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Forbes Raves Upcoming Linux
Desktop Will 'Embarass'
Windows 10 and macOS
(forbes.com)
Posted by EditorDavid on Saturday October 19, 2019 @03:34PM from the OS-wars dept.
Forbes senior contributor Jason Evangelho dedicated a whole
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But let's take a peek at what's coming next. This week, the
Deepin Linux Youtube channel quietly released a preview of
its Deepin v20 Launcher (just one component of the
forthcoming OS), and it's bound to turn some heads. Take a
look [YouTube video]. It's merely a tease ahead of this
November's expected Deepin v20 beta release, but the Deepin
developers have apparently devoted most of 2019 working on
the upcoming version. From the category-driven app browser
and animations, to the basic desktop layout we see in the
teaser video, things appear quite polished already.
The article points out that Deepin is also a stand-alone
desktop environment for any current Linux distribution -- and
that it's one of the 248 operating systems available for online
testing at DistroTest.net.
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Sync Now
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Re: (Score:2)
by outlander ( 140799 )
Just like every year since like 2000....
Re: (Score:2)
by AHuxley ( 892839 )
Get that GPU support as good as Windows 10.
Get color support for video and image work system wide
as good as OS X...
Re: (Score:2)
by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 )
I know, right? Forbes magazine runs this same article
every year. Nothing is changing. Everybody knows
Windows is great and telemetry and giving Microsoft
control over your computer and your data is the only way
to go. It's not like people in their twenties grew up using
computers and are more comfortable with technology.
People still just use one platform because the whole tech
thing is new to them and they have no idea there are other
options.
Re: (Score:2)
by F.Ultra ( 1673484 )
Why are all the "power users" on Slashdot always image
editors? Surely IT cannot be comprised to 100% of people
that run Photoshop all day long?
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Re: (Score:2)
by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 )
Simply finding applications that claim to be a video editor
is very different from being a professional video editing
application.
There are Free as in Beer Linux video editing applications
that pros do use: Davinci Resolve. But Blender is not a
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Re: (Score:2)
by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 )
"It could very well be an IT guy who supports a graphics
department that needs Adobe CC and the rest of a typical
office that needs Microsoft Office."
In this case you have Windows machines for those few
people in the company that must have it and let everyone
else use a decent OS. Nobody has a need for Office
anymore, and making everyone use shit because a small
subset of your company is locked in is like making every
driver in a fleet of cabs drive a van with foot controls to
steer just because a few of th
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Photoshop (Score:2)
by p51d007 ( 656414 )
If it doesn't run Photoshop without having a VM or other
nonsense, forget it. I depend too much on photoshop, and,
no, I'm not going to learn something else. NOW GET OFF
MY LAWN! ;)
Re: (Score:3)
by Zero__Kelvin ( 151819 )
Containers and VMs are not "nonsense" in 2019. Your
belief that technology is still stuck in the 1990s is however.
Re: (Score:2)
by Yaztromo ( 655250 )
The full screen app view is a 100% rip-off of macOS's
Launchpad.
Re: (Score:2)
by drnb ( 2434720 )
Teaser video is embarrassing. It looks exactly like
Windows 10 and Android got ripped off, rounded edges,
and colored blue-violet. There is nothing special here.
You are racist and just don't understand the subtleties of
mainland design. :-)
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Re: (Score:2)
by thegreatbob ( 693104 )
Hey now, there's enough delusion to go around.
Re: (Score:2)
by im_thatoneguy ( 819432 )
Yeah, it looks like a random hodgepodge of Windows 8,
Windows 10, Windows Vista and OSX with a healthy dash
of Android.
It's got Windows 8's giant wall of icons launcher... except
without the really cool and useful bits that LiveTiles
have/had like inbox summaries, calendar events, music
controls, groups or alphabetical groupings.
Its start menu is essentially Windows Vista's quick
launch... but no All-Programs slide out.
The launcher is clearly OSX.
The right panel\Notifications pane is clearly Windows 10.
The
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Re: (Score:3)
by CaptainLugnuts ( 2594663 )
Check out Allwinner. Have they ever released their code?
Re: (Score:2)
by MattMann ( 102516 )
but nobody here said "the chinese". you should even stop
thinking "the chinese".
Re: (Score:2)
by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
At least he didn't say "orientals"
Re: (Score:2)
by Cipheron ( 4934805 )
You should stop thinking "the Chinese" according to GP.
Because that's plural, which implies China is made up of
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Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
Check out Allwinner. Have they ever released their code?
kind of [linux-sunxi.org], A10, A20, and A64 are finally
fairly well-supported.
Re: (Score:2)
by Computershack ( 1143409 )
How can we expect a Chinese company to respect a GNU
IP when it regularly steals IP from Korean companies.
Remind me again how many popular apps and widgets for
iOS Apple has stolen over the years feeling so entitled to
do so they've not even had the decency to do more than a
minor altercation of the icon from the original for said
stolen software?
Re: (Score:3)
by Ryzilynt ( 3492885 )
How can we expect a Chinese company to respect a GNU
IP when it regularly steals IP from Korean companies.
Remind me again how many popular apps and widgets for
iOS Apple has stolen over the years feeling so entitled to
do so they've not even had the decency to do more than a
minor altercation of the icon from the original for said
stolen software?
Many times they buy them. You know the voice assistant
Siri? Siri was originally an app for IOS. Apple like it so
much they bought it and incorporated it into the IOS.
Found an old phone a while back that had the original Siri
app still installed.
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Re: (Score:2)
by PolygamousRanchKid ( 1290638 )
It's Chinese so I can't use it
It's Chinese so it uses you.
Re: (Score:2)
by mschaffer ( 97223 )
I thought that's what the Russian distros did.
Re: (Score:2)
by Lije Baley ( 88936 )
No matter which country is spying on you, a tin foil hat
protects just the same.
Re: (Score:2)
by markdavis ( 642305 )
>"It's Chinese so I can't use it"
If it were like Red Flag Linux, I would agree. But this is
different. It is not a state-sponsored project. And, much
more importantly, it is OPEN SOURCE. If you like the
desktop environment, it will probably be available for any
distro, eventually (Fedora, Mageia, Ubuntu, Mint, SuSe,
etc).
Re: (Score:2)
by Calydor ( 739835 )
Open source, yes. But let's be completely honest here, how
large is the source for a full OS? Are YOU going to read
all of it? Are you going to put together a team of trusted
coders to read all of it? Is ANYONE going to read every
single line to make sure there isn't a root level spykit in it?
Re: (Score:3)
by markdavis ( 642305 )
But let's be completely honest here, how large is the source
for a full OS?"
True, although I was more targeting just the desktop-
which is presumably the only thing of differential value
compared to other distros (which are already reliable,
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Re: (Score:2)
by GeekBoy ( 10877 )
It doesn't matter what the distribution is. If it's coming
from China, the company will be compelled to assist the
Chinese intelligence service in any way that intelligence
service deems necessary.
https://qz.com/1016531/what-yo... [qz.com]
The law is so broad and general, the Chinese Gov't can
basically interpret it any way it wants to.
Re: (Score:2)
by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )
It's available in English, as you can see from the links in
the summary.
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Re: (Score:2)
by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )
Actually the slide out control centre proves that it's going
to be shit, like all desktops. Seriously, they all suck.
Look at that slide out for a moment. The thing on it are not
quick settings you need instant access to. Scaling? Because
I change my monitor that often.
Watching the video it's got a hybrid start menu and app
tray, the worst of both worlds. Apps are sorted into
categories which means they haven't figured out how to
use tags yet.
No sign of a decent file manager either.
Re: (Score:2)
by jwdb ( 526327 )
I agree with you, and for me it got to the point that the
desktop switching sliding animation in OS X was causing
me eye strain. At least, I think it was that, and my eyes
have felt better ever since I disabled it.
I'd have to look up exactly where, but there's a setting deep
somewhere in OS X, possibly somewhere under
accessibility, that lets you disable many of the animations.
Highly recommended if this bothers you like it did me.
Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
You mean like the back doors within CISCO equipment;
that enabled the NSA to spy for years?
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"Windows" (Score:2)
by Roger W Moore ( 538166 )
...just like "Windows" that allow the US government to see
into what you are doing on that OS? It's really just
Hobson's choice for those of us outside the US and China.
Re: (Score:2)
by ikhider ( 2837593 )
Gee, wouldn't it be nice if the GNU licensing would allow
users to use, view the source, audit/modify and share the
source code? If only...
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Re: (Score:2)
by Dorianny ( 1847922 )
E16 was truly amazing. I can only imagine where it would
be if they had stuck with developing a desktop manager
instead of trying to develop yet another framework
development environment
Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
If you want sexy use emerald with truglass, it works again.
(It was missing for a while there, and wouldn't build, but
it's back baby.) And hey, avant-window-navigator is back,
too! Put that together with MATE and Compiz and you've
got all the shiny shiny plus all the functionality — all the
best user interface bits of Mac, Windows, and Linux. I had
this positively ages ago, and people walking by my desk
would say "hey, what's that!" when they saw my PC.
Unlike OSX you can configure the useless eye ca
Re: (Score:2)
by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )
First thing I do after installing an OS is disable the fancy
animations and space wasting graphics.
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Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
Use compiz, turn on vsync, and turn down the number that
affects latency. framestep I think? It works for me.
Steam (Score:3)
by Mr_Blank ( 172031 ) on Saturday October 19, 2019
@04:01PM (#59325558) Journal
I will move to Linux when my Steam library is compatible.
I do not even play all the games in my Steam library, but if
ever try to play a game and it does not work with my OS I
am angry at the game maker and the OS.
I will move to Linux when hardware drivers are updated
on or before they are updated for Windows.
I will move to Linux when the OS is probably not
compromised with negative security features. Sorry, China,
but your Great Firewall of China reputation precedes you.
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Re: (Score:2)
by ikhider ( 2837593 )
Yes, you cannot play games on Linux. Linux does not have
hardware drivers (nor did they ever.) Plus Linux as a
secure operating system? Perish the thought!
Re: (Score:3)
by Opportunist ( 166417 )
Steam's ProtonPlay is surprisingly close to making Linux
gaming a reality. You might want to check ProtonDB
[protondb.com] for your favorite games and see whether
they are actually compatible. I was pleasantly surprised to
see that most of the games I actually play are compatible
(notable exceptions are Space Engineers and Empyrion,
though for the former there is now a workaround, albeit a
really tedious one). Some games require a little tweaking
but most actually work out of the box, either natively
anyway or with proton
so why? (Score:2)
by arbiter1 ( 1204146 )
Why is some Forbes guy which promoting this Linux
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Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
If you live in the West, having the Chinese spying on you
is probably better than having the NSA/GCHQ/CSIS/*
spying on you
We can buy billions of dollars of merchandise from them,
but we can't buy your data? Does not compute.
Re: (Score:2)
by Kernel Kurtz ( 182424 )
Why?
For exactly the same reason if you live in China, having
the Chinese spying on you is bad.
Re: (Score:2)
by AHuxley ( 892839 )
In Communist China your social credit goes down. That
"stops" travel, education, housing, health care, banking,
internet depending on what was reported.
Then its time for intensive re-education..
In the West the NSA/GCHQ will pass on actionable
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Re: (Score:2)
by Kernel Kurtz ( 182424 )
You must work for China. Western government will not be
attacking the west. Chinese government will.
So, no thank you.
The funny part is your fear of China makes your own
government watching you easy.
Scary terrorists also. Be afraid.
Re: (Score:2)
by green1 ( 322787 )
Is it likely any worse than one from an AMERICAN based
company? We have concrete proof that those have spying
programs installed. For the chinese ones all we usually
have is paranoia and unfounded claims. For me, knowing
that both governments spy, and knowing that the USA is a
more likely travel destination for me (though I try to avoid
it except for work where I have no choice), I'd rather send
my info to China than to the USA. China is unlikely to
care what I'm doing.
Re: (Score:3)
by DogDude ( 805747 )
The Chinese government can and will disappear you. The
US government won't (yet). Personally, I think you gotta
be nuts to trust the Chinese government more than the
American one.
Re: (Score:2)
by drinkypoo ( 153816 )
The Chinese government can and will disappear you. The
US government won't (yet).
How would you know? People go missing and never turn
up all the time.
Personally, I think you gotta be nuts to trust the Chinese
government more than the American one.
I think that's true too, but I think the difference is one of
degree. Yes, China has organlegging, and labor camps. But
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Re: (Score:2)
by green1 ( 322787 )
Both countries have a history of doing precisely that. At
least the Chinese aren't likely to care about me as I'm not
likely to ever visit there.
Re: (Score:2)
by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
You can easily block china from iptables. Maybe build
iptables from source though.
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Re: (Score:2)
by h33t l4x0r ( 4107715 )
Not your data, system settings. In other words your
wallpaper and wifi password. I can't imagine the world
doing too much with that, and it seems nice to not have to
re-tweak all that stuff when I set up a new laptop.
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Re: (Score:2)
by dissy ( 172727 )
Truly, THIS is the year of the Linux Desktop.
No no, this is the year of the pig. Next year is the year of
the Rat. Then it will be the year of the Ox. :P
No thanks (Score:2)
by HalAtWork ( 926717 )
All that candy sounds like there are some "UX experts"
constantly tweaking and redesigning.
Sounds like a distro I'll stay away from.
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Choice! (Score:2)
by Opportunist ( 166417 )
Now I can choose freely whether the US or the Chinese
government can sift through my files and invade me any
way they like. Either choice is crap and not what I want,
but there ain't no real alternatives. Ok, technically there
are, but since so few people choose that one, they will get
no support and eventually I'll have to accept that this ain't
going nowhere.
What does that feel like an election?
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Re: (Score:2)
by AmiMoJo ( 196126 )
As long as it's open source it's fine. Otherwise I'd have to
add Linux to my list of banned products because too much
of it comes from the US and other compromised Five Eyes
countries.
Re: (Score:2)
by Opportunist ( 166417 )
I'd already be satisfied with something that works and is
quick to respond.
Like, say, the systems we had about 15-20 years ago.
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