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Anyhow what I did notice was that the current FAI charts don't have any fire results for warships.
I can't remember reading any design explanation for this in FAI though I may have missed it.
Looking closely at the FAI damage chart it looks to be intentionally designed without fires. Is this
correct or have I missed something?
Compared to WWII, shipboard fires were not as prevalent nor as destructive. Keep in mind that a fire, in game
terms, is a very serious event; it impacts the ships survivability by the loss of hull boxes. WWI ships were not
nearly as 'flammable' as their WWII counterparts, what with facilities for aircraft and extensive electrical and
hydraulic gear.
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Adrian Dobb 14 Mar 2008
Hi Coastal,While I agree there are not so many float planes and their fuel etc about (except on the GF in 1918)
plus all the light AA wepaons and their ammo etc I have to say I don't agree that fires and specifically major
fires should be completely ignored. Why? Well there is potentially still a lot of flammable material about,
especially on older ships in this period. In the wars of 1898 and 1904/5 a number of ships were consumed by
fire. This was commented on by analysts at the time and was taken seriously by the RN sufficiently so that
dreadnoughts ready for action covered there decks with old water hoses pierced so as to keep the decks
continually sprayed. Off the top of my head I believe Monmouth was burnt at Coronel and one of the German
LC at Heligoland (Frauenlob I think). Plus one or more ships at Jutland. The art of DC wasn't otherwise up to
WWII standard. No fires means no illumination due to damage in night actions. Lastly a fire is a slightly less
serious event than a bulkhead result and these are heavily built into the damage table. I can understand why
that is due to the ease with which older designs were subject to such damage, but I would argue that was
primarily an underwater damage frailty rather than a gunfire one. My caveat is this is all IMO and I offer it as
constructive thoughts and not in any way heavy critcism. Abccunningham
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Lonnie Gill 26 Mar 2008
Thanks ABC,You put it more eloquently than I did, but it seems we share generally the same view. Your
suggestion seems a good optional solution and provides a nice distinction for the earlier pre-dreadnought era
designs. That's also quite useful as it helps hilight another of the significant differences between the designs of
the two eras.I'll chew on it and discuss with the local crew while we wait to see what others may want to add
to the discussion. Of course, getting all that on the chart may take a magic wand!LONNIE
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Lonnie Gill 04 Jun 2008
ABC,Waited a while, but doesn�t seem we�re going to get much comment on this issue. As stated in a
previous post, your suggestion proposing an optional rule for Fire damage to the older generation pre-
dreadnoughts and armored cruisers would enhance historical results in scenarios involving these ships.
Coastal�s suggestion that it be restricted to the 1914 � 1915 period also makes good sense. Once the danger
was better understood, considerable efforts were made to strip warships of flammable materials. This was
especially important for these older ships built to an earlier, more tolerant standard employing internal wood
coverings, furniture and lockers and other flammable trim materials.To maintain commonality, let�s employ
the mechanism used elsewhere in GQ III for fires. Further, in the interest of simplicity, let�s restrict the rule
to the pre-dreadnought (B*) and armored cruiser (CA) type classifications. A few of the older protected
cruisers and light cruisers built to the same earlier era standards were also still active in WW I, but are not
separately distinguished from other cruisers on the Ship Logs. Purists may wish to apply this a bit further to
light cruisers and protected cruisers built before 1905 as well, identifying specific ships in a given
scenario.Therefore, here is a new optional rule, which will be incorporated into any future FAI Amendment. I
would be interested in further comments from those who have used this option in their scenarios:7.7.5 B* and
CA Fires [optional]Pre-dreadnought battleships (B*) and armored cruisers (CA) are subject to structural Fires
during 1914 � 1915 scenarios. Thereafter, the danger was understood and these ships were stripped of
flammable materials. This section does not apply to other ship types.� Fire A major fire results when a D12
result of 1 is rolled on the WW I GUNFIRE DAMAGE table for a B* or CA target. This damage is in addition to
the Tertiary and SL damage listed. Place a red Fire post-it alongside the target and move with the miniature
until extinguished. Fires illuminate the target at night. Mark off one Hull Box in each succeeding Damage
Control Phase until the fire is extinguished.� Damage Control The captain of the B* or CA may attempt to
extinguish the Fire in the Damage Control Phase of succeeding Game Turns as described in rule Section 7.9.2.
Mark off one Hull Box on the target Ship Log each Damage Control Phase the Fire continues to burn. Remove
the Fire post-it when it is extinguished. Note: fires that are extinguished in the initial Damage Control Phase
cause no hull damage.� CL and CS In addition, this option may also be applied to any CL or CS commissioned
prior to 1906 by mutual consent of the players. These ships must be identified prior to beginning a scenario by
placing an asterisk next to the CL or CS armor listing at the upper right of their Ship Logs.Cheers,LONNIE
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Keith Plymale 18 Jun 2008
Fire was specifically mentioned as a ship killer in '95, '98 and '04-'05. It needs to be in any supplement covering
that period for sure. The suggested optional rule works for me. Don't have this yet but I will be using it when I
get it.
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Cpt M 03 Jul 2008
I would go slow on changing the nature of the fire rules. Over the span of some 50+ games, the overall results
tend to even out and while 4 fires on one ship (which I've only seen maybe twice) may seem excessive, given
the nature of a WWII ship, its not outside the realm of the possible. By WWII, ships were carrying much more
electrical and hydralic equipment, all of which were highly flammable. Then add carrying aircraft with large
open spaces (hangers) and fuel. By my reading of AARs and damage reports, the fire result seems to be in line
with what was historical. Fire had, once again, become a major shipkiller (ask the Japanese about that). I
would play the fire rules as written a little more before making too dramatic of changes. If you still feel that
way, by all means, incorporate your own house rules as you feel necessary (the structure of the rules actually
encourage such experimentation).
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W. Clark 10 Apr 2013
Yes, but the water there was cold and perhaps it helped to warm up before taking the plunge.
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