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09-01-2011, 09:20 PM Thread Starter post #1 of 34

ComancheCounty Is this an MB or CJ2?

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09-01-2011, 09:23 PM post #2 of 34

BrandonJames CJ2a I believe. Not positive, I would get a second opinion other then mine
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09-01-2011, 09:27 PM post #3 of 34

mopar346 Very cool, plugs left out and holes open aint good, moisture, dirt dobbers,
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09-01-2011, 09:40 PM Thread Starter post #4 of 34

ComancheCounty Yes, those are gun racks, the PO says they're original?
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09-01-2011, 09:43 PM Thread Starter post #5 of 34

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ComancheCounty Can someone decode, or point me to the place I could decode the serial
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09-01-2011, 09:45 PM post #6 of 34

Hurricane4 Looks like a CJ2A. According to this site and your serial number
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09-01-2011, 10:04 PM post #7 of 34

TopKick77 cj2a
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Nope def NOT a MB. Gun racks are real though. Lots of difference between
Join Date: Aug 2011 the MB and CJ2a's. The Real early cj's used the leftover MB tubs. You can
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09-01-2011, 10:07 PM Thread Starter post #8 of 34

ComancheCounty Thanks for the info brother! What about the gun racks? Has anyone else
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09-01-2011, 10:26 PM Thread Starter post #9 of 34

ComancheCounty Also, it looks like it had a one-piece windshield but could it actually be a two
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09-01-2011, 10:40 PM post #10 of 34

CJ_Rick Cj3a windshield frame.

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09-02-2011, 06:32 AM post #11 of 34

Pathkiller It's neither a CJ2a nor an MB (definitely not an MB, and definitely not a
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The windshield of the 3a is drastically different from the 2a. It has a fresh
air vent in the bottom center, which the 2a never had.

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09-02-2011, 07:13 AM post #12 of 34

CSP Yep, it's a 3a.

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The easiest giveaway that it isn't an MB is the tailgate. MBs didn't have
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09-02-2011, 07:35 AM post #13 of 34

Pathkiller Quote:
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And the completely different grill, with large bug-eye headlights and a 7-slot
grill versus the MB's small recessed headlights and 9-slot grill. And the
civilian Willys Jeep data plate on the dash. And the fuel filler on the driver's
side versus the lack of any fuel filler on the MB (filled into the underseat
tank directly). And on and on...

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09-02-2011, 07:46 AM post #14 of 34

Pathkiller The one (actually two) piece that actually is military is the rifle rack. Those
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bucks to a preservationist. Reproductions sell for $200-300 dollars, I'm not
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09-02-2011, 08:59 AM post #15 of 34

Hurricane4 Yes - CJ3A - I should have looked farther down the serial number list here:
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CJ3-A 451 GB1 10001 54158 44158
473 SW 451 AA1 10001 25906 15906
673 SW 651 AA1 10001 18470 8470
473 VJ3 451 BA1 10001 -- NONE
673 VJ3 651 BA1 10001 -- NONE
4x473 SW 451 FA1 10001 21854 11854
473 HT PU 451 DC1 10001 11070}*
CAB 451 DB1 10001 11070}* 1070
STK 451 DD1 10001 11070}*
473 4WD PU 451 EC1 10001 26029 16029
CAB 451 EB1 10001 11894 1894
STK 451 ED1 10001 10420 420
2x473 SW 451 HA1 10001 10630 630
SD 451 JA1 10001 10135 135
FJ 451 GC1 10001 -- NONE
JT 451 GD1 10001 -- NONE
685 LA1 10001 10663 663
685 MA1 10001 10002 2
473 SD 451 CA1 10001 10003 3
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