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You see, I was in USAF Security Police and that base was buzzing the next day.
Someone even went to the trouble of making a false landing site with false marks on
the ground so nothing would be detected. Those people making the false landing site
told me they were sent to do this! I asked, ‘Why?’ It was like a game. There were so
many rumors swirling on the base and you couldn’t say anything. But I called my
mother the very next day and that’s when I got in trouble.
DO YOU REMEMBER THE SUN COMING UP?
I remember the whole thing from the beginning. The flight before me – I was getting
ready to go on duty. We got a knock on the door. It was the Supervisor of Security
Police and he said ‘We’ve got an alert status. It’s a full alert. At the time, we were
having trouble with Russia possibly moving into Poland and we were going to have a
lot of alerts.
So, we asked, ‘Do we need chemical warfare equipment?’ He said, ‘No, just bring
flak vests and your alert bag and go to the bus.’ So, we picked up the bus. The whole
flight would go out for duty, the shift. [ Larry Warren was in D Flight.] But not
Adrian Bustinza - he was not on my shift. He worked a different shift.
My shift all got to Central Security Control (CSC) and when that other shift came off
duty, we had guard mount and everything. Guard mount checked you to see if you
were under the influence of drugs, alcohol or anything – if anything is wrong, you are
not issued a weapon because we were around nuclear weapons. That’s another thing
about the issue of being on drugs. You’re gone, jack! They give you tests and
everything before you’re even out there in security.
I was put on a permanent post that is only manned during a base alert. It was called
Perimeter Post 18. It’s at the very bottom of the RAF Bentwaters flight line. That post
is designated in the event of enemy aircraft trying to land on the base, on the field,
during an attack, and you’re supposed to shoot them down. You’d live about three
minutes there, I think!
At that post, I started to hear all the talk by walkie-talkie from the Weapons Storage
Area (WSA). We had a tower there that was 80 feet tall and we were about six miles
from RAF Woodbridge. They are talking about lights! They are saying they see a red
light over – I didn’t know it was Rendlesham Forest at that moment - but over near
RAF Woodbridge base near the woods.
The Flight Chief got on (the walkie-talkie frequency) and wanted coordinates and
directions. He seemed very interested and I’m looking up in the sky and I couldn’t see
anything. But they were in a tower so they could look out that direction above the
trees.
WHO WAS THE FLIGHT CHIEF?
Sgt. Bobbie Ball. He came on and asked for coordinates and directions. Now at this
point, I’m standing there and I hear rustling – there was kind of a little hill and then a
fence and then the road and then up to where my post was with the flight line. And
here comes something running out of the darkness – it’s like a thundering herd of
some sort and they are deer. They are coming down the fence and two deer shot off
this way up the fence line toward the Rod and Gun Club. Two deer jumped over the
fence and ran up past my post. I could have touched them! Down the hill, the deer
jumped the fence again and disappeared in a field. They were scared! There was no
aircraft flying that night at RAF Bentwaters – none!
Then I got picked up from my Perimeter Post 18 by Lt. Englund and Sgt. Adrian
Bustinza. We got in the truck. They had to clear permission for me to leave my post.
We drove to the motor pool and that’s when strange stuff started to happen.
IF IT WAS THE END OF ADRIAN BUSTINZA’S SHIFT, WHY DO YOU THINK
HE WAS WITH LT. ENGLUND TO PICK YOU UP?
Because Lt. Englund worked Bustinza’s shift. They had a sighting – Bustinza had had
his sighting already.
COULD THIS BE THE NIGHT OF THE TAPE RECORDING WITH LT. HALT
(December 28, 1980)?
There were a number of objects involved with the landing, I’m sure. What Col. Halt
recorded – I know a lot of it because I was very close to what was going on. A lot of
the transmissions, some were the people I was with. Just in transmissions, you could
hear, ‘Can we have permission to enter?’ ‘No, not at this time.’
THIS IS PUZZLING TO ME. THE TAPE RECORDING THAT EVERYONE
SEEMS TO AGREE IS REAL ...
Yes, it is real, 100%.
... DESCRIBES MEN IN THE FOREST TRYING TO EITHER FOLLOW LIGHTS
OR TO WATCH A LIGHT THAT IS MOVING THROUGH THE TREES. THAT’S
VERY DIFFERENT FROM BOTH YOUR AND OTHER EYEWITNESS
ACCOUNTS OF THE ASPIRIN-SHAPED, 12-INCHES HIGH, 25 FEET WIDE,
ALMOST TRANSPARENT OBJECT.
LW: No, on New Year’s, we went to London on New Year’s Day (January 1, 1981)
and stayed down there. On December 6, 1980, was the last time I was in London, I
think, before January 1, 1981.
Ben Jamison: The day after Christmas you said you wrote to your mother, but never
sent the letter.
LW: I wrote on December 26 or 27. I had it dated. I wrote to my mother and said it
was boring over there and obviously nothing had happened yet. I have that letter
somewhere. I’ll have to dig it up. I could be wrong about the date; maybe it was
December 27.
Ben Jamison: Weren’t you on duty that night you wrote the letter?
LW: I went on duty late at night. I remember writing the letter.
Howe: LET’S CONTINUE WITH THIS STORY THAT BUSTINZA WAS
DRIVEN IN SILENCE AS IF IN A DREAM. HE BLACKS OUT AGAIN AND
WAKES UP INSIDE AN UNDERGROUND, HUGE COMPLEX.
LW: Yeah.
HE SEES A UFO LIKE THE ONE IN THE FOREST DOWN BELOW HIM. HE IS
STANDING ON SOME SORT OF A CATWALK.
LW: Right.
HE SEES WHOLE BANKS OF COMPUTERS. HE IS TAKEN TO AN
AUDITORIUM WITH ABOUT 30 TO 40 OTHER PEOPLE THAT HE KNOWS
FROM BENTWATERS. THERE ARE ALSO HIGH-RANKING OFFICERS
PRESENT. THERE IS A (MOVIE) SCREEN. A GENERAL COMES OUT AND
SPEAKS.
LARRY, DO YOU KNOW WHO THE GENERAL WAS?
No. I just tried to repeat it as close to how Bustinza told me. It might be different in
some aspects.
THE GENERAL REFERS TO ANY QUESTIONS THE PEOPLE IN THE
AUDITORIUM MIGHT HAVE ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED IN RENDLESHAM
FOREST AND WHY IT WAS NECESSARY FOR SECRECY. A FILM WAS
SHOWN. YOU SAY, LARRY, THAT IT WAS SILENT – NO SOUND, RIGHT?
1940s, WWII era. No dates were given, but you can guess somewhat.
IN MY NOTES, I HAVE THAT THE CRAFT THAT ROSE FROM THE JUNGLE
IN VIETNAM WAS LIKE THE BENTWATERS CRAFT?
No. It had the same idea with delta shape, but it was like – it’s hard to describe. It was
on the same principal, but much larger. Very big! Smooth and just a green thing rising
up.
SO NO BOXES AND PIPES LIKE WHAT YOU SAW AT BENTWATERS?
No, it was smooth. It had like delta-type things.
YOU MEAN?
Looked kind of like this – maybe I can draw it. This thing just rose straight up in
broad daylight. It was very clear, very good film, and just went out of sight very
slowly. As real as real can be! And the military men are all looking like surprised.
WHY WOULD ANYONE HAVE BEEN FILMING THAT SCENE IN VIETNAM?
I’ve seen tons of Vietnam film. So, someone had a camera because a lot of it looked
like the film was focused on the guys and then the camera just panned. It was out of
focus and then it caught this thing rising. People had 8 mm or 16 mm film.
Bustinza said to me – I mean, we don’t have a UFO supply on base and what would
we have that they can use? And that’s what Bustinza said about parts or something
flown from Germany.”
: “LARRY, WHY DO YOU THINK I WAS TOLD THAT YOU WERE
LEGITIMATE, BUT THAT YOUR STORY WOULD CHANGE BECAUSE YOU
WERE TOLD TO MUDDY THE WATERS OR YOU WOULD BE HURT? THE
IMPLICATION ALWAYS IS THAT PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE HURT IN
THEIR CAREERS OR THROUGH THE IRS OR SOME WAY.
I never was told that, to muddy the waters, ever. My biggest problem with the story
changing is that I had all this information from everyone, including Bustinza.
Obviously, I did not experience everything that happened on that base, but I took it all
with me. And I was the first to come out. I made the mistake of not just dealing with
what happened to me, in which you would have found nothing that deviated. But
under all these different situations that caused a lot of problems, I tried to handle it,
the whole thing.
FROM ADRIAN BUSTINZA.
Bustinza and other things I heard and I tried to put them all out to be sorted out. I said,
‘Some day if it’s wrong, it’s going to come out. People are either going to trust me
enough, or it’s going to destroy my credibility.’ Now, for the most part, it has not
(destroyed my credibility.)
DID YOU EVER GET A DESCRIPTION FROM JOHN BURROUGHS ABOUT
WHAT HE TRIED TO GRAB ON TO?
Oh, no, I never knew that except from Lee Spiegel (NBC) when he talked to Col.
Halt. about grabbing on to something in the forest. What Col. Halt said about me was
all I was concerned with because I figured Col. Halt was giving out disinformation.
He has to! He has no choice – like Barry Greenwood (Citizens Against UFO Secrecy)
said, ‘Col. Halt seems to want to say something.’ Col. Halt said to Lee Spiegel, ‘There
is so much more to this than I can say.’ Something happened to Col. Halt out there
that he can’t talk about.
ONE GOVERNMENT SOURCE SAID IT WAS JOHN BURROUGHS WHO
TRIED TO RUN UP TO THE CRAFT, OR ON IT, WHEN SOMETHING RED
APPEARED.
I don’t endorse aliens, but I know in my heart I saw what I saw. I don’t know where
it’s from. I don’t know why it’s here. And I always believed (in other life), always
did.
The Fatima Connection: Our “Lady of Fatima” is the name given by three children
tending sheep on a Fatima hillside in Portugal to a beautiful woman who appeared to
them in glowing light above a tree. The children assumed the lady was the Virgin
Mary and she first appeared to them on the May 13, 1917, and on the 13th day of each
month thereafter until October 13, 1917. The Lady communicated “secrets of Fatima”
about prophecies and the upcoming end of the world, particularly related to possible
world war and the conversion of Russia away from Communism. The reported
apparitions at Fatima were officially declared “worthy of belief” by the Catholic
Church.
On June 26, 2000, Pope John Paul II released the “Third Secret of Fatima” in which
he said that the May 13, 1981, assassination attempt on his own life by Agca was the
fulfillment of the third Fatima Secret.
The resonance of the assassination attempt with the May 13th Fatima apparitions was
something the Pope always regarded as significant, attributing his survival on May 13,
1981, to the Virgin Mary protecting John Paul. Many critics suspect that the Church
did not provide full disclosure of the third Fatima Secret, believing that it actually
predicted the Apocalypse. While in prison, Agca was reported to have developed an
obsession with the Fatima miracle and during his trial claimed he was the second
coming of Jesus Christ and asked the Vatican to release the whole Third Secret.
On March 31, 2005, just two days prior to Pope John Paul's death, Agca gave an
interview saying “the devil is inside Vatican's wall,” and claimed he had accomplices
inside the Vatican who helped in the assassination attempt.
Agca also said: “Many calculating politicians are worried about what revealing the
complete truth would do. Some of them fear that the Vatican will have a spiritual
collapse like the Berlin Wall. Let me ask: why don't the CIA, the Sismi, the Sisde and
other intelligence agencies reveal the truth about the Orlandi case?”
Emanuela Orlandi, the daughter of a Vatican employee, disappeared at age 15 on June
22, 1983. Anonymous phone calls offered her release in exchange for the release of
Agca. Archbishop Paul Marcinkus was alleged to be part of the Orlandi kidnapping,
although no charges were brought.
Larry Warren: “The religion stuff was quite interesting to Adrian, who was raised
Catholic, but he said it was described much different than we imagine. He was also
told that the military structures were all a game between the U. S. and Russia
corporations that make wars (for money). And you can see it with gas prices going up
again right now (1986). This is a game being played here!
CAN YOU REMEMBER MORE OF WHAT BUSTINZA SAID ABOUT THE
ALIEN COMMUNICATION?
Oh, my God – the most important thing I almost forgot. Adrian told me, ‘They are
coming here! – this is Adrian Bustinza talking – They are among us! You might know
them and there are people on the base who either work with them or are them.’
I asked, ‘How do the aliens look like human beings?’ He said, ‘They do! And the
aliens are in government.’ This really blew my mind – the aliens are in government in
levels beyond the President. The President is nothing, only an ornament like all the
world leaders are ornaments. There are so many things – when I got upgraded
security. Like General Gordon Williams would have a TOP SECRET clearance, I had
a SECRET clearance. They said there were 38 levels above TOP SECRET in the
government – I was told this directly when I was getting my SECRET clearance.
Bustinza told me, ‘The President means nothing and a lot of our government is Them
(aliens). He said they are from something that is dying, having to come here, and they
have been doing it since the 1940s, coming here and getting into society some how.
Something about the mail system and there are underground bases – Plattsburgh, New
York, was named (not far from White Mountains of New Hampshire where Betty and
Barney Hill described a non-human abduction in September 19–20, 1961.) Under a lot
of military bases, there are underground facilities that are massive, apparently. Off of
Florida is one of the biggest underwater/ underground installations. In South America,
the aliens have a massive installation off Peru. The Peruvian government is fully
aware it’s there and they stay away. They don’t mess with it.
OK, LET’S GO BACK TO BUSTINZA. HE SITS DOWN ON THE BED AND
YOU ARE SITTING IN A CHAIR NEAR HIM. HOW DID HE START?
He was crying! He was crying, a grown man crying telling me these things.
HE STARTS OUT CRYING LIKE HE HAD BEEN HOLDING SOMETHING IN?
Yes, it was like so frustrating to him. He said, ‘I want to get out of here. I’m either
going to kill someone or they are going to kill me before it’s over.’ Apparently,
Bustinza pulled a knife on a black Lieutenant (Bonnie Tamplin?) who was pressuring
him about something. He flipped and pulled a knife on her.
BUSTINZA PULLED A KNIFE ON A BLACK LIEUTENANT?
Yes, he told me this.
THE LIEUTENANT WAS PRESSURING BUSTINZA TO KEEP QUIET?
Something. I don’t recall. I’ve told you all I remember about that conversation. There
was so much to it. It was emotionally charged and Adrian even had me on the border
of tears because after having the experience (in Rendlesham Forest), Adrian is laying
on to me that I’m sitting on top of an alien base here on Earth (that RAF
Bentwaters/Woodbridge would be the surface above an underground, non-human-
controlled base). I had no reason to disbelieve that the aliens are here.
Adrian told me exactly where the underground facility is (near RAF Bentwaters). I
told Larry Fawcett, ‘I have to fess up here – I did not experience the underground
facility firsthand. It was Bustinza’s story.’ Larry Fawcett said, ‘OK.’
I UNDERSTAND. PLEASE CONTINUE MORE WITH WHAT ADRIAN
BUSTINZA TOLD YOU.
OK, it hit religion, especially about the aliens coming into society somehow and they
are doing something – I don’t know if they are taking over, but they have identities
taken care of by the governments of the world – and something about Third World
countries are almost insignificant.
SO WHAT IS THE GAME BEING PLAYED BETWEEN THE UNITED STATES
AND THE SOVIET UNION THROUGH THE NON-HUMAN ALIENS?
The Soviet Union has had major catastrophes with these (alien) things. Some of them
(aliens) dislike the Soviet Union a great deal. Others like the Soviets and some deal
with them - are those the maggots of the space races?
Adrian said he was told there are hundreds, thousands of other alien races that have
come here through the centuries - millions of years - and have always been here,
much longer than we humans have. And we are the genetic descent of them or of
something the aliens have had to do with. I went to Egypt and had the experience of
seeing the pyramids. The Egyptians believe the pyramids were built by
extraterrestrials. But all the science books I read in school said the stones were rolled
on sticks. But those stones are huge!
I got to Egypt under a strange circumstances as well. I got orders cut for me just after
Adrian told me about his underground experience. I got orders cut for Italy. They
said, ‘You’re going to go TDY for a month.’ We got on a plane late one night in a
group of ten or eleven security police. We stopped in Germany, picked up some more
security guys in a C-130, and then flew off to Italy. When we were at Aviano AFB
(northeast of Milan), we flew to Athens, Greece. Then we flew from Athens to
Turkey where we picked up things. Then we flew from Turkey to Ben Gurion Airport
in Israel and then flew into Cairo.
We were driven a long way out to this area and had tents pitched. There was a huge
radar tower coming out of the middle of nowhere and a huge mountain range so
heavily armed and fortified and had nuclear weapons in it – it was amazing! With my
SECRET clearance, whatever this place was, I never found out. We had to do
communications work there and some security. We worked with some Egyptian
security that did perimeter, but none of us ever got to go in. There was a tunnel carved
out like Strategic Air Command (SAC) in Cheyenne Mountain, Colorado Springs,
Colorado. That tunnel was in Egypt - connected to a big underground. This facility
was so massive that I was told it was larger than the state of New York underground!
It was so tight under security forces that if any security guy fell asleep on duty there,
the security police will be shot by their own superiors. Those people take care only of
exterior security. You would never get inside. I saw a few people come out of the
facility. In the mountains, you could see like glass in the crevices and every now and
then you would see a person walk by where the mountain is very high up. (laughs) It
was very high tech and very strange!
These tunnels were in the middle of nowhere and there were no visible electric power
towers nearby. Adrian said the Exxon and British Petroleum TV commercial
campaigns were done to keep the public and media away from seismic disturbances
(during construction of massive underground tunnels in the U. K.).
I went into this place that was dug out of a mountain like a palace and when you went
into it, there were all these pictures on the walls.
WAS IT IN LUXOR, THE VALLEY OF THE KINGS?
Yes, the Valley of the Kings. I’m going along narrow path with rails along side with
the paintings on the walls and here is this part and our guide said, ‘There are a lot of
spirits in the pyramids. Don’t take photographs, Larry, with your flash because that
damages the paintings on the walls.’ Everyone did it anyway! Adrian was with me
there. I had a 110 camera. Adrian had a real nice camera.
ADRIAN BUSTINZA WENT WITH YOU TO EGYPT?
Yes, he was with me. I picked up my camera and started snapping pictures. Every
time everyone picked up their camera to take pictures, it looked like a hand was put
over your lens. Everyone was looking around at each other and looking at their
cameras and put the cameras up again to take a picture. Same thing – the hand – all
the time in a certain area.
Then we got to this place where there was a dog with pointed ears, black. And the
tour guide says, ‘That means death.’ I took a picture real quick with the flash. I didn’t
know if it would come out. I had the photograph checked by a photography expert and
he couldn’t explain it. You see it getting dark just until the dog’s head is there and it is
dark all around it. That was the only picture that did that effect.
WHEN DID YOU AND BUSTINZA GO TO EGYPT?
In March 1981, the third month after all the stuff happened in Rendlesham Forest.
WAS IT IN EGYPT THAT BUSTINZA BROKE DOWN TO TELL YOU ABOUT
THE UNDERGROUND INSTALLATION AT BENTWATERS?
No, we had just gotten back at the end of March or early April 1981. In Egypt, we
never talked about anything, we just had a good time. But our Egyptian guide told us
in the little pyramid museum there, ‘You might have heard in school that the
pyramids were built by rolling stones on logs. The actual fact is that the pyramids
were mined (stones cut out) 300 miles from here. At that time, there were three big
rivers each the width of the Hudson River that the builders would have to have
crossed coming back from that stone quarry to get to where the pyramids are now
standing. The stones were cut with laser precision and there are no chisel marks.
There weren’t enough trees to roll the big blocks of stone and if they built sand up
like they say, the guide said the makers would still be building the pyramids!
A GOVERNMENT GUY I’VE TALKED TO SAID THE PYRAMIDS WERE
BUILT BY THE GREY NON-HUMANS.
It had to be by somebody else, not us humans! No way!
WHAT ARE THE PYRAMIDS REALLY FOR?
We were at the pyramids at night and if you stand there in the center between all three
of them (Giza) – there are two smaller ones and the one big one (Cheops) – there are
three bright stars that match up with each one. And in the center is the constellation
Pleiades. Now, I’ve been told that some of the aliens come from the Pleiades.
DURING ALL THAT TIME IN EGYPT, ADRIAN BUSTINZA NEVER SAID
ANYTHING TO YOU UNTIL YOU GOT BACK?
No, he didn't.
OK, HE’S SITTING ACROSS FROM YOU ON THE BED. WAS RELIGION THE
VERY FIRST THING HE TALKED ABOUT?
I don’t remember the order.
WHAT WAS IT ABOUT THE POPE?
I don’t know. There was something about the Pope and that they have something at
the Vatican. They know exactly what it is and it would destroy religion. Adrian said
there were predictions made and they have all come true. There was a last prediction
that will not be shown to the public. We know that Pope Pius saw something in 1960
and said, ‘Oh, lock that stuff up!’
FATIMA?
I don’t know. All the Popes see whatever it is, but they won’t release it. Whatever it
is, it destroys religion.
DID HE TALK ABOUT THE ALIENS HAVING MADE CHRIST?
Not so much making Christ, but he said Christ had dealings with the aliens. Christ
didn’t have a jet to get around on and yet he was supposed to be in China and England
and other places.
WHAT MORE DO YOU REMEMBER BUSTINZA SAYING ABOUT OUR
GOVERNMENT?
He said the government isn’t real as we see it. The president of the United States isn’t
real (not real power). These aliens control everything and the human leaders just
answer to whoever. There are people or aliens way above. The president just does his
job like a janitor, really.
Ben Jamison: Did Adrian say why the aliens are doing all this?
Warren: I don’t know if Adrian said it was for good or for bad. And that’s why I was
kind of scared after the conversation. I knew one thing – I wanted to get the hell off
that base!”
: “DID YOU ASK HIM WHAT WAS THE ALIEN BEHIND THE LIGHTED
SCRIM TALKING TO YOU FOR?
Adrian Bustinza never said it was an alien behind the lighted scrim underground, but
it was his impression that it was.
WHAT WAS THE THING BEHIND THE SCREEN TALKING TO YOU FOR?
WHAT DID ADRIAN SAY?
The thing was talking to everyone in the room at the same time (telepathically), but
individually inside each mind. Explain that! And Adrian said he could not turn his
head side-to-side. But that’s really all I remember. That’s why I took enough of it, the
main parts and as you said coming into society, I had forgotten that was the main
point of the whole thing. Evolution.
WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OF HUMANS TO THE
ALIENS? ANYTHING ABOUT THE ALIENS MADE US?
Yeah, basically that we were from them. That’s what Adrian said.
UNDERNEATH IN ALL THESE BASES, THE REALITY BETWEEN HUMAN
AND ALIEN COMMUNICATION OF WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE EARTH
IS HAPPENING BELOW GROUND AND NOT ON THE SURFACE WE JUST
PLAY OUT SO-CALLED HUMAN EXISTENCE?
Our military bases are like a decoy – like a big staged play. I don’t know how or why.
I don’t really want to get into this because it wasn’t me really. It was Adrian’s
experience and I’m just repeating. Adrian said that if it were all found out, the bases
(human? alien?) can be gone like a snap of fingers. What he meant, I don’t know. I
asked him, ‘You mean blown up?’ Adrian just said, ‘Gone. You wouldn’t see them.’
Maybe England is a UFO itself?! Who knows? I don’t know. That was it – just mind
blowing stuff. If I had never had a UFO experience and someone told me that stuff, I
would have said, ‘No way!’ But we have so many surface problems on Earth to deal
with and I guess this – underground? – is their home, their bases.
BUT IF THE ALIENS ARE CONTROLLING EVERYTHING ON EARTH, TO
WHAT END? IF THE ALIENS ARE WALKING AMONG US DISGUISED AS
HUMANS, YOU DON’T REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID ABOUT WHY?
Adrian said what it’s all about, but I don’t remember if it is good or bad. I can’t
remember. If it was a good reason they are here or a negative reason. I don’t
remember. But I remember leaving that conversation angry and frightened, so I’m
sure it probably wasn’t good. I don’t know. But it all seems like games – the humans
and their little games in the government as we call them play games. People die in the
mean time. Adrian also said that water was an attraction, a necessity, but I don’t know
why. Water is a big deal.
AND THE FACT THAT THE ALIENS SEEM TO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH
EITHER DYING OR WEAKNESS?
Well, I think if they are coming here and wanting to stay – this one race or whatever –
then they have a problem somewhere. Adrian told me something about their planet is
gone or blew up or something like that and the aliens – they have massive ships and
they are on the moon and everywhere! But there are different races of aliens,
including enemies. I told Adrian, ‘This sounds like Buck Rogers.’ But I had to believe
him. I don’t know if I do now. I don’t know. It’s very big!
ONE OF THE SCENARIOS I HAVE BEEN TOLD BY A NEW JERSEY
SCIENTIST WHO WAS ABDUCTED IN 1982 IS THAT THE ALIEN SAGA IS
MUCH OLDER THAN OUR SOLAR SYSTEM’S AGE. THEIR ORIGINAL SUN
SUPERNOVAED AFTER THE ALIENS WERE ADVANCED ENOUGH TO
BUILD TECHNOLOGY TO ESCAPE THEIR HOME PLANET.
BUT THEIR PROBLEM IS THAT SOMETHING HAPPENED IN THE
EVOLUTION OF THEIR BIOLOGY. THE SCIENTIST SAYS THAT THE
ALIENS TOLD HIM THERE IS A BELL-SHAPED CURVE TO THE
EVOLUTION OF DNA, SO THAT EVENTUAL DECLINE AND
DETERIORATION OF DNA IS GUARANTEED. AND NOW THE NON-
HUMANS ARE TRYING TO CREATE OTHER KINDS OF BIOLOGICAL
CONTAINERS THAT CAN TAKE ON THEIR SPIRITUAL ENTITIES, THEIR
ESSENCE, TO CARRY ON BECAUSE THEY KNOW THEIR BIOLOGY IS
DESTINED FOR EXTINCTION. THUS, THIS IS A STORY OF RESURRECTION
THROUGH OTHER LIFE FORMS.
Ben Jamison: That might explain the abduction of people who have a higher form of
consciousness that other humans don’t have. The abductees are the people being
shepherded through. You get this through Philip K. Dick was working through
something like this before he died.
[ Editor’s Note: Wikipedia - Philip Kindred Dick (December 16, 1928 – March 2,
1982) was an American novelist, short story writer and essayist whose published
work during his lifetime was almost entirely in the science fiction genre. In his later
works, Dick's thematic focus strongly reflected his personal interest in metaphysics
and theology. The novel The Man in the High Castleconcerned alternate history and
earned a Hugo Award for Best Novel in 1963.Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said
was a novel about a celebrity who woke up in a parallel universe won the John
Campbell Memorial Award for best novel in 1975.
Dick wrote of these stories, “In my writing, I even question the universe; I wonder out
loud if it is real, and I wonder out loud if all of us are real?”
On February 20, 1974, Dick was recovering from the effects of sodium pentothal
administered for the extraction of an impacted wisdom tooth. Answering the door to
receive delivery of extra analgesic, he noticed that the delivery woman was wearing a
pendant with a symbol that Dick called the "vesicle pisces" (correct term would have
been Vesica pisces). This name seems to have been based on his confusion of two
related symbols, the ichthys (two intersecting arcs delineating a fish in profile) that
early Christians used as a secret symbol, and the Vesica piscis, a shape that is the
intersection of two circles with the same radius, intersecting in such a way that the
center of each circle lies on the circumference of the other. The name literally means
the “bladder of a fish” in Latin.
After the delivery woman's departure, Dick began experiencing strange visions.
Although they may have been initially attributable to the medication, after weeks of
visions he considered this explanation implausible. “I experienced an invasion of my
mind by a transcendentally rational mind, as if I had been insane all my life and
suddenly I had become sane.” Throughout February and March 1974, he experienced
a series of visions, which he referred to as “two-three-seventy four” (2-3-74),
shorthand for February-March 1974. He described the initial visions as laser beams
and geometric patterns and occasionally brief pictures of Jesus and of ancient Rome.
As the visions increased in length and frequency, Dick claimed he began to live a
double life, one as himself, “Philip K. Dick,” and one as “Thomas,” a Christian
persecuted by Romans in the 1st century A.D. ]
THE SCIENTIST ABDUCTEE SAYS THERE WILL BE A REAPING ON EARTH
THAT HUMANS WILL INTERPRET TO BE A NATURAL CATACLYSM. HE
PROJECTED THAT ONE-THIRD OF EARTH LIFE WILL BE WIPED OUT, ONE-
THIRD WILL REMAIN AND ONE-THIRD WILL BE TAKEN AWAY BY THE
ALIENS - A KIND OF REVELATIONS STORY. SEVERAL ABDUCTEES HAVE
VARIATIONS ON THIS THEME.
Warren: Well, I don’t think I’m an abductee.
Howe: WHAT IF ADRIAN BUSTINZA WAS ABDUCTED?
Warren: But think for a minute – what if none of what Adrian told me is true.
Ben Jamison: Yes, since 1984, I have been casting around to see if I could find
information to corroborate what you told me about Bustinza and there seems to be
more and more about cooperating with the aliens. I decided the governments can
never release this information because they can’t say they are cooperating with aliens
and letting our people be abducted.
Howe: THE MUTILATIONS OF ANIMALS ALLEGEDLY ARE PART OF THE
HARVESTING OF GENETIC MATERIAL TO CREATE HUMANOIDS OR
ANDROIDS. THAT’S PART OF THE SCIENTIST’S STORY – THAT THE
ALIENS CAN WALK AMONG US DISGUISED IN HUMAN CONTAINER
BODIES.
Warren: Have you ever seen the real mutilated animal bodies?
Howe: SURE – DOZENS OF THEM. THE FIRST THING THAT HITS YOU IS
HOW PERFECT THE ANIMALS ARE LYING THERE, BLOODLESS, CLEAN
EXCISIONS. THERE IS NO SIGNS OF VIOLENCE. YOU ARE LOOKING AT
ANIMALS THAT HAVE COOKIE CUTTER EXCISIONS AROUND AN EAR,
EYE, JAW FLESH, TONGUE, THE GENITALS AND THE RECTUMS ARE
CORED OUT.
Warren: Well, I always hear your name when it comes to animal mutilation research.
Have you ever heard of people mutilated?
Howe: I have received several anecdotes without proof. There have been reports from
Texas and Canada of women discovered with one breast cleanly and bloodlessly
removed. The Canadian case was supposed to involve some Royal Canadian Mounted
Police that came upon a car parked on the side of a road. The motor was still running,
I think. The woman behind the wheel was wearing an expensive tweed suit with nice
jewelry. She was dead. When authorities had her examined, it was discovered that her
left breast had been removed beneath her still-intact bra. Here left eye, I think, was
also removed like animal mutilations. But when I tried to get proof - a pathology
report or any forensic confirmation from authorities - I ran into brick walls.
I've run into the same stonewalling with coroners offices in some other cases. But I
think it's possible that Homo sapiens generally is off limits in the global mutilation of
animals because humans are some kind of valuable experiment of the aliens.
The non-humans have something serious at stake in what they are doing here on
Earth. Human survival is somehow of crucial importance to whatever the alien agenda
is - according to the New Jersey scientist who was abducted. I think when we started
exploding atomic bombs in 1945, we were going to hurt the alien experiment and
provoked all kinds of attention in the first UFO flaps. And I think it's pretty clear from
events at Malmstrom AFB in Great Falls, Montana, and Minot AFB in Minot, North
dakota, that the aliens can interfere with our nuclear missiles and selectively
manipulate targeting information - as described in Minutemen nuclear missiles 80 feet
underground beneath thick cement.
Warren: What happened at RAF Bentwaters seems like a dream. Sometimes I ask
myself, ‘Did this really happen?’
Howe: I would so much like to talk with Adrian Bustinza. Where is he now?
Warren: You'll never reach him, but his family lives in Texas. He works in a
correctional facility or something. He doesn't want anyone to bother him because he
has a government job. Chuck De Caro (former 1984 CNN investigative reporter) said
Adrian is really shook up.
Larry Fawcett inquired some military place for information about me and Bustinza.
Fawcett got a card back from the government from whatever agency he was using to
trace military people and the reply on both Adrian and me was there were no records
of either of us in the USAF.
Jamison: I know someone who talked to Bustinza's parents about organizing a
congressional hearing on the Bentwaters incident and the parents said there would be
absolutely nothing unless it's White House orders because it's too big for a
congressional committee.
Howe: In some ways, you begin to feel like that if we are for the first time as a
species becoming conscious of the truth of our makers and experimenters, it's almost
as if there is a strange branch in human evolution in which we either become fighters
against our keepers? Or we make some exponential leap that is going to throw all of
our religious and sociological and biological precepts right out the window? But there
are parts of this planet that won't accept other life forms no matter what - it will be
Evil. So what does it all mean? If the White House made the announcement
tomorrow, some will say the United States is lying and others will say we are all evil
and the world keeps going on in irrational conflicts. So, unless the extraterrestrial
biological entities themselves make their presence known in a powerful way such as
their aerial craft all around Earth and everybody has to look at the skies.
Warren: It's the only way!
Howe: That's right.And one other thing, did Adrian Bustinza suggest a connection
between the appearance of UFOs and wars?
Warren: I remember Adrian said there will never again be a war with the Soviet
Union directly. He said war would only be indirectly through Third World countries.
How Adrian said that specifically and how it fit in, I don't know. But it's all set up that
way (like a game?) Just Third World countries - let them fight it out. We support and
the Soviets support.
Howe: So the skirmishes stay smaller and more contained? Adrian's telling you that
wars are allowed for human entertainment?
Warren: Maybe because war keeps people in fear. I don't think most people want
war. But I don't remember Adrian saying - I've never gotten on where these beings are
from or who they are. I just saw something in Rendlesham.
Jamison: Maybe American authorities have been told the Greys support the
Americans and the Swedes (blond aliens) are the bad guys who deal with the
Russians. But maybe it's the other way around - maybe the Russians are told the
Greys support them and the Swedes are the bad guys and they are supporting the
Americans.
What technology could governments have for mind-bending, especially cooperating
with UFOs. You can't trust government informants. You couldn't trust Bustinza's
story by itself. You couldn't trust your story by itself. My skin began to creep when
you said you heard, ‘I want you to see this paper’ and he sat you in a special chair in a
special location. Well, it might not have been recording. There is one aspect of mind
control that just fascinated government types for about 30 years and that is
influencing people from a distance or through casual contact. And now we have
human abductee stories that sometimes seem to be in line with this mind control
scenario.
And now you are describing our science friend from New Jersey coming up with
similar stories.
Linda: Yes, it is fascinating. He and I have talked about his consciously being aware
that his body and some other part of himself split in two and he described seeing his
body in the car, but he was simultaneously traveling above the round craft and
descending inside of it where the several grey beings were waiting and fixed his heart.
It's a very complex story, including the evolutionary problem of a very ancient race of
other beings.
Now he says he was shocked at the idea there could be a bell-shaped curve to the
evolution of DNA. He said the aliens communicated it was only because their
civilization had evolved for so long that they finally reached a point where the aliens
could see that there was some kind of mathematical restriction to the continuation of
their DNA.
Then there was a Spanish abductee I met who said she saw a hologram aboard an
alien craft that showed our Earth when it was covered by molten red lava and then lots
of scenes as the planet evolved up to dinosaurs. Then she was shown that the Grey
aliens somehow transported different types of dinosaurs off Earth before some kind of
destruction and that dinosaurs are preserved on a whole planet somewhere like we
would preserve animals in a zoo. She had the impression that the Grey types revere
the diversity of life forms and keep all life forms somehow going on a planet or
different planets? Throughout the abduction literature, pieces of a similar odd story
emerge. And it's a huge, sad story - a motive to survive that I as a human can
understand that if we humans were faced with our sun going into supernova and we
could get off Earth, there would still be longing to perpetuate life again where the
dying sun had once been.
Jamison: Chromosomal structure is constantly changing. The germ plasma that goes
on and on probably becomes fatally flawed as a function of time.
Howe: Larry, another subject I should ask you about came to me from a retired
military man who knew about a Colonel who stayed with the first captured, live, grey
alien at Los Alamos between 1949 and 1952. He said that the alien communicated
that reincarnation is real, that the cycling of souls is the machinery of the universe. If
reincarnation is real and souls are recycled and aliens are controlling this planet
because they have some huge experiment going on, are they in control of our soul
recycling?
In that alleged briefing paper for the President of the United States I was shown at
Kirtland AFB Office of Special Investigations on April 9, 1983, there was a paragraph
that said two thousand years ago these extraterrestrials created a being in human form
to be placed on this planet to teach humans about love and non-violence.
If the aliens interacting with Earth can create human body containers, and you have
the Jesus Christ story that says there is life after death, that means there really is
another dimension beyond this biological life. The implication was the aliens
produced a theatrical production with Christ on a cross to have him killed in front of
lots of people and then later walked among some people who recognized him and
said, ‘That's Jesus!’ If that was alien theater, the implication is the aliens had already
experimented with the Homo sapiens body in their light beam technology that can do
all kinds of transporting and even healing. That's one of the Los Alamos stories that
the alien there got sick and asked our government to contact his civilization some how
so he could be put in one of the light beams to be healed - a kind of resurrection
technology. Like Spielberg's E.T. film.
And talking about TOP SECRET technology that you said might be related to RAF
Bentwaters that might be of interest to the aliens, are you talking about nuclear
weapons?
Warren: Yes, nuclear weapons at RAF Bentwaters. Now, when I was in England, that
was taboo to talk about. We weren't supposed to have nukes there, but through
arrangements with the British government, we had them there. The British population
hates nuclear weapons, didn't want them and I can't blame them. Nuclear weapons
were already there at Bentwaters, which is why we had the Hot Row weapons storage
area! We used to tell the English contractors when they came in and asked, ‘What do
you keep inside those Weapons Storage Areas (WSA)?' And we were supposed to tell
them, ‘We keep a big cork there and if people ask too many questions, we're going to
pull it and sink England.’
Howe: In terms of political control, do you remember anything Bustinza said about
any Earth wars, like WWII, the Korean War, other being related?
Warren: No, I don't remember if Adrian did.
Howe: The Pope?
Warren: Something about the Pope and about religion and the average folk don't
know anything! But Adrian said the aliens are here and they are in control. But for
some reason, as you said, the aliens are allowing humans to do their thing.
Howe: Perhaps the goal is to maintain a more virile biology, us human creations,
while they refine us to become more like them. That would imply that inside humans
there is a duality that we feel intuitively about it all. If the whole point of religions is
to try to homogenize humans and make us all the same and think the same and be the
same, something in the essence of Homo sapiens always fights to be separate and
apart as an individual. The aliens are supposed to be much more hive-minded than
humans. Humans are somehow the opposite of that, even if we are supposed to be an
alien creation.”