TURN, TURTLE! REENACTING THE INSTITUTErune, TueTLet REEWICTING THE INSTITUTE PERFORNING URGENCY #2 Jan oostens The Endless Posies of City Theatre anil lags Gade and iva Anda Para Ftioal Instftions: On Radical Imagination Art Pretented asi t Were Something Other Than Art“Torn, Tule! Uso (Use, Hepa Space] sin Fala Ele Misi) ke Van Campenout in Conversation with adn Mller Exoskeleton and Hospitality: ‘he lnaitute In State of Unfoing He Van Cmpentout Strange Love: How I Learned Stop Worrying Tendering Institutes Ane OE The Pals of station Pedagogy Rave Matera for Political Positioning of Ar Leaving the Avantgarde Nicole Galea CCommoning the Ate A Feld Report ‘Vato Desert un Risen PAE ~ Movement Research Definitive -rwrroucTxoH ‘Yen wethinkof ston cig, the term has en ie Tal rst 29 many example come to nin witha the fr fenng ts ld Wat ese spare the en ee ern th rane tarde an engaged re-apprpeation the ‘tnt nati petra) praia a more indepth ‘abortion between nts ni atte in reiki the an ‘Shing postion al econ alin strstr of the oration Te look athe etary of nettutonalisntion within the petring at tis eral he feittes canbe preived ttatns of ac cctv pasties tht precoded them, ater tan ar govesnig ono tat tat he Selb that tot deashng nn i ian atte to e-policie the iain tonal el an ater to ake the inte mate agin a cent for ltenseston oss common cancers The atte bee to fou the coer of vere player in the ld ats, rode te progres union trocar) wipe oe ses tht there cold only be elt within fginentry meetings Tat ese te renewed ineret inate practices aswell ‘innttional coloration wth arte tobe den by {pote vibe, an terest changing the governing srvctaes Tso coldene hat ‘he new pit of inte’ mats ‘ett tine when Brope seri om tpl itor tlbtme ow a the pb ening of i edsatina cet, ta clara! nsitaton Is under preanue du to state ete and Privatsetons Some nsttonsl eis wild power witout he ecexry authori eher poses areal fen a utr, at ot aoe power to be abet et things in moto. southern Europe, where the economies it ards new generation2UAN DOHENGUEZ IN CONVERSATION WITH VacTORDA ARTISTIC | STRATEGIES TO COPE i WITH TH i INSTITUoc wrk ontop ofthe at's work, What find tobe ely probeomtc isthe diane between the adnan nthe state practices and he stone. 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Ae i th gull tations Spay ‘re bcoming mar and ore buen and dla ‘eT eying Be mre nts, bt ned of king ye of omg sracrly mare exe they mo in he pps deci: ing omar farms fl and me ater fii hve rd very fin ott comping ‘hur hs forms aout having het tome, thao dre ‘he dri of thi cic nd the wey ey actly menage ther workin order beable i in on of he sete stg, ‘hat arene The mension sch gap bs generated wig movment of ett tha av abandoned nto which tad Inheigg and tt happening ov Tey hve ard up heir ‘wm organo ad contents hms a ee he Intute ond he single independent eats Ibe thetic “Sewecan beef the reatenship beter ati and ‘to, bt nat cae they Ew more abot he ong the Ineo means ete methine the proof maging new aye of rani, rode, and rang the Invention and imagination revere pcs Tepes fmol oy tha the cpacy io imagine an invent ar fete that rts he etre ya sssfcton wh he wy things are 11 Bese ey ae ‘tes an ty ko hat Ber fom exec ht hy are oe forincnwons le esate anf mination th ‘roiction of change. operating 2 they senza tained to work prea ‘Soctines wer and wir iagiaton canton the Inston Te would be gies inttons weld open ie imagination oBngs they could ot agin bfore te voy thinking sti oe) WPR te The ison epreion by Jobe Dewey lay ie to ‘tobe the att eng pron basmati wth bat [Seoublshd' (rt as Exess fig 0) ie ir ote tt forthe ok of then: bt esti the selon forcsdve he coment of rai, whic wa in Inston fists an cy fenced ying treshope fracte obe mvt, ond think nw way Th ede ‘help tain mba he ane fing aye a rot ond ot aiming ted areal roads afm at seul Th Farm 30 Ye This happens esate al hese nttons inked ‘wa polo putin which makes them dependent on the politcal pay charge othe erent goverment VOR bite pron ie nat 0 much aout pendent ‘ate thar sentinel vant an a of feney "sould not ind Being tan nition hat ike patna itty kink hat pari. The probe appears when enody such os mel of fsa profit ar rod ae pple atte practi eae thee ira dt ark Ieper he rel tha te inition nde pein tise proces tbe something they cannot be Very interesting nations tre cated ering ery eres ut hs Helge: sree mpd atthe ey mat of tl 30 _butthisdepenon having someone de the ntti ‘hat does ple mediation. People ke Pepe Guise wh wat ‘hedrector of Re Sofia este fig tht eed as mediators the ttton can te denen en plicians Tepe on very strong and hard-working ges who manage instutions Becoming ate bit more idepedent fom aban whe til esving tn upper. VPRO shold we mre oth ssn prt? 30 Ya eR In ss prt we rego to dics he pail postions opted inion othe tin, We diferent Se forthe fof olay bt ofcourse ae pss and patios we net ay be categorised The fst on ll Exes, loving Pal Vir’ eos in" and Retin: The Pcl Try of ao Gp nhs pointe only wy felting othe sem gre ut hts gest of ering goes han hand with rating someting me nth hides it ttl ‘handonmont, sc tal propre new on erate Inatatons he eo potion tn ete ther aly ste esi’ i is abt eg withthe ination side by tk. The hid peston resistance 1 eos pate ha ei fr yu that acme ned a one pl athe Epson, ving th atin i a et a aging etre tha snp brates yo fom the poy of thing feton. is wa fayng ‘then, flirting Vira tat abou bending a ving the Fld, ut a aout frstive cation end etn, Tet of ting adie the fonts hat eve perative nth sft one shoving ith che lnsttaton lmaesdh cnflet bigger ante mera ‘nding aay rates dierent condos and herr et ther ways of perating Tis ager tha ist merely rei rt an att ctr — ba ental desing ew fom of nga Trae fats nS of eal ttn, oF Smal ing events tat ete ater wy aeatig ther aye of racing athe ey of lating wih ata and ‘so One very ear example the Living Rom etal ta Cun Joes Ls rel and Mari restarted ap 30 Yer That wara very clear example ofatit ao wanting to elt thee poets and patcs oa nso, hk this isbecnse in norma cesses, festival ae moe abet he ‘hou the ait wrk tll And this cd us very Get: we were ‘ed of having to constant ours, expec the vale four work sou there ings hat wate for you. The stations havether own consent an youn att ave thers, at thes dot ‘nce Thre ri sommunzaton, which then ta no nd inners of power, The ind of eruption cn be ‘ery sper. You can id yousel ying the ight woes ero noel ant rf fom sey indo Samy Besar thee ate vay hse parerqi’ ements You canot be ily best eae ou now ha he ttn ay 1 yo inetonng hat you hve tat This predeer "dns eng rape by a canonical ote hat doe os: nthetes fr example the cary rules do ot pr tata Uncles anymore Aad foun hse ery undrtandae,bt itty ithe there sero be re dean nbc remeber tat in the fos everything was psuble in the theatre The ena and al woul ay "Ok, you want edo "ha Lats imagine how ths i pol! Or"We ve thi {ie retest Une rela? Now teeta more of"No you canot dot bce the ole te ike tat’ Ar tere oe Tor thinking another way Initio rene oe rig og tha very el ah inventive within hem VOR What were he patil way offing that allowed yo vad hen pln your own ftv and work her 3D Fort the se with enporliy was very le We ‘ald da the Living Ronn Festi whenever we wanted we did atv aj tony mol We did once yen at ‘Smullancouiy infor diferent European ces Ieold happen wherever and whenever td this was very porta ‘Seeondy te festival tok lac In pvt aputients Tis cement changed he condition of the feral comptes rope who wercoing eins wy le they were iting ty and there were no ule fr th Ory con lay wit ‘hse les and reste sme mil conus, And le open ‘eed alt mouth to uth Tere wes some icy maybe aceboo, bt we i ot peat apse programe ods "Nnmbers were not so imertant and wed not have to fila ‘Seat was ot problem ioagh mt ofthe ine vein wn fl We i ot hae ofall an conn agenda sty {heels ofan ittion Dut then of ers a we not have ‘meine thismode te oat who was wooing the yak ‘at moment nd to expsinet with ter peso propos I drm dos ena hoe you donot nie lee, ry to dap tothe mpecty ofthe par fr expe We ily elie that jt tng pisces id ot ke ee at ae eet fn other types of projects And thisallowed sto thik ‘erent heron with he pct che we ie ty Four wal no earch (hog thee lays eit nthe side he net propia) the ed the tial ‘eane a kind of eomamanty, and some spectators were oeting ther buses to make the next Ling Rot Festal which wee then hots in oober editon Iwas lp nteentng tht the bots ‘wre i es proposing ew ways accomodating peel, “resting nits allow forse costeliton to ape every VP lamas ne ton fh th abe he Jetport om festa ps dah ‘sgn Sey ony ofan eam Sng a he ets ops oda be Facto nn ye 3D Thereare many tnatves Whe is. In the 908, or ‘example, remem ne very interetingintiative by are wal ‘Sistine calla Danese in wat ro eles house oa few oth and il talons ens, ete, ‘nd pefomunces, nest manner When we tated Living Room Fetal here war nnthing very smn Barcelona Iappeinginthehoase of Qi Pai togetier ith Ses sin, were ving resend nd showing works it ‘The cursor Andrea Fachevo was goign nth hose fer aad randnoter ia Madd An Mara Jose ‘Cues, when shee Mad nd case ek to Chie, xpi sen Domestic. a itive ey sara see our,hae performed in ber flat me tink she desi one moth In ilo thre eather sr ett ald La Con (Car. think people wo are tracted th oma el the eceslyof egsing independently and ating edo to ‘range thei own programs ates, and ideas hat di Inthe nsttionn ged The ad range rm owing ples sen pened inthe iy bt never played tere 89 propos that ints find unpeticu or ot qanative ra “he Living Room Festival was soichow very fia, creating Kid homely and playful sea I makes you (cristo ex wh the woe of th ae th you anit ola) and his has oat ect on you, nt fergeting ht ‘he fur arts cating ara Jee, Lai rel, Co eres ‘dy proposed get cntentx an ferent fmt ap 4 The eae wa sly get completely unpretentious ad ety seseous. We lo pea the lotion ofthe esl arse “irene sce the gang we have bee ling tn Maden Bein, nin neo the eins we i i aor “pean cera the ne tine We decided not calaborae ili! ies smultacouly gain becuse twas diel {ove id communication wth the ter cs. nthe ed {pled oe work aca we mere dong witout money and sre dice’ want ta make tore fel 0 we Eihed by ding nya Nadi YOR ewes ery emporering 3 Yeah but tcnattted content hate tan in Ro. ‘etext att a yur dally tine t proces tl eedom but mote wok whch nthe end at to ati. ac ine ou mnt mee and you want oexpeinent with new way ‘ong hinge ened ne contents which enn owe ate, it ‘forutly eo" vay posse The auton 0 Profesional if ut then Besse something le. Tat hy See oppo alg we an araye come bak tit te “Thnk it about in perpetve, star ear the sat ha we wer using kin of Brod state. YOR Con we think bu her nitiven Spin that od be desta in trmsof Er? Lite Cah for ap, ation wl trsntabe? or 30 Tor tenyears asthe decor of tial cll tn-Presntae in LC Exe, oto that ed 1 Belong to nk and ow inept Daring ht prod took theta to support eal ais inky At ome oi propos tha they become cece node t think {ogether about wha they ede sit think sou ferent coomunl pactces They coud ws th fla ae place for ‘port and sls ar plac toe, In thee hey formes follestive calle El Cub and they decided that xd fr ther ‘eat an interesting sbtey anda hey de ot want be pst the ftv They said Tank ya fn, bt sow we se Independent an edo want our tie tobe ink nyiing, bese the end his eating Sef a few years they were dig ther practice ito ver aking Cor ‘money: ABit was an nate coming jt of he Prsetble {eal ane year nied thom to preset hi practices, 1 ‘hovght it was nice oppor tke hi nkiaie pul, ‘which hey ba not de bere hey came up with diferent ‘aye preseting tine practise Io the dine Iwas Interesting tha they to ry inatve ni poi it ‘completly. then dsappeaed and the ter on ake them come bck and shire ir experience PR es YC wa creating a gap tha dd nt ext ten tained ati, terms of fan fr retires Is "conten wh shar pts expert, and work wth he prope nes of pte, rien rats, dv hare lnyotherexanpleof practi that wuld nae on fematv valu gesture? ‘Map ie work of adore Vet, clr pei cs of nsw etiqa. Whe ewe ted by he NACA (Bardon Muse of Contemporary 4) 008, be dnt want {orks an att and adopt hin the mara sna Sai he woul ork aa hue ptr intend. ls propa ws © aint inte eshte wel of he MACHA wth he salt rk Poul He wnt 1 pai anormal ora and ta ah Crt oder teh the budge tok Kn yo aso pon he ili When uC te pein tor ofthe eine Safa Muscur,nadK o pret pres e dfr he buet reo of previous xb the ase. The mse reise ge hi is information th oie ede obo made publ, het he Rena Sf acu tort Tisperformance of ig lt mony month wat fal the Bet nd be made pul. Bt oar from these poets Vee! has deol lof tn’ fining wrote the ot market nd tht sition fads 30 Yeah disadvan his pasion taken in celation ‘ace da ot want Belg th etl stitton Bena [oe aoe since do at gree wih Tis happens for VR Yo Bu ato ken think abo he arg mnt of ‘Spohr king th ving roms Na bce sa tical or esl decoy, bt ease thee no th hele the relly mathe pets the pres. Inter, Bese the inetitation ets gun he ad pot be dy se he sttaon We ‘hough wo be prac fo tal abot nycaformit ways of lating othe isan, Lam inking for example of people who teed every rtf the ntti and wo now re rain tv hos happen ith he ew politi movement Spa 8 tout eng wthin he inion and hiking how reshape and terme a Kind of atta rium within rat ritsng or denn but prota apenig te nti noking are ae Sinking ems of ses, Nv he Ivreentble tina could be a geod nitive ak about hs facet oston And ey precy the eon 2002, 20 in Preatsble was possible beste of La Casa Eacn [Cam Races id diferent departents enone. ‘cation elle, anode In hse oo depres he ies wa to make vey poplar in direct eighbourioads of Mai heir ien wast open pal he practi and projet to ‘heciy renting very stong comection betwee the igo cen and the aston Ad ths war posable ‘enn the tke were very cheap pd alata te ates sre thn Preset a project sted there ese they had the ics of openness When presented my worth the hie of peso art asked met prpose a whale week af bee rte in order to contextual he experi anf Choreography Twa developing Aad rom tht pot he esta Inter fhe insta wer doing tbs Yery wel. The ‘ier interacts wet i of aking the practi and projects hat were aed nea ndpeent deparnet 0 "ht you i ot veo deal withthe nate oo mc YR could on exln whic wu Psa pend ye ‘he astute How war Presenabe eng mare nce? Tam need an ion ht ely pet spe fo th hp, nse ht would allow meter to rw ie and ten resort fom ahi 20 Wet thappend a liferet moments ring the eta Fst we ha ts canigure contest or there ine of practices tat ‘vere misting inthe ey of Madd. There was eam ‘appr the ind of peje we wanted to show bt st here ‘were resources So we were working ou bow oe ad ibte the spaces and we sso wanted tie pat of he Intemational ene tht never une othe ty Fst we confined the content then ok seat fr yard ‘The spocators were very important forthe tial Wedd erent pats onl ther. A hen ily ile 1 ‘elation fais working ractos, But wht happens the ‘est the yer? wae qutong the rl of he castor by Satin ther artis to work with nani the lat yen even ive so art to make the whol tal ager We carted allthe pacts the meeting, pall he performances never ‘hose ay perfomance ob bow ta ye Bach ati decided "doit or do Pom the too arts presented tet work And hie became arrctare ce in fraps think abot ‘hat happens when you hand nt sesponiliy aod everyone ae Yodel nome way tater with wha they ink Festal VOR Ye tare ery noeating it i thes: Prsentabe Fath fom yuu a etter oa shared pai wih he 120 ope hat were nite al tn he pi of La Cnn Econ nd decd on what do who we wre and how we wanted 0 ryan or tne ad fame Tare ue yo re ao den ‘ath nthe Cen Ro got al, sei nthe sand {rth tx shapers of sss he one ara andnpr bt rater mare na pene ‘meh te ah eae nl tesa Pn ft th nt be a ‘py on eee tng i tn hat i freed ate ‘efor own mcr its ‘orig atcha ran nent ‘that determine this meeting beforehand. “ 30 Butthere iti frame Teta tht ishing tases and hat where we cn arin the intersect 00 ‘now? Sometines we cannot move way fon te rales bat maybe im erwee thes there at alles spars where WOR Yes fou Ba am mt mah ling terms of Siem ba tar of espns eed he ack of otal ihn is ery nesting nt ave ony prt and et ae pony a theme te 30 Yes, but in the cae fn Present the en ws thatthe dihedition af o-Preentae in 209 wa ike en invasion othe house and i was own ta we wet invading the has ‘wv decided the tnvaers Would tats over the whol building. Four ens revi ined he egies of poet wat Inppening a Cente Choregraphique National (CNN) of Monipelier~Languedoe Rowan, and Vas al stents ad pofsionssto come anak seta with me That was ‘nd of prototype forthe at year of Present, the sxe dian. Adit wes lo cose a vain Ths ec, ‘nthe end when many people ze thinking togetier, you cane apron one person and ke ten response or something ‘Aa the inst ens peu pach ed fs, hve an den you ca do thin thie way Jan ti soo ‘mr mn ys ets dot But when tht are any pple "hienegtton sey complex PR Yes and shining apa abt the sand season of Cl aoe (1g hin tha pee arated esa proposes as of if of frame eink proces hf he atin {festive bras 1 asks programme the seer ager = pind tine han esl and wth saan And the FM ptiptng ar tere spt bt hy ae par of ere of eating clit Thre il he relat 0 ou as | ql Ait ec ae ht pcan end fone has your funda our noms Bt tl th dene are at mae by ou ou sree rae, thik hr ae tf tithe Bt of lation th Bigeye io wha sue, ndtv hw pic and festival aul oan anahe. 30 Clean Room cbse ante way of working Works aoe ie a entity and sn wa a prc, bow pice eaed wt Kind fraps wean ave Fane contemporary tpt ao ying ah le She spcator comply projet a sees with te ‘vo deny, mone mason seri gig ao {pesloning el gig tern tetas at we Sterna ore tha he elation wth Stanton be ate to eggs ina ert way. wh {become «polenta tee eR Could yon expla He Bie abut he problematic ain fete nto Do you el eat the tans a2 hat they a a abe opt an et ifn prot tha might me tnd Space tem? 30 Wala 1come fom the pefoming ars, the people hat invitee to pect ny work ate sly este oe eval that te dain th ies and projet of the permits. othe fat eaten of Clean Roo for stance, dal withthe ven by ‘sein on te teat wie exploring ferent spaces ise ‘ie sme tine The end seton happened ona of he ‘ee happened everyday spies where ape usually Lire, kein pate hows an ble spaces The eft and resort fake to propa forth in lation tothe aout of spectators thatean tend is to uch or he ston, ns becoes ‘ery problema Poets that are more experimental ta ou ave to ely ake ae of ad tht podace ther sal ees ght ot bo ineresingfr them The ees ot propartonl tote demands ofthe math eight now Tat wy i project, that comps othe tition a erent di 10WOR thr would bea ind of stato tq as ert uni esrb th he Fonculan exon eg ove tat his wey Orie herds nat mea pin or {fondamental nea, bt en poration fede xing race lq a prmanent ting pos sping theinstaton slat ol te sittin fom ti at ‘some sy playing with ra." but nt i way ie syn Ta gn partpate fstiol ut my nerve iat ys ch hese saying ye wide cating tor eno woking and partly reaping how sare 30 Yes. ict ts ery Fay How de you geo the ‘ation with the lean Ro proj, a ow you are somehow making think wth you. The poetic dierent In ach Sy bene cack pce ar ferent aes, om of beh un poling hat weave o engage with For example, thee ze erat house ales for bw many people an etre pcs, for empl, and then fa fo de with te very ec like proding togeter he poet ants aay ante ‘vy of lating chee boat commodity ed herfre lest comfortable del with Ie ala of wok it i wha rakes he poet what ti VOR nv alo eping insti. 20 Ye aunty. When ping the places ware the ‘rjc sen nie ee anther wy fang to he ‘ator and tthe pope volved ithe project ea shared PR es bcos ly ou fin the heme and no 08 loot you have ett ow il eeelap within he 30 —_Andthe institution in te eth how o communi he oj Bees you communkatest as soa pes fare She inataton hast thnk how a avove pple & Project tha not common Se yes tere ae otf paraett’s that ave tobe rethought oma tbe agents iva ve om the spectators, Art practice inatitutonalised VP part abut hw very young pacts sme dation is importnt on on hand haters arable fo ust the practic and might Beco beget ty i {pt the rate and tome ems nite ‘Spel Spin wher tae rarely of pcre ie {ery import tha ats con gnc pes hl they ne es epee atable Bat thee prc hr ao interetingcuntr-movenent ord na ing lid i ‘tances acing a he point of eying "Tithe nde we ove Tam hinting of La Pr, fr example Bw alti that a ily an by pope Thy ete Pon fm hk they rare feta and my ter ‘atte retng ott rearch nthe perfrmig ets and tated protested evronmet felt lamin. The edo (regan and thes ns pry stab, wold At ne pain the egenisers ited re tts fo the mont ‘sop projet andthe decided mae aad! mov. They {ove pte postion she den eam ae be deco of ow to deine nat La Fra waren hw werk nh had of ‘serene parting i tht moment. Ta! mew hate bles swe apr toeveron an tha the aces were uated rege One he aan of La Prt fl that hy bad eco of kon fo enna thy site ly est mare sero ate lingsh our cnt oft tion so at be resid rom within by the patting rts 30 _tebik one very important aspect here ithe contin 1 "bk inthe comnty where tips a asf is toed for stv ht happens enyoncea yet. The ery cy getr suck ni ova ety ube tat i mee completo chang it Pople expec tt ealwaysthe sams, ‘dite mene! hat changes ino someting more ge (beens there is expesinentation wih fem for instance) hs Fry snot owe cepted, People donot ave sa mach ine fer eagity And by people inca sitions spectator sd ‘ve ts S01 nd consnution tobe cri Itiseser to transom you give te period of whale yea tren ‘por lowing the wort develop ding the yess Then you ‘a afr your om entity and the patie wii. Thi ‘ot Larisa dngELKE VAN CAMPENHOUT IN CONVERSATION WETH VLADIMIR MILLER Fee HOSPITALITY = mi INSTITUTE IN A STATE OF UNFOLDING =teanrmativ ond thie net es oe relation "at veo work wih what gen and yt develo perp tives wth the given pstanctes which ac ational whch lle conte cin an change ‘my work and eter hited my potion rom the fist to he second understanding of atop baie cle fo ett ese for Yotl ang for «complete i in understanding ‘working tough he institut prolematic asthe ‘urn ei othe exstig iets fo arngenent cot bly and suppor, which re the necessary negsive ta po tinea any in of abe ructure, What eae te is almost on anes evel tht bth tee desires ae ‘lors of doing that ned to be psn a he nite, The dese forthe Mi far the changeable, he waa on the ne and ‘And onthe ler the power to spots which aes an iste Into what its, but whi a nesesalypradhces eas am no longer ineested complete eosin or een tion af what annette or sou be, ut ate in cng trmsormate process within an exing inte In the ap? ‘oft sty To ate ppt exp ad in that way reconfigure the atta working or singly weave uexpee ‘dlrs, connecting te lls he insite stands on, thibk a {pcan be undertone asa space hats ot verter by The esting contact Wheneer an exchange a onnecton apps tht is detenied by a existing conta the xs ingles orice, there appears plac of e-nveaton, ro there we can sys goto wy We tier wick othe contac oF we Become nat the contrac and ry ot he tetlon that re pone nthe gap of he omrsctal onan Wht eae neering ome was ot mys 0 "hy ayo the presi th hese snl gestures soul ou ew ging principle forthe whole rounding sac- tre, Bese hat wold epeat the oti geste tt hese nds of pp practin are nepposedo Bu aint EVE Sein ome may he prt re minor he tte ck ol nga a fr ba Or ithe hae that |s pode by wring in the apt undo in mare a= col way rnserming what there, demanding the tte 0 reorganised rei rgni elf understanding? WH Ti they ate ding both The moment you wok om iting contrat, that ane becomes vile a ese he practice presents the ext contracts I can been ad ‘eevee sre tne abo rede transforma nth probly functions ona fret ee tha the sacra "isa bite a randy ad the bce ta le its digestive syst. Prices at pen nthe gps me organisms tat ‘oprateon werent evel th the spp geist it ett mu they lea organic cota ons cee omer ‘orm hinge ave {EVO Buri are wun inven relation the vise “by which wld the eth itt Do your protest thee gape csp, 10 veal something de hin thet teas? WH Yes touindeed ny thatthe pace about the becoming vila contract within moments of coming ‘ogee ually happens the moten the people wh copythe bad othe inst come ety 0 there is a high eee ‘fi. nth seas hieitnsher the bay hat teas tobe ini, VE The yates she ie rece fhe tae? YH Ye well somehow dont ink tht thei ch lee Aiton between the loge! andthe sche betwees "Wemnterial andthe ater wthn hens, Boone ot ours ny comat wth» ven cone! sao embodied athe role th pther wii so within thelial EVE 5 rthr he op wha ecaps the sear rane ‘io ofthe nthe anc. And ating othe gp in ay eightens oF questions hte WH Wal agin isnot» question of diy. The gape prt ‘ofthe body of thistle Bat ye we on snp ern thems diferent body A more mobil more transformational, ecu hay tht is acho nse ua nie ofthe a "onal body. Aat Bkes borer etapa. VC The isaeays something tithe i alent he ay? (YH Yes think tain teresting hgh every inte ‘here ho be something ht alent, nl that ee hig that hing hat the stuctaecan not determin tat the Source ofits posible transformation, ee i selene epotenta. “Aotier mtapho el ike when hiking abou ace ‘ure slit tthe soci the ane ofthe exp seletn you hae ‘he sot dy that biologi atin ad hen you ave ‘spot strstare. And somhow thio body alwys onepon ‘the tetra exshleton bya to ow ot ‘Wile prodices rack nthe scan which the has ow det suppert and pratt the hoy asin. Growing sa heing at the ame tine Bats ipo a ston to survive as us x tbody witho cette supper st ‘ures That the most evel sestzton Leet ln my wok ‘ne aso ght forthe sat body we cant dfn the ate solely the exoseleton To take area th preset he pp the 09 sot body that soa tas Ba there ao iio these Fone ‘thi prt of the tie EVE Wher makes np test oy? WH he people tht workin the nities ba a these people's eit mindset wo sy You and? The pred fering the ations VE _Couldyon gon example ofthe comets you ara ato? Since ar aol talking abo contacts een pop luc vee people and ob spaces and actos, te Who do yo conse Bethe age work nhs contra? WH Theat aie net oly people The canta of the inet Kind of pple to oe ages A cmt! ck! be dng the elation heron yo andy kyo the ky and ‘he dogo you and your empleye, nal ofthese ting ae subject fo change and engoistion The moment which Beaks "hecontaets the moment of genera Whenever contain eze rie ot hound by wht ak fa eopens pa potent ifr change way af etending the insite. Naty exo Such but by exceeding the contacto wt you az ecountble fer Thiseanbe done aot of ferent ways trough tou, ‘conten itning, peaking arng, big. EVE Ys and thi exceeding of practi gees a tly stra the ne but a ihren par of Wanted tony owt wed ask {orwell Ina ten ees) he int detned by wit Serine Thre aay someting at cnapes thin eevee ein ta erp sch An ht ang at 90 ot con ol pl ow tht tp tit et ely ak ‘rt iewrten et eee wood ltt yo ned Coup wba densa Ane edhe sw ‘opp ste nl he i stoping in bet ‘An we sl ot confine acre eth ete Se Wisin egy nh nga cape th tana Contact tt hte ns oleV6 hat hind of aise hate a frost gph tinct a a a hs ‘nd he perl usin, a wal kw dine ‘ements! so nd of to ‘imaginable that would maximise the gaps? ° WH don't his itisnecesny onan the aso give ‘hem an fil ale J io hat oe al ene pr ting win xp and hin asp that eo deere ‘poet ee on sting cr prey ev Ta ae hrf thigh nowt ole by the wren contact ofthe atten oy tee Kn a sp ata tee “hemoment we ee this weare'eomnoning th pce wan the itt bce weer tie te prs ran a har omen! ae ie suc, {bev acontbuton to rete cnge. And ths where we omen hts space nt we can nego we we cn eae ‘rand projet someting othe tre VO thar he amet ds ner the ntinton? 1 Td we dhe tems ch bt ite complemen tury towha fm song Within my eee athe se he erm ‘nonin the producto of thc, Nota tig that one can tle td deters, bt aon operative orzo i ou ind a change of paps elising that we operate in he gp isa the shin bap te ond at psn EVE We were aking elnaargenic ond tog lament of the nts pres veh acts ta ac of ono? (Or rate howe th cnrt ecm ne es of te ioral fom a certain conte and ed te rand fr Wi Mylinee je sscton would beth to coro the contract tly ast organi, you eed to counteratta- ‘nase you have to ung in eke rganiations hat woul ave the power a change contacts Thats another procedure than he ne ws lig abut, ad ue vce though an nportant eat that It mks mek of or arent efoto eink = guna dee on wha kin of power ney vented boy Site cletne ve is power owtd est te Con hey ee cl voto pol hat wee tence fc neat lok Tein of engin ae theprceneswichean chop ect Wc eb thon time andere nae Bat tht ove ha a aking aos re OF ma ye EMC What cou it be? What ela command in the Hm pot eth "omnoning determined by is oj. Foc eit itaber proves a mode a engaging ageter nthe rset we neat winteve ses abe negotiated Whats being commoned i ueton one xn pose en mn Tevelof the ntiate Fr ecanpe aor eonsmoning eda fe. buttthe same tive adn tt en ane evel we eld So te comoning rust he commoning pros tnted EVE Soha your deft of oman ten? YW think nthe contest in which we ae talking aout now itwou be the moment felis and enacnent of shred responsi fora resource ora space witha tention et xe snow ndertn fw sors f Stott eae hh cpa pote hat Scnmoningssmaiw abun et owe On ‘mebnefpsoa meas rotons terri. Wk seemed oe gone tng abo ces {Ping muh ing ore hep orotate te sono ha emigre ring he ‘mney he te WW Yesthe moment where ite est cul — Hearne is Hom Sue Staves — is the monet where the tt aso tal wih neweomers wth peopl tat arena atte able, ore ‘ot players in ter fe cout Tat the moment whee Conmnoning.can makes rial comeutonVO On the le! fiction ad extn you me? [W¥ Baty on ta evel sea he oti the sch tecture fhe insite dln gt cleat who hat yin something at when you coms together al else you ae a rp preset wih te potently fo hang dec some “hing the nso exon matic stl beak om and tearm this group into a group af takers Theis the tential fr exp inven fara shared arenes Fo omitting ta goal tht sated beyond thet Hee archer canot id her/his place within the init tent 2 group of searches, bt alo indi ceca eres llr which str validating that engagement toward i EVO Wr ness me add hide thse of ‘ths tha rm pres ie the frat of th ont, star commaning, Or ate aiming he tte thi. by Comsderng ach, bythe war thy are pint ome ‘etn hire MTs is something the nt ato cogil vaue ‘sr wrk tha icon tin a portant way. And allow Tord proceso happen thnk pase somehow does ‘ht In tha sense aed criti fm nse since ht proces of intsteness the a of cotton saleady eens As we ld anor tine, apse eer you pt enough pressure you ca poke your way EVE Ys, bt ofeowse the the nese we wrk mal sel basis How do you se ths woking Bg itu? ke ‘ha eu dng poner bed on sno, Ta isch ‘spl hing thee Bat ow re ak sure hat his ng io not dst as recipeation, wh sf the eta ‘hat exper he iter? VW Tsk you cana about reeuerton when aninstite lls fr cottons o even aor then, ten ee ‘ase hee salable Ass Ua would age your status, ea ead to more con ints structural proses, EVE Aisha point you become prover, bt na ater? Hac Bu ts npotant toate hat ofcourse nat ener pail power wants tobe reogniae by the iatitton nat ty. Sone powers ecaary avetotay a the opostion ain Themen isnot every’ tk ote up othe overs leet EVE thet ses the ems to be onl Btn tug” fad orang when he common otion Becomes stat Ise te te gape are sing dn, Whe he gop Besome rec nd ender of the nite a such, ou would ed new gps eerste lth tne WH Totakethe espe of pass aga here was soreshing ther fom te get-go th proved foo be taken ove am ‘he outs om the gins Bot a the sae tie Tent ‘ete hs ad other ntti 2 ea sine ee hat tot ofthe tine sae of ommoning ae use fer the expan som the perf te cent. Ther at rome ind of pred-de ‘mowaieeommunieton oie provided erty oer unde the ‘nef cmoning bt they oly prodace an excse Fore ommonin’ every ch bt plea waren fhe omg ot something that x be ey the centr. That ot nteresing ti proses tht pil eesed margin ‘an ptt i, bce a at in perp Aled the ‘econ af the neon rw coraman a ange of petspec tine tha ir empowering the arin, And thi nate pie proces of mavenent on the mga the ence VE Thar quite (enue Rance ined ema 0? Once singly conser youre ta be prof the per gins yu sit ‘he alesse alae Yo andor tht eon tata trsing forthe ‘enle toe inset in ening braised cat fuce stl common en ly epee eels Tare lack of neo, nce al the enero stl conte sonst remade nly rb the atu of he cee EVE Maybe wan la ose of yur projects end scone ation, pov nage wa thre A god xp hike yr sie of Seeman wich you ogni Aft conesand colabration wih vero pric Selement a price ‘hat eo pet of theca alter on exe tin tattoo od of eh ote pap of the Inte fr goof tar acto or ther atechnet othe ey things are ‘ut maybe you co fit noe the Steen? WH Seement ea sollestive projet that ated over seve ers on ferent oan, Th jest tke th fom of {orks and een and inte ace ul of fg cain race, Since eterno te i pce dvoit ‘ital work ets with ll mater present oar = anion resell he trates re bu mde neces ofthe nial and olestive pate fs patpnts A Kind ‘fest on the physi evel anda tepid re-tart on he level ofthe aba and inetonal tractresgovering our ces of rico, Theil ruse a prvocaton, a Stle- Inert ina pce which, over the couse of wera wel te Vy Stl pute spl perspective on practi, dentin, woe of initionliston andthe beep he paces of lit prodction nd edeation a becoming pce of mening hee mods of lng’ are bee in any things they ae here nthe ways the sce are dese and orgie toward abit (porting habit nthe ver ira ‘hyo organist hey re therein the stationed Dproceses of cen and exclusion, an thy ae thee io oc ite bch stroctre he most enpy and open pace magn io Loldngat how the pes fo practice rate he abit ta Setlement induces recur ingity ma mde of ‘tabling pact andthe sci geen betwcen the ‘pata The paces xed win Setement are makes Sf pczions an therfore are never ited a spp artis ‘ll onsen or proces deine "at iadics anther ining to the pce rendering al struts inet teporry and unreal. Te babi of reguing products of workas property becomes dese. 8 sll etractresin he sce re abort ved and ean beame ‘ae a agin very ly These aed ler changes ou vou Fg othe bit envionment a work fete sin the tasting down. Thetranaton of srr back othe comin reste trough calle of rappopiaon cals sty, producing he common as a erst perspecive oto the eerping terior, conrtlaton, nd er inthe Selene space “Toanewer your question inroads to what har changed ‘trough the wor wh commoning tough undestaning mumoning usa thats appening in gsr prodelng {8 hv othe gto ake Seem separate ase from the nition where tir tking place. The Br cole Seilements sre to deine poe of ceoning wih the ting intutin ene one oe enue tly eae to st open group of stk y dang thi the proj we at the same Hime worn on exploring an highlighting the arene etwen the be’ of earmoning and the naan tht wa ‘ore or abe to seta a proc thioether srosabays aoe soa ov lusiniaiapet to hat work « Feling ht his Kind feonmoning ony poe Bons temporary bcase ti never ely e-tting the ial ‘renee fenton lasted of ding x eommoning able am ving now tan aude toward ths work, where ininch more portant to realise catinenng within the daly liver ofthe prtpat and wi ites of aint the ita ‘eeources and tril i wht pete institution more ur rom tht perspective. Things and actions exist ona contin ‘um enn thee two extremes "Trough thedeeopment of th diferent Setlemete somehow toes dts rm the pre-cneeplon ht hey let ta hind of point a-Si the Setlemets heron ry contact none oe prods there an vtation ‘tend hy then contac fone, ne ‘lation toms giving me the ower to prodce the questioning of theinetne al Sot nt the moment whch alone te abe is rater «moment in which he gap betwee te Siteent cones gt widened sr macaroni Ard the trea whoe the practic pues he contact os nity that where hee boders bene een a uncomfortable again “Tere youve to kendo: an going tempory ea the conta and make ain agai Or pemancaty hanger jt ste with eal tere?EVE hase a bg quston forme c onchange the inte ‘from witha by trod aie race? Whi you absolutly can jst think we ate to get sf the snagation tat ean be dane ins Kn of 0 contact ‘one. this nt neces oman ke this We hol ook {a complete breakdown Ifyou conser the insituion as cf gps, you en hao se the stra ae rely thereto wien those gp The re you ele a the spore the stractre can ive You power tei hs ae, fd extend them, EVE What yo sd efi ao the hora metaphor nd one ‘Nini both Seement, rominds eof he novel ose eaves soc} by Mark Z Dance wih haute ose tui evoked yor denn cng ge than snes ‘imensios te nonexclaenes of heSelomen which aye ‘that ey come and cnt a nappa ‘nonmember the contusion arto age he ta’ tory wl beyond its ovn iandertanding, wich proves ind fe mbalance ak of larity abot wha i happening ie outs nth seh Seems indeed comply about recognition trough cnt, hr nother way of Tring? here Wh ithe pioopy ebind th coms ofeommoning ‘cet Het eink simpty start on vil lee. When you ene the Sellement te ou quite se tine before you ‘would start to recaps thegs fr what they are Beez things reins complete dra, an yon dk wl any hese ‘emporry contruction seule you prt sere lee how they re red othe space deine by ts usage, and oes conto ogee form wat we onside tobe wrk pce” Thee spate lows inacorger ould be somebody's ay oe eer ee You hve to ‘ont your peenc an atetion to eal fread te ‘pace ant ithe only way to et state There re sige pica mater ard ogee it by the way the erie fre srranged nto placer Tat ir impotat: hee ease ht Aen’ alte ao clear le: Tere someting pean o8 ‘nner evel that ges you toy Bu nowhere it ten {hat "you hve 0 sy ero cote The pace aby tore hn you have to inveet ine inorder tounderstand ‘Bnd heme you undertael he ore ths invest can glo EVE ety con ln ome and na gt anything ou af right? WH You get what you engage That ie maybe nto rent fn‘ {EVE Ys, but ating abot he inate iui @ leap Normal we coder he tte as ple hat gatos Inland eta iter nd where Yu eam and "eta olde Whereas in he Stlomet Yo ge wht you srt opin mak oy cnnumpton noe posible Ya robb do gota of hing ot, bt notin sour ay. WH heb algorthn oyu geting ths by contig iether debe the Settee Tat ext lp tithe reasblhe between cieen akbar. EVE So iiss nro Yes And when happens ash agli fa of sudden ving rien up Hom he cane wich af ote ‘ly partly rue VC How dos htt tthe way te nema fction, tnd hth contr get change Mk ti ind of oportant that he na’ ht provides th confor he Seem mchow nat control of wht sat stake the conerete nf ft Wk Inter incon exon thea kind slp tory rin the etme tht usta everyone is welcome wha ca fn hel way in though ome in of enmecion Tat crest int ery exlsve. Bat what it doe away wth abd. natal organised, but the sun ne urtnstely ‘cer respons towards the neweoner you wou extend tintin welomne to everyone nthe ty, you would be ‘scmingy ier Bu hn th nck sanetly een on wea you ty toner the pe, basse tereWH Uhl the capital nse makes gener ina of clase tt atl brs, Wht ry oes th ties than are actully necessary, but also to provide alternative al they on be aa those conection ht al a ue playa when you dbl the instal connect