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This presentation was given at the October 2007

“Lunch N Learn” at Ellison Technologies in
Charlotte.
The presentation is meant to be viewed with the
narration and detailed explanation of the
presenter.

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 Part 1 : Grasping the “Basics”

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 1.00±0.01

2.00±0.01

The Part
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1.01

0.99
1.00±0.01

2.00±0.01

The Tolerances
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Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
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1.99 2.01

The Tolerance Zone

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Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
0.99

1.99 2.01

The Question… Which Part is Better?

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Part 1 Center

0.99

1.99 2.01

Part 1 is within the tolerance zone, but…

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Part 2 Center
0.99

1.99 2.01

Part 2 is closer to the Nominal Center and will

assemble easier than Part 1
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 How can we set up a tolerance
band that fairly and functionally
judges the position of features?

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1.01

Part 1 Center
Part 2 Center
0.99

Use a Circle instead of a Square!

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 Definition Time!!!
The result of a True Position Characteristic
is the diameter of a circle, centered on the
basic dimensions from the specified
datums, that contains the actual center
point.

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 Mathematically Speaking….

True Position = ∆X2 + ∆Y2 *2

∆X = Difference from Basic X value from Actual X

value
∆Y = Difference from Basic Y value from Actual Y
value

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 Diametral Zone Tolerance
True Position
Ø 0.01 A B C

No Tolerances A Primary,
Secondary,
Tertiary Datums
1.00

2.00
B
C
New Part Print w/True Position
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 Ø 0.01 A B C

1.00

2.00
B
C

Here’s an Example Calculation

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 Ø 0.01 A B C

A Actual
Measurements:
X=2.003
1.00
Y=1.004

2.00
B
C

CAN WE SHIP IT?

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 Actual X = 2.003 Actual Y=1.004
Basic X=2.000 Basic Y=1.000
∆ X = 0.003 ∆ Y = 0.004

TP = 0.0032+0.0042 * 2 or
TP = 0.009+0.016 *2 or
TP = 0.025 *2 or
TP = .005 * 2 so…..

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 True Position = 0.010

Hole Center
0.005 from
Nominal
True Position
Result = 0.010

Nominal Center at
X=2, Y=1 from
Basic Dimensions

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 Ø 0.01 A B C

A Our True
Position is within
the
1.00 Specification….
Barely!
2.00
B
C
YES, WE CAN!
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 Let’
’s do this very example in
Calypso and see if the math
works out!

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 This is a
Theoretical feature
with X Y
coordinates placed
exactly at 2.003
and 1.004.

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 Ø 0.01 A B C

1.00

2.00
B
C

Same Print, this time a “Real” Part

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 On a “Real” Part:

X= 1.9619
Y= 1.0081

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 Actual X = 1.9619 Actual Y = 1.0081
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
∆ X = -0.0381 ∆ Y = 0.0081

TP = -0.03812+0.00812 *2 or
TP = 0.0015+0.0001 *2 or
TP = 0.0016 *2 or
TP = .0390 * 2 so…..

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 True Position = 0.0779

Hole Center
0.0390 from
Nominal

True Position
Nominal Center at Result = 0.0779
X=2, Y=1 from
Basic Dimensions
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 Explanation Time!!!
The GD&T standard specifies that the
FUNCTIONAL center be used for
calculations. This means for a hole, that
the Maximum Inscribed fit be used.
Calypso does this automatically!

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 Let’
’s see how this changes
things.

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 Watch out for
Outliers!

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 Now that we have
that sorted out,
ONE MORE TIME!

X= 1.9504
Y= 1.0104

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 Actual X = 1.9504 Actual Y = 1.0104
Basic X = 2.000 Basic Y = 1.000
∆ X = -0.0496 ∆ Y = 0.0104

TP = -0.04962+0.01042 *2 or
TP = 0.0025+0.0001 *2 or
TP = 0.0026 *2 or
TP = .0507 * 2 so…..

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 True Position = 0.1014

Hole Center
0.0507 from
Nominal

True Position
Nominal Center at Result = 0.1014
X=2, Y=1 from
Basic Dimensions

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 ONE MORE THING…..

You might say :

“So if True Position only gives me distance from center,

how do I know how to make my offsets?”
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Turn on Additional Position
Result in the Characteristic
Settings Editor.

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 You’ve got Questions, We have answers.

Understanding True
Position
Part 1 : Grasping the “Basics”

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