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Draft Meeting Minutes,  802.20 Interim Meeting  ­ Session #14, Cairns, Australia, 
May 16­20, 2005

Date  2005­5­20
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Re: 802.20 Session#14

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Draft - Meeting Minutes of the 802.20 Session #14
May 16-20, 2005
Cairns, Australia
Rao Yallapragada
Secretary

The 14th session of 802.20 was held at the May 2005 Interim meeting of IEEE 802 in
Cairns, Australia.

The session began at 8:00 am on May 16, 2005 with a Joint Opening meeting for groups
802.11/15/18/19/20/21/22.

Contributions and WG documents referenced in these minutes can be found at the

802.20 website, http://www.ieee802.org/20/

See Appendix A for the overall session attendance and participation credit list.

Minutes of 802.20 Monday May 16, 2005

Meeting started at 11:00 am.

Chair explained the Company Affiliation and Sign in procedure.

Chair called the WG members to sign in.

Chair stated there was No Quorum for the session.

Chair opened the meeting for 802.20 WG to review and discuss the following:

- Objectives of the session

- Copy Right Rules
- Logistics of the session
- IEEE 802 meeting conduct and WG policies and procedures
- Voting Rights
- IEEE-SA Standards Board Bylaws on Patents in Standards
- Logistics for the session
- Next Meeting information

Chair proposed the meeting agenda. The chair’s opening slides including the proposed
agenda are contained in document 802.20.05-05.

Discussion followed. It was raised if we can move to cover the items in the agenda ahead
of schedule, if some of the items get done earlier than scheduled. Chair requested some of
the contributors in the room if that is agreeable to them.

There is a consensus and an agreement that we move forward on the agenda if items get
covered faster than the currently stated time schedule.
It was also agreed that we would maintain the order and sequence of the topics of
coverage as proposed in the agenda.

Chair asked if there were any objections to approve the agenda with the conditions as
agreed above.
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No objections noted.
Time: 11:40 am

Approved agenda is included in Appendix B.

Under Other Working Group Activities the following was discussed.

Chair Presented “PAR FORM: Dealing with Network Management”. Chair noted
that we will circle back later in the session for further discussion on this PAR related to
801.1.

Chair presented “Proposed IEEE 802 LMSC Policy and Procedures revision ballot
on WG Membership & Meeting Policies and Procedures”. Following a short
discussion to was decided that this topic would get revisited on Thursday before the close
of the session.

The Chair and David James also agreed that on Thursday 5/19/05 they would present a
joint proposal on how the 802.20 WG should interface and work with the 802.18 WG. All
agreed to this should be covered on Thursday.

Lunch Break: 12: 15pm

Resume: 1:30 pm

Presentation by Jerry Upton on “March Plenary Action Items, Evaluation Criteria

and Traffic Models Status Update” (C802.20-05-33)

Chair asked for any volunteers who can help as acting editors for the Evaluation Criteria
and the Channels Models documents during this session and also for the permanent
editorship for the Evaluation Criteria document.
Given there were no volunteers, the Chair stated he would be the acting editor of both
documents for the session. He would also act as the editor of the Evaluation Criteria
document until a suitable editor could be found.

Presentation by Ayman Naguib on “Channel Modeling for MBWA” (C802.20-05/32)

Presentation by David Huo on “Comments on Modeling MIMO Channels”

(C802.20-05/28)

Break: 3:45 pm
Resume: 4: 20 pm

Presentation by David Huo on “Issues on Path Loss Model” (C802.20-05/31)

Time: 5:35 pm

Meeting recessed for the day.

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Tuesday, May 17, 2005

Meeting began at 8:00 am

The Chair reviewed the agenda (Appendix B).

Channel Models Document (Rev 08r1) Review and Voting

In the absence of the Channel Models document editor, the Chair took the role of acting
editor.

The Channel Models document was reviewed section by section. The document was
edited, corrected and modified on all the items that were previously agreed.

For Section 3.5, it was agreed that Ayman Naguib will provide a rewrite for the whole
section.

In Section 5, Ayman Naguib was asked to address this section in his proposal consistent
with section 3.5.

For Section 5.6: It was decided to add an Appendix to explain of why Section 5.6 is
included in the document. It was also agreed to decide the ordering of section 5.6 based
on what the group decides on Section 3.5.

The Chair agreed he would create a Version 9 of the Channel Models document based
upon the agreed actions above and based upon the consensus reached at this session.
Version 9 would be reviewed on a conference call and used as the baseline document for
the July Plenary.

Break: 10:05 am
Resume: 10: 35 am

Presentation by Dan Gal on “IEEE 802.20 Evaluation Criteria (EC) - Simulation of

Common Traffic Types” (C802.20-05-25)

Discussion followed:

There was no consensus for the proposals made in this document.

Clarification was requested by the WG members on what exactly is Traffic Mix. Chair
requested that point be cleared in the new updated revision of the document.

The important question for the group is - - should Traffic Mix mean (1) “a mix of users
across the system for simulation purposes each using a specific single application” or
“each user in the system having a specified application mix”?

Lunch Break: 12:45 pm

Resume: 2:00 pm
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Based on discussion all the WG members agreed to extend the current day schedule till
7:00 pm.

Presentation by Dan Gal on “IEEE 802.20 Outline for PHY/MAC Specifications”

(C802.20-05/26)

Discussion followed. There was no consensus on the proposed table of contents. Chair
requested to include the contribution as options in the current document and entertain
other alternate options.

Presentation by David Huo on “Simulation Study of Calibration Assumptions”

(C802.20-05/27)

Discussion followed

Presentation by David Huo on “Procedure for Evaluation of Calibration Procedure”

(C802.20-05/30)

Discussion and debate followed on the proposed calibration procedure. Chair requested to
post the salient points posted to the reflector. Chair proposed the WG to have a
conference call after the session to reach a consensus. The chair commented that in the
event if no consensus is reached, the proposal will be included as an option into the EC
document and will be decided by vote in July.

Presentation by David Huo on “Evaluation on Voice Services” (C802.20-05/29)

A short discussion followed with no specific outcome.

Evaluation Criteria and Traffic Models Document Review and Voting

The Chair acted as the editor of the Evaluation Criteria document, given no volunteers
and based upon the request of the members.

The document was reviewed section by section. The edited and updated document will be
posted as new version 9 before the July Plenary.

The Chair asked if there were any objections to work beyond 7:00 pm to finish the review
of the document. There were no objections.

Time: 7:30 pm

Meeting recessed for the day

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005

Meeting began at 8:00 am.

Chair reviewed the agenda for the day.

Presentation by Mark Klerer on “Technology Selection Process Merged Document”

(C802.20-05/24)

Mark Klerer agreed to continue acting as the editor of the document.

Discussion followed. The definitions of “Partial Proposal”, “Complete Proposal” and

“Compliant Proposal” were modified based on the discussion in the WG.

Editors Note: Annex to be provided identifying the mandatory requirements contained in

the Evaluation Criteria Document.

Discussion followed. Based on the discussion and comments from the WG, the document
was modified.

Upon consensus, it was decided to create a matrix with 4 boxes as shown below to
categorize the submitted proposals.

Proposals shall be classified along the two dimensions of completeness and compliance.

Partial Proposal Complete Proposal

Compliant Proposal
Non-Compliant Proposal

Break: 10:00 am
Resume: 10: 30 am

Chair invited Dan Gal to present the contribution C802.20-05-34 at the same time to
compare the contents with the current contribution on C802.20-05-24.

Joanne Wilson commented on an alternative option for Technology Selection Process.

Chair requested Joanne Wilson to draft the alternative option and present it after lunch.

Lunch Break: 12:15 pm

Resume: 1:15 pm

Presentation by Dan Gal on “802.20 Technology Selection Process” (C802.20-05/34)

Joanne Wilson reviewed her proposed option as input to the discussion (C802.20-
05/12r1)

Discussion continued

Mark Klerer resumed presenting contribution C802.20-05/24

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The multiple options on the Technology Selection process will be moved to an appendix
for further review. A merged option will be crafted by the editor

Mark Klerer agreed to include the edits in the new version 2.0 of the TSP document.

Resumption of Review of Evaluation Criteria Document

The review of Evaluation criteria document was resumed from the point it was completed
on Tuesday at Section 5.4:

Straw Poll

To adopt Option 1: To delete Section 9

Unanimous consent

Break: 3:30 pm
Resume: 4:00 pm

The remaining sections of the document were reviewed.

Chair/Acting Editor of the document stated he would create a new version 16 of the
document for review before the July Plenary.

Time: 5:28 pm
Meeting recessed for the day
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Thursday, May 19, 2005

Meeting began at 8:30 am.

Chair reviewed the agenda items for the remainder of the session.

Next Meeting Planning

Chair reviewed the locations for the next several sessions including the July Plenary. It
was noted that the May 2006 Interim will most likely be held in Istanbul or Prague. The
Chair also suggested people book their hotel rooms early for the Jan. 2006 Interim in
Hawaii.

The Chair stated he would send out and posted the conference calls scheduled between
now and July Plenary. Everyone agreed to the normal day and time (Tuesday from 4-
6pmEDT).

The Chair also noted the expected new document versions are:
1. Channel Models – Version 9
2. Evaluation Criteria - Version 16
3. Technology Selection Procedure – Version 2

Old Business carried over from the Monday Opening Session

1. The group reviewed a one slide presentation from David James and Jim Ragsdale
regarding improving the interaction between 802.20 and 802.18. The chair had
requested a write up in the Monday Opening. (Note: The Chair excused himself
for 10 minutes while slide was reviewed.) There was discussion upon the Chair’s
return. The Chair agreed to add the discussion points to the slide and sent to the
presenters and other interested parties that were present for review for accuracy.
Following that review, the chair will send the slide to the group reflector. The
presented slide is below:
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2. The Chair reviewed the 802.1 AM proposed PAR and asked for inputs. This was
initially review in the Monday Opening and agreed that it would be discussed again
on Thursday. This discussion led to the New Business item on the Wireless
Architecture meeting. No conclusions on 802.1 PAR were reached by the group.

New Business
The Chair reviewed the below embedded Power Point slides below from the Wireless
Architecture meeting Tuesday evening. (Note: double click on the below objection to see
all the slides.)
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A discussion followed and a few members made comments. There was a concern that it
was increasing difficult for an individual to cover all the WGs, TAGs and Study Groups
that “cross and serve all the wireless groups.” The Chair stated he would send the slides
to the group reflectors and seek further inputs by email.

Motion to Adjourn

Moved by Joanne Wilson

Seconded by Mark Klerer
Approved without objection

Time: 9:35am

Session #14 is adjourned

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Appendix A: Attendance List

Participation
Last Name First Name Company/Organization Attendee
Credit
Austin Mark OFCOM A NO
Bernstein Jeffrey TMG A YES
Burbank Jack JHU/APL A YES
Canchi Radhakrishna Kyocera A YES
Epstein Mark Qualcomm A YES
Gal Dan Lucent A YES
Huo David Lucent A YES
James David S. Oak Global BV A YES
Jiezhen Lin Siemanse Ltd., China A YES
Kasch William John Hopkins Univ./APL A YES
Kitahara Minako Kyocera A YES
Klerer Mark Flarion Technologies A YES
Naguib Ayman Qualcomm A YES
O'Brien Francis Lucent A YES
Ping Luo Panasonic Singapore A YES
Ragsdale James Ericsson A YES
Sutivong Arak Qualcomm A YES
JUpton
Upton Jerry Consulting;Qualcomm A YES
Wilson Joanne ArrayComm A YES
Yallapragada Rao Qualcomm A YES
Yuza Masaaki NEC A YES
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Appendix B: Approved Detailed Agenda on May 16, 2005 at 11:40 am
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