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 REPORT
(A dialogue between HOST and X FOREIGN MINISTER HINA RABBANI KHAR)

Host:
We still struggle. We ask the question would you want. Fighting against NATO in Afghanistan.
The Haqqani network. Western leaders believe it's based across the border in Pakistan and
may even to some extent be protected there. Last week the United States designated the
group as a terror organization and pushed through a resolution at the U.N. targeting it for
global sanctions. But if you ask Pakistan's foreign minister she'll tell you Pakistan has nothing
to do with the group and resents the idea that her country is not doing enough to fight
extremists.

Hina Rabbani:
Six thousand soldiers. It has cost us 30000 civilians. So nobody dares my nation or my country
that we are a country which does not take this problem seriously.

Host:
The ability of extremists to keep fighting in Pakistan for their agenda was highlighted recently
when a schoolgirl was shot in the head by the Taliban because of her campaign to bring
education to girls again. Many wonder why the government has not done more to protect our.

Hina Rabbani:
Was there never any sense amongst the government that you'd let this girl down the
government. At least three different occasions offered to provide extra security or security.
This is a huge wakeup call.

Host:
All of these issues serve to color the perception of Pakistan abroad and domestically the
country is also facing stark challenges. Millions of people are living in poverty and at the same
time the country is spending fortunes on a strong defense that includes a large arsenal of
nuclear weapons. Why is Pakistan spending so much money on making nuclear weapons.
Today on Talk to Al Jazeera a conversation with the foreign minister of Pakistan. Madam
Foreign Secretary thank you very much indeed for talking to us. Pleasure. The Haqqani
network has just been. once again passive specifically targeted by Washington. Your
relationship with the Haqqani network. If I can put it that way. Sure is an interesting one. What
do you think this new State Department directive will involve. How do you think it might be
effective or otherwise.

Hina Rabbani:
First of all on the on the assumption that our relationship with the Haqqani Network is an
interesting one. Whatever the word interesting means or entail.

Host:
Well I hope. Let me just let me just not operate on that.
Hina Rabbani:
Let me just give you a few clues to how interesting that relationship is when the State
Department decided to designate the Haqqani network as an FTL. We said they are not
Pakistani nationals there are foreign nationals. And if the US so desires to do so it is a call that
the US must make. or should make. and the people to consult would be the Afghan
government in the same way when within the U.N. Sanctions Committee this issue came up.
We did not use the many tools which are available to any country to use to come in the way
of this designation specific of specific names of the organization itself. Now what does that
say. That says that the interesting relationship happens to be no relationship whatsoever right
now. if some of these elements are distasteful any any element or any group or any entity
which resorts to violence whether it is inside Pakistani territory or outside Pakistani territory
can have more support from the Pakistani state. And I want to be categorical about this. I want
to be categorical about this because I feel that the entire narrative on Pakistan today the entire
hostile narrative on Pakistan today is built on the fact that after the Soviet invasion of
Afghanistan Pakistan played a specific role. I do not want the world to forget. that Pakistan
may have been the frontline state then but Pakistan was not the sole country which was
playing that role and promoting the Mujahideen and allowing them to use arms and allowing
them to even worse armed them with the mindset which we have not been able to get out of
our country and of our region. You know very well that there were many countries within the
region that I'm here today. There are many countries in the West many large countries who
were supportive of the same you know the same deals. Right. Can I can I can I stop you there
because I just want to complete by saying that therefore you know associating us the US or
Pakistan specifically when any of these groups would be an unfair judgment call which was
not what I was trying to do.

Host:
What I'm trying to get from you still is a sense of. Let me put it very simply do you welcome
what the US has announced about the Haqqani network and will you cooperate with their
imperatives as I did just answer.

Hina Rabbani:
We have been cooperating. We have been cooperating in the U.N.. We have been cooperating
as I just said Well not about you.

Host:
You said as you said you didn't you didn't use any of the tools that were open to you.

Hina Rabbani:
I said that's not a ringing endorsement a ringing endorsement is that you will if you're not
coming in the way of something What is that. Is that not a a Please go ahead and do they.
They're not Pakistani nationals. Please make that clear. So Pakistan has no role to play in that
clearly.

Host:
Do you have any role to play against the Haqqani network and what we had a role to play.

Hina Rabbani:
I have said on any entities which resort to violence inside Pakistan. Pakistan has suffered
more than 300 suicide bombings. I can't say anything about that. I am being as specific as is
required. I am being specific in saying that any group that resorts to violence has not been
and will not be supported by the Pakistani state. And please remember that Pakistani state
and Pakistani citizens and Pakistani people are people who have suffered at the hands of
violence and terrorism and extremism. So we are a country which is well aware of those
challenges. We just want everybody to wake up to the challenges and not resort to you know
sort of looking for a for a shoulder to put the blame on but to engage in serious dialogue to
see how can the root of this scourge of terrorism from this region. And we feel we should all
do much better if we all put our energy to it.

Host:
Ok. Now Malala Yousafzai she we are told was targeted for having dreams but I suspect you
had when you were her age and you have spoken before about your desire to see young
Pakistani women having the opportunity to achieve what you have achieved. How does it
make you feel when there is a force in your country that is so powerful and apparently so out
of control that girls like Malala are shot and given the country. The exact opposite message
that you hoping to give.

Hina Rabbani:
I think what I felt was what any other Pakistani felt barring a few exceptions. There was a lot
of anger. There was a lot of disgust and there was a lot of we will not be on the wrong side of
this. You know the way I look at it is that what happened to Malala is the first of all that the girl
herself. I think what she represents is something which is pure what she represents is a future
of Pakistan that we all aspire towards. But she had the courage to stand up for that future.
She was brave enough even as a girl child to stand up for that future and for that she has our
respect. I salute and our heroic worship of the entire nation is there is there only guilty in a
court can I. Can I finish the first statement or the answer to your first question. So that is clearly
something which was across the board the entire Pakistani nation felt that now we are not a
country and we are not a nation which has ever you know hoodwinked the problem that we
face and the problem or the scourge of terrorism is something which has cost us 6000 soldiers.
It has cost us 30000 civilians. So nobody. My nation or my country that we are a country which
does not take this problem seriously and nobody does my nation to be guilty of not standing
up to this huge problem because we are a country which has had the courage sometimes
single handedly sometimes being blamed by the rest of the world to be supporting terrorism
while we're actually fighting terrorism to. I was using the word guilty and therefore it is
important that we look at this particular issue in India correct in the correct perspective. So
what she represents is a brighter hopeful future for Pakistan it is said she was a girl who had
the courage to stand up and what they are trying to do is in the militant groups are trying to
impose is the opposite of the future that she hopes for Pakistan. So I think in the reaction that
you saw from the Pakistani nation you saw a complete acceptance of the future that Malala
Yousafzai represents or the vision that Malala Yousafzai represents and a complete rejection
of the other vision which is trying to be imposed on us. And may I also share with you the fact
which is not well known to many Western US. And the fact is that despite the nuisance value
the religious political parties also have never even gotten the you know a modest award so to
speak or a modest representation in the Parliament unplanned as they have been supported
by you know one entity or the other. So if you look at Pakistani mainstream politics it is
consumed by people who are moderate. It is it is it is always supportive of people who are
moderate. So what this shows is that it is the fringe which must not be allowed to represent
Pakistan.
Host:
This is an incredibly big fringe isn't it. I mean the Taliban is a very powerful force within your
country. Half of your country and it was it was it was it was torn area seems to be outside of
your control. It's not merely a fringe it's a major problem. The reason I use the word guilty was
was was there never any sense amongst the government that you'd let this girl down. She
was a public figure. She was well-known as an outspoken critic of the Taliban. She was known
to be under threat. And yet they managed to get her with no retribution and no comeback at
all.

Hina Rabbani:
Sure. First of all I think we have to be very careful in. In the United in how we frame it because
when you say half your country in Waziristan I hope you do know that 700000 square
kilometers is what is all of Pakistan and Waziristan would not be even a single percentage
point within that.

Host:
So I understand your terrorism problem is not now in Waziristan nor is nor is the religious
extremism I need nor is it confined to Pakistan.

Hina Rabbani:
No it is not confined to Pakistan.