rpyH ntspAyfpy; nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iynad
xJq;fpAk; Ngha;tpLfpwhHfs;. rpyH jpUkzk; vJTk;
nra;ahky;> rKjhaj;jpy; ve;j mq;fKk; tfpf;fhj
epiyapy;> mtHfSf;F nra;tjw;F vd;W

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 ntspg; g ilahff; $ l vJTk; ,y; y hky; Ngha;
tpLfpwJ. ifia ePl;bdhy; rhg;ghL fpilf;Fk;
vd;w epiyapy; Easy going Mf ---- Rygkhd
tho; f ; i f Kiwahf ---- mtHfsJ tho; i t
mikj;Jf;nfhs;SfpwhHfs;. ,g;NghJ ehk; rw;W
tpj;jpahrkhff; $WfpNwhk;. ePqf
; s; ve;jg; gzpapy;
Ntz;LkhdhYk; ,Uq;fs;@ Qhdpahf ,Ue;J me;jg;
gzpiar; nra;Aq;fs; vd;W $WfpNwhk;. ruhrup
kdpjdhf ,Ue;Jnfhz;L QhdpahfTk; ,Uq;fs;
vd; W $WfpNwhk; . ruhrup kdpjidg; Nghy;
vy;yhtw;iwAk; nra;Aq;fs; vd;W ehk; $Wk;NghJ>
ehk; nray; g Ltjw; F mjpfkhd scope ----
tha;gG; --- cs;sJ. vd;dplk; jpUkzk; nra;ayhkh
vd MNyhrid Nfl; L tUgtHfsplk; $ l>
jpUkzk; nra;tjw;Fk; ,jw;Fk; rk;ge;jk; ,y;iy>
jpUkzk; nra;Aq;fs; vd;W $WfpNwd;. jpUkzk;
nra; a tpUg; g k; ,y; y hjtHfs; $ l> jpUkzk;
nra;tJ mtrpak; vd typAWj;JfpNwd;.
Md; k P f j; j py; rpyUf; F mupjhd rpy rf; j pfs;
fpilj;JtpLfpd;wd. mJNt rpyrkak; mtHfisj;
jdpikg; g Lj; j ptpLfpd; w J. ,g; g bj; jdpikg;
gLj;jg;gl;ltHfspy; ngUk;ghNyhH nksdpfshfp
tpLfpwhHfs;. rpyH jq;fsJ rf;jpfis
ntspf;fhl;bdhy; njhe;juthfp tpLnkd;W
nksdpfshfptpLfpwhHfs;.

Nf : mtHfs; NtWtpj epiyapy; ,Uf;fpwhHfsh?

= : vy;yhNk kNdh mk;re;jhd;. kdij vg;gb bA+z;
nra;fpNwhNkh mg;gb ehk; MfptpLfpNwhk;. rpy
nja;tPf mk;rq;fis ntspg;gLj;Jk; nja;tPfkhd
- 65 -
 rf;jpkpf;ftHfshff;$l ePqf
; s; khwp tplyhk;.
kdpj kdJ vd;gJ> nja;tf P kdjhf khwptpLfpwJ.
xU rf; j pkpf; f kdjhf khwptpLfpd; w J. me; j
msTf; F f; $ l ekJ kdij tbtikf; f yhk; .
ekJ mZF Kiwapdhy;> ehk; ekJ Tuning I
Liberate gz;zr; nrhy;YfpNwhk;.

Nf : Auto TuningI kl;Lk; mDkjpf;fpNwhk;.

= : Mkhk;. #o;epiyf;F Vw;g> #o;epiyia epHthfk;
nra;a> jhdhf VjhtJ Tuning Vw;gLk;. mJNt
NghJk;. mJ jhdhf Vw;gl;L jhdhf kiwe;J
tpLk;. ,e;j Tuningjhd; Ntz;Lk; vd;W ehk;
NjHe;njLg;gjpy;iy.

Nf : NjLjy; ,Ue; j hy; ehk; vjpyhtJ rpf; f pf;

nfhs;sNthk; vdf; $WfpwPHfs;.
= : kNdhuP j pahd rpy Tuning %yk; rpytif
rf;jpfis ehk; ngwyhk;. mjw;fhf Kaw;rp nra;J
mjidg; ngwyhk;. mJ XH cyfpay; ,yhgk;
Nghd; w Nj. mJ xU tpisahl; l hfr; nra; j hy;
gpur; r pid fpilahJ. mijNa Serious Mfr;
nra;jhy;jhd; rpf;fyhfptpLk;.
Nf : cq;fSf;F mg;gb VjhtJ rf;jp Vw;gl;L mjidf;
fle;J te;jpUf;fpwPHfsh?
= : mj;jifa rf;jpfs; vitAk; vdf;F Vw;gl;ljhfj;
Njhd; w tpy; i y. me; j rf; j pfis Nehf; f pa
vjpHghHg;Gk; ,y;iy. MfNt mjw;fhd Kaw;rp
fspYk; <Lgltpy; i y. Qhdk; ngWtjpy; j hd;
vdf;F MHtk; ,Ue;jNjnahopa> rf;jp ngWtjpy;

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 xUNghJk; MHtk; ,Ue;jjpy;iy.
Nf : nghUshjhu Kd;Ndw;wj;Jf;Fk; ,jw;Fk; njhlHG
VNjDk; cz;lh?
= : mjw;Fk; ,jw;Fk; ve;jj; njhlHGk; fpilahJ.
nghUshjhu Kd; N dw; w k; vd; g J Gw cyifr;
rhHe; j J. mij ehk; mjw; f hd Kaw; r pfspd;
%ykhfj;jhd; rhjpf;fNtz;Lk;. mjw;F ehk; ve;jj;
jiliaAk; tpjpf; f tpy; i y. mJ Njitahd
tsHr;rpjhd;.

Nf : rpy kjj; j tHfs; jq; f s; kjj; N jhL gyiuAk;

NrHj;J jq;fs; kjj;ij tpupTg;gLj;Jfpd;whHfs;.
mJ rupjhdh?
= : ehk; nrhy;YtJ jdpegH rk;ge;jg;gl;lJ. ePqf; s;
cq;fSf;Fs; Rje;jpuk; miltJ vg;gb vd;gNjhL
njhlHGilaJ. kjk; vd;gJ rKjhak; rhHe;jJ.
mjpy; ey;yJ Vw;glyhk;@ gpur;rpidfSk;
Vw; g lyhk; . mfj; i jg; nghUj; j stpy; eP q ; f s;
vy;yhtw;wpypUe;Jk; tpLgl;bUg;gJjhd; rupahdJ.
Gwj;ijg; nghUj;jstpy; kjj;ijr; rhHe;jpUg;gjpy;
jtwpy;iy. ehk; nrhy;YtJ Personal matter.
cq; f isg; nghUj; j stpy; eP q ; f s; tpLjiy
mile; J tpl; l hy; cq; f isg; nghUj; j stpy;
cq;fsJ mfg; gpur;rpidfs; midj;Jk;
Kbtile;JtpLfpd;wd.
Nf : fdTfisg; gw;wp vd;d nrhy;YfpwPHfs;?
= : fdTfs; midj; J k; ele; J Kbe; j gpwFjhd;
ekf; F j; njupfpd; w d. mtw; i w Kbe; J Nghd
xd;whf vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhNy NghJk;.

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Nf : kNdhuPjpahd jpahdk; rk;ge;jg;gl;l gapw;rpfs;
vtw;iwahtJ ePqf; s; nfhLf;fpwPHfsh?
= : ehd; nfhLg; g jpy; i y. vj; j idNah tpjkhd
gapw;rpfis vj;jidNah egHfs; nfhLf;fpwhHfs;.
mjidNa ePq;fSk; gapw;rp nra;ayhk;.
mjdhy; yhgk; cz; L . kdjstpYk; > cly;
mstpYk; MNuhf;fpak; fpilf;Fk;.

Nf : gpwe;j Foe;ijahdJ> mjDila mwpT tsHr;rp

milAk; tiuapy;> ePqf
; s; nrhy;yf;$ba epiyapy;
cs;sJ vd vLj;Jf;nfhs;syhk;?
= : Foe; i j mg; g bj; j hd; ,Uf; f pwJ. ek; i kg;
nghUj; j tiuapYk; > ehk; ,e; j j; njspTf; F
tUNthkhdhy; ehKk; Foe;ijahf khwp
tpLfpNwhk;. mwpit itj;Jf; nfhz;Nl me;jf;
Foe;ij epiyf;Fg; Ngha; tpLfpNwhk;.

Nf : mwpit itj; J f; n fhz; L Foe; i j epiyf; F g;

Ngha; tpLfpNwhkh?
= : Mkhk; . Foe; i j> mwpT tsHr; r p milahj
epiyapy;> ,aw;ifahf me;j epiyapy; cs;sJ.
mJ rpwg;ghdjy;y. mwpitAk; itj;Jf;nfhz;Nl
Foe;ij epiyf;Fg; NghtJjhd; rpwg;G. Foe;ij
vy;yhtw;iwAk; Rygkhf kwe;JtpLk;. vtuhtJ
Foe; i jf; F j; Jd; g k; nfhLj; j ijAk; Rygkhf
kwe;JtpLk;. kdjpy; epidT itj;Jf;
nfhz;bUg;gjpy;iy. ehKk; mg;gb midj;ijAk;
Flowtpy; tpl;LtpLfpNwhk;.
Nf : ,ay;ghf me;j epiyf;F te;J tpLfpd;Nwhk;.

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= : Mkhk; @ xU jput epiyf; F te; J tpLfpNwhk; .
kdJ vijAk; gpbthjkhfg; gpbj;Jf;
nfhs;tjpy;iy.
Nf : tsHr;rp mile;j Foe;ijahfptpLfpNwhk; ?
= : Mkhk;.
Nf : Gj;jH Qhdk; milAk; NghJ> ntsp%r;ir tpl;L
tpl;L cs;%r;irf; ftdpg;gjhff; $WfpwhHfs;.
mjw; F k; eP q ; f s; $Wk; Qhdj; J f; F k; njhlHG
cz;lh?
= : Gj;jH gw;wpa me;jr; nra;jp cz;ikahf ,Uf;f
KbahJ. mitnay;yhk; jpahdj;jpd; tifiar;
rhHe; j it. mtw; w hy; Tuning jhd; Vw; g Lk; .
Q h d N k h . Liberation V w ; g l h J . % r ; i r f ;
f t d p g ; g J m i d j ; J k ; Tuningj h d ; . G j ; j H
vj;jidNah gapw;rpfisr; nra;J ghHj;jpUf;fpwhH.
mtw;Ws; ,J ey;y gapw;rpahf ,Ug;gjhy; jdJ
rPlHfSf;F ,jid gupe;Jiwf;fpwhH. mjdhy;
jg;G vJTk; fpilahJ. Mdhy; Gj;jH Qhdk;
mile;jJ> mij itj;jy;y.

Nf : mg;gb mile;jhH vd;W nrhy;y Kbahjy;yth?

= : mg;gb miltjw;F rhj;jpaNk ,y;iy. mg;gb
milaNt KbahJ.

Nf : Gj;jUila fUj;Jf;fspy; gy jpupG gl;Ls;sd.

cq;fs; fUj;Jf;fs;$l fhyg;Nghf;fpy; jpupj;Jf;
$wg;gl;Ltplyhk;.
= : mg;gbj;jhd;.

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Nf : ruzhfjp %ykhf gf;jHfs; milAk;
tpLjiyf;Fk;> ePq;fs; nrhy;Yk; tpLjiyf;Fk;
VjhtJ tpj;jpahrk; cs;sjh?
= : ve;j tpj;jpahrKk; fpilahJ. ,uz;Lk; xd;Wjhd;.
mq;Nf ,iwtd; ngaiur; nrhy;yp>
vy;yhtw;iwAk; mtNd elj;Jfpwhd;@ vdf;nfd;W
ve;j nraYk; fpilahJ vd;w KbTf;F tUfpwhd;.
,q;F ehk; ekJ mwptpd; %ykhf Ma;T nra;J>
ekJ ,ayhikia mwpTG+Htkhf czHe; J
nfhs;fpNwhk;. ,jdhy; ekf;Fk; ve;jr; nraYk;
,y;yhky; Ngha;tpLfpwJ. midj;Jk; ek;ik
kP w pj; jskhf elf; f pwJ vd; w KbTf; F te; J
tpLfpNwhk;. nrhy;yg;Nghdhy;> ruzhfjp kpfTk;
Rygk;. mwpitg; Nghl;L Fog;gpf;nfhs;sNtz;ba
mtrpaNk ,y; i y. KOtijAk; Rygkh f
,iwtd; nghWg;gpy; tpl;LtpLfpwhHfs;. Mdhy;
,e; j f; fhyj; J f; F mJ rupg; g lhJ. me; j f;
fhyj; j py; ek; g pf; i f vd; g J kpfTk; Rygkhf
,Ue;jJ. ,e;jf; fhyj;jpy; ek;gpf;iffs; vy;yhk;
kpfTk; gytPdkhf ,Uf;fpwJ.
Nf : gf;jp khHf;fk;> Qhd khHf;fk;> fHk khHf;fk; vd;W
%d;whff; $wg;gLfpwJ. fHk khh;f;fk; vd;why;
vd;d?
= : fHkj;ij vtUNk Gwf;fzpf;f KbahJ. fHkk;
,y;yhky; ,e;j cyfNk ,aq;fhJ. vy;NyhUk;
fHkj; i jr; nra; J jhd; MfNtz; L k; . VjhtJ
xU fhuzj;ijr; nrhy;yp fHkj;ijg; Gwf;fzpg;gJ
jhd; jtW. KO gpu gQ; rKk; nraypd;
%ykhfj;jhd; ,aq;FfpwJ.

Nf : rpyH fHkhit Gwf;fzpf;fpwhHfs; vd;W

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 $WfpwhHfNs> mJ vd;d? xU cjhuzk; nrhy;y
KbAkh?
= : rpyH Qhdk; mile;j gpwF gpri ; r vLj;Jf;nfhz;L
thOfpwhHfs;. Jwtwj;ijg; Nghjpf;fpwhHfs;. vdJ
mZFKiwapd; g b mJ jtW. Gj; j Nu $l
Jwtpfis cw; g j; j p nra; J tpl; l hH. Qhdpapd;
Ntiy> Qhdpia cUthf;FtJ kl;LNk. nraiy
xUNghJk; Gwf; f zpf; f f; $lhJ. fHkhTf; F
MjuTjhd; nfhLf;fNtz;Lk;.
Nf : nray;fis vy;yhk; tpl;lhy;jhd; Qhdk; ngw
KbAk; vd;W rpy ,lq;fspy; $wg;gLfpwNj.
= : kNdhuPjpahd nray;fisj;jhd; tplr;
nrhy;YfpwhHfs;. Gwr;nraiy my;y.
Nf : fP i japy; fpU\; z H> ehd; vy; y htw; W f; F k;
rhl;rpahf ,Uf;fpNwd; vd;W $WfpwhH. mtH ekJ
,jaj;jpDs; mg;gb rhl;rpahf ,Uf;fpwhuh ?
= : rhl;rp epiy vd;W xU epiy ,Uf;fpwJ. tpLjiy
vd;gNj xU rhl;rp epiyjhd;. Mdhy; mjidf;
nfhz; L tuNtz; L k; vd; W epidf; f f; $ lhJ.
nfhz; L tu Kaw; r pj; j hy; me; j epiy tuhJ.
mJNt ehk; milaNtz; b a XH ,yf; f hf
khwptpLk;. gpwF mJ xUNghJk; rhl;rpahf khwhJ.
epoy;fisj; Njb ehk; NghfNtz;lhk;.
ntspr;rj;ij Nehf;fp ehk; Nghf Muk;gpj;jhy;>
epoy;fs; midj;Jk; mJthf ek;ikg; gpd;gw;wp
te;JtpLk;. rhl;rp epiy> choiceless
awareness, sensitiveness, attension , i t
midj;Jk; jhkhf cq;fisg; gpd;gw;wp
te; J tpLk; . ehk; mtw; i w ehbdhy; > mit

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 cq;fis Vkhw;wptpl;L XbtpLk;.
Nf : Foe; i j kdJld; ,Ug; g J jhd; Qhd epiy
vd;W $WfpwPHfsh?
= : Qhd epiy vd;gJ xU njspT epiy. mwpT
G+Htkhd njspT epiy. ehk; nra; t jw; N fh>
miltjw;Nfh vJTk; ,y;iy vd;gij> mwpT
G+Htkhfg; Gupe; J nfhs; S tJjhd; Qhd epiy.
mjdhy; Vw;gLk; tpisit> ehk; tpLjiy my;yJ
Liberation vd;W $WfpNwhk;. me;j tpLgl;l epiy
jhd; Foe;ijj; jd;ikahf ,Uf;fpwJ. Qhdk;
vd;gJ mwpTG+Htkhd xU njspT jhd;. mwpitg;
gad;gLj;jp> mwpNt ekf;F Vw;gLj;jpa fl;Lf;fis
cilj;J tpLfpNwhk;.
Nf : ,e;j epiy ekf;F kl;Le;j
; hd; gad;gLkh?
= : ekf; F kl; L e; j hd; gad; g Lk; . ,ij ek; k hy;
kw; w tHfSf; F f; nfhLf; f Kbe; j hy; mLj; j tH
fSf; F k; ,e; j j; njspit Vw; g Lj; j yhk; . ehk;
njspT ngw; w hy; > mJ VjhtJ xU tifapy;
rKjhaj; j pw; F k; ey; y jhfNt mikAk; . ey; y
kdpjuhy; ey;y nray;fisj;jhNd nra;aKbAk;?

Nf : rpy rkaq;fspy; ehk; rpy epfo;r;rpfspd; NghJ

mtkhdg;gLfpNwhk;. xUtH ek;ikj; jpl;LfpwhH
vd; w hy; ehk; mjid mg; g bNa Vw; W f; n fhs; s
Ntz;Lkh?
= : jpl;Ltij Vw;Wf; nfhs;SkhW ehd; $wtpy;iy.
jpl;Lk; NghJ ekf;F kdk; ghjpg;G milfpd;wJ.
me; j kdg; ghjpg; i gj; j hd; Vw; W f; n fhs; s r;
nrhy;YfpNwd;.

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Nf : vdf; F ghjpg; G Vw; g lhjgb ghHj; J f; nfhs; s
Ntz;lhkh?
= : mg;gb ek;khy; ghHj;Jf; nfhs;sKbahJ. mJ
ek; i k mwpahkNyNa Vw; g l; L tpLk; . ghjpg; G
Vw;gLtJ vd;gJ ekJ iffSf;Fs; mlq;fpaJ
my;y.

Nf : mg; g b ghjpg; G Vw; g Lk; N ghJ> ek; i kawpahky;

Nfhgk; Vw;gl;lhy; guthapy;iy vd;W tpl;Ltpl
Ntz;baJjhdh?
= : Nfhgk; Vw; g LtJk; ek; i kawpahky; Vw; g l; L
tpLfpwJ. me;jf; Nfhgj;ij kw;wtHfs; kPJ fhl;Lk;
NghJjhd; > mjid ehk; iffspy; vLj; J f;
nfhs;SfpNwhk;. Gwr; nray;fspy; ehk; <LgLk;
NghJ #o;epiyf;F Vw;wthWk;> jHk epahaq;fis
mDrupj;Jk; nray;gl Ntz;LtJ ekJ flik.
mg;gbNa ekJ Nfhgk; ek;ik mwpahj epiyapy;
ntspg;gl;L> ntspg;Gwj;jpYk; ghjpg;ig Vw;gLj;jp
tpl;lhYk; $l> mijAk; ek;ikawpahky; Vw;gl;l
nrayhff; fUjp> mijAk; tplL ; tpl Ntz;Lk;.
Nf : nfhQ; r fhyjpjpw; F Kd; d hy; xU nusb xU
rhkpahiu fz;lgb mbj;J tpl;lhH. me;j rhkpahH
ve;j vjpHg;igAk; fhl;lhky;> mtdplk; mbthq;fpf;
nfhz;lhH. mtDk; mtdhy; Kbe;jtiu mbj;J
tplL; g; Ngha; tpll ; hd;. me;j rhkpahH> elf;ff; $l
Kbahky; jto;eJ ; nfhz;Nl Nghf Ntz;bajhfp
tpll
; J. ePqf; s; nrhy;Yk; me;j epiyapy; ,Ue;jhy;
jhd;> me;j rhkpahUf;F ,g;gb ele;J nfhs;s
Kbe;jjh?
= : ekJ k di j > e hk; r py t i ff sp y ; Tune
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 gz;ZtJk; rhj;jpaNk. vy;yhtw;iwAk; Vw;Wf;
nfhs;Stijg; Nghy; mtH jdJ kdij Tune
gz;zpapUf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy; mtH mt;thW ele;J
nfhz;bUf;fyhk;. jdJ ,ay;ig ntspff ; hl;lhky;
,Ug; g J rupahdJ vd; W $w KbahJ.
cq;fSila ,ay;ig ntspf;fhl;Lk; epiyapYq;
$l> ePq;fs; ,e;j tpLgl;l epiyapy; ,Ug;gJ
jhd;> rupahdJ. ve;j czHTfSNk ,y;yhky;
Rj; j khd rpNyl; l hf ,Uf; f Ntz; L k; vd; g J
fl;lhaky;y. me;j epfo;it vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;>
mtH jd;idf; fhg;ghw;Wtjw;F Ntz;ba
Kaw;rpfis vLj;jpUf;f Ntz;Lk; vd;gJ jhd;>
vd;idg; nghUj;j mstpy; rupahfg;gLfpwJ. me;j
Kaw;rpfspy; <Lglhj gl;rj;jpy>; mtH vNjh xU
tifapy; jd;id Tune gz;zp itj;jpUf;fpwhH
vd;Wjhd; nghUs;. mg;gb Tuning Mdjhy;> mtu;
xNu uhfj;ij thrpjJ; tplL; g; Ngha;tpll
; hH. vy;yh
uhfq;fisAk; mtH thrpff ; f; $ba jd;ikapy;
,Ug;gJ jhd; rupahdJ.
Nf : xUtH ek;ikj; jpl;b tpl;lhH. ehKk; Nfhgg;gl;L
gjpYf;Fj; jpl;b tpLfpNwhk;. gpwF jdpikapy;
cl;fhHe;J> ehk; ,g;gbg; gjpYf;Fj; jpl;bapUf;ff;
$lhJ> vd kdtUj;jg;gLfpNwhk;. gpwF ele;jJ
ele; J g; N gha; t pl; l J vd; W > mjid mg; g bNa
tplL
; tpLtJ jhd; rupah?
= : ele;jJ vy;yhk; ek;ikawpahky; ele;Jtpl;lJ
vd mjidr; Rygkhf vLj; J f; n fhs; t Jjhd
rup. ekJ ,ay;ig easy Mf vLj;Jf; nfhz;Nl
Ngha;tplNtz;Lk;.

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Nf : Be a Budha inside and be a warrior outside
vd;W xU thrfk; cz;L. cs;Ns Gj;juhfTk;>
ntspNa NghH tP u dhfTk; ,U vd; W mJ
$WfpwJ. ,Jjhdh ePqf
; s; $WtJ?
= : rupjhd;. Mdhy; Gj;juhf ,Ug;gJ vd;gJ VNjh
xU cd;djkhd jd;ikiag; gpbj;J itj;Jf;
nfhz; b Ug; g jy; y > ek; K ila ,ay; G vg; g b
,Uf;fpwNjh> mJ jhd; Gj;j jd;ik. Gj;juhf
,Ug;gij xU nrk;ikahd kdepiyNahL> Gj;jj;
jd;ikNahL ,Ug;gJ vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;>
mJNt gpur;rpidiaf; nfhz;Lte;JtpLk;. ePqf ; s;
vg;gb ,Uf;fpwHP fNsh> mJ jhd; Gj;jUila epiy.
xU nkd;ikahd epiyjhd; Gj;jUila epiy
vd;W mHj;jky;y. cq;fis mwpahky;
cq;fSf;Fs; Vw;gLk; mj;jid epiyfSk; Gj;jH
epiyNa. ek;Kila epfo;fhy epiyia mg;gbNa
Vw;wf;nfhs;Sk; epiyjhd; Gj;jHepiy.

Nf : tpLjiy mile; j epiyapy; cs; s tHfSf; F

Vw;gLk; kdg; ghjpgG; fs; mtHfis tplL
; g;Ngha;
tpLkh?
= : mtHfs; jput epiyapypUg; g jhy; midj; J
mDgtq;fSk; tpiuthf khwptplj;jhd; nra;Ak;.
fhyg; Nghf;fpy; Rj;jpfupg;G ,af;fKk; NrHe;J
ele;J nfhz;bUf;fpwJ. ek;Kila ,ay;Gq;$l
me; e piyapy; Rj; j pfupf; f g; gl; L f; n fhz; N lapUf;
fpwJ. ek;Kila Nfhgg;gLk; ,ay;G> gag;gLk;
,ay; G Mfpait$l khwp mike; J nfhz; N l
,Uf; f pwJ. ek; K ila ,ay; G jhd; mDgtkhf
khWfpwJ@ mDgtq;fs;jhk; ,ay;Gfshf khWfpwJ.
mJ xU Row; r pahf ele; J nfhz; b Uf; f pwJ.
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 xd; w py; Vw; g l; l khWjy; > mLj; j tw; W f; F k;
nrd;wilfpwJ. ,ay;Ng khwp mikAk; epiyapy;
vy; y htw; i wAk; Rygkhf vLj; J f; n fhs; S k;
jd;ik te;JtpLfpdw ; J.

Nf : njspTf;F Kd;dhYk;> njspTf;Fg; gpwFk; vd;d

tpjkhd khw;wj;ij mile;Js;sHP fs;?
= : ,af; f q; f is mJNghf; f py; ele; j pl mDkjpj;
Js; N sd; . fhupd; Kd; rPl; b y; cl; f hHe; J
];Bahpq;ifg; gpbj;Jf; nfhz;bUe;j ehd;> mjid
tpl;L tpl;L> gpd; rPlb
; w;F te;J tpl;Nld;. tz;b
mJNghf; f py; NghfpwJ. ,itnay; y hk; > ekJ
mfepiyahf kl;Lk; vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;.

Nf : ,e;jg; gpugQ;rNk xU xOq;F Kiwapy; ,aq;fp

tUfpwJ vd;gij Vw;Wf;nfhs;SfpwHP fsh?
= : Gw cyf ,af;fk; VNjh xU xOq;F Kiwapy;
,aq;FfpwJ vd rpyH $WfpwhHfs;. mtHfSila
thHj; i jfis ek; g p ehKk; mg; g bf; $wpf;
nfhs; s yhk; . vdf; F mJ gw; w p Neubahfj;
njupahJ. mg;gbf; $WgtHfs; ek;gf;$batHfshf
,Uf; F k; gl; r j; j py; > mtHfs; $WtijAk;
ek;gpj;jhd; MfNtz;Lk;. rpy #l;kkhd rf;jpfSk;>
rpy #l; R kkhd epHthf mikg; G fSk; $l
,Uf;fyhk;.
Nf : ePq;fs; vy;yhtw;iwAk; cs;slf;fpa gpuk;kkhf
cq;fisf; fUJfpwHP fsh?
= : vy;yhtpj mDgtq;fSk; ---- mjhtJ xU ruhrup
kdpjDf; F Vw; g Lk; czHTfs; ---- te; J
Nghfpd;wd. ve;j czHitAk; vdf;Fr;
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 nrhe;jkhf;fpf; nfhs;Stjpyi; y. vy;yhtw;iwAk;
xd;whfg; ghHj;jy; vDk; mDgtk; $l Nahfh
---- jpahdj;ijr; rhHe;j xd;NwahFk;.

Nf : jpahdk;> Nahfh vd;W gyUk; gapwr

; p nra;fpwhHfs.;
mjdhy; fpilf;Fk; Kf;jp epiyAk;> ePqf; s; $Wk;
Kf;jp epiyAk; xd;Wjhdh?
= : jpahdk;> Nahfh Mfpait vy;yhk; mDgtq;fis
kl;LNk nfhLf;Fk;. jz;zhP ; ,Ug;gjhf itj;Jf;
nfhs;SNthk;. mjidg; gdpf; fl;bahf khw;w
KbAk;. gdpf;fl;b vd;gJ jz;zPupd; ,ay;ghd
epiyay;y. jput epiyjhd; jz;zPupd; nrhe;j
epiyahFk;. gdpf;fl;bahf khWk; NghJ mJ xU
tbtj; i j vLj; J tpLfpwJ. ve; j g; ghj; j puj; j py;
me;jj; jz;zPiu Cw;wp mjidf;
FspHtpf;fpNwhNkh> me;jg; ghj;jpuj;jpd; tbtpy;
mJ> gdpf;fl;bahfptpLfpwJ. ehk; jputepiyapy;
,Ue;jhYk;$l> ehk; ghj;jpuj;jpDs; ,lk; ngWk;
NghJ> ghj;jpu tbTf;F khwptplj;jhd; nra;fpNwhk;.
Mdhy; ehk; gdpf;fl;bahf khwhj tiu>
ghj;jpuj;jpd; tbit ehk; epue;jkhf jf;fitj;Jf;
nfhs;Stjpy;iy. lk;supy; ehk; ,Ug;Nghkhapd;
lk;sH tbtpy; khwp tpLfpNwhk;. gpwF ghl;bypy;
Cw;wpdhy; ghl;by; tbtpy; khwptpLfpNwhk;. mJNt
ciw epiyf; F te; J tpl; l J vd; w hy; > me; j
,lj;ijNa> me;j tbtj;ijNa gpbj;J itj;Jf;
nfhs;Sk;. jz;zPuhf khWk;tiu> me;j
epiyapNyjhd; ,Uf;f Ntz;baJ ,Uf;Fk;. ehk;
gapw;rp> Kaw;rpfspy; <LgLk;NghJ> ekJ kdJ
xU tifapy; bA+z; nra;ag;gl;LtpLfpwJ. ehk;

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 xU tbitg; ngw;WtpLfpNwhk;. mJ epue;jukhdj;
jPHT my;y. mJ xU jw; f hypfkhd jP H itNa
nfhLf; F k; . Mdhy; ehk; jputj; jd; i kapy;
,Ue; j hy; epue; j ukhd jP H T ekf; F f; fpilj; J
tpLfpwJ. ekf; n fd; W epue; j ukhd xU epiy
fpilahJ. #o;epiyf;Nfw;g ehk; xU ghj;jpukhf
ehk; khwptpLfpNwhk;. gpwF me;j tbitf; fiyj;J
tpLfpNwhk;. xU rpdpkh ebfH vj;jidNah fjh
ghj; j puq; f spy; ebf; f yhk; . mtUf; n fd; W ve; j
ghj; j puj; i jAk; nrhy; y KbahJ. QhdpAk; >
ajhHj;j epiyapy; #o;epiyf;Nfw;g VNjh xU
,ay;Gld; nray;gLfpd;whH. mtUf;nfd;W ve;j
,ay;Gk; fpilahJ. gdpf;fl;b Nghd;w ciwepiy
vd; g J rpy mDgtq; f NshL jq; f papUg; g ijg;
Nghd; w J. mJ Muk; g fhy rhjfDf; F
cjtpahfTk;> ed;ik gag;gjhfTk;
mike; j pUf; F k; . Mdhy; fhyg; N ghf; f py; mJ
rupahdjy; y . gdpf; f l; b epiyapypUe; J > jput
epiyf; F te; J tplNtz; L k; . mJjhd; liberated
epiy. tpLgl;lepiy.
Nf : Qhdg; ghijapy; ehk; nrd;whYk;> rpy rkaq;fspy>;
rpy epiyfis ehk; jf;f itj;Jf;nfhs;Sk;gb
Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. jput epiyf;F Rygkhf te;J
tpl Kbtjpyi ; y.
= : ek;Kila md;whl tho;tpy; ehk; rpy
mDgtq; f is vjpH nfhs; S fpNwhk; . me; j
mDgtq; f Sf; F s; ehk; rpf; f pf; n fhz; l jhfTk;
czUfpd;Nwhk;. ,q;F ehk; ftdpf;f Ntz;ba
xNu XH mk;rk; kl;Lk; cs;sJ. mjhtJ ehkhf
tpUk;gp me;j mDgtj;NjhL ,Uf;fpNwhkh> my;yJ

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 me;j mDgtk; mJ Nghf;fpy; ek;kplk; jq;fptpll ; jh
vd; g ijg; g hHf ; f N tz; L k; . ek f ; F N f h g k ;
Vw;gLfpwJ. me;jf; Nfhgk; jhdhf te;Js;sjh>
my;yJ ePqf ; shf me;jf; Nfhgj;ij mq;fPfupj;J
Vw;Wf;nfhz;bUf;fpwPHfsh? cq;fis mwpahky;
vJ epfo;ej ; hYk;> my;yJ njhlHe;jhYk;> mjw;F
ePq;fs; Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLf;fj; Njitapy;iy.
ePq;fs; nghWg;ngLf;fj; Njitapy;iy. mjid
khw; w paikf; F k; flik vJTk; cq; f Sf; F f;
fpilahJ.
Nf : jhkhf tUk; ve;j czHTfisANk ehk;
nghUl;gLj;j Ntz;bajpyi ; y?
= : Mkhk; . nghUl; g Lj; j Ntz; b ajpy; i y. xU
cjhuzkhf> cq;fs; tPlL ; f;Fs; jpBnud xU
igj; j paf; f hud; Eioe; J tpLfpwhd; . eP q ; f s;
cq; f isawpahkNyNa nld; r Ndh> NfhgNkh
mile; J tpLfpwP H fs; . cq; f isawpahky; te; j
Nfhgj;ij> ePqf ; shf tpUk;gp ifapy; vLj;J> mtd;
kPJ gpuNahfk; nra; J mtid tpul; b
mDg; G fpwP H fs; . eP q ; f shf tpUk; g p ifapy;
vLj; j jhy; mJ cq; f s; nghUshfNt khwp
tpLfpwJ. eP q ; f s; tpUk; g pdhy; Nfhgg; g l; L f;
nfhs;syhk;> Ntz;lhk; vd;why;> tpl;Ltplyhk;.
mJ cq; f s; iftrk; cs; s J. VjhtJ xU
gpur; r pidapd; N ghJ> eP q ; f s; tpUk; g hkNyNa
cq; f Sf; F s; Nfhgk; my; y J gak; Vw; g l; L
tpLfpwJ. mg;NghJ mJ cq;fSf;F te;jpUf;ff;
$lhJ vd;W epidg;gNjh> mjid mg;Gwg;gLj;j
Kaw;rp nra;tNjh rupay;y. mg;gbr; nra;tjd;
%yk;> cq;fisawpahky; me;j czHTfSf;F
ePqf
; Ns nghWg;Ngw;Wf;nfhz;ljhf MfptpLfpwJ.
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Nf : ekf;F ,g;gbf; Nfhgk; tuyhkh vd vz;ZfpNwhk;.
= : ,g; g b ekf; F xU guilty consciousness Vw; g l; L
tpLfpwJ ---- xU Fw;w czHT Vw;gl;L tpLfpwJ.
Fw; w czHT NjitNa fpilahJ. Vnddpy;
cq; f isawpahky; epfo; e ; j vjw; F k; eP q ; f s;
nghWg; N gw; f Ntz; b a mtrpaNk ,y; i y.
mtw; i w mJNghf; f py; tpl; L tpl; l hy; > mit
jhkhfNt kiwe;JtpLk;. #o;epiyia epHthfk;
nra; a Nth> my; y J cq; f s; gy`P d j; j pdhNyh
mg; g bf; Nfhgk; te; j pUf; f yhk; . mJ vg; g b
te;jpUe;jhYk; rup> mjid ePqf ; shf Kad;W rup
nra;aj;Njit ,y;iy.

Nf : vdf;F ,g;gbf; Nfhgk; tUk; NghJ> ehd; ,g;gbj;

jhd; epidj; J f; n fhs; S Ntd; . ehd; ,d; D k;
NghJkhd msT gf;Ftk; milatpyi ; y. mjdhy;
jhd; ekf; F f; Nfhgk; tUfpwJ vd vz; z pf;
nfhs;Ntd;.

= : mg;gb epidf;fj; Njitapyi ; y. mg;gb cq;fis

Under estimate nra; J nfhs; S k; N ghJ> gpwF
eP q ; f s; cq; f is vjpHj; N j Nghuhl Ntz; b a
epiyf;Fj; js;sg;gl;L tpLfpwHP fs;. ePqf; s; mila
Ntz;ba ,yf; F xd; i wAk; cUthf; f p
tpLfpd;wPHfs;. xU rPuhd kd epiyia Nehf;fp
efu Muk; g pf; f pwP H fs; . Kaw; r pfs; gy Vw; g l; L
tpLfpd;wd. mijg; gpd;gw;wp vy;yhg;
Nghuhl;lq;fSk; te;JtpLfpd;wd. mit
midj;Jk; cq;fis kPwp epfOfpd; w d vd
vLj; J f; n fhz; l hy; > cq; f s; mDgtq; f Sf; F
- 80 -
 ePqf
; s; nghWg;ghfkhl;BHfs;.
Nf : Ntfkhfg; NghFk; tz;bia gpNuf; NghLk; NghJ
me;j tz;b ghijia khw;wpj; jpUk;GtJ Nghy;
vy;NyhUf;Fk; ,e;j epiy Vw;gLkh?
= : vj;jidNah gapwr ; p Kaw;rpfspy; <LgLk;NghJ
Vw;gLk; kd mikjp> vy;yhtw;iwAk; iftpLk;
NghJk; cq;fSf;F Vw;gLk; gl;rj;jpy;> cq;fSf;
Fk; me;j khw;wk;> njspT Vw;gl;Ls;sJ vd;W
jhNd nghUs; ? khw; w k; vd; g J> fhH KOf; f
vjpH jpirapy; jpUk;gNtz;Lk; vd;W vjpHghHf;ff;
$lhJ. VNjh xU khw;wk; Vw;gl;Ls;sJ ntspg;
gilahfj; njupfpwJ. mJ tiuf;Fk;> Njbj; Njb
nray;gl;l kdJ> Njlhj epiyapy; nray;gLk;
jd;ikf;F te;JtpLfpwJ.
= : vy;yhNk cz;ikjhd;. cly;uPjpahfTk;>
kNdhuP j pahfTk; vy; y h tpjkhd khw; w q; f Sk;
Vw;gLk;. Mdhy; mitahTk; cq;fisawpahky;
jhkhf epfOk;. kNdhuPjpahd khw;wk; cldbahf
Vw; g l; L tpLk; . cly; u P j pahd khw; w k; rpWfr;
rpWfj;jhd; Vw;gLk;. kdk; vd;gJ jputepiyiag;
Nghd;wJ. cly; jplj;jd;ikAilaJ. jputj;jpy;
kpfr; Rygkhf khw;wk; Vw;gl;LtpLk;. jplg; nghUspy;
nfhQ;rk; nfhQ;rkhfj;jhd; khw;wk; Vw;gLk;. Mdhy;>
mjid ehk; vjpHghHf;fj; Njit ,y;iy.
Nf : mg; g b ehk; vjpHghHj; j hy; mJ xU Fw; w
czHTjhdh?
= : ehk; Vw;nfdNt ghHj;jg;gb> vy;yhtw;iwAk; mJ
Nghf; f py; elf; f mDkjpj; j hy; > ehk; vjw; F k;
nghWg;Ngw;f khl;Nlhk;. ehk; nghWg;Ngw;fhjNghJ>
Fw; w czHTf; F k; ,lk; fpilahJ. elg; g it
- 81 -
 midj;Jk; ek;ik kPwp ele;J tpLfpd;wd. ekJ
fl; L g; g hl; b y; ,y; y hjtw; W f; F ehk; vg; g b
nghWg;Ngw;fKbAk;? jg;ghfNt ehk; vijahtJ
nra; J tpl; l hYk; > ek; i kawpahky; epfo; e ; J
; jhf vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;. mwpahky;
tpll
nra;j gpiofs; kd;dpf;fg;gLk; vd;W $WtJ
Nghy; > mtw; i w mwpahky; nra; J tpl; l jhf
vLj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;Lk;. me;epiyapy; cq;fSf;F
Vw;gLk; mj;jid mDgtq;fSf;Fk; ePqf ; s; O.K.
nfhLj;JtpLfpwHP fs;.

Nf : ekJ kdJ mq; N f ,q; N f miye; J nfhz; L

,Uf;Fk;NghJ> ehk; ,d;Dk; rupahd ,lj;Jf;F
tutpyi
; yNah vd vz;zj; Njhd;wptpLfpwJ.
= : Nahfhtpy; jhd; ,J rk; k e; j khd gapw; r pfs;
nfhLf;fg;gLfpd;wd. rpe;jidfis xU epiyg;
gLj; J tJ> kdk; miygha; t ij epWj; J tJ>
rpej
; idNa ,y;yhky; ,Ug;gJ> ,itnay;yhk;
Nahfhtpy; rhj;jpak;. ,itnay;yhk; gyhj;fhukhf
mtw; i w fl; b g; N ghLtJjhd; . Mdhy; mit
fl;Lf;fis cilj;J tpl;lhy;> kdepiy ghjpf;fg;
gl; l tHfshfTk; khwptpLfpwhHfs; . Kiwahd
,ak> epak tpujq;fSld; mtw;iwf;
filg;gpbj;jhy; jhd;> mtw;iw ePq;fs; ntw;wp
fukhff; ifahs KbAk; . cq; f s; tho; f ; i f
KiwiaAk; cq; f s; mD\; l hdj; J f; F Vw; g
khw; w pahfNtz; L k; . Mdhy; mitnay; y hk;
ekf;Fj; NjitNa ,y;iy.

Nf : m\;lhq;f khHf;fj;jpdhy; milaf; $ba Kbe;j

- 82 -
 epiyAk;> ePq;fs; nrhy;Yk; Qhd tpLjiyAk;
vd;Wjhdh?
= : m\;lhq;f khHf;fj;jpy; Vw;gLk; rkhjp epiyfspy;
xUtUila kd Xl;lq;fs; erpe;Jg;Ngha;tplyhk;.
me; j epiyapy; nra; t jw; F vJTk; ,y; y hj
epiyf; F f; N gha; t plyhk; . Mdhy; mtHfSf; F
vg; g b me; j epiy Vw; g l; l J vd; g ijf; $ l
mLj; j tHfSf; F vLj; J f; $ w KbahJ. rkhjp
epiyf;F kl;LNk top fhl;l KbAk;. rkhjp top
vd; g J kpfTk; fbdkhd ghij. mt; t sT
rpukj;jpd;Ngupy; mila Ntz;ba epiy ,Jty;y.
vspa epiyapNyNa ,J rhj; j pag; g Lk; NghJ>
,j;jid J}uk; ek;ik tUj;jpf;nfhs;sj;
Njitapy;iy. rpyH cyf tho;fi ; ff;Fk;> jpahd
tho;fi ; ff;Fk; ,ilapy; Kuz;ghL cs;stHfshf
,Uf;fpwhHfs;. xUtH [PNuh bfpup Fspupy; ,Ue;J
tpl;L> Rl;L vupf;Fk; ntapYf;F tUfpwhH vd
itj;Jf;nfhs;SNthk;. ,q;Nf miukzp Neuk;>
mq; N f miukzp Neuk; vd; W khw; w p khw; w p
,Ue;jhy; mtUila cly; MNuhf;fpak; vd;d
MFk;?
mJNghy; jpahdq; f spy; <LgLk; NghJ
xUtUf; F Mde; j khd mDgtq; f nsy; y hk;
Vw; g Lfpd; w d. mtHfs; cyfg; gpur; r pidfis
vjpHnfhs; S k; N ghJ> kdf; n fhjpg; G f; F cs; s h
fpwhHfs;. ,g;gb khwp khwp ,uz;Ltpjkhd vjpH
vjpH JUtq; f spy; mtHfSila mDgtq; f s;
Vw; g Lk; N ghJ> mtHfspy; rpyUf; F kdKwpT
Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. Gj;jp Ngjypf;Fk; epiyf;F te;J
tpLfpwhHfs;.

- 83 -
Nf : ,j; j ifa e pi y ap y ; , U g ; g t H fi s v d ; d
nra;ayhk;?
= : mtHfs; nry;Yk; ghijiaf; Fiwj;Jf;nfhs;s
Ntz; L k; . mtHfSila jpahd Kaw; r pfis
jPtpuj; jd;ikAld; nra;ahky;> tpisahl;lhfr;
nra;aNtz;Lk;. jpahdj;jpdhy; fpilf;Fk; Mde;j
mDgtq; f spd; kP J s; s gw; W fisf; Fiwf; f
Ntz;Lk;. rpj;Jf;fs;> rf;jpfs; ve;j msT ek;ikg;
ge;jg;gLj;JNkh> me;j msTf;F ,e;j Mde;j
mDgtq;fSk; ek;ikg; ge;jg; gLj;jptpLfpd;wd.
,e; j mDgtq; f s; vy; y hk; Muk; g fhyj; j py;
cjtpahfj;jhd; cs;sd. ,e;j ,d;g
mDgtq;fspd; fhuzkhfj;jhd;> cyf ,d;gq;fs;>
cyff;ftHr;rpfspypUe;J tpLgl;L Md;kpfj;jpy;
mf;fiwf; nfhz;ltHfshf khWfpNwhk;. ek;ik
newpg;gLj;Jtjw;F mit Njitg;gl;ld. gpwF
ehk; ,jw;F mbikg;gl;L tpl;Nlhnkd;why;> Gyd;
,d;gq;fSf;Fk;> Md;kf P ,d;gq;fSf;Fk; ,ilapy;
ve; j tpj; j pahrKk; fpilahJ. kJNghijapy;
mkHe;jpUg;gjw;Fk; > jpahdN g h i j a h y ;
mkHe;jpUg;gjw;Fk; ,ilapy; ve;j tpjj; pahrKk;
fpilahJ. ,uz; L Nk cq; f is Klkhf; f p
tpLfpd;wd. ,J Rje;jpukhd epiyay;y.Muk;g
fhyj;jpy; ,J kpfTk; ey;y epiyjhd;.
kJNghijapy; Mde; j kiltij tpl> jpahd
Nghijapy; Mde;jkiltJ rpwg;ghd xd;Wjhd;.
kJNghij cq; f Sf; F Nkhrkhd ghijiaNa
fhl;btpLfpwJ. jpahdNghij cq;fSf;F
tho;tpd; ey;y ghijiaf; fhl;bj; jUfpwJ. Mdhy;
ehk; khl;bf;nfhz;Nlhnkd;why;> ,uz;LNk ek;ik
%o;fbj;J tpLk;. vy;yhtw;iwAk; rf[khf Vw;Wf;
nfhs;Sk; jd;ikAila - 84 - tpLjiyjhd; rupahd
 epiy. me;epiyapy; ekf;F ,d;gKk; xd;Wjhd;
Jd;gKk; xd;Wjhd;. ,uz;LNk ed;Wjhd;. mjdhy;
jhd; Md; k P f j; j py; ,J> jP u khd epiy vd
tHzpf;fg;gLfpwJ. ,d;gj;ij ehb> ,q;F XLtJ
fpilahJ@ MfNt kuzj; i jf; $ l Jr; r khf
kjpf;ff; $baepiy Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. ,d;gNkh>
Jd;gNkh> vJ te;jhYk; O.K. nrhy;yf; $ba
Rje; j puk; ekf; F Vw; g l; L tpLfpwJ. miltjw; F
vJTNk ,y; i ynad; w epiyapy; j hd; > epfOk;
midj;Jf;Fk; O.K. nrhy;Yk; Rje;jpuk; ekf;Ff;
fpilf;fpwJ.

Nf : gpwtpNa Ntz; l hk; vd; W $WfpwhHfNs. mJ

gw;wp vd;d $WfpwHP fs;?
= : gpwtpNa Ntz; l hk; vd; W $WgtHfs; vd; d
epiyapypUe; J ,ijf; $WfpwhHfs; vd; g ijg;
ghHf; f Ntz; L k; . gpwtpiaf; fz; L gag; g Lk;
jd; i kiaNa fhl; L fpwJ. gpwtp Jd; g khdJ@
,d;ge;jhd; Ntz;Lk; vd;w czHTfisf ;
fhl;LfpwJ. Jd;gj;ijf; fz;L gag;gLfpwhHfs;.
mg;gbadhy; mtHfs; rupahd epiyf;F
tutpy;iynad;Nw mHj;jk;. xUtH ,e;j tpLjiy
czHit juprpj; J tpl; l hy; > gpwg; G ,wg; i g
Jr;rkhf kjpjJ ; tpLfpwhHfs;. vJ Ntz;LkhdhYk;
elf; f l; L k; vd vLj; J f; n fhs; S k; NghJjhd; >
mtHfs; gpwtpiaf; fle;j epiyf;F tUfpwhHfs;.
me;j epiyapy; mtHfs; fl;lhag;gLj;jp gpwf;f
itf;fg;gLtjpy;iy. mtHfSf;F> fHkh VjhtJ
ghf;fp ,Ue;jhYk;$l epHge;jkhd gpwg;G
mtHfSf;Ff; fpilahJ. mtHfs; rKjhaj;jpw;F

- 85 -
 VjhtJ ey;y fhupak; elf;f Ntz;bajhf ,Uf;Fk;
gl;rj;jpy>; mtHfs; jhq;fshf tpUk;gp gpwg;ngLj;Jf;
nfhs;SthHfs;. mJ xU fhuzg; gpwg;ghfNt
,Uf;Fk;.
Nf : ekJ gof;f tof;fq;fis vg;gb khw;wpaikg;gJ?
rpy jPa gof; f q; f s; Vw; g l; L tpLfpwJ@
mtw;wpypUe;J kPStJ vg;gb?
= : ,g;NghJ ehk; miltjw;F VNjh xU epiyia
vLj; J f; n fhs; S fpNwhk; . xU epiyia khw; w p
mikg; g Nj ehk; ,yf; f hf nfhz; L s; N shk; .
,yf; F vd; W VjhtJ te; J tpl; l hy; > mJ
rk;ge;jkhd Kaw;rpfSk;> gapw;rpfSk;
Kf;fpaj;Jtk; ngw;WtpLfpd;wd. rpy jPa
gof; f q; f spypUe; J vg; g b kP S tJ vd; W gy
tpjkhd gapw; r pfs; nfhLf; f g; gLfpd; w d.
mtw;iwnay;yhk; ehk; gad;gLj;jpf;nfhs;syhk;.
Mdhy; ek;ikg; nghWj;j mstpy;> ehk; vy;yh
Neha;fSf;Fk; xNu kUe;ijNa nfhLj;J
tpLfpNwhk;. ve;j epfo;TfSk; mjd; Nghf;fpy;
epfol;Lk;@ ehkhf Kide;J vtw;iwAk;
nra;a Ntz;lhk;. ,yhgkhapDk;> e\;lkhapDk;
rup> ehkhf Kide;J vijAk; nra;a Ntz;lhk;.
,Nj mZFKiwNa> ,j;jifa gof;f
tof; f q; f Sf; F k; $l nghUe; J k; . vt; t sT
Nkhrkhd gof;fkhdhYk; ek;ikawpahky; Vw;gLk;
NghJ> mjw;F nghWg;Ngw;f Ntz;lhk;. Mdhy;
mit ek; i kawpahky; Vw; g Ltjpy; i y. ehk;
<LghLfhl;b mq;fPfhuk; nfhLg;gjhy;jhd;> me;jg;
gof;ftof;fq;fs; ek;NkhL ,Uf;fpd;wd.
mj; j ifa gof; f tof; f q; f s; rk; g e; j khf mJ
vj; j ifa kd vOr; r piaf; nfhz; L te; j hYk;
- 86 -
 $l> ehk; mjw; F ek; K ila kdg; G +Htkhd
<Lghl;ilf; nfhLj;jhnyhopa> me;j gof;ftof;fk;
ek;ik Ml; n f h s ; s h J . ePq;fs; <LghL
fhl; l htpl; l hy; > mit jhkhfg; Ngha; t pLk; .
cq;fisawpahky; te;j kd vOr;rpfis
ePqf
; shff; ifapy; vLj;J gad;gLj;jptp;LfpwPHfs;.
nrhe;j tpUg;G ntWg;GfSld; mjidg;
gad; g Lj; j ptpLfpwP H fs; . gpwF mJ> cq; f is
mwpahky; Vw;gLtjy;y. ePq;fs; mwpe;Nj mjw;F
mDkjp nfhLj;J tpLfpwPHfs;. cq;fisawpahky;
vJ epfo; e ; j hYk; > mJ fhyg; N ghf; f py; jhkhf
jd;idr; rup nra;Jnfhs;Sk;. Gifg; gpbf;Fk;
gof;fk; ,Ug;gjhf itj;Jf;nfhz;lhy;> Gifg;
gpbf;Fk; vz;zk; ek;ikawpahky; jhd;
Vw;gLfpwJ. gpwF ehkhf tpUk;gp me;j czHTf;F
mq; f P f huk; nfhLj; J tpLfpNwhk; . ,e; j Kiw
gad; g Lj; j p nfhs; S Nthk; @ gpwF tpl; L tplyhk;
vd;W ekf; F ehNk $wpf; n fhs; f pNwhk; . vJ
epfo;ej ; hYk; cq;fisawpahky; epfOk; gl;rj;jpy;>
mJ jhdhfNt gykpoe;JtpLk;.
Nf: jpahdq;fs; gy nra;jhYk;> mJ ,e;j
gpur;rpidfspd; ikaj;ijr; nrd;wiltjpy;iy.
= : jpahdq;fs; nra;Ak;NghJ ey;y tpjkhd
mDgtq; f s; fpilf; f pwjy; y th> mitjhd;
jpahdj;jpd; ntw;wp. mit ekJ gpur;rpidfis
vy; y hk; jP H j; J tpLk; vd vjpH ghHg; g Jjhd;
jtW.
Nf : gpwF ehk; vg;gbjhd; jPHT fhz;gJ?
= : jpahdk; nra;tij ehk; cghakhff;

- 87 -
 nfhLg;gjpy;iy. Gupe;Jnfhs;tij kl;LNk ehk;
khHf; f khff; nfhLf; f pNwhk; . mit jhkhf
epfo; f pd; w d@ ehk; nra; t jw; F vJTk; ,y; i y
vd;W Gupe;Jnfhs;tJ kl;LNk NghJk;. mJjhd;
rupahd jP H itf; nfhz; L tUk; . ,e; e piyapy;
ekJ gpbthjq;fnsy;yhk; jsHtile;J
tpLfpd; w d. mjdhy; ekJ gpur; r pidfSk;
gykpoe;J Ngha;tpLfpd;wd. Njbf; nfhz;bUe;j
kdJ> NjLjiy epWj; j p tpLfpwJ. NjLjiy
epWj;jpajhy;> ekJ kd ,af;fq;fs; ,y;yhky;
Ngha; tpLtjpy;iy. Njbagb ,aq;fpa kdJ>
NjLjy; ,y;yhj epiyapy; ,aq;f Muk;gpf;fpwJ.
mg; g bj; Njlhky; ,aq; F tJ vd; w hy; vd; d
vd; w fz; L gpbg; G k; ekf; F Vw; g l; L tpLfpwJ.
me;j kdJ xU tpj;jpahrkhd gupkhzj;jpYk;
,aq; f Muk; g pj; J tpLfpd; w J. me; j kdjpy;
vJTNk jq; F tjpy; i y. vy; y h czHTfSk;
mJNghf; f py; te; J tpl; L > mJNghf; f py; Nghf
Muk; g pj; J tpLfpd; w d. me; j epiyiaj; j hd; >
Liberation my;yJ tpLjiy vd;W
Fwpg; g pLfpNwhk; . NjLtjhy; ,e; j tpLjiy
fpilg; g jpy; i y. vJTNk Njitapy; i y vd; W >
vijANk Njlhj epiyapy; > ,e; j Liberation
fpilj; J tpLfpwJ. Liberation Ntz; L nkd; W
N j b d h Y k ; $ l > m q ; F N j L k ; k d J j h d ;
nray; g l Muk; g pf; f pd; w J. Njlhj kdJ
nray;gLjpy;iy. mjdhy; ,e;j ypgNuridAk;
ehk; Njl KbahJ.
Nf : NjLjiy tpl;lTld; kdk; tpOe;J tpLfpd;wJ.
= : Mkhk;. kdk; tpOe;J tpl;lhYk;> kdJf;F nray;

- 88 -
vJTNk ,y; y hky; Ngha; t pLtjpy; i y. NtW
gupkhzj;jpy; mJ nray;gLfpd;wJ. ehk; kNdh
uPjpahfkl;Lk; miltjw;nfd;W ve;j
,yf;fpidAk; itj;Jf;nfhs;sNtz;lhk;.
cyfpay; uP j pahf ehk; ,yf; f pid itj; J f;
nfhs; s yhk; . itj; J f; n fhs; s j; j hd; Ntz; L k; .
kNdh uPjpahf there should be no torget. ,yf;Nf
,y;yhjjhy;> kdjstpy; vJTk; ,y;yhky; Ngha;
tplhJ. jhkhf tUgit kl;Lk; ,Uf;Fk;. mit
jhkhf te;J jhkhfg; Ngha;tpLgitahf
,Uf; F k; . efHjyhfNt ,Uf; F k; . miltjw; F
vJTk; ,y;iy vd;gijf; fz;Lgpbj;J
tpl;lhNyNa> ekJ gpur;rpidfnsy;yhk; Kbe;J
tpLfpd;wd. me;jf; fz;Lgpbg;Gjhd; cz;ikahd
Gupjy; MFk;. cz;ikahd njspT MFk;. Gwr;
nraYld; ehk; ,d;g Jd;g czHit ,izf;Fk;
NghJjhd; > Gwr; n ray; > mfr; n rayhf khwp
tpLfpwJ. ,d; g Jd; g czHT kl; L e; j hd;
mfj;NjhL njhlHGilaJ. kd mDgtq;fisj;
NjHe;njLg;gJjhd; kNdh uPjpahd ,yf;F. me;j
,yf;F kl;Lk; jtwhdJ. mjidg; Gupe;Jnfhs;s
Ntz; L k; . kNdh uP j pahf ehk; milaf; $ba
caHe;j epiy vJTk; ,y;iy vd;w epiyapy;
ehk; ,Uf;Fk; epiyjhd; rupahd epiy vd;W
Mfp tpLk; . ehk; gaj; N jhLk; > Jf; f j; N jhLk;
,Uf; f pNwhk; vd; w hy; me; j epiyjhd; rupahd
epiyahfptpLfpwJ. me;j epiyf;F ehk;
njhe;juT nfhLf;fhj gl;rj;jpy;> mJthfNt khwp
tpLfpwJ. mij khw; w paikf; f Ntz; L k; vd
epidj;J> mjw;Fj; njhe;juT nfhLf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy;
mJ NkYk; capH ngw; W tpLfpwJ. ,Uf; f pw
- 89 -
 epiyf; F me; e pakhf> ,d; D k; xU epiyia
,yf;fhf itj;Jf;nfhs;Sk; NghJjhd;>
mjDld; Nghuhb mjw;F capH nfhLf;fpNwhk;.

Nf : Gupjy; vd;why; vd;d> cs;shHe;j Gupjy; vd;why;

vd;d?
= : Gupjy; vd; W k; > Understanding vd; W k; ehk;
,jidf; Fwpg; g pLfpNwhk; . ehk; kNdh uP j pahf
nra;tjw;F vJTk; ,y;iy@ miltjw;F vJTk;
,y; i y vd; g ijg; Gupe; J nfhs; S tijj; j hd;
ehk; Gupe;Jnfhs;Sjy; vdf; $WfpNwhk;. ghypd;
Rit vg;gb ,Uf;Fk; vd gytpjkhd Fwpg;Gfs;
%yk; XusT mDkhdpj;Jg; Gupe;Jnfhs;syhk;.
,J mwpT uPjpahd Gupjy;--intellectual un
derstanding. ehNk Neubahf ghiyr; Ritj;Jf;
Fbf; F k; N ghJ> czHT uP j pahfTk; > mDgt
uPjpahfTk; mwpe;Jnfhs;SfpNwhk;. ,ij mDgt
uPjpahd Gupjy; my;yJ cs;shHe;j Gupjy;
- Pratical understanding or deeper under
standing --- vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhs;syhk;. Mdhy;
ek; K ila mZFKiwia> ,g; g b ,uz; L
tpjkhf ,e; j g; Gupjiy gpupf; f tpy; i y. mwpT
uPjpahd Gupjiy kl;LNk ehk; vLj;Jf;
nfhs; S fpNwhk; . mDgt uP j pahd --- czHT
uPjpahd Gupjy; vd;w ,uz;lhtJ Gupjiy ehk;
vLj; J f; n fhs; S tjpy; i y. xU khztd; jdJ
gs;spf; fzf;if vg;gbg; NghLtJ vd;gij ntWk;
mwpT uP j pahfj; jhd; Gupe; J nfhs; S fpwhd; .
mJNghy; ekJ gpur; r pidfspypUe; J vg; g b
tpLgLtJ vd;gijAk;> ehk; ekJ gpur;rid
- 90 -
 -fSf;F vjpuhf nra;tjw;F vJTNk ,y;iy
vd;gijAk; mwpT uPjpahf kl;LNk Gupe;J
nfhs; S fpNwhk; . mg; g bg; Gupe; J nfhz; l hNy
NghJk;. mJNt Njitahd tpisit
Vw;gLj;JfpwJ. ekJ mwpthdJ> jhd; miltjw;F
VjhtJ ,Ug;gjhff; fhl;bf;nfhz;bUf;Fk; tiu>
ehk; mijj; Njbg; Ngha;f; nfhz;Nl ,Ug;Nghk;.
ehk; miltjw;F mJ vijAk; fhl;lhj NghJ>
ehk; vq;NfAk;> vijj; NjbAk; Nghfkhl;Nlhk;.
Nahfh vd;gJ vijNah mila Kaw;rpg;gjhfTk;>
,Ug;gij jf;f itf;f Kaw;rpg;gjhfTk; cs;sJ.
Mdhy; Gupjy; vd;gJ miltplj;ij ,y;yhky;
nra; t J. miltplk; vd; W vJTNk fpilahJ
vd; g ijg; Gupe; J nfhs; t J. milAk; ,lk;
,y;yhj epiyapy; --- Torget ,y;yhj epiyapy;>
vJ vJ epfo; f pd; w Njh> mJnty; y hk; jhdhf
epfo;fpd;wJ> jhdhf Vw;gLtJ spontaneous Ac-
tion kw;witnay;yhk; ehk; Vw;gLj;jpait@ ekJ
vjpHghHg;gpdhy; cUthdit. Nahfh %yk; ekJ
mDgtq;fspy; XH ciwepiyiaj;jhd; nfhz;L
tUfpNwhk;. tpLjiyapy; jhd; ekJ mDgtq;fs;
vy;yhk; jput epiyf;F tUfpd;wd.

Nf : ,Jjhd; czHTg; gputhfkh?

= : Mkhk;. ,J jhd; czHTg; gputhfk;. czHTg;
gputhfk; vd;wJk; VNjh XH mw;Gjkhd czHT
njhlHe; J Vw; g Ltijg; N ghy; fw; g id nra; J
nfhs; s f; $ lhJ. ekf; F Vw; g Lk; czHTfs;
vy; y hk; vjpYk; Njq; f p ,Uf; f hJ> gputhfkhf
Xbr; nry;YfpwJ vd;gJjhd; nghUs;.
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Nf : ukzH kdij cs; K fg; g Lj; j r; nrhy; Y fpwhH.
cs;Kfg;gLj;Jjy; vd;gJk; ePqf ; s; $WtJjhdh?
= : ukzUk;> kNdh ehrj;ijj;jhd; $WfpwhH. Mdhy;
kdij cs; K fg; gLj; J tjhy; kdk; rkhjp
epiyf; F j; j hd; nrd; W tpLk; . ciw epiyf; F j;
jhd; Ngha; t pLk; . ,itnay; y hk; NahfhTld;
NrHe;jNj.
Nf : me;j topapy; kNdhehrk; mila Kbahjh?
= : KbahJ. mq;Nf rkhjp jhd; Vw;gLk;. ciwepiy
jhd; Vw; g Lk; . jputepiy Vw; g lhJ. mit
Mde;jkhd mDgtq;fisf; $l nfhLf;fyhk;.
Mdhy; mJ kNdhehrky;y. vy;yh gapw;rpfSf;Fk;
gyd; ,Uf; f pwJ. me; j Kaw; r pfspy; ehk;
<Lgl;bUf;fhj gl;rj;jpy;> ehk; cyfj;J
,d; g q; f spy; %o; f p> Nkhrkhd epiyiaf; $ l
mile; J tpLNthk; . ek; i k rkepiyg; gLj; j p
ek; i k cs; K fkhfj; jpUg; G tjw; F ,e; j g;
gapw;rpfs; vy;yhk; cjtp ,Uf;fpd;wd. ,jdhy;
gytpjkhd fiyfs; tsHe;Js;sd.
vy; y htpjkhd fiyfSk; ekJ tho; f ; i fia
newpg;gLj;jp ekf;F xU rkepiyia
Vw;gLj;JfpwJ. ,g;gb vy;yhtpjkhd
fiyfisAk;> Nahf Nghd;wtw;iwAk; gad;gLj;jp>
mjw;Fk; mg;ghy; ehk; tUfpNwhk;. njspTf;Fg;
gpwF> cq; f Sf; F j; Njitahd czHTfSk; >
Kaw;rpfSk; ePqf ; s; mjw;fhf vJTk; nra;ahky
mitahfNt te;JtpLfpd;wd.
Nf : ehk; jputepiyapy; ,Ue;jhy;> ehk; ve;j
#o;epiyahdhYk; mjw;Fj; Njitahdgb

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 tise;J nfhLj;Jf;nfhs;syhk;. ve;j
ghj;jupukhdhYk; ghj;jpuj;Jf;F Vw;wg;gb khwpf;
nfhs;syhk;.
= : Mkhk;.
Nf : ek;Kila fHkhf;fspypUe;J ek;ik xU FUehjH
kPlL
; vLf;fhtpl;lhy; ehk; fHkhtpypUe;J tpLgl;L
,e; j j; jputepiy mDgtj; J f; F tu KbahJ
vd; W $wg; g LfpwNj. NkYk; fHkh ek; i k
ve;j msT fl;bg;Nghl;Ls;sJ vd;gJ
vy;NyhUf;FNk njupfpwJ. fHkhit vg;gbj;jhd
ntw;wpnfhs;StJ?
= : fHkh vd;gJ jhd; ekJ ,ay;G. cq;fSila
substanceM y ; M d J j h d ; c q ; f S i l a
,ay;G. cq;fSila mDgtq;fs>; cq;fSila
rk; ] ; f huq; f s; Mfpatw; w hy; cUthdJ jhd;
cq;fSila ,ay;G. me;j ,ay;Gf;Fj; jFe;j
mDgtk; jhd; ekf; F ntspg; g l; L f; nfhz; N l
,Uf; F k; . mij mlf; f epidf; F e; NjhWk;
ekf; F g; Nghuhl; l k; jhd; Vw; g Lk; . Nahfhit
ehk; cjtpf; F f; $g; g pLfpNwhk; mjdhy; ekJ
,ay;ig rpwpJ fhyj;Jf;F ekJ fl;Lg;
ghl;Lf;Fs; vLj;Jf;nfhs;SfpNwhk;. fl;Lg;ghl;il
kP w paJk; kP z ; L k; Nghuhl; l k; Vw; g l; L tpLk; .
ek;Kila czHTfs; jhd; czHr;rpahf
khWfpwJ. mbepiyapy; xNutpjkhd czHTjhd;
cs;sJ. ntspg;gLk; czHr;rpfspy; jhk;
tpj;jpahrk; cs;sJ. xNu czHTjhd;> eturk;
vd; W $WtJNghy; xd; g Jtpjkhd czHr; r p
-fshf khWfpd;wd. gak;> Jf;fk;> Mir> Nfhgk;>
fhkk;> kfpo;rr ; p ,g;gb czHr;rpfshf khWfpd;wd.
- 93 -
kpd;rhuj;jpy; Nthy;lN ; l[pd; msitf; Fiwj;jhy;>
tpsf;F xsp bk;khfp tpLk;. bA+g;iyl; Nghd;wit
vupahJ. mg;gb rkhjp Nghd;w mDgtq;fspdhy;>
ekJ czHthdJ> czHr;rpahf khWk; Ntfk;
FiwfpwJ. ekJ kdk; mjDila %yj; j py;
xLq;fp yakhFk;NghJ> czHr;rpfSf;Ff; fpilf;f
Ntz;ba rf;jp fpilf;fhky; Ngha;tpLk;. rkhjp
epiyia ehk; ntw;wpfukhfr; nra;J Kbj;Njh
-khdhy; > czHr; r pfis fl; L g; g Lj; j pf;
ifahsf; $ba tha;gG ; k; cs;sJ. Mdhy; ,J
ahUf;Nfh> vtUf;Nfh rhkj;jpakhfyhk;.
rkhjp epiyapd; %ykhf> czHr;rpfisnay;yhk;
nty;yf; $ba epiy> Nfhbapy; xUtUf;Fj;jhd;
rhj; j pak; . mjw; F jFe; j tifapy; cq; f sJ
clYk; > eltbf; i ffSk; > tho; T KiwAk; >
mike;jpUf;f Ntz;Lk;. vq;fhtJ jtwp
tpOe;Njhkhdhy;> caukhd fl;blj;jpypUe;J fPNo
tpOtijg; Nghd;wJjhd;. ekf;Fs; gy tpjkhd
Nrjq;fs; Vw;gl;LtpLk; ek;Kila
mZFKiwapy;> ekf;F Vw;gLk;
czHTfs; ahTk; XH ,irf;fUtpapy; ntsptUk
,iriag; N ghy; > jhkhf te; J tpl; L j; jhkhf
Xb kiwe;J tpLfpd;wd. ehk; Nghuhl epidj;jhy
mJ N k Y k ; gyk; ngw;W tpLfpd;wd.
ek;Kila gjpTfSk;> rk;];fhuq;fSk;
jhkhfNt Rj;jkile;J nfhs;Sfpd;wd.
tpopg; G zHT vd; W eP q ; f s; $WtJ$l jhkhf
Vw; g Lk; . tpopg; G zHit ehk; gapw; r p nra; N jhk;
Mdhy; > mJTk; xU Nghuhl; l khfp tpLk; .
tpopg;GzHT vd;gJ ekJ ,aw;ifahd epiyNa
ehk; miltjw;F vd;W xU ,yf;fpid
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 itj;J nfhs;Se;NjhWk;> ek;Kila
,aw; i fahd epiy nray; g Ltjpy; > gpur; r pid
Vw;gl;LtpLfpwJ. ek;Kila mwptpdhYk;>
Kaw;rpapdhYk; vy;yhtw;iwAk; rhjpf;f KbAk;
vd;W epidj;jhy; mJ jtW. mtw;why;
XusTjhd; rhjpf; f KbAk; . kNdh epiyapy;
mJ Nghuhl;lkhfNt ,Ue;J tpLfpwJ.
miltjw; F xd; W kpy; i y vd; W fz; L gpbj; j
epiyapy; cq;fs; kdJ jput epiyf;F te;J
tpLfpwJ. me;jj; jput epiyapy; midj;JNk
rPuhfptpLfpd;wJ.
Nf : mg;NghJ fHkhf;fs; vy;yhk; fiue;J tpLfpd;wd?
= : Mk;. fHkhf;fs; vy;yhk; fiue;J tpLfpd;wd.

jpUg; G +H
Nf : jtk; nra;ahj epiyapy;> mwnewpNahL tho;ej
; hy;
ey;y epiy fpilf;Fkh?
= : ehk; XH ,lj;jpy; cl;fhHe;J nra;tJ kl;Le;jhd
jtk; vd;W vLj;Jf;nfhs;sf;$lhJ. jk;Kila
nraiyNa jtkhfj;jhd; nra;aNtz;Lk;. ekJ
kdij xUepiyg; gLj; j p jtk; nra; f pNwhk; .
gpwF mNj fiyia ehk; ekJ md;whl
nray; f Sf; F k; gad; g Lj; J fpNwhk; . jtj; j pd;
Nehf;fNk ekJ tho;fi ; fiar; rupahd Kiwapy;
thoNtz; L k; vd; g Jjhd; . ,iw czHTfs;
vy; y htw; W f; F k; mbg; g ilahf cs; s J. ,iw
czHit Mjhukhff; nfhz;Ljhd; midj;Jk;
Vw;gLfpd;wJ. ,iw czHTf;F ehk;
Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLf;Fk; gl;rj;jpy;> mg;gb ,iw
- 95 -
czHTf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLg;gJ ahH vd;w
Nfs;tp Vw;gLfpwJ. ehk; NtW> ,iwtd; NtW
vd; w Nfs; t p te; J tpLfpwJ. vy; y hNk ,iw
czHthf ,Uf;Fk; NghJ> ehk; ,iw
czHTf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLf;Fk; NghJ> mJ
,iw czHit ek; k py; ,Ue; J NtWgl; l jhf
mjid mg; G wg; g Lj; j p tpLfpwJ. vy; y hNk
,iwtDila mk;rkhf cs;sJ. ,iwtDf;Fg
Gwkhf vJNk fpilahJ. ,iwtDf;F
Kf;fpaj;Jtk; nfhLf;fNtz;Lk; vd;W
epidj;jhy;> ,iwtidNa ekf;F md;dpakhf;fp
tpLfpNwhk; . ekf; F rupahd Kf; f paj; J tk;
nfhLj;jhNy> ,iwtDf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk
nfhLg;gJNghy;jhd;> ,iwtDf;F Kf;fpaj;Jtk
nfhLg; g J vd; g J ,iwtid mtkupahij
nra;tijg; Nghd;wJjhd;. vy;yhNk ,iwtd;>
vd; g ijr; rpyH fUj; j hfTk; > ek; i k ,af; F k;
nray; fUj;jhfTk; nfhs;Sfpd;wdH. xU tpjkhd
ek; g pf; i fia cUthf; f pf; nfhs; S fpd; w dH.
,iwtNd midj;ijAk; nra;fpd;whd;.
vdf; n fd; W ve; j mjpfhuKk; ,y; i y. ,g; g b
xU fUj; i jj; jq; f Sf; F s; rq; f y; g pj; J f;
nfhs; S fpwhHfs; . ,J ruzhfjp epiyia
Vw;gLj;jpdhy; ey;yJjhd;. mg;gb ruzhfjp epiy
Vw;gl;lhYk;> ekf;nfd;W ve;j nraYk; ,y;yhj
epiyf;Fg; Ngha;tpLfpNwhk;. me;epiyapy; ekJ
tho;f;if vspikahd tho;f;ifahfptpLfpd;wJ.
mg;gb ruzhfjp milahky;> ,iwtid vtNuh
xUtuhf itj;J mtUf;F Ntz;ba kupahij
nra;Ak; gl;rj;jpy;> mJ ,iwtid
mq; f P f upj; j jhfhJ. mg; g b kupahij nra; J >
- 96 -
 mjw;Fg; gpujpahf VjhtJ mD$yj;ij ahrpg;gJ
vd;gJ xUtpj tpahghukhd tho;f;ifahfptpLk;.
xUtpj Nghuhl; l khfptpLk; . ekf; n fd; W ve; j
vjpHghHg;Gk; ,y;yhj epiyapy;> ekJ tho;Tk;>
jtKk; ,ize; J tpLfpd; w J. tho; f ; i fNa
jtkhfp tpLtjhy; > jdpahf cl; f hHe; J jtk;
nra;aj; Njitapy;iy vd;whfp tpLfpd;wJ.
Nf : rpyH Nfhgj;ij mjpfkhf ntspg;gLj;jp
tpLfpwhHfs;. ,J ghuk;gupakhf te;j ,ay;gh?
= : ve; j czHTfshapDk; rup mtw; i w ehk;
ntspg; g Lj; j Ntz; L k; vd; W ntspg; g Lj; J tJ
,y;iy. mitahf te;JtpLfpd;wd. ve;j
czHit Ntz;LkhdhYk; ftdpj;Jg; ghUq;fs;.
mJ tUk;NghJ> ek;ik mwpahky; te;J
tpLfpd; w d. me; j czHT te; j gpwFjhd; >
xt;nthU #o;epiyapd; NghJk;> me;j
#o;epiyf;Fj; jFe;jthW> ek;Kila ,ay;Gjhd;
React gz; Z k; . ek; K ila ,ay; G jhd; vjpH
tpisit Vw;gLj;Jk;. me;j vjpH tpisTjhd;>
me; j Reaction jhd; > ek; K ila mDgtk; @
ek;Kila czHT. jhdhf te;j me;j
upahf;rid> ehk; ifapy; vLj;Jf;nfhs;SfpNwhk;.
xU Nfhgk; tUk;NghJ> mJ ek;ik
mwpahky; te; J tpLfpd; w J. te; j gpwF> me; j
Nfhgk; epahakhdJ vd;W $wp> me;jf; Nfhgj;ij
ehk; ifapy; vLj; J f; n fhs; S fpNwhk; . Kjypy;
Nfhgk; tUk;NghJ> epaha mepahaq;fnsy;yhk;
ekf; F j; njupahJ. vg; g b te; j J vd; W $l
ekf; F j; njupahJ. me; j f; Nfhgj; i j epahak;
vd; W fUjp ifapy; vLf; F k; NghJjhd; . mJ
ekJ NfhgkhfpwJ. mjd; gpwFjhd;> ehk; mjid
- 97 -
 mLj;jtHfs; kPJ fhl;LfpNwhk;. ek;ik mwpahky
te; j Nfhgk; kw; w tHfSf; N f njupahJ. mJ
ekf;F kl;Lk;jhd; njupAk;. mij
mLj; j tHfsplKk; fhl; l khl; N lhk; . ekf; F f;
Nfhgk; te;Jtpl;lJ vd;W njupe;j khj;jpuj;jpy;>
mJ ,y;yhkNyNa Ngha;tpLfpwJ. mij mlf;f
Ntz; L k; vd; w mtrpak; vJTNk fpilahJ.
fz; L gpbj; j khj; j puj; j pNyNa mJ ,y; y hky;
Ngha;tpLfpwJ. mJ epahak;jhd; vd epidj;j
tpdhbapy; mjid ehkhf tpUk; g p ifapy;
vLj;Jf;nfhs;tjhy; mJ kPz;Lk; capH ngw;W
tpLfpwJ. mjd; gpwFjhd; mLj; j tHfs; kP J
gpu Nahfk; n r a ; f p N whk; . mL j ; j t H f s; k PJ
Nfhgj;ijf; fhl;Ltij Reaction vd;W
KbahJ. ekf;F Vw;gLk; czHTf;Fg; ngaHjhd;
Reaction. mjid mLj;jtH fhl;Lk;NghJ mjd;
ngaH Counter Action. mJ vjpH tpisT my;y.
mJ vjpHr;nray;. Kjypy; tUtJ
ek;ikawpahky; Vw;gl;lJ. ehk; mwpe;J nray;gLk;
NghJ> mJ vjpHr; nray; my; y J Counter
Action Mf cs;sJ.

Nf : ekJ nraiy mwpe;J nray;gLk; NghJ> mjidf;

fl;Lg;gLj;j Ntz;Lkh?
= : Mkhk; . ehk; mwpe; J nray; g Lk; NghJ> me; j
nray;fSf;F ehk; nghWg;ghfptpLfpNwhk;. MfNt
mijr; rupahd Kiwapy; rpe; j pj; J rupahd
nray; f isr; nra; a Ntz; L k; . ekJ nray; f s; >
jHk epahaq;fSf;F cl;gl;ljhf mika
Ntz; L k; . ekf; F Vw; g l; l Nfhgj; i j> ehk;
- 98 -
 epahag;gLj;jp mLj;jtHfs; kPJ nrYj;Jk; NghJ>
mtUk; gjpYf;Ff; Nfhgg;glyhk;. me;j
#o;epiyapy; ekJ Nfhgk; NkYk; tYtile;J>
me; j Nfhgk; ek; i kAk; kP w ptpLk; msTf; F g;
Nghtjw;Fk; t h a ; g ; G s ; s J . N f h g k ; e k ; i k
KOikahf Ml;nfhs;Sk;NghJ ehk; xU
Temorary Madness-f; F --- jw;fhypf
igj;jpakhd epiyapDs; gpuNtrpj;J tpLfpNwhk;.
me; e piyapy; ekf; F ek; K ila Ra Gj; j pAk; >
mwpTk; nraypoe;JtpLfpwJ. mjd; gpwF ekJ
czHitf; fl; L g; g Lj; J tJ kpfTk; rpukkhfp
tpLfpwJ. czHit ehk; ekJ iffspy; vLj;Jf;
nfhz;ljhy;jhd;> gpwF mJ ek;ikAk; kPwp ek;ik
Ml; n fhs; S k; tha; g ; i g mjw; F nfhLj; J
tpLfpNwhk; . ehk; Kjypy; mjw; F mq; f P f huk;
nfhLj;jjhy; jhd; mjw;Fr; nraNy Vw;gLfpwJ.

Nf : ,isQHfSf;F ePqf
; s; vd;d $WfpwPHfs;.
= : ,isQHfs; nghWg;Gfisr; Rkf;fhj epiyapy;
,Uf; f pwhHfs; . mjdhy; mtHfsplk; rf; j papd;
tpiuak; ,y;yhky; ,Uf;fpwJ. nghWg;Gf;fis
Vw; F k; NghJjhd; Nghuhl; l q; f isr; re; j pf; f
Ntz; b aJ Vw; g LfpwJ. ,isQHfs; rf; j pAld;
,Uf;fpd;w fhyj;jpy; mjidr; rupahd Kiwapy;
gad; g Lj; j pf; nfhs; s Ntz; L k; . tho; f ; i fia
newpKiwg; gLj;jhky; ,Ue;jhYk;> rf;jp
rpjWtjw;F tha;g;Gs;sJ. xU fhy;tha; rupahd
Kiwapy; guhkupf; f g; g l; b Ue; j hy; > mjpy; tUk;
jz;zPH> rupahd ,lj;Jf;F> Nrjk; VJk; ,y;yhky;
NrHe;J tpLk;. rupahd tha;f;fhy;fs; ,y;yhky;
- 99 -
 ePiuj; jpwe;J tpLk;NghJ> Nru Ntz;ba
,lj;Jf;F jz;zPH Nruhky; gy ,lq;fSf;Fk;
jz;zPH rpjwp Nrjk; mile;JtpLk;. ,isQHfs;
rupahd xOq;F Kiwiaj; jq;fsJ tho;fi ; fapy;
gpd;gw;w Ntz;Lk;. mJNt mtHfSf;F vy;yh
rpwg;GfisAk; nfhz;L te;J NrHf;Fk;.
Nf : cq; f sJ E}iyg; gbj; J mjidg; Gupe; J
nfhz; l jhy; kdJ kpfTk; ,Nyrhfptpl; l J
Nghd;w XH czHT Vw;gLfpwJ. Mdhy; kdJ
kPzL
; k; gioagb ,d;g Jd;g mDgtq;fSf;Fs;
Ngha; tpLfpwNj? ,jid vg;gb vjpH nfhs;tJ?
= : Ke; i ja fhyf; fl; l q; f spy; Qhd epiyia
milgtHfs; > jq; f sJ tho; f ; i f Kiwia
mjw; f hdnjhU mikg; g py; itj; j pUe; j hHfs; .
FLk;gg; nghWg;Gf;fis mtHfs; vLg;gjpy;iy.
rKjhaj; j pypUe; J tpLgl; L > JwT epiyapy;
thOk; tho;f;if Kiwia vLj;Jf;nfhs;SfpwhH
-fs;. mtHfSf;F cyfpay; uPjpahd flikfNsh
gpur;rpidfNsh fpilahJ. mtHfSila
mZFKiw> Md;kpfj;NjhL kl;LNk
njhlHGilajhf ,Ue; j J. cyfpay; uP j pahd
nghWg; G fs; ,y; y hjjhy; Md; k pfj; J f; F Vw; w
#o;epiy mtHfSf;F vspjhff; fpilj;jJ. ehk;
mj;jifa #o;epiyia xUNghJk;
gupe; J iug; g Jk; ,y; i y. Qhdk; vd; g J ekJ
md;whl tho;Tld; njhlHGilaJ. rKjhaj;ij
tpl; L g; gpupe; J epw; F k; Jwtpf; F j; j hd; ,J
nghUe; J k; vd; W ehk; vtUf; F k; mwpTiu
$Wtjpy;iy. rKjhaf; flikfspy; ehk; <LgLk;
NghJ> me;j #o;epiyapd; jd;ikf;Nfw;gTk;> ekJ
,ay; G f; N fw; g Tk; VjhtJ XH czHT ek;
- 100 -
 midtUf;Fk; Vw;glNt nra;Ak;. me;jr;
#o; e piyia vjpHnfhs; s ekf; F g; gytpjkhd
czHTfs; Vw;gLtJ ,aw;ifNa. mg;gbr; rpy
czHTfs; ekf; F Vw; g Lk; N ghJ> ek; K ila
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YYRt u]p Yjd LikRm. "Nj'
Fu\ RXlp DeLPm Lj LhTU]p Fu]
oLs ?
c : Su Fu] lhP RuUPV STWLm TVo,
YYm DPVYWLm FpXlTjd Ls\u
F] YjdLsYm. @RlTu Su
DeL[m, Jo lhP RuU, TVo, YYm,
DPVYWL Fid LsYRL
YjdLsYm. BlT Su Fu]m
DeL[m, DXLju IqY @mNjRm Jo
FpXdhTj\m. A]p Sm, eLm,
DXLm Sm GtTjV FpXdhThdL V.
Sm SU kR]u YVL IqYu\m k
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 LsmT, @]jm kR]u @mNUL
UhU Ds[]. @Yt\d LPkdm @mNeLs
dVjYjR BZku\]. FpXdhTjm
BkR @mNU DiUV] Utm @lTPV] Nj
Fu L\u.
L : Sm SU kR]]m @]m IqYu\m
FpXlTj, YLlTj kLs\m. @lT
Sm NVpTPhPp Sm YZ VUp TnU.
c : kR]m, @m BpXUp YZ Yim Fu Su
\pX @Ytu YWV\V Sm
kLs[Yim. @Ytu YWV\V
kLsYRuXm @Ytu -k
Th\m. NvWeLp, UV-k
TY Fu\p Fu] FuTRt Jo DRWQm
LdLlThs[. @RY Sm Tm Yp SUd
FWL oX BlTTp Ru\. Rio
@kR Sm @R Sd Sm TmT @ oX
@pX, Ym L]p o FuT X]\. BR]p
@ oX @pX Fu\ R Pd\. @jRLV
R SUd PjR]p L]p u Lh U\k
YpX. Sm TVQm Nnm TRpXm SUd
FW L]p u Lh RVjRu Nnm. A]p
@ WpX, Ym L]p oRu Fu\ R Uhm
SUd Bdm. BR]p L]p W Wu Fjd
Lsm UVdLm Uhm BdL. UVdLm eVRp
L]p W BpXUp TnP. @ WpX Fu\
RPu L]p o Bk LiRu Bdm.
@Tp FpXdhTjd Lhm, @RY
IqYuu RuUV Fjd Lhm SU
kR]u BVdLm Bk LiRu Bdm. B
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 UhU Rp DiU Fu\ UVdLm Uhm
BdL. SU kR] BVdLju YWV\Vl
k LiP Xp kR]u BVdLm
BdLjRu Nnm. A]p @R]p GtTm UVdLm
Uhm BdL.
L : L]p o DRWQm F]d [e\. A]p @R]
kR] BVdfjR Tj LhY F]d
[eLpX.
c : eLs NnTT YRL @dL Iu\d oLs,
@RY Su LPs FuT T DiU. m LPs
FuTRu DiU. BlT TT YRLd
oLs. BRu Ts Fu]? eLs Y HV
FuT DeLPV FiQj]p @UdLlThP
FpX. @kR FpXV eLs DVLl
dmRm eLs FpX LPkR TWmTs Fu\
AR DiU U\T[m. eLs DeLPV
FpXV, BVpT, Y HV Fu\
RSTojRuUVl Ttl dLR ThNjp eLs Vo?
eLs Jo FpX LQVR @mNm BpXV?
ALY Sm LPs FuT SmU SU LPs Fu
FidLsY @pX. FkR FpXLdsm SmU
FpXlTjd Ls[Up RkWUL BlTR # FpX
LPk BlTR, @kXp kR]u BVdLjd
DeL[m eLs LhlTjR UhoLs DXLjRm
LhlTjRUhoLs LhlThP GtTjRR Xp
NVpTm kR]u BVdLjRjRu UVdLm eV
kR]u BVdLm Fu l\u. UV
FuTRu @LWlTV] @ojRm ""@[k @Rp''
FuTR.
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L : LtTU] DQoLs SUd GtTmT Sm FlT
NVpTPYim FuT Tt Sm Td
LikRm. @ F]d NYW [eLpX.
@R Nt TWUL Fjd eLs.
c : SUd GtTm LTm, LUm, TVm, VWm Tu\
DQoL[ Sm TYL LtTU] DQoLs Fu
\m.
I lhP Z-p SUd LTm GtT\ F]
YjdLsYm. Sm mTUp SmUVVUp
I l[x XhTp GtT\. BRu LTju
Rp T. B SmUVVUp unconscious AL
GtTY. B u]Xl Tu I LQSWm UhU
Ds[. BkR RtLQkRu BRu RtT. @jPu
BkR RtT k BWiPY T NVd
Y\. BkR BWiPY Tp Sm
LTlThs[m FuTRl k Lsu\m.
B conscious T. Rp T unconscious T.
B W i P m T conscious T. Rp T
u]XlTu Ru U\k\. @ SU
RY\] NVd X LWQUL @UkkRm, @
SUd NVX GtTjYpX.
BWiPY TpRu NVp GtT\. BWiPY
Tp Sm SUd LTm GtThs[ FuTRl
kLs\m. @lT SmUVVUp GtThP
LTju RdLm 50 NRRm, @R] oYdL
mm @mNm 50 NRRULm Ds[. BkR
BWiPY TRu SU NWN U]X. Be SU
@U]u BVplT GtThP DQo Tm, @R
oYdm @ TUL Ds[. BkR Xp Sm
LTjR @Uj LTjR YdLh
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 NiPPXm @pX LTm NVpX Fu LTjR
@Uj LTjR @Pdd Ls[Xm. BkR BWi
@mNeLm BkR BWiPY Tp Ds[. BRu
I NWN URPV U] BVdLm. BkR BWiPY
TpRu IYu LTlTh NiP\u
@pX R] LTjR @PdLl TW\u. @Yu
]jRp LTjR UtLi NiPPm
NnVXm @pX @Pdd Ls[m NnVXm.
SmUVVUp YkR LTm RXY TXV
k hPRp SmUVVUp Sm FkR RYm
NnPV. @Yu mV Xp RYm
NnVXm. mV Xp RYL-k
TPm NnVXm.
u\Y TRu O]lT. Be Sm FR]m
UtVUdL mT, @]jRm BRVoYUL
Gtd Ls\m @pX FoLs\m.
RXY BWiPY TLs RUL BVe, RUL
d YYR BkR u\Y T @Ud\.
Wfr]u SP\ DiUVl k
LsYRu Xm BkR u\Y T NVpT\.
L : U]m NX]Ut BkRp UhNm; U]m N-jRp
NmNWm Fu \lT\R. U]m @NYt\ Xp
BlT Tt Fu] LoLs?
c : TYL NvWeLp @qYRu \lT\.
U]m @NYt\ X FuT NU X. NU Xp
Sm Ym BlQoYL Bd\m. Su Bd\u
Fu\ FiQeP BdL. U]m NVpTP
AWmdmTRu Su Bd\u Fu\ FiQm
GtTP AWmdm. jR Bl XVL BlTRu

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NUX.
@\p Jm u Vl TojloLs, @
\p Red Lid\. @ JPUp u
LilTRL Yjd LsYm. \-k
V Red Lidm Ri Tu\ TV
Sm u BWi B\LdPV TodL m.
Sm Nt SLok LiPp X \Ls @kRj
RilTV TodL VUp U\jd Lidm.
uu B\L[d LL[p UpX
@NjYUu @ UuUVLf Zm.
@lT @kRj Ril T XY[Lp
B\L[p U\dLlTm. X Y[Lp
U\dLlTPUp YlTPVLj Rm. Rid SWL
B\ YmTRpXm, Ri UVL
U\dLlThm.
BWi kR]Ld BPV Ds[ BPYV
LYlT FuT BRu. BWi kR]Ld
BPV uVUs[ YhP YV RPok
LYlTRu Xm NU X NjVU\.
BWi B\Ld BPVs[ BPY XUL
Ril TVl TolT Tu\R B.
BlT u V @RtL] hN @ JP
Yd\m F] Yjd LsYm. BlT
B\Ls BPYV BpXUp Zu\]. A]p
@lT Zu\m P @kR uVj Re tm
Ril TV XTUL SmUp TodL m.
B\Ls YLULf ZYRu LWQUL @Yt\
E, RilTV SmUp FRLl TodL m.
B\Ls YLULf Zu LidmYW
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 RilT SU ToY-k U\YR BpX.
BR]l Tu SU U]m, Fm RedLUp
BVdL Xp SLok LiP BkRp U]d
ARWU] Tu RPom BPPUp
GtThm.
L : SU NvWeLp U] BVdLju Yp Unl
Ts RN]jddL] Y FR]m \pXV.
eLs Y RULd oLs ?
c : NvWjp \lThP XV SdjRu F]
[dLm @Uks[. A]p @\
Us[.
L : NvWjp BWi T\YLs DRWQm \lThs[.
I UWjp BWi T\YLs Ds[]. I T\Y
@UVL Ds[. @jR T\Y BV TZeL[
Yj UrYP\. \ LNlT] TZeL[f
Nlh YjRUP\. LPp @ @UVL
@Uokdm T\YVl Tod\. @kRl T\Ym
@UVL BkRl T\YVl Toj, m SuRu;
Y Su Y @pX Fu BkRl T\YVj
Ru] BQjdLs\. N-lTPk
Lidm U]Ru, TZeL[ NlhP BkRl
T\Y. N-dm U]R] N-dLR Unl T[
Iu\ Yim FuTRjRu SU NvWeLs
u\].
c : eLs Y DiURu. SU NvWeLs
TmTm NU Xd YLhu\]. U]s[
kR]Ls @]jm Ie SU @Ljs[ YhP
Yp RelTRu NU. A]p BkR NUp
Sm FlTm tlT NjVUpX. NU-k
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 Th SU @u\V TLp CTP SU U]u
NVpThd Sm YkRL Yim. SU U] NV-
p BkRmP NU Xu Nkp Sm
NVpTYR NL_ NU Fu lu\]. Su
lY @]j NL_ NU TtVYV Am.
NL_ NU Tt NjWeLp TmTm
\lTYpX. @lT GRY \lThkRp @Y
fNVm F] [dLjPu IjRYVLY
@Ukdm.
L : NL_ NU Fu\ TVWd lhPRp DeLs [dLm
F]d NVLlT\. SU U] BVeYRt Sm
BPeLjRp U]l TLs Fum NmvLWm
GtThPR ?
c : SU U] FlT BVeL\ FuT SUdj Rm.
@ FRVY Yim Fu Ttl dm, @pX
Y i P U u T t l d m I u positive
possession @ j R negative possession
BWiU Ttl jRpRu. Ttl jRp FuT
IYL XVU. XVju XU SU @TYm
GtT\. BuTjp Sm XVU tTRu Xm BuTm
@TYU\. uTjp XVU tTRu Xm uTm
@TYU\. BuTjRl Ttl dmT B
RPok dL Yim, BkR TLl DQo
WkRWUL BdL Yim Fu\ FoTolPu
@R]l Ttl d\m. uTm SokmT
B SmU hl TnPYim Fu\ FoTolPu
Ttl d\m. l Utm Yl YX]
SU FoToldL[ factor AL Bk NVpT\.
FoTol Fum YiRp # YiPUp dd
Ls[Up BlTUu Sm FR]m Ttl
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 lTpX. @lT SU U] free flow AL
BVe\. WYLUL BVe\. @ free flow
AL BVemT U]lT GtTYpX. FXY
positive A L @ p X negative A L R e
BdmTRu T GtT\.
@lp YX Nnm WUjl TiL[l
TojdoL[? @YoLs Slj iL[
ReLn WhPp FlToLs. YeLVp Slj
iP YLU] Fj WhPp ThYoLs.
Slj iP LL[p FjRmP @ LVd
LVlTjR. @Tu\ SU U]Rp Sm NVXf
NnRm, free flowp Bdm U], TL[
GtTjR.
TYL @xP]eLs @]jm U]XVjR
UVULd LiP @UdLlThs[]. U]XVm
Lm @YVU] IuRu G]u\p dLjm,
VWjm XVUl V U]R @Y BpXR BPjp
XVm TiQYjRu U]R SlTjR m. @
@YVU] IuRu. A]p U]XVjR SU
TVQm YPkPpX.
Su Y U]SNm. U]m Fm Re BdLUp
At\l Tp WYjd LilT, U] SNm
Fu\p U]U BpXUp TnYRpX. @R] @Ru
D\X-k h @R] FR] WYUd JP
YlTRu U] SNm.
L : U] SNjR Gu NvWeLs Tj
RTjYpX.
c : SU U]R] FRVY @PYRtm, FRVY
hYRtU Vt Nn Lidm.
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 @jRLV U]d FRm NnV YiVpX
Fu ]p @kR U] @kR LjR
GtdLs[. ALVp U]u YXV @Rt
YiV LjRd jRu @R] SlTjVL
Yim. U]XVjp RokR Xp U] XVju
\Yt\ RuU U]dL Rkm.
@kXpRu @ U]XVj-k X YV
Ym RVl T\ @m kR SdL
XXV GtT\.
G]p Fm RYpX. Su FR]m
@PkPj RYpX. F]dLu Fm
YiPm Fu\ d FYWm XTjp YkP
V. G]p @jRLV d YY FuT
UWQjRf NklTRl Tu\R. @PYRt
FpX Fu\ XV], SU U]Rl TjR
@[p UWQU. SNU.
Sm, Yim # YiPm Fu FRVY Ttl
dLR Xp SU BVeLeLs @]jm RUL
BVem Xd Yku\]. RUL BVem
BVdLm Fm Fm Xj BdL. @ WYj
Jm At\lTp BVed LiP Bdm. SLok
LiP Bdm.
""@PYRt FpX'' Fu\ XV Sm m
@PV V. @ FpX lTeL[m
\dLjR XVm. \ FuTR BeRu
DRVU\.
29#5#2009
Nf : Su Su\Ll k LiPu. Wfr ]Ls
okRTp R\. A]p im Wf]
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 Yk\. FlTjRu o LiT FuT
VpX.
= : Wfr]Ls FpXm SU BVpd Gt\Y GtT\
F] FjdLs[Yim.
Nf : @lTjRu FjdLs\u. @lTm o
PdLpX. JNYl dm u \V
Wf]Ls BkR]. @Yo SU Wfr]L[
@UVL LYdmT \o. @lT LYdmT
Wfr]Lu TXm \k\. FjR]V
Wfr]L-k ihPu A]m UVL
TP VpX.
= : Sm FlTm YtV UhU m\m.
RpV GtdLs[j RVWL BpX. RpV
U]loYUL GtdLsm U]XRu dVU].
S m P V BVXUV GtdLsYRu
dVU]. SU BVpdLt\ @TYkRu GtT\.
@lTjRu GtTP m. BR Sm k Ls[
Yim. Sm mVT SPdL Yim Fu\
FiQm SU BVpd FWLl TWYRu.
Nf : RpV U]loYUL GtdLiPp Wfr]Ls
okU ?
= : Wfr]Ls okPYim Fu\ FiQm YtV
SdV VtV. Wf] okRm N,
WhPm N, Fu]p BRt o LQV
Fu Sm SU BVXUV IjdLsmTRu
Sm SU RpV U]loYUL IjdLiPRm.
Nf : SU BVXUm, SU RpVm Ild
LiPmP SU Wf] WpXV ?

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= : SU Wfr] WYim Fu\ FoTol
BdmYW, Sm SmUVVUp FeLV I
Xp YtV S\m. RpVl
\dLj\m.

nf : f TW fUJ flikf vit

yhj, bghWf vit yhj
JwfSF kLjh bghUJkh?
$ : eh TWtJ ljl Jw mrij
tWJtjhfjh csJ. Mdh J
kndh ahd rahr. kd
czfUJ LgLtij kL
tWJwJ. w brafUJ Lgl
brhYtiy.
kndh ahf eh caj iy
Ung; kndh ahf caj mDgtfnshL
Ung; vW TWtJ jh vyh uridfSF
fhuzkhf mikJsJ.
wjs ey Niyia mikf
ntoaJ ekJ flik. ey brafis brl
ntLtJ ekJ flik. kdjsY ey
iyia mikl nghuhodh mJ Kotw
nghuhlkhL.
mfjsjh, Jwit nkbfhs ntL. w
brafUJ y XLtJ rahd mQF
Kiway.
nf : uridfis mgona L lh jhdhf
rah L vW TWf; vjidnah
nghf VgLwd. yif mJ
bfhoUwJ; <uh, <uh j elJ
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 bfhoUwJ. it mfJ bfhLjhnd
csd ?
$ : it midJ w ff. tiw ehkhf
KaWjh uikfntL. it jhkhf
uikahJ. wbrafis bghWj ms
eyJ bflJ cL. rahdJ jtwhdJ
vyhK cL. eytiw,
rahdtiw bra ntoaJ mta.
mit jhkhf eilbgwhJ. ehkhf KaWjh
r bra ntL. jk ahaij gjh
Mf ntL. mfij bghWj msjh jk
ahafis tWj TlhJ.
nf : thif ekF elF braf ah,
Vbfdnt tFfglitah? tiw bty,
nahf ahd Mait if bfhLFkh ?
$ : $rh ghghl xU nf nfljhf eh
nf goUnw. mjhtJ, rh ghghl
xUt nf nfwh. f yUila
nehia FzkhFf; yUila nehia
FzkhFtiy, V go ghugr
ghf ?
mjF ghgh g brhYwh. FzkhF KG
bghW vid rhjJ my. xUtUF
mtUila fkhit K dhf khaikF
xU ntiyia kL jh vdh bra Ko.
dh tU fkhit KdhY, Kdh
Vgl fkhit DF kh itgij
kLjh vdh bra Ko. mijjh eh
brnw.

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 go khWtJ vyh jfhfkhd xU
lkhwnk. Mdh f Ljiyia milJ
Ofns Mdh, cfSila midJ
fkhfUJ xL bkhjkhf Ljiy
milJ Lf.
eh kdjs g Jg EfF
cgLtjhjh, vyh uridfS
uridfshf bjwd. j Ljiy
cz, cfis gij, Jgij
aghf vjhf VWbfhSgo
brJLwJ.
g Jgij rkkhf ghJ VW
bfhS gFt ekF tJ lh,
fkhfS, cyf uidfS Tl ulh
grkh Lwd.
nf : FU ... l cw vgo mika ntL?
$ : y gfis brh g bfhLgtiu
eh FUthf VW bfhSnwh. eik l
mtUF mfkhf tuf bjJsd.
mF braKiw csJ.
Phdij bghWj ms jjh
Kakhf csJ. FUthdt jdF
bjjij lDF T lid sf itf
ntL. F cajt jhjt vw iy
yhk, rk jFl fyJiuahl
brjhjh, xUtl cs br kwtl
brW mil, bja ntoa brjh
KaJt bgwntL. brh bfhLgt
jFF KaJt Uf TlhJ.
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 Phdij gJ bfhSt, FU Za
cz vgJ egfSF UF njhHik
cwthf Ujhjh rahf UF. mbghGJ
jh ldh jdJ rnjfij kd L nfL
bj bgw Ko. eh mf bjjt; eh
brhYtij mgona nfLbfh ! vw
mQFKiw F ilahJ.
j J mfiw Uf ntL. FU
ZafSil, xU rf#khd cw Uf
ntL. ca jh vgJ Uf TlhJ.
nf : eh thif Kndw ntL.
thif caj lij mila ntL.
vdJ nehf rjhdh ?
$ : rakhf rahdJjh. wthif
xbthUtU yafis itJ Kndw
ntL. Kafis nkbfhs ntL.
kndhahf kL, cajJ, jhjJ
vW vJ ilahJ. eh UF ljh
caj l. el yhj iyjh jhthd
iy.
eh nfhgJl Unw vwh, nfhg
yhj iyjh caj iybaW,
nfhgJl UgJ jhj iybaW
fUbfhSnwh.
cik eKila nfhgjh, eh
UF ajhj iy. mJjh caj iy.
nfhgnk yhj m iybagJ, mnghJ
mF el iy. mjdh mJ eik VkhW
iyjh mJ. VkhW jikila iyjh
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 jhj iy.
ij w cyFF vLJ bfhs TlhJ.
mnf UF iyjh caj iy vd
vz TlhJ.
nf : xU kjDF elF ff midJ
ugr Vbfdnt fgljh? myJ
mtdJ mdh eljgLwjh ?
$ : eh Vbfdnt J rgjkhf ghnjh.
bra brtjF ekF Option ... cik
csJ. ekF go Option ... Rju Ujh
kLnk mJ fkhthf tu Ko. vyhnk
iwt brtjhf UF gr ekF
fkhnt ilahJ. fkh vW xW UF
gr mF eh bragl Vnjh UwJ.
vgJjh bghU. eKila brafSF
ehnkjh bghW.
nf : thWjh thH ntL vW tiuKiwia
VgL thGtJ rahd thth? myJ
jtwh?
$ : wahd thit bghUj ms, rahd
tiuaiwl xGfahf thLtJjh
r. mf czfSF ij bfhL brY
nghJjh, mJ nghulfskhf khLwJ.
cik eh wjsY, mfjsY uhd
iyiajh mila ntL.
Mdh, wjs rahd iyia mila
Ka njit. mfij bghWj ms Kajh
rahd iyia milajF jilahf csJ.

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 mfij uikf nghuhodh, mJ nkY
nflilJ L. mij vj Ka yhk
mJngh Llh jhdhf rahL.
nf : nfhg myJ ftiy VgL nghJ eh vd
bra ntL? vjid filof ntL?
$ : ekF nfhgnkh myJ ftiynah tUwJ.
mgo tU nghnj mjDl nrJ xUj
gJg Ef nrJ tJLwJ.
it jhkhfnt tJLwd. itfis
eh bfhL tUnwhkh myJ mit jhkhf
VgLwdth vgijjh eh ftf
ntL. ekF, k, Jf, g, ga
VgLwd. itf, mitahfnt, jhkhf
VgLwdth vgijjh eh ftf
ntL. ekF, k, Jf, g, ga
VgLwd. itf, mitahfnt, jhkhf
tUwdth, myJ ehkhf bfhL
tUnwhkh ? f kh eogjhf
itJbfhnth. f nfhg
gLgoahfnth, JaugL goahfnth myJ
gaij fhLtjhfnth eof ntL. F
fshf mj czfis Generate
gQf. fshf cg brf.
nghJ eilKiw th cfSF
vjidnah jkhd czf VgLwd.
Jf, nfhg, ga, fhk vW vjidnah
jkhd czf VgLwd. f
Generate gQfsh? fshf cg
brfsh ? myJ mitahf VgLwdth?

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 mitahfnts VgLwd. jhkhf Vglitfis
fshf bfhLtjjhf f jtwhf vLJ
bfhSf. fshf bfhL tjh
kLnk, mitf cf fLgho Uf
Ko. kh f mGtJngh eof
brhYwhf. nghJ, WJ vwh W
bfhsyh. Mdh cfisaahk Vgl
czf cf fLgho Ugiy.
mit jhkhf tUtjhf vLJ bfhnlhkhdh,
mtiw uikF bghW ekF ilahJ.
eh mwgLj Ka brjhY mJ eik
Vkh L ekF dhnyna tJ L.
nf : X CUF Ph xUt tUjh. mtUF
rhl vd ntL vd nfljF mt
ah ntL vW nflh gjf
ah bfhL tUtjF mt
ahdJF ngh lh. f wJ
ghf ah UjJ. gjf rhl
brhdhf.
mj Ph ahia bjhL bjhL,
mgh rhL! mgh rhL ! vW TL, mj
ahia gjfl U bfhLJ lh.
gjf nfljf, vdJ kdJjh
ahia nflJ. mij rhl brhnd.
kdjh rhl Koaiy, rhL bra cliy
rhjJ. kdij rhjjy vW Tdh.
j fij cf fUJF bghU
Lwjh? fS J nghw fUijjh
TWfsh?

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$ : kd nghd nghbfyh nghf ntlh vW
TWtJL. eKila kdJ vnghJ uil
ehlf ML jikilaJ. eKila
kdJjh uidfisbayh bfhL
tU. wF mJnt f ntL vW
othj br. Jjh isia
L, bjhoiy MLtJ vgJ.
kd uL jkhf bjh gLtjhjh
uidfns bjhlJ UJ tUwd.
kd fgl ehlfij bfhStJjh
milik. m bragho fhuzkhf uil
ehlf ML kdJ KYkhf
wffglntL. kdJ wff gLnghJ
kdJ bfhL tj uridfS yhk
nghLwd.
nf : kd Vgl gfis yhk brtJ
vgo ?
$ : mgo xU fUJ TwgLwJ. Mdh
gfis FtbjgJ rhaiy.
gf mJ nghdhY Tl a gf
tJL.
nf : U btWgw kdiyUjh a
gf VglhJ vW TWwhf. Vbfdnt
Vgl git vd brtJ ?
$ : cfSF xU g VgoUjbjwhY
mjdh ekF gh VgLjh Mf ntL
vw flha iy.
nf : rjg Niy mgo VgL nghJ mj

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 gf btna tJ eik
uridfSFshFwnj ?
$ : f TW mQFKiw csJ.
kdgf UJ Lgl ntL;
rfhufUJ Lgl ntL; Conditioning
fUJ Lgl ntL vbwyh TwgLwJ.
Mdh eKila fUJgo mgo
vtUJ f Lglntlh
vgJjh.
nf : cfSila mQFKiw vd?
$ : cfSila kd vjidnah jkhd
gf csd. cfSila gf
bjhFghfnt cfSila a mikJsJ.
xU Fl Niy nghJ,
mj gfUJ czf btgL
Lwd. J cfisaahknyna elJ
LwJ. mj Niy njitnfw
btghL jhkhf VgLL.
mjF mwkhf eh mj czfis, ehkhf
RfJbfhSnwh. j czf ntL
vnwh, myJ ntlh vnwh mjid ekJ
czthf RfJ bfhSnwh. ntlh
vwh befothf, ntL vwh ghothf
mlh brJ bfhSnwh.
tu Toa czf eh <LghL
fhLtjhjh mj czf
gyKilajhwd. yho vyh
czfS vgo tjdnth, mgona ngh

- 134 -
 Lwd.
cf aY, gY vj uid,
jtWfS ilahJ. mit jhkhf tJ L
jhkhf ngh L.
KG gfis fh brtJ vgJ
mah vgJ ngh, eik KlkhFtJjh. mJ
njitiy.
nf : kdflj rkh iyF brtjF ekJ
vzf jilahf fUjgLwdnt?
$ : mY Tl kdJ miy ghahk af
ntL vWjh TwgLwnj ju,
gfisbayh xWyhk ngh
l ntL vW TWtiy. gf
Ufjh br. myghahj jikl
Ugij kL TWwhf. kdij mirtW
xUiygL rkh iyF brY g
gojh bfhLfgLwJ. mj rkh
iynghJ kdJ mirtW UwJ. mj
rkh iy fiyjJ kd L mira
JtFwJ. vyh gfUJ VgL
czf L bttujh br.
gf vj urid ilahJ. mjF
gyij bfhLgJ, mjF gyij
bfhLfhk UgJ ekJ iff jh
csd. NiyF Vw Reaction jhkhf
Vgljh br. m ntoaJ
ntlhjJ vW ghFghL brtjh, mj
Reaction gy bgW LwJ. mj aig
vJ rilLtjhY, mj a gy

- 135 -
 bgW LwJ. mj aig vJ
rilLtjhY, mj a gy bgWwJ.
mj aig jf itJbfhStjhY
mj a gybgWwJ.
nf : vz miyfUJ wF vgojh
LgLtJ ?
$ : vz miyfUJ Lgl ntL vgJ
Tl ahd, rkhf <Lgl UgtfSF
jh njit. vz miyfSF eh vj
tifY KaJt bfhLfhk Ujhny
eh mtUJ Lgl iyF tJ
Lnwh. fl FJ
ghUfsh? fl miyia f
vjh mJ cfis uo nghL L.
f mjF v brahk FJ
bfhlh mJ cfSila jiyF nkyhf
cfis flJ brW L. f UF
l UJ bfhnl mikahf
Ffyh. caukhd miy Tl tU. eh
F l mirahk W Ffyh.
miy mogfkhf FJ bfhlh
nghJ. kd miyghtJ vgJ xU
uidna my. mij vJ
rilLtij jh Wbfhs
ntL. mJ ngh L lh jhdhfnt
rh iyF tJ L.
nf : Phd vwh vd vgjF kwtf
bfhLF sfF f bfhLF
sfF vd ntWghL ?

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$ : Phd, enlightenment vW TwgLwJ. mJ
Vnjh xU iy vgJ ngh njhWwJ.
vDila fUJgo, Phd vgJ xU fUJ
tkhd bj kLnk. ekJ kndh
afij ga xU fUJ tkhd bj
kLnk. mgo bjJ bfhStjh ekF
xU is VgLwJ. mj isit Ljiy
myJ likeration vd TWnwh. ij ekJ
rhuf K iy vW TWwJ.
jdh, uridfnshL aF kdJ
uridf yhk aF jikF tJ
LwJ.
y Phd vgij xU nguthf vLJ
bfhwd. ruhr kjDF bjahj
bjyh mtUF bjtjhf,
Kfhyij brhy Toa Mw UgJ
nghy TwgLwJ. mjifa Phd ntW;
eh TW Phd ntW. mitbayh y
gf isthf Vgl Toa y
mjkhd rahF.
nf : kdYsitbayh mjh jh Phd
tUkh vW mj mg nfwh.
$ : eh TW, Phd, Ljiy MatWF,
kdYs gf vit ml ntoa
njitiy. Ugit vyh mgo Ufyh.
nf : fLgL Mf br kd UJ
Lglh nghJ.

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$ : Mkh. ehnk eik vJ nghuho Lnwh.
ekJ aig vJ ehnk nghuho Lnwh.
eik vJ nghuhlhj jikF tJ
Ltijjh eh bj myJ Phd vd
TWnwh.
ekF jUF af ah,
mjj Niy nghJ, jhkhf btgljh
br. mtiw eh Rffhk L lh
mj afdh Vgl btghLf ah
gykW nghL.
eKila thifF ekJ afns
yhk vJ bra KoahJ. ekJ thifF
mitjh cjwd. njitF tJ
LnghF jikila mtiw, eh
RfJ gygLJtJ jh jtW. gfnsh,
rfhufnsh yhkUjh eh m
tsuhj FHijahf UJ Lnth. vj
fhafis brl rawtfsh
Lnth.
nf : af mJngh eik GJ ngh
Lwdnt ?
$ : ghgjF mgojh njhWwJ. Mdh
cik mgo fHiy. eh
kdtkhf rkJ mj czfis eh
eKilajhf RfJbfhStjh kLnk
mit eik GJ brYwd.
nf : w w rhjhuzkhdJ jh. Mdh ekF
beUfkhdtf wF nghJ ekF Fj
ntjid VgLwnj ? mj fhuz vd ?
- 138 -
$ : Phd, Ph vwh eh xU fgidia
itJbfhoUnwh. mirahj iynghY,
vnghJ KWtYlD Ph Ugh vd xU
fgidia itUnwh. cwd wjJ
kd mJ xU ghig VgLJwJ. mJ xU
#. eikaahknyna VgLwJ.
nf : mgo tUtij ehK tUgoahf ghJ
bfhsntLkh?
$ : ekF mF vj bghW ilahJ. mJ mj
ngh tJ brY iyjh rahd iy.
nf : vyh czfSF xnu ghKyhjhdh?
$ : Mkh, xnu ghKyhjh.
nf : eh tKiwia Utiy. Mdh vuh
tKiw <LgLwh. eh mjid rJ
bfhStjh? myJ mjid vgjh?
$ : ekF uLjkhd braghLf csd.
xW Action; kwJ Reaction. Reaction vgJ ekJ
kdD eikaahk VgL cz kW
mDgtf. Action vgJ ehkhf bragLtJ.
ehkhf mJ bragLtJ. eKila Reaction I
vJ VjhtJ brnjhkhdh mj ahr gy
bgW LwJ. bra vgJ... Action vgJ, ehkhfnth
myJ kwtfshfnth brtJ. mjid eh v
bfhLjh Mf ntL. mtUl gYF
nfhgglh jh mj Niyia r bra
Kobkwh, bkikahfjh elJ
bfhsntL. X ms eg xU Niyia
vgo v bfhthnuh mgo v bfhs

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 ntL. J wbra, Mfnt w braYFa
Kiwiajh F filof ntL.
nf : nfhgnk tuhjgo ghJbfhs ntL vW
TWwhfns ?
$ : nfhg eikaahk VgLtJ. eh y
ahdf <LgL nghJ, eh y mjkhd
kdiynahL Ungh. mj iy
nfhggL goahd rjg VglhYTl ekF
nfhg VglhJ. mJ mj ahd mDgt
jhfdh VglJ. Mdh j iyia
ekh ujukhf KoahJ. mj iyUJ
btna tjJ ekJ czf midJ
eik Rygkhf jh L.
nkY nfhg VgLnghJ, eh ahd
brtiy. bra KoahJ. nfhg yhj
neu jh ahd KafY <LgLnwh.
mtiw mJngh Llh fhy
ngh ekJ nkhrkhd af jhkhfnt
gyHJ Lwd.
nf : vkiw ff xUtiu Rygkh ghJ
Lwd. iy eh vgo ekJ Phdij
fhghbfhStJ?
$ : kndhjJt zf TWgo, eik
ghJfhF ghJfh cz jh ujhdkhf
csJ. The feeling of security . ghJfhF
mw jh gij ehL nghF VgLwJ.
ghJfh ilj wFjh gij njl
Mungh.

- 140 -
 eik bghUj ms, ekJ kd af
gojh mika ntL; go mika TlhJ
vw bfhifna ilahJ; ghKyhnt ilahJ.
czf ekJ ago jhkhf tJ
brYt jtW vJ ilahJ. eh Adopt
brahkUjh nghJ.
w braYF mlh brJ bfhsyh.
mfij uikF nehf eh vij
mlh bra ntlh. Jjh ekJ bkhj
mQFKiw. Jnt ekF njitahd gyid
jhkhfnt bfhLF.
ekF Kof ntoa gf iwa gh
lwJ. eh mjid KogjF nrhggL
cfhUnwh. mnghJ ekF Obud xU
blr VgLwJ, ekJ gia Kofhlh
eZl VgL Lnk vW, eh mj blrid
ekF rhjfkhf mlh brJ bfhL, mj
gfis KoJ bfhsyh.
mgo vj g yhk, vj
nehfKnk yhk, njit vJnk yhj
iy, mgo xU blr VgLwJ. vwh
eh mjid mgona fL bfhshk L
lyh. mJ jhdhfnt tJ jhdhfnt gyHJ
nghL.
nf : xWkw jikjh KGikad iyah?
Mfha jh vyhkhf UwJ; xWkw
jikahf UwJ.
$ : xWkw jik vgJ yhj xW. mgo
vJnk ilahJ. mJ ekJ fgidah VglJ.
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 xbthU fzY eh vijahtJ mDgJ
bfhoUnwh. X MW mikahf Xo
bfhoUwJ. mj RH vgJ eh ekJ
mDgti g ogJ nghwjhF. ekF
VgL czfis, mDgtfis g
ofhj gr mit nuhlkhf ngh
Lwd. RH yhj Mwhf, uhd ntf
ngh LwJ. xWkw iy vw thijia
l, midJ jhkhf efJ bfhoUF xU
iyahf mjidbfhsyh. fsfglkw
FHij iy vgJ xU jgl iyay. mJ
vijnk g ofhk, vyhtiw efJ
bry mDkF xU iyna.
j : mj iyia eh mQfnt KoahJ vW
Twyhkh?
$ : mgo xU iyna ilahJ vW jh eh
TWnwh. iyahd jikila xU iynt
ilahJ vWjh eh TWnwh. eh Mov-
ing Unwh. ugrnk go efJ
bfhoUgjhfjh TWwhf. eh xU RHyhf
UFnjhW eh xU iyahd iyF tJ
Lnwh. xU j jikF KaJt
bfhLF iyF tJ Lnwh. RH
yhk ngh lh mJ bkhj nuhl
fyJ LwJ. bkhj Xl UjhY, xU
a RHyhf UJ jfhfkhd j jikia
itJ bfhoUnwh. bkhj af
KaJt bgW nghJ, jj af
KaJtij HJ LwJ. jj af
KaJtij HF nghJ, bkhj af
- 142 -
 KaJt bgWwJ. xWkw jik vgJ,
xU bghUshf UF jikia HJ
LtJ vJnk yhj Naij mJ
FLtiy. jjikia HJ
Lnwh.
nf : Uik jikia HJ Lnwh.
$ : Uik jik vgij l, j jikia
HJ Lnwh. j jikjh Uik
jikF fhuzkhf mikJsJ. njitF
jFj kh jfhfkhf, RH jfhkhf tJ
nghJtJngh, j jik tJ nghwJ.
RHny yhj iybaW eh fgidahf
itJ bfhSnwh. RH jik...
jjik... f mtakhd xW.
jjik yh lh cyfnk
jJL. kdJ vijahtJ goJ
bjhglhlh, vj fhaK elfhJ.
miyaw flyhf Uf ntL vgJ ngh
yafis itjh mgo eh thH KoahJ.
rkh iyF khunk mJ rha. myJ
f Ufyh.
nf : eh xU FU ehjl ghl nfL tUnw.
jnghJ FLgnjhL Unw. iu
FLgij L btnaW nehf
Unw.
$ : bghJthf eh VjhtJ xU othjij thif
Kiwahf itJbfhoUnwh. eh go Uf
ntL. go Uf TlhJ vgitbayh
othjnk. FLgnjhL UJjh Unt

- 143 -
 vgJ vgo othjnkh, mgo FLg yhk
thLtJ vgJ othjnk, UgnjhL
Ugjhf rf#fkhf thGtJjh rahdJ.
vikahf thLtJjh rahdJ. othj jh
uidf vyhtiw bfhL tUwJ.
f othj jh uidf vyhtiw
bfhL tUwJ. f othjkhf FLgij
J thjh fhy, mgo L L
tjJjh jtW vgJ bja tU. othj
vgJ ekF yhk ngh lh, ekbfW
X ang yhk ngh LwJ. f
jjikahf UF tiujh, cfSF
rhjfkhfnth myJ ghjfkhfnth cyf
aFwJ vw vz tUwJ. f
miltjnfh, Ltjnfh VjhtJ UF
tiuY, f xU j jikF, xU
othjJF KaJt bfhLJ Lf.
othj yhj iyjh cfsJ ajhj
iy; rf#khd iy.
nf : uhjj jh eKila agh?
$ : Mkh. nghijF uhujjh eKila
aghf mikJsJ. uhujjh eh
bragLtjfhf vLJbfhL tjJ. ekJ
bra _y ekF a mDgtfS, a
afS jhf nrLwd.
nf : Mfha tuhk jLgJjh ekJ g?
$ : Mfha, uhuj vyhnk gyHJ Lwd.
Jjh ntL; J ntlh vW othj
ofhj iy UF nghJ MfhaK,

- 144 -
 uhujK c bgwhk UJ Lwd.
vyhnk ut iyF tJ Xo kiwJ
Lwd. yho midij eh ciw
iyF... l iyF bfhL nghLnwh.
vyhnk ut iy uthkhf a XL
nghJ, nkhrkhd afdh Tl vj gh
VgLtiy. miy ekJ uhujnk ekF
cj br. btW FHijahfnt Ujh
thHnt KoahJ. VjhtJ xU Stiff... ruF...
Ujhjh thif vgnj rha.
eKila a... uhuj vyhnk njitjh.
nghuhl yhj iy a fkhf
nrUtiy. Mfha cg Mtiy.
nf : gwWj kd iyF ukrha mta vW
TwgLwnj?
$ : xW mta iy. othj kLjh
uid.
nf : ukrha _ykhfjh eh vgij
jahf J rh iy thG jikF
tu Ko vW TWwhf.
$ : eh vW jahf bjLfgl j
jikahf vJ ilahJ. jjik yhj
xU eh vnyhlK Ufjh brwJ.
mij jh eh fsfglkw
Innocent State vW FLnwh.
nf : KG ugrijs eh vW vLJ
bfhsyhkh?
$ : mgo vLJ bfhlhY, mJ ekJ xU
rhkakhd fLong; ekJ rfgnk. mJ
- 145 -
 njitiy.
nf : Kw, kWw csjh?
$ : Ugjhfjh njhWwJ. Ljiy
miljtf njitglh w vLJ
bfhsyh. gj gL wF iy kL
UfhJ.
nf : vdF j othjjh mfkhf csJ.
ahuhtJ ng lh gy fhyJF mJ vid
bjhju brJ tUwJ. vdJ othjUJ
vgo GtJ vW vdF bjaiy.
$ : ekF othj VglhY r, myJ ntW vj
jkhd czf VglhY r, ehkhf kd
U othj ojhjh mJ eik
ghF. eikaahk eh othj
onjhkhdh, mjid eh bjJ bfhl
khu mJ gyHJ L. cfSF
VgL jtwhd czfnsh, gHffnsh
cfisaahk fGtjhf ghJbfhs
ntL. Vbd mij f fLoj
clndna W nghL. ehkhf U
bragnlhkhdh, mJ c bgW LwJ. mJ
tu TlhJ vW idgJ Tl mjF c
bfhLgjhf ML.
nf : XUt rhgho mf <LghLfhLgtdhf
Uwh vwh, fhyngh m
r VgL LwJ. xUt jjkhd
Jfis mt Mt fhLwh vwh,
fhyngh mY r VgL
MtFiwJ LwJ. go gfis
- 146 -
 mDggj _y mUJ LgL th
ilfjhnd brwJ?
$ : F ujhdkhd mr vdbtwh g
Efjh. gij ehL kd ajh
Ka gif twJ. xUt fh Mt
fho tirahf fh rhLtjhf itJ
bfhSnth. KjyhtJ f rhL nghJ f
Ritahdjhf UJ mtDF kia
bfhLF. tirahf rhL nghJ k
FiwJ bfhnl tU. xU viyia jho
lh fh J btW Tl tJ lyh. Mdh
mt jdJ ghijia kh bfhSwh.
fhia L L OF kh bfhSwh.
bghUjh khWwnjbaha mtDila
gij ehL nghF khWtiy. fh
g FiwJ ljh gij eho OF kh
Lwh. gij L L JgJF
XoLtiy. gij ehL nghF mgona
jh UwJ. _yjhd vgJ g
Efjh.
nf: vLj clnd g dh nghfhnj vW
Tdh, mJs kuzij nghW M Lwnj.
$ : g Eff ah eik kaf itJ
Lwd. Jgf jh, mtUJ Lgl
ntLbkw X vzij VgLJ, g xU
nghJ Ljiyia neha czit VgLjhJ.
g UF nghJ, m khaikf
ntL vnwh mUJ Lgl ntLbknwh
UfhJ. gona nghdh ekF uid
VgL L vwh kL ga VgLnkbaha,
- 147 -
 gUJ Lgl ntLbkw nehf
aifahf VglhJ. JgUJ yFf vW
vtU brhy ntoaiy. mJ eknf ofhj
xU iy. mJ xU tz vgjh,
eikaahknyna mUj Lgl U
Lnth. g Saturation point vW vJnk
ilahJ Saturation point vyhnk bghUnshL
bjhlilaJ. bghUis ntLkhdh kh
bfhth. g ehl UJ bfhnljh
UF. g ehl vrfiahf Uf
ntL vw czit Tl, Jgjh ekF
bfhLwJ.
g kWgf Jg Ugjh,
gij eho brwh Jg jh Ko.
bgLyij xUgf jlh mJ kWgf
ngh L. V.. miw UJ gHdh,
rhjhuz btiy Tl ekh jhf KoahJ. eL
iyjh rahd iy. mF tUtjF
Jgjh ekF cj br. vj msF
gJF brYwnkh, mj msF mJ
Jgij bfhLwJ. Jgij bfhLgij
jh, g ekF br cjahf
vLJbfhs Ko.
nf : Phd milj vikahdJ; RygkhdJ vW
TWf. fZlgL ciHJ rghjh jh
gz mUik bj. mJ ngh gyjkhd
Ka brJ Phd bgwh jh mjDila
mUik bj.
$ : Phd milj vJ vW eh TdhY,

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gyjkhd Kafis brJ Kojtf jh
el tUwhf. D Kolij
fLof Koaiyna vw j
UwtfSF jh eh brhYtij vjhf
vLJbfhs Ko. Kj Kjyhf Mf
EiH nghnj vdJ fUJf kLjh
cfSF ilwJ vwh, ij
vLJbfhL cfsh j iyF Rygkhf
tuKoahJ. Mt f KakhdJ.
bghJthf Phd vD brh uL jkhd
bghU TwgLwJ. Phd vwhny uzkhd
m vw bghU jh J bfhsgLwJ.
vijbayh bjJ bfhs ntLnkh
mijbayh uzkhf bjJ bfhl X
mthj iy vW, Phd J
bfhsgLwJ. Jjh vnyhU bghJthf
vLJbfhsToa mj.
Mdh eh TWtJ ntWjkhd mj.
eik bghUjtiuY Phd vgJ, ekJ
kd, m ayhikia J bfhStJ.
ekJ kdJF myJ mF X viyL.
mJ mjFjh bragl Ko; ma Ko.
mjF mghYstiw mjdh milanth,
manth KoahJ. go ekJ m viyia,
m ayhikia J bfhStJjh
Phd vgJ eKila fUjhF.
Mdh eKila ayhikia kL
uzkhf mJ bfhSnwh. mij kL
rnjfJF lyhk mJ bfhSnwh.

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 ekh Ko vW fU bfhoUF
tiuY eh Ka brJ Ko nkhbfhnl
Ungh. ekh KoahJ vgij eh kd
tkhf czJ bfhl iy, ekJ
Kafbsyh gyHJ W nghLwd.
ekJ m Kaia ifljh, ekJ
m yhk nghLtiy. mjF
wF, ekJ m... ekJ kdJ... bragl jh
brwJ. mj iy, ekJ m ntW
tifahf khw milJ LwJ. mj khw,
eh bfhL tj khwky. mJ jhdhf
fGwJ. ntfkhf Xo brw nkhlh
thfd Obud nuif f
ofshdh, xW mj thfd ghijUJ
gftho U L myJ FwthtJ
uLL. Vnjh xU khw VgL L. go
ukhd KalUj eh ekJ ayhikia
czU nghJ, ekJ kdJ Vnjh xUjkhf U
LwJ. ehkhf Utiy. jhdhf j
khw VgLwJ. J Kaah Vgl
khwky; Kaia ifljh Vgl
khw. go VgL vW mjfhf Ka
brjhY, J VglhJ. eKila ayhikia
J bfhStnjhL ekJ gF flik KoJ
LwJ.
nf : ruzhf F vgo bghUJwJ ?
$ : vyh brafS iwtnd brwh vd
vLJbfhS nghJ ekF vj bghW
yhk ngh LwJ. vyhtWF

- 150 -
 iwt jh bghW vw iy, eh vJnk
brahk gLJ Ltiy. eh
brafis brajh brnwh. Mdh
vj braYF eh jh cikahs vw
bghWig vLJbfhStiy. mj
iyY braf midJ RjukilJ
Lwd.
nf : Kaia vgo LtJ ?
$ : eh Kaia lntL vgJ nehfky.
eh miltjF vW VjhtJ X yif
itJbfhoUjh mjfhd Ka
eikaahk VgL L. miltjF vJnk
iy vgij eh fL of ntL.
miltjF vJ iy vw iy
KafS jhkhfnt W L.
nf : f ehgJ tUlkhf Ka brJ
fLoJf. f vfSF
tfhLf. f ehgJ tUl
miljij ehf ehYtUl mil th
ilfyh.
$ : f vnf nghtjF tfhl brhYf?
nghJ f cfSila bkhia Vnjh
xU jik khbfhL, miltjF Vnjh xW
Ugjhf itJ bfhLLf.
eKila kdJ vnghJ, vijahtJ fho
mjid miltjF obfhnl UF.
Rkh UgJ jh rahdJ vW brhdh,
Rkh UgjF eh vd bra ntL? vW

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 ekJ kdJ nff MuF. vij
brahkUf ntL vW eh g
brhdh, vij brahkUgjF eh vd
bra ntL vW L nfLL.
ekJ kdDila bkhna, vijnah, mila
ntL, mjfhf vijnah bra ntL vw
tif mikfgLsJ. ekJ kdJ,
jidaahknyna, jh miltjF vijnah
cg brJ LwJ.
miltJ vw afyhk ngh lh,
eh vw mrK yhk ngh L.
miltJ vgij itJbfhL jh eh
vD afnk c thJ bfhoUwJ.
jh c thtjfhf, mJ miltjF
vijahtJ cg brJ LwJ. vij
mila ntlh vwhY milahk
UgjF eh vd bra ntL? vW mJ
nfF. go mJ vijahtJ brh
jidjhnd VkhbfhS.
cik eh miltjF vJnk
iy vgij fLof ntL.
nf : mila jFahd caj iy vJ
iyah?
$ : brid mg xUt nflh. eh caj
iy vW TwgL mj iy, go vijnk
mila njityhj xU rhjhuzkhd iyahf
Uf KoahJ. mJ Vnjh xU ahrkhd
iyahf myth Uf ntL? xU
ahrkhd mDgtJl Toa iyahf
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myth Uf ntL. mgojh vdJ kdJ
brh bfhoUwJ. eh xU iyF tJ
nl. vwh, mJ X cdjkhd iyahf
UF grjh, vdF uzkhd U
VgL. eh xU ey iy UJ
bfhoUnw vw cz vdF UJ
bfhoUf ntLkyth? go mt mjid
g nfLbfhoUjh. Mdh mt xU ruhr
kjuyh. caj f, bjhY cilat.
Mf mDgtf gy cst.
eh vnghJ xU U milnwh
vgij ghjh, ekJ cl ahf, cz
ahf, kd ahf ekF xU U
ilF nghJjh, mjid eh U vW
cznth. mgo xU mr bragL nghJjh,
mJnt nghJ, ntW vJ njitiy vw
vz VgL.
ciknyna mgo xU iyia eh
miltjhf itJbfhlh, mjid jf
itJbfhStnj bga nghuhl ML.
wF mJnt gyjkhd uridfis bfhL
tJL.
Mdh eikaahknyna e kdJ mgo
xU iyia fgid brJ mjid njo
LwJ. mJ mgo xU iy ujukhf Uf
ntL vw vgh ekF csJ. mgo
UF gr mJ X ciw iyahfnt Uf
Ko. Mdh eh TW iy X ciw iy
my. xnu mDgtij ujukhf mDggJ

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vgJ cikF wghdJ. mgo xU
mDgtnk ilahJ.
Mdh mgo X uju mDgt iyia
eh fgid brJ bfhL, mj iyF eh
tJ lh, vyh uridfS J L vd
vLnwh. mj fgidjh jtwhdJ.
ekJ csij, cliy,
czfis ujukhf U gLJtJ
ngh, vj jkhd mDgt iy ilahJ. eh
vghF mjid jikila iyf Tl
ekJ gf _y Vglyh. Mdh mj ca
mDgt iyTl fhyngh rzitna
VgLL. Mfnt uju Uia
bfhLF vj iy cik ilahJ.
yUF Mdjkhd gyjkhd
mDgtf Vglyh. mjifa mDgtfis
jhojh tUnw. y neuf c
Kj csfh tiu Mdjkhd mDgtf
VgL. Mdh mj mDgt of MuF
nghJ, mjid jh bfhs ekJ clyh Tl
KoahJ. mjF nkY mj mDgtnjhL
UF gr ekJ cl Mnuha Tl
gGjilJL.
Mdh mj mDgt VgLnghJ, MAh
j mDgt vts cathdjhf,
Uahf csJ. ujukhf Uf
Kojh nghJnk vWjh vz njhW.
Mdh mj mDgtij, eh msffkhf
itJbfhlh, mJ gyjkhd cl

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cghijfis bfhL tJ L.
bkahd iy, bk bghU mDgt vW
T, eh vijahtJ vLJbfhS nghJ, mJ
eik ehnk Vkh bfhStJjh. eh v
ghfToa mDgt Tl Vglyh Mdh
mjid milj wFjh bj, mJ mjifa
jFahd mDgt my vW.
mgo xU iyia v ghJ
bfhoUF tiu ekJ njLj fhJ. njLj
whjh cik eh vij mila
ntLnkh, mij miljjhF.
eh vijahtJ njo bfhoUjh,
mij ju kw vyhtiw jSgo brJ
Lf. mgo eh njLtjF vJ yhj
gr, eh njbjLgjF vJnk yhk
nghL. ekJ njLjiy mDrJjh
bghUis, mDgtfis njbjLnwh.
njLj yhj iy mgo njbjLjY
yhk ngh LwJ.
miy, cfis mahk jhkhf
vd mDgtf VgLwdnth, mtnwhL eh
UJ Lnwh. mgo mj mDgtnjhL eh
UjhY mj mDgtK jhdhf khLwJ.
vj mDgtij ekh oJ itf KoahJ.
ey mDgtkhdhY r, eh Ughj
mDgtkhdhY r, vjid ekh oJ
itf KoahJ.
y brhYtJL. vdF nfhg jh
f uidahf UwJ. f Rygkhf
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 nfhggLLnw ... go TWthf.
mtfl eh isahlhf TWtJL. Iah,
cfSF f vjhf nfhg tJ LwJ.
nfhgij fLgLJtJ jh uknk ju
nfhggLtJ cfSF f Rygkhd xW. r,
W fhiy Kj khiy tiu nfhgkhf UJ
fhLf ghngh vW Tdh vd
brf?
eh idJbfhnwh, mj
czfis eh fLghLF itJ lyh
vW. Mdh vj cz ekJ fLgho
iybagJ mj czit fLgLj
Kawh jh bj.
Kothd iy vJnk ilahJ. mila
ntoa Kothd iy vW VjhtJ Ujh jh
mij eh njl Ko; mjfhf Ka bra
Ko. mila ntoa l vJnk ilahJ
vgij fLogJjh Phd vW eh
TWtJ.
ehkhf vij njlhj iy,
vitbayh jhkhf fGwdnth,
mitbayh, xU jlf yhj uthfkhf
khLwJ.
nf : eh thtJ bghUshjhu rKjha. ekJ njLj
f mtakhdJ. ekfhf njlhlhY,
ekJ FHijfSfhf njojh Mf
ntoaJsJ.
$ : cya rkjkhd njLj ntW; kndhad
mDgtfis njLtJ vgJ ntW. cya
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 ahf eh njojh Mf ntL. Kaf
midij brJ jh Mf ntL.
kndhahf VjhtJ X mDgtij mila
ntL vW njodh, cfsJ njLj xU
nghJ iw bgwhJ. fhd iu njo
brYtjhfnt mikJ L. cya
fhafis brikahf bragLJtjF
f cf kdij, kd czfis
gagLjyh. Mdh cf kd czfis
uikf kd cjia ehLtJ jh
jtwhdJ. kndh ahd xU ujukhd iyna
ilahJ. mgobahU ujukhd iyjh kndh
ahd brikahd iybaW vLJ
bfhStJ jh jtW. kndh ahd njLj Tl
cfis mahk Vglh jtW ilahJ.
ehkhf mJ, kd U, kndh ahf vij
njl TlhJ eikaahk VgL njLj jhkhf
KotilJ L.
nf : w njitfSfhf Ka br nghJ, kd
mjfhd miffS KafS VgLtJ
rhjhuz xW jhnd.
$ : mgo mirajh br. mgo mirajh
ntL. mgo mirjh jh, wbraiy
f rtu bra Ko.
nf : jdh ekJ kd njityhk miyghJ
f ngjJ Lwnj?
$ : Kj cfsJ kdJ cyf fhafSfhf
mirJ mtiw uikf Ka brjJ. mJ
njitahd mir; njitahd Ka.

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 nghJ f mLj flJF tJ
Lf. cf kdJ njityhk miy
ghtjhf TWf. jdh ekJ kdij miy
ghahk rh itf ntL vw vz
VgLwJ. J jh jtW. ekJ kdJ go
afyh, go af TlhJ vW uikf
nghuhLtJ jh jtW.

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