I'M really excited about this video guys if you believe what Intel tells you you'd think

that this core I 999 hundred

K. Eight core processor, is a ninety five watt CPU. While if you believe what AMD tells you you'd believe that this
rise in seven thirty eight hundred x, also eight core processor, is a one hundred and five watt CPU. So then, clearly,
if AMD's number is higher and intel's number is lower, but that rise in cpu. It'S gonna run hotter and kick more
heat out into your room right, actually, not necessarily so as it turns out. There is no industry standard way that we
can all agree on of reporting the power consumption or the vps game server TDP of a computer processor. So
those numbers that I was talking about before well, it turns out it's up to third parties in the media to investigate
who is representing their product realistically and who is painting a rosier picture than reality right. Let'S do it
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red with our eight core CPUs installed to keep everything equal, we're running our memory at the same speed
between them and they're. Each running, a fresh, install right, yes, fresh OS, install on a PCI Express gen3 drive.
Remember guys. Intel doesn't have a consumer PCIe Jen for chipset. Yet now here's the tricky part measuring the
total thermal energy output of a CPU is not as simple as just strapping the same cooler onto them running
prime95 and then recording the temperature because of differences in dye size. Ihs solder, quality software
reporting, accuracy, etc. It'S actually possible for a processor to be outputting more heat while registering a lower
temperature or vice-versa. So what Anthony's been working on is a way to instead capture as much of the heat
from our processors as possible into a known thermal mass then measure the rise in temperature of our thermal
mass, rather than the reported temperature of our CPU. Now, before we can do this, we have to prepare a couple
of things: normally you'd, never insulate the back of your motherboard and its power delivery components. That'S
a great recipe for premature failure, but we want as much of the heat going into our thermal mass to be from the
CPU as possible. So sorry, motherboard times two. We also need to insulate our mint julep cup. Here that way, we
can plot the change in the water temperature over time without worrying so much about the heat that we are
losing to the surrounding environment through the metal walls of our cup. Not all containers have insulated walls
like the LTTE, water bottle, which keeps your drink cold on a hot day, LTT store calm. Now, let's take a look at how
we're mounting our thermal capture device to the CPU honestly, even compared to zip ties. This is going to be
pretty sketchy, but we need to make sure that we could see the coolant inside while maintaining the same
mounting pressure on both systems and a weighted piece of glass ticked both of those boxes. Now you guys
might be wondering if all we need is a thermal mass. Why use water? Why not just put a big hunk of metal with an
embedded thermal probe on top of the CPU, and the answer, of course, is that that's not nearly as much fun to
look at enter. Thermochromic ink this stuff comes from LCR Hall crest and it's called Chrome again and what it
does is once the water reaches 80 degrees Celsius, the ink will begin to change color from white to black. Basically,
whoever hits that point. First, it's outputting the most heat, since this is permanent, we'll have to be sure to add
the same amount for each run. We didn't bring a syringe, so do you want to just pour a capful yeah sure I can try
goes whoa getting a little mixed with our K type probe. That'S what those are for right, yeah, we'll go ahead and
don't get cut, so we've got just about 300 milliliters of water in there and then our ink probably puts us
somewhere in the neighborhood of about 325 s about a tablespoon of ink. So let's go ahead and turn on the
machine. That sounds like an idea: uh-huh, not sure if it's a good idea, all right, let's fire up our thermal probe
here, 10 degrees, so you guys might have noticed that our coolant is pretty chilly. That'S because we put it in the
fridge before we started to make sure we had a little bit of time to boot up the system before we needed to start
the test. So the plan is to hit go on blender here at exactly 22 degrees Celsius. So I'm gonna go ahead and hit it
with with a load here to try and heat up our water a bit okay. So we ran into a slight problem the instant we fire
up, any kind of CPU intensive load. Our processor temperatures go to thermal throttling territory boom, which
means that we are not getting the full power out of the chip, because it's holding itself back. We unfortunately
selected a stainless steel vessel for our water and dye solution, but no worries the good folks at madrenas. Have
us covered they shipped us, these weird camping cups and Alex found one. So we are going to convert this to be
our cooler now [, Music ]. Do you think it's steel? Do we have a magnet that won't tell us if it's stainless steel wish?
Us luck, so good news and bad news Alex good news. Is I removed the bottom of the cup? The bad news is. There
is a whole lot of space in between the one bottom and the other more a different bottom cup number. Two. There
we go okay, so after a bit of milling alex has gotten us this little disc here and, as you can see, it's got a little bit of
a cutout here on the inside, and we can do is just slot our cup right into that mix. This up put it around the edge
and it should be watertight within about 20 minutes. I never said I was good at arts and crafts. I am measuring out,
wait where is this Milky or what it was in the cap, so we're back 300 mils of what? Oh wow, we kind of need more
now, so we're back 400 milliliters of water. Later we have a slightly larger vessel this time. Let'S use this cap this
time. Let'S put on some fresh thermal compound, I see you just cleaned it off. Okay, it's a little on the heavy side,
but should be okay and flippity floppity doesn't fit. Please tell me it doesn't interfere with anything. Well, there's
only one way to find out: let's fire, this mess up. Are we missing anything aside from like the probe glass? Yeah
aside from that mmm, no, I just want to know if at thermal throttles well we're not gonna have the mounting
pressure. Oh that's fine! I can just push on it. Show me the blender that looks like good news. Cpu temperature is
actually reasonable. 35 is way too high, yep thermal throttling. I don't think it's making proper contact. Oh that's!
Fine! I can just push on it all right. I sanded off the side. Let'S see if it's a contact error or if we just have a from
problem. So it looks like it actually is working, but we just need a little bit of coolant flow within the container and
that dramatically affects our CPU temps and then once it's moving, the heat from the CPU causes more convection
yeah. We are turbo lling to 4.0 4.1 gigahertz across all cores right now, so we may be in business. Although I have
a new problem that I identified, if we actually wait until the coolant reaches 80 degrees, no matter which CPU it is,
it will have long thermal throttles before then right right. So I was trying to avoid this, but we are just going to do
this. The simple way with a very short loop we've got a reservoir, a pump and a CPU block, no radiator, no fans
because remember we want our water to absorb the heat and we want to track the changes in temperature over
time now we do introduce the variable Of our pump actually giving off some heat into the loop, but given how
significant our CPU is as a heat source, I don't expect it to cause too many problems with. That said, I predicted
lots of things today that weren't going to cause too many problems, and yet here we are so, are we going to run
the reservoir without the cap on? Yes, why don't we start with five hundred mils? That should be a pretty good
amount for this loop. Actually, that might be too much 400 mils. Here we go ah crap. Is it leaking? No, it's just
daun a lot of water, so that was what 250 mils it's a cup. Yes, something went right. So let's do a quick, Cinebench,
r20 run. Our coolant temperature is sixteen point, five degrees, which means we've still got time. We are turbo in
over four gigahertz for at about four point. Two and our hottest core is about 51 degrees right now. So this is
exactly the behavior that we are looking for, so we've decided we're gonna formally start our graphs once the CPU
hits a hundred percent load and it begins actually completing the render so that put us at it somewhere in the
neighborhood of around twenty. Eight degrees, so now all we got to do is strap in and see how long this takes
before it gets hot. So it's been about five minutes of actual render now and we're up to about 43 degrees. We
need we need another 35 degrees and then theoretically, this will turn black you're pretty sick. Unfortunately, we
only have about another 25 degrees to go before we thermal throttle, so it might go a little slower for that last ten
degrees yeah. What'S it currently sitting at seventy-five ish? What'S the clock? 4.2. 4.1. 4.2. That'S a little high! I
think it's multi-core enhancement enabled oh well. We were planning to run it twice anyway. Weren'T we yeah, oh
wait! Well hold on a second. We were chit-chatting there and well this color change dye sucks because it starts
changing colors at like 60 degrees. Well, then, unless it got hotter in the blog, so why don't we just ride this out to
a hundred degrees when the CPU starts really thermal throttling and then we'll just plot it yeah. So we are on the
brink of thermal throttling. Now our coolant is at 68 degrees. Core number two is at 99 degrees, we're actually still
running at 3.8 to 3.9 gigahertz, so pad respect for the Hat. I guess, but we're gonna have to shut this experiment
down pretty quickly. Of course, though, we would be remiss if we didn't wait until we got another point three
degrees on here, and then we can let it end. So we made yet another observation this time. It was that the settings
that our CPU is running at weren't really stock and they weren't really multi-core enhancement either. What the!
Why is this a greater volume of water? This time I could have sworn it was. Oh wait did I say 350 mils last time. I
might have missed a hundred mils there. Let me put in exactly 100 mils and see if that makes up the difference.
Nope that weren't it absorbs our my pretty. This is not gonna be in the video okay. So a couple of rough things
happened yesterday. Did this system just hard reset? What all right? So we learned a lot yesterday we got this cool
graph of our water temperature over time and all that good stuff, but even just on Intel alone. That'S not the
complete story, because yesterday we were running the default. Behavior so Intel's stock with multi-core
enhancement, disabled, but a multi-core enhancement allows your CPU to boost for a longer period of time. So
for this run here we have enabled multi-core enhancement and we're gonna go ahead and hit it again. Once we
hit 22° right number two here we go we're going to four point. Seven four point: eight ish seems good we're not
expecting a difference here, though, we're just expecting it to stay at its maximum turbo frequencies for longer
come on baby by blending me six. Seven, eight nine there. It goes twenty seven point: five, okay, good enough, all
right, let's see how she heats up now. This is weird we're only about a minute into our render and our slowest
course are already sitting 4.1 gigahertz, that's not very enhancing. Is it? No? That'S like slightly behan still, I don't
remember seeing 4.1 at this stage of the game last time. Around know 4.1 didn't happen until like. I want to say
ten minutes in okay. So, as you can see, our liquid turned dark, and that means that this test is done. It hit 69
degrees, like our last one at about 16 16 and a half minutes for now it looks like multi-core enhancement, did
nothing more than increase the thermals weird. Now I just need to take my ice water fill it up and fire it up. We are
using XMP. I figure that with AMD CPUs anyway, the performance of the CPU and therefore how hot it gets. Its
gonna be broadly be determined by the speed of the RAM. So if we use 2133 memory or something like that, it
might not be a fair test. It'S actually a little funny. It'S not warming up as fast as the Intel CPU did so at 21.5. I'M
gonna stop prime95 switch back over to blender and then, when it hits 22, I'm gonna start it off 4.1 gigahertz and
only 42 degrees on our coolant. That seems pretty similar actually similar. Now that I look at it yeah, but it seems
to be tracking a little bit lower a little lower, so we're gonna need the full length of our run in order to find out
whether or not AMD is actually outputting less heat here. Okay, so we're almost 11 minutes into our test at this
point, our water is currently at about 56 degrees Celsius. Now, if we check in see where we were at 11 minutes on
our 9700 K, it was actually 58. So we're still a couple degrees colder. It'S starting to look like the the processors are
separating we're at 63 and a half degrees and 15 minutes in intel was at 66 degrees. So it looks like even given
AMD's higher rated TDP, their CPU is actually outputting less heat. One thing that we probably won't graph just
because that wasn't really the point of the video, but that we thought was interesting at the end of the test. Intel
had rendered around 1,300 tiles and change, whereas even now, almost complete on the AMD side of things.
We'Ve done nearly nineteen hundreds. So that's uh! That'S that's rough! That'S rough! What'S our current time at
our current time is at twenty minutes and 23 seconds. Okay, we're at sixty. Seven point two degrees. So, yes, our
AMD processor did output less heat. So then, why is it that our results seemed to differ from what both AMD and
Intel state on the packaging? The answer is that it comes down to how the two companies measure TDP Intel
measures TDP based on recommendations for cooling solutions, assuming the processor will run at its base
frequency. In other words, their number is intended as a guideline that system integrators can use to avoid
thermal throttling, not necessarily to allow the CPU to turbo up to its maximum all the time. By contrast, AMD
measures, their TDP as the maximum power, a processor can draw for a thermally, significant period while running
a typical load, and that might seem like the same thing. But thanks to precision boost it's not aimed ease rise and
CPUs will attempt to run at the fastest possible speed at all times similar to a modern GPU, and this is where AMD
measures their TDP. So if the Intel were to measure their TDP this way, they would actually have to measure it with
their turbo boost limiters. Disabled, which would make it measurably higher now thing is, I don't think either of us
is in a position to propose like an industry-wide way of standardly measuring TDP. Clearly we're not in that
position. It would be nice, though. What we do know is that having everyone go their own way on this is harmful
to consumers, who use this spec as a way to choose between one product and another. So, in the long term,
hopefully, the major players in the industry can come together and standardize on a way of measuring. But in the
meantime the best advice we can give. You is to just ignore it. Unless you're comparing apples to apples so like
within Intel zone, product lines and even hopefully the same product families and rely on independent reviews,
like our recent video card buyer's guide, which actually Anthony hosted, they should go check that out right, yeah
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