“Pakistan is not involved”
"N THE wake of the army’ econ tn
the Golden Temple complex in Aart
sar end Punjab last orth, there were
‘Tepors the media hinting at posible
‘ableton comply inthe Sth terrorists
loo agitator for Khalisian. The Indian
lasimitions have am vehement protests
Fronthe Pakistan Government. The rena!
‘ant exchange of protest role: betneen
Now Deihi al Blomobed appeared 10
_tall,erenf temporrly, the already slon
Peay amen aie
‘ee eownries. Las fortnight, is view of the
seriousness of the Indian charge, Ina
‘Touayapproached Pakistan's new Ambas-
adr 0 India, Dr Mohanoned Hameyrn
Khan, vihasemevhar unconventional r=
‘quesiforaelephonc interview with
President Zl ag. Dr Khare
‘dy parsed on he reeuest tos eo
‘erament. Sic hows loter, General
‘Mobumoned Ziel Hog spokefiom
‘is home in Ravclpindi to Senior
Eater a vexar wanavat in New
Deli, The ecsie weephont in'-
‘enien, unprecedented inthe trou
‘Bled history ofthe Indon mbcont-
ent lasted #0 mimates ding WHC,
(he 60zyear-olf General anowered
questions on a variety of sbjecs
With natural courtesy and infie
‘therm and peti. "Lam speaking
to ye from my heart," he told Ne
rajan, Excerps:
. The weapons that were
scied fom the Golden Temple in
dertsar and chewhere in Pexjah
ine te pas fon eck oar Po
and Cine markings, Is
Jour romrnent lve ny
try inex the Sthecremi
in lad
’A- Aer we ard of such alle-
‘gtont from the Indian tide. ot
orsign office issued avery catego
‘ical denial, Our foreign tinistr.
‘while passing through London,
‘was aaked this queston aude has
‘ni that Pakistan as no banc in
‘ths; thes allegations are alse and
Yasclew, Pakistan isa sate whica
‘ought of imefering in the internal
Fairsof India, Allegations of Pakistaniin
volvement are wroag, baseless and false.
‘Q. U-your government i not dicey
invloed in helping the Sikhs, could 1 Be
thatthe weapons are coming tate Punad
Iam across the border through sales,
‘Afghan Majaeden, Wezalerms dealers
xticugh aye oe Paks ore
'A-Scch «thing should not be posse
bie. We have a large border. All the
border f not totally seed. Just before
this incident, the Indians had tie to seal
the Pakistan-ndia borders 28 effectively
ssposible, Asyouare aware, the Border
Seturiy Focoss were eplaced by regular
tuoogs, We did not react at ll 0 this b=
cause we felt wey comfcent, assed and
‘ateful thatthe Indian suthortes hed
cared fo consult us beforehand. & few
tronths ag, we hed docted aed based
Lupa gang f smugglers, caught inthe pro-
‘es of smuggling go} and weapons io
Patistan Irom India, If this con tke
place, obviously the converse too ca
happen. Bren sich an eventuabty itis
fot powibie to emvgele weapons fiom
Pakistan into India in sach large quit
ites and ths nae India to categoria.
Iy allege shat Pakistanis directly ox lac
fecily helping somebody to create dstur-
bance inide India Iti aot possible
'Q. Could tbe that over period of
time this hasbeen gine on and the extre-
imistsheve collected larg numberof ex
pens?
’A Tay be posible Reause these
days gun-rupning between Pakistan and
India Is 48 comtion as anywhere i the
world
Q. The cris snpected to be
sending weapons tothe Afohar Mie
deem in Paster. Do you thik
"har vhe cus may be posi sobre
‘assumption that the
‘ais nvolvedin arming the Maja
ldeen in Pakistani wrong. If this
is correc its ot within my know
edge itis wot within my know
lee, no weapons can pass 10 the
Afghan Mujahedson through Pa-
bissant teeters. I see no reason
‘vty che cishowld beinteresied
arming somebody in Indin to
Gente cistertanees. Revenlly, T
inet Vice-Presdent Bush, He had
come to Pabistan ater hi visi
Theis. vant (0 el you tat Tha
never heard such a categorical
tement tems anybody so relable
and so high piaced as Mr Bush,
estated tome tnatitisthe United
States's fim policy and bei that
they want iostengthen Lada, they
‘want to have very good relations
bipwith fod andy are ooking
forwanl oa beter US nciaelae
Aionship. Ise vo season wy on
theone hang, Vice Present Bush
fee me this and.on the other hand
the cry should be involved i
farming the Sikhs. Tt doesnt
does not bebe ia Mactiavellan Pakistan is a state which does not vl
rstes, We have xan nos
(Q. How serious isthe problem
Pherae rimestp’ ne believe in Machiavellian practices. oy ejiem arin he eben
Souldsotieisysedy oie Allegations of Pakistani involvement ton horde ths i oer fered
in owr internal alls. Silas,
‘we have nether tned nor have we
are wrong, baseless and false.
‘Diateral ks" Between the m0
‘coumee? What are the maresbud contemplated to check the sng
OF gd hash, weapons and 9908?
°b Thi prable is uly serious,
Smuggling doe ake pace act's bo
ders. This has hoen dicot most of
the talateral mectngs According to ah
geenent, the two. Border Sesity
Forocs aro honour bound and. duty
bound iocheckstugaing. They ae ao-
sted to keep contact woth exch other in
fordee to hep in proving neceiay in
formationandtoensietbat emuesine
Shocked in tins and ict, he nd
‘ualsareapprehende. Theres 3 go0d
‘vordination between the twe Border S-
fury Peres and tis pon bas beet
seustdat he diplomats eve practically
inal the moatngs, We have Been cont
uous) tying ose that such pracioes
af smugalngscrzs the tuo borders sre
atleast minima, ino oly checked
‘Q. Cou be tha sme digratied
lements within Pohstan who may ot be
trl posed tard your goer
iment ave doing is cua jo
cmbaresiment?
Ae teat site yoo that
nobody from the Pakisten side
Could be involved
1Q. Your governments rfsal
fo comment onthe recent develoy-
tmetr is Ponab bens i Ts
Internal matter has been pprecie=
tad ber. But Ganga Singh Dhillon
ies eon claming core rend
sith yo, thereby tying thet yo
rently hepag Kn. What the
tear of pour fiensdp wit Nt
“ow many tines did ke meet you?
‘lave any other pro-Kbafsta ee-
mens the Jagit Sigh Chauhan
ther met your If thy di what did
{hey ook youd forthemand whet
{4d you te then?
"A (Laughs. have rover met
ortalkedto Mr Chauhan nny
Phave nt met Ganga Singh Dh.
lontor elas years. hin
inital) though a commen fend
‘Tris was afew years ago. I enly
ret him as 2 Sikh ya Ww ad
Come 10 ist holy placer fis
Sourizy Evry ine has come
part of delegation he bas mot me
fad on all ich oecasont the
Treian ambesiador has so been
pretent When I wae nthe Unted
Bates of Armcrice It him there
ako. Bat we never dieased
Ue Skis should in Tndia becay-
st I believe in principles and T try
‘my best wo fllow what I speak ard
te practize what I preach,
Q. The Pekvtan radio and television
have lately Been putting cut stories that
‘appear designed voincte the Site re-
Delton. Some of ther recent reports, like
‘he mutiny im Aritsar, are baseless. Both
‘your vadlo and TV are controlled by the
Government. Don't you think 0 Bit of re-
Strait om hee part ov station he is
ima nefghbourig county would go «long
sony in bringing about Inde-Pakisten
amity?
‘A keep my eye on both radio and
television not because the Government
controls them. Tuey are autonomous bo-
dics, but they follow the polices ad
broad guidelines given by the Govern-
ment. We have an understanding with
India that both the media organisations
of India and Pakisian should not do an
thing sontrary tothe broad scepted pol
ies the ono governmenis. Why sheuld
Racio Pakistan be poingall out bread-
cast reports against Ira?
J only met Dhillon as a Sikh
AmongtourcvesvbatDhilonor patri who had come to visit holy empl
places in this country.
. Butteremst Se some ah the
Indian prot?
‘Ar The other day sombody asked
me a question: Wall ta sivation in
Panjab andthe alegstion india agaist
Pakistan afer Pakistan inci relations?
Tid no, beens Paisan ison 4 pease
‘ofeasve Pakistan was to normal =
laons with India ean stare you that
Pakwlan radio and cleiion are espon
sitleandrelabieorgaisatins. They wil
not broadest reports which ould kere
Sonsirecd intentionally or urntenio=
all.
(Q. Some of pour minions, in Boye
endshe Untet Sats, or ported com
‘ving Straus ne bio ince thems
‘spate the Indien Gereroment
‘A. This as toaly wrong, bast-
dese The Government of Palitan hase
{iced on a poly at having good neigh-
ouryrettons with Inia respective of
India’s intereal probes, How ean you
caea that he embasie of Pak
tan would be folowing a policy
contrary to this? Not posse 1
Unk these are unfounded surge
ona, prtaps nisguided forme
tion scht by cauberuntnteligence
ance.
1. You are yourself « Selant-
dar orm Peja. Whats your om
‘perception ofthe Panja opttin?
“AT wasbomi Jalaeghar bat
1am a vey patriotic Pakistan. 7
amnow aPakisuni adam nowa
Sanof the sil Whatever was there
‘ec let it for you to look afer ard
fares thesteation in Puna 6
‘oncerned, am one of thse po
Sons wo never happy at some
body eles trouble, We had gone
throu sone very serious uouble
like ths internally not only now
bbitoren when Eat Pakistan waa
[prof I seo reason why Pat
estan shoud fel happy about ary
fof nds dificltes, We wish you
fa the Best and T hope that the
Indian Government in own re
sponsible manner vl ave isin
rnalprablem and wil try to bring
oheslonamong various minorities
of Tedia inching the Muslins
‘who are avery large minority
there ore many naan who
sincerely elo in Indo Pakiten
eeip. Bog thy ove ered
‘heat reports ef scaled Pakistan
"nthe owe is Pani,
‘ha do you propose todo 10 cleat
ch dower?
‘Ar Tido 904 think that the
Government of Tia can be thatategpial and that sre that Pakistan ig
involved. Please tell em tat Pakistan
Would never do such 20 responsible
thang, Pasian ven never lnveved ie
anybody's atemal affairs eave alone
those! dl, acount hich our sery
‘lose neighbour and wih whom ve ae
ting to develo our reaions and im
‘rove them ts mush ss we can
‘Q. Your gorerament hes complained
to Jaa about traning camps forthe
‘Zaligar long the orcer eons x Pana.
The iden foreign scttary hes beady
ied hs cation ding is tes ee
‘Pakistan He has ited your foreign se
‘pean tons anyplace west
Intute check ir ont Doyoe seta)
Belle that Indes ane ening the A
Zelfigar group?
1. Wea rceved very categorical
information, We checked Sand thee we
brought 0 the noc o the ncn Fo
feign Oe. This was dscused bythe
two forign secretaries, We
fet assured when Me Rasgo-
tra atured our forign see
‘hat thee no such
thing That Ge onwards we
told the Indian foreign secre=
lary that we aeept his word
We hope there are no au
campy tow and tat nia wi
malesurethathere willbe no
Such camps in ature
0: Do you fer emp Beat
trope a fama
1 of the Bato fami?
ita humble blever
inflam and I doa fear anye
thy ony have fen of Gxt
Tonly Wy to do ny bet and
berform my ies a con-
‘Seatouly {ean and eave
the vest to Oo
1G. Mis Benasr Bhuta
fads tht she wil ry 0 fo
the eetons you propose 10
edn oar In Patan.
‘Act head that ope But
eh statement” We wil
take sare thatthe skctions
reek and that they ae ee
ind for
Q. Wat you tet Benet
tuto into Pabistan if she
wishes to ren? Ifyou de il
the be pared for he sites
crime and if somebody makes mistakes
there isa course of law which cakes them
inlo account. Personal uhiensdo not pay
‘any pat in Pakistan,
(0. But cas she come into Pakitten if
=?
heismost welcometocome back
any time she ies. Wedide'tforce herout
of the couniry. She weet on bet own
agcord for her medical weatment, THis ie
'Q. You said some months ogo that
youare net aailebletofigh the letionin
‘Pekisan. Have you changed your mind i
telp?
A. There is no change as yet. When
there isa change I will ge you a all my-
eit
Q. 1 seems 10 me that the Biter mes
mores of Partition, the Kashnir dxpate
tnd the Banglodesk war continee 10 tor
‘ment the Indians aswel a5 the Pakistanis
How mach longer do you thish i wil take
sto forget al this and get downto liringas
Fence?
‘A Twill take as long as you and |
andibe common man andthe responsible
persons will tae to forget i. The sooner
Ine turn the chapter over an forget the
pst and start with a fesh page without
{ppeehensions the better ill be for
both india and Pakistan,
10. If you were in the shoes of the
prime minister of Fula what are the three
‘most important hing thet you would do
Improve relations with Pakiton?
‘A. Thave no grudge against the ef
forts 3f the prime minister of India, 1
think Mrs Gandhi is doing her best. We
appreciate her efforts We hope that such
an effort il eoptinue and will oot tem
Doraniy be marred by shortsighted com.
pulsions ofthe forthcoming Indian eee
tion. I have nothing to suggest 1 & Yery
shrevat and expenenced politician Tike
Madam Gandhi
smewhat cold to youforanyrea-
‘on? Do you think she may
save beenmorecordial'o yous
Act never fet it, U never
had stich an inferiority com.
plex! 1 hase. always. been
grateful 10 Madam Gandhi
for all the respect and uae