GENERAL ': Luperi John, born in La Spezia, on 03/01/1950, domiciled at the Ministry of the Interior.

The defendant John Luperi asked to make spontaneous statements.

ACCUSED - Luperi John - First, I wanted to point out that it is rather difficult for me to follow this
debate as many years working in Rome, the Interior Ministry first, then the presidency, and it is difficult
for me to be present at 2 hearings per week. However, it is clear that I follow very carefully and follow
this process through my defenders. I have already made statements, I have made statements in 2001
as a witness, as a suspect in 2002, third interview, I made use of the right to remain silent for a purely
technical choice dictated by my defenders, I, I accepted responsibly. A third interview, the last one I
made in July 2003 and I carry this interrogation. In July 2003 the interrogation was, like, I agreed, and
the Defenders PM that, on that occasion, promised a thorough presentation of the elements and
almost sincere, I was hoping maybe I would say totally inappropriately, given the results in a favorable
evaluation of my position that could end with archiving. This did not happen. Unfortunately I have to
say that, basically, do not even think of being able to provide clarifying elements of simple
circumstances. I believe in trial I continue to be called the Deputy Prefect of La Barbera, Deputy
Director dell'UCICOS, namely the Central Directorate of Police Prevention. Here, on this, allow me the
Board could make a brief mention to the structure of the Ministry, the Department of Police PS and
Prevention. The Ministry is a complex organism, for which various departments. There are:
Department of Internal Affairs and Territorial Departments which are all specific reference to the
Minister, Department for Civil Liberties and Immigration, Fire Department, Department of Personnel
Administration and there is then the Department of the PS. The Chief of Police, Director General of
Public Security, is the head, is responsible for the direction of the Department of Public Safety is
responsible for implementing policy enforcement and public safety, the coordination of police forces,
the direction of the Police State. Obviously, the Department of Public Safety is a complex structure. E
'divided into a number of central functions that have different skills. There is the Central Administration
Office for the Coordination Office, The Central Directorate for Immigration, the Criminal Police, for the
Special Forces, for Sevizi Drug, human resources ... I think they are 18 . Among them is the
Prevention Police, the Central Directorate of Police Prevention, which is governed by a prefect, and
divided into 2 services: a service and a General Information Service Counter Terrorism. What does
this direction? Carries information, evaluates, processes, analyzes the information to law enforcement
to public safety. Conducts analysis of internal and international phenomena of terrorism and, with the
Antiterrorism Service, carries out support, pulse, coordination of investigative activities, and as part of
domestic terrorism and international terrorism, which are carried out by DIGOS , which are offices,
each in each police station, for which they have 103 offices, but not hierarchically dependent on the
functionally HQ. In the Central Management, among other things, there is no figure of a Deputy
Director. In fact, by custom, the figure of Vice is performed by 1 of 2 directors of service, namely older.
At the material time, namely in 2001, the figure as Deputy Director was the Chief of Berettoni
Stephen, Director General of the Information Service. Here. I, basically, I'm the commissioner
appointed in January 2001, after long experience of Deputy Police Quaestor at the Vicar of Florence
and I am assigned as an adviser to the Ministerial Added January 23 on a mission to the Central
Directorate of Police Prevention. Now, what is the task of the Ministerial Council says the decree
Added June 30, 1972, number 748, indicating that the Ministerial Council Added are entrusted with
specific tasks, including study and research, directly from the central figure, the Central Manager.
Arrival in Prevention of this Directorate, as a counselor and find Ministerial Added Barbera. The
Prefect Barbera I had never known, I never had the opportunity of relating with him either by phone, at
27, 28 years of Police, last year. I find a brusque man, rather shy, not particularly easy to approach,
not particularly inclined to trust, although the confidence motion. To me is given a desk, given a
computer, a car and a driver. Are not included in any service, either in the General Information Service
or the Service Counter Terrorism. I have a small room, very few resources, I do not have staff. I will,
from time to time, assigned tasks. The first was to bring to completion a project to reform the DIGOS,
which was already quite advanced by the Department. And that I completed. Then I was sent to
Trieste before and after Salzburg, at events in the G8, the G8 was on the environment ... In Trieste,
with an observer tasks. I had to be there and report what was going directly to the Head Office.
Observation. As the months passed, La Barbera, with whom, look, I had very few reports at the end of
what I was referring was entrusted to him, he took my papers, rework, if he wanted me corrections
and entrust again. At the end of this first period, around, I think in April, May, La Barbera began to
pass me that he was no match on the G8 in Genoa in 2001 forecast, but the real task, specifically, by
Ministerial Counsellor Added, I received in May 2001 directly from the Chief of Police during a meeting
that took place at the Department of Public Safety, chaired by the Head, that was attended by the
Deputy Chief Andreassi, the commissioner of Genoa, La Barbera and the other General Managers
interested in the event. He was told what I should do in Genoa during the G8 and the directives of the
Cape were translated in a note of the Central Directorate of the Central Directorate of Public ...
Prevention, a note to the Director of Central, La Barbera, who welcomed him, he signed . Here. These
were my homework, read a short passage ...
REQUESTS INVESTIGATION
DEFENCE - Mr. Di Bugno - Excuse me, Doctor I interrupt for a moment. There would be this
document production. This would be precisely delivered to the Board so that Dr. Luperi can read and
the Board has in front of him.
PRESIDENT - Please.
ACCUSED - Luperi John - So, basically, in this memo, which says the yes of the Central Manager
provides a unit of work made at the Central Directorate of Police Prevention and what is called an
operational unit, with tasks in information Genoa.
PRESIDENT - Please.
ACCUSED - Luperi John - The memo cites: "In detail, the Unit will take care of: the acquisition of all
the news related to the summit which will be immediately transmitted to the unit of work, the
progressive development of all activities related to the G8 and during the course of the work unit will
monitor constantly present in the same direction by providing a framework and detailed the situation
to date. In parallel, the police headquarters in Genoa provide all the information that are received from
Your Lordship "- that is, by the Director of Central -" designed to orient and (modulate) the activity of
the sector. The preparation and management of the hall in Genoa International Relations, established
with foreign colleagues a constant exchange information according to the needs identified on the spot
and follow the signs from time to time, issued by the Centre. " On the next page you specify: "The Unit
Operations directed by the senior executive John Luperi will consist of ..." - and assign officials for ...
Here. These are my powers of Genoa. A form of ... Setting up and management of this hall
international, in the busiest time, record the presence of 15 international police forces sent to the
event and what the jargon is translated as exchange of information between the Directorate and
Genoa. From Genoa to management and vice versa. This was my task and I did this. Houses the
control room, I followed the story not only through the police, but also through the media and
newspapers, I report information directly with the Prefect terms Barbera, Barbera if the prefect had to
give indications of situations in Genoa, derived from the information channels such as the Central
Intelligence could be, the foreign police forces, other Police Forces, through me, well, obviously, and
to start a written note, informed me through the police station in Genoa. My role was to exchange
information. And in this context I, personally, I never participated in operations of PG. If operations
were PG, as it were, carried out by the police in Genoa or Genoa Police, my ... My concern was
simply to acquire information about the events and report them to management. On the other hand, I
work the Police, in 2001, the Judicial Police had long abandoned. I had been Head of Office for 3
years of police headquarters in Florence for 4 years and Vice Quaestor Vicar of the police. He had not
carried out a search, which does not prepare a record of arrest, which does not prepare a report of
seizure. I did not even legal instruments. I had lost them along the way because my main activity
became the other, which is to this day. Analysis tasks. I am a police officer who now devotes only read
those heavy press of the Red Brigades, boulders here clandestine communication, these movements
with which they move. The brochure ... I do not know the Aurora, which was the clandestine
communication Sunset Group, the heirs of the second position of the Red Brigades. I'm the one that
collects the information, including intelligence about these phenomena, that analyzes, compares
them, and draw pictures to summarize the situation, rating points, trying to understand what can
happen, what kind of performance can have in the future a specific phenomenon. Here. This is my
business. Analysis tasks. And, look, I have to say, without false modesty, I have obtained some results
in this activity. There is a note with my signature, addressed to all police stations in Italy, which
indicates, in very difficult times, Lioge Nadia Desdemona, Desdemona, Lioge, as belonging to BR
FIGC and suspected involvement in the murder D'Antona , well before the Lioge was hit by a warrant.
Long before then was captured on the train from Arezzo. I had some satisfaction. Finally, a
commendation ceremony in connection with this analysis is the step immediately below a rewarding
view of the State Police and promotion of extraordinary merit, which, however, no one could give me
since I already senior managers. And so, basically, I was in Genoa. I was in charge of information and
transmission of information. Nothing more. I was not consulted, I was asked for opinion about the
operations of PG, even some I could know them and others do not. I knew the search of the Pugs and
I were represented after the results. I did not know why the raid took place in the immediacy of
(Polclì). And this was my situation. The 21 day the G8 summit is being very flat, can be considered,
although with all previous events, can be considered essentially concluded, by way of conclusion,
when the afternoon arrives in Genoa Prefect Barbera accompanied by fellow Florentine which is the
first Director of the Central Directorate of Police Prevention. I was not surprised, President, College,
La Barbera, who were to succeed in Genoa because that day was planned for the arrival of the
Deputy Director dell'UCICOS ie Quaestor Berrettoni for which I have even booked the hotel room, not
could come to Genoa as it had been hijacked in a hurry to Ancona where there were issues for the G8
protesters who were disembarking from a ferry. La Barbera came, because I was not surprised.
However, arriving La Barbera, me, basically, I felt relieved. I felt comfortable. For me, my G8 was over.
My contact person, who I had assigned specific tasks, was present in Genoa. It was appropriated, in
my opinion, the tasks I had delegated his own. It is with this spirit that I get on the evening of 21 in the
office of Quaestor, to summit now essentially completed, I get on because there is Barbera. To him, at
that moment, I am more like the relationship ... With ... A kind of companion, with a form of assistance,
with a courtesy not a specific role ... A delegation received by him. The delegation was whether the
shooting. In the office of the commissioner so many people. Many officials, higher degrees by the
police, and I if I'm there, quietly in the background, for me my G8 is over, Barbera is on site. I think
that La Barbera, sooner or later he'll go to dinner and I'll go with the restaurant. Comes the news of
this patrol attacked, do not warn you .... ... They make you a visit, telephone contacts are made of,
speak of a search under Article 41. President, I look at it, I remember that I did not ... I was not even
physically present at all these stages. I remember that I was tired and went to the bathroom to wash
my face, I remember that I went out to smoke a cigarette because, unfortunately, are a pretty heavy
smoker, remember that ... I started playing with the phone's ringer to Florence which was a nice thing
because it had a ring with a Neapolitan song and tried to change, without succeeding. Here. I was
there, but basically, I felt very disengaged compared to the situation. When La Barbera is the second
room, under this constraint accompanying ed'assistenza I also went to see him. It performs this
meeting, I expect, I think, I hope that La Barbera finished what he wants to go to dinner but no. I
understand he wants to go there. Of course, this, in reality, I consider it strange, frankly, because in
those, a few months now, 5, 6, months that I served as a Ministerial Adviser at the Directorate of
Prevention Added, I realized that the center line was to have consistent and accurate flow of
information but without any personal involvement in situations of the Judicial Police. It had never
happened before. However, I compared this to the decision taken by others of the search in this
school ... I did not see profiles of legitimacy. I do not believe to be responsible for ... to raise any type
of evaluation. La Barbera was, if he wanted to make an assessment if he did. But I think that even if
La Barbera had not been there in his absence and if someone had asked me, John Luperi opinion,
something that had never happened before, not during the previous days, but I what I would do? I
contacted La Barbera, I would have taken his instructions and I would have just reported. This was my
area. No one has ever asked for opinions, no one has ever asked me consultations on operations of
the Judicial Police. Operations, among other things, in my ... I like to say? I do not say neglect, but, in
short, little attention even if you do not like someone, I can not exclude it, I do not know if anyone has
distributed specific roles with respect to that job that was going to do. I felt that all went according to
the normal pattern. That is to say, the department had to enter in this building and the officers of PG,
DIGOS and Mobile, the search operation, but as it is in the logic of events. Not having heard no one
who had given indications of a different kind, do not exclude that have been made, I had done, she
normality based on my experience, this type of evaluation. And then I understand that there Barbera
want to go but, look, I do not even ask to accompany him. I realize that my role as a carer and care,
however, requires it to me. I understand there is also Fiorentino with him and then, among other
things, it is asking me the car and the driver, so I go. Here we go. La Barbera, Luperi, Fiorentino, with
the driver's car service. It comes, it is evening, night, on top of a steep street where you parked the
car and begins to follow the road downhill towards the school building that is on our left. My memory is
that passing along this road, shortly after, on the right ... On our left we see a young man, an Italian,
held down by a police officer. He was detained on the ground that this is not the same perquotendolo
or handcuffed. He was detained on the ground. I, frankly, I thought I saw ... but the fact I have not
seen the prequel and at that moment I thought that the intervention was legitimate, can not think that
there had been an active behavior on the part of that subject, which was held on the ground, which
had motivated behavior by the agent and retention of Public Safety, I remember, among other things,
in plain clothes with a bib. It goes on, in the meantime there was great confusion and I get lost is that
Fiorentino La Barbera. I remember the gate is closed, I remember the van with the intervention by the
department to force the gate, I remember entering the ward and that leverage the shields and that
seems to have difficulty opening the door of the school and the My position, in the dark, with the
glasses I wear, unfortunately, for many years, I have the feeling of seeing objects flying from the top.
And then this feeling is substantial, indirect, later confirmed when, entered the yard, I find Fiorentino,
Fiorentino colleague, I find him, and my question makes me see the pieces of marble or plaster that
were on the ground. Eh ... I do not know if he saw it fall, if he had been told, but I (inaudible): "Look,
look. Look here. " Pieces of marble and plaster. Aspect of the building is completely, at least the first
floor, is illuminated and opened the door and enter. Within this building and the scene that presents
itself to me is about forty people sitting on the ground guarded by police personnel. Some complain,
some who have seen the wounds, but not at this time ... I do not feel part of a special alarm in relation
to people I see there. Among other things, is a very dynamic scene. There are people who go there
are people who come. I can not pause to look at those who sat alone on the ground. And this ... I
remember, I remember this. I have this memory of this crowded room, and partly because of these
sitting on the ground and partly to Police personnel that goes up and down, both in uniform and in
civilian clothes. I climb on the first floor and not go further because the first floor, the darkness, I see
once a person lying on the ground in a large patch of blood and this worries me. Run down ... have
been called asking for help. I assure you on this staff that goes up and down that relief is called.
Among other things, President, throughout this scene waving, very busy in this scene where I place
the detainees in the gym, at first I do not remember seeing those large patches of blood that are then
documented. I, at this point, I do not exclude, can not be excluded, you may not remember me or
were in part, as it were, hidden by the occupants who were sitting on them, unfortunately, I can,
however, think that in the next step the transport of the wounded who were upstairs and were,
essentially, gathered on the ground floor and then bring them out, you have created the stains of
blood that I initially I did not notice. So, this was the case. Could I realize at that moment, having seen
the consequences I have not seen the speech, I saw what was ... What I was photographed in front,
albeit in a dynamic way, but certainly I had seen what had happened before. I might have knowledge
that an intervention was unlawful, that there was an obvious disproportion between the violence and
the conduct of the occupants, but, in my opinion, at that moment, no. And then I thought that if others
could have evaluated later. They could assess more calmly. It was not up to me. The situation, I must
say, from my memory, because it gradually changes from this school and my recollection, I think from
the upper floors, starting out in a large number wounded and for that I ask tidings to the commander
of the department who is hiding behind an explanation of ... did not know. But see, once they begin to
take root in place of signals exactly the opposite. That is to say in front of so many wounded coming
down to see an agent who claims that he was hurt ... No, it hurt, no. It asserts that an occupant, who
then managed to escape and was unable to identify, has inflicted a stab wound to the chest and who
is saved only for its life-saving jacket that is scratched, and even shows this knife, this weapon
performs the crime. And I, frankly, the fact seemed a peculiar gravity. ... That brings me, although I
and my assumption that the activity was related to the Judicial Police in the remote past, I could not
remember ever being in a situation of this kind, namely that a search is carried out an attempted
murder an agent. It made me almost think that, you know, was part ... The tip of the iceberg ... Of a
total resistance. And not only. As the ground is beginning to gather the items that are found inside the
school: the knives, the clubs, sticks, a mallet. Well, in short, something is beginning to find. Opposite
signs. Opposite signs with respect to issues of concern. Until you get to the apparitions of Molotov
cocktails. Here, on this, Mr. President, allow me a moment to reflect a little 'wider. I, the movie of
Molotov cocktails, that the so-called secret meeting, I saw him for the first time in the interrogation of
July 2003. I honestly do not remember that episode. For me, I had deleted. And I remember the
essentially fragmentary and fleeting. Look, during the interrogation, you see, the writer, me, the
speaker, together with this group of officials with this bag. Then I get a phone call I get away from
them and headed towards the gate. And p.m. that the time had made a reconstruction of events that
seemed related to me say: "But, see, here next." And I show a figurative ... A half-figure of a man who
is perfectly framed, wearing a helmet: "You see. The opposite is the prefect Barbera. She receives a
call from the Prefect of La Barbera. Because if it is next to her? ". I get a call from the Prefect of La
Barbera, really do not understand: "But is it really the prefect of La Barbera? - "And 'La Barbera, the
Prefect, see? Then he sees himself in the next image, when you leave. Because she receives a call
from the Prefect of La Barbera, and even move away instead of going to the Prefect? "- But I just do
not remember. I did not remember the episode, did not remember the extension, could not remember
the huddle, I could not remember the phone call. And even when I try to quell'interrogatorio, as it
were, to meet the PM, which suggests to me: "But perhaps the prefect of La Barbera has passed his
phone to other phones and that she has the bottle in his hand ?. " And I, even I begin to assess
whether this hypothesis to be credible, I felt really, that is, the magazine was highly unlikely in
retrospect. I did not remember. I do not remember. I had fragmentary memories. Then, later, what
came out, it turned out that a more careful reconstruction, it was not the Prefect La Barbera. But if I
had the tidings, the precise memory of that night I said: "Not at all. But that's the canvas .... I call the
Prefect Barbera remember it perfectly, please. But who knows what is there. " It is possible that he
has handed the phone to others. I remember perfectly that phone call. " You do not remember it. So
as not even remember the previous phase. Helped me the movie. And then I'll tell you why. But look at
the same questioning, to say, because, as it were, piecemeal, the weak, the whole affair are my
memories, in the same interrogation the accused moves the scene to the police station and tells me
that there are statements that which I'd participated in the writing of Acts. I say: "Look, this rule it out in
the strongest terms. I have not participated in any acts of writing, I'm interested in absolutely nothing,
no ... no ... I do not think so "-" There's Dr. Gallo reported that while he was editing the record for the
search for Diaz, He was not being present on the sites, turned to the onlookers, including his name is
"-" Rooster? Gallo but I do not know. But how ... "-" No, look, specifically says Gallo. He says he
recognized ... With others, Luperi "-" Look, I never tried to understand what was happening in the
newsroom of the acts of PG. I was not interested "-" Look, Gallo says. " Arrival in my memory
fragmented, there too, trying to please the PM asking: "But, look, but I, assuming I did not put his
hand to the acts of the Judicial Police, but it may be that this has come in the office of Quaestor
Rooster when I was there? Maybe this has crossed the Rooster in the hallway? ". That is, my
memories were fleeting and fragmentary, and explain why. But these fleeting and fragmentary
memories that I put the statement I made during the same interrogation, when I said that when these
bottles appeared, then, on that occasion I discovered, to have improperly withheld, I had received just
before Mortola from the information that these bottles had been seen by him in possession of agents
of the Mobile Unit 2 at the school. The PM ... And this was a vivid memory for me, huh? It was quite
lively. The p.m. keeps telling me: "No. It is not possible because we have a reconstruction. No, it is
possible "-" But you have previous movies? "-" No, but we have statements (reconciled). " Declaration
then, essentially, those that were derived directly from those who illegally, so they had brought the
bottles inside the school. But here, in the end, with this push and pull at the end say: "Yes. O ... O me
has told me immediately before or immediately after. " Change. I'm changing, I find myself changing
versions because I did not remember. My memory, that's true, I had explained during interrogation in
2002. I was interrogated for injuries. Then, fortunately, acquitted. And the prosecutor asked the
Molotov cocktails, and I told them what I remember, I said: "Yes. The Molotov cocktails I've seen.
They were in a bag. I did not know where they were found, we did not know who had. We were in the
backyard. " This was argued as a form of reticence or my lie. Noo! No! that was my memory. And
even seeing the movie, I was not able to add positive factors to remember this, but take note that I
was the one there with the bottles. Even if you think about it, I think that the element of the bag which
he put the bottles I brought. I was the first in saying quell'interrogatorio of May ... in June 2002, the
problem of the bag. But because I have this memory fragmented? Because, look, because that
search, that operation, from my point of view, none of my business. I was not competent, I had no
powers, no officer was PG. The interrogation, however, a point I opened, I lit on a point, because I
think, while I'm sitting there, an interrogation that lasted 8 hours, I think, "Why I go ... I go to the gate?
Who do these bottles? Where to go? It 'true. There I am. I do not remember. But how is this possible?
To those who do? Where do they go? ". And remember. The one I remember. I remember going to the
gate, away from this group, I see a police officer I knew, a police officer who knew me, that was Dr.
Mengoni. I knew her for a prior work experience in Florence. She worked at DIGOS of Florence, I was
at the police headquarters in Florence for many years. And then, what do I do? I remember that. I call
this official, and please keep them because I consider this dangerous ordnance 2. I tell him to put
them in a safe place because I think they are dangerous. Do not tell him to put them into the school.
For me they could put in his car watched by his staff. But also because, you see, from my point of
view, that these bottles were found inside the school on the fifth floor, ground floor, on a terrace or a
courtyard, a courtyard, among others, was closed with chain and that it was necessary to break
through the gate, were related to me the occupants. And the end. Look at that, among other things, if I
... Another piece that I remembered was that all in all, despite not remembering to have handled these
bottles and having proved my quell'interrogatorio not remember when, the other thing I remember is
that though intimately, when I tried these bottles apparsero satisfaction because they are an analyst, I
read documents, I write, but in the end, Police are and always have been. And if a cop is to attend a
raid that resulted in the discovery of objects gives the offense acts, knives and bottles of 2, can not
declare himself dissatisfied. Here, President, College, this is the representation that as I get that night
of events. And in this representation, I begin to mature already there, and perhaps even before the
Molotov cocktails, which was likely the possibility of arrests. And I think that someone talked about it
really. I do not know who. But why? Because there was the stabbing, there was the discovery, there
was ... But who? How many? Why would they be arrested? I do not have their place. But it depended
on me? The same problem of Molotov cocktails, I had the knowledge, attest to the safety of not
having anything in respect of that discovery. They must have others to say where they were found.
They had to be others to tell who they were related. I was an observer of the scenes I saw with
distance because they were not related to me, were not in my competence. Same for the arrests.
When I saw get injured and I saw them together down the people, the young occupants with hands on
head, I thought what he is: some will be arrested because they found elements to arrest them, others
will be to the police station for identification. Among other things, to the police station, was so vague
as my knowledge of the whole affair that I thought were transported to police headquarters and not at
Bolzaneto. What I saw was a search that, and that he also said to Mortola, a search that took place
with staff and ... certainly not homogeneous and not well coordinated. But look at that as I was not PG
officer, I had no coordination tasks with anyone, I was the Ministerial Added Councillor, who had gone
to a place where he did not want to go to accompany the Prefect of La Barbera. I was so in reference
to the apical compartment of the Prefect of La Barbera goes without saying a word. Not just goes
away without telling me, but I also took the car and the driver. If his goodness, he wanted to warn me,
at least, I would have prevented the showing of the bottles in my presence, at least that. Fiorentino
and Guglielmino, the 2, 2 officials of the Central Directorate of Police Prevention, leave without telling
me. Is the image. Is the image we see. They go along with their driver, Ametelli, and disappear. The
same Director of DIGOS, at some point, hurriedly disappears with all his staff. Here. This was
essentially the parameters of the account and authority enjoyed on the spot. A Ministerial Council. So
what have I done? Look, the search and operation of PG I do not because I'm busy I had to deal with.
I had no way to handle it. I did, I tried to make sure that the raid had to do that ... What about the
search might end. I mean, I used to hold the crowd outside, I used to be the means for the wounded, I
asked several times to the commissioner of reinforcements, among other things, it was a rumor, the
Board, President, Word had spread from Genoa were climbing toward the groups of demonstrators
who wanted to implement Diaz clashes with the police: "Send reinforcements. And, look, that is, if he
stopped or arrested, I see them go out and be transported to Police Headquarters, please send the
means to deliver them. " They even asked Singers, Head of the department. I told him: "Look, we do
the holy thing. We remove the men from the media and use the means to resolve this situation. " I
asked for a car for me and to return, and not obtained. And, in fact, I eventually managed to get off
this Diaz and reach the police station, has been one thirty at night, on board a car of one of the
squads together with other 5, not 4, 5 other people I did not know. And where am I going? Arrival at
the police station and go ... I go into the room of the Police, because there was La Barbera, and finally
found my contact, and we all are. We all are. And the first news began to arrive on hospital
admissions. Look, the President, no one there and then felt the reality of what had happened. It did
not seem so serious a matter. I said, "But look, in my opinion, the injuries I've seen so many are
down." But, simultaneously, another reassuring sign: "Yes, but many of the department are those who
have gone to get medicare" - "Ah. Then the wounded are not all on one side? ". Here. This ... this ...
this ... I balance that, however, I was saying ... How? By now very far from done. I had reported in
terms of assistance and, despite all that had passed me in terms of courtesy than the Prefect La
Barbera, and I was waiting in that room that this is decided, since he had skipped the dinner, at least
you decide to go to the hotel. Do not ... I had no intention to deal with the facts of PG. I've said when I
spoke of Gallo. I have not had any contact, no contact with those who were physically preparing acts.
I had no knowledge of the final results of operations. Among other things, La Barbera seemed
unconcerned. He did not ask. I mean, if he had asked me "go a little 'to hear what happens there," I
said I would have probably seen all the events, "Mr. Prefect, please, tell that Fiorentino an officer of
PG of his choice. It reports him with the officers of PG proceeding. Not me ... Officer of PG and PS,
which has to deal with this. " But I have been involved. I knew at 5 am, when, finally, La Barbera
thinks it is time to leave because then La Barbera also had this ability to pull later. It was old-
fashioned. He, if it was not midnight in the office, sipping her grapefruit, did not feel comfortable. For
an hour he was 5. Going on, with Fiorentino and La Barbera and the driver, a meeting hall in La
Mortola, which tells me: "We arrested everyone." All right. I take this news and that's it. Indeed, even I
do not see the minutes of arrest. Here. President, I brought back, and I briefly retraced my experience
that night ugly, ugly. I have not wanted back over and do not want to be interpreted in terms of
cynicism. I made it back over, highlighting what was my vision of the facts. What was my arise with
respect to the facts. What were my skills on the facts, what could I do and what I really did. I, the
President, I am deeply, deeply, deeply saddened by the injuries that ... They went from Diaz. I am
deeply shocked by all the arrests that you have made. I am equally aware that it was written a bad
page, a bad, bad page in the history of the police that night. But look at President, I am aware of not
have written it. I breast innocent, I feel absolutely foreign to the allegations that I have been moved.
President, I am a man who for 30 years, no more than 30 years, almost 33, is the institution. I am a
civil servant and have always been a faithful servant of the state institution. I am a civil servant but
also a man who has great confidence in the justice and a great respect for the Judiciary. And 'why, Mr.
President, I look forward with absolute peace of mind your opinion. I'm done.
CHAIRMAN - Thank you.
DEFENCE - Mr. Di Bugno - The document that was presented in progress ... We did ... I leave it to the
public prosecutor. There we have another copy to the court filing.
CHAIRMAN - Okay. The witness who was scheduled to arrive late in the morning you know if it
arrived? No. It is not yet arrived. Then suspend the waiting heads should arrive, he said, for the
(11:00).
THE WITNESS, AMMONIUM IN ACCORDANCE WITH ART. 497 OF THE CODE OF CRIMINAL
PROCEDURE, THE LAW OF RITUAL FORMULA.
GENERAL ': Paul Elio Capra, born in San Lazzaro (BO), on 23/04/1952, based in Parma.
DEFENSE - MR. IUCN
QUESTION - Hello, Dr. Capra. You will know that we are talking about the facts of the G8 process.
ANSWER - Yes.
Q. - I will ask you some details on the activities performed by her at the time. She, meanwhile, the
night between 20 and 21 July 2001 was in the hospital service, on duty when the raid took place at
the Diaz school facts? (Inaudible) from the Diaz school. Remember?
ANSWER - The night between 21 and 22?
Q. - Yes, the night between 21 and 22.
ANSWER - I have been continuously, as Chief Medical Company of St. Martin in St. Martin, 24 hours
a day from 24 until 19 at night, 22.
Q. - Yes He maintained contacts with other hospitals?
ANSWER - We had contact, occasionally, with the Health Directors of the other hospitals, but we had
an exponent of 118, in the person of Dr. Rufoni, who was physically at the Operations Centre, which I
believe it was located on the premises of Police Headquarters, and was the interface between the
health and the Operations Centre.
Q. - Perfect. Please note, Dr. Capra, if she was able to report on the situation of the wounded to
someone else in filming?
ANSWER - It may be, because that night there was a crowd to the emergency room, both of
parliamentarians, that foreign diplomatic authorities, that of journalists. And, therefore, undoubtedly a
few requests from journalists that night there was. In fact, I remember the journalists who wanted to
enter the emergency room but I stopped him, of course, to protect health care to patients.
Q. - Do you remember in particular that he had spoken with the Honourable Hundred?
ANSWER - Well, I remember showing the card arrived parliamentary asked to log on, I granted him
the right to access, the Honourable Paul Hundred. I remember the Honourable Ramon Mantovani
MEP remember a woman, it seems to me, but I'm not sure the name, the Honourable Masha, and
then I remember, in succession, the U.S. Consul, the Consul of Spain, the Consul of Great Britain
and, telephone contact with the Embassy of Germany from Rome.
Q. - Do you remember, in particular, that now, more or less, she told the Honorable Hundred ...
ANSWER - So: I was at boarding school St. Catherine, St. Martin's interior, because as I said, I have
not moved from St. Martin on the day before, then the start of the G8, then, from 19 pm until 22 at
night, veni warned and remember that the emergency room because I had left the emergency room at
about 22:00, I think, 21:30, 22:00, 22:30, which was quiet, and I was warned that the emergency
department were coming back, were reported by 118, influx of people needing health care. Around
midnight and 20, half past midnight, then I went straight to the emergency room and, in fact, began
then, from there a few minutes, the flow ... The influx of wounded and finish, then, journalists and ...
Some people I was talking a moment ago.
Q. - Here. It remembers what was the situation of the wounded she said Hon Hundred on the
number?
REPLY - But, look, the Honourable Hundred ... I think he arrived around half an hour, 40 minutes after
my arrival. So if I came to the emergency room at midnight and a half, I think the Honourable intone to
one hundred will come less than 10, one o'clock, and, therefore, I reported that I had arrived but the
wounded were arriving 118 all the time because they are sorted in part at the San Martino, in part to
the Galliera in part at Villa Scassi, and, therefore, I reported in terms of number of wounded, arrived in
guidance at that time.
Q. - Do you remember what number they were? Approximately.
ANSWER - When I refer to Mr Hundred, honestly, no. I remember the hours, half past midnight, 2 and
a half, the 118 it sent to St. Martin 27. Of which 20 were later hospitalized, 20 of these, 2 came with a
red code, then code for critical functions Rate. Honestly, as far as I had come from half past midnight,
one o'clock, the Honourable Hundred tentatively reached around that time, it does not, precisely, do
not ...
Q. - So, 27 was the figure of the wounded admitted to his hospital.
ANSWER - That's right.
Q. - Do you remember, by chance, how many others were injured have been admitted to another
hospital, for example at the Galliera, because it seems to me, I think, refer to Mr Hundred ...
ANSWER - Yes, because ... we felt at that moment, I seem to recall, by phone with colleagues or the
medical director of the Galliera Gaslini ... I apologize, Villa Scassi, of course I remember that I kept
contact with the director of 118, Dr. Bermano, because it was the 118, which then, having people on
site, sorted patients in various hospitals. And the 118 it sorted numerically balanced way between San
Martino and Galliera and someone less Scassi at Villa because he was farther away. Patients more
serious, I would say, were referred between San Martino and Galliera. I, however, the data, if I can
watch a personal note at the time, which at the time gave me the 118 ... The 118 gave me to complete
the time slot, 0:30 to 2:30, the 118 serves the entire really care, but is located in Genoa at the San
Martin and, as such, is the structure of St. Martin in effect. That's why referring to me as well as in
terms of relationships with other Health Care Managers. And the assessment that gave me the 118 is
that from 0:30 to 2:30 for the 118 people who had been sent to various hospitals, therefore the events
of the Diaz school, were, in fact: at the San Martin 27, including 20 hospitalized and of these 20, 2
code red at Galliera, 24, of which 7 patients, of these, 1 code red at Villa Scassi, 11, of which 7
patients. So, the band 0:30, 2:30, 118 claimed to have ... I say it, sorted, sent to various hospitals in
the city a total of 62 persons.
Q. - Here. With regard to injuries sustained when she says hospitalized and not hospitalized, more or
less, what parameters are used for the shelter? What kind of injuries were you remember? Mild or ...
REPLY - But ... The most seriously wounded, the 2 code red, had multiple trauma, therefore, cranial,
thoracic and ... The other, of course, away, away, then had lesions less demanding up to 7 those who,
not having particular problems, were medicated and then discharged.
DEFENSE - Attorney IUCN - Okay. No question. Thank you.
CHAIRMAN - Are there other questions from the defense?
DEFENSE - MR. ROMANELLI
Q. - Just one final clarification. And then, of those 62 were discharged immediately it only 7?
ANSWER - No, I apologize. The 62 people were hospitalized a total of 3 hospitals in the city.
Q. - Let assisted on.
ANSWER - Assisted, here. 27 assisted by St. Martin's, including 20 hospitalized. And I is assisted by
the Galliera 24, 7 and 11 patients attended the hospital Sampierdarena, Villa Scassi, including 7
patients.
Q. - So, 20 plus, 7 plus 7, hospitalized?
ANSWER - How?
APPLICATION - 20, plus 7 plus 7?
ANSWER - Yes, then: the 62, 34 hospitalized, it is.
Q. - 34.
ANSWER - So: 20 to St. Martin, 7 and 7 at the Galliera Villa Scassi. The others resigned.
DEFENCE - Mr. Romanelli - thanks.
CHAIRMAN - Any further questions? The prosecutor? None. Civil parties?
CIVIL PARTY - MR. Guiglia
Q. - You have the names of 2 persons in a code red?
ANSWER - No. I, again for these notes, but I think the 118 will have all the details of triage, triage is
the encoding according to the severity code, I have the names of those 27 patients, but there is here
clarification of these were coded as red, because the code is assigned. Here's the name, surname,
nationality, whether they were homes or less and a summary of presenting clinical problems.
Q. - And 'also indicated how many days of hospitalization for each of them?
ANSWER - Well ... No, because there is only ...
Q. - Only the entrance.
ANSWER - The admission to the hospital, yes. The codes are assigned by the triage that depending
on the conditions ... I say? Physiological and vital present or not present, attaches to grow Code
White, Code Green, Code Yellow and Code Red. The red code is the evaluation of situations, you
know? Challenging clinical or body functions that may be potentially compromised in a serious way.
QUESTION - Thank you. I simply ask, do not remember if this document to which you refer, is a
document that she already gave prosecutors a copy or summary is that you?
ANSWER - No. Because I have never been heard by the prosecutor on this ...
Q. - Okay. Ask if you can ...
ANSWER - They are moments ... But the documentation, I believe, the official ...
Q. - The documentation is there. Yes Because it is a summary table, I wondered if we can see where
a moment and get a copy to be produced in order to simply be ... And 'the summary of medical
records that are already on file, but maybe it is a facilitation Court to have them together.
PRESIDENT - I think that what we needed was already declared. Then I'll rest in the various medical
records.
THE CIVIL - Lawyer Guiglia - No further questions. Thank you.
PRESIDENT
Q. - Here. Just a clarification. In all these admissions it was not of people belonging to the Police.
ANSWER - Absolutely not. Of these 27, in fact I have the summary estimate of those days its own
distinct articulation between civilians, police, Carabinieri and Police and journalists, and these were
excluded and all ... Those arriving at the San Martin, here. Then for the Galliera Villa Scassi I have the
numbers but not the membership. As for the San Martin, the numbers I quoted, ie, the 27 hits of which
20 were hospitalized, of these 2 code red, were all exclusively civilians.
REQUEST - Civil. It has not been hospitalized or were also presented for persons belonging to the
police ...
ANSWER - So: in the range from 0:30 to 2:30, free access, Police, Police hits zero, zero access
journalists. There are 4 components of the approaches to the police, carabinieri and a free press, but
in the hours following that, in the remaining time slot of 22 after 2 and a half.
PRESIDENT - After 2:30. Goes well. Thank you. There are other questions? You may go.
REQUESTS INVESTIGATION
DEFENCE - Mr. Romanelli - President, if you think ... I came into possession of the medical certificate
of Mazzotti. Please note that the heads of the Police? As I posted ... I was not able to identify the
meaning of the word aloof, however, that during this gap was temporarily in Santo Domingo. I tried to
figure out if the service or not, but ... I was opposite a polite refusal, and this gentleman, I make the
introduction, is the only one in the course of that night on the Diaz school was present with the core of
the Seventh Doctor Singers and is the only one who has not been investigated, and, therefore, is the
only one of which we are able to do investigations by defense counsel, taking the deposition, which
we then produced for the simple reason that not doubt at all of you carrying to testify. And, therefore,
we are now faced with this situation of a person who is abroad, and a person abroad was attacked, it
would seem from the documentation, was attacked after an argument, seems to understand this more
or less speaking Spanish or Portuguese, or by a person who was bothering his wife Mazzotti. The
result is an argument and Mr. Mazzotti was shot in the head, the back, with a body, obviously,
significantly blunt because the bill has created a skull with admission to the hospital with a report of at
least 50 days. The person who assaulted Mr. Mazzotti has been arrested and there is also a copy of
the order of arrest. So, I produrrei this certification and, having deposited the original in recent days in
the office of the PM, I also gave copies to the plaintiffs, pursuant to ask the CPP to acquire 512 the
deposition of this made this Mazzotti Defender. There are no deadlines for submission of the dossier
of the Ombudsman. The article is not about 391 g terms. This investigation may well fall even further
in the investigation and the preliminary investigation at the preliminary hearing, under 430, and having
then filed this assumption test, I would ask the Court to obtain a copy of this deposition. I would like to
point out that the Law does not ignore the Defender, which is divided in assessing the time of
unpredictability when it occurs, or even at the time of the deposition is taken and when the deposition
was not taken c 'was no reason to doubt that it absolutely could present, when the situation occurs,
you are experiencing something that is usually unexpected and unpredictable. I would note that the
Court had read the ruling and was even considered unpredictable than the nomads at some point go
away from where they are allocated. So, I think there are any situations in order to acquire this
deposition. And I give a copy of the certificate to the Public Ministry (inaudible). The prognosis is 50
days, unless the Court does not want to, I do not know, send him a hypothetical healing, recovery and
return.
CHAIRMAN - There are ...
Prosecutor - No, Mr. President, there is another hearing next week investigation. I reserve the right to
express.
DEFENCE - Mr. Romanelli - Even (inaudible) next week in addition to the Public Prosecutor.
THE CIVIL - Lawyer - Even the plaintiffs.
CHAIRMAN - Okay. Then at the next hearing decide whether to acquire these statements.
DEFENSE - Attorney IUCN - A question, Mr. President, very short, but of little relevance. Sarro had as
a defense, when there was evidence the request, called for the production of a memorable film, so
called, which was a series of movies that are stored on the file of the trial, and were the ones that
interest us with regard to the position Sarro and even Mortola. As this disc was made for the
preliminary hearing and contains statements to the source that are outdated now, obviously, as a
matter of fairness it also against the other Parties, it produrrei a new one with the elimination of these
parts were written statements. I was wondering if you can produce it in the discussion or if I have to
produce before the closure of the investigation hearing. If there is no opposition from the Public
Ministry and the Civil Party produrrei in discussions because times are tight. Otherwise, tell the
technician if he can make me.
Prosecutor - No opposition.
PRESIDENT - There was no opposition? I think not.
DEFENSE - Attorney IUCN - It 'the same ...
PRESIDENT - If you have already acquired.
DEFENSE - Attorney IUCN - E 'already acquired. This is just to remove some parts. Thank you
President.
PRESIDENT - But there was something else?
PROSECUTOR - Yes The prosecutor wanted to produce material that had already been required to
obtain from the Court that it is called dubbing of the contents of Betacam. It is, however, a very
compressed copy, because he's a cd, not a DVD, and we're gearing up, we, in fact, already given to
that effect, an assignment to a technician who will pour in uncompressed form of a DVD within the
next week. Therefore, we anticipate that this production will follow that of uncompressed video. I also
wanted to give notice to the parties that we do from now on deposit in our office of waste books,
waste books of some of the intercepted telephone communications in any other proceedings involving
Dr. Colucci, for which there was notice of investigation findings to available to the Parties because it
can take cognizance reserving an instance of production, ex-507, but we do not at this time.
DEFENSE - Attorney IUCN - I apologize. A clarification. It also investigated the process that sees Dr.
Mortola and Dr. De Gennaro?
PROSECUTOR - Exactly. Yes, the procedure for perjury. Okay. Thank you.
DEFENCE - Mr. Romanelli - I just wanted to ask what is the cd contents?
Prosecutor - We produce significant because we believe that this fragment comes from the operator
Rai movie Chiucconi Fabrizio, who was present and is also seen again in other movies in the evening
the raid at the Diaz school, which had never been acquired by the prosecution because he was in
possession of the operator who delivered him when he was heard to summary information
supplementary investigations. It is a vision of the scenes that we have repeatedly seen, but from
which for the first time you see the hurt (Marc Ovel) on the right of the gate, when during the rescue
operations to be in school. We consider it relevant to this.
CHAIRMAN - Okay.
ORDER The President shall adjourn the hearing for the rest of April 2, 2008.

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