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What then, Socrates?

soc.: Now I'll tell you. Know well that I do not distinctly know what

in the world this persuasion from rhetoric is of which you are speaking,

and what matters the persuasion is about-not but that I have a

suspicion, at least, of what I think you are saying it is and what things

it is about. But I shall nonetheless ask you what in the world you say

453c this persuasion from rhetoric is, and what things it is about. On account

of what do I, who have a suspicion, ask you and not say myself?

Not on account of you, but on account of the argument, in order

that it may go forward so as to make what is being talked about as

manifest as possible to us. Now consider if I