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Understanding differences between Audi A4 clusters and
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01052011, 01:28 PM #1
audifirst Understanding differences between Audi A4 clusters and the compatibility issues
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Disclaimer. The information on this post is for informational purposes only.
Join Date: Jan 2001 This post and all of the information it contains are provided 'as is' without
Location: Toronto warranty of any kind, whether express or implied.
Posts: 4,020 The wiring information was taken from "Bentley Publishers CD and Hardcover
copy", there may be omissions or inaccuracies in information contained in this
post. Before making any decision or taking any action based on the information
contained in this Post, you should double/triple check information regards to the
vehicle you service.
If you found that the information is inaccurate and you have found the solution
post it up and I will update the post.
*updated May 01, 2012* additional information provided by MetalMan
Couple people ask me if I can show the difference between instrument clusters
from 1996 to 2001.5
X
The photo below shows all 3 instrument clusters from 1996 to 2001.5 with Full
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size LCD, some models didn't come with LCD screen because of the package
was not selected during order back then.
Here is the back of the instrument clusters.
You can see the difference between all the clusters the cluster 1 is CDN or
European but MPH is identical except speedometer is in MPH the other two are
MPH clusters I had,
Cluster 1 was installed in 1996 and 1997 Audi A4 early models , no
immobilizer the most visible difference is if you look at the analog clock has no
digits at 3, 6, 9, at 12 o'clock comparing to cluster 2
Cluster 2 was installed in 1998 to 1999.5 Audi A4 models, , you could swap
cluster between these years with no issues, no immobilizer.
Cluster 3 was installed in 2000 to 2001.5 Audi A4 models,some 99.5's with VIN
> 8DY000001 had cluster with digital clock, the main difference was the analog
clock was replaced with digital clock to match the mileage LCD, and in late
2001 immobilizer was added to system
NOW COMPATIBILITY
Legend
Cluster 1 is 19961997 (no immobilizer, no CanBus)
Cluster 2 is 19981999.5 (no immobilizer, no CanBus)
Cluster 3 is 2000 to 2001.5 (00 had no immobilizer but CanBus was
introduced, 01+ had Immobilizer and CanBus)
Cluster 2, and cluster 3 can not fit directly into cluster 1, because cluster 1
has different plugs , in order to fit you need to buy new plugs and new pins and
rewire some connection.,
I know two people who proceed with this conversion one did the cluster 2 to
cluster 1 and had partially working cluster,
all the gauges were working however compatibility was an issue and error code
were reported cluster did not understand modules in the car, other did cluster
3 to cluster 1 and had only partial success two gauges were working , all the
lights were lit up like Christmas tree .
Cluster 3 can be installed into cluster 2 however some rewiring is required to
both blue and green plugs and the middle plug from cluster 3 doesn't fit
cluster 2 which you need to rewire as well,
regards to immobilizer on some early 2001 clusters this feature can not be
disabled in the instrument cluster the little car key will flash some people cover
it with electrical tape, but it will beep at start up for 3 seconds.
Also Can Bus was introduced in some early 2000+ models which meant that
vehicle in 19981999 didn't have canbus and some clusters from 20012001.5
didn't work the tachometer or speedometer was not functional
If you really want to have digital clock in 19981999 A4 model try to get 1999.5
to 2000 instrument cluster that don't have immobilizer or CanBus requirement.
Cluster 3 with immobilizer will work in early cluster 3 however immobilizer
light will be present during start and will flash continuously and it will beep for
3 seconds during start up.
If your car came originally without center LCD , you can swap the cluster with
LCD however in order to change menus you need to buy new wiper arm with
switch and wiring and add wires between the cluster and wiper arm
you will need the wiper control arm that has a switch at the end wiper arm to
change menus on center LCD
for 1996 to 1997 Cluster 1
you need wiper arm
part# 8D9 953 503 A (sedan)
part# 8D9 953 503 C (Avant)
for 1998 to 2001.5 Cluster 2, and Cluster 3
Part# 4D0 953 503 B (sedan)
part# 8D0 953 503 D (Avant)
There are 3/4 sets of wires required for wiper arm control harness plug and for
the instrument cluster harness plug for the Grey Connector on
Cluster 3, and red connector of Cluster 2 , black connector on cluster 1
I recommend to buy wires from Audi/VW dealer
On cluster 1
You need to insert wires into black 20 pin connector on instrument cluster and
to 6 pin harness plug on the wiper arm
Black connector Pin 11 to wiper arm pin 1
Black connector Pin 14 to wiper arm pin 3
Black connector Pin 18 to wiper arm pin 4
Pin 2 on the wiper arm is ground
Pins 5, 6 are not used
On cluster 2
added a wire between the longer ECU connector, pin 17 (yellow wire), to pin 1
on the RED instrument cluster connector
grounded pins 9, 16, 19 on the RED instrument cluster connector since I don't
need bulb out warnings or low washer fluid warning (this worked)
You need to insert wires into red 20 pin connector on instrument cluster and to
6 pin harness plug on the wiper arm
Red connector Pin 18 to wiper arm pin 1
Red connector Pin 14 to wiper arm pin 2
Red connector Pin 11 to wiper arm pin 4
Pin 3 on the wiper arm is ground , I just made a short segment and connected
it to the wire coming off Pin 5
Pin 5: ground for the intermittent wiper selector on top of the wiper arm
Pin 6: feedback wire for position of the intermittent wiper selector
For people who have a noLCD cluster, pins 5 and 6 on the wiper arm will
already exist, and they are supposed to exist while using the LCD cluster too.
They should not be removed.
Cluster 3
you need to insert wires into Grey connector on the instrument cluster and to 6
pin harness plug on the wiper arm
Grey Connector pin 17 to wiper arm pin 4
Grey Connector pin 18 to wiper arm pin 3
Grey Connector pin 19 to wiper arm pin 1
Pin 2 on the wiper arm is ground
Pins 5, 6 are not used
How do I know if my cluster has immobilizer ?
Click the image to open in full size.
Answer regards Color LCD
Here are Pin out for clusters with Full Size LCD
cluster 1
26Pin Connector, Blue
1 Open
2 Signal for buzzer
3 Terminal 15
4 Terminal 15
5 Open
6 Terminal 61
7 Parking brake/brake system malfunction
8 ABS (input signal)
9 Airbag (input signal)
10 CAT
11 Open
12 Open
13 Parking light, right
14 Ignition switch, Scontact
15 Chime signal
16 Open
17 Open
18 Oil pressure 1.8 bar
19 Terminal 58d
20 Coolant level
21 Turn signal, right
22 Headlight high beams
23 Speedometer Vehicle Speed Sensor (VSS) (checking → Chapter)
24 Brake fluid
25 Brake pads
26 Parking light, left
26Pin Connector, Yellow
1 Terminal 58
2 Terminal 58
3 Engine RPM signal
4 Air conditioner compressor
5 Clock (output)
6 Speed signal 1
7 Speed signal 2
8 Door contact (driver's door)
9 Terminal 30
10 Terminal 30
11 Open
12 Fuel tank warning
13 Turn signal, left
14 Open
15 Open
16 Seat belt buckle switch
17 Open
18 Terminal 31
19 Terminal 31
20 Diagnostic wire
21 Open
22 Open
23 Open
24 Open
25 Sender for fuel gauge
26 Engine coolant temperature sensor
20Pin Connector, Black
1 Fuel consumption signal
2 Open
3 Open
4 Open
5 Outside air temperature
6 Selector lever display
7 Open
8 Open
9 Coolant level
10 Hydraulic pressure
11 Trip computer Reset
12 Radio/Telephone Clock
13 Radio/Telephone Data
14 Trip computer (forward sequence)
15 Radio/Telephone Enable
16 Rear lights/headlight low beams
17 Open
18 Trip computer (reverse sequence)
19 Brake lights
20 Open
4Pin Connector, Black
1 Oil temperature sensor
2 Open
3 Open
4 Open
cluster 2
32Pin Connector for Basic Functions, Blue
1 Terminal 15
2 Turn signal, right
3 Speedometer output 1
4 Open
5 Sender for fuel gauge
6 Airbag
7 Terminal 31 sensor Ground (GND)
8 Coolant temperature
9 Terminal 31 load Ground (GND)
10 Oil pressure switch
11 Engine speed (RPM) signal
12 Terminal 61
13 CAT
14 Self leveling suspension
15 Terminal 58d
16 Malfunction Indicator Lamp (MIL)
17 High beam
18 Turn signal, left
19 ABS
20 Terminal 58s
21 Door contact (driver's door)
22 Engine coolant low
23 Terminal 30
24 Terminal 31 load Ground (GND)
25 Kwire
26 Parking light, right
27 Parking light, left
28 Speedometer (input)
29 Brake fluid level/pressure
30 Scontact
31 Seat belt buckle
32 Electronic Stability Program (ESP)
32Pin Connector for Additional Functions, Green
1 Open
2 Open
3 Open
4 Open
5 Wwire
6 Tailgate (Lowline model only)
7 Brake pad (Highline model only)
8 Input for outside buzzer control (currently not assigned)
9 Input for outside chime control (currently not assigned)
10 Low fuel level warningoutput signal for Engine Control Module (ECM)
11 Standing time output
12 Air conditioning cutout
13 Parking brake
14 Electronic throttle
15 Side marker light
16 Open
17 Open
18 Open
19 Open
20 Open
21 Oil temperature
22 Open
23 Open
24 Open
25 Open
26 Open
27 Open
28 Open
29 Open
30 Speedometer output 2
31 Open
32 Open
20Pin Connector for MultiFunction Display, Red
1 Fuel consumption signal
2 Open
3 Open
4 Open
5 Outside air temperature
6 Selector lever display
7 Open
8 Open
9 Washer fluid
10 Hydraulic pressure
11 Trip computer reset
12 Clock signal for radio frequency display
13 Data signal for radio frequency display
14 Trip computer (forward sequence)
15 Enable signal for radio frequency display
16 Tail lights/headlight low beam (indicator lights)
17 Open
18 Trip computer (reverse sequence)
19 Brake lights
20 Open
Cluster 3
Blue 32Pin MultiPin Connector for Basic Functions
1 Terminal 15
2 Brake pad wear
3 Tachometer output 1
4 not occupied
5 Tank sensor
6 Tank warning OBD 2
7 Terminal 31 (sensor Ground (GND))
8 Coolant temperature
9 Terminal 31 (load Ground (GND))
10 Oil pressure 2 (high)
11 RPM signal
12 A/C shutoff
13 EGas/glow plug control
14 Level control
15 Terminal 58d
16 Trailer turn signal
17 High beam
18 Left turn signal
19 not occupied
20 Terminal 58s
21 Driver door contact
22 Low coolant
23 Terminal 30
24 Terminal 31 (load Ground (GND))
25 Consumption signal
26 Right parking light
27 Left parking light
28 Tachometer input
29 Brake
30 Scontact
31 Tachometer output 2
32 ESP/ASR
Green 32Pin MultiPin Connector for Auxiliary Functions
1 Door contact (all doors)
2 Transponder 1
3 not occupied
4 not occupied
5 Wwire
6 Tailgate
7 Right turn signal
8 External buzzer
9 External gong
10 Airbag
11 Standstill time output
12 Terminal 61
13 Parking brake/BRAKE
14 CHECK
15 Oil level/oil temperature
16 not occupied
17 Transponder 2
18 CAN high speed (powertrain) (high +)
19 CAN high speed (powertrain) (low )
20 CAN high speed (powertrain) (screen)
21 ABS
22 CAN low speed (comfort) (high +)
23 CAN low speed (comfort) (low )
24 CAN low speed (comfort) (screen)
25 Engine lid
26 not occupied
27 Belt buckle
28 Kwire
29 Outside temperature input
30 not occupied
31 Selector range display
32 not occupied
Gray 32Pin MultiPin Connector for MultiFunction Display
1 Menu selection switch (menu)
2 Menu selection switch (out A)
3 Menu selection switch (out B)
4 Menu selection switch (Enter)
5 CAN high speed display (high +)
6 CAN high speed display (low )
7 CAN high speed display (screen)
8 Passenger door contact
9 Right rear door contact
10 Left rear door contact
11 Enable
12 Clock
13 Data
14 Brake light
15 Windshield washer fluid level
16 Rear lights/low beams
17 Left board computer
18 Right board computer
19 Board computer, reset
20 not occupied
21 not occupied
22 not occupied
23 Button branch 1 navigation
24 Button branch 2 navigation
25 Button branch Telematic
26 not occupied
27 not occupied
28 not occupied
29 not occupied
30 not occupied
31 not occupied
32 not occupied
Wiper Switch Pin, Terminal Assignments
A 6pin connector
1 Board computer, reset
2 Board computer, Terminal 31
3 Board computer, right rocker switch
4 Board computer, left rocker switch
5 open
6 open
B 13pin harness connector
1 Wiper switch, terminal J
2 Wiper switch, terminal 53 c
3 Emergency light (hazard light) switch, terminal R
4 Wiper switch, terminal 53 b
5 Wiper switch, terminal 53 a
6 Emergency light (hazard light) switch, terminal L
7 Emergency light (hazard light) switch, terminal 49 a
8 Wiper switch, terminal 53 e
9 Wiper switch, terminal 53
If you have questions please post them here and I will answer them to best of
my ability.
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01052011, 03:25 PM #2
Reggie
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Many thanks
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01052011, 04:48 PM #3
Bronco Joe
AudiWorld Member I've actually got an early 98 (30v but also has side airbags) and it has cluster
#1. As far as I know it's never been switched and I have complete records (I'm
Join Date: Dec 2007 the second owner). So, perhaps a few '98s got the first cluster as well?
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01052011, 05:05 PM #4
moloveshisaudi1254
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That is the best Instrument cluster compatibility guide I have seen. Nice job.
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Chicago I have a 1996 A4 with cluster one but without the LCD. Can you provide clearer
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steps to retrofit cluster1 into my car and the part number for the cluster and
the new wiper lever with the trip computer controls on it?
Thank you.
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01052011, 06:23 PM #5
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Thanks man. Its nice to see someone compiling valuable information. People
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01052011, 06:47 PM #6
audifirst
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Quote:
Join Date: Jan 2001 Originally Posted by moloveshisaudi1254
Location: Toronto That is the best Instrument cluster compatibility guide I have seen. Nice
Posts: 4,020 job.
I have a 1996 A4 with cluster one but without the LCD. Can you provide
clearer steps to retrofit cluster1 into my car and the part number for
the cluster and the new wiper lever with the trip computer controls on
it?
Thank you.
I will post part# tomorrow for conversion into LCD cluster
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01052011, 06:55 PM #7
audifirst
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Quote:
Join Date: Jan 2001 Originally Posted by Bronco Joe
Location: Toronto I've actually got an early 98 (30v but also has side airbags) and it has
Posts: 4,020 cluster #1. As far as I know it's never been switched and I have
complete records (I'm the second owner). So, perhaps a few '98s got
the first cluster as well?
that is true that very early 1998 had parts from 1997 year model
ex:cluster/fenders with Audi logo, taillights with amber lights, a
those that have 1997 1.8T were actual 1998 models
same for
1999.5 to early 2000 had mixed parts from preface lift model
Audi did a lot of mix up in those days, lot of hybrids
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01062011, 05:40 AM #8
quattromano Well Done!!! Thank you.
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I wish I had your guide when I bought a back up cluster for my early 99.5
Join Date: Oct 2001 Avant. Damn LCD pixel problem has struck! Bought a 97 cluster but lo & behold
Posts: 9,703 it would not fit!
01062011, 04:16 PM #9
mtroxel
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Nice write up. Great info, and timely. I didn't think Audi did immobilizers till
the B6. I just bought an 01 Avant I'm doing a lot of work on. How do I know if
it has immobilizer? Will that little key thing show up (after I get the dashboard
back together that is)?
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01062011, 05:28 PM #10
audifirst
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Quote:
Join Date: Jan 2001 Originally Posted by mtroxel
Location: Toronto Nice write up. Great info, and timely. I didn't think Audi did
Posts: 4,020 immobilizers till the B6. I just bought an 01 Avant I'm doing a lot of
work on. How do I know if it has immobilizer? Will that little key thing
show up (after I get the dashboard back together that is)?
If you turn your ignition on no engine look at the tachometer in between 6k to
7k rpm
if the car with little key lights up for second or two you have immobilizer ,
other way to check is to access instrument cluster menu with VAGCOM, look at
the middle section you should see VIN# with 14 digit combination
number/letters, then you have immobilizer, if you don't have then you don't
have immo, the last check is if you remove instrument cluster and look at the
right top edge there is sticker with part# under the part there is 14 digit
number usually start with AUZ....... if the rest of the numbers are zeros you
don't have immo if it shows combination of numbers and letters then you have
immo
i will add this to the post above
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01072011, 05:56 PM #11
moloveshisaudi1254
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Are the wiper arms at all interchangeable between (8D9 953 503 A) and (4D0
Join Date: Mar 2009 953 503 B)? I see a lot of the (4D0 953 503 B) arms on ebay but haven't been
Location: Chicago able to find the (8D9 953 503 A) at all.
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01082011, 01:16 AM #12
audifirst
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Quote:
Join Date: Jan 2001 Originally Posted by moloveshisaudi1254
Location: Toronto Are the wiper arms at all interchangeable between (8D9 953 503 A) and
Posts: 4,020 (4D0 953 503 B)? I see a lot of the (4D0 953 503 B) arms on ebay but
haven't been able to find the (8D9 953 503 A) at all.
I believe not, I am looking at the photos of 96, 97 wiper stalk and looks like
the connections are different, but I can't located photo for 4D0 953 503 B to
compare it, they just show front not the back, but here is the photo of the
96/97 wiper stalk just in case
Click the image to open in full size.
the beige connector on the right side with 4 pins is for multi switch selection
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01082011, 10:22 AM #13
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I have 2 A4 Avants one is an early 99, and one is a 99.5. the early 99 has the
Join Date: Oct 2010 LCD readout, and the late does not I want ot swap other than the pins
Posts: 10 mentioned, and the stalk, is there anything else that needs to be added? will all
of the MFA controls work?
01092011, 05:53 AM #14
audifirst
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Quote:
Join Date: Jan 2001 Originally Posted by cruciform
Location: Toronto I have 2 A4 Avants one is an early 99, and one is a 99.5. the early 99
Posts: 4,020 has the LCD readout, and the late does not I want ot swap other than
the pins mentioned, and the stalk, is there anything else that needs to
be added? will all of the MFA controls work?
Are you planning to upgrade to cluster with digital clock or you will stay will
analog clock with full LCD?
With analog clock it will be easier since it will fit to existing harness, if you go
with digital clock you will need to move wires from the existing "red plug"
harness to "grey plug harness" on new cluster + additional wiring for the wiper
stalk , as far of requirements of parts
beside cluster, wiper stalk, and wires, there is possibility that you need to
purchase the plug connector for the wiper stalk, I am waiting for on individual
to email me if the connector is there or needs to be purchased
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they both have the analog clock One has the Full LCD in the middle while the
Join Date: Oct 2010 other only has the lights in the middle of the cluster.
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I want to make the MFA functional (with fuel milegage, etc)
Are the sensors present on both cars, or will I need to do a lot more wiring to
the car the currently does not have the big LCD in the cluster?
let me know what you find out I'm going to do a swap soon, but want to go in
with all the needed parts.
Quote:
Originally Posted by audifirst
Are you planning to upgrade to cluster with digital clock or you will stay
will analog clock with full LCD?
With analog clock it will be easier since it will fit to existing harness, if
you go with digital clock you will need to move wires from the existing
"red plug" harness to "grey plug harness" on new cluster + additional
wiring for the wiper stalk , as far of requirements of parts
beside cluster, wiper stalk, and wires, there is possibility that you need
to purchase the plug connector for the wiper stalk, I am waiting for on
individual to email me if the connector is there or needs to be
purchased
01142011, 07:09 PM #16
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Hi, i have been trying to find a used cluster (I think I have cluster 2) but the
Join Date: Jan 2011 only clusters i can find are the ones without the lcd display. How can I find a
Posts: 1 used cluster with the lcd display, or is there a way i can get mine fixed. the
problem is the lcd display is all messed up and cannot read the top half of the
display. any help is greatly appreciated. thanks.
01152011, 12:24 PM #17
moloveshisaudi1254
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If your cluster is malfunctioning you can send it to www.modulemaster.com to
Join Date: Mar 2009 get it fixed for about $200. You might be able to find replacement clusters on
Location: Chicago eBay but it is really a hit and miss if they work or not and weather you find the
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exact one you need. If you go the eBay route you might have to settle for a
nonLCD cluster, although I saw some cluster2's with LCD just a week ago on
ebay.
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01152011, 01:30 PM #18
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Quote:
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 117 Originally Posted by yvesterbrown
Hi, i have been trying to find a used cluster (I think I have cluster 2)
but the only clusters i can find are the ones without the lcd display. How
can I find a used cluster with the lcd display, or is there a way i can get
mine fixed. the problem is the lcd display is all messed up and cannot
read the top half of the display. any help is greatly appreciated. thanks.
Try www.pixelfix.info, they do excellent job.
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03222011, 06:31 AM #19
tavy Hello
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Hello from Romania, my English is not so good but I want to help me with a
Join Date: Mar 2011 problem. I had changed the instrument cluster because they do not have board
Posts: 7 computer.I installed a cluster with trip computer Istrument but I did change the
26 pin to 32 pin, after the change, I noticed that diesel fuel indicator, indicates
reverse, if the indicator shows full tank is empty and vice versa.Please help
me.My car is an audi a4 b5 tdi 1995
03222011, 06:32 AM #20
tavy
AudiWorld Newcomer
Hello from Romania, my English is not so good but I want to help me with a
Join Date: Mar 2011 problem. I had changed the instrument cluster because they do not have board
Posts: 7 computer.I installed a cluster with trip computer Istrument but I did change the
26 pin to 32 pin, after the change, I noticed that diesel fuel indicator, indicates
reverse, if the indicator shows full tank is empty and vice versa.Please help
me.My car is an audi a4 b5 tdi 1995 Have nice day
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