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AY Tcaja{ {qaøi‧ a{tè knhri ‛na dcei kij wiu {akh hn war ki`i @hkh akohbh
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da{cljhdi h nh{ di{. xqc{i trhjxqcncuhr{a. arh hb{qrdh hxqannh {ctqhkcûj.
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}ari ji nh ajkijtrû. xqaràh ohbar ohbnhdi }ari {q lcri nh daeû kij nh }hnhbrh aj
nh bikh. s th`}iki xqaràh `i{trhr qjh jaka{cdhd htriu }ir a{thr kij annh.
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{a a{gq`hrè*
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khkoijdai*
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`hjarh xqa A{toar ji ohbàh wc{ti eh`è{. {qbaj bhehj. {q{ kqanni{ ohkàh gqarh.
õntc`h gcnh nnawhbhj aj {q{ `hji{ qji{ }hni{ }hrakcdi{ h ni{ da nh Oakockarh.
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inwcdhdi h @hkh. {ini tajàh iei{ }hrh a{h dhjuh. nh{ `qeara{ {a datqwcarij
hjta annh. ni{ }ca{ lin}ahbhj an {qani. nawhjthbhj qj nawa }inwi. {q{ `hji{. {a
anawhbhj hn kcani ki`i xqcaj a{tè h }qjti da nawhjthr qjh }nalhrch. jqawi
tajàh iei{ jhdh `è{ xqa }hrh hxqannh dhjuh. s qjh gclqrh xqa {alqàh {cj ohnnhr*
qjh kij hxqan }hni anawhdi hn kcani. s da ra}ajta qj oi`bra tidi }cjthdi da
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oi`bra `iwcajdi {q{ hjtirkoh{. an th`-th` cjkra`ajthjdi an rct`i. nh{
rqcdi da kinnhra{. hxqanni c`}raljhbh aj an hcra qj rct`i hnikhdi. kh{c
cj{i}irthbna. s da ra}ajta. kqhjdi }hrakàh xqa tidi{ cbhj h lrcthr hjta thn
cjtaj{cdhd. qj jqawi lin}a {aki dan th`-th`. lrcti da tidh{ s hqnncdi dan
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s nh{ hjtirkoh{ winwàhj h nh{ `hji{ da hxqan `hnhbhrc{th* Nh{ `qeara{
winwcarij h {q{qrrhr*
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gijdi da iei{. nh nqu da nh lrhj oilqarh. na }riwikhbh qjh `crhdh a{}akchn. kh{c
õjckh. `hrhwcnni{h. a{h `crhdh ra}nath da tarjqrh xqa na lq{thbh war kqhjdi
hkhrckchbh nh khrh. }ari hoirh. aj a{a `i`ajti a{h nqu aj {q{ iei{. nh ohbàh
}riwikhdi a{a rika aj {q `hji. a{h khrckch najth. kh{c irlè{`ckh. hjta hxqan
nnawhr }ir a{a h`bcajta bhøhdi }ir nh nqjh. an th`-th`. dhbh ni{ hkirda{ eh`è{
}aj{û A{toar xqa }qdcarh bhcnhr hn rct`i da lin}a{ {aki{. ni{ jcøi{ {a ohbàhj
`auknhdi. lrhkch{ h anni{. }ardcû da wc{th h Khrni{ s {a xqadû kij di{ jcøi{ s
@hkh. hxqan bhcna }idàh {ar qji da a{i{ arûtcki{ xqa ohbàh wc{ti aj nh
kqar}i `crèjdinh kij qjh {ijrc{h. {q }ani ncbra {a `iwàh }riwikhjdi qj hqrh h
{q hnradadir. xqa nh `i{trhbhj a{}akthkqnhr. {q{ `iwc`cajti{ {a winwàhj
{aj{qhna{. tidh annh. arh }qrh {aj{qhncdhd. s A{toar jithbh ki`i {a ajkajdàh
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{cj ra`adci. s ajtra an khnir da nh oilqarh. an khnir dan bhcna s an }ri}ci xqa annh
{ajtàh. }aj{û xqa {c hxqan bhcna {alqàh }ir `qkoi tca`}i. hkhbhràh hbrh{hdh
ki`i {c gqarh ni xqa thjti xqaràh @hkh. qj trigai da khuh. ki`i qj ehbhnà. qjh
ajcl`ètckh `qear*
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h}hrakcdi aj anni{ hnli a trhøi. qj `hr da dqdh{ }aj{û @hkh. na lq{tû }aj{hr
cjtarcir s ji xqaràh. na lq{tû war hxqannh nqkoh. {ijraàh hjta nh {ijrc{h
oakockarh kh{c `èlckh da hxqannh `qear xqa ohbàh nnalhdi oh{th annh ki`i {c
gqarh qj rhsi da nqu aj }najh i{kqrcdhd. tajàh xqa ohkar a{gqarui{ }hrh ji
nnalhr oh{th annh s ba{hrnh. hbrhuhrnh. a{thbh thj bannh bhøhdh }ir nh nqu da nh
nqjh. ajtijka{ xqaràh }aj{hr xqa tajàh tidi bhei kijtrin }ari h {q wau. {a
dhbh kqajth xqa ji a c{tàh an kijtrin lrhkch{ h hxqannh `qear xqa {a `iwàh da
hxqannh `hjarh. ki`i {c kij an bhcna xqc{carh htrharnh ki`i {c gqarh qjh
oc}jitcuhdirh* S ajtijka{ winwàh aj {à. a{thbh `i{trhjdi ki{h{ {a dhbh
Aj qj `i`ajti da nh dhjuh. ni{ jcøi{ nh{ qjcarij. hxqanni{ iei{
`aecnnh{ kinirhdh{. arh qjh dhjuh dijda h`bh{ kij nh ri}h. kij qj `qjdi
a{a `i`ajti ockcarij an h`ir. qj h`ir dcgarajta. {cj riuhr qjh }can. {cj riuhr
qji{ nhbci{. ni{ iei{ ockcarij an h`ir h nh itrh. {q{ kirhuija{ khbhnlhrij
brhwi{ ki`i qjh tclra{h trh{ nh }ra{h }hrh hnc`ajthr h {q{ ocei{. kqhjdi an
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annh nh xqa ajtrû hn {hki da nh nhlhrth. gqa annh nh xqa na }cdcû xqa nh hkilcarh. s
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tar`cjû }ir dhrna qj ba{i aj nh grajta kij tidi {q khrcøi s qjh {ijrc{h tcarjh
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ohbàh gcjhncuhdi s dabàhj winwar. {hbàhj xqa Wcnkoa{ a{thbh {ini aj an
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‛na dcei eqjthjdi {q{ nhbci{ hn gcjhncuhr da ohbnhr. qj la{ti `qs {qsi. xqa
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