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SonOfTheGods Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:57 PM
I am Not Responsible if you hurt yourself.

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I am not doctor.
I also do not have a fancy Certificate or Diploma.
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Actually I do not sell anything, at all - period.
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Altruism, not agenda.
This Forum, I put together, can never take the place of actual
''one-on-one'' instruction.
This being said, not everyone can afford a personal

trainer/teacher/holy guru
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never, ever- have access to a trainer/teacher/holy guru
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researchers- and those who only want to learn solo.
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They also say they can send energy/transmissions/mufflers to

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free... it is going to ruffle the feathers of some people who seek to
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I Understand there will be many Lurkers.
Most forum visitors are takers- and not givers.
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forums/cults and can not compromise the fringe/cult leader's
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do with. . Mo Pai.
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about Mo Pai.
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In My Opinion- Mo Pai is DEAD.
70 unknown levels out of 72 -makes it unusable
If you are Western/Caucasian it is off limits to you

anyway.
Seeking information any place OTHER THAN from John

Chang- Personally-- is going to get you confused or even
hurt.
So forget it.
If you still want to look for unknown/false/invented Mo Pai

hidden levels via:
DragonBall Z
or from other books
or from Wudang Mountain
or from oracles
or from any other sources- that's all fine by me.
JUST DO NOT ASK ME ABOUT MOPAI

I DO NOT DO MOPAI
I DO NOT CARE ABOUT MOPAI.
Having Immense power comes from Quantum levels of

entanglment/accumulation of previous life times.
*IF* you are supposed to develop these Immense Power/Abilities
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hands- buy a laser or nuclear sling shot (I hear they're all the rage
nowdays)
If producing fire makes you thrilled, buy a Flame Thrower
( or maybe just grow up )
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with My Forum
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http://thetaobums.co...wbies/?p=540625
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BaguaKicksAss, on 14 Apr 2014 - 17:42, said:
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Apech Posted 16 April 2014 - 02:51 AM
So how do you feel about Mo Pai?
Apech, on 16 Apr 2014 - 02:51, said:
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So how do you feel about Mo Pai?
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Pearl,
The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl
Pearl is also mentioned in other religions:
Gnostic hymn
Hindu scriptures
Hebrew scriptures
New Testament scriptures
Islamic scriptures
Mormon scriptures
Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a Pearl?
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A pearl is a hard object produced within the soft tissue

(specifically the mantle) of a living shelled mollusc. Just like the
shell of a clam, a pearl is made up of calcium carbonate in
minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric
layers.
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A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in

layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living &
solid organic body.
That is My Definition
If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist

substance.
That is where you find the pearl
Think about this, Meditate about this.
This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born
There also Natural and Cultured Pearl
One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufactured-
Imitation
Also, Meditate about that.
______________________
Ley Lines are Yin Streams
These streams run @ 90 Degree Angles/Perpendicular: Earth To

Sky
Yang (Blue Plasma) Lightning & Rain - Storm clouds- Passing

over Ley Lines-
create Nature's Tan Tien's:
-Tornados
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You Only hear this from Me
I posted another thread about Dowsing and understanding

various Yin Layers/Levels throughout the Earth
The Earth has differing potentials of Yin Qi
Some areas under the soil:
Rich black fertile soil versus sand, clay &/or dead soil.
Fossil - Oil Deposits as well as Mineral, Quartz, Gold, Iron Ore,

Magnetic Lodestone, etc etc etc
Organic life-forms
Water running / negative ions / streams
Under the Earth- like Sedimentary layers- the Yin fluctuates.
Deep down- the Earth's core runs like an engine.
Again as I said prior- under my feet and under your feet is very
differing amount of Yin Qi- the variables are forever changing with
your every step.
There are also water pipes, electric cable, fiber optics, phone/land-
lines, gas pipes etc
take all into consideration- Above You: analog waves, WiFi,

microwave, gamma, ultra-violet, cell phone, etc through out the
sky/rays/network- like a web
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take all this into account

Above you
Below you
Electromagnetic Waves - What are Radio Waves?

Radio waves are part of the electromagnetic spectrum
(http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav47.htm) .
Radio waves are used for broadcasting radio and TV programmes.
The transmitted (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav54.htm)
information may be in the form of an
analogue (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav55.htm) or a digital
(http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav56.htm) signal and uses a
radio wave as a carrier (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav55.htm) .
What are Ground Waves, Sky Waves and Space Waves?

Very long wavelength radio waves can travel all the way
around the Earth, diffracting (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav43.htm) around the Earth's surface.
These are sometimes called ground waves.
Medium wavelength (http://www.gcsescience.com/pwav4.htm)
radio waves are reflected (http://www.gcsescience.com
/pwav18.htm) from
an electrically charged region of the Earth's
atmosphere called the ionosphere. These waves
are sometimes called sky waves and they can
also be sent from one part of the planet to another.
Shorter wavelength radio waves pass straight through
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the atmosphere and cannot be used to send

information all the way around the Earth's surface.
These waves are sometimes called space waves
and can be used to send information
in a straight line across the Earth's surface.
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Calcium carbonate shares the typical properties of other

carbonates. Notably:
it reacts with strong acids, releasing carbon dioxide

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide) :
CaCO3(s) + 2 HCl(aq) → CaCl2(aq) + CO2(g) + H2O(l)
it releases carbon dioxide on heating, called a thermal

decomposition (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Thermal_decomposition) reaction, or calcination
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcination) , (to above
840 °C in the case of CaCO3), to form calcium oxide
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_oxide) , commonly
called quicklime (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quicklime) ,
with reaction enthalpy (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Enthalpy) 178 kJ / mole:
CaCO3(s) → CaO(s) + CO2(g)
Calcium carbonate will react with water that is saturated with

carbon dioxide to form the soluble calcium bicarbonate
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_bicarbonate) .
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CaCO3 + CO2 + H2O → Ca(HCO3)2
This reaction is important in the erosion

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erosion) of carbonate rocks
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonate_rock) , forming
caverns (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavern) , and leads to
hard water (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hard_water) in
many regions.
Biological sources
Eggshells, snail shells and most seashells are predominantly
calcium carbonate and can be used as industrial sources of that
chemical. [6] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-6) Oyster shells have
enjoyed recent recognition as a source of dietary calcium, but
are also a practical industrial source.[7]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-7)
[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-8) While not practical as
an industrial source, dark green vegetables such as Broccoli and
Kale contain dietarily significant amounts of calcium carbonate.
Health and dietary applications
(http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp
g)
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/wiki/File:500_mg_calcium_supplements_with_vitamin_D.jp
g)
500-milligram calcium supplements made from calcium
carbonate
Calcium carbonate is widely used medicinally as an inexpensive
dietary calcium supplement or gastric antacid
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antacid) .[18]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-
medline-18) It may be used as a phosphate binder
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phosphate_binder) for the
treatment of hyperphosphatemia (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Hyperphosphatemia) (primarily in patients with chronic
renal failure (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Chronic_renal_failure) ). It is also used in the
pharmaceutical industry as an inert filler
/wiki/Excipients#Fillers_and_diluents) for tablets
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_%28pharmacy%29) and
other pharmaceuticals (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Pharmaceuticals) .[19] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-19)
Calcium carbonate is known among IBS
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irritable_Bowel_Syndrome)
sufferers to help reduce diarrhea[citation needed
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed) ].
Some individuals report being symptom-free since starting
supplementation. The process in which calcium carbonate
reduces diarrhea is by binding water in the bowel, which creates
a stool that is firmer and better formed. Calcium carbonate
supplements are often combined with magnesium in various
proportions. This should be taken into account as magnesium is
known to cause diarrhea (http://en.wikipedia.org
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/wiki/Diarrhea) .
Calcium carbonate is used in the production of toothpaste and
has seen a resurgence as a food preservative and color retainer,
when used in or with products such as organic apples or
food.[20] (http://en.wikipedia.org
Excess calcium from supplements, fortified food and
high-calcium diets, can cause the milk-alkali syndrome
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milk-alkali_syndrome) , which
has serious toxicity and can be fatal. In 1915, Bertram Sippy
introduced the "Sippy regimen" of hourly ingestion of milk and
cream, and the gradual addition of eggs and cooked cereal, for
10 days, combined with alkaline powders, which provided
symptomatic relief for peptic ulcer disease. Over the next
several decades, the Sippy regimen resulted in renal failure
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renal_failure) , alkalosis
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alkalosis) , and hypercalcaemia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcaemia) , mostly in men
with peptic ulcer disease. These adverse effects were reversed
when the regimen stopped, but it was fatal in some patients
with protracted vomiting. Milk alkali syndrome declined in men
after effective treatments for peptic ulcer
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peptic_ulcer) disease arose.
During the past 15 years, it has been reported in women taking
calcium supplements above the recommended range of 1.2 to
1.5 g daily, for prevention and treatment of osteoporosis, and is
exacerbated by dehydration (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Dehydration) . Calcium has been added to over-the-
counter products, which contributes to inadvertent excessive
intake. Excessive calcium intake can lead to hypercalcemia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypercalcemia) , complications
of which include vomiting, abdominal pain and altered mental
status.[21] (http://en.wikipedia.org
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As a food additive (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Food_additive) it is designated E170;[22]
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-22) INS number 170. Used
as an acidity regulator, anticaking agent, stabiliser or colour it is
approved for usage in the EU,[23] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-23) USA[24]
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-24) and Australia
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia) and New Zealand
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand) .[25]
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-25) It is used in some soy
milk (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soy_milk) and almond milk
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Almond_milk) products as a
source of dietary calcium; one study suggests that calcium
carbonate might be as bioavailable (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Bioavailable) as the calcium in cow's milk.[26]
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate#cite_note-26) Calcium carbonate is
also used as a firming agent (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Firming_agent) in many canned or bottled vegetable
products.
http://en.wikipedia....lcium_carbonate (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Calcium_carbonate)
"Symptoms" of a Fully Charged LDT:
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In My unique case:
This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second
Page OUR Forum:
Kundalini:
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM
http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34458-kundalini/)
First, fully charged means what?
For the Lower Tan Tien to be fully charged that means that both
Tum Mo & Jen Mo/ front & back/ Meridians are flowing.
We have meridians (i.e.: yin yang heel meridians) that will always
"Circulate" away any surplus of Qi built up in the LDT.
The myth of a man having a chi-belly is fabrication.
Jing Qi Shen is a process.
You do not Voluntarily Decide if you "are going to do the

MicroCosmic Orbit/MCO .., or Not"
MCO is an automatic function:
However, using Yi to guide it in your Meditations is YOUR
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CHOICE.
While you were a fetus, all this developed for you.
Once the Tum Mo & Jen Mo are functioning adequately, and you
start to develop a surplus of Jing to spare, from all other bodily
functions, (only -afterwards)- then, your LDT starts to gain
momentum.
Again, a process.
If your Mingmen starts to ache every time you do the MCO, with
Yi- that can sometimes mean your Jing limit is being maximized
and the pain is signaling Jing limited resources is being
expended.
Semenal Retention is necessry during these early stages.
Once all is well, then the next stage in process develops.
The Taji Pole/ Central Channel goes into active gear- meaning-
you sense it with your Yi and you may start to feel involuntary
contractions/Vibrations in your LDT.
When the Central Channel coordinates Qi- which is YinYang

accumulation- the Middle Tan Tien gets "fed"
In Advanced stages, it will start to protrude.

Appears almost like a hernia pushing out- but it can be
voluntarily controlled to move in and out.
I can do this, as mine exceeds approx 1 1/2 inches out- and a
deep round pocket inner.
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This was discussed on another thread.
You will start to feel the right hand get hot, tingly.
Both hands can happen, but primarily the Laogong and Daling
points on the Right Hand.
Warmth generally expands to heart area sometimes too
The heat you feel in LDT will eventually subside once a large
accumulation of Yin Yang build in 1:1 ratio.
Yin is cooling and the heat is Yang Friction.
The cool Qi flow is what we want when we ascend that flow into
the Niwan and BaiHui
If your lower Tan Tien always stays HOT, then trying to combine
that in your Brain would melt it.
Think about how hot your LDT can get,.
This is the Problem of Kundalini.
IT is HOT Fiery magma pouring into your skull.
Not Good
You will feel pressure at Occipital Points behind skull, and feel
pulses along your neck.
The Right Vagus nerve feels like a heart beat going into Carotid
Artery- Right side.
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Again, the amount of Info I am providing on this is very rare to

find anywhere else especially For FREE
Once the Qi is flowing into Third Tan Tien, it is already in Shen

process mode via the Middle Tan Tien
You will know this because when you discuss or read anything
pertaining to spirituality- you will feel the energy dancing on your
scalp and front hairline/True 3rd Eye.
Also when you put Yi by your LDT immediately that central

channel lights up and you feel all 3 Tan Tiens become pressurized
and bursting from their containers.
SonOfTheGods, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:39, said:
In My unique case:
This Thread needd to be Bumped Up from the Second
Page OUR Forum:
Kundalini:
Posted 12 April 2014 - 12:44 PM
http://thetaobums.co...4458-kundalini/
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34458-kundalini/)
Advanced:
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Also- ejaculation will no longer interfere with your Qi surplus
Whenever I am posting/reading TaoBums, I am in Full Lotus as to

assimilate/subliminate the flow
When I laugh, that lower abdominal massage really gets my LDT

percolating
BaguaKicksAss Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:04 PM
Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my most

recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit about my
practice, and about LDTs....
Darn confusing things they are.
Speaking of ldt.... any chance I could get your opinion on my

most recent question in my PPF? Since you know quite a bit
about my practice, and about LDTs....
Darn confusing things they are.
Of course!
be right there!
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Uroboros Posted 28 April 2014 - 06:04 PM
How do you "store" Yin and Yang?
Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field
that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something
specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer form?
A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine!
Edited by Uroboros, 28 April 2014 - 06:23 PM.
Captain Mar-Vell Posted 28 April 2014 - 08:38 PM
...
Quote
One is real and grown over time, and the other is

manufactured- Imitation.
Could you clarify this statement please?
I am neither any more artificial, nor any less human, than any
man or woman on this planet.
God's own truth.
XXX
ps if you refer to a sensitive subject, just say it is sensitive and I

will understand, coff, coff, joe 90, coff.
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...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 28 April 2014 - 09:24 PM.
joeblast Posted Yesterday, 09:43 AM
Uroboros, on 28 Apr 2014 - 18:04, said:
How do you "store" Yin and Yang?
Do they both just gather at the same time? You said in Yin Field
that Yin and Yang are always together..if so, is there something
specific we need to do to store/ generate each one in a purer
form?
A fully charged LDT is a big goal of mine!
practice, practice, practice. the word wasnt really store. what's

gong fu mean? how's your gongfu? energy-time. angular
momentum, energetic gradient-potential. it only increases so
much per unit of cultivation-time, and we can also intellectually
include a qualitative coefficient in that equation also.
by practicing and refining, the energies that make up the

bodymindspirit come into greater harmony, and more
harmonious = streamlined and higher amplitude potential.
that's why the utter and complete stillness is so important, it being

a direct corollary to cultivated harmonious amplitudes and all.
yang does not reach its greatest extent unless fully supported by a
strong complimenting yin. so you do the yang meditation bits like
ldt breathing or other energy center work or what have you,
balanced by the depths you are able to cultivate. its like
comparing jumping on the ground vs jumping on a trampoline in
a way.
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"G.O.D." - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34654-god/
"G.O.D."
Artificial Intelligence/A.I. = is a network of computers (Slave-

class) all linked up to the Mainframe (Master) computer
The Artifical Intelliigence is a matrix of the host and all linking

computers sharing program data.
The more the individual computers are programmed with

knowledge, the more "omniscient" the Master programmed
computer gets.
Each individual computer is only partial programmed with

limited data, while only the Master computer experiences/shares
(everyone's individual) computer data.
However, without the finite limited data of all the computers, the
Master is program-less
Collectively, "Primordial Consciousness" (G.O.D.) is the sum of

the combined/collected Organic consciousness / Mass-Unified
Experience/Inputs
Upload/DownLoad = Simulation..
We are the reversed-engineered GOD
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GrandmasterP Posted 27 April 2014 - 03:56 PM
AI koans here.... http://www.whatdoyou...er/aikoans.html

(http://www.whatdoyouthinkmyfriend.com/Lighter
/aikoans.html)
SonOfTheGods Posted Today, 01:34 PM
http://thetaobums.co...ysticism/page-2 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/31213-christian-mysticism/page-2)
SonOfTheGods, on 20 Aug 2013 - 10:33, said:
Melchizedek is introduced as the king of Salem, and

priest of El Elyon ("God most high").
Genesis 14:18-20
Abram/Abraham makes a covenant with El Elyon, who

is NOT Yahweh.
In Christianity, according to the Letter to the Hebrews,

Jesus Christ is identified as a priest forever in the
order of Melchizedek, and so Jesus assumes the role of
High Priest once and for all.
jeruSALEM
So, according to the myth, Jesus is the son of a

Canaanite diety.
Some scholars provide a theophoric association on the latter

part of the name, Ṣedeq ("righteousness") as an epithet of a
Canaanite god, translating to "Sedeq is my king/lord"
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Therefore, jesus would be a Pagan diety, relating to the

Canaanite pantheon.
So, in Hermetiic Mysticism, this is one of the Biggest

secrets.
Below are some scriptures that present my case,

further.
___________
"El has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the
elohim He holds judgment."
Psalm 82:1:
"Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and

strength."
Psalm 29:1:
"For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among

the sons of EL is like Yahweh,"
Psalm 89:6:
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This is based on the traditional Hebrew text, otherwise
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known as the Masoretic text (MT). Now look at a much

older version of this text that was found in the Dead
Sea Scrolls and matches the Greek Septuagint text:
"When El Elyon gave to the nations their inheritance,

when he separated the sons of men,
he fixed the bounds of the peoples according to the number of
the sons of God.
For Yahweh's portion is his people,
Jacob his allotted inheritance."
The older text clearly shows that El Elyon is the father

of all the gods, and Yahweh is simply one of his sons.
El Elyon divides up the various nations and allocates a

portion to Yahweh. The later version of the text simply
merged these two gods into a single being.
-----------------
There are other clues that there were originally

multiple gods, take Psalm 82 for example, where
Yahweh stands in the council of the gods.
1. Psalm of Asaph. God stands in the council of the gods; he

judges among the gods.
2. How long will you judge unjustly, and show preference to the
wicked? Selah.
3. Judge the poor and the orphans; do righteousness to the
afflicted and dispossessed.
4. Deliver the poor and oppressed; save them from the hand of
the evil.
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5. They do not know and they have no understanding; they walk

about in darkness. All the foundations of the earth are shaken.
6. I said, “You are gods, and children of Elyon, every one of
you.”
7. But you will die like mortals, and fall like one of the princes.
8. Rise up, O God, and judge the earth, for you have inherited
all the nations.
5 of 5 5/3/2014 1:35 PM
SonOfTheGods Special Super Secret Power Elixir! - SonOfTheGo... http://thetaobums.com/topic/34469-sonofthegods-special-super-se...
SonOfTheGods Special Super Secret Power Elixir!

Elixir,
Not really
and pretty inexpensive
1/2 cup of strong black coffee

1/2 of 1 Aspirin
45 minutes before Meditation
Then:
20 minutes after consuming the above-
1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm glass of

clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic Apple Cider
Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up and foam. Once it
is finished, drink it
Do not do this everytime you Meditate.

Use it for when you want that "special one"
1 of 5 4/30/2014 11:24 AM
Not really

1/2 of 1 Aspirin
Then:
1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm glass

of clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic Apple
Cider Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up and foam.
Once it is finished, drink it

Not really
2 of 5 4/30/2014 11:24 AM

1/2 of 1 Aspirin
Then:
1/2 teaspoon Sodium Bicarbonate/baking soda- in a warm

glass of clean water- to which is added 1 teaspoon of Organic
Apple Cider Vinegar "with the Mother in it"- let it bubble up
and foam. Once it is finished, drink it

The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much of
that stuff years ago.
I will give it a go, though!
Thanks for sharing, SOTG!
3 of 5 4/30/2014 11:24 AM
The only part I am iffy about is the aspirin...Took way too much
of that stuff years ago.
I will give it a go, though!
Thanks for sharing, SOTG!
yes minus the aspirin then
yes minus the aspirin then
It will still work?
Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor!
It will still work?
Thats fantastic! Then I will do it with much more vigor!
yes it will work
"salts" carry ions - electric feeling
4 of 5 4/30/2014 11:24 AM
yes it will work
"salts" carry ions - electric feeling
5 of 5 4/30/2014 11:24 AM
Mixing & Matching= It's All the Same - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34749-mixing-matching-its-all-the-sam...
Mixing & Matching= It's All the Same

Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 11:02 AM
SonOfTheGods Posted Today, 11:02 AM
Various Techniques- can take you, up the mountain, with

variables thrown in, to make that "Road" a bit more "Appealing"
Traditionalists and Purists may not like this approach, but it is

truth.
Magickians who were Traditionalists hated Chaos mages, for this

reason.
They stripped down all the dogma,
and kept only what worked.
Quote
Jeet Kune Do: is an eclectic and hybrid martial art system

and philosophy of life founded by the martial artist Bruce Lee
Energetics - Kung Fu - Tai Chi - Qi Gong - Nei Gong - Nei Dan =

Jin Dan/Golden Elixir/Pill
1 of 4 5/6/2014 11:06 AM
These are the Foundations/Basics

in any worthy system:
Meditation/Stillness/Unified-Mind=Alpha State
Understanding energy
Recognize Energy
Feel energy
Move the energy
-and for some,
Compress/Condense the energy
Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher octave

of Yi.
Yi/Qi equation
All the rest is:

tenets, dogma, rules, laws, religion, guide lines,
lineage, etc.,
Some "systems" need a teacher to:

administer/shaktipat/transmission the energy =
this is one of those "special variables" that make their $$$System
more "appealing" = i.e., Get you there faster.
However, everything you need you already have within you- it is

all internal (arts)- you need nothing external
I do not need a set of laws and regulations to teach me

how to behave properly.
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Do You?
All "Systems/Protocols" allude to the same thing, just in

differing terminology
End result= The initial goal
All paths lead up the same mountain
How High You Want/Will To Go, Is Up To You:
Again: "Then the "routine" is performed again, with a higher

octave of Yi".
Look at an Acupuncture Chart-

those points are always the same
To the spectator it appears to be random mixing
To the skilled practitioner it is Evolving
Some people want to become Immortal- but first, they need to

Evolve/Progress into Responsible Adults:
"Put Your Yi, Where Your Mouth Is"
Edited by SonOfTheGods, Today, 11:05 AM.
3 of 4 5/6/2014 11:06 AM
4 of 4 5/6/2014 11:06 AM
Kundalini - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34458-kundalini/
Kundalini
Kundalini,
A True Kundalini Awakening is a GAME CHANGER!
You do NOT PAY $ for this!
You are the SUM ACCUMULATION OF MANY LIFE

TIMES.
Kim Kardashian does not have enough money to have her

KUNDALINI RAISED BY ANYONE
Smoking some dope and thinking your kundalinijust popped is

NONSENSE
Getting SHAKTIPAT to have "an Awakening" is BULLSHIT.
I DARE any Teacher WORLD WIDE to DEBATE ME.
I had A REAL AUTHENTIC KUNDALINI AWAKENING

My Life was OVER.
OVER!
I had to RETIRE
I Ceased ALL Interactions with Humanity
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I got Divorced.
My Ideologies for the most part flipped, inverted- turned inside

out.
I was a world class Power Lifter

And future MMA Hall Of Famer
I WAS FINISHED AFTER THAT "EVENT".
TWENTY FIVE 25 YEARS LATER still Flowing

POWERFUL!
24/7!
If you can still function, normally, in society- still keep your job,
old relationships, etc
YOU DID NOT HAVE A REAL KUNDALINI AWAKENING!
I was into Magick.

Kundalini Road took me into madness and then Qi Work.
I "suddenly knew" how to squeeze the floor, sit on my ankle under

perineum, how to do red phoenix, yoga assanas- THIS WAS 1990-
long before the Internet and Kundalini was FASHIONABLE AND
TRENDY & MAINSTREAM.
Info would be Downloaded into my consciousness at mach speeds
Gopi Khishna was the only other dude who I knew did this stuff.
Years later, Glenn Morris.
2 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Now days- even my Neighbor's Cat has "kundalini"
Not every "Kundalini Syndrome" case-- is Kundalini
Sorry, but real authentic Kundalini is RARE
Pranotthana or Kundalini?
Swami Santaram Saraswati

Director Satyananda Ashram, Spain
Recently a large number of books and magazines have been

published concerning investigations into the reality of
kundalini. Unfortunately, much of what has been written shows
only a very preliminary and partial knowledge of the actual
awakening process. In many texts, the pranotthana or release of
pranic force within the body has been confused with the actual
awakening of kundalini. Pranotthana is the first thing that
happens as the individual evolves, and it is this release of
energy which triggers off the actual awakening of kundalini.
Without pranotthana the kundalini is not awakened.
There are two ways in which pranotthana can take place. The
first is by regular practice of asanas, pranayama, concentration
and meditation techniques. Through these practices, the prana
is gradually released in the body, starting the preliminary
process of purification of organs, glands, nervous system, brain
and nadis. The complete purification comes only with the
kundalini awakening and rising to the brain.
The second way in which pranotthana occurs is by shaktipat,
3 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
the awakening of energy effected by a guru. Shaktipat does not

directly awaken kundalini, it only releases the prana of the
disciple. However, it is this prana in movement that awakens
the kundalini. The time it takes to do so depends on the mental
and physical impurities of the disciple as well as on his attitude
towards the guru who gave him shaktipat and towards this new
process working in him.
Whether pranotthana occurs by individual efforts or by the
activation of one's prana by a guru, the fact is that this is not
kundalini awakening as many people are saying. The confusion
perhaps came about because the process which pranotthana
affects on the body and mind of the individual is somewhat
similar in the beginning to that of kundalini awakening. Some
books state that this energy - kundalini - awoke and rose up to
the brain, either straight away or after a few times, in many
individuals. Nevertheless, these people carried on with their
normal lives, apart from an improvement in health and mental
clarity. This shows that it was not the kundalini energy that rose
to the brain, but the pranic force released by pranotthana. This
force follows the same pathways as does kundalini energy. It
starts in mooladhara and ascends the spine, purifying the
chakras, partially but not completely, until it reaches the brain.
This pranic force thus makes it easier for the kundalini
purificatory process which will come about at a later time.
As the pranic force purifies, it creates automatic body
movements, spontaneous asanas, pranayamas, visions of lights,
etc. as it encounters inner physiological and psychological
blockages. Once pranotthana has finished its initial work of
purification, it normally stabilises itself for a time, before it
starts dealing with the kundalini energy,. After a time, kundalini
awakens. With the kundalini awakening, spontaneous
movements, mudras, bandhas, pranayamas, generation of a lot
of heat, psychic visions, etc. start occurring. But these are of a
4 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
more intense and deeper nature than those caused by

pranotthana. It is now that spontaneous natural meditation
occurs and not before. It is now that real purification takes
place, and the state of consciousness of the individual radically
changes. A higher state of awareness automatically dawns on
the individual, and his behaviour, relations with his
environment, understanding of things, etc. changes completely.
He definitely seems to be a different personality. Powerful
changes occur in every field of his physiology and psychology.
Automatically, the man starts becoming more subtle and
spiritual, or on the other hand, starts behaving like a neurotic. If
he still has many blockages - not having purified himself by the
practice of asanas, pranayamas, mudras, bandhas,
concentration, karma yoga, etc. - the awakening can cause
temporary insanity. Such people may spend some time in the
mental hospital. These extreme cases occur when inexperienced
individuals try to awaken their kundalini energy through
unscientific methods, without any preparation. However, when
properly initiated and guided by an experienced guru, kundalini
awakening is a spiritual rebirth for the aspirant.
However, everything does not end here. Awakening of kundalini
in itself is not a difficult thing, what is important is the
ascending of the energy through the sushumna passage, and
this is not easy, truly it isn't. The awakening can be effected by
any guru or by your own efforts in yoga, but what then? The
ascent through sushumna is clogged with samskaras, physical
and psychic impurities. These great barriers are the obstacles
which the kundalini energy itself will have to pull down and
burn. This process will affect the aspirant in many ways causing
great physical transformation, psychic visions, e.s.p.
experiences, strange illnesses, unconsciousness, etc. all this
depending on the impurities he has on the different levels of his
being. But these are only transitory things, which go away as
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they came, leaving a purified awareness.

Truly this is the energy of evolution, without which a man will
remain ordinary, his latent faculties dormant. Once you have
put your foot on this path, you will never want to go back.
Full Lotus all the Way!

lol
...
Amen to all a dat SOTG.
Sheesh.
XXX
...
Captain Mar-Vell, on 27 Apr 2014 - 12:46, said:
...
Amen to all a dat SOTG.
Sheesh.
xxx.
6 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
...
Amen-Ra!
theurgy Posted 27 April 2014 - 01:22 PM
Full Lotus all the Way!

lol
I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but what
to do about
one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins?
I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body,
cultivation not withstanding.
Any insight?
theurgy, on 27 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said:
I have always been able to get into full lotus pretty easily but
what to do about
one's legs going completely numb after 30 mins?
I do not enjoy that feeling at all--doesn't seem good for the body,
cultivation not withstanding.
Any insight?
stretch before full lotus

keep Kua opened
pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling"
7 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
eventually it should subside
stretch before full lotus

keep Kua opened
pelvis tilted/top of head connected "like by a string to ceiling"
eventually it should subside
Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt

region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing to
earth + ldt region squished) ?
How do you open the Kua?
Danke
8 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Is the pelvis tilted back( tail bone pointed up + stretching ldt

region) or down ( sacrum + spine extended + tail bone pointing
to earth + ldt region squished) ?
How do you open the Kua?
Danke
pelvis tilt= imagine just about to sit down on the edge of a chair
that position= tilt of the pelvis
kua/hip joints
standing practice is easier to open them
joeblast Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:18 AM
the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction

parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e.
up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone is
tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they removed
40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon which to
stack the rest of the vertebrae.
I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit

there of their own accord
9 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
joeblast, on 28 Apr 2014 - 11:18, said:
the main jist of "pelvic tilt" is to bring the lumbosacral junction

parallel and into alignment with the gravitational field, i.e.
up/straight! "naturally" it tilts forward. so when "the tailbone
is tucked" its making this junction (yeah, that's where they
removed 40% of my disc there at L5S1) a nice flat surface upon
which to stack the rest of the vertebrae.
I like stacking up my vertebrae and relaxing while they just sit

there of their own accord
L5/S1 fused then?

scar tissue builds up
painful stuff man
yet still, you endure
full lotus- all of it
my hat off to you dude
BaguaKicksAss Posted 28 April 2014 - 11:45 AM
Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the full
lotus?
PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and
10 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
MCOs LOL.
joeblast Posted 28 April 2014 - 12:16 PM
L5/S1 fused then?

scar tissue builds up
painful stuff man
yet still, you endure
full lotus- all of it
my hat off to you dude
nah they only cut me open, took out chunks, and sewed me back
up. I still have ~60% of my L5S1 disc. its why I looooove xing
shen zhuang, it is the only thing that really solidly keeps my back
in gear and alive, that and all my normal stretches and catcows
and all that. havent done lotus in a month or two, damaged my
right mcl, so I will probably be off lotus until end of summer. I
can finally bend it all the way again this past week..
Is it just me, or do others get sore ankles when trying to do the

full lotus?
only if hips arent open enough, ankles high enough up on the

thigh. bulky adductors and quad makes for a nice little ramp and
tends to keep the ankles from bending too much, but really its the
fundamental of the hip opening enough.
11 of 13 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
...
fuk kamma
My ankles are alright, it's just my knees that stop me doing full
lotus.
XXX
...
PS fuck kundalini, I'm having enough trouble with LDTs and

MCOs LOL.
LMAO
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NeiDan, Jin Dan, Magick,
briefly- for another discussion
internal external arts
Bone breathing- pore breathing
your magickal tools are an extension of you
held in your hand- your aura permeates the subatomic structure

of organic materials
oak wand- holding while bone breathing- takes it to another level

of *You*
just don't get too caught up on using external tools
every tool you will ever need you are born with
theurgy Posted 23 April 2014 - 11:26 AM
1 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
McGong! Looking forward to this discussion.
just don't get too caught up on using external tools
every tool you will ever need you are born with
A great point to apprehend up front. Many get lost in their gizmos.
McGong! Looking forward to this discussion.
2 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
HAHAHAHAHA
Drug lord looking ronaldo....good lawd.
3 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Western Magick Elements
Air
Fire
__________
YANG
Water
Earth
__________
YIN
Quintessence
__________
Yin/Yang FUSION/coalesced
Air
Fire
__________
YANG
4 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Water
Earth
__________
YIN
Quintessence
__________
Tum Mo = Air Fire element working
Jen Mo = Earth Water element working
TaiJi Pole = Quintessence = Akashic/Spirit working
Ahh!
By bringing these Vessels to a certain level of harmony/ state we

also bring the elements within us into balance/ proper state....
How interesting!
5 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
It truly does blow my mind how we are made.
Heck, my mind can barely comprehend.
After 3 Tan Tiens are Active +/-
Hair-line
Point where sexual organs attach to body
L5/S1
Occipital Points
_____________
That was a circuit to keep functioning while in Alpha
Next:
The following is Literal, NOT Figurative:
When you can actually see, with eyes Open- a golden yellow large
disc (the size of a large dinner plate) in front of your sight:
Then, This circuit:
Niwan to Laogong to Bubbling Springs to Niwan to Laogong -
Low/High Magick:
Trace your Sigil
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or
Scry with overlap of the golden disc over scrying vessel, or scry
through this golden portal (eyes open or closed)
or
Evoke into golden orb (CAREFUL!)
or
Ascension of Aethyrs/Planes
You will know if your working is successful due to:
Upon completion of Rite
or
Signal that Rite is completed
or
Request/Working is "now in effect" :
By the following (1 or all may happen)
"Flux" cord/rod pattern (full- spectrum array)
or
spark of bright white/shimmering flash of LUX
or
you will see a Royale Blue Light
7 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
Air
Fire
__________
YANG
Water
Earth
__________
YIN
Quintessence
__________
...
Quote
ION COALESCED!
8 of 10 4/30/2014 11:04 AM
SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!
xxx.
...
...
SOTG IS A FOOKIN' GENIUS!!!
xxx.
...
awww schucks lol thanks man
tendou Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:34 AM
I don't understand much of this. haha
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QuantumGong - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34564-quantumgong/
QuantumGong
QuantumGong,
As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only

natural to evolve, this way.
After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics;
Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong and
Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial Artistries,
including Marriage ) = wrap it up after 4 decades of research
and practice:
And thou art, generally confused
Although, I reached new ground
That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground
-maybe more later
1 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
As a cultivator, magickian & mad scientist, it is only

natural to evolve, this way.
After a stint in Radionics and Psychotronics;
Then cometh Magick of all thee types and QiGong NeiGong

and Neidan ( oh, and Acupuncture and Thine Martial
Artistries, including Marriage ) = wrap it up after 4
decades of research and practice:
And thou art, generally confused
Although, I reached new ground
That's ummm, Above Ground/Higher Ground
-maybe more later
Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body?
Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5?
DUAL , BIG ones?
Do you have a Paypal account and do YOU want to Bet?
/justkidding..
,,@Betting
2 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Everything else- I am serious
SonOfTheGods (http://thetaobums.com/user/109829-
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NeiGong Forum
(http://thetaobums.com/user/109829-
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The Tao Bums
2421 posts
Gender:Male
2421 2422 posts- I'm getting close to my dead_line
if you have questions, you best ask 'em soon
Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body?
3 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Are the "3" TanTiens in the body? .....What is the body?
where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine
where limited belief and imposed reality = inter-twine
a combination of belief/filter + program/operating system?
Are you sure the 3 Tan Tiens are IN the body?
Positive that there aren't 4 Tan Tiens? or 5?
DUAL , BIG ones?
Believe it, or not - this is a game changer
Believe it, or not - this is a game changer
4 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras?
What is this deadline you speak of?
everything has a natural and logical, conclusion
you are the only poster actually interacting and exgaging

w/dialogue with me- on a daily basis.
but there are hundreds of views on some threads- many

many many times more views than actual unique posters
LOL
so you and I could do this in Email
Why should I even bother?
eventually (soon) I will get bored and shut it down
we can take it to Email
I already have an Email List- Lords Of Ziran
originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum- and I

mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes are
archived somewhere around here lol)
he went on to other places so I decided to do my own idea
5 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he could
easily delete it all
the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people would

much rather take -without contributing back
which is cool
but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken advantage

of
especially doing it all for FREE
This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take this
forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the fact I
wouldn't start giving just a couple of people Advanced Lessons
then just shut this place down- and leave them hanging doing
advanced exercises.
A few months later, some one comes strolling in here, and

reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I was
already long gone lol
they could get injured.
6 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Are these TanTiens a combination of the Chakras?
Chakras are everywhere
so that's a trick question!
heh
________
My Email is on my Profile- I won't leave you stranded, not to

worry

but there are hundreds of views on some threads-

many many many times more views than actual
unique posters LOL
7 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum-

and I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes
are archived somewhere around here lol)
although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he

could easily delete it all
the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people

would much rather take -without contributing back
which is cool
but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken

advantage of
This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take

this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the
fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people
Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave
them hanging doing advanced exercises.
8 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I

was already long gone lol
9 of 9 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
"Hyper-Kinetic"- Kinesis (Fire) - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34754-hyper-kinetic-kinesis-fire/
"Hyper-Kinetic"- Kinesis (Fire)

Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 10:46 AM
Pyrokinesis,
Pyrokinesis,
So I've discovered a secret.
What I am going to say, now- is something I have never heard

before, and I read every book and seen every DVD.
I have communicated with many "Sifus" out there, as well-

and most have no clue about Pyrokinesis.
Either they don't believe any of this is legitimate,or they don't

believe it is useful.
Take your pick
I am going to be brief, and vague.

That will be deliberate.
Now all what I am about to say, works for Me.

In My own Experience.
1 of 4 5/7/2014 10:54 AM
This might not work for You.
Orgasm, seems to thin out my energy reserves, but does not

dilute it.
At times, my energy seems so heavy and thick, it is almost
uncontrollable.
Uncontrollable = Energy moves me, and I struggle- to move,
"it"
When that happens, I will orgasm.
However, during seminal retention stage, my energy is much

cooler, and sometimes- cold.
My MCO runs reverse, and I am much more Magnetic.
Orgasm:
one hour prior to culivating- and up to approx. 10 days

afterward: produces Heat.
So:
"Hyper-Kinetic Kinesis (Fire)"
Kinetic energy is converted to heat whenever motion with
friction occurs.
The build up after the release is causing that inner friction

which equate In My Experience, to Heat.
Within a two week margin, heavy Yang, transmutes into

Yoking with Yin, which is Magnetic and cool- to - cold. (I
2 of 4 5/7/2014 10:54 AM
have learned to despise that word "Fusion")
I use a grounding wire, and sometimes, weather permitting-

outdoor cultivation.
Orgasm:
Flow goes from navel- to LDT, to penis base, runs through
testicles, perineum- coccyx- sacral- Mingmen.
Mingmen cuts across to LDT, and performs that cycle until
friction/Heat.
I spoke about "Dissolving Cords" on other threads on My
Forum.
Then, up to Jade Pillow.
Heavy swirl @ Niwan, and BaiHui "enlarges" and creates
suction.
Engulfs true third eye at the hair line.
Whole forehead throbs like liquid.
Ricochets to LaoGong and Daling.
I do not sense a downward flow of Jen Mo but instead ignites
the TaiJi Pole.
Palate vibrates- tastes sweet, tongue burns like electric.
Throat breathing- vibration- is audible.
Two weeks post Orgasm:

LDT spins in Reverse- Involuntarily- flow up Jen Mo/down
Tum Mo
Also Reverse Breathing Involunatrily.
Perineum tightens and release on it's own accord- swells out
and up- and Mingmen pulses, and kidney area feels like a
huge inhale and swelling- like a helium balloon.
3 of 4 5/7/2014 10:54 AM
As if it seeks to levitate.
My modes incorporate "dual rote patterns"- depending on

Orgasm and the allotted time period.
I should state, this is Advanced.
"Those" who say fire takes a lot of energy out of them- it

does.
Orgasm consumes Jing, and as it tries to replenish- it is being

compromised to produce Fire.
Edited by SonOfTheGods, Today, 10:52 AM.
4 of 4 5/7/2014 10:54 AM
"Word" Scrying/Visions Demons (McGong Series II) - SonOfTheG... http://thetaobums.com/topic/34788-word-scryingvisions-demons-...
"Word" Scrying/Visions Demons (McGong Series II)

Started by SonOfTheGods, Today, 01:10 PM
McGong, Demons, Scrying, Odessa, magick,
SonOfTheGods Posted Today, 01:10 PM
I went deep last night.
Alpha- maybe Theta
I climb (speed of light- maybe faster- mach speeds/inter-

dimenional, etc)
up and down the TaiJi Pole- this was an "innate technique" I
utilize- like climbing the Tree Of Life- (Serpent and Lightning
Path).
I spoke about "Alcyone" on another thread.
Last night , similar occurance- this time headed out passed

Central Sun/Alcyone- onto the "The Greater Sun"
As I made my ascension/rising on the planes (magick

terminology)- I heard, loud "Odessa"
That, was my "word" (another magickal term)
If you have been Meditating, NeiGong, Cultivating- for
1 of 4 5/10/2014 1:15 PM
"awhile" your third eye is most likely "semi-opened" (which

means, it is opened- it gets better with practice)
Third eye doesn't just pop open.

It is part of the Jing Qi Shen circulation transmutation etc.
You don't just pop open your third eye without training the
whole bio-energy grid
Scrying- can be done, with eyes closed- so whatever visions

you are perceiving- can be called "scrying with the eyes
closed"
People make out "opening the third eye" as some tremendous

feat, and thereby attaching all sort of new-agey loopy
connotations to it.
I started this forum for only ONE reason.
I am totally against the mainstream manipulation of

Occultism.
It should have stayed "Occult/Hidden"
But now that it has gone mainstream- many people are
getting scared, getting $uckered, and taking it to "ridiculous
places"..
So, I decided to steer it to a better place.
A truthful place.
The only reason I made another thread- is due to the amount

of Email I get, in regard to demons.
2 of 4 5/10/2014 1:15 PM
Stop
You aren't getting demons.

Unless you deliberately want them.
Demons aren't stalking you, because now "your foot tingles

with energy"
I guess, in these emails- people have been listening to online

radio shows on YouTube
(I don't know/I don't care)
Demons- are not - EVERYWHERE.
Keep your aura tight, your mind semi-clean- and you will be
fine.
By the time you can produce enough good quality clean

energy in a substantial amount to be fed upon- you will ALSO
be strong enough to defeat it. (Overcome your demons/psych
101, etc)
Enough with the superstitious rhetoric, from worn out left

over religious fears.
3 of 4 5/10/2014 1:15 PM
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4 of 4 5/10/2014 1:15 PM
Rites: 6 Thunders = POWER UP - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34533-rites-6-thunders-power-up/
Rites: 6 Thunders = POWER UP

Thunder, POWER, gods, Rite, Hexagram, Internal Alchemy,
Quantum Entanglement, Morphic Resonance, Transmutation,
Sublimination,
Internal Alchemy
The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals
From man - Master
Quantum Entanglement
Summoning the Thunders
Morphic Resonance
Transmutation
Sublimination
WhatIsYourDestiny
(coming soon)
1 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
I did a 5.5 hour deep alpha/theta level trance on the Blood Moon
There was some good magnetic disturbance from solar flares and
a lunar eclipse
I like to piggy back off the multiversal flows
Can really feel this days afterward
Uroboros Posted 18 April 2014 - 12:06 AM
Internal Alchemy
The Quantum exchange = human - Immortals
From man - Master
Quantum Entanglement
Summoning the Thunders
Morphic Resonance
Transmutation
2 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
Sublimination
WhatIsYourDestiny
(coming soon)
This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into them,
SOTG.
Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we like

what we find!
This all sounds like fascinating topics. Please do delve into

them, SOTG.
Its all...something we need to understand. Whether or not we

like what we find!
Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb

but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize so
we will see
Some what dangerous - and I am sure the vampires who absorb
3 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
but do not contribute will go off secretly to critique and criticize

so we will see
All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play,

so to speak.
Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the

potential here is large.
All of this is somewhat dangerous. Thats the risk we pay to play,

so to speak.
Im in, though. It is sad that some are not contributing..the

potential here is large.
1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I

would never mention names
Free competition here versus paying for theirs
2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back
and
3) some people might think I am retarded
I am OK with all 3
4 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
1) Some teachers are telling their students to avoid this forum- I

would never mention names
Free competition here versus paying for theirs
2) Some/many people, just naturally take and never give back
and
3) some people might think I am retarded
I am OK with all 3
I can understand teachers not wanting their students to mix

systems/ methods...it can change how you develop..
Staying away just to make more money, though...That is not

something I agree with.
True, some do take and do not give...
I dont think you are retarded. Although...I am a strange one

myself. Hah!
The real test as to whether you are or are not retarded is the fruits
from the methods you prescribe + the knowledge you have.
5 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
...
You are certainly far from retarded.
Next to you I am retarded.
But I still a bit worried.

...
...
You are certainly far from retarded.
Next to you I am retarded.
But I still a bit worried.

...
don't worry be happy

Looking Into New Practices For
Mental Health, Enlightenment
and then perhaps Immortality ;)
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6 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
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Qi Abilities, Power
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7 of 7 4/30/2014 11:23 AM
Vibrating Palm - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34562-vibrating-palm/
Vibrating Palm
Vibrating Palm,
coming soon
In the mean time:
(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=core&
module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&
attach_id=3263)
In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick qi
and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems and the
brain.
It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I

have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.
Under the correct process- the right hand will do this on it's own
1 of 4 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
volition
OldChi Posted 19 April 2014 - 04:03 PM
Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session today.

Must of been some stagnant chi still in there.
My 2 cents, Peace
Edited by OldChi, 19 April 2014 - 04:03 PM.
OldChi, on 19 Apr 2014 - 16:03, said:
Had a lot shaking on my hands during my neigong session

today. Must of been some stagnant chi still in there.
My 2 cents, Peace
could be something else manifesting
to begin with, cultivate pressing with intent (not muscle) and go

directly there,
or, cultivate muscle and work towards intent.
either way, you'll need that dt potential
soaring crane Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:10 PM
2 of 4 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
Vibrating Palm
coming soon
how exactly are we supposed to understand that???
soaring crane Posted 21 April 2014 - 12:12 PM
In Wild Goose, we shake our hands to not only shake of the sick
qi and stagnation, to stimulate and heal the nervous systems
and the brain.
It has done allot for me in healing the nerve damage I

have.....Medical Drugs, man...They will hurt you bad.
I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years

ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no
opportunities in my location :/
soaring crane, on 21 Apr 2014 - 12:12, said:
I attended a pretty intensive Wild Goose workshop a few years

ago, found it fantastic and wanted to pursue it, but no
opportunities in my location :/
Wild Goose saved my life. Literally. It healed things that nothing

else could and gave me the opportunity to figure out how to heal
the root.
3 of 4 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
Its an amazing system. Truly.
good vibrato on guitar comes from the elbow (now 2+2 that with
the things I've said about laogung breathing.. )
4 of 4 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
Becoming a ĝod - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34460-becoming-a-od/
Becoming a ĝod
Immortal, God, Wuji, Troubleshoot, What Do You Want?,
Page 1 of 3
What is the Recipe, to become a ğod?
1 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:
Quote
How to progress so that Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so

hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you
That is the beginning of godhood
How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that
actually discuss this?
Most rather pray to an external diety
than become their own
HOW ABOUT, YOU?
Troubleshooting:
What is the next stage for your development?
Want to know?
2 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
Tell us:
How long you have been doing "this"

What is "This"?
Daily schedule?
Little piece of your personal history?
Age?
Sex?
Where is your life going?
How are your Results?
What are you feeling on All levels?
Do you want to be an Immortal?
Why?
From that info we can discuss how to further your own

unique cultivation, individualised, for You
...
Alright man.
Gimme a bit more time.

...
MooNiNite Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:08 PM
I got a PM from someone yesterday, asking me:
3 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
That is the beginning of godhood
are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and
forth when u meditate?
MooNiNite, on 12 Apr 2014 - 23:08, said:
are you talking about rocking, like your body rocking back and
forth when u meditate?
I'm not sure what he meant
maybe he will answer
Troubleshooting:
What is the next stage for your development?
Want to know?
Tell us:
How long you have been doing "this"

What is "This"?
Daily schedule?
Little piece of your personal history?
Age?
4 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
Sex?
Where is your life going?
How are your Results?
What are you feeling on All levels?
Do you want to be an Immortal?
Why?
From that info we can discuss how to further your

own unique cultivation, individualised, for You
I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild Goose
1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels happy
about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
XingYiQuan, training the various breaths with the 5 Element
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing into
my daily life.
Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or two
depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes, on a
good day into 1 hour.
Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction, making

slow consistent progress with QiGong and good supplementation.
Feel like I have not found the root of it, though. I love these arts
with a passion! Eventually want to be training for 6 hours a day.
23 years of age
Male
Moving into training these arts full time and traveling the world
for awhile.
5 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
My results are health based. my body is much stronger and

resilient then it was 3 years ago. My mind is sharper and faster,
memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months or
weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in general
life, more of my body is shown to me.
What am I feeling on all levels? Hmm....Inadequate. What I am

doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I need
to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.
Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was attainable

and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a short time feels
so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving yearning for it I have
had since childhood.
I want to experience so much of life, to watch as worlds end and

begin. Eventually, to potentially be able to do something useful
and good in the world with the great experience. To understand
the universes workings in deep detain and how to apply. To be
ancient. To watch and experience is the core.
How many people do you meet in your daily mundane life- that
actually discuss this?
Most rather pray to an external diety
than become their own
HOW ABOUT, YOU?
6 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
I have chosen the Path of becoming my own god. Of manifesting

and integrating my Divinity as fully as possible.
How to do that....Working on it! heh
What is the Recipe, to become a ğod?
The Trachea/Thyroid is the TaiJi...
7 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
Vagus Nerve/Carotid/Jugular is Yin/Yang..
Spine is beggining of TaiJi
How interesting...Not sure what that means yet...Fascinating,

though.
idiot_stimpy Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:29 AM
I think the idea of thinking you're God can be quite dangerous.

The fall can be great.
MooNiNite Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:32 AM
I'm not sure what he meant
maybe he will answer
well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the head
and the persons head rocks back and forth,
after the rocking comes complete stillness
i havent gone much further..
...but i doubt that's what he is talking about, that is just a personal

experience.
8 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
Edited by MooNiNite, 13 April 2014 - 01:33 AM.
idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said:

well there is a point when the energy kinda biulds up in the

head and the persons head rocks back and forth,
Its funny how people think its natural to think you are not god,
unnatural to think you are.....
Who decided that?
idiot_stimpy Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:39 AM
In my situation, I think it is better to leave that question

unanswered. The question being, am I God or am I not God.
Captain Mar-Vell Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:55 AM
...
My advice is Ahimsa (absolute non-violence) and Service, Metta
and Kompassion.
Golden Rule: Do who ye would be done by.
9 of 11 4/30/2014 11:32 AM
/me sips patiently at his cha.
/me cackles mischievously.

...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, 13 April 2014 - 10:26 AM.
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Becoming a ĝod
Page 2 of 3
I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild

Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels
happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing
into my daily life.
Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or
two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes,
on a good day into 1 hour.
Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction,

making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good
supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it,
though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be
training for 6 hours a day.
23 years of age
Male
1 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
for awhile.

memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months
or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in
general life, more of my body is shown to me.

doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I
need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.
Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was

attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a
short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving
yearning for it I have had since childhood.

Ok I can help you
I will post a little later on though
Had a rough night cultivating- something going on with my right

shoulder and hand and clavicle (suddenly lol)
2 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
idiot_stimpy, on 13 Apr 2014 - 01:29, said:

only in religious thinking
jesus said ye are gods

John 10:34
"god" has been trademarked copyrighted and registered lol as if

religion took that word and made it theirs
people need to define what they mean as "god"
that spark within you- that ignites the tan tiens- is "godhood"
shen is the road to godhood
the immortals- especially the spiritual immortals- are the

pavement of the golden brick road to infinity
having the victim syndrome, feeling guilty and worthless

is what religion wants you to feel
captive and useless
needing a saviour or redeemer to save pitiful us
we are all just worthless slaves
NOT FOR ME!
3 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
we are all teachers, while humbly being students = we are gods-in-

the-making
where on the circle is the beginning and the end?
one path
one walk
someone must be in front
we all can't walk through the gates shoulder to shoulder because

narrow is the gate
...
Quote
someone must be in front.
Ladies first.
Ha ha ha.
I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone k

thanks bye.
PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my

ppf if you wish to speak with me.
I'm not listening to the radio any more.*
4 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
No sirree.
It made me damn paranoid.
That and the taobums chat room.
I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon.
I shall never listen to the radio again.
Only to my beloved Guru, Olias!
Ha ha ha.
Enter the Mind Drive.
Yes are the greatest rock band evah!
I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact.
I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant.
But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room.
We shall see.
God bless us all and protect us.
Please, and the Queen of England too.
If God exists.
Or if he doesn't.
5 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know
where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be.
ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink.

...
it's ok bro
keep the white cocoon around you
hard shell protection
you're safe
breathe- if you can- do reverse MCO
cooling comforting- takes away anxiety, etc
...
Ladies first.
Ha ha ha.
I want to be left alone, anonymous and humble please everyone

k thanks bye.
6 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
PM me here on the taobums, or speak on an open thread or my

ppf if you wish to speak with me.
I'm not listening to the radio any more.*
No sirree.
It made me damn paranoid.
That and the taobums chat room.
I have thrown away all my radios, and shall move very soon.
I shall never listen to the radio again.
Only to my beloved Guru, Olias!
Ha ha ha.
Enter the Mind Drive.
Yes are the greatest rock band evah!
I don't know nuthin' bout no et either, and that's a fact.
I'm just a humble writer, yogi and mendicant.
But I may continue to serve cha in the taobums chat room.
We shall see.
God bless us all and protect us.
7 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Please, and the Queen of England too.
If God exists.
Or if he doesn't.
* Sorry Darren, Al, Alice and all the boyz n gurlz at you know
where radio. You are all swell and may ye thrice blessed be.
ps I really like dese forums. I stay here a while I tink.

...
...
I have been training QiGong for nearly 3 years, mainly Wild

Goose 1st Form. Occasionally Yin Gong Jin, when my body feels
happy about it...Recently, in the last 4 months started training
Forms. 2 years ago, started incorporating conscious breathing
into my daily life.
Over the 3 years, I have nearly every day (give or take a day or
two depending on my health state) practiced atleast 20 minutes,
on a good day into 1 hour.
8 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Born with fragile constitution, whole system dysfunction,

making slow consistent progress with QiGong and good
supplementation. Feel like I have not found the root of it,
though. I love these arts with a passion! Eventually want to be
training for 6 hours a day.
23 years of age
Male
for awhile.

memory is stickier. I now have bad days, instead of bad months
or weeks. I can feel subtle sensations during practicing and in
general life, more of my body is shown to me.

doing is helping...it does not feel like its enough. I feel like I
need to go deeper...best word to describe it. Deeper.
Hmm....Immortality is something I have always felt was

attainable and I desire it. There is so much to life that such a
short time feels so wasteful...There is also a deep, driving
yearning for it I have had since childhood.

9 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x 3

years
your results are good
but we can make them improve
THIS IS ONLY ADVICE- USE IT OR LOOSE IT- THAT'S UP TO

YOU, BUDDY
IMO/IME: I would do this, instead:
first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of Full
Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so says
many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)
now- there's more layers of subcutaneous fat on the lower

abdominals as opposed to the upper section
fat is energy
focus on your lower tan tien
breathe into it
into nostrils - down into it
allow diaphragm to expand and then exhale
10 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
do this a few times
Coming next: this is all my personal instruction- most

likely never written down by anyone else:
I want you to "see" a small solar orb/White Hot Lux

descending down in front of your body-
and allow it to drop down right in front of your lower tan tien
this appears to be "something similar to" Sol, our Sun
inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding light
directly into your lower tan tien
inhale it straight inside through lower abdominal wall-

exhale while squeezing the floor as the exhaled energy radiates
into your glowing orb inside your body= lower tan tien
Do this 25 times- faster each repetiton
while doing this- spin forward your lower tan tien
even if you can not feel it- it happens
Try this and let us know you results
GrandmasterP Posted 13 April 2014 - 11:08 AM
All respect to anyone who enjoys and can easily sit full lotus.
No disrespect intended in saying that it matters not a jot how
anyone chooses to sit for meditation.
The main thing is to 'sit' .
11 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Edited by GrandmasterP, 13 April 2014 - 11:08 AM.
GrandmasterP, on 13 Apr 2014 - 11:08, said:
All respect to anyone who enjoys and can easily sit full lotus.
No disrespect intended in saying that it matters not a jot how
anyone chooses to sit for meditation.
The main thing is to 'sit' .
Chunyi Lin talks about the Full Lotus, as the way energy points are
open to the Earth and Heaven with palms and feet up-
5 points up: Bai Hui, Laogong, and Yong Quan and the bottom of
the torso is aligned with Earth, fusing Earth and Heaven energy in
the strongest possible way.
Perineum is touching the ground, and pelvis tilted slightly while

head is suspended by a thread to the sky
The Central channel is worked perfectly this way
If meditation is not just a hobby, but a dedicated life path- Full

Lotus all the way!
This isn't just my opinion- read the ancient classics
Hindu/Padmasana and Daoist- they all go wth Full Lotus all the
way lol
12 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Quote
But, if someone just can't do it
then don't hurt yourself lol
but at least try everyday
a little here
a little there
Although- This Forum is for NeiGong - bordering on

NeiDan
Creating godlikepower on the road to Immortality
This isn't stillness movement - there's nothing wrong with

stillness movement- it just isn't something we're doing down
here
This isn't chi kung either
If YOU want your body(s) to ACHE from the BURN of QI JIN

SHEN - If YOU want YOUR TAN TIENS to GLOW and VIBRATE
so HARD - YOU can not take it one more second..
THEN THIS IS THE FORUM FOR YOU
But if you think you can accomplish this while sitting in your
recliner- IT WON'T BE HAPPENING ANYTIME SOON FOR YOU
13 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x

3 years

YOU, BUDDY
first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of
Full Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so
says many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)

fat is energy
breathe into it
14 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
do this a few times


inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding
light

Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path.
I did 25 reps.
My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into
15 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
my kidneys and made em a little hotter.
Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another 25

right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to concentrate.
Thanks, SOTG! I appreciate you helping me along the Path.
I did 25 reps.
My abdoment felt hot. Some of the heat,afterwards, moved into

my kidneys and made em a little hotter.
Its a taxing technique, though. 25 reps is tough. Doing another

25 right after ends up being not as powerful, harder to
concentrate.
awesome dude
no need to over do it
take your time
quality over quantity
awesome dude
16 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
no need to over do it
take your time
quality over quantity
Is there anything specific I should be looking out for?
What is the goal of this practice?
Markers for training, man! hah
Is there anything specific I should be looking out for?
What is the goal of this practice?
Markers for training, man! hah
I rather you tell me
this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally
no placebo
I rather you tell me
17 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
this way- it isn't put in your head subliminally
no placebo
Oh my! Placebo!!
We dun want that!
I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get a

harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too!
So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty in

me wants it all!!!!!
--that's the stuff I wanna hear! haha
Oh my! Placebo!!
We dun want that!
I shall see what occurs from this practice...Oh, Im gonna go get

a harmonica to do the bone breathing one, too!
So many goodies here...Like a chocolate store! The neigong fatty

in me wants it all!!!!!
18 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Ok, so you practice anywhere from 20 minutes to 1 hour daily- x

3 years

YOU, BUDDY
first- strive for that Full Lotus- yeah it sucks lol- but 1 hour of
Full Lotus is more potent than 4 hours of cross legged sitting- so
says many masters (& I agree, so add me to that list too, LOL)

fat is energy
breathe into it
19 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
do this a few times


inhale and absorb the heat and power and bright blinding
light

Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require
visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so
easy to think something real is being done when its just illusion....
Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though.
I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing.
20 of 22 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
Thanks, SOTG
Peace

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Do you have a another way to go about this that does not require
visualization? I am not a huge fan of visualizing things, it is so
easy to think something real is being done when its just
illusion.... Visualizing colors is something I am ok with, though.
I prefer body manipulation, awareness/ feeling + breathing.
Thanks, SOTG
Peace
just use standard breathing techniques for now
just use standard breathing techniques for now
Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization?
1 of 6 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more heat
in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball in LDT
, woo! Its nice.
Do you mean just use NAB along with the visualization?
I have been some of the MCO you posted and I feel allot more
heat in my LDT area....Mixing the MCO with spiral plus red ball
in LDT , woo! Its nice.
Circulating Qi, Kundalini awakening, and moving energy in

general, moves you to the top of the food chain in the astral
realms, where energy moves in lucid, liquid tides.
The practitioner is consciously moving their energy to various

locations across their body, via metaphysical meridians that do
not actually exist in the physical realm.
These meridians have physical counterparts, however, but the

meridians, nadis, themselves, are mapped out in a realm that is
not limited by time and space.
Breaching physical laws, and moving these flows of etheric

tides, and consciously attaching awareness to them, is what
2 of 6 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
powers you up.
Jing, shen, prana, chi - this is power, transformation, streaming

across dimensions and coloured by intent.
Someone who is working this, and then, masturbating, utilizing

visuals, porn, imagination, is creating a web of energy,
thoughtforms and streams/cords all over the place.
If, for instance, you are using a porn movie, and watching it
several times, you are actually strengthening these cords.
With power really does come responsibility.

Pumping, building energy, aiming, and releasing a cord of
energy.
That's masturbation. That's also a magick ritual.
These are very real laws.
If you are popping your root or sacral chakra, and bleeding the
energy in form of sexual arousal, while checking out your
neighbor's wife, she will feel this intuitively, somewhere in her
being.
Religious myths tell parables of, if you think it, you did it.
We can feign ignorance by replacing it with innocence, but if

you are preparing a body for godhood, you are responsible for
the Frankenstein light body you have created.
In the astrals, if you could view these aura shifts, you would see
the mess you have created.
3 of 6 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
A web of energy, some strong, some bleeding, some

backwashing.
Remember, time and space is breached by these energies.
I started discussing this here:
http://thetaobums.co...-and-sex/page-3
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/30582-movements-during-
orgasm-and-sex/page-3)
"As the myths of old, sex unites as one flesh.

The performers, viewers, create a web of etheric cords.
Not judging anyone, just a thought.
Kundalini is strong energy, using those lower chakras/Dan
Tien, etc, radiates interdimensionally at the viewed
target/recipiant.
Coloured by intent/emotion/enchantment/lust, empowers it."
"Chaos magick, has a law, that magickians create a sigil, and

although unknown to the casual spectator, will empower it for
the mage's own personal use.
Display this sigil on a T-shirt and stroll through the mall one
Saturday afternoon. This will charge that sigil just as well as
a coven of witches can raise a cone of power."
http://thetaobums.co...-making-a-mess/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/30856-celestial-pimping-you-might-be-making-a-mess/)
Also, wanted to add onto this discourse of, Celestial Pimping
4 of 6 4/30/2014 11:33 AM
It should be noted, that PK, Psychokinesis, is the force behind

poltergeist hauntings.
PK is usually emitted from a teenage occupant, related to the

haunting, that is entering Puberty.
Hormones, have etheric counterparts, and when coloured by

emotion, can produce PK..
Sperm, gives life, to "something"
I am not judging, but I know some people are having problems

with this subject.
Maybe in this light, it might bring you into a deeper

understanding.
If we follow the occult logic behind my posts in this thread, an

image while masturbating would be akin to etheric/RV stalking,
trespassing and rape., unless it is user consentual
It is no different than an Incubus
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NeiGong
NeiGong,
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I was going to name this The TaoBums NeiGong Forum, but

decided probably not a good idea
Just so not to confuse people in thinking it was another forum.
I want to try and stay on Topic.
I don't want any bad talking about other members, other

ex-members, other forums, etc.
None of that pertains to NeiGong.
There will some basic and some advanced info her.
Some of it many people never heard of.
__________________
1 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
1. The jen mo channel rises from the perineum and goes up

along the belly,
passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest, throat
and upper lip and
ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres. The
tu mo channel
rises from the perineum and passes through the coccyx to go up
the backbone to the
crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending in
the gums; it connects
thirty-one psychic centres
2. As contrasted with twenty-four organic channels according to

ancient medical
science.
3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the perineum,

goes up
between jen mo and tu mo and ends in the chest; it connects
twenty-four psychic
centres.
4. Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt

which circles the
belly; it connects eight psychic centres
5. Yang ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole and turns along
the outer side of
the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches the
shoulder, veering
to the neck, the corner of the mouth and the inner comer of the
eye, ending behind
the brain; it connects twenty-two psychic centres.
2 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
6. Yin ch'iao rises from the centre of the sole, turns along the
inner side of the
ankle and leg, skirts the belly and chest, reaches the shoulder,
turns up to the throat
and ends in the inner corner of the eye; it connects eight psychic
centres.
7. Yang wei rises from the outer side of the foot about one and
half inches below
the ankle, goes up the outer side of the leg and after skirting the
back of the body,
enters the upper arm, halfway along which it veers to the
shoulder, the neck, and then
behind the ear ending in the forehead ; it connects thirty-two
psychic centres.
8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches
above the ankle,
goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly and
half of the chest,
turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of the
top of the head; it
connects fourteen psychic centres.

along the belly,
passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest,
3 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
throat and upper lip and

ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres.
The tu mo channel
the backbone to the
crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending
in the gums; it connects

ancient medical
science.
3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the

perineum, goes up
twenty-four psychic
centres.

which circles the
the outer side of
the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches
the shoulder, veering
eye, ending behind
inner side of the
4 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
centres.
half inches below
back of the body,
psychic centres.
8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five
inches above the ankle,
goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly
and half of the chest,
turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of
the top of the head; it
wow cool. i will incorporate this.
a picture would be cool. i might have seen one..
Edited by MooNiNite, 08 April 2014 - 09:28 PM.
We can go hardcore here!
5 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
Once you know where all the key and tertiary meridians are, the
rest comes with general practice
We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual

physical location or "visualised" - OR both.
And if those cords that hold it together are real
and how to cut them
KenBrace Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:05 PM
We will discuss if the Elixir Field = Tan Tien- is an actual

physical location or "visualised" - OR both.
And if those cords that hold it together are real
and how to cut them
Imo the three dan tiens are not just physical locations. They are
probably similar to spiritual body like the stomach, heart, and
brain are to the physical body.
Edited by KenBrace, 08 April 2014 - 10:15 PM.
Wu Ming Jen Posted 08 April 2014 - 10:32 PM
6 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
HARNESS THE POWER OF ONE OF THE OLDEST AND MOST

SECRETIVE ANCIENT CHINESE ‘INTERNAL’ MARTIAL ARTS
TO BUILD AND RELEASE BOUNDLESS ENERGY, ATTAIN
VIBRANT HEALTH, AND DRAMATICALLY SLOW YOUR
AGING PROCESS!
For centuries Wudang neigong was the most closely guarded

secrets in all of ancient China… handed down to just a select few
for each generation.
So powerful are these internal energy secrets, for centuries the

discovery of their unauthorized teaching was a death sentence.
Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly
hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of
neigong available in book or dvd form.
I made a simple Banner for Signature
Took me a few minutes to make it
7 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
Nothing fancy
but says it all
a picture would be cool. i might have seen one..
the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different

location
Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations
Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT lower
in the abdominal region
so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians of a

human body can be misleading
Last few weeks I have been training about 6 hours daily- my new
life and schedule adjustments allow me to do such
I'm a hermit now
8 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
So over the past 40 years I would estimate I had approx. 400

students- that's including magickal as well as enochian studies
____________
I will be listing a Bibliography once I can access my flash drive
the thing with pictures is that everyone has a slightly different

location
Tan Tien locations depend on geographical locations
Those who live closer to the Earth's equator have their LDT
lower in the abdominal region
so to mark actual locations = longitude and latitude meridians

of a human body can be misleading
yes, i read dragons gate too.
tendou Posted 09 April 2014 - 06:48 PM
6 hours straight or in a few session?
tendou, on 09 Apr 2014 - 18:48, said:
6 hours straight or in a few session?
9 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
No not straight
2 or 3 sessions
Pho Wa is a Tantric practice for opening the Aperture of Brahma

on the crown of the
head, through which the consciousness leaves the human body for
rebirth in the Pure
Land.
Daoists employ a different technique which consists in putting the

energized
vital principle into microcosmic orbits MCO -so that
consciousness can leave the body
through the same opening in the crown.
This controlled death is important for the rebirth cycle.

MCO practice is essential to escape from the rebirth wheel
Visualizing in the body a blue psychic tube which is

red inside and stretched from the crown of the head to the
perineum.
Within this tube in the lower belly below the navel was a bright
pearl
which rose up to the heart center.
Sounds similar to g'Tummo
10 of 11 4/30/2014 10:45 AM
Crunching and crackling sounds and feelings in the skull and

sinus cavity is common if you get this correct

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I have an email list called -Lords Of Ziran
some of you may have read about it in my past PPF
Anyway, I have some info from it, that I will add here periodically
/ eventually
I've been doing a lot of practice and cultivating lately
The weather is warmer so doing much in Nature, streams, hiking
Lots of strong energy by running streams = negative ions = Yi
iradie Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:45 AM
Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making a

lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs
organisation.
1 of 50 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
iradie, on 10 Apr 2014 - 11:45, said:
Beautiful to be able to train 6 hours a day. You must be making

a lot of progress. I would like to do so part of the year.Needs
organisation.
We don't own a TV
Time is a precious commodity.
People do not realise how wasteful they have become with this
limited resource.
iradie Posted 10 April 2014 - 11:53 AM
Thanks to Wu Ming Jen posting the Wudang Neidan Gong.
Wu Ming Jen, on 08 Apr 2014 - 22:32, said:
Today the internet which has laid bare most everything formerly
hidden from sight has capitalized by offering parts and pieces of
neigong available in book or dvd form.
You are right : a lot is accessible which was not, and the videos can
be of great help, but I believe there is still a lot hidden, also
because it cannot be seen with the eyes. Or to see it you must have
another quality of sight.
I just think that if I had looked at this video 10 years ago I would
not have seen the same as today, And there is a lot I do not see
today because I have not understood it.
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Interview with Chunyi Lin of Spring Forest Qigong

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All the over-trolling will just be moved to The Pit: Here

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Quote
THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE

Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk
First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and
mind, sit
facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and
exhalation, and
place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to the
lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth against
the upper ones
thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red
dragon stir the
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sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow its

movements.
Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and count
your
breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is full
of divine
water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by
drawing up the
anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen
mo channel
through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins) and
then along
the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn thein
up and
breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until the
piSê pillow
(i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital
principle), as if
being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the
(central
channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and
descends to the
magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your
sahva which
should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace (the
heart) before
returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a
moment
and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to
make three circuits
in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly Current.
Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one
hundred
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and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm
cloth over the
navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air.
(The^cients
said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of the
heat in the
Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs of
the thumbs
against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the
eyes fourteen
times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six times
to refresh the
lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and the
face fourteen
times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the palms
of) your hands
and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly
over your
head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the
Heavens. Do all
this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring
fresh air, four
to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders with
your hands,
shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and bones.
Conclude
by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four
times, the
small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o
times.
1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth

thirty-six times to
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make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the

heat of rising praqa. A
quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible.
2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, ( touching, ©
closing and (d) inhaling.
Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana
through the coccyx;
touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge
connecting the psychic
centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest; closing
the eyes to look up is
to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling
without exhaling is to
avoid dissipation of the vital energy.
3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second
fmgers on the back
of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against the
bones above the ears
to make sharp sounds.
4. To connect the currents of pra<u in both arms, thus forming
another circuit
round the body.
From Li Zhongzi, A Primer of Medical Objectives (Yizong

Bidu), 1637:
The Classic states: 'Whenever we treat a disease, we must
approach it at the base.' Base here means root or source. Every
stream on earth has a source, and every plant has a root. If all
murky sediments settle at the source, the downstream waters will
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naturally be clear and fresh, and if we water a root, it will grow

and branches will sprout; these are the laws of nature. The
experienced physician, therefore, will always consider the source.
However, the body's source is differentiated into a prenatal and a
postnatal aspect. The prenatal source is the kidney; the kidney is
associated with the direction north and the phase element
water-water being the first offspring, in Taoism, of heavenly
Oneness. The postnatal source of the body is the spleen; the spleen
is known as the Central Palace and associated with the phase
element earth-earth being the mother of every living thing.
From Zhuang Yuanchen, Shujuzi: Inner Chapters (Shujuzi
Neipian), Ming Dynasty:
The kidney is the ocean of the human body. Since oceans are
situated on a lower level than the earth's streams and rivers, they
draw every one of them to form one large body of water. Oceans
may appear vast and inexhaustible, yet they still drain off some of
their seemingly unlimited supply. One way of drainage is called
'going to ruins,' meaning the water drains down into the earth
from where it will not return. The other way of drainage is called
'dwelling with the stars,' meaning the water steams toward the sky
and later rains down to earth again, where it dissipates into rivers
and streams and eventually returns to the ocean. This is the water
that circulates between heaven and earth, always striving to keep
an equilibrium between the extreme states of drought and
flooding.
In the context of the human body only the kidney can be compared
to the workings of this natural cycle. All the essences and fluids of
the body's various pathways pour into the kidney. After the kidney
has assembled the essential fluids of the body's vessels, it also
experiences two ways of drainage: one way is through the sexual
urge which draws the essence downward to the sexual centers;
once it exits from here it cannot come back into the system, so this
is just like the ocean "going to ruins." The other way is the upward
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dispersal by way of the suctioning affect of true qi, which draws

the body's combined essences all the way up to the flower pond
(mouth); from here it moves down through the throat into the
stomach, lubricating the five organ networks, nourishing all of the
body's pathways, and finally returning to the kidney. This is the
microcosmic process of ascending and descending that can be
compared to the ocean 'dwelling with the stars.'
Those who are knowledgeable in the art of nourishing life take
care to shut off the lower exit [of jing via ejaculation] while
striving to keep the upper pathway [of jing, nourishing the organs
and brain] open and unobstructed. In this fashion, there will be a
nourishing cycle that is free of leaks. Physical vitality (jing) and
mental clarity (shen) will be abundant, nutritive qi (ying) and
protective qi (wei) will be strong, inside (water essence) will be
sufficient to control fire, and outside (qi) will be sufficient to ward
off noxious influences. This is what the art of expelling disease
and the art of longevity is all about.
From Zhang Huang, A Compendium of Illustrated Texts
(Tushu Bian), Ming Dynasty:
In relation to the other organ networks, the kidney is situated in
the lowest position. It is associated with the phase element water,
and it is in charge of storing essence (jing). Just like water was the
first substance to emerge from heavenly oneness, the kidney is the
source of the human body, the initial sprout of physical life.
Everything between heaven and earth that is made from qi and
blood has the urge to mate. Once fire and water separate and
desire finds a match, the essence leaves the source, and what
creates the body will turn into what kills the body. If you are a
student of the Book of Change (Yijing) and align your desires
by fooling around with the lofty hexagram 41 [Sacrifice, Decrease],
then this is like being worried about floods at one moment and
about water leakage the next-you 'sacrifice' again and again, thus
using yourself up until there is nothing left to spare. Therefore, if
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you want to protect your source of longevity, there is no better way

than to guard yourself against sexual desires.
From Sun Yikuei, Contemplations On Unexplored Medical
Topics (Yizhi Xuyu), 1584:
In the Simple Questions (Suwen) section of the Neijing it is
stated: 'The kidney stores the qi of the bones and the marrow.' At
another place it says: 'The black color associated with the direction
north corresponds directly with the kidney; its corresponding
orifices in the body are the two yin (the genitals and the anus),
and its essence is stored in the kidney.' The Nanjing (Classic of
Difficulties) further explains: 'This is where males store their
essence.' This line does not mean that all of the essence is stored
right there; the brain is also called the sea of marrow, and the
kidney connects with the brain via the spine.
Master Shengsheng once said: 'Chapter 36 of the Nanjing states
that there are really two kidneys, namely the left one being the
actual kidney, while the right one is mingmen, the gate of life. It is
this mingmen that is the seat of all physical (jing) and mental
(shen) essences, and it is here that essence is stored in males, and
from where the uterus branches off in females. Thus, we speak of
two kidneys. Just as is said in chapter 39 of the Nanjing: 'The
fact that six fu organs are paired with five zang organs means that
the kidney really represents two organ systems, namely the left
one being the kidney, and the right one being mingmen. And
mingmen, that is the abode of jing and shen. This is where male
essence is stored and where the female uterus is attached; its qi is
on the same wavelength with the kidney.''
A detailed examination of both sections of the Neijing does not
yield any references to a differentiation of the kidney network into
two distinct parts. It was the author of the Nanjing who first
made this distinction. Does this mean that the entity which the
Nanjing author calls mingmen-the abode of jing and shen, the
seat of the original qi, the place where males store essence and
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females have their uterus-is nothing but idle talk? I say we have to
take this theory seriously, since it appropriately places extra
weight on the kidney network by emphasizing that the original qi
which lodges in the kidney is the source of our life force.
The Central Junction Classic (Huangting Jing) states: 'The
kidney qi regulates the upper burner, nourishes the middle
burner, and protects the lower burner.' The Collection of
Central Harmony (Zhonghe Ji) states: 'Breathing through the
process of opening and closing-that is what happens at the gorge
of mystery (mingmen), the root of heaven and earth.' Opening and
closing here does not refer to the regular action of inhaling and
exhaling through the nose or mouth, but to what is called the true
breath. The author of the Nanjing also said: 'The igniting spark
between the kidneys (shenjian dongqi) is the origin of the various
processes of human life, the base of the body's five zang and six fu
organs, the root of the twelve channel pathways, the door of
breath, and the source of the triple burner.'
Precisely this is what the concept of mingmen is all about. It is
what the Confucians refer to with their Taiji image, and what the
Taoists call the gorge of mysterious origination. If we take a close
look at a bronze acupuncture statue we can easily find out that the
point mingmen is not located on top of the right kidney, but right
between both kidneys. This certainly proves my point.
From Chen Shiduo, A Secret Manual from the Stone
Chamber (Shishi Milu), ca. 1690:
As has already laid out in detail in the Nanjing, mingmen is the
master of the twelve channel networks. But even though many
texts have since been written about this subject, the quintessence
of mingmen still remains in the dark. Therefore I chose to bring
up this topic one more time.
It is always said that mingmen is the master of the twelve channel
networks. Now, what kind of master is it exactly and what does it
master? Let me put it this way: if there is no fire inside us, we
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cannot exist. This fire must be there first so that the twelve
channel networks can be imbued with the igniting spark of
transformation. mingmen, therefore, is a type of prenatal fire.
This fire is immaterial and dwells in water. On earth, material fire
is being quenched by water. Immaterial water, on the contrary,
has the ability to generate fire. Therefore, when we say that "fire is
being quenched by water" we refer to material water; when we say
that "fire is being fueled by water" we refer to immaterial water.
And it so happens that immaterial fire can generate immaterial
water, meaning that fire is not contained within fire, but within
water.
Mingmen fire, is yang fire-a yang that is embedded within two
yin. In the microcosmic context of the human body, mingmen is
generated first, and only then the heart. Does this fact not
illuminate the importance of mingmen? When the heart procures
the power of mingmen, consciousness is in command, and we can
relate to the outside world. When the liver procures the power of
mingmen, it can plan. When the gallbladder procures the power of
mingmen, it can make decisions. When the stomach procures the
power of mingmen, it can absorb food. When the spleen procures
the power of mingmen, it can transport. When the lung procures
the power of mingmen, it can fulfill its administrating and
regulating functions. When the large intestine procures the power
of mingmen, it can pass on the waste. When the small intestine
procures the power of mingmen, it can disseminate. When the
kidney procures the power of mingmen, it can bring about
physical vigor. When the triple burner procures the power of
mingmen, it can keep the body's water pathways unobstructed.
When the bladder procures the power of mingmen, it can store. In
other words, there is not a single one among the organ networks
that does not rely on the mingmen fire for warmth and
nourishment.
This type of fire should be tonified rather than purged. This is
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done by tonifying fire within water, and especially by tonifying

water within fire. In this fashion, fire can be fueled by water and
at the same time be stored within water. If we just use cold or cool
herbs to attack the mingmen fire, it will become weak, and how
could it then nourish the twelve channel networks? This is what is
really meant by the Neijing statement 'when the master is dim,
the twelve officials are all in a state of crisis.' Doesn't that strongly
emphasize the importance of mingmen?
From Tang Zonghai, A Refined Interpretation of the

Medical Classics (Yijing Jingyi), Qing Dynasty:
The root of the triple burner is in the kidney, more precisely right
between the two anatomical kidneys. Right there is a greasy
membrane that is connected with the spine. It is called mingmen,
and constitutes the source of the three burners.
From Zhang Shanlei, A Revised Edition of Master Zhang's
Treatise on the Organ Networks (Zhang Shi Zangfu
Yaoshi Buzheng), ca. 1918:
The triple burner is really a name for the function of the body's
ministerial fire. It is the process of disseminating original qi from
mingmen, which is in charge of ascending and descending, and
absorbing and excreting. It roams in between the heaven and earth
of the body's landscape, and commands all bodily qi-the qi of the
five zang and the six fu organs, the protective qi (wei) and the
nutritive qi (ying), the qi in the channels and collaterals, and the
qi on the top, the bottom, the left, and the right. Its unofficial
name is therefore the central store house of clear qi. The upper
part is in charge of absorbing, the middle part is in charge of
transforming, and the lower part is in charge of excreting.
From Sun Yikui, Mysterious Pearls of Wisdom (Chi Shui
Xuan Zhu), 1584:
The so called triple burner is embedded in the greasy membrane
of the diaphragm, that is the hollow space between the five
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zang/six fu organs and the connective pathway through which

food and grain must pass. The qi of the triple burner is contained
and active within this space, steaming the diaphragm, reaching
out to the skin, differentiating the flesh, and setting everything
around it in motion. The regions that it reaches are labeled
according to their location, that is why we speak of the upper
burner, the middle burner, and the lower burner. Although the
triple burner does not have any structural reality to it, it has a
distinct location that is determined by the structural entities
surrounding it.
From Shen Jin'ao, Illuminating Lantern on the Origins of
Complex Diseases (Zabing Yuanliu Xizhu), 18th century:
What we call the triple burner is actually the corridor above and
below the stomach. The triple burner and its associated regions
thus entirely belong to the stomach, and what it oversees is
primarily the functioning of the stomach. The triple burner qi is
utilized to ferment and cook the food. Together with the stomach,
the triple burner is located in front of the taiyin spleen network-a
place that the roaming ministerial fire calls home. The term
"burner," therefore, refers to the triple burner's function of
cooking everything.
From Li Dongyuan, Illuminating the Science of Medicine
(Yixue Faming), 13th century:
The triple burner is an entity that has a name but no structural
form. It is in charge of all bodily qi, and it is a functional
manifestation of the three treasures [jing, qi, shen]. All of the
body's physiological movements, its unobstructed ins and outs
and ups and downs, therefore, rely on the triple burner-the
process of breathing in and breathing out, the ascending and
descending motion of qi, and the absorption and excretion of food
and water. The upper burner is located underneath the heart; it is
in charge of storing without draining. The middle burner is in the
center of the epigastric region; it is in charge of fermenting and
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cooking food and water. The lower burner is beneath the

umbilicus; it is in charge of differentiating the clear from the
turbid, and it drains without storing. The driving source behind all
three of these functions, however, is the middle burner.
From Chen Nianzu, The Three Character Classic of
Medicine (Yixue Sanzi Jing), Qing Dynasty:
The term triple burner refers to the qi that circulates in the upper,
middle, and lower burners. Burner means heat. Only when the
entire body cavity is permeated with hot qi can the body's water
ways be open and regulated. The triple burner is the fu organ that
forms a zang/fu pair with the pericardium, and thus belongs to
the phase element fire. In other words, if the heating qualities of
the upper burner are out of control, water will assault the upper
plains of the body. If the middle burner is out of control, water
will stagnate in the epigastric region. If the lower burner is out of
control, water will disturb bowel movements and urination. On
the other hand, if the triple burner qi is healthy and in control, the
body's channels and collaterals will be open and its water ways
will be disinhibited. It is for this reason that the triple burner is
called the official in charge of uninhibited water flow.
Jing is the Chinese designation for the essential fluid of our

physical body. The archaic Chinese character for jing denoted the
most refined essence obtained from rice (which is the main staple
of the Oriental diet, so this means the refined essence from food).
The basic yin (matter) from which all yang (physical action)
springs is jing. In classical Chinese medical texts, jing is
sometimes referred to as the body's "original water" with water
representing the ultimate yin ("original fire" being the ultimate
yang).
Water has a tendency to drain downward. The kidney, the lowest
of the organ networks, is where the body's water assembles and
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goes into storage until needed elsewhere. If the kidney function is

weak, its storage capability will become inhibited and jing will leak
from the body. Due to the Daoist belief that the jing is lost when a
man excretes semen (of particular concern, when an elderly man,
who already had deficiency of jing through aging, excretes semen),
virtually all of the ancient medical texts mention spermatorrhea (a
code for release during the disallowed practice of masturbation,
wet dreams, and ejaculation during intercourse when the attempt
is being made to prevent it) as a condition to be treated, since it
indicates a breach of the kidney's function of safeguarding and
storing jing. According to the Daoist ideal, except during early
adulthood, men should refrain from releasing semen, or, at the
very least, experience this infrequently.
Therefore, excessive sexual indulgence by males is considered to
be a major health hazard in all genres of traditional Chinese
writing. Since most men cannot control their urge to ejaculate,
every intercourse means an irrevocable giving away of jing.
Although Chinese medical texts consent that this may be
affordable for young men (who have a rich supply of jing and who
can easily replenish jing through post-natal sources), they
generally warn that the health of elderly males will suffer serious
consequences from frequent ejaculations. "What gives life will take
life" is therefore a common admonition that spans two thousand
years of Chinese medical literature.
While most Daoist and medical writings take up both the general
topic and the detailed techniques of safeguarding jing, it is the
realm of literature which best reflects the Chinese fear of
continuous jing loss by way of sexual indulgence. The epic Ming
Dynasty novel, Flower In the Golden Vase (Jin Ping Mei),
narrates the story of the erotomaniac Ximen Qing who peddles his
money and political influence to assemble a harem of six women,
then resorts to tonic drugs to bolster his flagging virility, and
finally comes to a horrid end after a final ejaculation of
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"mercury-like fluid, followed by blood and a gust of cold air." A

Daoist physician who is called to the deathbed comments: "The
candle flickers once the oil is used up." Both mercury and lamp oil
are often used metaphors for the kidney jing. To avoid such a
gruesome death, the handsome protagonist of the second moralist
novel of the Ming dynasty, Prayer Mat of Flesh (Rou
Putuan), decided to become a Buddhist hermit, cut off his
surgically amplified penis, and utilize his jing for spiritual
cultivation.
Although the word jing is synonymous with the Chinese word
semen, the seminal fluid represents only one form of jing. Other
dense fluid essences such as saliva (particularly the kind that gets
spontaneously excreted during meditation), vaginal fluids, breast
milk, or blood are all regarded to be different transformations of
one and the same jing; these are refined essences. Female
"leakage" problems, such as metrorrhagia or leukorrhea occurring
in older women, are therefore taken seriously for the same reasons
as loss of semen in men. Daoist body science even features a
special category called female alchemy (nu dan), wherein adepts
are instructed in the conservation of (menstrual) blood and its
transformation into physical and spiritual energy.
The jing stored in the kidney can be differentiated into prenatal
jing and postnatal jing. Prenatal jing contains the information that
is given to us before birth (we would today describe it as genetic
information) that is intimately linked to the growth and
maturation of an individual, which differs for men and women.
The defining passage in the Neijing for women reads: "At the age
of seven, the kidney qi [the physical action generated by the
material basis of kidney jing] in females is strong, and the teeth
come in. At the age of two times seven, the tiangui (stage of
hormonal and reproductive maturity) arrives, the conception
vessel opens, the penetrating vessel flourishes, menstruation is
regular, and pregnancy becomes possible." With regard to male
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physiology: "At the age of eight, the kidney qi solidifies in males

and teeth develop. At the age of two times eight, the kidney qi
flourishes, the tiangui arrives, ejaculation occurs, and it becomes
possible to have intercourse with females and beget children...; at
the age of seven times eight, the liver qi is exhausted, the tendons
are unable to facilitate smooth movement, the tiangui is dried up,
jing is sparse, the kidney system is exhausted, and symptoms of
physical aging are plentiful."
Postnatal jing is the nutritive essence distilled from food by the
spleen/stomach, and used to provide a constant flow of nourishing
dew to the other organ networks. If all the networks are plentifully
supplied, the surplus of the body's vital fluid transformation is
stored in the kidney. The Neijing states: "The kidney is in charge
of water, and it receives the essences of the other zang and fu
organ networks and stores it." Before birth, prenatal jing forms
the material basis for the development of postnatal jing. Once
born, postnatal jing continuously boosts the body's limited supply
of prenatal jing. Both forms of essence compose an indivisible
entity.
Kidney jing encompasses both kidney yin and kidney yang, often
referred to as the body's original yin and original yang. Kidney qi
is produced by the dynamic interaction between the two,
specifically the action of functional/warming kidney yang
steaming the material kidney yin. Kidney yin is the source of all
material body fluids, in charge of nourishing and moistening all
organ networks. Kidney yang, sometimes also called true yang, is
the source of all types of yang qi. It is the driving force behind all
processes of warming, generation, and transformation. The yin
and yang aspects of the kidney both rely on each other and control
each other. The proper balance between kidney yin and kidney
yang is an important precondition for health.
Will, determination, and power of memory are attributed to the
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kidney. The ability to keep a secret is attributed to the kidney's

power of retention and safeguarding against leakage. The Neijing
defined that "the kidney stores jing, and jing houses will power."
In turn, if kidney jing becomes exhausted, a weak will and poor
memory will result.
Fluids reach the kidney after they have been absorbed by the
stomach, raised upwards by the spleen, and sprinkled downwards
by the lung. At this point they become differentiated into clear and
turbid aspects by virtue of the transformative powers of kidney
yang. The clear part of fluid essence returns to the lung, from
where it moistens each one of the zang organs. From the lung, it
turns into nasal discharge, or sweat, or saliva, or tears; and it
differentiates into jing, blood, jin (liquids, that is the thinner
fluids moistening the muscles), and ye (the denser fluids
lubricating the joints and bone marrow). The turbid part feeds
into the bladder, where it is being transformed into urine, and
excreted.
Bone marrow is considered to be a transformation of kidney jing

that has the specific task of nourishing the bones. It is
differentiated into bone marrow, spinal marrow, and brain
marrow. Spinal marrow feeds into the brain, where the densest
concentration of "marrow" can be observed. The brain is therefore
also called the sea of marrow.
If kidney jing is plentiful, both the bone (supporting the body) and
the brain (supporting the mind) will be at a level of ideal strength.
On the other hand, a deficiency of kidney jing will bring about
brittle bones and a listless spirit. As the Neijing puts it: "The
kidney is the master of physical strength; it produces exquisite
movements/actions."
Since the teeth are considered to be the "surplus of the bones,"
they also rely on the nourishment of the kidney. If the jing is
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plentiful, the teeth are firm; if not, they come loose or fall out.
The hair's growth process is governed by the waxing and waning
of kidney qi. Again the crucial Neijing quote: "At the age of seven,
a female's kidney qi is in high gear, the second teeth come in and
the hair grows." Ancient texts often consider the head's hair to be
a direct outgrowth of the brain, which would relate it to the
kidney. The growth pattern and general luster of the hair is an
important indication for the condition of prenatal jing.
Although the process of breathing is governed by the lung, the

containment of incoming qi within the lower burner is governed
by kidney qi. Only if kidney qi is plentiful and its grasping power
sufficient can the qi passages of the lung be unobstructed and the
breathing be harmonious. If the kidney is weak and the breath
cannot "root" in the kidney, disease will eventually arise. Shallow
breathing, particularly in patients suffering from chronic asthma,
is therefore often associated with a kidney qi deficiency. In this
situation, the breath gets stuck above the diaphragm and cannot
descend into its rightful abode, the lower dantian. This aspect of
the kidney is one reason why there is such an intent focus on
abdominal breathing in Oriental cultures.
The kidney and bladder form a zang-fu pair: "The kidney is

connected with the bladder," states the Neijing; "the bladder is
the store house of the liquids and humors." This statement
reminds us that the bladder, similar to the gallbladder and the
small intestine, not only excretes unwanted waste materials, but
comprises a temporary station along the body's complex highway
of vital fluid transformation. Bladder function, particular its
function of "opening and closing," is largely dependent on the
power of kidney qi. If kidney qi is strong, normal water
metabolism will take place. The storage and excretion process of
water through the bladder is thus intimately related to the general
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functioning of the kidney.
The ears, which faintly resemble the kidneys in shape, are thought
to reflect the condition of kidney jing. Large ears and sharp
hearing indicate an excellent condition of kidney jing. As people
grow older, they not only become more forgetful, but their power
of hearing decreases (and sometimes their ears shrivel up) as their
jing depletes. As the original statement of the Neijing goes: "The
kidney qi communicates with the ears; if the kidney functions
properly, the ears can distinguish the five essential sounds."
Kidney qi, due to its mother organ's close proximity to the
openings in the lower burner, governs the opening and closing
function of the "two private parts," including sexual functions like
erection, ejaculation, and lubrication of the vaginal tract, and
maintenance of fecal continence (as well as urinary continence via
the control of the bladder).
The concept of mingmen, the vital gate of life, is an integral part of

the kidney system. The Nanjing (Classic of Difficulties)
elaborated on basic Neijing theory by figuratively differentiating
these two aspects of the kidney in structural terms, thereby
initiating a medical theory that was later referred to as the
mingmen school: "There are two kidney parts. Actually, not both
of them are kidneys. The left one is the kidney, the right one is
mingmen." The classic then goes on to elaborate that mingmen is
the place "where the entirety of bodily jing and shen is at home,
and where the original qi is generated." "It is the root of all zang-fu
networks, the foundation of the twelve channels, the gate of
breath, and the source of all three burning spaces." Later medical
scholars argued that mingmen is an immaterial force that could
not be physically located in the right kidney. Rather, its location is
the central point on the spine between the two anatomical kidneys
and opposite the umbilicus, thus forming a "posterior dantian."
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The Chinese name for the acupuncture point located there is

mingmen (GV-4).
The fire lodged within kidney water is often referred to as the
body's ministerial fire (xiang huo), as opposed to the imperial fire
(jun huo) of the heart. In its role of the "minister" serving the
higher centers, it warms the spleen, ripens food, grasps lung qi,
and gives volume to a person's voice.
The triple burner, a fu organ that is said to pass through and

connect all of the body's three burning spaces, stimulates qi
transformation with a specific focus on water metabolism. It keeps
the body's water ways unobstructed and smoothly operating.
These functions of the triple burner are intimately tied to the
kidney and bladder. The Neijing says: "The upper burner is like a
mist, the middle burner is like a swamp, and the lower burner is
like a ditch," referring to the essence misting activity of the lung
on top, the fermenting action of the spleen/stomach at the center,
and the canalization of water in the lowest part of the torso.
Injury to Kidney (Yin) and Mingmen (Yang) Fire: if the

kidney's ability to store jing becomes disturbed, a person's growth
patterns and reproductive ability will be affected; infertility, hair
and tooth loss, slow physical development, or softness and
malformation of the bones may result.
If within the kidney jing the crucial controlling/generating balance
between kidney yin and kidney yang becomes disturbed, different
symptom patterns may arise. Typical manifestations of
hyperactivity of yang due to kidney yin deficiency are burning
sensation in the palms and soles, tidal heat sensations, night
sweats, spermatorrhea, or sexual dreams. When the kidney yang
is exhausted and thus unable to execute its ministerial warming
function, symptoms of listless spirit may result: sore lower back
and knees; cold sensations in the body and its extremities;
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inhibited urination or frequent and profuse urination; early

morning diarrhea; asthmatic panting upon slight physical
exertion; difficult breathing; impotence and premature
ejaculation; or infertility due to a "cold uterus." If there is evidence
of kidney deficiency without obvious cold or heat symptoms, this
symptom complex is usually referred to as kidney qi (or kidney
jing) deficiency.
It is important to understand the intimate relationship of kidney
yin and kidney yang, and that prolonged kidney yin deficiency will
eventually influence kidney yang and vice versa. This phenomenon
is usually called a deficiency of kidney yin implicating kidney
yang, or a deficiency of kidney yang implicating kidney yin.
Changes in Water Metabolism: since the kidney is said to be
in charge of water, all pathological changes involving water are in
some way associated with the kidney. If there is a lack of kidney
yang, the body's general process of qi transformation will suffer,
and consequently water metabolism will be inhibited. As the
Treatise on Blood Diseases (Xuezheng Lun) explains: "If
there is not enough yang qi, pathological water accumulations will
turn into phlegm and distress the heart or attack the lung, or cause
symptoms of edema, abdominal pain accompanied by a sensation
of qi rushing upwards, or diarrhea and intense cold."
Most cases of phlegm or edema occur when the yang fire is unable
to transform yin water. Figuratively speaking, the kidney is the
general commanding the two water fu organs which are mainly
involved in the transportation and transformation of water,
namely the triple burner and the bladder. As the Neijing says:
"The shaoyang [triple burner] belongs to the kidney; above, the
kidney connects with the lung, and thus has two fu organs under
its command [triple burner and bladder]."
Therefore, if there is not enough kidney yang, the upper burner
cannot properly distribute fluids, the middle burner cannot
properly steam and ripen food and separate the clear from the
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turbid, and the lower burner cannot properly transform qi, thus
influencing the opening and closing ability of the bladder (causing
excessive or inhibited urination, as in bed wetting, frequent
urination, nocturia, etc.).
Moreover, since urine is manufactured from body fluids which are
in part produced by the kidney, a deficiency of kidney water will
always involve a deficiency of fluids, causing inhibited urination.
Along the same lines, too much urination will eventually harm the
body's fluid supply.
Emotional Influences on Proper Kidney Function: the
kidney is said to house the force of will power and determination.
Will power, therefore, relies on nourishment by kidney jing. If jing
is weak, then will power and its sustained expression (memory)
will also be weak.
Intense or prolonged fear, the emotion associated with the kidney,
will cause injury to the kidney qi, resulting in impotence,
spermatorrhea, or the gradual development of cowardly behavior.
The other way around, a physical deficiency of kidney jing can
cause a disposition for panicky and fearful behavior.
Kidney Disorders Causing Pathological Changes in the
Bones, the Marrow, the Hair, and the Ears: if kidney jing is
sufficient, the continuous production of high quality marrow is
assured, resulting in properly nourished and, thus, firm and
strong bones. Otherwise the skeletal structure will be weak, or
structural changes such as osteoporosis might occur.
If the kidney is harmed by pernicious qi affecting the kidney jing
and consequently the marrow and bones, there will be symptoms
of weak and sore waist and legs, or even atrophy of the legs
causing severely limited mobility. As the Neijing states: "If
kidney qi is pathologically hot, the lumbar spine will be inhibited,
the bones will become brittle and the marrow scorched, and
atrophy of the bones will result."
For the same reasons, symptoms of loosening and deteriorating
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teeth, or the drying, greying, and gradual falling out of hair are
related to the state of the kidney's jing qi. Since the ears and the
associated sense of hearing also depend on nourishment by the
kidney's jing qi, ringing in the ears, loss of hearing, or deafness
are typical symptoms for various aspects of kidney deficiency.
Moisten the kidney (tonify kidney yin) (zi yin; bu shen

yin): rehmannia (dihuang), tortoise shell (guiban), asparagus
root (tianmendong), lycium fruit (gouqizi), morus fruit
(sangshenzi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi).
Warm the kidney (strengthen yang; tonify the vital flame
of life) (wen shen; zhuang yang; bu ming huo): aconite
(fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui), sulphur (liuhuang), morinda
(bajitian), deer antler (lurong), cnidium fruit (shechuangzi),
cistanche (roucongrong).
Complement jing and tonify the marrow (tian jing bu
sui): animal bone marrow (dongwu jisui), animal brain (naosui),
placenta (ziheche), deer antler (lurong), antler gelatin (lujiaojiao),
tortoise plaster gelatin (guijiao), cordyceps (dongchong xiacao).
Restore the storing action of the kidney (astringe jing;
stop vaginal discharge; curb frequent and profuse
urination) (gu shen; se jing; zhi dai; shou se xiao bian):
schizandra (wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), alpinia (yizhiren),
rubia (fupenzi), mantis egg case (sangpiaoxiao), rose hips
(jinyingzi).
Restore the kidney's function of grasping and retaining
qi (na qi gui shen): schizandra (wuweizi), psoralea (buguzhi),
gecko (gejie), cornus (shanzhuyu), aquilaria (chenxiang).
Aid the transformation of bladder qi (hua pangguang
qi): cinnamon twig (guizhi) and hoelen (fuling), cinnamon bark
(rougui), lindera (wuyao), fennel (xiao huixiang), saussurea
(muxiang), citrus seed (juhe), litchi seed (lizhihe).
Open and disinhibit the water passages of the bladder
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and the triple burner (tongli pangguang, sanjiao): alisma

(zexie), hoelen (fuling), polyporus (zhuling), talc (huashi), akebia
(mutong), tetrapanax (tongcao), tokoro (pixie), polygonum
(bianxu), lygodium (haijinsha).
Clear kidney heat (moisten yin and descend deficiency
fire) (qing shen re; zi yin jiang huo): anemarrhena (zhimu),
phellodendron (huangbai), morus bark (digupi), eclipta
(hanliancao).
Discharge kidney fire (purge fire with salty and cold
materials) (xie shen huo; xian han xie huo): salt (qingyan),
halite (qingyan), urine (tongbian), calcitum (hanshuishi).
Since the kidney is the representative lower burner organ, it

generally needs to be addressed with high amounts of heavy and
sticky substances. The 18th century fever school authority Wu
Jutong once described this characteristic in graphic terms: "Lower
burner therapy is like a weight-if it is not heavy enough, it does
not reach the bottom."
Kidney disorders are generally of a cold and deficient nature.
Kidney therapy, therefore, needs to focus primarily on the
tonification of deficiency; purging of excess is a definite taboo. If
kidney water is deficient, the kidney needs to be tonified by
moistening yin. If kidney jing is deficient, it needs to be
replenished by supplementing jing and tonifying the bone
marrow. If kidney yang is deficient, the kidney needs to be
tonified by using modalities that strengthen yang. In the more
advanced scenario of mingmen fire exhaustion, materials that
warm and tonify the vital flame of life need to be employed.
Since the kidney has both yin and yang aspects, pathological
situations may arise from an imbalance in the ratio of kidney yin
and kidney yang. The most typical example is the upflaring of
deficiency fire due to a deficiency in kidney water, which calls for
a descending action that re-anchors the floating fire in the yin
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waters of the kidney. This is primarily achieved by the use of yin

tonics which will bring the diminished yin level back to full
capacity and thus naturally extinguish the deficiency type of
pathological heat. If yang deficiency has begun to implicate yin,
both jing and marrow should be supplemented and the vital flame
of life be warmed and tonified. If both kidney yin and yang are
deficient, both the various aspects of the kidney and the vital
flame of life should be tonified.
In the common scenario of spleen and kidney deficiency, both
spleen and kidney yang need to be tonified. In case of lung and
kidney deficiency, both lung and kidney yin need to be moistened.
In chronic asthma patients where kidney deficiency results in an
inability of the kidney to grasp the descending qi from the lung,
the kidney needs to be warmed with substances that specifically
assist with the action of grasping and retaining qi, such as gecko
(gejie) and schizandra (wuweizi). If lung metal fails to properly
generate kidney water, kidney yin needs to be moistened indirectly
by nourishing the yin of its mother system, the lung. If kidney
water fails to nourish its son, liver wood, the liver needs to be
supported by moistening kidney yin and/or kidney jing. In the
case that kidney deficiency has caused an exhaustion of the earth
network, the lower burner's vital flame of life needs to be
rekindled with warming substances in order to provide the
transformative forces of the middle burner above with the
activating heat they require.
If the extended water network (including the kidney, the bladder,
and the triple burner) is compromised by a damp heat condition,
the dampness should be disinhibited with materials of a cooling
nature that have a specific affinity to the lower burner, such as
alisma (zexie), polyporus (zhuling), and talc (huashi). If the
transformative powers of the bladder and the triple burner fail
due to an exhaustion of the kidney's vital flame of life, then this
type of pathological water accumulation needs to be transformed
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by primarily warming kidney qi, and secondarily by adding

several herbs that directly move out the pathological water. If
phlegm, dampness, or water rheum stagnate internally, phlegm
damp needs to be disinhibited, and water rheum driven out.
If the kidney has been damaged due to chronic illness, exaggerated
emotions, or excessive sexual activity, a change of the situation or
life style that has originally caused the condition is imperative.
Simultaneously, the recovery of the kidney system can be
supported by prescribing a selection of tonic agents that moisten
yin, strengthen yang, or nourish jing and marrow.
As the water network, the kidney has an aversion to dry
influences. It would be particularly detrimental to exclusively
employ bitter and drying substances in a situation where the
kidney yin is deficient. Perhaps unexpectedly, the Neijing
recommends pungent flavors to counteract dryness in the kidney;
these pungent flavors aid the lung in distributing moisture to the
kidney. In clinical reality, herbs like cuscuta (tusizi) and cnidium
fruit (shechuangzi) fit this category. The kidney strives for a state
of guarded firmness and tight solidity. If the storage fortress of the
kidney is properly buttressed, precious essence will not leak out.
Many bitter materials, although they should be used cautiously for
the reasons just mentioned, have a stabilizing affect on kidney yin.
Anemarrhena (zhimu), an herb that is both bitter and moistening,
and phellodendron (huangbai) are the prime substances used in
situations of continuous jing leakage, particularly lower burner
deficiency fire fueling obsessive sexual urges, excessive
masturbation, recurrent sexual dreams, spermatorrhea, or certain
types of leukorrhea.
Salty flavors have a direct affinity to the kidney network, and are
generally beneficial when used in moderation. "Salty flavors
generate the kidney," comments the Neijing. Increased dietary
intake of salt, usually obtained from stored foods with salt as the
preserving element, taken during the water season (winter)
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contributes to preserving the kidney against the cold. On the other

hand, salt has a percolating and leakage-promoting affect that is
overall unsuitable for an organ system that is in charge of storing
and metabolizing physiological jing, humors, and fluids.
Therefore, excessive consumption of salty foods is discouraged, as
it will harm the kidney and its affiliated body layer. "If the disease
is in the bone layer," the Neijing points out elsewhere, "do not eat
salty foods."
If the kidney root is damaged, many of the body's stem and branch
organs have already entered a pathological state first. If kidney
yin-that is the base substance from which liver yin, stomach yin,
heart yin, lung yin, and the body's humors and fluids are
formed-is deficient, it usually means that the condition is
preceded by a yin deficiency in other organs. Similarly, the
essential flame of the lower burner only flickers after the light in
the upper levels has grown dim. This situation has given rise to a
school of medicine that favors kidney tonification in most
deficiency situations. Tonifying kidney yin and kidney yang,
proponents have argued since the 13th century, means to moisten
and strengthen the body's source yin/yang and thereby the
yin/yang of all organ networks. However, the root status of the
kidney also implies that kidney deficiency is often accompanied by
inadequate spleen/stomach function. This poses a problem in
light of the fact that herbal kidney therapy requires heavy amounts
of sticky substances that are generally hard to digest. One attempt
to remedy this situation was the addition of herbal "digestive aids"
to kidney formulas such as Rehmannia Six Formula (Liuwei
Dihuang Wan). Pharmacists at the renowned Beijing herb
emporium Tongren Tang, for instance, used to automatically add
small amounts of the aromatic cardamon (sharen) if the patient's
prescription called for large amounts of the greasy kidney tonic
rehmannia (dihuang). Proponents of the spleen/stomach school,
on the other hand, have argued that kidney deficiency is often the
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result of a deficiency of its controlling network, namely spleen

earth. Spleen tonification advocates have said for more than half a
millennium that this should be the primary modality to regenerate
the kidney system. In any case, caution needs to be exercised
regarding the prescription of heavy "water" substances to patients
who show signs of digestive weakness, such as poor appetite,
bloating, and tendency to experience diarrhea or loose stool. A safe
method for the direct tonification of lower burner source qi has
been developed by the ancestors of Chinese medicine, namely
Daoist practitioners of "inner alchemy." The term inner alchemy
refers to Qigong exercises of the quiet, meditative kind that focus
on generating warmth and fullness in the lower dantian.
KIDNEY YIN DEFICIENCY (shen yin xu): primary

symptoms are dizziness; blurry vision; ringing in the ears; sore
and weak lower back or knees; burning in palms and soles; tidal
heat sensations; night sweats. Secondary symptoms include dry
mouth and throat; flushed face; emaciated features; premature
graying of hair; low sperm count in males; decreased menstrual
flow and infertility in females; forgetfulness; insomnia;
spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; heel pain; yellow
urination; dry stool. The tongue typically presents with a red body
and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid.
Representative Herbs: rehmannia (dihuang), cornus
(shanzhuyu), asparagus root (tianmendong), ho-shou-wu
(heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum (nuzhenzi), tortoise
shell (guiban), turtle shell (biejia), scrophularia (xuanshen),
eclipta (hanliancao), anemarrhena (zhimu).
Representative Formulas: Return the Left Decoction;
Achyranthes and Rehmannia Formula (Zuogui Yin); Rehmannia
Six Formula (Liuwei Dihuang Wan).
KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY (shen yang xu): primary
symptoms are pale or dark complexion; listless spirit; obvious
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aversion to cold; cold extremities; low sex drive; weak or cold and
painful lower back and knees; early morning diarrhea; frequent
urination or clear and profuse urination. Secondary symptoms
include impotence; premature ejaculation; infertility; clear vaginal
discharge; inhibited urination and edema; dizziness; ringing in
the ears. The tongue typically presents with a pale, tender, and
often toothmarked body, and a white and slippery coating; the
pulse tends to be deep, slow, and forceless.
Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon bark (rougui),
epimedium (yinyanghuo), morinda (bajitian), psoralea
(buguzhi), deer antler (lurong), curculigo (xianmao), fenugreek
(huluba), cistanche (roucongrong), cynomorium (suoyang).
Representative Formulas: Return the Right Pill (Yougui
Wan).
KIDNEY QI DEFICIENCY (shen qi xu): primary symptoms
are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower back and
knees; physical and mental fatigue; shortness of breath. Secondary
symptoms include pale complexion; spontaneous sweating;
decreased mental and physical growth rate in children; frequent
urination; nocturia; spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation;
asthmatic panting upon exertion. The tongue typically presents
with a pale body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine
and weak.
Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), dioscorea
(shanyao), eucommia (duzhong), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra
(wuweizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), morinda (bajitian).
Representative Formula: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi
Wan).
KIDNEY JING DEPLETION (shen jing bu zu): primary
symptoms are dizziness; ringing in the ears; weak or sore lower
back and knees; low sperm count in males; amenorrhea and
infertility in females; delayed mental and physical development in
children. Secondary symptoms include decreased memory; slow
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and clumsy body movements; dull facial expressions; emaciated

body structure; hair loss; loose teeth; late closing of fontanella in
babies; muscular atrophy.
Representative Herbs: placenta (ziheche), deer antler
(lurong), tortoise shell gelatin (guijiaojiao), cordyceps
(dongchong xiacao), cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang), lycium
fruit (gouqizi), cornus (shanzhuyu), eucommia (duzhong),
cistanche (roucongrong).
Representative Formula: Placenta Restorative Pills (Heche
Dazao Wan).
BILATERAL DEFICIENCY OF KIDNEY YIN AND YANG
(shen yin yang liang xu): primary symptoms are dizziness;
ringing in the ears; weak, sore, or painful lower back and knees;
cold fingers and toes and/or burning sensations in palms and
soles; night sweats or spontaneous sweating. Secondary symptoms
include pale complexion and/or flushed face; poor memory;
insomnia; vivid dreaming; listless spirit; loose teeth; dry and split
hair; unsteady walk; swollen feet; asthmatic panting upon physical
exertion. The tongue typically presents with a red body and little
or no coating, or with a pale body and white coating; the pulse
tends to be fine and rapid, or deep, slow, and weak.
Representative Herbs: cooked rehmannia (shu dihuang),
ho-shou-wu (heshouwu), lycium fruit (gouqizi), ligustrum
(nuzhenzi), cornus (shanzhuyu), cuscuta (tusizi), schizandra
(wuweizi).
Representative Formulas: Rehmannia Eight Formula (Shenqi
Wan); Five Seed Fertilize the Ancestral Force Pill (Wuzi Yanzong
Wan).
THE KIDNEY QI FAILS TO EXECUTE ITS STORING
ACTION (shen qi bu gu): primary symptoms include clear,
frequent, and dribbling urination; enuresis; bedwetting;
spermatorrhea; premature ejaculation; tendency to miscarry; clear
vaginal discharge. Secondary symptoms include pale complexion;
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mental and physical fatigue; weak or sore back; loss of hearing;

spontaneous sweating. The tongue typically presents with a pale
body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak.
Representative Herbs: schizandra (wuweizi), euryale
(qianshi), rose hips (jinyingzi), mantis egg cases (sangpiaoxiao),
dioscorea (shanyao), alpinia (yizhiren), dragon bone (longgu),
oyster shell (muli), cuscuta (tusizi).
Representative Formulas: Golden Lock Shore Up the Jing Pill
(Jinsuo Gujing Wan); Mantis Formula (Sangpiaoxiao San);
Retract the Source Pill (Suoquan Wan).
THE KIDNEY FAILS TO GRASP AND RETAIN QI (shen
bu na qi): primary symptoms are shortness of breath or
asthmatic panting (brief inhale, longer exhale), especially
following physical exertion. Secondary symptoms include pale
complexion; puffy face; blue lips; emission of small amounts of
urine when coughing; spontaneous sweating; general aversion to
cold; cold extremities; weak or sore lower back and knees; mental
and physical fatigue. The tongue typically presents with a pale
body and a white coating; the pulse tends to be fine and weak, or
floating and uprooted.
Representative Herbs: walnut (hutaorou), gecko (gejie),
psoralea (buguzhi), schizandra (wuweizi), cooked rehmannia
(shu dihuang), ginseng (renshen), codonopsis (dangshen),
aquilaria (chenxiang), amethystum (zishiying).
Representative Formulas: Ginseng and Walnut Decoction
(Renshen Hutao Tang); Ginseng and Gecko Powder (Shen Jie
San); All Encompassing Qi Pill (Du Qi Wan).
YIN DEFICIENCY CAUSING FIRE EFFULGENCE (yin xu
huo wang): primary symptoms are flushed face and red lips;
restlessness; difficulty falling asleep; dry mouth and throat;
burning sensation in palms and soles; tidal heat sensations; night
sweats. Secondary symptoms include obsessive sexual fantasies;
excessive urge to masturbate; frequent sexual dreams; dark
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urination; constipation. The tongue typically presents with a red

body and little or no coating; the pulse tends to be fine and rapid.
Representative Herbs: anemarrhena (zhimu), phellodendron
(huangbai), coptis (huanglian), raw rehmannia ( sheng
dihuang), peony (baishao), cynanchum (baiwei), eclipta
(hanliancao), lycium bark (digupi).
Representative Formulas: Anemarrhena, Phellodendron, and
Rehmannia Formula (Zhi Bai Dihuang Wan); Lock in the Marrow
Pellet (Fengsui Dan).
KIDNEY YANG DEFICIENCY CAUSING WATER
EFFUSION (shen yang xu shui fan): primary symptoms are
puffiness and edema (especially prominent in lower extremities).
Secondary symptoms include ashen or waxen face color; inhibited
urination; obvious aversion to cold; cold extremities; palpitations;
stuffy sensation in chest; shortness of breath; cough or asthmatic
panting accompanied by expectoration of runny and clear phlegm;
heavy and painful waist; abdominal fullness; scrotal edema. The
tongue typically presents with a fat, pale, and toothmarked body,
and a white and slippery coating; the pulse tends to be deep and
wiry; or deep and fine.
Representative Herbs: aconite (fuzi), cinnamon twig (guizhi),
hoelen (fuling), curculigo (xianmao), alisma (zexie), plantago
seed (cheqianzi), polyporus (zhuling).
Representative Formula: Vitality Combination (Zhenwu
Tang).
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THE MICROCOSMIC ORBIT TECHNIQUE

Secrets of Chinese Meditation Charles Luk
First stop your thinking (process). After regulating body and
mind, sit
facing east, with crossed legs. Adjust your inhalation and
exhalation, and
place the right hand upon the left one, drawing them close to
the lower belly below the navel. Then knock the lower teeth
against the upper ones
thirty-six times to stabilize both body and spirit. Let the red
dragon stir the
sea thirty-six times,^ directing your (closed) eyes to follow
its movements.
Now let the tongue touch the palate. Calm your mind and
count your
breath three hundred and sixty times. When your mouth is
full of divine
water, rinse it a few times and then practise the four acts^ by
drawing up the
anus to ensure (for the vital principle) free passage in the jen
mo channel
through the coccyx and the middle gate (between the loins)
and then along
the spine up which it moves faster. Close your eyes, turn
thein up and
breathe in slowly through the nose without expiring, until
the piSê pillow
(i.e. the back of the head) is pierced through. Then (the vital
principle), as if
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being forcibly pushed up by the faculty of seeing, rises up the

(central
channel), circles the Kunlun peak (the top of the head), and
descends to the
magpie's bridge (the tongue). Now swallow one third of your
sahva which
should follow (the vital principle) down to the Bright Palace
(the heart) before
returning to the ocean of prana (the lower belly). Pause for a
moment
and repeat the same exercise for a second and third time to
make three circuits
in all. This is called the reverse flowing of the Heavenly
Current.
Rest for a httle and, with your hands, rub the lower belly one
hundred
and eighty times. When taking the hands away, put a warm
cloth over the
navel and lower belly in order not to expose them to cold air.
(The^cients
said: 'The secret of immortality Ues in the preservation of
the heat in the
Field of the Elixir (in the lower belly).') Then, chafe the backs
of the thumbs
against each other until they are hot and, with them, rub the
eyes fourteen
times to quench the 'fire' in the heart, the nose thirty-six
times to refresh the
lungs, the ears fourteen times to invigorate the kidneys and
the face fourteen
times to strengthen the spleen. Close the ears with (the
palms of) your hands
and beat the heavenly drum.^ Then raise your hands slowly
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over your
head, bringing the two palms together* as if to salute the
Heavens. Do all
this three times and slowly breathe out impure air, inspiring
fresh air, four
to five times. Then (with crossed arms) hold the shoulders
with your hands,
shaking them a few times to invigorate your nerves and
bones. Conclude
by rubbing the jade pillow (the back of the head) twenty-four
times, the
small of the back i8o times and the middles of the soles 18o
times.
1. The red dragon is the tongue; roll it round your mouth

thirty-six times to
make saliva flow, thereby reducing the scorching effect of the
heat of rising praqa. A
quicker way is to roll the tongue back as far as possible.
2. The four acts consist of (a) drawing up, ( touching, ©
closing and (d) inhaling.
Drawing up the anus is to promote free passage of prana
through the coccyx;
touching the palate with the tongue is to make a bridge
connecting the psychic
centres in the h?ad with those in the neck and the chest;
closing the eyes to look up is
to control the mind and to push up the prana; and inhaling
without exhaling is to
avoid dissipation of the vital energy.
3. Place the palms of the hands on the ears, press the second
fmgers on the back
of the head with the first fingers and snap the latter against
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the bones above the ears

to make sharp sounds.
4. To connect the currents of pra<u in both arms, thus
forming another circuit
round the body.
So the main part of this is, in simplified language-
put right hand on top of left, on ldt
click teeth 36 times
tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times
tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times
then, keeping the saliva in mouth
suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang +

slow inhale+ hands on ldt
once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue
swallow 1/3 of saliva
follow it down to ldt
-end-
Is that a close breakdown, SOTG?
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So the main part of this is, in simplified language-
put right hand on top of left, on ldt
click teeth 36 times
tongue sweeps the mouth + eyes following 36 times
tounge on palate + breathe with ldt for 360 times
then, keeping the saliva in mouth
suck anus up and in (anal lock) + closed eyes look up to yintang

+ slow inhale+ hands on ldt
once the qi reaches the baihui, it will move to the tongue
swallow 1/3 of saliva
follow it down to ldt
-end-
Is that a close breakdown, SOTG?
Yes thats old school MCO
Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit

encompasses your whole aura
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Sung Breathing
“This is an extract from an article written by Damo Mitchell,
founder of Lotus Nei Gong, January 2011.”
Sung breathing is a technique which, although simple, has
profound effects on health and consciousness. Benefits range
from relaxing the body right the way through to helping you
reconnect with the two great powers of Heaven and Earth.
The process of changing the way we work with our breath is
as follows:
First, we consciously take control of our breathing. We

need to over-ride the unconscious process which allows us
to breathe without thinking.
Second, we learn how to Sung breathe.
Then we return control of our breathing to the unconscious
processes having retrained our body’s natural breathing
process to a new, more efficient method.
Basic Purposes of Regulating the Breath

Our breathing serves a multitude of purposes but on a basic
level it enables us to carry out the following tasks:
Bring oxygen into the body

Expel carbon dioxide from the body which would otherwise
be harmful
Helps us regulate our emotions to a certain extent
Increases our acquired Qi intake
Regulates the internal pressure of the torso
Allows us to reconnect to the powers of Heaven and Earth
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The above functions of breathing enable us to develop a strong

foundation for further Qi Gong training.
The Principle of Sung
It is not enough to simply relax during practice of Qi Gong or
indeed any of the internal arts. The Daoists use the term Sung
instead of ‘relax’ for good reason. In brief, Sung can be
translated as: the systematic transference of habitual tension
from either the physical or consciousness body into the
energetic realm.
This may sound a little confusing but in essence it is quite
simple as long as we remember that Sung is an energetic
process which largely takes place within the energy body.
The key to transforming physical tension and tension from the
consciousness body into energetic factors which can be
released is to develop harmonization of the three bodies of
man through our breathing.
Tension within the physical body is simply a piece of
information which is stored as a vibration. This tension may
have been caused by any number of physical or emotional
factors which, for the most part, we will be unaware of during
the process of Sung. As we use our Sung breathing technique,
the frequency of this vibration alters. It is transformed into an
energetic state and so moved into the meridian system before
being discharged from the body. The result is that our physical
tension fades away. The more we practice this process, the
deeper we can delve and so we find that tension which has
been stored deep within us is released leaving us feel lighter
and more mobile. Releasing the body of physical tension is a
long and difficult process that moves through the following
stages:
Removal of tension from the large muscle groups

Removal of tension from the semi-fluid connective tissues
such as ligaments, tendons and most importantly fascia
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Removal of tension from the deeper layers of fascia which

sit deep within the body, particularly the layers
surrounding the organs
As the deepening layers of physical tension begin to vanish you

will notice different changes taking place within your body.
Your posture will begin to change as the bones are allowed to
‘relax’ back into their natural position. The tension which
pulled them out of place is let go of and so you should
immediately start to notice aches and pains disappearing. You
will find that your flexibility increases as joints loosen and the
spaces between your bones open up. As the ever-deepening
layers of fascia loosen, internal movement will increase and
your entire body will soften; the feeling is much like the body
of a small child which is very pliable and rubbery.One of the
major changes that you will find is an increase in your
stamina levels. It is very draining for the body to store tension
and letting go of it means that you will feel refreshed and full
of ‘zest’.
Tension within the Energetic Body
The energetic body will store tension as blockages in the
various pathways of the meridian system. It is impossible for
physical imbalance not to be reflected in an energetic
imbalance. These blockages within the meridian system
decrease the efficiency of Qi flow and so in turn can lead to
sickness.
Qi is driven through the meridian system by the rotation of the
lower Dan Tien. The nature of this Qi is constantly changing in
response to various factors including our health, emotional
state and the quality of the Qi which we draw in from our food
and air. The energy body is capable of naturally expelling a
certain amount of energetic imbalances when we breathe but,
due to the nature of modern living, we tend to develop more
imbalances than we can effectively deal with in this way.
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Through learning the Sung breathing technique we clear

tensions or blockages in the meridian system far more
effectively. They are mainly expelled through our extremities
and several major energy points including: Laogong (PC8),
Yongquan (K1) and Baihui (GV20) providing that they are
effectively opened through our internal training.
Tension within the Consciousness Body
Tension within the consciousness body is manifested as
imbalances within our psychological state of being. In the
same way that the physical body can develop tensions through
injury and illness, the consciousness body can build up tension
through the various stresses and difficulties we face in our
daily lives. As soon as we have an awareness of the negativity
within life we are developing tension within the consciousness
body. From a young age we are damaging our psychological
state and building up layers of emotional debris. These can
manifest in later life as some sort of physical illness or an
emotional breakdown.
Our emotions are simply a manifestation of imbalances within
the consciousness body. That is not to say that we are trying to
rid ourselves of our emotions through our practice, instead we
are trying to bring them to a stable point rather than
experiencing constant emotional fluctuations which is the case
for the vast majority of people.
Sung breathing uses the method of transforming
consciousness tension into energetic tension so that it can be
removed from the body. Consciousness tension is converted
down from the frequency of Shen to Qi whilst physical tension
is converted up from the frequency of Jing to Qi. In this way
we are finding the ‘middle path’ in our practice. This is a
common aim in both Daoist and Buddhist practices. It is
important to note that the later stages of Nei Gong training
are more akin to meditative and alchemical practices and so
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consciousness body tension is simply removed directly via the

mind. It does not pass down into the energy body first. Sung
breathing is not as advanced as this and could be considered
an intermediate practice which helps provide the foundation
for further development into meditation. For this stage in our
Nei Gong training it is more than adequate and one
advantage that it has over meditation is that it does not rely
on us being able to achieve the difficult stillness of the mind.
Andrei Posted 12 April 2014 - 10:32 AM
This is macrocosmic orbit:
Microcosmic orbit is only governor and conception channels.
Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt which
circles the
Commonly called Chi-belt
Energy ALWAYS Spirals
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Clockwise going down

Counter clockwise coming up
Unless you live in the opposite side to the western world
Reverse that, then
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Altruism!, and everyone working together nicely.

No trolls- awesome!
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Soos, on 17 Mar 2014 - 23:54, said: (http://thetaobums.com

/index.php?app=forums&module=forums&section=findpost&
pid=532003)
Two years ago what is described here spontaneously happened

to me for the first time while jump-roping.
Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians.

Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulse-
especially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground
first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing of
pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen.
The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points
being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in
your head.
Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT -
Bubbling Springs
Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire

yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event.
http://thetaobums.co...nique/?p=532133 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34121-very-powerful-energy-generatingactivating-
technique/?p=532133)
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Abstract-
My MCO runs Reverse:
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Up the Conception and down the Governor's Channel.
Some theories suggest females have a reverse MCO, by nature.
I am male, but mine runs in reverse.
I do not produce heat- even when my Kundalini erupted, it was

not the melting heat variety.
Unlike g'Tummo where I can stay warm in cold climate, mine is

opposite.
I can sit in a very hot sauna, well over 280 degrees (F) for over
20 minutes with no problems, not even rehydrating while doing
it.
I do this a couple of times a week.
Other gym members come in there after me, but leave long
before me
I sweat a lot, and rehydrate afterwards.
I also use a lot of steam, and not the infrared variety.
So in my estimation, if g'Tummo uses Yang, then mine is using

Yin.
I use a grounding wire when I meditate in doors.
Simple copper tubing running into the ground outside my
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temple window, about 6 feet down.

Flattened iron container on the other end, which I placed inside
a double terminal Quartz crystal. (which can be used as a stand
in for a Yin field, to get Yang out of the body)
Quartz oscillates, and contains Piezoelectric properties.

Quartz crystal watches, etc
I also use a Yang cushion I made- which is Orgone/Yang/Blue

energy.
I sit on this small orgone cushion, placed directly under my

tailbone, raises me off the floor about 2 inches, while seated in
full lotus.
The grounding wire is raised slightly, and touches my

Perineum/bare skin.
This is used, with several varieties of seated meditation, for 2

hours daily.
http://thetaobums.co...gnetic-version/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34321-reverse-gtummo-yimagnetic-version/)
Yes thats old school MCO
Basically the Microcosmic Orbit then the Macrocosmic orbit

encompasses your whole aura
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In this version of MCO, do you exhale after you swallow the

saliva?
Also, do you move your awareness+ eyes down to LDT?
Bringing it up, then down with awareness and eyes?

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I don't use the MCO
But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use this
MCO to thin the flow out
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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by a

thread, and swallow
don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow
It will flow automatically
MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody
I don't use the MCO
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But sometimes, if the LDT is just too strong to contain, I use

this MCO to thin the flow out
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make sure your head is being pulled up like being suspended by

a thread, and swallow
don't depend too much on eye movement to make Qi flow
It will flow automatically
MCO - does it all by itself- for everybody
What do you use, if not the MCO?
Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the anal
lock + eyes+ spine extension?
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What do you use, if not the MCO?
Is there any intent used, to guide the qi or do you just use the
anal lock + eyes+ spine extension?
intent
anal lock later on, for compression etc
we want to avoid imagination
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Quick & Easy:
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This meditation awakens and circulates qi through the two

primary energy
meridians of the body. In this meditation you will practice
ascending qi up the
Governing Channel, which runs from the base of the spine to
the crown of the
head ending in the upper palate of the mouth, and descending
qi down the
Functional Channel, which runs from the tongue down the
front midline of the
body. This cycle of ascending and descending qi is called the
microcosmic orbit.
The circuit of this orbit is only connected when the tongue
touches the upper
palate of the mouth. For this reason, you see this instruction in
the qigong above
and in this meditation.
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Intention of the practice: Qi flowing down the front of your

body cultivates openness
and receptivity to what is unfolding in life both inside and
outside. Qi flowing up
the back of your body cultivates responsiveness and
expressiveness. As qi
circulates up and down, around and around, a deep harmony
emerges between the microcosm in you and the greater
cosmos. This harmony reveals our beingness in a
deep, subtle, and profound way.
Structure of the practice: Please do this meditation for 20
minutes every day after
practicing the Energy Circulation Qigong.
One of the fundamental principles of qigong is “Where the
mind moves the qi
follows.” When you focus your attention on a particular
location in your body, you
activate the flow of qi in that area of your body. We will be
utilizing this principle
in this meditation by moving our attention to lead the qi
through the microcosmic
orbit.
1. Posture
a. Sit on the floor or in a chair in such a way that your knees
are lower
than your hips, your back is upright and supporting itself, and
you are
solidly grounded.
b. Tuck your chin in slightly to raise the back of your head and
fully
elongate your spine.
c. Direct your gaze at a 45° angle toward the floor in front of
you with your
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eyelids half open/half closed.

d. Place your hands comfortably in your lap.
2. Focusing Attention / Focusing Qi
a. Focus your attention on the center of your belly, your lower
dan tian,
and begin following your breath as your belly rises and falls.
Rest your
attention there for several minutes as you follow your breath
to allow the
mind to settle.
b. Imagine each breath acting like a bellows fanning a fire in
your belly. As
you follow your breath, your belly fills with qi and becomes
warmer.
3. Orbiting Attention / Orbiting Qi:
a. Close your mouth and gently press the tongue to the roof of
your mouth
behind your front teeth to close the circuit of the microcosmic
orbit.
b. Inhaling qi up your back: Inhale as you draw in your
abdomen and
tighten your anus very slightly. As you do this, move your
attention
slowly from the perineum up the midline of your back to the
crown of
your head.
c. Exhaling qi down your front: Exhale as you gently push
your abdomen
out slightly and relax your anus. As you do this, move your
attention
slowly from the crown of your head down the midline of the
front of your
body to your belly center.
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d. Continue in a cyclical manner to inhale qi up your back and

exhale qi
down your front. 4. As in all meditations, your mind may
wander. When you notice your mind
wandering, simply return your attention back to orbiting
without selfjudgment.
If your mind is wandering a lot, then return to Focusing Qi
(step 2)
and resettle your mind for a few minutes before continuing
with Orbiting Qi
(step 3).
5. At some point you may experience the qi moving through
this orbit
automatically. If this happens, simply allow the qi to move at
its own pace
without trying to control it.
In-Depth:
The exercise “Microcosmic Orbit” or sometimes they call it

“Small Cosmic Orbit” or “Small Celestial Orbit” is one of
the most important exercises in Taoist system.
In Ancient China this exercise was called “driving boat along the
river” for the channels resemble rivers, and to drive a boat along
the river, the river must have enough water, i.e. Qi. That is why to
master “Microcosmic Orbit” it is necessary to have experience in
practicing those exercises that contribute to generating,
accumulating and refining Qi, these are Big Tree and
Yang-Qigong.
The human body has 12 ordinary energy channels and 8
extraordinary. The most important of them are Du-Mai and
Zen-Mai that control the work of all the other channels.
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20070416112222_en.jpg”Microcosmic Orbit” is the route of Qi

during its constant circulation along the channels Du-Mai and
Zen-Mai.
Zen-Mai channel has its origin in the point situated on the soft
tissue under your tongue and goes down the midline along the
chest and abdomen to the perineum (Huei-Yin point). Du-Mai
channel starts at the Huei-Yin point and goes up along the back
towards the head, crosses the crown (Bai-Huei point) and turns
down along the front part of the forehead to the point on the upper
palate.
Practicing qigong we always put our tongue up onto the
upper palate thus enclosing both channels and encouraging
constant energy circulation along the Microcosmic Orbit.
This is important from the point of personal security.
Qigong practicing generates much Qi energy. Energy stimulates

the blood flow. There is more and more energy, it becomes more
Yang… and starts going up, to the head. Ascending together, both
blood and energy create excessive pressure in the head; it may
cause headaches, brain swelling and rather serious consequences.
To prevent it, energy must be routed off from the head down the
front-middle Zen-Mai channel. It happens spontaneously if
the tip of the tongue touches the upper palate, as the
tongue like a bridge connects both channels and the energy flows
freely.
When we practice Microcosmic Orbit the requirement to press the
tongue onto the upper palate is of a particular importance, it
must be done for the exercise practice.
One day it will not be needed any longer. Energy, like water in
pipes, when the pipes are cleaned before the general turning on,
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will smash all the blocks on its way and train the channels…
Zen-Mai and Du-Mai channels may be trained so that they will
grow wider and deeper… expanding they will imbibe and absorb
the neighboring channels… and one day all the body will be one
unified entire channel, one entire Dantian, one biologically active
point.
Then the energy will be flowing in any part of the body steadily
and uninterruptedly. There will never be any blockages and it
means the perfect health.
This is the global objective of Microcosmic Orbit.
Qi energy on its course along the Microcosmic Orbit restores,
cures and improves kidneys, spine, brain and the area of the Third
Eye…
Microcosmic Orbit also redistributes the surplus Qi directing it to
the areas that have more need of this energy.
Sexual energy deserves a special mention. After regular 1st step
practicing it starts generating intensively and produces strong
sexual desire. To avoid problems that might arise and turn your
life into uncontrolled and destructive Pandemonium, the
abundant sexual energy may be transformed into the “higher” and
“more delicate” energies with the help of Microcosmic Orbit
exercise.
The exercise is simple and as Yang-Qigong is practiced in a sitting
position.
Chan Chuan (Big Tree) practicing accumulates enough Qi in our
body. At first, we concentrate it in the area of the Lower Dantian
in the shape of a sphere, just picturing the image of a red hot ball
in the Lower Dantian, as we do during Yang-Qigong exercise.
Then we move the energy along the Microcosmic Orbit.
There are two ways to move Qi along Microcosmic Orbit:
With your mind and breath;

Only with your mind (not binding it to the respiratory
rhythm).
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Without a teacher’s supervision it usually takes not less then three

months to learn this exercise. Qigong calls it “a hundred-day base
for the further practice”. During this period you have to abstain
from sex.
This may be quite a long time and an arduous trial for the
common person, who now lives in a civilized European society
and is not going to display the miracles of heroism trying to
persuade his instructor in his will to study.
The developing module of Wu Chan Zhong Qigong is specially
designed for the ordinary secular people, having many interests
and occupations beyond Qigong, so it uses special intensive
methods. During the seminar class, an instructor shares his own
energy with the students in order to let them feel and learn it
quicker. You can also use our distance training option. However,
when I say "to learn it quicker" i means "you will quicker get the
sensations and gain confidence that you are doing the right thing."
The sensations are not important, you'll get them sooner or later.
The main thing is regular practice. Just practice, even without any
sensations, they will come eventually and you will see for yourself
that "it works!"
But the real result is not the sensations but an ability to enter with
the help of exercises into Qigong States, and further wonderful
and positive metamorphoses of your body and mind, that come
with it. You have no idea how much your life will change if you are
able to practice "very quiet" at least 20-30 minutes daily for 2-3
months, or if you can enter "the pause" for 10-15 minutes just for
2-3 weeks!
Microcosmic Orbit with Assistance of the Breath
Starting position: sit straight on the edge of a chair (occupying
about one third of the seat space). Tuck your chin in slightly so
your neck is straight. Top of your head is “hung by the string”.
Eyelids are drooped. Tongue touches the upper palate. Hands are
placed on the area of the Lower Dantian, left over right for women,
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vice versa for men.

Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and
feel inside it a red hot ball.
While inhaling draw your abdomen in and slightly retract the
anus, thus pushing energy out of the Lower Dantian, down to the
perineum to Huei-Yin point and then – upward, along the spine
and Du-Mai channel to Bai-Huei point. You have to keep mental
track of energy movement from the Lower Dantian to Bai-Huei
point. Doing the described operations we make the energy in the
Lower Dantian more concentrated (rising its tension), it becomes
more Yang and therefore goes up along the only available rout –
first, it is squeezed down to the perineum and then flows up.
Tracking the energy flow we stimulate the process with our mind…
for where the mind is (and an intention itself) there the energy is…
Exhaling, relax your abdomen and your body, move your Qi from
the point Bai-Huei down; from the upper palate through the
tongue along the front of your trunk (along Zen-Mai channel) to
the Lower Dantian. And mentally keep track of Qi motion.
Drawing the next breath repeat elevating Qi from the Lower
Dantian through Huei-Yin point along Du-Mai channel up to
Bai-Huei point; and breathing out send you Qi down back to the
Lower Dantian; and so on…
The style of breath used in this manner of exercising is called
reverse breath.
In the end of the exercise imagine the red hot ball again in Lower
Dantian, squeeze it into the tiny dot, pat your head and chest to
prevent Qi stagnation in the head area… Massage your ears and
shake your body…
Practice the exercise for 30 minutes.
Attention!:
The pause between breathing in and out is not allowed, so Qi
movement doesn’t stop in the head area.
After you breathe out you may pause and stop Qi movement to
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collect it in the Lower Dantian, then again send Qi along the

Microcosmic Orbit;
People with severe hypertension should not to retract their anus,
as it may lead to an increased blood pressure.
Microcosmic Orbit with Consciousness Alone.
Starting position is the same.
Concentrate your attention on the Lower Dantian. Imagine and
feel a red hot ball inside it. Mentally send the energy down to the
perineum, then send it up to the head, then down to the perineum,
up to the head…
Keep mental track of energy passage along the Microcosmic Orbit
as if you scan Du-Mai channel from bottom to the top and
Zhen-Mai channel from top to bottom…
Complete the exercise the same as all the other exercises…
The time of practicing is 30 minutes.
Commentary: This exercise is easier practiced in the second
offered style (with your consciousness) if you “trigger” Qi
movement with the breath�. And in this case, it is practiced for
5-10 minutes according to the first variant and then is continued
for the rest 20-30 minutes following the second style.
***
How “to watch” the channels?
Watch slightly, -“seems to be, seems not to be”. You do not have to
imagine the ball and its detailed journey along the “rivers” of your
channels… Do not drag your sensations through the body, don’t
force anything. Just run your attention along the back (you may do
it along the spine or “somewhere around there”)...
And one day you will feel something really moving up your back
and then going down the abdomen…
At first the area of sensation will be really small and it will skip
along rather than being continuous; sometimes sensed, sometimes
not… You do not have to intensify concentration, just remember
the description of Yang-Qigong exercise practice.
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With further experience the sensations become more stable and

the felt area of energy course tends to expand and grow.
One day, just by turning a part of your attention to your back you
will feel the entire Du-Mai channel, and turning it to your front
you will have a feeling of Zen-Mai channel. In this case, you just
have to turn your mental sight from back to front… feeling the
energy circulation in the channels…
And some time later, it may be enough just to sit in the starting
position of Microcosmic Orbit and you will be able to feel the
energy flow in each and every point of Microcosmic Orbit at one
and the same time. All you have to do is just to sit still, watching
and feeling the entire Microcosmic Orbit. This is a good way to
achieve “pause” as if you were sitting on the river bank watching
the waters constant stream.
Even when you are busy with the daily routine, doing whatever
you are doing , your Microcosmic Orbit will be constantly working
and, as soon as you pay attention to it you will feel the entire
Microcosmic Orbit…
It signifies that the exercise has been mastered and
Microcosmic Orbit has opened.
Commentary:
About “drooping eyelids” as an element of the starting position of
this exercise: Some people insist that it is the most effective for
meditation because with the eyes open, too much irritating
information penetrates our mind and interferes with the State of
Qigong. But they also say that when you keep your eyes completely
closed it may take you to “getting into some peculiar trance states
that have nothing in common with the State of Qigong”, or you
may just easily fall asleep.
In fact, it is better to close your eyes and not spend additional
effort keeping the “slit between the eyelids narrow enough to see
the light”. Strictly following this recommendation we impose our
mind with some unnecessary effort-consuming rules and
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regulations. It may hinder relaxation and main effect. Do the

exercises in a way that is most simple, easy and comfortable for
you. When the State of Qigong comes, all the muscles, including
those on your face, will relax on their own and your eyelids will
open on their own, the right way for you.
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Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it
did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my head
then letting it go, it fell down.
Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique and

feeling, some intent (not visualization).
I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what
other goodness you post!
This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely.
Peace
Interesting.....I used the anal lock later, as you said to try and it
did feel different....It helped move the qi over and around my
head then letting it go, it fell down.
Yes, I do not like using imagination...I prefer to use technique
17 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
and feeling, some intent (not visualization).
I will look that book up, thanks SOTG! I look forward to what
other goodness you post!
This is a good forum you created. Its blossoming nicely.
Peace
Thanks man
When you do anal locking-- try this:
Locking the floor is what I call it
Squeeze Perineum, Anal area, but relax Coccyx-
release and squeeze again
Like a Pump
INhale squeeze and PULL UP
Exhale down into area- release the locks
This will generate HEAT
Pull up that heat into your LDT
let me know how it works for you
18 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
wish I could more adequately describe the crane neck motion I use
for the saliva swallow - similar to that central channel activation
technique I mentioned, take a potential and actuate it into the
crane neck when the saliva is full and swallow around the
energetic culmination of the movement....dropdropdrop thud
ldt-gurgle
I had to chuckle at the feeling the mco stuff...just knowing the

points and executing the pattern, there's no trying.
Quote
The methods of the five arts are all inseparable from a number
of major elements: heaven,
earth, and humanity; yin and yang; water, wood, fire, earth, and
metal. These also produce the sky and
earth "stem and branch" parameters of the calendrical system,
as well as the eight trigrams and nine
chambers. Among these, yin and yang are the most fundamental
elements. "The Way produces one,
one produces two, two produces three, three produce myriad
things." The "two" is yin and yang, the
"three" is heaven, earth, and humanity. Heaven, earth, and
humanity also contain the five elements,
each of which has yin and yang. When primordial chaos first
began to open up, there was a single
energy, undifferentiated and still; the energy contained yin and
yang and had both cloudiness and
clarity. The clear energy swirled to the left and rose to produce
water, then turned into fire when it had
climaxed. The cloudy energy swirled to the right and descended
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to produce metal, then turned to

water when it had climaxed. Between yin and yang, at the hub of
rising and descending, the centered
energy became earth. So yin and yang are the governing order of
all things, the parents of evolution,
the origins of vivifying and killing, the seat of spiritual
illumination.
As for the calendrical stems and branches, there are ten "sky"
stems and twelve "earth"
branches. In combination, they make the sixty-year cycle. These
stems and branches are all divided into yin and yang. They have
correspondences in time and space, which are essential to
calculating
techniques used for prognostication.
The eight trigrams are constructed by spatial and temporal
changes in positions of broken yin
and solid yang lines. Three lines make a trigram, six make a
hexagram. A trigram is divided into three
positions representing heaven, earth, and humanity, with a
distinction between yin and yang line
positions. A hexagram is also divided into three positions
representing heaven, earth, and humanity,
and yin and yang positions are also distinguished. The
permutations of the eight trigrams produce the
sixty-four hexagrams, which are used to represent myriad
things.
The "nine chambers" is a notation device used to complete the
spatial arrangement of the eight
trigrams in the four cardinal and four intermediate directions,
which otherwise leaves a space in the
middle.
Using these basic elements of calculation, based on their mutual
production and their
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extension, the natural laws of evolution of myriad things are

investigated, using the present to
examine the past, using the present to figure out the future.
These are the tools used by the ancients for
purposes of prognostication.
Thanks man
Like a Pump
21 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the
coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated..
It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor. Hmm.
I will continue to experiment.
When I pull the pelvic floor and anus up, how do I relax the
coccyx? It seems to tighten a bit when the anus is activated..
It feels hard to inhale whilst pulling up on the pelvic floor.

Hmm.
I will continue to experiment.
think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the root

of the penis
Tai mo begins from both sides of the navel forming a belt

which circles the
Commonly called Chi-belt
Energy ALWAYS Spirals
22 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
Clockwise going down

Counter clockwise coming up
Unless you live in the opposite side to the western world
Reverse that, then
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This NeiGong Forum has really taken off, I am thankful

for that.
Altruism!, and everyone working together nicely.

No trolls- awesome!
THANK YOU EVERYBODY!
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Those who are sending me PM's and Emails- unless

they are personal, please ask your questions on this
forum- so others can benefit from the Q&A
I took the MCO and added some spirals per this recipe....The
results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist was
FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!
The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head until

it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like lightning.
Very interesting....Shall experiment more.
23 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
think prostate instead. in taoist yoga reference is made to the

root of the penis
Ahh, very helpful, Joeblast!
Thanks a bunch!
The root of the penis, mhm...Strange point, that one.
results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist
was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!
The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head

until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like
lightning.
awesome!
24 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
results were immediate. The rising sensation + counter twist

was FAST! Also, increased the sensation by a ton!
The sinking had trouble twisting clockwise through my head

until it reached my tongue, then it shot down to the LDT like
lightning.
Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen,

hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the
heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of fullness
that blocks the breath from sinking there.
Anywho, Thanks SOTG!
Thanks man
Like a Pump
25 of 27 4/30/2014 10:47 AM
I finally got the perinium (penis root) area to pull up with the
coccyx relaxed! It did generate a little heat, more then heat it
activated my sexy qi. Felt the good ole sexual energy tingle and
burn right at the root of the penis.
What do you think about this practice?
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...
All of dis sounds too rote.
And some of it.
I don't want my tongue sticking out of my nostril.
Tink I'll stick to wiz wayz.
Dat way I don't know what I'm doing.
Don't tink about it.
It don't make sense at all.
...
1 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
Yep, this works wonders! A good bit of heat is in my abdomen,

hotter in the LDT and my heart area...Not surprising its in the
heart chakra area since I qi gets stuck there often. Lots of
fullness that blocks the breath from sinking there.
Anywho, Thanks SOTG!
watch that heat in the heart area
drop it down the front meridian
Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one

round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the
third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose 1st,
15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot with lots
of pressure behind it and my whole body was burning..This has
been happening about every few days for weeks now. Started
around when I restrained my ejaculations to once every 7 to 20
days, this was day 12 after 20 days beforehand.
In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my
girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to
move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on
suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost
allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy
weak and allot of sadness came up.
I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.
2 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
watch that heat in the heart area
drop it down the front meridian
Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the

heart area constrict the downward flow...
Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG
3 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
Last night, after doing SOTG's bone breathing technique one

round, the sol technique 3 rounds, 6 rounds of the opening the
third eye circuit, 15 minutes of MCO in full lotus, Wild Goose
1st, 15 minutes of Pranayama, my Mingmen was burning hot
with lots of pressure behind it and my whole body was
burning..This has been happening about every few days for
weeks now. Started around when I restrained my ejaculations to
once every 7 to 20 days, this was day 12 after 20 days
beforehand.
In the night I got hot and heavy and had a bit of sex with my
girlfriend, I attempted to circulate the sexy qi but was unable to
move enough and an ejaculation exploded out of me. Came on
suddenly, too fast to catch. Then, the heat in my mingmen lost
allot of the pressure, my legs on the inner channels went fuzzy
weak and allot of sadness came up.
I think I pushed a little too hard yesterday.
yes you over did it
but you did learn something from it- for next time
Thats something I have trouble with. Lots of "blockages" in the

heart area constrict the downward flow...
Im working on it, for sure. Thanks, SOTG
drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tien- then
4 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
to penis base
if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy

down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth
Andrei Posted 14 April 2014 - 06:25 PM
I already warned other people around here on these forums: too

much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata
imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon,
too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm
thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too
much Yang energy.
It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught

usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get sick.
The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave
you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it already
happened to me. Twice
yes you over did it
but you did learn something from it- for next time
Yea, I did. Thats ok, I learned allot. I always try and learn as much
as I can from my failures..
5 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
Now I know I need to work on strengthening my kidneys and

flowing things down the Ren Mai a bit more.
drop it down from middle tan tien- in front- to lower tan tien-
then to penis base
if it still a problem, do not squeeze the floor- but drop energy

down to perineum then further down through 6 feet of earth
Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base

chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT..
Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created
muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen
had that right!
Thanks, SOTG
Andrei, on 14 Apr 2014 - 18:25, said:
I already warned other people around here on these forums: too

much heat in mingmen-liver-kidney whatever will create a Vata
imbalance. Yes you have Qi but Qi is Vata, is too much too soon,
too fast. Also the heat in the prostate will make your sperm
thinner, and will cause you to ejaculate instantly because of too
much Yang energy.
6 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
It os not about Qi and not about circulation, MCO as taught

usually on internet and books will cause you only that : to get
sick.
The only good thing that can happen is that your girlfriend leave
you someday soon if you continue this. I know because it
already happened to me. Twice
Hehe, my GF wont be leaving me because of sex. I do not have a

problem lasting. The problem is that too much qi gets build up
and my system is not moving it well enough and it overflows out
of my cock!
EEGADS! Its bad!
Haha.
Thanks for the advice, Andrei.
I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG.
Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen?
Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first?
Hmm...I will try focusing on the MDT - LDT - Penis Base
7 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM
chain...see if I can clear up some of the MDT..
Its interesting how the stuckness in the MDT over time created
muscular tightness in the whole chest cavity. Alexander Lowen
had that right!
Thanks, SOTG
try doing the MCO in reverse tonight
start off from Perineum- bring it up to LDT - reverse breathe if

you can- from LDT straight to eye brow area/nose bridge
to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of back/scapula-

down to mingmen down to perineum
I was thinking about this earlier, SOTG.
Why do we want to transform Jing to Qi to Shen?
Shouldnt we build and purify the Jing first?
its a process
enlightenment is more important than power
Jing = essence
8 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM

to crown, down to back of neck -down to middle of

back/scapula- down to mingmen down to perineum
afterwards let me know exactly what your LDT did
The problem is that too much qi gets build up and my system is

not moving it well enough and it overflows out of my cock!
Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you
experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for
anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth,
which I payed a lot to find it.

9 of 11 4/30/2014 10:48 AM

Will do, buddy teacher man!
I shall report back with the results!
Danke

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Everyone who wrote me PM's
I read them but I can't answer yet because my allotted

time for the last 2 days was taken up by Trolls
its a process
enlightenment is more important than power
Jing = essence
If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body

become weak?
Or does the process create more jing?
1 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
Will do, buddy teacher man!
I shall report back with the results!
Danke
good work dude
Nope. The more you move the worst will be. I let you
experiment, and when you find your conclusion post it here for
anybody to see it. I am not ashamed because I know the truth,
which I payed a lot to find it.
I will def post my results. If your are right about the MCO, I will
let it be known.
That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember when
driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also the
brakes pedal.
If we turn our essence into qi and then shen...wont our body
2 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
become weak?
Or does the process create more jing?
we seek preserving pre-natal Qi
Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi
combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi"
we will go in depth with this eventually
we seek preserving pre-natal Qi
Postnatal qi- and Acquired Qi-- there is more than just Qi
combination of pre and post natal Qi is "true Qi"
we will go in depth with this eventually
The Pre-Natal is the key, this is true.
Lots and lots of Qi's! Spleen Qi, Kidney Qi, Liver Qi, Post-Natal
Jing...
It definitely is a vital topic to go into...I look forward to it!
How to replenish Pre-Natal Jing?
3 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
What is Pre-Natal Qi and how to create/replenish?
All things I want to know and I am sure others do as well!
That may work, running the MCO in reverse. just remember

when driving a vechicle you use the acceleration pedal but also
the brakes pedal.
Thats a good point, Andrei...Remembering to pause/ rest is

important, just as much as acting/moving is....
Captain Mar-Vell
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4 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
I did 12 minutes of this in full lotus.
After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing became

a bit stuffy, though.
The interesting thing was that my kidneys feel less hot and my
LDT started to quiver at the 10 min mark, it is also feeling hot.
It is still quivering a little and the heat is increasing as the

quivering lessens.
After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing

became a bit stuffy, though.

quivering lessens.
Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?
Did you reverse breathe?
Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can you
5 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
tell, or not etc?
there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual
After 10 minutes I was feeling mentally calmer, breathing

became a bit stuffy, though.

quivering lessens.
Do you use a grounding wire? and if not, can you?
I do not. I can use one, though. I have one connected to my

computer which is not far from where I cultivate.
Did you reverse breathe?
Which way did your LDT spin? front or back or not at all- can
you tell, or not etc?
6 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
there is no right or wrong answer- unique per indivdual
I did about half of the 10 minutes reverse breathing. Its difficult

for me to do reverse breathing, heck, breathing is difficult period!
hah
I did not feel it spin. The times when I have felt it spin, which I
can if I feel internally, it goes clockwise then counter then
sideways. Kinda like its a gyroscope.
When I feel that sensation, my LDT area gets hot.
After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a
focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG shared,
I have discovered something about my body.
Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the HuiYin
region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis, felt heavy
and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi would not move
through this region and the ejaculation popped up suddenly.
Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region.

hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be.
SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right now
to help whatever is going on work through?
Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin

when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.
7 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM


In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the

MCO cultivation in it.
First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen,

exhale into Navel/LDT.
Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up to

open fully.
If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I have
allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation?
IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen
What say you, oh wise ones?
After doing over and hour of cultivation for 4 days now, with a
8 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
focus on MCO work and adding in the few exercises SOTG

shared, I have discovered something about my body.
Last night, I ejaculated again. What happened was that the

HuiYin region, all the way from tail bone through to the penis,
felt heavy and stuck. Kind of numb in a full way. The sexy qi
would not move through this region and the ejaculation popped
up suddenly.
Now I know that I need to focus on restoring flow to this region.

hehe, mistakes are helpful for growth, if we let them be.
SOTG- would the reverse MCO be the way for me to go right

now to help whatever is going on work through?
Oh, I also felt something in my navel area drop into my HuiYin

when I ejaculated...Like a heavy rock.
In the book QiGong Empowerment by Shou Yu Lian, he has the

MCO cultivation in it.
First stage is opening the TailBone Gate, inhale into MingMen,

exhale into Navel/LDT.
Moves at a goats pace, slowly and requires much Qi to build up

to open fully.
If I did this reverse, since that region (small orbit) is where I

have allot of problems, would that be reverse circulation?
9 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
IE- Inhale at Navel, Exhale at MingMen
What say you, oh wise ones?
@ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to:

base of penis,
down to testicles-
to perineum
coccyx
sacrum
- exhale
sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endings-
You can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't
too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can pass-
then inhale and go to:

mingmen and
straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien.
Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the

points directly under the LDT- back to penis base.
If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do this

route one more time- then
exhale at
mingmen- inhale at mingmen,
and reverse it down to
coccyx
perineum
10 of 12 4/30/2014 10:50 AM
LDT
If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that flow
to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, down- inhale
up to perineum, etc
For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to subliminate

it before bringing back into circulation

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@ LDT, inhale and bring Qi flow to:

base of penis,
down to testicles-
to perineum
coccyx
sacrum
- exhale
sacrum is a large inverted pyramid with lots of nerve endings-
You can hold the energy there if it gets too hot- if the flow isn't
too hot/hard/heavy/feeling like it can pass-
then inhale and go to:

mingmen and
straight across to navel area- not lower tan tien.
Then on meridian outside skin- bring it down to LDT and the

points directly under the LDT- back to penis base.
If energy flow can be maintained- doesn't feel threatening- do
1 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
this route one more time- then
exhale at
mingmen- inhale at mingmen,
and reverse it down to
coccyx
perineum
LDT
If you do this standing in a Goat stance- you can travel that

flow to Bubbling Springs transitioning from perineum, down-
inhale up to perineum, etc
For problematic Qi- push it deep down into earth to

subliminate it before bringing back into circulation
When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles, then
testicles, then Huiyin?
Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is burning

a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much more
tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness.
after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my

pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone.
Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders (behind
heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier then
mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast. Felt a
bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and curved,
collapsing at the solar _ heart region.
2 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather Qi

at Sacrum?
In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he

goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points
such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up and
down.
Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next

center until the warmth gathers there...
What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao?
Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area
Either send it down the front
or
pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs off
to sacrum and across down to LDT
Quote
When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles,
then testicles, then Huiyin?
3 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
Yes.
When you say -base of penis- is that point before the testicles,
then testicles, then Huiyin?
Edit- gave this a go. The top of my sacrum to my coccyx is

burning a bit. My pelvic floor region did light up, though. Much
more tingly sensation then before! less stagnant deadness.
after some time, I noticed the burning is actually in my

pelvis/sacrum region more then kidney/mingmen or tailbone.
Also, I tried inhaling into the gate between the shoulders

(behind heart) and exhaling into navel..it flowed much easier
then mingmen-navel. The gate area also got hot and tingly fast.
Felt a bit slipper. My spine in that region is somewhat stuck and
curved, collapsing at the solar _ heart region.
Would be it safe to, when things are somewhat stuck, to gather

Qi at Sacrum?
In Awakening the Healing Energy of the Tao by Mantak Chia, he

goes about the MCO by the method- Yi guides Qi- on key points
4 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
such as HuiYin, MingMen, ChangChiang, QiHai etc all the up

and down.
Letting the Qi flow, warmth gather, then move on to the next

center until the warmth gathers there...
What is your opinion on this, oh wise bums of Tao?
that's simply means = energy follows thought
if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up like
a pinball game
I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol
Never let it stay stuck anywhere near the heart area
Either send it down the front
or
pull it from front to back through the Qi-belt/splits and pairs

off to sacrum and across down to LDT
Yes.
Alright, I wont let anything stay stuck at the heart. I have to move
5 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
things from/ through there anyway.
Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis. Mantak Chia uses Jing
Gong (sperm palace) which he shows above the penis at base.
Both feel extra tingly to me. When I feel the tingly at those bases,
the HuiYin lights up with tinglys, too.
that's simply means = energy follows thought
if you know the acupuncture points you feel them light up

like a pinball game
I bet joeblast will give a hellyeah lol
Ok, good. I was thinking this would be a good way to open the
points/ MCO.
Qi follows Yi.....Foundations of foundation.
Its interesting how if I activate the tingly goodness at the sperm

palace or penis base, then move on to GV-1 ( tail bone) the tingly
goodness moved into it.
Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a point
it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam and was
attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break through,
though....A little bit made it through.
6 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
Ah, ok. So it is the base below the penis.
no the base is where the shaft connects in the body
points/ MCO.

Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a

point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam
and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break
through, though....A little bit made it through.
a good way to get to the coccyx is visualize the Qi flow on the

rectum area
7 of 12 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
that's the first knot/bandh/granthis
dam and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not

break through, though....A little bit made it through.
no the base is where the shaft connects in the body
Why do you use the bottom base, where Mantak only talks about
the top base, Sperm Palace?
They both feel powerful and tingly.
a good way to get to the coccyx is visualize the Qi flow on the

rectum area
disagree, yi follows qi, no need to energize that. make sacrum

bright instead, feel gradient from s4/5 to top.
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What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the other
way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow..
points/ MCO.

Last night I spent some time on the tailbone (GV-1) and at a

point it felt like tingly buzzing water was building behind a dam
and was attempting to shoot through the dam...did not break
through, though....A little bit made it through.

No No don't energize the rectum! lol
Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot
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area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels in
the rectal area it makes it easier to find
like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL
No No don't energize the rectum! lol
Just wanted him to be aware of where the area of tailbone knot

area is located at, and due to the large amount of blood vessels
in the rectal area it makes it easier to find
like if a sign that reads: "if you see the asshole keep going" LOL
OK! I wont energize the rectum!
I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1 area.
Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work on,
right?
Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......
What do you mean, yi follows qi? I have always heard it the

other way, that Yi guides the Qi's flow..
eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had
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more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work
eh that was kinda ass backwards, not the right verbiage. I had
more a concept of "mindful of" in my head...busy day at work
actually though, it could be useful both ways
Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those points

light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover other
Tertiary minor points along the way
Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and

rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude
meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s)
-all readily available to be discovered

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OK! I wont energize the rectum!
I can feel some real good tingly full ness at the tail bone GV-1
area. Right above the rectum. This place is a solid spot to work
on, right?
Hehe, I see the asshole, must keep going......
Yes getting past the knot
the rectum, as in anal breathing- turtles do that- is also useful
in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across to

prostate
that being said- of course there are other routes to get to

prostate
but in advanced sometimes it is advisable to re-route or go

different ways
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i.e., to cut cords etc
all advanced though not for you! lol -not yet- eventually
though
you're making good progress
in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across

to prostate

prostate

different ways
though
After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot
region, a new sensation has occured.
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Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the inside

of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel, it flows
down legs into feet.
This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light

awareness of mingmen/ navel
Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?
After doing a good bit of work on the MCO, mostly first knot
region, a new sensation has occured.
Now, when inhaling at mingmen, I feel "qi" moving up the

inside of my legs into mingmen region, when exhaling at navel,
it flows down legs into feet.
This is consistent. Every inhale + exhale. Strongest with light

awareness of mingmen/ navel
Does this have anything to do with the knots opening?
see how consistant it is with what joeblast posted somewhere on

here:
Quote
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through

the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain
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2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception

vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the
huiyin.
3-Breathe in raising from huiyin through CV (jen mo) to the

cavity of vitality (lower dantien) continuing split in two along
both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back,
continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart
point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the
(positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to
the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms
(PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels
are simply grouped together here since they flow in common
direction.)
5-Breathe in to lift the vital breath from laogung into the

(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the
chest where it stops
6-Breathe out to drive the vital breath down to the belt vessel
where its two branches reunite before returning to the mortal
cavity (huiyin)
7-Breathe in to lift it from the mortal cavity into the central

channel (thrusting vessel, chung mo) up to the solar plexus
(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise
above the heart.
8-Breathe out to send it from under the heart down to the

huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive)
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yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through
the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1
point) where it stops
9-Breathe in to raise it from the yongquan into the (negative)

yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin
and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
10-Breathe out to lower it to the huiyin where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night.

Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and don’t
overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the
vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able
to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these
channels, cleansing and purifying them.
Unfortunately My PPF Forum has taken up too much of

my valuable time.
This would not have been such a big deal though, had
more people participated.
A Regular Forum has Moderators, and can monitor it.
I, being the Primary contributor- is just too much work

and time.
Those regular posters who were participating, my Email

is:
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thesonofthegods @ gmail
I may periodically open This Forum, once in awhile, for

brief interludes

but there are hundreds of views on some threads-

many many many times more views than actual
unique posters LOL
originally, another person wanted to start a NeiGong forum-

and I mentioned to put one in his PPF (the conversation quotes
are archived somewhere around here lol)
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although I also noted, to him, should the whole idea fail, he

could easily delete it all
the reason I knew it would fail is because, generally, people

would much rather take -without contributing back
which is cool
but I also have my limits on how much I can be taken

advantage of
This is also the reason why, I will never ACTUALLY take

this forum past Beginner/Intermediate level, due to the
fact I wouldn't start giving just a couple of people
Advanced Lessons then just shut this place down- and leave
them hanging doing advanced exercises.

reads and practices the exercises, unattended -because I
was already long gone lol
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in advanced, the Qi flow with Yi can take it from rectum across

to prostate

prostate

different ways
though
you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are
conflating anus. not the same structure..
actually though, it could be useful both ways
Advanced practitioners- Yi can follow Qi flow, when those

points light up = rote- your intent can follow them to discover
other Tertiary minor points along the way
8 of 20 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
Advanced cultivators who eventually explore diamond and

rainbow Immortal/etc body(s)- new longitude and latitude
meridians will envelope the evolved auric structure(s)
-all readily available to be discovered
yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness,

always right now, there is no coming after.
you know where the rectum is, right? sounds like you are
conflating anus. not the same structure..
yeah I didn't want to get too DEEP in anal structure
lol
I've met many assholes in my time, so
lol
yeah I didnt mean follow as in "come after"....yi, awareness,

always right now, there is no coming after.
9 of 20 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
Ahh, I gotcha, Joe. Thanks for clarifying!
Sometimes my Qi moves and I become aware of it without Intent

to guide the Qi...Then I can use Intent to guide it through this new
way/ path.
Sometimes, just let it run its own course.
Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the

kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a
whole body TanTien?
Is there a kind of breathing that will build/store/ cultivate the

kind of Qi required to transform the body and mind, to create a
whole body TanTien?
Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical &

Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT
Embryonic Breathing also known as Primordial, Umbilical

& Turtle Breathing (to some people) = stores the elixir in LDT
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What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir?
I want to store the elixir.
Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing?
Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing.
Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's the
same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck movement.
What is the method of Embryonic Breathing to store the elixir?
I want to store the elixir.
Quote
Tai Hsi is the Chinese name for Taoist Embryonic Breathing.

Also known as Primordial Breathing or Umbilical Breathing,
Tai Hsi refers to the process by which a Taoist practitioner
reactivates the electro-magnetic circuitry associated with the
primordial “breath” that fetuses have inside of the womb. As
this happens, the physical breathing process becomes
increasingly more subtle, and then -- for periods of time --
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may cease altogether. In the same way that a fetus “breathes”

through the umbilical cord, the practitioner whose system has
re-membered embryonic breathing is then able to draw qi
directly from the universal matrix, i.e. the “sea of energy” in
which their individual bodymind floats.
Quote
In the language of biochemistry, this process, in short, revolves

around the creation of ATP within the mitochondria - the
"power-plant" of the cells. If our bodies are functioning
according to post-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi
/a/Qi_Forms.htm) principles, this cellular process is fueled
primarily through the workings of our digestive tract (Spleen
(http://taoism.about.com/od/thefiveelements
/p/Five_Element.htm) energy) in conjunction with our
respiratory system (Lung (http://taoism.about.com
/od/thefiveelements/p/Five_Element.htm) energy).
Through meditation and qigong (http://taoism.about.com
/od/glossaryoftaoistterms/g/qigong.htm) practice, however, we
can return to a pre-natal (http://taoism.about.com/od/qi
/a/Qi_Forms.htm) state, in which the "battery" of the
mitochondria is fueled electro-magnetically, i.e. directly via qi
(chi) (http://taoism.about.com/od/glossaryoftaoistterms
/g/Qi.htm) . As we consolidate our energy into the Chong
meridian (http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem
/a/eight-extras.htm) (the central channel of the yogic body),
and open the Dai meridian (http://taoism.about.com
/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm) , our energy bodies
flow in a pattern similar to a solenoid, providing ample energy
for this process. It is at this point that embryonic breathing --
"breathing" through the acupuncture points and meridians --
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starts to replace physical lung-breathing. We are able to draw

(“breathe”) life-force energy directly from the universe -- from
the space-time continuum -- into the meridian system of our
bodymind.
The Microcosmic Orbit, The Central Channel & Nondual

Awareness
When we’re in our mother’s womb, we “breathe” through the
umbilical cord, and circulate life-force energy along a
continuous circuit of energy, that flows up the back of our torso
and down the front of our torso. When we leave our mother’s
womb, the umbilical cord is cut, and we begin to breathe
through our mouth/nose. At the same time (or at least within
the first several years of our new life) the continuous circuit of
energy divides into two, forming the Ren and the Du meridians
(http://taoism.about.com/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-
extras.htm) .
In the qigong practice known as the microcosmic orbit, we
reunite the Ren and Du meridians to form, once again, a single
continuous circuit -- allowing energy to flow in a way similar to
our in-the-womb state. This is just one of many polarities
(http://taoism.about.com/od/practices/ht/polarity.htm) that
are resolved, en route to consolidating our energy/awareness
within the central channel (Chong meridian). In the Hindu
yogic tradition, this same process is spoken of in terms of the
separation between the Ida (“moon”) and Pingala (“sun”)
channels; and their resolution into the Sushumna Nadi
(http://taoism.about.com/od/taoismglossarys
/g/Sushumna_Nadi.htm) .
The primordial consciousness that flows in the central channel
is the energy/awareness of nonduality. It represents the
resolving of all karmic polarities (and so a withdrawal of all
projections) -- a state of bodymind which wakes up the dormant
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circuitry of which embyonic breathing is one manifestation.
The following passages, by Nan Huai-Chin and Mantak Chia

respectively, offer additional insights into this rather mysterious
(though completely natural!) phenomenon of Embryonic
Breathing. Please note, especially, Mantak Chia’s point that
Embryonic Breathing is not something that we can “make
happen” or “will to happen.” Rather it simply “happens by itself,
when conditions are right.”
From Tao & Longevity by Nan Huai-Chin:
The dhyana teachings of Hinayana Buddhism classify the
breathing of air and the latent energy of the human body into
three ordered categories.
(1) Wind. This indicates the ordinary function of the

respiratory system and air. In other words, people depend on
breath to maintain life. This is the state of air known as
"wind."
(2) Ch'i. This indicates that after refinement through

meditation, the breath per se becomes light, easy and slow.
(3) Hsi. Through the highly advanced refinement of

meditation the breath becomes so slight that it almost stops.
At this stage the inward and outward movement of the
respiratory system ceases to function. Breathing through
other parts of the body, however, is not completely stopped. A
natural breath starts to function from the lower abdomen to
the lower Tan Tien. This is Hsi. Later, the Taoists call it Tai
Hsi (the breathing of an embryo in the womb). Some schools of
thought even believe that mind and Hsi are interdependent.
From Energy Balance Through The Tao: Exercises For
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Cultivating Yin Energy by Mantak Chia:

You might at some point experience a quite different, yin,
quality of chi experience. Maintain the relaxed, soft, slow,
steady breathing in the tan tien and function only as the
observing witness. When conditions are right and the chi is
ready, you might discover that your physical breathing has
stopped for a brief period of time. This is a very quiet, subtle
transition. The subtle, refined chi breathing in the tan tien
connects directly with the environmental cosmic chi. The tan
tien energetically functions as a chi lung. This is called inner
chi breathing or embryonic breathing, Tai Hsi.
This embronic breathing can only happen when your whole
being is suffused with calm, peace, and quiet, and is at the
same time full of chi. This experience may provide you with
some hint of the process that enables one to merge with the Wu
Chi. You cannot make this happen or will it to happen.
Embryonic breathing happens by itself, when conditions are
right.
Suggested Reading
Eight Extraordinary Meridians (http://taoism.about.com

/od/themeridiansystem/a/eight-extras.htm)
Snow Mountain: Our Energetic Root
(http://taoism.about.com/od/snowmountain
/ht/snowmountain.htm)
Tonic Gold - Alchemical Elixir - Potent Support For Qigong
& Meditation Practice (http://taoism.about.com/od/diet
/ht/TonicGold.htm)
I originally planned on doing a Thread on Reverse Breathing-
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then, depending on how well the thread turned out- start

dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing.
However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY because

there are more lurkers than contributors.
So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those lurkers

is:
Anal Breathing
Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass
haha
Quote
Turtles can breathe through their butt.

http://seriousfacts....ugh-their-butt/ (http://seriousfacts.com
/turtles-can-breathe-through-their-butt/)
A few species such as the Fitzroy River turtle can pull this one.
By ‘breathe’ it means actual breathing, taking in air into the
body, as opposed to taking it out (farting), which perhaps also
features since breathing has to be two-way. This area is still yet
to be well researched on.
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Where can I find good instruction on embryonic breathing?
Haven't heard about primordial, and umbilical breathing.
Read about turtle breathing in some book but don't know if it's
the same thing. The turtle breathing I read about use neck
movement.
17 of 20 4/30/2014 10:51 AM
I originally planned on doing a Thread on Reverse

Breathing- then, depending on how well the thread turned
out- start dwelling deeper into Turtle Breathing.
However, the Forum didn't turn out well, ONLY

because there are more lurkers than contributors.
So the Turtle Breathing I recommend to all those

lurkers is:
Anal Breathing
Because - Turtles breathe through their Ass
haha
Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a step

after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and
subtle?
Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or

exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release +exhale
The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension
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to use...
Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?
The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the first

thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically.
Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the

abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in
the front.
Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle
when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much
power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well,
maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare

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Do you breath like this or nearly like this all the time Joe? Then
you won't smell anything?
entrench the protocol deeply enough and it carries forth into all
aspects of life.
yeah, I've saved myself from smelling a few bad ones over the
years from doing that but usually I dont notice that I'm
"missing out on a given smell."
that said, in meditation...smells come and go like crazy, plenty

often I'll have a dozen come visit me in a session. anything from
flowers to grass to an old girlfriend's shampoo, leather,
jasmine...even the smell of whatever I may need to eliminate from
the body...(no not crap, more like when I had inhaled some junk
and sawdust, in meditation I practically puked out the scent of the
lung's reaction...)
Edited by joeblast, 22 April 2014 - 08:50 AM.
1 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Are you saying that the method of Embryonic Breathing is a

step after the MCO is fully open and the breath is long, deep and
subtle?
Also, turtle breathing... Would that be squeeze on inhale or

exhale? Such as, HuiYin/ Anus squeeze + inhale- Release
+exhale
The difficulty I have with reverse breathing is how much tension

to use...
Is just enough to feel pressure adequate?
Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale
But that's just me
The YMAA EB book is excellent, highly recommended. Its the

first thing you do once you can settle your mind, basically.
Reverse breathing, learn by not including the front of the

abdomen. Get the internal mechanics down first. Then bring in
the front.
Long deep and subtle becomes longer deeper even more subtle
when you stop moving air passageways. You wouldnt get much
power out of the car if the cylinder walls moved around...well,
maybe you would, but it would be a timing nightmare
2 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
hehe, I dont go around sweeping my footprints from the sand
Personally I squeeze the floor on exhale
But that's just me
If I squeeze the floor in inhale, it seems to automatically pull the

stomach in, reverse style. Relax floor on exhale, pushes stomach
out a bit.
depends on what one's doing...
meditation I am usually doing natural. standing, reverse, esp

horse stance. and mco, well, it depends what phase
I was thinking about this and thought you all might enjoy talking
about it.
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A main goal of internal cultivation is merging Fire and Water.
I realized that ShaoYin is Heart (fire) and Kidney (water)....Both

the same channel.
Im not sure what this means, if it is even the same kind of fire and
water as in NeiDan.
What do you all think?
...
Quote
What do you all think?
It sounds most profound to me.
Thank you.
xxx.
...
Today I was experimenting with a possible solution to a problem I

have.
At times my heart feels full and there is pressure on my chest/
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heart / chakra region. When this reaches a certain level, I feel

anxious and manic, ungrounded and scattered. Easily flustered,
emotionally unstable.
I was practicing some Medical QiGong and the method I was

doing drained the Heart Fire through the Heart Channel...
So, I thought why could I not do that any time? Just use my Yi to
drain the sensations in the Heart through the drain pipe of the
Channel..
Well, it works. I brought the sensation into the channel and out
the Jing Well cavity for Heart. After a short bit, the sensations in
my chest lessened, I felt more grounded and stable. Then, I started
to feel sticky thicker water moving through the Heart Channels in
my arms from my chest and out the Jing Well cavity.
I then experimented with the Small Intestine Channel. Started

from the end in the jaw, where I have tension and the cavity there
hurts a good bit when pressed. Then, drained from there to Jing
Well Cavity and out. Eased the tension, pain and fullness within
no time!
I had a headache, manifesting in stagnation in the Triple Warmer

+ Small Intestine mainly. So, I drained those two and my
headache went away.
Thought you all might enjoy this bit of internal trickery!
Uroboros, i told you already, you are doing the neidan wrong! i am
sorry to be so blunt but this is the truth. Firstly the energy should
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be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to accustom

the organs with the energy. The energy is not recommended to
circulate through meridians, because some of them may be
blocked. Before circulating through meridians they should be
opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching, i.e. Yi jin
jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season for tendon
stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened. Normally a
practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100 days i.e. 3
months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened the CV and
GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do other
practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the energy in the
dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with the mind. if it is
opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues with energy
stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do the 5
elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and circulate
energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from bladder will
wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to heart. The
excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire. Then the excess
fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the heat and dryiness.
Stomach like the heat and moisture. The excess of moisture from
liver will go to stomach and the excess of heat from heart will go to
spleen. Then from spleen move the dry energy to colon/lung -
metal point on the left side of the belly button. The colon will melt
the metal and will supply the sex organs with water in the kidney
points, a little below, and from there the water energy is moved to
the bladder. This circuit is circulating energy through 8 points
around belly button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in
organs. You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple
of days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance
the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be unbalanced.
You need to circulate the heat from the heart through the left side
down and the coolness of water from kidneys and sex through the
right side up, cooling liver. If you heat the liver and the prostate
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with yang energy too much this is wrong is exactly the opposite
what is supposed to be. A heated liver will give excessive yang
energy to gall bladder that will allways give insomnia and
headaches through gall bladder meridian that goes up to the head.
I suggest you try this meditation for 1 month and see what is
hapening, and if everything goes ok you should keep doing it for
100 days. Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the
falun rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi
simbol rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation
than MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy
pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the 5
organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is
reading this and take it to heart.
The rotation of energy in the abdomen will create this flow of heat
from heart downward and coolness of water upward. This if Kan
and LI fusion, they meet at the middle in the dantian and begin to
vibrate. As i said already the feeling should be simultaneously
warm and cool and a pleasant vibration should spread through the
body, organs and meridians. This the steam that is the result of
Kan and LI interaction. After you obtain the steam sensation you
do another meditation, which is the 8 extraordinary meridians
meditation, which can be done seated or standing in zhan zhuang.
Also Kan and LI can be obtained through Kunlun, because Kunlun
is esentially sending the kidney and bladder energy up and heart
energy down , which in my opinion and experience is the fastest
Kan and Li fusion ever, the only problem with kunlun is that if you
have an imbalance in the organs that imbalance will be
exacerbated, and it will take a long time until the imbalance will be
cleared maybe a couple of years. Kunlun is quick quick path it will
show you very quick what is your problem , where is your organs
with blockages, and is not so safe because it does not deal with
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liver and spleen and can create an imbalance on one side of the
body depending on your personal predisposition. As a safety exit
it has the 5 elements Maoshan practice, but in my opinion and
experience the 5 elements energy rotation is safer, even if it is
slower.
Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:03 AM.
Uroboros, i told you already, you are doing the neidan wrong! i
am sorry to be so blunt but this is the truth. Firstly the energy
should be circulated in the 5 organs before everything else to
accustom the organs with the energy. The energy is not
recommended to circulate through meridians, because some of
them may be blocked. Before circulating through meridians they
should be opened. The best way to open meridians is stretching,
i.e. Yi jin jing - tendon practice. Now in spring is the best season
for tendon stretching. In summer the meridians will be opened.
Normally a practice should be scheduled to be done at least 100
days i.e. 3 months i.e. One season. So you did MCO and opened
the CV and GV, it is very good, but now you should stop and do
other practices like the one i suggested here. Just keep the
energy in the dantian warm but do not circulate in MCO with
the mind. if it is opened it will flow by itself. To solve the issues
with energy stagnation in heart or liver or head, i suggest you do
the 5 elements meditation. Start with urinary bladder and
circulate energy from bladder to liver. The moist energy from
bladder will wash the liver. Then from liver pass the energy to
heart. The excess wood from liver will burn in the heart fire.
Then the excess fire from heart give it to spleen. Spleen likes the
heat and dryiness. Stomach like the heat and moisture. The
excess of moisture from liver will go to stomach and the excess
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of heat from heart will go to spleen. Then from spleen move the
dry energy to colon/lung - metal point on the left side of the
belly button. The colon will melt the metal and will supply the
sex organs with water in the kidney points, a little below, and
from there the water energy is moved to the bladder. This
circuit is circulating energy through 8 points around belly
button, each point corresponding to the 5 elements in organs.
You have the map of the points and organs posted a couple of
days ago, but you have to understand that if you don't balance
the yin-yang energy in the organs, the dantian will be
unbalanced. You need to circulate the heat from the heart
through the left side down and the coolness of water from
kidneys and sex through the right side up, cooling liver. If you
heat the liver and the prostate with yang energy too much this is
wrong is exactly the opposite what is supposed to be. A heated
liver will give excessive yang energy to gall bladder that will
allways give insomnia and headaches through gall bladder
meridian that goes up to the head. I suggest you try this
meditation for 1 month and see what is hapening, and if
everything goes ok you should keep doing it for 100 days.
Charles luk made a confusion in his book, this is the falun
rotation, not the MCO. Falun rotation which is the taichi simbol
rotation on the abdomen is a totally different meditation than
MCO. As i said earlier MCO should be done after the energy
pearl in dantian is cristalized and balanced by the energy of the
5 organs/elements. I hope any beginner interested in neidan is
reading this and take it to heart.
Can you clarify for me how to do the meditation, Andrei?
I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very well
be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.
9 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
I do see the reasons as to why you are saying its important.
Are you saying that I need to circulate my Qi around my navel,

starting from bottom right, up to top right, then over to top left,
down to bottom left then over to bottom right?
Also, is the area to circulate right around the navel or farther out
from the navel into the abdomen?
In doing so, the blending of the 5 Elements will be balanced?
Thanks!
Edited by Uroboros, 27 April 2014 - 12:59 AM.
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used the
one that corresponds to what you are saying.
The Water is at base of belly button, metal at left, liver at upper

right, heart at top middle, spleen at top left, small fire at bottom
left.
I then circulated around my navel starting at bottom water and I

did indeed feel coolness from bottom up to liver quadrant then
heat from fire to water.
Am I doing it correctly?
10 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very

well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.

Thanks!
Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them,

following the corresponding meridians- according to your
problems
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used
the one that corresponds to what you are saying.
11 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
left.

Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about

him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a
warning posted about Mantak Chia.
This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts
I just caution people about playing around and

experimenting with their Organs.
Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will

automatically balance everything.
If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy

flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what you
are doing.
If I was your teacher in real time/off forum, Uroboros

I could help you with acupuncture etc
Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious.
Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart etc,
12 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
can turn into a deadly experience down the road
That is what Dim Mak is
malikshreds Posted 27 April 2014 - 10:41 AM
I prefer your blunt honesty in your opinions. Yes, I could very

well be making mistakes/ doing things incorrectly! I accept that
possibility always.

Thanks!
Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am I

acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the emotions
of the organs too and see what foods correspond with them.
As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your lower
dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis talks about
this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in one of his
13 of 15 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
books too. I think what he should've done was make one book
exclusively on breathing and make it very specific. Then talk about
exclusively about the elements.

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Also check out the Element Correspondances on my McGong

Thread
I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend.
I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a
ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper body.
Not very comfortable.
I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.
Finding your acupuncture points, you can massage them,

following the corresponding meridians- according to your
problems
I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along
1 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
each channel.
Mantak Chia: there are actually several warnings about

him on TaoBums- & the forum owner Trunk also has a
warning posted about Mantak Chia.
This is not to discredit or demean Andei's posts
I just caution people about playing around and

experimenting with their Organs.
Doing a correct MCO, and Reverse MCO will

automatically balance everything.
If you start bypassing meridians, re-routing energy

flow, etc- it could go all bad unless you know what
you are doing.
If I was your teacher in real time/off forum,

Uroboros I could help you with acupuncture etc
Just on a forum I would advise you to be cautious.
Experimenting on your Liver Spleen Lungs Heart

etc, can turn into a deadly experience down the road
That is what Dim Mak is
2 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some good
information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is easy to
mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn them.
If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that not

all there is to a correct MCO?
malikshreds, on 27 Apr 2014 - 10:41, said:
Basically study the 5 elements. Look at your lifestyle and say am

I acting too watery, too wood, too fiery. Fix that. Check the
emotions of the organs too and see what foods correspond with
them.
As for practice, try just doing breathing. Breathing into your

lower dan tian then breath into your organs. Bruce Frantzis
talks about this in his cd on Breathing. He has it step by step in
one of his books too. I think what he should've done was make
one book exclusively on breathing and make it very specific.
Then talk about exclusively about the elements.
Ahh, great advice, Malikshreds!
I forget the breath, at times...How potent and powerful it is.
I am looking at BKF's breathing cds again, seeing where I can

glean a nugget of goodness from.
I agree, a book exclusively about breathing would have been

beneficial.
3 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body
does it naturally
But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it
The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels,

organs, nadis in and OUT of your body
That is why I caution people to leave what is not understood-

alone.
That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the
LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes
If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be

well.
Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it is
different
But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking about
I did try what Andrei was seeming to recommend.
I did feel the cool rising and the heat sinking....There was also a
ton of abdomen tension and heat pouring out of my upper
body.
4 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Not very comfortable.
I do not know if I was doing it right or if its even good to do.
I do this near daily. I turn over my cavities often, massage along

each channel.
I have read the cautions of mantak chia...I think he has some

good information. Some of it, heck, allot of it is advanced and is
easy to mess up...I do not think books/ dvds are the way to learn
them.
If I am moving my Qi through the Ren and Du Vessels, is that

not all there is to a correct MCO?
Also, work the Kua points
hips and arm pits
The MCO, is performed with or without Yi-- that is, your body
does it naturally
5 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
But, by performing it with Yi, it strengthens it
The energy flows along major and minor meridians, vessels,

organs, nadis in and OUT of your body
That is why I caution people to leave what is not understood-

alone.
That is also why it is not a good idea to just pile energy into the
LDT, and not allow it circulate to the millions of other routes
If you do the MCO, and Pore Breathe daily- all will be

well.
Now, if you have any illness, and that needs extra care-then, it
is different
But for general health maintenance, do as we were speaking

about
Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens the

flow.
Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui,

HuiYin?
6 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Also, work the Kua points
hips and arm pits
Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there?
Massage them or use Yi to guide some Qi there?
Both.
Both.
Gotcha, SOTG.
Thanks for the help!
Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/

flusteredness?
Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus.
I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just

purging.
7 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Ok! I gotcha. One uses Yi, another is automatic. Yi strengthens

the flow.
Pore Breathing being through Laogung, Yongquen, Baihui,

HuiYin?
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Gotcha, SOTG.
Thanks for the help!
Should I keep doing Reverse MCO to help cool my heart/

flusteredness?
8 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Again today I feel a bit manic..hard to focus.
I would prefer to go about utilizing this for growth, not just

purging.
Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"
...
I'll stay in touch.
I'm really sorry if I wasn't much help, at the end of the day.
Sorry, man.
xxx.
...
...
I'll stay in touch.
Sorry, man.
xxx.
...
9 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
you did great
much respect
you're here and contribute to the positive energy side of

the forum
Pore Breathing: ADVANCED.......In Your Email
INTERMEDIATE & ADVANCED & SUPER ADVANCED

TECHNIQUES WILL NOT BE POSTED ON THIS
FORUM
Thanks, SOTG!
I shall check that puppy out once it births!
Keep doing Reverse MCO - it also preps @ "cord cuts"
I shall keep doing it. I will keep in touch through email with you.
10 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
...
I'll stay in touch.
Sorry, man.
xxx.
...
You were helpful and enjoyable. Both are needed.
Stay active, keep in touch, bring the plain jane pleasurable pain!
I took the chart you posted in -how to cut LDT cords- and used
the one that corresponds to what you are saying.

left.

11 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
Yes this is correct.
I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP book first chapter :
Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and straighten spine, neck
and head.
Remain cross legged on the floor; you can stretch or move your
upper body, not your legs.
Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of
the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front teeth.
Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal
position and relax the mind.
Match Mother Nature's five elements and space of four directions
that are the mirror of different human organs.
As the human body came from earth, the natural rhythm of the
earth will serve to modify organs in the body.
The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down to warm
the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean.
Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney
water in the North of the natural world communicate with each
other to achieve balance between the upper and lower.
The liver is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by
the wood character and the direction East,
The lungs are represented by the metal character and the direction
West.
Together the Liver and the Lungs form a middle bridge of
communication assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire
andlower Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth
character and is in the middle.
keep the body and extremities still and relaxed so that spleen Qi
does not leak.
The spleen will serve as the axis on which the harmonization of
12 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
the left, right, and up and down movements occur.
...
Eyes are closed and looking within, the eyes are the window to the
liver, the Hun of decision making, the Liver spirit resides in the
Liver.
The Kidney's opening ear listens within the body, uhe Zhi of
confidence, the Kidney spirit resides in the Kidney.
As the nose does not smell outside, the Lung opening nose smells
within the body, the Po of courage, tle Lung spirit resides in the
Lung.
Silence, the tongue is not moving and the Heart becomes calm,
Heart, in which the Shen of spirit, the heart spirit resides.
As the body and its extremiies are not moving that is their
connection to the spleen is made, where Yi of intention, the Spleen
spirit resides.
The Heart spirit, the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of
confidence, Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of
courage, and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and
harmonize within the body.
The Qi starts to move the five organ elements: urinary bladder

water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood nourishes Heart fire,
Heart fire supports the Spleen and Stomach earth, Spleen and
Stomach earth create metal Lung, and metal Lung turns into
Kidney water, Kidney water moves back down to Urinary Bladder.
This state is similar to what happened at the tginning of Mother
Nature; and similar to the Qi moment when life began. At this
point, you reproduce the original state of being to heal yourself.
P.19-21
...
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After the Qi and spirit move through the five organs, the essences
generated from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower
Dantian to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24
Etc.
Closed quote.
This is the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote

an entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some
paragraphs spread throughout his book.
The issues with Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his
books and practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he
didn't said the order of meditations. Only people who were
instructed at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence.
The first book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who
contains the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is
a bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the
book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored that
book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique which
created so many problems. Another thing is that MC published
mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so everybody is
thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist practices, which is
correct but they neglect the other practices which are essential.
Just as a note MC is the exponent of the southern sect of Complete
Reality school, while WLP is the exponent of the northern sect.
The techiques are the same, they differ in some details, the biggest
difference is in the sexual practices that are not emphasized in the
northern sect, even WLP is married and is having a normal sex life
(allegedly) he does not teach sexual techniques.
14 of 16 4/30/2014 10:52 AM
The 5 elements meditation in my opinion is much more important

than MCO, because without it the energy body is imbalanced.
According to MC, first and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to
establish the natal energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine
your particular situation, which organs are overactive and which
are underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang
and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different and
unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between the Sun,
Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and location of
birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the energies will change
during your life, in each year and each decade, so that you can
know which are the auspicious time periods in your life and which
periods will provide hardness. For example this year2014 is Wood
Horse, and the energy of the year is Wood Yang which means
everything related to wood like liver will be overactive. Also if you
add that now we are in Spring and normally now the wood
element is expanding, I have not a single doubt that all the
troubles peoples have with kundalini awakening and headaches
and insomnia caused by meditation are because of the Wood
element overactive. My advice for everybody with wood energy
problems, cool it down especially this year, drink lots of green tea
(i myself like to add goji berries which also supports liver
function) and take care of all 5 elements keeping them in balance.

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malikshreds Posted 27 April 2014 - 12:39 PM
Yes this is correct. I will reproduce here excerpts from the WLP
book first chapter : Regulate the posture. Sit on the floor and
straighten spine, neck and head. Remain cross legged on the
floor; you can stretch or move your upper body, not your legs.
Ensure that lips together and teeth are each touching, with tip of
the tongue remaining on the soft palate and behind the front
teeth. Holding the above position, cross legs as character as fetal
position and relax the mind. Match Mother Nature's five
elements and space of four directions that are the mirror of
different human organs. As the human body came from earth,
the natural rhythm of the earth will serve to modify organs in
the body. The Heart fire character acting as the sun will go down
to warm the Kidney water character embodied by the ocean.
Within human body, South representing Heart fire and Kidney
water in the North of the natural world communicate with each
other to achieve balance between the upper and lower. The liver
is embodied by the trees of nature and represented by the wood
character and the direction East, The lungs are represented by
the metal character and the direction West. Together the Liver
and the Lungs form a middle bridge of communication
assisteng in the regulation of the upper Heart Fire andlower
1 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
Kidney water. The spleen is represented as earth character and

is in the middle. keep the body and extremities still and relaxed
so that spleen Qi does not leak. The spleen will serve as the axis
on which the harmonization of the left, right, and up and down
movements occur. ... Eyes are closed and looking within, the
eyes are the window to the liver, the Hun of decision making,
the Liver spirit resides in the Liver. The Kidney's opening ear
listens within the body, uhe Zhi of confidence, the Kidney spirit
resides in the Kidney. As the nose does not smell outside, the
Lung opening nose smells within the body, the Po of courage, tle
Lung spirit resides in the Lung. Silence, the tongue is not
moving and the Heart becomes calm, Heart, in which the Shen
of spirit, the heart spirit resides. As the body and its extremiies
are not moving that is their connection to the spleen is made,
where Yi of intention, the Spleen spirit resides. The Heart spirit,
the Shen of activity, the Kidney spirit, the Zhi of confidence,
Liver spirit, the Hun ofdecision, Lung spirit, the Po of courage,
and Spleen spirit, the Yi of intention all combine and harmonize
within the body. The Qi starts to move the five organ elements:
urinary bladder water nourishes Liver wood, Liver wood
nourishes Heart fire, Heart fire supports the Spleen and
Stomach earth, Spleen and Stomach earth create metal Lung,
and metal Lung turns into Kidney water, Kidney water moves
back down to Urinary Bladder. This state is similar to what
happened at the tginning of Mother Nature; and similar to the
Qi moment when life began. At this point, you reproduce the
original state of being to heal yourself. P.19-21 ... After the Qi
and spirit move through the five organs, the essences generated
from the five organs are ready to journey to the Lower Dantian
to make a Jin Dan (goden pill) p.24 Etc. Closed quote. This is
the same technique as Mantak Chia, except that MC wrote an
entire book only for this meditation, while WLP has only some
paragraphs spread throughout his book. The issues with
2 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
Mantak Chias books is that everyone who read his books and
practiced after them, went into a cul de sac because he didn't
said the order of meditations. Only people who were instructed
at his courses were aware of the meditations sequence. The first
book MC ever wrote was the multiorgasmic man who contains
the so called multimillion dolar poifu technique, which is a
bullshit and caused thousands of people who practiced after the
book, sexual health problems. Michael Winn who coauthored
that book, recognized the mistake of publishing "that" technique
which created so many problems. Another thing is that MC
published mirocosmic orbit way before any other meditation, so
everybody is thinking this is it, the core of alchemical taoist
practices, which is correct but they neglect the other practices
which are essential. Just as a note MC is the exponent of the
southern sect of Complete Reality school, while WLP is the
exponent of the northern sect. The techiques are the same, they
differ in some details, the biggest difference is in the sexual
practices that are not emphasized in the northern sect, even
WLP is married and is having a normal sex life (allegedly) he
does not teach sexual techniques. The 5 elements meditation in
my opinion is much more important than MCO, because
without it the energy body is imbalanced. According to MC, first
and foremost a BaZi reading is necessary to establish the natal
energy chart. The BaZi reading can determine your particular
situation, which organs are overactive and which are
underactive. This means that you can have an organ too Yang
and other organs too Yin. Everyone's configuration is different
and unique, is a combination of the energies at birth, between
the Sun, Moon and Earth cycles ( year, month, day, hour and
location of birth). Also BaZi reading can tell you how the
energies will change during your life, in each year and each
decade, so that you can know which are the auspicious time
periods in your life and which periods will provide hardness.
3 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
For example this year2014 is Wood Horse, and the energy of the
year is Wood Yang which means everything related to wood like
liver will be overactive. Also if you add that now we are in
Spring and normally now the wood element is expanding, I have
not a single doubt that all the troubles peoples have with
kundalini awakening and headaches and insomnia caused by
meditation are because of the Wood element overactive. My
advice for everybody with wood energy problems, cool it down
especially this year, drink lots of green tea (i myself like to add
goji berries which also supports liver function) and take care of
all 5 elements keeping them in balance.
Funny I just came from drinking a green juice. Of course, I'm

careful with the type of plants. I only use dandelion greens,
romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a lot
cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating a lot
of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No one
needs that.

romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a
lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up
eating a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the
bones. No one needs that.
oxytocin?
If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well
wheat grass, etc
4 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM

romaine lettuce, and collard greens. The other plants if used a
lot cause a lot of problems because of oxytoxin. I grew up eating
a lot of spinach and it takes away calcium from the bones. No
one needs that.
I knew that on the contrary, the dark greens improve calcium

metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone
mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis . Maybe
you were missing something else from your diet.
Edited by Andrei, 27 April 2014 - 12:44 PM.

metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add
bone mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis .
Maybe you were missing something else from your diet.
Quote
Quote
A pearl is a hard object produced within the soft tissue

(specifically the mantle) of a living shelled mollusc. Just like the
shell of a clam, a pearl is made up of calcium carbonate in
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minute crystalline form, which has been deposited in concentric

layers.
http://thetaobums.co...-owners-manual/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34652-ldt-owners-manual/)
The Ancients referred to the Lower Tan Tien as a Pearl
Why would the Lower Tan Tien be referred to as a

Pearl?
A solid Crystalline structure/object, compressed in

layers, formed inside soft tissue, inside another living
& solid organic body.
That is My Definition
If you open up a Mollusc, you see a slippery shiny moist

substance.
That is where you find the pearl
Think about this, Meditate about this.
This is how the Lower Tan Tien is born
There also Natural and Cultured Pearl
One is real and grown over time, and the other is manufactured-
Imitation
6 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
I know about that the tibetans who achieve rainbow body leave
behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium carbonate
from their belly produced during cultivation exactly like oysters
pearls. There is something here, but i personally believe that the
"pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a metaphor for the light
you see behind the eyes during meditation, which is like a white
pearl. But this is only a stage in the taoist cultivation, maybe in
time the pearl becomes more physical.
I know about that the tibetans who achieve rainbow body

leave behind some small pebbles which are actually calcium
carbonate from their belly produced during cultivation exactly
like oysters pearls. There is something here, but i personally
believe that the "pearl" in the dantian from taoists texts is a
metaphor for the light you see behind the eyes during
meditation, which is like a white pearl. But this is only a stage in
the taoist cultivation, maybe in time the pearl becomes more
physical.
I agree- it is metaphor and also literal
like the tan tien itself
it is a spiritual essence that resides in a physical cavity
like truth behind the legend
malikshreds Posted 27 April 2014 - 02:47 PM
7 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM

metabolism, especially kale, broccoli and spinach they add bone
mass and are recommended for people with osteoporosis .
Maybe you were missing something else from your diet.
Yeah I eat a lot of broccoli. Just didn't have balance in my diet. I

tend to binge eat certain types of vegetables instead of increasing
the horizon. Ate too much salt, too much pungent plants, it messes
with you after a while.
The other dark greens are good when cooked. Yeah don't avoid
eating them. Just be mindful of how much you put in a juice.
oxytocin?
If not, I am very interested because I drink it as well
wheat grass, etc
Here you go man:

http://thewholejourn...oid-and-kidneys
(http://thewholejourney.com/the-best-greens-for-your-thyroid-
and-kidneys)
Edited by malikshreds, 27 April 2014 - 02:49 PM.
I am not trying to push Mantak Chia here but i want to make you
guys aware that Immortality Alchemy is serious business
(metaphorically speaking and also practically speaking). What i
don't like at MC is that his system is so hairy and stuffy you get
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lost in that labyrinth of techniques and names, he has a package

with techniques for every need, either you want to be immortal, to
be healthy or have sex (which is like a trap imho to hook people in
his system). The techniques are the same, he is just repeating
them at every level with more connections and more details. What
I like though are his book illustrations which are very explanatory
and the free material he is offering on youtube.
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather have
been very hot here.
9 of 16 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
So what practise is good in this extreme heat environment?
Just sitting will make profuse sweating.
What about sitting during the night? Or sitting under a tree in the
shadow? Or under a tree during the night/ evening after sunset /
early morning?
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Edited by Andrei, 28 April 2014 - 01:11 AM.
I did try during the night. still hot unless I use the ceiling fan, or
open the door or window, which is not that suitable to do in the
night. Yes, it is cooler and more comfortable than the day.
I am not sitting under a tree, to avoid hassle from people. haha..
I did try early morning. better but I need to wake up early for that.
In the wee hour of morning. I need to go to work very early.
...
Mantak Chia does seem a most accomplished fellow.
He has published many interesting books.
But I have an enormous reading list.
And I don't know if I will bother buying or reading any of them.
XXX
...
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather
have been very hot here.
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reverse MCO
magnetic Yin work
water path
energy coming DOWN
all cooling
= YinGong
avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot
Not sure where the right place for this, but lately the weather
have been very hot here.
if you've been through my laogung thread,

correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels...
do the opposite analogue,
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relaxing inhale
exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels
...
I repeat for the benefit of the hard of understanding.
There is nothing artificial about ME.
I'm Mr NATURAL.
NOT machine messiah.
XXX
...
In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other
fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part 1
and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency should
do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen focus.
If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which

burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more.
What say you all?
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NeiGong,
Page 11 of 12
In this video, he talks about Yin and Yang imbalances and other
fundamentals to cultivation. One thing he says at the end of part
1 and beginning of part 2 is that people with Yang Deficiency
should do LDT focus and people with Yin need to do Yongquen
focus.
If people with Yin Deficiency do LDT, it increases Yang which

burns their Yin up more, thereby depleting them even more.
What say you all?
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I did not see the video because I am at work now, I will see it later
but I think he is right. People with Yin deficiency first need to
replenish with Yin their organs especially Liver and Kidney and
then do the Kan&Li alchemy. They have to have Water energy in
the Cauldron before boiling it.
reverse MCO
magnetic Yin work
water path
energy coming DOWN
all cooling
= YinGong
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avoid the fire path - Tum Mo up/back/spine if you too hot
Where can I learn more about magnetic Yin work?
if you've been through my laogung thread,

correlate the firesippin', and how it uses the yin channels...
do the opposite analogue,
relaxing inhale
exhale and shed heat off the outer yang channels
I've been through your laogung thread.

But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from the
laogung, won't you lose energy or qi?
Enriching yin energy. How to do it?
Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for

enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously needs
to build the dantien first.
Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel

very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to
hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of
sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I
retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain
it.
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I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down the
Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my teeth,
they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My lips at
the center and tongue also tingle vibrate.
I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my

emotions and mind.
I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the

video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin.
I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My feelings
of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer.
Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh,
one problem after another, eh!
Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen

and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize my
sexual energy for cultivation.
Thanks, all!
...
I have been retaining approx one month.
Maybe I am accumulating too much energy too quickly.
Hence the electric, tingling/benumbed hobbit feet!
ps It says I've reached my daily quota of likes! Maybe it'z TIME
4 of 13 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
to CLUCK OFF! Ha ha ha!

...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, Yesterday, 02:32 AM.
Andrei Posted Yesterday, 02:21 AM
Now you guys learned how to do tummo. when i did that years
ago, i got outside in the snow to cool down, it was just a little
missing to put my balls in snow, haha
Maybe now you listen to this guy, because he is Chinese and has
"masters" and "lineages". Don't listen to me because I am a white
guy, with no master, no lineage.
Enriching yin energy. How to do it?
Or is the energy coming down, reverse mco the practise for

enriching yin? But if I can;t get the MCO to work obviously
needs to build the dantien first.
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Any practice involving breath and mind is increasing Yang energy

no matter what you do, including kunlun, water paths, stilness-
movement, mopai, longmenpai, healing tao, spring forest, yellow
bamboo, panda qigong etc.
Yin energy: eat the right stuff, drink the right stuff, and sleep. And
stay conected with nature, under trees, in breeze near ocean or
lake or a waterfall, or in a cave in a mountain.
Infinity Posted Yesterday, 08:45 AM
http://en.dzendo.org...oad=stat&cat=19 (http://en.dzendo.org
/index.php?load=stat&cat=19)
Many thanks for this link and in general! :-)
I've been through your laogung thread.

But I'm just afraid if you do the shedding of heat/energy from
the laogung, won't you lose energy or qi?
dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as something

you own or embody mostly the shudders are heat balancing.
the body regulates in both directions, it has many mechanisms to
do either, this is just a method to enhance a certain aspect just like
fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a complimentary yet
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reciprocal fashion )
tendou Posted Yesterday, 10:39 AM
dont grasp so tightly to that which you may perceive as

something you own or embody mostly the shudders are heat
balancing. the body regulates in both directions, it has many
mechanisms to do either, this is just a method to enhance a
certain aspect just like fire sippin enhances a certain aspect (in a
complimentary yet reciprocal fashion )
Everyone collects money, possession, toys etc..
You mean collecting, collecting obsessively with fears of losing is

not good?
can be the source of neuroticism no matter what the subject,

money, qi, etc
SonOfTheGods Posted Yesterday, 11:26 AM
Today is the 14th day since my last ejaculation. I started to feel

very horny, hot and manic yesterday. My MingMen also starts to
hurt/ache. This does normally happen once a certain amount of
sexy qi has been built up. The time varies. The first time I
retained, it took 25 days to feel excessive and I could not contain
7 of 13 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
it.
I have been doing the MCO reversed, up the Ren/front - down

the Du/back and it has been feeling more vivid. If I touch my
teeth, they tingle and vibrate once the Qi reaches my mouth. My
lips at the center and tongue also tingle vibrate.
I was getting close to overwhelm tonight. It starts to affect my

emotions and mind.
I tried focusing on my YongQuen points because the guy in the

video I shared said for Yin Def. that was best to increase Yin.
I did that while watching a movie and for a bit before...My

feelings of excess have decreased and I do feel calmer.
Now, the Channels in my right leg ache and hurt, though. Heh,
one problem after another, eh!
Anywho, I am looking to find out why these symptoms happen

and what practices I can do to heal the source to further utilize
my sexual energy for cultivation.
Thanks, all!
horny equates to Jing trying to replenish
ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss
full circle
Andrei Posted Yesterday, 02:50 PM
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Uroboros Posted Yesterday, 10:59 PM
horny equates to Jing trying to replenish
ejaculation then leads to greaterJing loss
full circle
Well, I made it through the super horny period!
I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot.
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Im glad my Jing is replenishing.
Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes

upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we
make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have
replenished some Jing Essence?
Captain Mar-Vell Posted Yesterday, 11:06 PM
...
Lovin' dat pic Andrei!
Ha ha ha!
Datz what I always say when folk tell me I haven't been eating or
sleeping enough.
I've just been burning the candle at both endz.
on edit or perhaps that should be burning the midnight oil...

...
Edited by Captain Mar-Vell, Today, 12:44 AM.
tendou Posted Today, 07:59 AM
Well, I made it through the super horny period!
I did about 2 hours of cultivation, which helped allot.
Im glad my Jing is replenishing.
10 of 13 4/30/2014 10:53 AM
Does this mean that when a wave of arousal/ horny-ness comes

upon us, it is our Jing Essence starting to replenish and if we
make it through this phase without ejaculating, we will have
replenished some Jing Essence?
I get it that you practise sex without ejaculation and not complete
celibacy with even no thought about sex?
Andrei Posted Today, 10:30 AM
Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang. When you start practicing you increase
first the Yang because is easier to work with it. Yin is slower.
When you increase Yang you become horny, and if you spill it you
lose both the Yin and the Yang (jing + Qi). Yang is easier to
replenish, you just do the meditation and will be there, but Yin is
slower, you need to eat and sleep and stay connected with the
earth to replenish again. When is fully replenished, your dick
retracts and becomes like a baby dick. The scrotum retracts and it
became thicker like a baby scrotum. This means you return to the
child innocence. But if you increase Yang, your dick awakens again
and becomes horny. So the rule is if Jing is replenished the sex
drive disappears. If Qi is replenished the sex drive reappears but
the hunger disappears. If you loose the Qi through ejaculation you
become hungry and you need to eat to replenish both. If you don't
loose, you don't need to eat so much because you have both them
replenished. Now becomes the third stage of alchemy when you
produce Shen from Qi. Shen is the spiritual energy from what you
build your immortal body. Shen is built anyway during your life
because the process is automatic but because there is not enough
material, the process is incomplete bfore death occurs when you
loose both Yin and Yang. If Shen is replenished the need for sleep
disapears, because your spiritual body exits the physical body and
goes into the dream land, the spiritual realms. When this process
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is blocked somehow, vrythong is screwd up and you begin to have

sexual problems, digestive problems, sleep problems. So that is
why is important to have a regulate and quiet life, because your
energies attune with the natural cycles, like sun and moon cycles.
When moon is full, this is the time when Yang energy increase
during the night and usually celibate men have nocturnal emission
during this time. So during full moon is better to meditate and to
keep the energy low, which means do not force the Qi. During full
moon the Qi should be converted into Shen, and the Shen is
visible as a white light shining inside your head in your third eye.

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Jing is Yin and Qi is Yang.
where did you get this from?

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NeiGong Calling? Probably Not

Page 1 of 3
How do you know when to start NeiGong?
If you don't know what NeiGong is, most likely you aren't ready
for it yet.
You should be actively performing Qi Gong for a good number of

years- and understand how to move your energy flow
Instantly move it to your toe to your ear to your hand
You should be feeling some heat- which is friction
The heat should start to Vibrate
You should be able to feel your lower tan tien in all positions, not
just with your pelvis tucked in
Laying down, standing on your head, any place anytime, if you

attention moves to that area, you should FEEL it
Not IMAGINE it - but FEEL it
If you practice just on weekends, or miss most of the week, or do it

every other day- and do it erratically sometimes 15 minutes, then
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40 minutes
NeiGong isn't for you.
You're going to cause problems for yourself
Stay with Qi Gong until your schedule or your mind becomes

concrete enough to work on stable foundation
Eventually your Qi Gong practice will turn into NeiGong without

you realizing it
Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any
important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need.
If you desire a teacher because you are unsure about what you are
doing, then get one.
If you think you can learn on your own, like I did, study and
research first.
Don't think in "Levels" - this isn't video games, or power levels.
Think in moments, and desire Enlightenment BEFORE power.
If you rather shoot lightening bolts out of your hands before you
even grasp the concept of power, just go buy yourself a light saber
at the toy store- or purchase a pellet gun.
Don't be all consumed by trying to figure out how to "cut energy

cords" to free your LDT.
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John Chang said there were at least 10 others like himself, some
were Tai Chi masters.
These masters practice Tai Chi- and "if" there are "cords", then the
"cords" will dissolve themselves WHEN THE TIME IS READY.
That's energetic evolution.
Sure, we can aid and hasten Nature, but only if we are ready.
If you have been "playing with chi" for less than 3 years, and now
you think you are going to cut cords- you're in FOR A PROBLEM.
Patience
Practice
Enlightenment
Power
In THAT order.
Individuals who are power hungry- are usually bullies.
They do not care about compassion, empathy- they have only one
goal - Power.
Examine these people, their motives, etc and you will see what I
am saying is truth.
POWER MONGERS:
They are insecure, afraid, argumentive, and loners- anti-social

outcasts (which IMO they should never own any type of weapon,
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at all - period) and believe the Answer to all their problems is

ultimate chi power.
Watch their lives crumble and their minds grow more paranoid
long before any chi power rescues them.
This is science, not religion.
Power is not your redeemer or saviour.
If you feel I am wrong- please DO NOT POST ON MY

FORUM.
I worked a lot of Magick in my lifetime.
A LOT.
Lodges, Covens, Groups, Seminars, Retreats, Classes, Lectures
Invocations, Evocations, Circles Triangles Squares/Cubes,

Tesseracts and every Polygon you could imagine, and some you
could not.
Every religion, every diety, every yoga, every pantheon, every

hierarchy
I had the weirdest experiences known to man- I seen it all, I did it

all
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Ghosts Vampires Lycans- you bet
Psychic PSI thieves and blood drinkers
psychedlic to celibate
There is a sub culture and underground
Reality is at levels
Interdimensional and Extraterrestrial
Amateur fighting, Professional MMA, Powerlifting, Self Defense

Classes
ALL ENERGY EXCHANGES
I HAVE MUCH EXPERIENCE.
I am willing to teach if you are willing to learn
FREE
After awhile, my chi practice went to NeiGong all by itself.
How did I know when the transition took place?
When I was Full Lotus and the Qi Jing Shen burns and vibrates so
hard and so bad- it scares and rocks you
This isn't your I <3 CHI bumpersticker Qi Gong!
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They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?!
They have I <3 chi bumperstickers?!
lol I hope not


chi-kung/)
maheosphet Posted 10 April 2014 - 07:46 PM
While I agree with most of what you say I do not like this:
Quote
Despite what others would have you think, there isn't any
important tools, vitamins, elixirs, etc you need.
Which could be misconstrued, because a clean pineal gland is
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important, and it can take a while to clean.
The cleansing can leech the body of minerals, which should be

replaced. Other than that great post.
3 question.
1. How to make your chi practice become neigong?
2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict

celibacy or retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how?
Edited by tendou, 10 April 2014 - 09:26 PM.
3 question.
1. How to make your chi practice become neigong?
2. Which practice make you don't need strict celibacy of

retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?
1. That's answered in the OP
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2. Jin Dan the golden elixir . The LDt is created through breathing
practice and semen retention- so the ancients said.
However, use moderation
3. Transmutation, sublimation etc all happen through dedicated

practice.
Quote
Charles Luk transl.:

It is absolutely wrong to keep the vital principle in the
lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the
eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the
belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central
spot' so
that it can be put into the main orbit.
For this reason, in the
first volume of our Ch'an and Zen Teaching Series—^p. 56,
note 4—we recommended concentration on the spot between
the navel and the pit of the stomach but could not, for lack of
space, deal with the subject fuUy.
It is said that when the vital principle flows freely in all the
psychic channels, it permeates first the marrow in the bones,
then the nervous system, the flesh and inner organs and
finally
the skin, thus subHmating the whole body. This perhaps
explains the preservation through the ages of the bodies of
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great masters which were only plastered with a thin layer of

rosin mixed with gold powder and dust of sandalwood. This
may also explain the presence of rehcs in the ashes of the
cremated bodies of enhghtened monks.
The unhindered flow of the vital principle in the eight
psychic channels, as explained in Yin Shih Tsu's book, was
known to all Taoists whose prime objective was to reaUze it
in their training with a view to attaining immortaHty.
Quote
We know now that controlled breathing produces prana

which can be accumulated either in the lower belly or in the
solar plexus. When enough of this vital principle is stored, it
generates heat which produces vibration. According to the
Taoist method, the practiser should, at the start of each
meditation, massage his loins and the spine between them
down
to the coccyx until that area is very warm, or visuaUze the
vital principle in the belly as descending to the perineum and
breaking through the coccyx, the first of the three psychic
gates, the other two being between the kidneys and in the
back of the head. If heat is felt in the base of the spine, this
shows that the first gate is being forced through, and there
will be no great difficulty for it to ascend through the second
one and along the backbone to the occiput, through which
it is very difficult to pass. If he perseveres in his training, the
third gate will be forced open and prana will ascend to the
crown of the head, and the rest of the circuit will be completed
in due course as explained by Yin Shih Tsu.
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2. Which practice or how to make so that you don't need strict

celibacy or retention?
3. What about going from shen, qi, jing?how?
Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate

stages.
Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed.
For me personally, semen retention is not necessary.
I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and all

is well.
Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own

body, as each person is different.
--------------
The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing is

essential
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The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing

is essential
Bone marrow = red blood cells = which carry oxygen
so you can see the grand scheme of things
Yesterday, I seen a guy I know from the gym.
We aren't buddies, but acquaintances as we see each other only

during gym time.
We sometimes spot each other, friendly, superficial chit chat- that
sort of gym rat camaraderie.
I haven't seen him in a few days.
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Check this out:
About 8 or 9 days ago- I was getting out of the sauna. I was in

there for about 25 minutes, always sitting in full lotus in the
sauna- circulating energy, in reverse MCO -magnetic, cooling Yi.
Wooden floorboards, concrete slab underneathe it. Good Yi

absorption.
As I was getting out of the sauna, the guy I mentioned above, was
passing me and said "have a good weekend" , and, as he was
passing me by, he reached around sort of quickly and sloppily to
sort of pat my shoulder, by extending his arm back and out.
It took me unexpectedly, sort of startled, as I was sort of groggy

still from the steam and the meditation of the sauna.
When he did that- my mingmen jolted and I felt an electric charge
go right into the area he had slapped.
As he was leaving I turned around real quick and he said "wow my

shoulder is really sore I'm getting too old for this stuff" and sort of
laughed.
I haven't seen him since that day, then he showed up yesterday at

the gym, to pay his monthly gym dues, with the same arm in a
sling.
I asked him what happened.
He said "hey remember that day when I seen you in the locker
room and said have a good one?"
"Well I must have over hyper extended my shoulder, must have
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been tight, my rotator cuff er something like that. I was driving

out of the parking lot when I felt like a sharp pinching burning
pain right under my arm pit."
"Later on that night the lymph gland swelled up, and I couldn't
even put underarm deodorant on after my shower. It's one of
those weird things that you are fine one minute working out
then you do something minor, and bang your shoulder craps
out".
I asked him if it was his rotator cuff but he said the chiropractor
said it was fine.
Just some inflammation in the posterior anterior and lateral
deltoid head, probably.
The lymph gland swelling has since decreased and isn't as sore to
the touch, no fever, no infection.
So he said he was just going to rest up and heal, then come back
and workout lighter for the next few days.
I told him- maybe put some of the IceyHot ointment around the
shoulder and he said that's what the ache feels like already- hot
burning coldness radiating up and down his hand wrist, forearm
to the armpit, shoulder and upper lat area.
I told him, "ok -well take it easy, and if it keeps acting up, maybe
get some Acupuncture".
He just sort of shrugged and nodded.
That was that.
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Celibacy is something useful in the beginning and intermediate

stages.
Until the Jin Tan = golden pill/elixir is formed.
For me personally, semen retention is not necessary.
I feel a tug on my Mingmen which tells me my flow is a go, and

all is well.
Advanced stages allows insight into the mechanics of your own

body, as each person is different.
--------------
The Pelvis renews bone marrow- so bone and marrow breathing

is essential
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Now, this is amazing!
How do you form the Jin Tan?
Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex

gone?
I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation,

learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital.
Peace

lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so
Where is this central spot?

What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means and
how to avoid that?
Edited by tendou, 12 April 2014 - 12:48 AM.
How to convert from shen into qi, into jing?
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Now, this is amazing!
How do you form the Jin Tan?
Do you have a sex drive? Do you ejaculate at all or is that reflex

gone?
I put allot of work into my sexy qi and restraining ejaculation,

learning how to cultivate this Jin Tan sounds vital.
Peace
The Jin Tan is the LDT
It is created via the exercises I give here
Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO
Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate

stages.
If you have to release, just do not over do it.

In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol
If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later.
But I have been doing this for almost 40 years
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lower belly or to prevent it from ftowing freely in the eight
psychic channels. When it has accumulated in the belly, it
is advisable to shift one's concentration to the 'central spot' so
Where is this central spot?

What does keeping the vital principle in the lower belly means
and how to avoid that?
This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the

lower Tan Tien.
There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say
only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO
The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends up
in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down.
Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the power
of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole
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Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan =

Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien
Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc
It can get very dangerous and expensive.
Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate.
Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.
The Jin Tan is the LDT
It is created via the exercises I give here
Cultivating, TaiChi, Meditation, MCO
Seminal Retention is useful in the beginning and intermediate

stages.
If you have to release, just do not over do it.

In other words- don't masturbate 10 times lol
If I orgasm, I can still cultivate a few minutes later.
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But I have been doing this for almost 40 years
What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after

ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth?
What about the famous "you shouldn't cultivate 72 hours after

ejaculation" stuff? Myth or truth?
I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate stages
Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and try
to push too hard, that's the danger
If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc
This means, do the MCO and do not concentrate ONLY on the

lower Tan Tien.
There are some beliefs which have become like religion, that say
only cultivate the LDT and don't perform the MCO
The Middle Tan Tien begins the Shen conversion, which ends
up in the Niwan, Crown, and then back down.
Once the Tum Mo and the Jen Mo develop, then comes the
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power of the central pillar or TaiJi Pole
Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There was

a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation comes
inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation on
forehead skin area.
Some people employ various techniques to develop Jin Tan =

Golden Pill = Elixir Field = Lower Dan/Tan Tien
Alchemy, elixirs, Ginseng, etc
It can get very dangerous and expensive.
Set aside a couple of hours daily, and cultivate.
Once *YOU* are ready, it will happen.
Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating?

When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus on?
Full Lotus mandatory?
If you want to feel HEAT in your lower Tan Tien, and

haven't yet- try this
ABSTAIN FROM ALL SOLID FOOD FOR AT LEAST 30

HOURS
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Then cultivate
if you have been cultivating for a substantial period of time, you

might finally feel HEAT/Friction
Quote
Quote
Marks of Glory, on 22 Mar 2014 - 01:50, said:

(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=forums&
module=forums&section=findpost&pid=533323)
the 'mysterious female aperture' is mentioned in the tao teh
ching. On Long Men Pai it is said that this "aperture" is
found half way between the Heart (representing Heaven
here) and the Navel / Kidneys (Representing Earth).
i.e. the mysterious female aperture is localized on the solar

plexus, on the stomach area. If I'm not mistaken there a
stage on the practice in which the adept must hold his
intent and qi higher than the navel but lower than the
heart, until the qi will spontaneosly enter into this cavity.
SonOfTheGods Wrote:
All very real, and not allegory.
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Mine protrudes about 1.5 inches, and is round.

I can make it pop in and out, very easily, over and
over.
When I put focus on my lower Tan Tien, immediately

the flow surges into it, Shanzhong heats, Vagus nerve
on right side of neck pulsates, my lower lip goes
numb/tingles and my false and true (and middle) 3rd
eye/Niwan starts to swell.
Lingtai, BaiHui pulses and Laogong, Daling Points

heat and ignite all the way to Yong quan/Bubbling
Springs.
Huiyin, Qihai, Wei lu, Mingmen throbs and Tan Tien

MCO reverses.
Few minutes later the energy sublimates and little

death visits.
http://thetaobums.co...n-pai/?p=535606 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34127-minor-death-in-longmen-pai/?p=535606)
Intersting about middle dantien doing shen conversion. There

was a time I was concentrating on LDT and energetic sensation
comes inside the area of middle dantien. And some sensation
on forehead skin area.
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Would just doing sitting still meditation counts as cultivating?

When you do sitting meditation, what do you suggest to focus
on?
Full Lotus mandatory?
Focus on stillness, breath and LDT- in meditating would be

cultivating
The Alpha State enhances LDT formulation
If you want to be a serious cultivator, and not just as a hobby
FULL LOTUS ALL THE WAY
practice practice practice
MERCELESS ONE Posted 12 April 2014 - 11:56 AM
I would wait a couple of days at beginner and intermediate

stages
Mostly because you won't be feeling too much energy at all, and
try to push too hard, that's the danger
If you want to meditate, that's fine, just no compression etc
i learned this the hard way! felt like getting stabbed in the groin
with a hot knife...not fun dropped straight to my knees.
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After a period of years, these are the signs to WATCH:
Mingmen jumps, spasms, aches
Between the shoulder blades- Scapula= LingTai ***(don't forget

to Bone Breath these and the Clavicles and Rib Cage!) spasms
Right Hand- Laogong and wrist Daling points BURN BAD- then
at other times, feels like an orgasm in your wrist
Shanzhong gets fluttering and warm
Left foot starts to cramp, ache, burn, numb- even if not in Full
Lotus
Left Big Toe Burns
haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes

necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens. (so
what do you call that when it happens at the niwan? )
Edited by joeblast, 12 April 2014 - 12:23 PM.
haha, orgasm in wrist. that's what it feels like when it becomes

necessary to strike. that reason, thankfully, seldom happens.
(so what do you call that when it happens at the niwan? )
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a female orgasm
LOL
The Pelvis:
Bone Breath this bone marrow renewal machine
It will vibrate like a Tibetan Bowl
It will open the Coccyx and Sacrum/upside down pyramid
Also the Kua points in the hip joints will thank you
One of the things about the Pelvis is that when you are doing
right- YOU WILL KNOW ABOUT IT
Your Testicles will feel as if they are breathing
The base of the Penis is where strong meridians lie dormant- but
is a strong area to focus on.
From LDT and several other non-points down to that base area
This is basic even for the females
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"Home" of the LDT
SOTG-
Is the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in
Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics?
Or is it more of breathing into the bones?
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SOTG-
Is the bone breathing you are talking about the kind found in
Wayson Liaos Taichi Classics?
Or is it more of breathing into the bones?
I have some other techniques but those Classics are NECESSARY

READING.
Charles Luk's books too
Eventually will be adding the techniques
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a female orgasm
LOL
just there, nowhere else, not the same thing
just there, nowhere else, not the same thing
when my Kundalini popped it felt like that
thought I was dead
I might have been lol
Qi has it's own unique consciousness.
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It can:
provide, improve;
defend, attack, protect, bring conscious and subconscious

desires, teach, sustain, drain, coordinate, control, burn, freeze,
repel, attract, power, strength, speed, agility, stamina,
intelligence, health, wealth & magick
This is why science will never decode what Qi, really is
Sure science can duplicate and replicate various components

of Qi- but will never dissect it to the point where science can
create it synthetically.
Weaponised Qi is dangerous
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A sacred marriage and union of bliss:
Inhale through nostrils using throat friction-
visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your

nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your
forehead
exhale the breathe and see it swirl at your hairline
recall what I said about energy on another thread
spirals and rotation according to your location
inhale and pull that energy under your scalp skin, just touching
the circumference of your skull, exhaling at the jade pillow,
approximately at the occipital points
inhale again and push the energy straight down the Tum Mo
channel into your Mingmen and exhale hard at that point
again swirls etc
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inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor
as you exhale
one long inhale and reverse the whole procedure
do it again
10 cycles
share on here what you felt
This is Mine- you will not find these Instructions,

anywhere
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These particular Meridians are useful in 3rd Eye activation.
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Do you have it opened?
MERCELESS ONE Posted 12 April 2014 - 05:22 PM
a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw

energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and
energize the dantien as well as the third eye.
how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy work
focus on the pineal gland
not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of peace,
and love. one then the other. after these permeate the brain focus
on the dantien then commence to drawing energy from the crown
down to the dantien.
the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed
enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough.
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afterwards when time to mix yin and yang comes all powers will
be amplified!
Do you have it opened?
Anyone who has been seriously cultivating for a few years should
have it "opened".
What I was going to explain, I started but you jumped ahead lol-
The meridians I showed up above in this thread are important in

the work up & make up to this process.
It is a process.
The Niwan- Thalamus Pineal Pituitary - in conjunction with the

Bai Hui and the central channel flowing- all keep the Mind-
Open/Flowing.
To separate new age myth from the real third eye awakening, and
to understand this:
Pigeons have a magnetic crystalline structure that guide them =

Magnetoception
Bats use Echolocation/sonar to guide them
A blind man sharpens, naturally all his other senses, to still be
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able to "see"
Quote
Magnetoception has been observed in bacteria, in invertebrates

such as fruit flies, lobsters and honeybees. It has also been
demonstrated in vertebrates including birds, turtles, sharks and
stingrays.
what do you see with it?
what do you see with it?
I could write volumes on that.
A little at a time we will discuss the attributes, otherwise this

forum turns into my autobiography lol
Anyone work
Kunlun?
Red Phoenix I II III ?
YiGong?
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MERCELESS ONE, on 12 Apr 2014 - 17:22, said:
a meditation that starts the energizing and opening is to draw

energy from the crown to the dantien. this act will open and
energize the dantien as well as the third eye.
how to do this: while getting ready for meditation and energy

work focus on the pineal gland
not a hard focus just a light one. then focus on the energy of
peace, and love. one then the other. after these permeate the
brain focus on the dantien then commence to drawing energy
from the crown down to the dantien.
the third eye will not open till you have stored and compressed
enough yang energy to cause the breakthrough.
!! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out, never

ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other part of the
brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other ailments will
occur your only focus should be to relax the brain.. please take
heed to this warning.
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!! WARNING WARNING !! also i would like to point out,

never ever never ever ever ever ever focus energy to any other
part of the brain!!! head aches, insomnia, and a host of other
ailments will occur your only focus should be to relax the brain..
please take heed to this warning.
yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times

from that many years ago
good warning there
yeah I got a nosebleed and a headache from hell several times

from that many years ago
good warning there
for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all night

till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to the
dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop lol not
funny then but now when i look back on it..
for me it was a serious headache after which kept me up all

night till i sat in meditation then drained all the energy back to
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the dantien, took bout 45 min felt like my eyes were gonna pop
lol not funny then but now when i look back on it..
Exactly- that's the way it is drained/siphoned- circulate back to

LDT via MCO or shortcut via central Taiji channel
** TO NOTE **
opening the third eye is a continual process that gains
more clarity with practice. as your energy builds the
more potential you have for greater sight but thats not
the end. sight/ spiritual sight is as much related to the
physical world and knowledge as it is to the spiritual
world and the knowledge there of. its not something that
will just all of a sudden happens and then you have "
super psychic " vision it happens over time. most
practisioners will have no idea what they are seeing and
how to interpret it, and thats where knowledge comes in.
so be patient keep studying and practice practice
practice!!
The 3rd eye consists of 3 components
2 are not-the-true-third-eye
and the actual location of said "true third eye"- is in the area of the
front hairline
between your eyebrows at the bridge of the nose is NOT the 3rd
eye
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there is also a true and false lower Tan Tien
that is true! while meditating one may think the third eye
is the spot on the forehead that vibrat/pulses/feels like
somtning is moving or spiraling. but in fact this is only
pressure caused by the real third eye being energized. so
that feeling is a side effect not the actual alchemical
process.

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visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through your

nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin on your
forehead
again swirls etc
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inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the floor
as you exhale
do it again
10 cycles

anywhere
interesting lightup of the mingmen-yinjiao(cv7) bringing it back

down. part of that preparatory lower loop of "small-small"
circulation (see 3dt mco.)
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visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through

your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin
on your forehead
again swirls etc
inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the
floor as you exhale
do it again
10 cycles
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anywhere
I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started to

hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive and
my mind is a bit clearer.
I will do it some more and see what else happens!
I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started

to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive
and my mind is a bit clearer.
ok- just go slow

a little at a time
this way if you have any ill effects, we can troubleshoot
I did it 3 times(forwards and backwards), my mingmen started
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to hurt a bit/ feels cold, my head feels more relaxed/ expansive

and my mind is a bit clearer.
Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt.
1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking
2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had in

the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is being
worked.
So that's why i said go slow
Now, there are 2 theories on why the Mingmen can hurt.
1. There is not enough Qi and the Mingmen is overworking
2. Mingmen is now awakening and/or any spine injury you had

in the past is healing. Also there are some blockages that is
being worked.
So that's why i said go slow
My mingmen area and sacrum hurt on and off at times. My

mingmen started hurting/ burning about 1 and a half years into
my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has been
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hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.
My kidney area either feels burning tingly or cold, it cycles.
We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to need

to do that for most practices anyway.

my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has
been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.
We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to

need to do that for most practices anyway.
from my experience sometimes this happens when dehydrated

and rehydrating. after masturbation or sex this could happen.
staying hydrated helped me nullify all the pains i would feel. so i
drink a gallon of water or more every day especially when i
workout. this also goes for if you drink alcohol, or any substance
that is toxic or slightly toxic that heats the body up and depletes
water. if you drink coffee or alot of soda you really wanna cut
down or stop. i cut down alot on the coffee drinking. never really
liked sodas.
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liked sodas.
I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse

osmosis.
I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward). My

ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a
consistency of 12 - 20.
You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up if
not taken care of!
My vice is sweet tea....LAWD I LOVE IT!!!! Uggh. I drink more

water to compensate when I do drink z tea...

my training, at a infrequent pace. The top of my sacrum has
been hurting (sharp burning) for a few months now.
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We shall see! I will go slow, a few reps at a time....I seem to

need to do that for most practices anyway.
I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum,
where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the
most.

im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea, yerbamate,

bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.
I did this practice again and noticed that the top of my sacrum,
where the hips end and the spine gap starts, is what hurt the
most.
you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and
groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good
stretching before hand.
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im a tea person myself, i drink a mixture of green tea,

yerbamate, bamboo tea. sometimes i throw hibiscus in the mix.
Hehe, I love true tea! Not just the sugar filled blaspheme that is
sweet tea!
Tuo Cha Pu-erh...Its godly. Have you tried it?
Oolongs are my second favorite...mmm, a nice WuYi Oolong...Oh

yea...
you may need to streatch and open up the hips, lower spine and
groin. i notice a difference in my practice when i do really good
stretching before hand.
Oh, definitely. I have lots of problems in my hips. They are twisted

and pulled, which pulls my ribcage and spine. Lots O fun there.
Its an ongoing process, amigo.
Yoga has been amazing for this, though. I recommend it highly, so

long as you use the asanas as forms for the mind and breath, not
like pull ups and such.
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liked sodas.
good stuff!
I drink allot of water, 6 - 8 8oz cups a day, purified by reverse

osmosis.
I do have sex regularly, I do not ejaculate (inward or outward).

My ejaculation frequency is about..7 - 20 days. Im nearing a
consistency of 12 - 20.
You are right about the water and sex, it can mess everything up
if not taken care of!

tea = diuretic
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tea = diuretic
True.
I have always peed a good bit because I drink allot. Have to or

dehydration will occur.
Dangit, tea! Why are you so delish?!

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Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation in

mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
invade the liver and you are screwed. Do you see that fire in the
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was obtained
but you should go to the next step now. What you did until now
was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the forest will burn,
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the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in the prostate and a
fire in the mingmen which means you have the yang Qi but you
need to put in the cauldron the other ingredients and cook them.
Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation

in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was
obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did
until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the
forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in
the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have
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the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other
ingredients and cook them.
Damn...That is a beautiful painting! Even if I had no idea as to the

alchemical messages, it is still stunning!
Hm....I do not know if I have reached the proper goal in - lighting

the fire-...
I do have liver fire problems, pretty much every week. I wake up

often with liver fire headaches and sluggishness.
I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow

baby! Oh and a cone head! Twas a delicious baby flavored yellow
ice cream cone! hahah
Thank you for the advice , Andrei....I will put that in my pipe and
hopefully not smoke my self!
Also...what would the ingredients be? These are some amazing

practices...I would rather not fuck my body up by being ignorant.
I was born with a underdeveloped liver, though... I was a yellow

baby!
my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early. you
wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol. after we
mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth started to
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go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.
my twin and i were as well, we were born 2 1/2 months early.

you wouldnt be able to tell now being 6"3 235 solid muscle lol.
after we mixed yin and yang alot of problems we had from birth
started to go away the body starts healin wonderfully after that.
Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little
children....this is good.
What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?!
Please splain, mister MERCELESS
Haha! Big boy, eh! You are the kind that scares little
children....this is good.
What is this mixing yin and yang I hear so much about?!
Please splain, mister MERCELESS
its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you
can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the
perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it down,
"explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when you
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harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another energy
"life force" energy this allows you to start different cultivation
methods that allow you to develop further. so in a nut shell your
changed for ever by a more powerful energy than the two separate
energies.
Inscriptions on the figure:

1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill
2. Kan-water flowing in reverse
3. Correct elixir field
4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen
(shou-ling)
5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the
child (yu-ying)
6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion
7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination
8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete
9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination
10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins
11. Cow herder constellation
12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions
13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring
14. Central elixir field
15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown
16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain
17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses
18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron
19. Upper pass of jade perfection
20. Cavity of the numinous peak
21. Summit of the great peak
22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net
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23. Niwan palace

24. A grain of millet containing the world
25. Prefecture of ascending yang
26. Mountain of nine peaks
27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth
28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the mysterious
will be attained.
29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery
30. Governing vessel Tu Mai
31. Conception vessel Jen Mai
32. Origin of the ascending method
33. Larynx
34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge
35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens
36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak
37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission
its when you have gathered enough yang energy, after which you
can after learning to move the dantien can move it down to the
perineum, but there is much more to it than just moving it
down, "explanation for another time lol" but afterwards when
you harness the fusion of the two your body gives off another
energy "life force" energy this allows you to start different
cultivation methods that allow you to develop further. so in a
nut shell your changed for ever by a more powerful energy than
the two separate energies.
Wow! That sounds awe-some!
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What practice do you train in to achieve this?
I can see how that would heal allot of things...
Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty
healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong?
Inscriptions on the figure:

1. Mysterious yin-yang treadmill
2. Kan-water flowing in reverse
3. Correct elixir field
4. Spirit of heart called elixir origin guarding the numen
(shou-ling)
5. Spirit of kidneys called mysterious obscurity nourishing the
child (yu-ying)
6. Spirit of spleen called continuously existing pavilion
7. Spirit of gallbladder called dragon glory majestic illumination
8. Spirit of lungs called brilliant splendour emptiness complete
9. Spirit of liver called dragon mist containing illumination
10. Engraving a stone, the lad holding a string of coins
11. Cow herder constellation
12. Mysterious pass hidden in fifty regions
13. Weaving maiden transporting and transferring
14. Central elixir field
15. Iron ox plowing the field where golden coins are sown
16. This field is the earth of ken-mountain
17. Cavity of the two kidney storehouses
18. Mountains and streams decocting in a half-sheng cauldron
19. Upper pass of jade perfection
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20. Cavity of the numinous peak

21. Summit of the great peak
22. Numinous terrace of the thickly meshed net
23. Niwan palace
24. A grain of millet containing the world
25. Prefecture of ascending yang
26. Mountain of nine peaks
27. Eyebrows of white headed Lao Tzu hanging down to earth
28. If you orient yourself towards the mysterious, the
mysterious will be attained.
29. Outside this mystery there is no mystery
30. Governing vessel Tu Mai
31. Conception vessel Jen Mai
32. Origin of the ascending method
33. Larynx
34. Qi sickness over the descending bridge
35. The blue-eyed foreign monk holding up the heavens
36. Palace of the sweet spring and cold peak
37. The twelve storied pagoda store the secret transmission
Ahh!
Thank you for the key to the map, Andrei...
Study is involved now.
I will give later the other translations but I can explain some
meanings in the diagram.
Anyways whomever is interested you can see the translation here:
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http://wangfengyi.fi...neichingtu1.pdf
(http://wangfengyi.files.wordpress.com/2011/05
/neichingtu1.pdf)
The water below is the jing the sexual fluids.

The boys are the testicles, they are running or stepping on the
tread mill making it to turn the water wheel, making the water to
go upwards towards the brain. The mountains are the spine and
the upward river is the spinal marrow through which Tu Mai, or
governor vessel is flowing. The piece of land below is the penis,
which is connected to the boys and the fire in the prostate area.
The ox and the plower are the guts area where is supposed to sow
the golden coins. This is the field where the yellow sprouts raise.
The forest and the piece of land represent the liver and the
stomach, because liver is sustained by the stomach, the wood
grows on earth. The maiden is the spleen which transports and
transforms. Also waiving maiden is a technique of rotating the Qi
in the dantian. The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I
highly recommend to buy that book, because that technique is
essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in
various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of it.
This technique collects essences from the 5 organs which is
symbolically represented by the pearl glowing encircled by the
four yin-yang taichi symbols. Which means that in the cauldron,
in the correct elixir field location you should gather and store the 5
essences which should be balanced yin-yang plus another 2
substances in total should be 7 substances that you cook in the
cauldron near mingmen fire. Some people are more balanced than
others, some made enough cultivation in other lives and in this life
was much easier, but this is the path towards opening the third
eye. Which is the verse "one grain of millet contains the world".
9 of 14 4/30/2014 6:29 PM
Wow! That sounds awe-some!
What practice do you train in to achieve this?
I can see how that would heal allot of things...
Since your liver weakness was pre-natal, did you have difficulty
healing it with herbs, medicines, regular QiGong?
i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA

ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY.
it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till the
mixing point.
i practice taoist alchemy, a good book on this is TAOIST YOGA

ALCHEMY AND IMMORTALITY.
it healed as much as it could but the real healing didnt start till
the mixing point.
I have that book...I find it difficult to decipher, especially finding

where to start and how to start.
Do you have a teacher or was it by the book?
10 of 14 4/30/2014 6:29 PM
Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again....
Seems to be time.
Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal the

pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in, eh.
Good to know.
Thanks MERCELESS.
I have that book...I find it difficult to decipher, especially

finding where to start and how to start.
Do you have a teacher or was it by the book?
Funny, I picked it up yesterday to read again....
Seems to be time.
Ahh, so similar to my experience...Most stuff just does not heal

the pre-natal damage..So the mix was when it really kicked in,
eh. Good to know.
Thanks MERCELESS.
a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other words

im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact that were
light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol. the taoist
yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and
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understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through practice

and practical application.
Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the

books after you practiced them, never before.
a little of both, but i mainly learned from practice! in other

words im pretty much self taught the teachers i came in contact
that were light years ahead of me confirmed my suspicions lol.
the taoist yoga book can only be deciphered after practicing and
understanding alchemy. understanding alchemy through
practice and practical application.
Yes I agree with Merceless, you understand metaphors in the

books after you practiced them, never before.
So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could,
studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along?
Quote
The technique is described in Wang Liping book, I highly

recommend to buy that book, because that technique is
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essential, and even if this technique is all over the internet in

various forms it is not correct, only WLP has the correct form of
it.
Yes awesome book!

Daoist Yoga too!
great work guys!
team work!
yes, do take it easy with these new exercises
I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in
the beginning
Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.
So you read the book, applied the techniques as best you could,
studied alchemy and then course corrected as you went along?
not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix
before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just
helped me with the next steps.
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Yes awesome book!

Daoist Yoga too!
great work guys!
team work!
yes, do take it easy with these new exercises
I promise you that great power will come- just don't over do it in
the beginning
Also keep those Kua/hip joints open.
YEA! TEAMWORK!
Team awesome! -free trade label-
Im taking it easy with them...mucho excited bout it, though.
I did 15 minutes in full lotus, my legs and kwa are twinging after
it.
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Are you saying that the book by Wang Li Ping is a must have?
not quite ive been practicing for about 16 years, i learned to mix
before reading this book but had no idea what to do next. it just
helped me with the next steps.
Oh, wow. So you have been at it for awhile.
You made lots of progress! Congratulations!
Good reference to have, then, eh
lol thanks!
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Just be careful not to overdo this exercise. If burning sensation

in mingmen increases you are looking for trouble. The heat will
ming men area? That is a sign that the desired effect was
obtained but you should go to the next step now. What you did
until now was "lighting the fire". But if you do too much the
forest will burn, the forest being the liver. So you have a fire in
the prostate and a fire in the mingmen which means you have
the yang Qi but you need to put in the cauldron the other
ingredients and cook them.
Hi Andrei,
Question:
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is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a
road going around the area of the head.
I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing"

where one moves the energy above and below the head and then
through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit, but
exclusively for the head.
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just jump
into it?
Have you been training for the full lotus long? Or do you just
jump into it?
I always thought you had to train to jump into it
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jump into it?
my legs are way to stiff to do full lotus im only at half lotus

although i stretch regularly my exercises dont allow for maximum
flexibility. lots of weightlifting, cardio and martial arts.
jump into it?
if your flexible enough you can jump rite intol it if not work up to
it, or suffer severe pain.
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As consciousness expands the body becomes more flexible
Edited by MooNiNite, 14 April 2014 - 04:39 PM.
Hi Andrei,
Question:
is there an "orbit' one can do with just the head? IT looks like a
road going around the area of the head.
I only ask because it reminds me of a practice called "Ankhing"

where one moves the energy above and below the head and then
through the neck and then around again. almost like an orbit,
but exclusively for the head.
Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is

standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head
cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a
headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver and
gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is what
in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure and no
explanation from western medicine except you take tylenol which
is a beta-bloquer).
The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the Jen

Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception).
The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch
the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a
pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the
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salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a
stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the
ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet nectar" or the elixir
you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a thick
and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is something in
between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing from the
pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth. This is the
elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains hormones from
pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise commonly called
"swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot of phlegm or saliva
but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs in it, it has to be
processed, or cooked after an hour or so of meditation. They say in
texts that "The elixir can be obtained in one hour" by anybody,
because anybody has the immortality elixir inside them. You just
need to apply the correct technique, which is quite simple but this
is the reason was wrapped in such a complex mesh of alchemical
terms and secrets and what not. Anyway I digress, you are
supposed to swallow the saliva or whatever is flowing from the
sinuses during and after at least one hour of meditation.
Well, I don't know about Ankh meditation, what I know is

standard Taoist advice, don't mess with the energy in the head
cause you cook your brain. The best you can have would be a
headache (which by the way comes from overheating the liver
and gall bladder through the gallbladder yang meridian - this is
what in western medicine they call "migrane" that has no cure
and no explanation from western medicine except you take
tylenol which is a beta-bloquer).
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The two rainbows connecting simbolize the connection of the

Jen Mai and Tu Mai channels (Governor and Conception).
The "blue-eyed monk" is the tongue that has to be lifted to touch
the mouth palate. The mouth is like a cave and you have there a
pool which is called "heavenly pool". That pool simbolize the
salivary glands below the tongue. Also you can see there is a
stream of water flowing and filling the pool that flow from the
ceiling of the cavern. This stream is the "Sweet dew" or the elixir
you feel flowing from sinuses during meditation which has a
thick and sweet taste. This fluid in not quite mucus, it is
something in between mucus and saliva but actually is flowing
from the pituitary gland through nasal sinuses into the mouth.
This is the elixir you are suppose to swallow because contains
hormones from pituitary gland. And this is not the exercise
commonly called "swallowing the saliva". You can swallow a lot
of phlegm or saliva but it won't contain any hormones or elixirs
in it, it has to be processed, or cooked after an hour or so of
meditation. They say in texts that "The elixir can be obtained in
one hour" by anybody, because anybody has the immortality
elixir inside them. You just need to apply the correct technique,
which is quite simple but this is the reason was wrapped in such
a complex mesh of alchemical terms and secrets and what not.
Anyway I digress, you are supposed to swallow the saliva or
whatever is flowing from the sinuses during and after at least
one hour of meditation.
What is the correct technique, Andrei?
Fascinating how all this was put into a painting....
8 of 13 4/30/2014 6:30 PM
It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7

substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow
fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there is
a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2
substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon)
and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the
moon and the sun also in the painting.
It is in the Neigong book by Wang Liping. You have to put 7

substances in the cauldron (tripod) and cook them with a slow
fire. The 7 substances are the 5 essences from the organs (there
is a meditation in the book called 5 elements meditation) plus 2
substances which are the Yin energy of the right eye (the moon)
and the Yang energy of the left eye (the sun). You can see the
moon and the sun also in the painting.
Im going to have to get that book, eh....Sweet!
Have you practiced the method in the book to know that it works?
Yes is the only method that worked for me. I tried everithing it
is advertised here on this forum, nothing works for a Vata like me,
there is nothing that keeps me on the middle path, everything else
goes to extremes and this is not true Taoism. The true Taoism is
the thin line between Yin and Yang, and I couldn't find it
anywhere else.
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visualize a thin nadi/white stream of energy flowing through

your nostrils, down up your forehead- just under the thin skin
on your forehead
again swirls etc
inhale and go down around to lower tan tien and squeeze the
floor as you exhale
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do it again
10 cycles

anywhere
I am reading QiGong Empowerment, section 2 Daoist Methods,

on the MCO.
In it he has a method for depletion of jing / weakness and how to

fortify the body.
It is VERY similar to this method!
You sit or lay on your side, fill the YinTang with qi, feel the qi fill
the forehead, then fill the body...
Thats stage 1, after a bit of doing that you change it to the method
similar to yours, SOTG.
You inhale into the YinTang and exhale down Du Mai into
MingMen.
How neat!
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I always thought you had to train to jump into it
That's crazy. Haha
my legs are way to stiff to do full lotus im only at half lotus

although i stretch regularly my exercises dont allow for
maximum flexibility. lots of weightlifting, cardio and martial
arts.
if your flexible enough you can jump rite intol it if not work up
to it, or suffer severe pain.
More than pain, need to avoid injury. I also do martial arts

sometime. So protection the knee is important. Need to go slowly.
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Bone Breathing,
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You won't find this technique anywhere because it is

Mine
You will need:
One Ink Marker
One source of high pitch frequency such as the high note on a

Harmonica, Hi-pitch whistle, etc
If you are right handed, look at your left inside forearm:
Draw a Circle in the middle of your left inside forearm with the
ink marker-
about the size of a half dollar.
Google an Image of it if you don't know
Look at the circle you just drew and become one with it-
focus on your lower tan tien, while staring at it
now slap it hard
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feel it sting
inhale into your lower tan tien while absorbing that sting
feel the sting fade as you exhale through that circle
do that about 5 times
Now stare at your circle, slap it- this time however, inhale while
having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed lips
the inhale causes the reed to vibrate
Feel that high note with the sting- while inhaling
make it one
The sting will start to resonate with the high pitch
repeat that again 5 more times
Now- Inhale and only recall to mind, the sting and high pitch
resonating feeling from before, while staring at that circle
Do this everyday AFTER your daily cultivation routine
let us know what happened, results, etc
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Mine
You will need:
One Ink Marker

ink marker-
now slap it hard
feel it sting
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having the high pitched end of your harmonica to your pursed
lips
make it one
Try it before asking questions about how to do it
You will find by actually doing it- it is simple and natural
thamosh Posted 13 April 2014 - 01:09 PM
4 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Bone breathing isnt enough......
It only gets you so far.
Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw
power it just transforms the energy you have into jing.
Dorian black posted on that space panda forum that he was told
by his teacher that he couldnt set things on fire and doubted if it
was possible.
Theres a reason for this.....
thamosh, on 13 Apr 2014 - 13:09, said:
Bone breathing isnt enough......
It only gets you so far.
Yes it can be used to create jing thats tru but it doesnt build raw
power it just transforms the energy you have into jing.
Theres a reason for this.....
I agree
My OP is only Step 1- obviously
5 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Well condensing breathing isnt spiritual at all.
That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you would

be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your power would
remain even after sex.
Bone breathing wont cause the required alchemic reaction at the

ldt.
That type of internal power is different than the internal power of

jing thru bone breathing.
Edited by thamosh, 13 April 2014 - 01:27 PM.
That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you

would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your
power would remain even after sex.

ldt.
That type of internal power is different than the internal power

of jing thru bone breathing.
6 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
After I orgasm I still retain full power
Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process
This is why I made another topic called "Neidan"
So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what it

is you are hinting at
After I orgasm I still retain full power
Bone breathing is part of the whole, and an essential process
This is why I made another topic called "Neidan"
So - if you decide you no longer want to be cryptic- tell us what

it is you are hinting at
I was pretty clear what was unclear?
it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it...
7 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Posting pictures of cats?
Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing breathing

you do.
If i wanted to be cruel I could have posted nothing and just

watched and laughed to myself.
You dont need it its just a waste of time.
Chris Matsuo doesnt do it and he has jing, Richard Clear doesnt

do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should see
my point.
To be honest it just seems like your confused about things.
Posting pictures of cats?
Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing
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breathing you do.


do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should
see my point.
I could have deleted your post(s) too but was giving you the
benefit of the doubt
You did this on my last PPF too
if you have something to say- say it
I dont care what other instructors do, or have etc
I am posting info to help beginners
there is nothing confusing here
bone breathing is a part
so is focusing on the LDT
so is breathing
so is eating
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if you have a point then spill it
or back and laugh to yourself
you have nothing to say- just that obviously I'm wrong and you're
right
Bone breathing is not part of it.
Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources both
sources come from 2 different systems.
Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass was
incomplete and utterly wrong.
Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources

both sources come from 2 different systems.
Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass

was incomplete and utterly wrong.
so tell us then- what is it ?
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P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer
so tell us then- what is it ?
P.S. I Will Not be surprised if You do Not answer
Thats not my point the point is you dont need it.
It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not
required to run the mco.
The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat out
the bone marrow.
But any meditation will do that in time anyways.
Plus certain meditations run the chi thru the bbones differently if
your doing condensing breathing it could conflict with the packing
method causeing irregular musle twitches at first.
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Plus the body gives off its own heat and funk you do not suck that
back into your body....that is wrong.
The vibration is created by the wood organs the liver and gall
bladder which is connected to the wood element which is
connected to chen(thunder).
Proper alchemy always starts by strengtening the kidneys first.
By doing condensing breathing to soon you can cause liver illness

which will manifest in green stool. Which will hurt your
progression in the future.
So if I was to advise any practitioner to do or not to do condensing

breathing id say not to do it.
Id say just spend the time doing lower belly breathing. Which will
strengthen the kidneys which will strenghten the liver which will
cause you to buzz and that buzz thru time will circulate thru the
bones and so on.
Edited by thamosh, 13 April 2014 - 03:42 PM.
So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the

progression of your internal power. It taxes the liver and
gallbladder too much without strenghtening the kidneys.
So then the question would be is there a meditation that

strengthens the kidneys and builds a vibration in the body at the
same time?....
If a meditation like this is practiced then the practitioner will
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generate heat (kidneys/fire) and a powerful deep vibration

liver(wood/thunder).
This is thinking like a practitioner.
Now how would one find a method like this what would be some
things to search for....
Some keywords might be rejuvenation, healing, and martial

power.
then followup would have to be done by talking to the instructor

teaching it. To confirm that this method does what you are looking
for.

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Study ties breathing problems, asthma to bone loss

http://www.reuters.c...EA3A1TK20140411
(http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/11/us-breathing-
problems-idUSBREA3A1TK20140411)
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(Reuters Health) - People with asthma-related breathing

problems may be at increased risk for bone loss, according to a
new study.
The study examined the records of more than 7,000 adults in
Seoul, Korea, and found those with a certain characteristic of
asthma had significantly lower bone density in a region of their
spine than those without asthma symptoms.
Bone Marrow Qigong (Bone Breathing)
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Also the joints benefit from the exercises
Breathe into your bones
Improve your health by rejuvenating your bone marrow and

blood
Bones are extremely porous, and they are always "breathing". The
pores allow the passage of oxygen, blood, and nutrition through
the bones in the same way a sponge absorbs and releases water.
Learn the step-by-step practices in a useful and informative way
for the health and spiritual well-being of today's world.
Bone Marrow Qigong cleanses the bone marrow and uses internal
power to improve blood quality and add vitality. Poor nutrition,
sugar and acidic food can be the cause of bone marrow reduction
and loss of vitality & quality of life. The Bone Marrow Breathing
practice can help you revitalize and regrow the bone marrow by
bringing Qi into the bones. Bone Breathing draws external Qi
(energy) in through skin, muscles, and tendons to be combined
with our Qi and compressed into the marrow of the bones through
the Bone Compression practice. It is very simple.
The "Bone Breathing" guides to a deep inner relaxation. This will
energize the body all the way into the bones and bone marrow.
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You also can do this practice, while laying down.

Private sessions with Gabrielle in Christchurch are available.
Healthy bones and the production of blood
Hips and pelvis produce white blood cells
Bone Breathing brings density into the bones
Red blood cells are produced by the long bones of the body such as
those found in the shins, thighs and arms. They circulate oxygen
and eliminate carbon dioxide. White blood cells are produced by
the flat bones such as the pelvis, sternum, scapulae and skull.
They are vital to the body's defense system. Both red and white
blood cells are produced in the marrow of the bones.
Healthy bones contain more red marrow, which produces blood
cells. Yellow bone marrow also exists, producing fat which
accumulates as the body ages. Although yellow marrow can
produce blood cells, healthy blood production is contingent upon a
higher proportion of red marrow in the bones and less fat. For this
reason. Bone Marrow Nei Kung practitioners always seek to
increase the growth of red marrow while eliminating fat.
Qi Flow Assists the Heart
The Dao regards the heart as both a muscle and a vital organ. Even
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a strong heart should never be overworked. The heart never truly

rests from the time it begins to beat. As blood carries oxygen and
nutrients throughout the body, its circulation can be a burden to
the heart if physical stress remains constant. When energized with
Qi, however, the blood becomes lighter and easier to move,
allowing the heart to work less and maintain a higher energy level.
The Bone Marrow Nei Kung helps to develop the Qi flow while
improving the heart's capabilities.
Improving the Heart Function
The process of Bone Breathing can relieve the heart of excessive
work while increasing circulation in other parts of the body.
"Nei Kung" means "practicing with your internal power"
and implies building body-mind power without using physical
breathing techniques. Mental concentration, internal imaging, and
development of a deep inner sensing of psycho-physical processes
are the marks of Nei Kung.
http://www.taomotion...bone-breathing/
(http://www.taomotion.com/en/seminars/bone-breathing/)
You can find instructions about -bone

breathing/condensing breathing in - Waysun Liao T'ai
Chi Classics
so don't tell me I am mixing up systems
You can argue with the Hermetic Magick group. too
4 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
They use Pore Breathing as well.
Franz Bardon especially
I am done proving my point.

Mine
You will need:
One Ink Marker

ink marker-
5 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
now slap it hard
feel it sting
lips
make it one
6 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
I did this exercise as prescribed.
At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the

stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and
into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and a
bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder.
Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area?
I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move

towards my sacrum and up a bit.
I did this exercise as prescribed.
At the end, using the mind create the sensation, the

stinging+squealing buzz sinked through the skin of my arm and
into my bone...then it resonated through my whole forearm and
a bit into the rest of my arm into my shoulder.
Could I use this mix of sting+squeal on any bone area?
I tried it on my pelvis and it felt...nice.. I felt the sensation move

towards my sacrum and up a bit.
keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a week
first
7 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
keep at it on both forearms then both inside shin bone for a

week first
Gotcha!
Is there a limit of time I should keep it each day?
Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said.......
Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm me

when you can set stuff on fire
Hmm you seem to misunderstand everything i said.......
Ya know what good luck with your condensing breathing.... pm

me when you can set stuff on fire
Thamosh, you said I shouldn't be teaching Bone Breathing

because I am confused and mixing systems.
Then I gave you proof that I am not mixing systems, and you are
the one confused- now you are trying to get out of your mess.
*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of
8 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Wang Liping- the same Wang Liping who wrote

Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -- Long Men Pai
(Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as Introductory exercises-
Pore Breathing the whole body- including Tan Tien
*Waysun Liao T'ai Chi Classics teach Condensed

Breathing/Bone Breathing
*As Mantak Chia
*And also Gary Clyman
so obviously I am not the one confused, nor am I the guy who is

mixing traditions.
Let's face facts here now Thamosh-
You spoke on the telephone with Jim McMillan a couple of times

and think you're some type of big shot now.
You were banned as Pure Truth and snuck back in TTB under this
name - Thamosh
You got pissed off because I gave McMillan a mediocre review in
my previous PPF about MoPai
You trolled my previous PPF and now you are trolling this
NeiGong Forum PPF.
The problem here is I have a limited amount of time I can spend

online.
I use that time to post on this and answer Private Messages and
Emails from people who actually want to learn.
9 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Now my time is being wasted playing your games again.
People like you are the reason why teachers will never come to
TaoBums.
I could care less about "lighting fires" with lightening bolts

shooting out my hands.
Unless you are Prometheus, it is 2014- I can use a Lighter to

light fire now.
if you wanted to discuss things and disagree with me, that's cool.
You start off by saying:
In MY Opinion, or In My Experience-- I disagree with your

premise...
Not like you said "I can laugh at you"
I am also done discussing this with you.
let's leave it alone now.
Thank you
___________________
These are ALL YOUR QUOTES- THAMOSH
10 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
That type of internal power isnt an attainment. If it was you

would be able to stop doing condensing breathing and your
power would remain even after sex.

ldt.
That type of internal power is different than the internal power

of jing thru bone breathing.
I was pretty clear what was unclear?
it may seem cryptic if you dont understand it...
Well that makes about as much sense as the condensing

breathing you do.


do it and he has jing, and I could go on and on but you should
see my point.
11 of 13 4/30/2014 11:25 AM
Bone breathing came into the chikung world from 2 sources

both sources come from 2 different systems.
Teachings from these systems from the 2 sources to the mass

was incomplete and utterly wrong.
Thats not my point the point is you dont need it.
It doesnt build the ldt it doesnt open the 3rd eye and its not
required to run the mco.
The only thing that it actually "does" is charge and burn the fat
out the bone marrow.
But any meditation will do that in time anyways.
So basically condensing breathing will at some point stop the

progression of your internal power.
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I had to lock the other thread because Thamosh kept

trolling it
-sorry guys
But just continue on this thread
Quote
Posted Yesterday, 12:58 PM

Mine
You will need:
One Ink Marker

1 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
ink marker-
now slap it hard
feel it sting
lips
make it one
2 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
oh my sweet 4KHz fork
NeiGong and those who teach Bone Breathing.
*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography of

Wang Liping-
the same Wang Liping who wrote:
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu -
- Long Men Pai (Dragon Gate Lineage)... have as

Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole body-
including Tan Tien
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*Mantak Chia
*Gary Clyman
*Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:
Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of

Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing
Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, 易筋經、洗髓經), the qi enters
the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the
joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage.
When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be
dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone
marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint
exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi
can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the
crucial key of slowing aging.
- See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf
(http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theory-
of-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf)
If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon

Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to
the book, Qigong–The Secret of Youth, published by YMAA
Publication Center.
4 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography

of Wang Liping-

Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole
body- including Tan Tien

*Mantak Chia
*Gary Clyman
*Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:
5 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
Dr. Yang, Jwing-Ming:Bone Marrow : According to theory of

Muscle/Tendon Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing
Qigong (Yi Jin Jing, Xi Sui Jing, 易筋經、洗髓經), the qi enters
the bone marrow through the joint areas. Whenever the
joints are moving, qi will build to a higher potential of storage.
When the body relaxes, the qi accumulated will either be
dissipated outward through the skin or enter into the bone
marrow to nourish it. Since taiji ball qigong focuses on joint
exercises, and through the correct breathing technique, the qi
can be led inward to the bone marrow effectively. This is the
crucial key of slowing aging.
- See more at: http://ymaa.com/arti...h.QF4PDBiV.dpuf
(http://ymaa.com/articles/2013/03/taiji-ball-qigong-theory-
of-physical-conditioning#sthash.QF4PDBiV.dpuf)
If you are interested in knowing more about Muscle/Tendon

Changing and Brain/Marrow Washing Qigong, please refer to
the book, Qigong–The Secret of Youth, published by YMAA
Publication Center.
6 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
I have been doing this for a few days so far.
At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the
sensations on my other arm.
When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms, feels

like the bones and the resonates through them up near the
shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the
forearm.
7 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
I have been doing this for a few days so far.
At the last stage, slap+sound+ mind, I mirror the circle and the
sensations on my other arm.
When I am inhaling, the sensation+sound go into my arms,

feels like the bones and the resonates through them up near the
shoulder. it gets weaker as it goes along past the circle on the
forearm.
Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would be

to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a circle.
Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point
all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm = Qi
flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicep- into
your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle
Both arms
Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua

points/hip and into Pelvis
We are not connecting Torso yet
That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too
8 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
Remember energy spirals in counterclockwise spiral TOWARDS

your head if your arm is extended out- traveling inner forearm--
(if in Aust.ralia, etc - energy would be clockwise)
Ling Bao Tong Zhi Neng Nei Gong Shu: Beginners Exercise
has Pore Breathing To Edge of Universe, Inhale into TanTien
Exhale back out to Edge of Universe.
*Opening the Dragon Gate is the authorized biography

of Wang Liping-

Introductory exercises- Pore Breathing the whole
body- including Tan Tien
9 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
Taoist Yoga and Sexual Energy:

...you will learn many breathing techniques, including
hair breathing, reverse breathing, bone marrow
breathing, and several more.
http://www.amazon.co...g/dp/1567188346
(http://www.amazon.com/Taoist-Yoga-Sexual-Energy-
Transforming/dp/1567188346)
Basically- Intermediate version of my technique: would

be to draw a wide line with the ink marker- rather than a
circle.
Draw the line from Laogong hand point- to Daling wrist point
all the way up inside of your forearm (inside your forearm =
Qi flow pulling up toward your arm pit)- up past the bicep-
into your arm pit- to your pectoral muscle
Both arms
Both legs- from Bubbling Springs up your legs- into Kua

points/hip and into Pelvis
We are not connecting Torso yet
That will be Advanced- which consists of other components too
Since I feel the resonance in that center line path of my arms,

should I start the intermediate version?
10 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM

supplement that with some of my laogung breathing stuff I've

talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to the
yongquan analogue

talked about and once you feel those results, extrapolate to
the yongquan analogue
If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath moving

through the center of my arms straight into my chest....How cool!
I will add this. Thanks, Joe!
Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded and

very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root or
center...not a good feeling.
keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head
11 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and immediately

exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on the back)...no
yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the other end of the
wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's like no "yin travel"
or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the next yang spot.
if that aint enough for you...oh...

ok.
on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart
center... what's that channel portion called from niwan to heart
center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just posted
up...
bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and

wraps around like a warm blanket
Edited by joeblast, 16 April 2014 - 03:57 PM.
Yes, do like Joe said- and avoid that head center for awhile.
There are various ways to enter/exit those glands in the brain -

that comes later on in Advanced
It can get dangerous and do long term damage

12 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM


If I breathe in through the LaoGung, I can feel the breath

moving through the center of my arms straight into my
chest....How cool!
I will add this. Thanks, Joe!
Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded

and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root
or center...not a good feeling.
keep your attention at the laogung, stay out of your head

whenever I do this, the polarity flips at the elbow and
immediately exits at the next polarity reversal (e.g. shu point on
the back)...no yin felt, like punching a block of wood and the
other end of the wood "moves" ....potential hits yin and there's
13 of 14 4/30/2014 11:27 AM
like no "yin travel" or "travel time" it just bangs right out at the
next yang spot.
if that aint enough for you...oh...

ok.
on the inhale bring potential from the niwan down to the heart
center... what's that channel portion called from niwan to
heart center, max just mentioned it in that radio show TI just
posted up...
bwahahaha, it like yin-packs-then-surges, yang manifests and

wraps around like a warm blanket


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In an Emergency: BRING YOUR AWARENESS DOWN

TO THE BASE OF YOUR PENIS
& Drop it down it Perineum/Quick mental flash of deep down- 10

feet of Earth
Edit- after doing a little, maybe 10 breaths, I get lightheaded

and very high. Ungrounded, buzzing with energy without root
or center...not a good feeling.
Complete it in LDT- tying up loose energies still sporadic
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Attaining deep Alpha meditative state -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Physical Qi Balls you can make -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Orgone Capacitors/Yang -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Grounding Mats/Yi -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Dowsing Rods- for Yi Fields -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Cone for Crown
Energy Transmissions -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
Witch's Cradle -DISCUSSED -CHECK*
& more
Green Tiger Posted 10 April 2014 - 01:22 PM
I find a blindfold and ear plugs can be helpful, especially if I'm
1 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that

Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice.
Wu Ming Jen Posted 10 April 2014 - 03:53 PM
Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a

professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located
between heaven and earth.
Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is
fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a pain
in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very disrespectful.
Wu Ming Jen, on 10 Apr 2014 - 15:53, said:
Sonofthegods is going to delete me and this is why. As a

professional in Neigong all you need is a human body located
between heaven and earth.
Nooo don't push the red button, OK the black one with DEL is
fine. I respect what ever you are doing SOGs and will not be a
pain in the a$$ on your own forum, I know that is very
disrespectful.
Lol stop it!
speak up brother
No deleting for that
2 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
*you guys know what I'm talking about with the warning* I
don't want to mention names lol I just want a peaceful forum to
converse like adults.
yes nothing is needed and I agree
These are just helpful tools and nothing more
By all means post- this would be a boring forum otherwise if

people didnt post lol
Green Tiger, on 10 Apr 2014 - 13:22, said:
I find a blindfold and ear plugs can be helpful, especially if I'm

trying to meditate in a bright, or loud place. I've also heard that
Alex Gray's Mindfold (http://www.mindfold.com/) is nice.
The Ganzfield Effect is good too
Cut a ping ball in half and tape it over your eyes
Tune in white noise from a radio using head phones
The Witch's Cradle is another technique too

3 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM

chi-kung/)
Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and superdeep.
And what about energy transmission?
SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for
your PPF right?
zerostao Posted 11 April 2014 - 08:24 AM
has the 'witches cradle' been described?
...
How to empty?
Verbal Components: DAO MIND NO EMPTY
Try this or similar;
Empty
4 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
Mind
Dao
Dao
Mind
Empty
Mind
Dao
Dao
Mind
Dao
Mind
No
Mind
Dao
No
No
Dao
5 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
Do it slowly, progressively slowing, and so on, make it up or

similar, lower the tones, relax breath deep, allow syllables to hum
or thrum from low down.
And relax all muscles allowing gravity to be only influence.
Done.
You now in Dao.
Aintcher?
It workz fer me, anyway.
But mebbe I always in Dao...
Hmm.
....
Ok cool thank you
SotG you do realize I can make you a whole heap of sub fora for
your PPF right?
6 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
zerostao, on 11 Apr 2014 - 08:24, said:
Nope lol
...
I try to help.
/me bows most humbly.

...
...
No-one wants a witch hunt.
...
Tell us about how to get into alpha state superfast and

superdeep.
There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.
Quote
During the 1890s Russian physiologist Ivan Pavlov was looking
7 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
at salivation in dogs in response to being fed, when he noticed

that his dogs would begin to salivate whenever he entered the
room, even when he was not bringing them food.
Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task,
maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind
that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and
more easily I will enter this deep trance state.
As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE.
This has been practiced over many years though.
Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the
same.
Practice practice and more practice.
Short cuts can be dangerous,.
Mental conditioning is key, here
In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts
If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you

personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're
limited here.
Quote
And what about energy transmission?
8 of 9 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
What about energy transmission?
Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of

consciousness.
It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded.
Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as well- more
as BDSM typical
Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane are
implemented.
Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus Floatation
tanks, can also be used.
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Dowsing Rods
You can use a pendulum too
I am a Professional Dowser.
I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc
(gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger
I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions
So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as well

as variables pertaining to Yi
Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi
Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic

communication with people
I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate

with trees rocks etc
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Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and
living organisms, etc
Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy fields
The area right directly under your feet will be different

than under my feet
You can use a grounding wire/mat if you in a multi-tiered home.
Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the

primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earth- in
YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you.
There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will
access without a grounding wire.
Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only access
the less potent layers/levels of Yi.
So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than

actually using tools to access Yi Qi.
Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as

synthetic clothing you wear daily.
Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon that
magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic manilpulation.
Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be

harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun
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teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin
Every individual is born with innate abilities.
If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over from
past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot.
Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/-
power cord to harnass/access *it*
zerostao Posted 11 April 2014 - 01:05 PM
ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs.

not that those dont sound interesting,,,
or torture but it was used as sensitivity training.
and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water
does witches cradle lead to alpha state?
sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state
ive done something similar in ma, without the bdsm or herbs.

not that those dont sound interesting,,,
or torture but it was used as sensitivity training.
and also attempt to tai chi or bagua under water
does witches cradle lead to alpha state?
sounds like it would lead to a relaxed state
It's sometimes used for scrying, light flagellation also.

The surface skin area gets red and Histamines release and blood
goes to the areas.
3 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
Makes you disoriented from Endorphin release.
Physical Qi Balls you can make:
1- Roll up into a tight ball thin copper wire, that is bare/no rubber
outside it
make it the size of a marble
2- wrap this copper ball up in paper towel, toilet paper, 2 layers of

paper
3- then wrap the whole ball into one sheet of aluminum foil
now wrap this again in 2 layers of paper towel
now wrap several layers of copper wire around it again
Continue with wrapping of copper, paper, foil about 10 times.
Make it tight and neat
It should resemble a small tightly wrapped ball, ending up with

aluminum foil as the complete final wrapper
This is an Orgone Capacitor
If you made this correctly, you will feel Yang Qi emanating off of it
It may feel like a slightl breeze to your touch
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Auric sight will actually see this as Blue energy
You can make several of these and align a grid around yourself
using sacred geometry
6 of them would make a Hexagram around you
Hold one in your hand when you meditate and feel and absorb the
energy
use these in conjunction with a Yi grounding wire and it

wil light up your Tan Tien
There's the concept of Pavlov's Dog.
Meaning, once you enter the Alpha state- perform a simple task,
maybe a certain Mudra- embedding into the subconscious mind
that whenever I perform this certain alpha mudra- more and
more easily I will enter this deep trance state.
As soon as my tongue touches middle palate, I am GONE.
This has been practiced over many years though.
5 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
Most of the answers to your questions are all pretty much the
same.
Practice practice and more practice.
Short cuts can be dangerous,.
Mental conditioning is key, here
In a more advanced setting I could give you shortcuts
If you were my student, in a physical setting I could give you

personal advice- but online- you could injure yourself. We're
limited here.
What about energy transmission?
Shortcut would be interesting, and time saving.

Right now I sometime used brainwave entrainment, binaural,
isochronic, monoaural soundwave. Only sometime.
Going into deeper highly relaxed state while sitting is a bit harder
than while lying down, though lying down there is the risk of
falling asleep completely.
About energy Transmission, what is it actually energy

transmission?
Witch's Cradle is a device for inducing altered states of

consciousness.
6 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
It disorients the practitioner, who might be hooded/blindfolded.

Also sometimes pain and slight torture are utilized as well-
more as BDSM typical
Sometimes certain drugs/ointments like Belladonna, Wolfbane
are implemented.
Isolation tanks with a heavy concentration of salts- thus
Floatation tanks, can also be used.
Is this the extreme way to get into alpha and deeper?
Energy transmission has it's uses.
I did it recently on a female who emailed me.
I was going to do some work with Charles Crawford but I decided

I didn't want weaponised Qi- so I dropped out.
I was practicing transmission via distance and this young lady

asked to be a recipient.
However, she never posted her result on TaoBums, although she

said she posted it some place else.
She said she felt a lot of pain, so I'm not doing that anymore
unless you are my student and standing in front of me.
Beware of those who give reckless Shaktipat, etc
7 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
"All you really need, you already have within yourself."

-a certain charismatic master a few of us have met
That said, of course tools can be helpful.
Mindfold...I have one and its great for the airplane, but
meditation? haha, gtfo my trigeminal!!! Earplugs, however, are a
great tool - as is drawing a nice comfortable bath and laying back,
let the warm water against the eardrums, now work until you hear
no air move, work more until your heartbeat isnt the only
THUMP, THUMP in your audiospectrum. Well, then you start
hearing the darn house anyway
Now, those hematite baoding balls I have...twirl them in front of

the dantien, now that was interesting, normal baoding balls dont
do that.
Tools for helping open certain points, singing bowls and tuning
forks and such can be useful. I have a 4KHz fork that absolutely
pierces the yintang, almost a boring effect twisting it about the
stem of the fork. A pair of tingsha, snaps the awareness front and
center and if held in front of the eyes, can feel it vibrate the optic
nerves all the way back, now how's that stereo go with alternate
nostril breathing hahaha or no-nostril breathing, for that
matter, a curious combination of center channel vs stereo since the
olfactory nerves bypass the thalamus and are the only "true" left
and "true" right (with no center component) signals that exist in
the body, everything else has just center or both.
Still, no technique like the central channel activation of lining up

the laogung along the centerline, qihai, solar plexus, bring about
potential at upper dt & lower dt, and then crunch/torque them
together....it is like drawing a bow across a double bass
8 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
http://thetaobums.co...gorum/?p=539998
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34447-neiongorum/?p=539998)
Quote
9 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
Self-cultivation here means using the living energies of the

different mountains and rivers of
various regions to develop the true energy inside one's own
body, causing one's inner work to reach
further into the realms of sublimation day after day.
Seeking out realized people means finding the real human
beings in the esoteric domains of
the famous mountains in the various regions.
Exploring means searching out natural laws in different
environments and life situations in
order to find out how to survive.
Taoists do not go traveling until they have reached a certain
degree of accomplishment. This
shows how very important a place travel occupies in the life of
Taoist training.
The Taoist observation of the natural world is extremely minute
and detailed; it is permeated
with a kind of philosophy, the doctrine of the unity of Nature
and humanity. Changes in heaven and
earth are intimately connected to changes in the human body.
Only people of high attainment,
however, are able to sense subtle changes in the outside world
within their own bodies.
Opening the Dragon Gate
GOOD TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF FOR TRAINING
10 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS & NATURAL

AIDS
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As far as we can tell from written records, Chinese culture has

existed for thousands of years,
and its main thread, quite evidently, is Taoist culture. Over the
long era of feudalism, however, the
marrow of Taoist culture was officially suppressed time and
again. Why? Because Taoists knew too
much about heaven, earth, and humankind, so they
were hard to dominate.
This book goes on to tell how the books and instructions

were burned and banned, and circulated deliberate
MISINFORMATION that confused both peasant and
noble -
11 of 15 4/30/2014 11:01 AM
and it is still being perpetrated today!
This is why I trust No Teacher, nor Author, nor Video

Producer/Documentary
Directly/Indirectly: They themselves might not know it.
I LEARN MYSELF BY TRIAL AND ERROR
...
I just do stuff.
I don't care.
I just do it.
...
Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there
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LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS &

NATURAL AIDS
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Accepting that the magnetic field of Earth and the ionosphere

are capable, under certain special
conditions, of recording events occurring in society at
corresponding times; then two conclusions
follow. First, when the Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere
are in normal states, events will not be
recorded, so this results in significant "lacunas" in the record.
Second, the special conditions of the
Earth's magnetic field and ionosphere must coincide precisely
with events spatially, or else they
cannot make a recording.
This hypothesis might explain certain extraordinary
phenomena, but it cannot explain the
various phenomena produced by advanced Taoists when they
cultivate their practices, how they can
view events of other times and places when the Earth's magnetic
field and ionosphere are in a normal
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condition
Cultivate in a Cemetery- heavy Yin there
How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha
Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing about
this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha
Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night time.
How do you read my mind? SOTG? haha
Actually I was thinking of PMing you about this, not writing

about this in this thread as, it sounds a bit crazy. haha
Maybe dig a deep hole and cultivate in the graveyard in night

time.
Or sit under a tree
Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol
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Spirit abundant.
Take great courage to be there. So maybe good for kidney?
LEARN TO WATCH FOR SIGNS FEELINGS &

NATURAL AIDS
1 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/)
its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero
interest elsewhere this was originally in general, then moved to
OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was the
*only* person posting in it
...
Quote
Someone walking by and you scare the heck out of them lol
They would be more likely to scare the heck out of the cowardly
lion!
...
http://thetaobums.co...ty-on-practice/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/4965-effect-of-solar-activity-on-practice/)
its a bitch to try and keep track of this yourself when there's zero
interest elsewhere this was originally in general, then moved
to OT, then I finally requested it be moved to my ppf since I was
the *only* person posting in it
Most have no clue about the effects this has.
2 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares, etc
Of course, *You* would understand though
Awesome stuff man
Most have no clue about the effects this has.

Most don't understand the power of lunar cycles, solar flares,
etc
Of course, *You* would understand though
Awesome stuff man
Those Solar and Lunar events always hit me like a truck!
Sometimes a truck filled with chocolate...other times a truck full of

boulders! Haha
I figured it out 2 years ago that I would feel horrid whenever a

solar flare of certain magnitudes hit.
The moon mostly, when in powerful states, energizes me...or

makes me want to stay up and howl at it! hah
Nite Lyfe Foh Evah!!
3 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
Yeah, that is the best time to do meditation during full moon, but
also this is the reason why the taoist insist so much on gathering
Yin energy.
tonight lunar eclipse and blood full moon
______
Also, I could use a little back up on this thread here;
people on there saying I am not teaching you guys correctly, and

you won't get any results
remarks like these will close down this forum
so if you have my techniques worthwhile- please post

something on this thread:
http://thetaobums.co...-14#entry540632 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34385-what-do-you-think-the-forum-can-do-to-attract-
some-quality-teachers/page-14#entry540632)
YES! Tonight is a HUGE lunar event! Astrologically, its a big deal.

Cardinal Cross is kicking in high gear!
There will always be haters, SOTG. I appreciate what you are
4 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
doing and find it valuable. Others do as well.
What about this one?
https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
(https://www.google.com/search?q=aluminium+camping+mat&
client=opera&hs=N3j&channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645&
source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw&
ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg)
much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper

conduct better but aluminium still conduct current.
What about this one?
https://www.google.c...ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg
(https://www.google.com
/search?q=aluminium+camping+mat&client=opera&hs=N3j&
channel=suggest&biw=1366&bih=645&source=lnms&
tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=iYNaU-7eGqG9iAfv7oHYCw&
ved=0CAcQ_AUoAg)
much more comfortable than sitting on steel. Although Copper

conduct better but aluminium still conduct current.
Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it

must be grounded via wire, etc
5 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
Not sure, as I would have to thoroughly examine it. Besides it

must be grounded via wire, etc
Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the

aluminium parts.
As there is insulation type material in the middle of the aluminiun

sheet. for comfort.
Yeah. I mean we use wire to connect to the parts with the

aluminium parts.
As there is insulation type material in the middle of the

aluminiun sheet. for comfort.
http://thetaobums.co...ow/#entry543211 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34538-yin-field-what-why-how/#entry543211)
Dowsing Rods
You can use a pendulum too
6 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
I am a Professional Dowser.
I have dowsed for water- streams, pipes, etc
(gas pipes too) dangerdangerdanger
I have always felt the Yi by streams in the form of negatives ions
So by using a sensitive "feel"- I have delved various levels as

well as variables pertaining to Yi
Raw center Earth Yi and multiple layers of Yi Qi
Contact with these levels are the same as telepathic

communication with people
I am a nature person- naturally "pagan" and I can communicate

with trees rocks etc
Under the Earth are mineral deposits, quartz stratas, fossils and
living organisms, etc
Sedimentary layers which all carry their own unique energy

fields
The area right directly under your feet will be different

than under my feet
You can use a grounding wire/mat if you in a multi-tiered
7 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
home.
Insulation MAY block or impede much/some/none of the

primal/primordial core Yi from deep inside the layers of Earth-
in YOUR area- this depends on how RICH the dirt is below you.
There are less raw, and less potent levels of Yi Qi that you will
access without a grounding wire.
Unless you are drilling deep into the dirt, you will still only
access the less potent layers/levels of Yi.
So again, this is more of a siphonoing/tapping ability than

actually using tools to access Yi Qi.
Yang can penetrate the ceilings, walls, etc of a home, as well as

synthetic clothing you wear daily.
Unless you want to reach out into the Ionsphere and siphon
that magnetosphere, learn the dynamics of energetic
manilpulation.
Practicing Kunlun indoors will show you that Yi Qi can be

harnassed without grounding wires- although Max the Kunlun
teacher will tell you to use an animal fur/skin
Every individual is born with innate abilities.
If you happen to be born with more than enough carry over

from past life natural abilities you can get away with a lot.
Kundalini can "strike you" anywhere- and you do not need a +/-
power cord to harnass/access *it*
8 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your dowsing?
I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not...
Its always hard to tell.
How do you increase the accuracy/ be accurate in your

dowsing?
I have done it before and I was sometimes accurate, some not...
Its always hard to tell.
just basic practice
like astral travel
do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards
...
Quote
Do it, then examine accuracy of results afterwards.
Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method.
9 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
EyE Spirit Scientist.
xxx.
ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be... ... da posse...
...
Lots of stuff here.
http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209
(http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)
10 of 10 4/30/2014 11:02 AM

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...
Even Idealists like me can follow the scientific method.
EyE Spirit Scientist.
xxx.
ps SOTG is marvellous! Who evah he be... ... da posse...
...
thankyou Brother
Lots of stuff here.
http://www.lessemf.c...abric.html#1209
(http://www.lessemf.com/fabric.html#1209)
Quote
1 of 4 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
Need a ground cord?
6-foot long ground cord, alligator clip on one end bites onto
fabric, 3-prong-style plug on the other end plugs easily into your
grounded outlet. Only the round lug is connected to the wire.
The 2 flat prongs are not connected to anything.
Grounding Cord, 3-prong/gator (Cat. #A295-3) ......
$6.00 (http://www.aitsafe.com
/cf/add.cfm?userid=1151290&
product=a295-3+Ground+Cable,+plug-gator+6-ft&price=6.00&
thumb=a295-3.jpg&units=0.5&return=www.lessemf.com
/fabric.html#1209)
Need a different style? More ground cords click here.

(http://www.lessemf.com/ground.html#295)
That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL
LOL
6 bucks for that? you can make one out of any 3 pronged wire.
2 of 4 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
if you're lazy, lop off the smaller black side prong that goes into
the plug.
(of course if you have a ground fault you're gonna be connected to

nothing with the 3rd prong)
do things in proper order and you can just add a new breaker into
the master switch without even shutting anything down, just make
sure the breaker to be installed is off, connect the white, then place
& screw in the breaker, turn it on. not dangerous so long as you
know the correct way to do these things. (just like neigong eh?)
if you use the ol screw together plug end, then you can leave the
white & black unconnected so you dont even have the potential for
breaker-current to go through the wire.
3 of 4 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
That alligator clip on the connecting end looks quite PAINFUL
LOL
Where do you want to connect it?
They sell lots of fabric with conductivity. Interesting stuff. I think

could be used if you got some.
4 of 4 4/30/2014 11:02 AM
NeiDan - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34434-neidan/
NeiDan
Page 1 of 2
We'll see about this one


chi-kung/)
Anyone interested in branching off to this? Although it is

the Natural Progression- but very advanced:
Quote
Neidan, or internal alchemy[1] (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-1) (simplified Chinese
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simplified_Chinese_characters)
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: 內丹术; traditional Chinese (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_characters) : 內丹術; pinyin
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinyin) : nèidān shù), is an array
of esoteric doctrines and physical, mental, and spiritual
practices that Taoist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist)
initiates use to prolong life and create an immortal spiritual
body that would survive after death.[2] (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-2) Also known as Jindan ("golden
elixir"), inner alchemy combines theories derived from external
alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_alchemy)
(waidan), correlative cosmology (including the Five Phases
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Phases) ), the emblems
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ba_gua) of the Yijing
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yijing) , and medical theory
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_Chinese_medicine) ,
with techniques of Daoist meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Daoist_meditation) , daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Daoyin) gymnastics, and sexual hygiene
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_sexual_practices) .[3]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-3)
In Neidan the human body becomes a cauldron in which the
Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29
) of Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jing_%28TCM%29)
("Essence"), Qi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) ("Breath")
and Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) ("Spirit") are cultivated
for the purpose of improving physical, emotional and mental
health, and ultimately returning to the primordial unity of the
Tao (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tao) , i.e., becoming an
Immortal (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Xian_%28Taoism%29) . It is believed the Xiuzhen Tu
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xiuzhen_Tu) is such a
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cultivation map. In China, it is an important form of practice for

most schools of Taoism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism)
.
Neidan is part of the Chinese alchemical meditative tradition
that is said to have been separated into internal and external
(Waidan (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Chinese_alchemy#Outer_alchemy_.28Waidan.29) ) at
some point during the Tang dynasty (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Tang_dynasty) . The Cantong qi (The Kinship of the
Three (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/The_Kinship_of_the_Three) ) is the earliest known book
on theoretical alchemy in China; it was written by the alchemist
Wei Boyang (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wei_Boyang) in 142
AD. This text influenced the formation of Neidan, whose earliest
existing texts date from the first half of the eighth century. The
authors of several Neidan articles refer to their teachings as the
Way of the Golden Elixir (jindan zhi dao). The majority of
Chinese alchemical sources is found in the Daozang (Taoist
Canon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoist_Canon) ), the
largest collection of Taoist texts.
Neidan shares a significant portion of its notions and methods
with classical Chinese medicine, fangshi
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fangshi) and with other bodies
of practices, such as meditation (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Meditation) and the methods for "nourishing life"
(yangsheng). What distinguishes alchemy from these related
traditions is its unique view of the elixir as a material or
immaterial entity that represents the original state of being and
the attainment of that state. The Neidan tradition of internal
alchemy (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alchemy) is practiced
by working with the energies that were already present in the
human body as opposed to using natural substances, medicines
or elixirs, from outside of the body. The Shangqing
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Supreme_Pure_One)
(Supreme Clarity) tradition of Daoism played an important role
in the emergence of Neidan alchemy, after using Waidan mainly
as a meditative practice, and therefore turning it from an
external to an internal art.
Contents
1 General concepts (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#General_concepts)
2 The Three Treasures (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#The_Three_Treasures)
2.1 Chi (Ch'i or qi) (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#Chi_.28Ch.27i_or_qi.29)
2.2 Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#Jing)
2.3 Shen [神] (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#Shen_.5B.E7.A5.9E.5D)
3 See also (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#See_also)
4 References (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Neidan#References)
5 Works cited (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#Works_cited)
6 External links (http://en.wikipedia.org
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/wiki/Neidan#External_links)
General concepts
Taoism focuses on the balance of yin and yang in one's life
(Hopfe and Woodward 167). Internal alchemy focuses on the
body and how you are able to use the Three Treasures, chi
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) , jing
/wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) and shen
/wiki/Shen_%28Chinese_religion%29) , to bring this balance
to your life. These are the energy that makes up life (Kohn
145-149). Each individual is able to practice internal alchemy on
their own, the religious leaders of Taoism are there for guidance
(Smith 199-204).
Chi is defined as the "natural energy of the universe" and can be
found in everything, including each individual person (Carroll).
Throughout Taoists' lives, they try to obtain a positive flow of
chi, which flows through the body in paths moving to each
individual organ, from the perspective of internal alchemy
(Smith 199-204). Taoists map out the body according to these
paths. If a path is blocked, the chi does not flow properly; this
blockage disrupts the balance of yin and yang. Taoists developed
methods to help get rid of these harmful blockages so that the
body's balance can be restored (Majka, Thompson, Schipper).
The second treasure, jing, is essential for humans to live; it is
referred to as the energies of the body (Kohn 145-149). It
corresponds most closely to the energy of the physical body. The
conserving of jing in the body is heavily focused on internal
alchemy (Smith 199-200). It is thought that a person dies when
they lost, or ran out of jing. Taoists believed that preserving jing
allowed people to live longer, if not to achieve immortality
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immortality) . The idea of

immortality came about because Taoists believed that if jing in
the body could be preserved the energies in the body could be
saved, which allowed you to live (Schipper).
Shen, the third and final treasure, is the original spirit of the
body. This is all that happens in the body without the
acknowledgment of the human (Nedidan: The Traditional
Meditative Practice, 14). Taoists try to become conscious of shen
through meditation (Smith, 199-204). Shen is the energy that
each organ, in the body, possesses. Each organ in the body has
an element associated with it, fire, wood, water, metal, or earth
(The Five Shen (http://en.wikipedia.org
/w/index.php?title=The_Five_Shen&action=edit&redlink=1) ).
When the "three treasures" are maintained in the body, along
with a balance of yin and yang, it is possible to achieve a healthy
body, and longevity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longevity) ;
which are the main goals of internal alchemy (Ching 395, Hopfe
and Woodward 167).
The Three Treasures

Main article: Three Treasures (traditional Chinese medicine)
/wiki/Three_Treasures_%28traditional_Chinese_medicine%29
)
Inner alchemy practice can be generalized into three phases.
The three phases are known as the "three treasures". The "three
treasures" of human life are vitality- jing (ching), energy-chi
(ch'i), and spirit-shen (chen) (Kohn 145-149). It can be
explained in the Zhonghe ji which was quoted in the book:
Daoism and Chinese Culture by Livia Kohn:
Making one's essence complete, one can preserve the body.

To do so, first keep the body at ease, and make sure there
are no desires. Thereby energy can be made complete.
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Making one's energy complete, one can nurture the mind. To

do so, first keep the mind pure, and make sure there are no
thoughts. Thereby spirit can be made complete.
Making one's spirit complete, one can recover emptiness. To

do so, first keep the will sincere, and make sure body and
mind are united. Thereby spirit can be returned to
emptiness. ... To attain immortality, there is nothing else but
the refinement of these three treasures: essence, energy,
spirit." (Kohn 145-149).
The "three treasures" need to work with one another and never
without each other. One cannot exist without the other one.
These "three treasures" are important in the longevity
techniques that are used to achieve immortality and physical
manifestation of the Dao (Ching 395).
Chi (Ch'i or qi)

Chi (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qi) is the vital force that
operates the body and manifests in everyone and everything
"the natural energy of the universe" (Carroll). The home of chi is
said to be centered around the liver. Chi is one of the "three
treasures". Having harmony is one of the most important
concepts of Chi. Keeping a proper balance of Yin and Yang
(positive and negative) forces. Trouble either on a personal or
on a larger scale is a form of disharmony and may lead to illness
or stress. This is accomplished by having too much of either Yin
or Yang forces (Hopfe and Woodward 167).
Healing practices through acupuncture (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Acupuncture) , massage (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Massage) , cupping (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Cupping_therapy) and herbal medicines
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herbal_medicines) can open up

the chi meridians throughout the body so that the chi in the
body can flow freely. By keeping chi in balance and flowing
throughout the body promotes health; imbalance can lead to
sickness. This doesn't only apply to the body but the
environment as well, being nature or man-made. Feng Shui
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feng_Shui) methods are used to
keep a healthy balance and a more open flow of chi in one's
environment (Majka).
Feng Shui means "wind-water". Chi is scattered by the wind and
is gathered by water. It is good to have a home by a river or
body of water so chi could flow past your home, also to build in
front of a hill so bad chi cannot flow into your home. Modern
feng shui focuses on moving objects such as furniture around to
help promote a positive outcome of chi in the chosen space.
Traditionally it was used to find homes and good burial sites
that had good amounts of Yin-chi and Yang-chi, insuring that
one's spirit wouldn't get stuck in the mortal plane, but rise to
join the ancestors (Thompson 19-22).
Jing
/wiki/File:Wiki_letter_w_cropped.svg)
This section requires expansion (http://en.wikipedia.org

/w/index.php?title=Neidan&action=edit) . (January 2014)
Jing (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Jing_%28Chinese_medicine%29) , or vitality, is the
second of the "three treasures" of human life.[4]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-4) According
to tradition, Jīng is stored in the kidneys and is the most dense
physical matter within the body (as opposed to shén which is
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the most volatile). It is said to be the material basis for the

physical body and is yīn (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Yin_and_yang) in nature, which means it nourishes,
fuels, and cools the body. As such it is an important concept in
the internal martial arts (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Internal_martial_arts) . Jīng is also believed by some to
be the carrier of our heritage (similar to DNA
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA) ). Production of semen, in
the man, and menstrual blood (or pregnancy), in the woman,
are believed to place the biggest strains on jīng. Because of this,
some even equate jīng with semen, but this is inaccurate; the
jīng circulates through the eight extraordinary vessels and
creates marrow and semen, among other functions.[5]
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neidan#cite_note-5)
Shen [神]
Shen or the spirit (the most pure and vital energy) involves the
mental activities of a person including their consciousness. Shen
can also be said to include the nerve system. The nerve system
consists of the "original spirit" and actions that are vital to
survival such as breathing or the heart beat. A person's
consciousness is the spirit of knowing, conscious activities, and
the thinking process which can be developed through learning.
Internal alchemists focus on the original spirit of shen
(Nedidan: The Traditional Meditative Practice 14).
Shen implies a person's mental function and consciousness as
well as vitality, mental health and overall "presence". Shen is
known to reside mainly in the heart, or more specifically, the
blood which relies on the heart. It is believed that shen sleeps at
night and if it is disturbed the result can be insomnia. Healthy
shen can be seen in a person's physical appearance through the
eyes. If the eyes are bright and shining with liveliness it
indicates a healthy shen. If one's shen is unhealthy their eyes
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will appear dull. The shen is dependent on the jing and chi.
(Shen: Traditional Chinese Medicine 1-4) If the jing and the chi
are happy then the shen will be content as well.
Shen can be thought of as either a singular concept or a plural
concept. When viewed singularly shen is located in the heart
and known as heart shen. When viewed as a plural concept it is
found in five of the yin organs; the heart, the kidneys, the
spleen, the lungs and the liver. The singular shen depends on
the others as the others depend on it. If the heart shen is not
functioning properly it can damage the other shen and lead to
problems such as mental illness. (Chaqging Yang 6)
Shen[神
神]: The Emperor of the Heart The element
associated with the heart is fire. The heart shen involves the
quality of awareness one has and is shown in the responsiveness
of the eyes. The xin or mind exists as part of the heart. Often
viewed as a corona to the sun of the heart.
Zhi [志
志]: The Kidney's Will to Act Zhi is one's will and is
represented by the element of water. Zhi embodies one's effort
and perseverance to succeed in spiritual practice. Through the
zhi one may hope to align themselves with the "will of Heaven",
or the Dao.
Yi [意
意]: Intellect of the Spleen Earth is the element of yi. It
is said to assist in the formation of intentions and when not in
balance it can lead to problems with the spleen. When healthy it
is evident as a spirit permeated with intelligence. Within the
spleen also exists the xing or "map" of the body, often this
concept is viewed as the blueprint of our existence.
魄]: The Corporal Soul of the Lungs Po
Po [魄
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) concerns our
immediate desires and only lasts as long as one lives. It is the
polar of hun and is found in the element of metal. There are
traditionally 13 po spirits that reside in the lung.
Hun [魂
魂]: The Ethereal Soul of the Liver Hun
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(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hun_and_po) is represented by
the element of wood and has the ability to survive subtly after
death. It involves long range commitments and as one's
spiritual consciousness develops the po becomes support of the
hun. (The Five Shen). There are seen to be 3 hun that form at
conception, the yin hun, the yang hun and the ren (human) hun.
When all forms of shen are functioning properly and the shen is
in harmony one is said to have achieved shen unity.
See also
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Taijitu_red.PNG)
Taoism portal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:Taoism)
Daoyin (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daoyin)
Bigu (avoiding grains) (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Bigu_%28avoiding_grains%29)
Liu Yiming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liu_Yiming)

(1734-1821)
Neigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neigong)
Neijia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijia)
Neijing Tu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neijing_Tu)
Qigong (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qigong)
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References
1. The concept is often analogized with the "spiritual alchemy"

of the West. Joseph Needham (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Joseph_Needham) coined the term "anablastemic
enchymoma" to translate the Chinese term "neidan";
anablastemic refers to the restoration of youth, and
enchymoma refers to the elixir within. See: Peng Yoke Ho,
Explorations in Daoism: Medicine And Alchemy in
Literature (http://books.google.gr
/books?id=O7eDISxgGIMC&dq=) , Taylor & Francis, 2007,
Pg. 2 and, Charles R. Stone, The Fountainhead of Chinese
Erotica: The Lord of Perfect Satisfaction
(http://books.google.gr/books?id=kiwdj5GZniUC&dq=) ,
University of Hawaii Press, 2003, Pg. 180.
2. Skar & Pregadio 2000 (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFSkarPregadio2000) , p. 464.
3. Baldrian-Hussein 2008 (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFBaldrian-Hussein2008) , p. 762.
4. Kohn 145-149
5. Maciocia 1989 (http://en.wikipedia.org

/wiki/Neidan#CITEREFMaciocia1989) , ch. 3: The Vital
Substances
The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in.
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I am down for some of that, as the youths say these days.
...
Quote
Ha ha ha!
I'm down fer sum a dat!
Jah!
Bein' a Heavenly Immortal Rox!
U in da rite plaice.
...
The process of immortality is one I am extremely interested in.
You're doing Neidan
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Process
Jin Dan- Golden Pill
You're doing Neidan
Process
Jin Dan- Golden Pill
Thats Amazing!
Im so glad Im already in the process....If I had spent three years

wasting my time....That would be sad.
The Jin Dan is something I am extremely interested in. As in the

NeiDan/Gong.
I have a question that I think the answer to would benefit allot of

students of these arts.
At what point in sexual activity/ arousal do we start to spend vital

essences?
At what point in the process is there no chance of absorbing what
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has been spent?
The goal of these questions is to better understand how sexuality

can be expressed while at the same time, cultivating godhood.
Thanks!
If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside
from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation
practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that
energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for
lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only certain
times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And then
some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be natural and
dont abuse your resources.)
But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to

manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached to
the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal away
from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But its not
just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the mind
becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you think that
qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern? (Remember the
first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the first time you had
sex, for example.) Before you put it in too stringent of a context
though, remember that energy exchange is natural and
invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as you're not
screwing like rabbits to the point where you are depleting yourself.
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If you want to take the extreme hard stance on it, anything aside
from morning wood! And even at that, there is the circulation
practice from taoist yoga buried in my ppf is for retrieving that
energy. Some others will say its when the door opens for
lubrication, other say just be natural, there are really only
certain times and time periods that retaining is necessary. (And
then some say its not necessary at all, just go easy and be
natural and dont abuse your resources.)
But really, if you want to ask at what point do things begin to

manifest, and look no further than the efferent nerves attached
to the structures in question - efferent designed to carry signal
away from the brain - and the root of it is the mind itself. But
its not just manifestation/production of various fluids - if the
mind becomes neurotic about something like this, how do you
think that qualitatively changes the efferent signal pattern?
(Remember the first time you talked to a really pretty girl, or the
first time you had sex, for example.) Before you put it in too
stringent of a context though, remember that energy exchange is
natural and invigorating in and of itself, of course so long as
you're not screwing like rabbits to the point where you are
depleting yourself.
I was going to mention Taoist Yoga by Luk-
good book
joeblast, on 04 Aug 2012 - 14:23, said:
pasting in morning vitality circulation from TY
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The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the source

from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on the cavity
as the point of departure for the vitality and "breathe through
the channels" in the path outlined upon getting out of bed in the
morning.
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin through

the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the brain
2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the conception

vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to return to the
huiyin.

both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower back,
continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the heart
point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into the
(positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both wrists, to
the middle fingers before reaching the centers of both palms
(PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm & legs channels
are simply grouped together here since they flow in common
direction.)

(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to the
chest where it stops
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cavity (huiyin)

(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it rise
above the heart.

huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two (positive)
yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the thighs and through
the toes of the feet before reaching the yongquan cavity (KD1
point) where it stops

yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the huiyin
and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at night.

Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and don’t
overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually cause the
vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if you are able
to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all of these
channels, cleansing and purifying them.
(this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)
dawei Posted 16 April 2014 - 12:30 PM
18 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
I have done this in the past and it is a great energy circulation

practice. I suddenly want to do it again ! Thanks for sharing
The cavity of mortality (root of the penis, huiyin) is the

source from which all vitality circulates to the body. Focus on
the cavity as the point of departure for the vitality and
"breathe through the channels" in the path outlined upon
getting out of bed in the morning.
1-Breathe in to drive the vital breath up from the huiyin

through the governing vessel (tu mo) in the spine to the
brain
2-Breathe out to lower the vital breath through the

conception vessel (jen mo) down the front of the body to
return to the huiyin.
19 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM

both sides of the belt vessel (tai mo) joining at the lower
back, continuing on up to the T5 vertebra (GV11 which is the
heart point of the back) where it stops
4-Breathe out to let it flow from both shoulders down into

the (positive) yang yu channels in the outer sides of both
wrists, to the middle fingers before reaching the centers of
both palms (PC8, laogung) where it stops (the common arm
& legs channels are simply grouped together here since they
flow in common direction.)

(negative) yin yu channels on the insides of the wrists up to
the chest where it stops
cavity (huiyin)

(chiang kung cavity) where it stops; on no account should it
rise above the heart.

huiyin where it divides into two to descend in the two
(positive) yang chiao channels on the outer sides of the
thighs and through the toes of the feet before reaching the
yongquan cavity (KD1 point) where it stops
20 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
yin chiao channels in the inner sides of the legs up to the

huiyin and then to the lower dantien where it stops.
This is especially effective if you do seated meditation at

night. Even moreso if you can well maintain a still heart and
don’t overindulge in senses. This circulation will eventually
cause the vital force to thoroughly cleanse the channels and if
you are able to produce real vitality it will vibrate through all
of these channels, cleansing and purifying them.
(this is not verbatim from how it is in the book.)
I like the small changes you made, JoeBlast.
Makes it clearer and easier to integrate.
Thanks for sharing!
Here's a little secret (might not be a secret)
From LDT to perineum, then back up to LDT- pump the floor-

squeeze hard and release with every inhale-squeeze and every
exhale/release all the while bring flow up/inhale- down/exhale.
You will feel Yin Magnetic and Yang heat sametime
This is a good fusion build up yinyang
21 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM

This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT
area...cooler in between them, still warm, though.
The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot.
This does create a good amount of heat in the HuiYin and LDT
area...cooler in between them, still warm, though.
The HuiYin area is more tingly hot while the LDT is just hot.
good job!
22 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
23 of 23 4/30/2014 11:21 AM
NeiDan - Page 2 - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34434-neidan/page-2
NeiDan
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I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the HuiYin...it
gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping pongey-
sensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow
strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point!
Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large

enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the
Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien?
Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the body
to become a TanTien?
1 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
I like doing this practice with the softer squeeze of the

HuiYin...it gets things moving in a softer way. I can feel a -ping
pongey- sensation between the LDT and HuiYin as the flow
strengthens...nearly runs itself after a point!
Is it possible to destroy a TanTien? If so, and you had a large

enough Qi stored, could you re-make it? Would it flood into the
Vessels and make the whole body a TanTien?
Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the

body to become a TanTien?
You're way too ahead lol
TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity"
destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it
think about the garbage people consume
soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc
yet they cultivate
You're way too ahead lol
2 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
TanTien is a physical and non-physical "cavity"
destroying it permanently? I highly doubt it
think about the garbage people consume
soda alcohol drugs junk-foods poisoned air cigarettes etc
yet they cultivate
haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much

knowledge...thirsting....
wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT
HuiYin pump?
Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more accurately

being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It brings forth
allot of sensations within my body that before, were murky.
My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking

inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it spins
in counter and clockwise when it sucks.
Is that a good thing?
haha, I wont jump ahead! Ok, I lie! I always do....so much

knowledge...thirsting....
3 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
wait, you arent talking about the way I was practicing the LDT
HuiYin pump?
Cavity...JAJ MQ Book talked about the points as more

accurately being -cavities- or -wells/pools-...I love that idea...It
brings forth allot of sensations within my body that before, were
murky.
My LDT feels, at times, like a pool / whirlpool/ vortex sucking

inward.. To where, I dont know. Just that it is. Sometimes it
spins in counter and clockwise when it sucks.
Is that a good thing?
No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here:
Quote
Do the cords of the LDT need to be dissolved/ severed for the

body to become a TanTien?
I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr. Johnson's

take on any of it is.
But the LDT vortex, yes I agree.

I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to a
Black Hole.
It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs
if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too
4 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
No I meant too far ahead as in your quote here:
I don't read anything by JAJ, so I have no clue what Mr.

Johnson's take on any of it is.
But the LDT vortex, yes I agree.

I posted a thread awhile ago about the LDT being comparable to
a Black Hole.
It sucks through via huyin/baihui - and limbs
if pore breathing like in Longmen Pai the LDT uses that too
Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do you
want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current level this
thread is at?
Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I would
like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if opposite
views are known.
If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole intent...would
that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei Gong/ Dan?
Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing

techniques that work with the vortexing?
5 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit,

breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as possible
and something has changed.
Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is something
there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating slightly. Edit- the
full area is now jumping around a bit inside...the skin around the
QiHai cavity feels taught from the internal pressure.
Is this a negative reaction?
No no you can ask anything dude- just the cords dissolving is to

be discussed further on that other thread "How to cut the
cords"- so I rather keep that topic separate because you just
know it will cause all types of confusion and someone will get hurt
lol
Ah, ok. Good. So just the questions I am asking are too far. Do
you want me to attempt to keep my questions to the current
level this thread is at?
Do you have anything against JAJ and his material? If so, I

would like to know what it is..Helps to gain greater clarity, if
opposite views are known.
6 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Dr. Jerry Alan Johnson has a lot of material.

I actually have all his books EXCEPT "Daoist Alchemy"
Ummm-- JAJ is a christian, so it sort of ruined it all for me.
Unless his recent "Daoist Alchemy" is redeeming, which I don't

know -because I don't have it
If I breathe into the LDT and utilize the Black Hole

intent...would that be a solid method of cultivation into the Nei
Gong/ Dan?
Do you happen to feel like sharing some Pore Breathing

techniques that work with the vortexing?
Dragon Gate uses pore breathing for the LDT
That is a good one, and inhaling the SOL as I mentioned

somewhere on this PPF
Yes, I have many various techniques for pore breathing
I got millions of techniques- beginners intermediate advanced

super advanced super duper advanced
7 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
er, you get the message LOL
heh
I have been feeling the sucking sensation of my LDT for a bit,

breathing into it, keeping half awareness of it as much as
possible and something has changed.
Now, the area of the QiHai feels very full, like there is
something there..its also warm and the warmth is vibrating
slightly. Edit- the full area is now jumping around a bit
inside...the skin around the QiHai cavity feels taught from the
internal pressure.
Is this a negative reaction?
If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I

have given everyone-
-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION
Congratulations!
However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the

feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much
Taco Bell
8 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
http://thetaobums.co...-holesupernova/ (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/33395-the-lower-tan-tien-is-similar-to-a-black-
holesupernova/)
SonOfTheGods, on 17 Jan 2014 - 13:20, said:
The Lower Tan Tien Is "Similar" To A Black

Hole/SuperNova:
Can't "Fill" a Black Hole
It can be "fed" though.
The lower Tan Tien, as a Vacuum, sucking and pulling in

through the crown, and 4 limbs/pore breathe, etc.
As it grows and condenses/collapses upon itself- it

produces/circulates energy MCO, etc
Crown/Baihui is yang
Niwan is magnetic, and grounded to Earth

Energy connects ---> qihai // dantian etc
In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and magnetic-

even though it would appear to new comers, that the energy
should seem to be yang and warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is
coming down from "the sky"
Yes it did.
9 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
A collapsing star- super nova, bright.

Like that sort of model. Pre- black hole.
Material comes out of a black hole- changed but similar.

maybe "refined"
I just like my analogy of "Feeding" the tan tien, then it "digests"

the energy- as "fuel"
When the Qi hai is full, like a large sphere, it makes contact with
back & front & huiyin on the bottom. It begins the upward
circulation from the Wei Lu/tail bone. Like the images I just
posted
10 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
If you received this new feeling due to the techniques I

have given everyone-
-then this is the BEGINNING OF YIN YANG FUSION
Congratulations!
However, if this did not happen as i suggested above- and the

feeling starts to diminish- it might be only Gas from too much
Taco Bell
After a good nights sleep, I can still feel the sensation of sucking
into the LDT.
QiHai feels full and if I put my awareness on it, the collapsing

inward/ sucking becomes evident.
It does not seem to be from z tacos! This is good....

11 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
Last night I did this with a gentle squeeze and it lit up the whole
circuit from HuiYin-MingMen-LDT. It felt like electricity,
sparkling/ vibrating/ pulsing and slightly cold.
Also, the sucking/ collapsing feeling at the QiHai is consistent.

When I feel it, its like my whole stomach is being sucked inward,
its intense. And the area around the LDT feels full and a bit hard.
12 of 12 4/30/2014 11:22 AM
TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc - SonOfTheGods -... http://thetaobums.com/topic/34629-taiji-polecentral-channel-lower-...
TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc

TaiJi Pole, Central Channel,
Page 1 of 2
The Central Channel becomes "powered up" after the

Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive"
Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then

thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very misleading.
Quote
1 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
The electrical polarity and field of energy in the polar axis is

related to the Original or Yuan Qi from which the Conception
and Governing Vessels form the seas of Yin and Yang energy
during the first cellular division. The Yin and Yang Heel
Vessels are also established, forming the left and right sides.
Examine all those Links posted:
This should be common knowledge to any "hard core cultivator"
Quote
The Eight Extraordinary Vessels
Governing Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels

/5e-gc.htm)
Conception Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-gc.htm)
Yang Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-heel.htm)
Yin Heel Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-heel.htm)
Yang Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-linking.htm)
Yin Linking Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-linking.htm)
Thrusting Vessels (http://lieske.com/channels
/5e-thrusting.htm)
Belt Vessel (http://lieske.com/channels/5e-belt.htm)
2 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
The Eight Extraordinary Vessels do the following:
The Governing Vessel (Yang) controls development of the

body's back.
The Conception Vessel (Yin) controls development of the
body's front.
The Yang Heel Vessels control the development of the body's
right and left Yang energy.
The Yin Heel Vessels control the development of the body's
right and left Yin energy.
The Yang Linking Vessels control the development of the
exterior of the body (and correlates to Heaven energy).
The Yin Linking Vessels control the development of the
interior of the body (and correlates to Earth energy).
The Thrusting Vessels carry energy through the center of the
body and controls the body's center core.
The Belt Vessel binds all the channels together (it's the only
vessel with a horizontal flow of Qi).
Interestingly, each of the Eight Extraordinary Vessels correlates

to one of the Eight Trigrams, which in turn relate to the Five
Elements:
Governing Vessel = Lake (Metal)
Conception Vessel = Fire (Fire)
Yang Heel Vessel = Water (Water)
Yin Heel Vessel = Earth (Earth)
Yang Linking Vessel = Thunder (Wood)
Yin Linking Vessel = Mountain (Earth)
Thrusting Vessel = Heaven (Metal)
Belt Vessel = Wind (Wood)
The Central Channel becomes "powered up" after the
3 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
Tum Mo and Jen Mo channels are "productive"
Just filling and compresing chi into LDT and then

thinking your Taiji pole will energise is very
misleading.
You are NOT going to avoid the MCO
It is a circuit that runs Automatically-

WITHOUT YOUR GIVEN CONSENT
Quote
Rote:
mechanical or habitual repetition of something to be learned.
4 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1
The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin
The Perineum is not a Tan Tien
Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of Yin
Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the
5 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where three

of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels (this -
the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the
Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between
two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus and
urethra/sexual organs.
It has particular and special qualities but because of its

location is not much used. Other points share some of
its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2
(http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conception-
vessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely
overwhelming reasons for using this point.
LDT cavity- collects/feeds Yang Yin @ Ratio of 1:1
The Pernineum does not store anything, let alone Yin
The Perineum is not a Tan Tien
Conception Vessel 1: Ren-1: Huiyin Meeting Place of

Yin
Conception Vessel 1, the first point - Ren-1 - on the

Conception Vessel acupuncture channel, is where
three of the most powerful yin acupuncture channels
(this - the Conception Vessel, the Governing and the
Penetrating channels) emerge from the body, between
two of the most yin entrance/exit places - the anus
6 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
and urethra/sexual organs.
It has particular and special qualities but because of

its location is not much used. Other points share some
of its qualities, such as Conception Vessel 2
(http://www.acupuncture-points.org/conception-
vessel-2.html) and Kidney 1, so there are rarely
overwhelming reasons for using this point.
Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the yongquen
is the extended root?
If the huiyin does not store...it channels?
Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?
http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php
(http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc
/meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php)
Quote
In the body the t'ai chi pole exists as a line that is located
running through the central core, from the top of the head to the
perineum. The perineum is a point located on the midline
exactly between the anus and the genitals. If you are able to
align the body correctly in relation to this line you can realise
profound stillness and ease of movement without breaking the
continuity and connectedness of the ch'i. Whilst maintaining
this inner state you will be able to appreciate that inactivity can
create activity. There is stillness in movement.
The t'ai chi pole is formed when the centres of the three tan
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tiens are aligned vertically. The three tan tiens are named
according to their location: lower, middle and upper. The words
"tan tien" means literally "cinnabar field" or as it came to be
known, "field of elixir." This was a term used in Taoist alchemy.
The alchemists in ancient China were trying to discover a way to
achieve longevity and their search led them to experiment with
various substances including cinnabar. At that time cinnabar
was a substance used to make vermilion ink and only the
emperor was permitted to write with it. Until recently cinnabar
was used in Chinese medicine to calm the Heart and Spirit. It is
now recognised as mercury sulphide and is very toxic. The tan
tiens in the body relate to the inner alchemy that developed at
the same time. The goal for the inner alchemist was to purify
human nature and transform the spirit. They gathered and
stored the ch'i, circulated it, and used the tan tiens as focal
points in their practices.
The three treasures of jing, ch'i and shen were linked with the
tan tiens. In the lower tan tien the Jing is transformed into Ch'i,
in the middle tantien the Ch'i is transformed into Shen and
finally in the upper tan tien the Shen is transformed into Wu
Chi.
The Three Treasures are also connected with the Three Outer
Forces known as Heaven, Earth and Man. Jing is the most
dense substance and therefore the most yin of the three and
linked with the earth. Jing can be thought of as the reproductive
essence. In ch'i kung meditation the Earth ch'i is gathered in the
lower tan tien and is associated with heat. Ch'i is a mixture of
yin and yang and is closely linked with the air, which is a
mixture of Heaven and Earth ch'i, and this is gathered in the
middle tan tien. The association at this level is vibration. The
subtlest of the Three Treasures is the Shen and therefore it is
the most yang and is linked with Heaven. Shen is gathered in
the upper tan tien and is associated with light. The movement of
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these inner substances is via the t'ai chi pole.

The three tan tiens are each made up of nine chambers and
they encompass a large area of the body. It is the centre of each
area that must be vertically aligned and this central location can
be found in relation to specific points on the body.
The location of the centre of the lower tan tien is at the centre of
a triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first, at the
front of the body, is Shen Que or Ren 8 that is also the
umbilicus. The next, at the back of the body, is Ming men or Du
4. This is located on the centre line of the spine at the level of the
intervertebral space between the second and third lumber
vertebrae . The third point of the triangle is Hui yin or Ren 1
(also known as the perineum) that is on the mid-line between
the legs and halfway between the genitals and anus.
The centre of the middle tan tien is located in the centre of the
body at the level of Shen Zong or Ren 17. This point is found by
first locating the zyphoid process. This is the piece of bone that
drops down from the place where the ribs meet above the
stomach. From the Zyphoid bone move your finger carefully
upwards a distance of 3 cms. until you feel where this bone
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joins the central chest bone or sternum. Now move your finger
to the side and you will feel the space between the ribs. Move up
to the next space between the ribs and move back to the central
chest bone. Feel for a dip on the centre-line of the sternum. This
is Shen Zong or Centre of the Chest.
The centre of the upper tan tien is also found at the centre of a
triangle formed by three acupuncture points. The first is
Yintang, between the eyebrows, just above the bridge of the
nose. The second is Baihui or Du 20. This is located on the top
of the head on the midline. If you look at the head from the side
and extend a line, which runs from the midpoint of the ear lobe
to the apex of the ear, you are close to the location of this point.
There is often a softer area of flesh on the head that is slightly
flatter than the surrounding region. It is easier to ask someone
else to go through this location procedure with you and place a
finger on the point to help you become aware of the exact
position. The third point of the triangle is Fengfu or Du 16. This
is on the midline at the back of the neck directly under the
occiput that is the bottom edge of the skull.
In almost every t'ai chi position and t'ai chi exercise the body is
kept in this alignment. The occiput is always lifted slightly
which lengthens the back of the neck and rotates the head
slightly. From the front this appears as if the chin is slightly
tucked in but remember that this is a bi-product of adjusting
your neck and you should not focus on the chin and pull it in.
When the head is rotated in this way Baihiu or Du 20 becomes
lifted and brought forward slightly. This can all be achieved
naturally if you suspend the head gently as if pulled up from a
thread, which is connected to the point. Cheng Man-Ching said
that you could practise all your life and not make any real
progress if you neglected this important point.
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I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have

started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums.
Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO,

Conception- Governing
Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwan-

heart
Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the

chongmai
Is the perineum the upper root, the true root, while the
yongquen is the extended root?
If the huiyin does not store...it channels?
Then we could utilize it to suck in qi, into the LDT?
Here's the logic to this IMO/IME
Kundalini:
"is said to be stored in the tailbone/coccyx/perineum/etc"
but it actually descends downward in my experiences
11 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
However:
*if it is stored there- then it is fiery- yang
*or- if it stored there and it is Yin, then not pure Yin but mixed
with Yang- so that means kundalini/red is a fusion of yin/yang
or- *if it is pure Yin, it should be cool/cold- but Yin doesn't move
alone, it always follows yang
it can't be all of them so which?
Kundalini is spoken of as HOT.
see my point?
To get Yin out of the ground- it must still accompany Yang in

order to emanate out of the earth "to get into" your perienum
http://naturalwaytai..._tai_chi_nw.php
(http://naturalwaytaichi.co.uk/alannwtc
/meaning_of_tai_chi_nw.php)
you probably wouldnt be surprised at the correlations of the

lightning path meditation to that picture
12 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation

background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great
stuff.

What is the lightning path meditation?
It sounds interesting.

I'm still trying to find Max's Red Dragon Palm!
What is the lightning path meditation?
It sounds interesting.
I 2nd that!
13 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
Awesome thread. Not having much of a taoist cultivation

background, I will have to take some time and digest this. Great
stuff.
thanks man!

The vagus nerve is not the
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more...
14 of 14 4/30/2014 11:08 AM
TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc - Page 2 - SonOf... http://thetaobums.com/topic/34629-taiji-polecentral-channel-lower-...
TaiJi Pole/Central Channel: Lower Tan Tien etc

TaiJi Pole, Central Channel,
Page 2 of 2
I have been playing with tongue positions and something I have

started to notice. I would like to hear your thoughts on it, bums.
Tongue behind the teeth in little cavity, opens up the MCO,

Conception- Governing
Tongue in center of hard palate- channel between baihui-niwan-

heart
Tongue behind hard palate, into the softness- opens up the

chongmai
Tongue Mudras
different circuits connect up/down
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path
1 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
Tongue Mudras
different circuits connect up/down
If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of
tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to
LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up.
Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras?
If I put my tongue at the base of the lower teeth, below the tip of
tongue, it heavily stimulates the CV, pinging it from tongue to
LDT, barely going past LDT to HuiYin, then back up.
Any resources to learn more about the tongue mudras?
I just invented "Tongue Mudras" lol
but yes, there is some stuff around the different placements of the
tongue
http://www.qigonghea...recommendation/
(http://www.qigonghealingarts.org/qigong-exercises/qigong-
exercise-tongue-position-recommendation/)
2 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
I found this in the forum and thought it was beneficial to post

here!
RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos, New

Mexico.
Sit in a chair, feet flat with your fist closed on top of your thighs.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine, in
the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of glowing
matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It glows and it
has hot vapor around it.
See it as very real within the center of your chest.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can hold
your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After the
inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your chin, but
keep the spine and neck aligned.
Slightly tighten the anus, so energy doesn't leak, now hold the
breath neutrally. You will feel like your air will dissipate quickly,
so if this happens inhale tiny amount of air, to get the neutral
feeling. If you over-inflated, blow some air out.
As you are running out of air, relax.
You will begin to feel this implosive, shrinking feeling as your

lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up and
down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but you
3 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you can't
hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat melt the
body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more each
time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are going to
transition over into another energetic form.
If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense bliss

arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and repeat
twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll lose the
effect.
This opens the deepest part of the emotions, so be prepared and

do not do this more than twice a month......carefully.
See if you can break the barrier.
Max

here!
RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos,
4 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
New Mexico.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine,
in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of
glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It
glows and it has hot vapor around it.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can
hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After
the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your
chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned.

lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up
and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but
you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you
can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat
melt the body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more
each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are
going to transition over into another energetic form.
5 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense

bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and
repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll
lose the effect.

Max
This one is very hard...Woo!
My diaphragm pumps like crazy after just a short while...
If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form...
Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path
http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com
/stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)
6 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
This was the one I was talking to Multiarms about in the other
thread- heat in MDT

here!
RED SUN
by Max Christensen
This method as given to me by a hung-moon teacher in Taos,

New Mexico.
Sit for a moment until the mind is empty and relaxed. Imagine,
in the middle dantien area, a small, golf ball sized ball of
glowing matter. This matter looks like a hot coal from a fire. It
glows and it has hot vapor around it.
Now inhale through your nose gently, enough so that you can
hold your breath in a neutral state (about 2/3 of capacity). After
the inhalation, swallow hard with a gulping sound, tuck your
chin, but keep the spine and neck aligned.
7 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM

lungs convulse for air. The energy will begin to ping-pong up
and down in your chest. It may feel like you are going to die, but
you won't. Relax more and with your mind, see the coal getting
brighter and brighter, hotter and hotter, so when you feel you
can't hold it anymore, say to yourself, melt, melt, see the heat
melt the body.
If you can hang in this state and keep melting more and more
each time the (death) feeling hits, you may feel like you are
going to transition over into another energetic form.
If you do it right, an orgasmic hiccup and a surge of intense

bliss arises. After this, exhale slowly through the mouth and
repeat twice more, but only inhale once between sets or youll
lose the effect.

Max
If the Lower TanTien is a super nova like substance/ form...
8 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
Where/ how does it express/ expell what it "eats"?
MCO etc
http://hermetic.com/...hing-sword.html (http://hermetic.com
/stavish/rituals/flashing-sword.html)
Quote
The Technique of "The Flashing Sword" is among one of the

most common methods known to qabalists, and yet, one of the
least commented upon. Like many esoteric practices it lends
itself to a great deal of sophistication, and can be introduced to
beginning students as a practical mnemonic devise for learning
the basics of the Tree of Life, up to a method for releasing the
"Secret Fire" or Kundalini in each of us.
MCO etc
So that is part of why we do the MCO....To increase the amount/

purity/ frequency that the LDT can emit..
and we pack the LDT to upgrade it, so it can emit...
9 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
...
Quote
Tree of Life has a Lightening and also Serpent Path.
Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!!
It's LIGHTNING.
NOT.
Lightening!
Bozoz!!!
xxx.
...
...
Arm 'ere ta improve youze guyz' SPELLING!!!
It's LIGHTNING.
10 of 11 4/30/2014 11:09 AM
NOT.
Lightening!
Bozoz!!!
xxx.
...
iz dat spechal kinda speelin
I've never seen one person with so many PPFs! LoL

The vagus nerve is not the
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Transmission, Aliens, Ghosts, Qi - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34574-transmission-aliens-ghosts-qi/

Aliens, ET, interdimensional, transmission,
Page 1 of 7
I was doing some research on TheTaoBums archives via Google.
I was listening to Max Christenson newest radio interview, so I

wanted to check up on fellow TTB'ers to see how their Kunlun
training was going.
I used to do Kunlun, and the 3 levels of Red Phoenix.
Actually I have done all of Max's exercises in his book(s)
I ran my course in Kunlun.
I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere with

it, anymore.
That could just be unique to me.
Anyway, as I am searching TTB archive about Kunlun, I

noticed some people were having problems with Kunlun.
The ones who were having problems were the individuals
1 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY TRANSMISSION

FROM MAX.
Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly Max

put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed,
non-problematic.
However, the individuals who had problems were

students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions complete
with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.
According to the experiences archived on TTB,

these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.
Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of

Max's students.
Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.
Some people will scoff, laugh, troll.
Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in

spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and refuse
to believe in Et origins.
Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.
2 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
Some teachers in Daoism will include planets,

constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing
and transmuting energy.
So various spirits- which is an essential part in NeiGong,

etc are incorporated in training.
Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and

communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN
ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.
If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more study,

or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.
The HARD WAY?
Why?
Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction

with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5 varieties!)
Who are all these invisible entities?
Are all of them, Benevolent?
Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL
3 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS?
Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars.
Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled love&light

people.
Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while

alive.
Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic Qi

bank-
Plug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits

for food.
We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe.
HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay

active visiting various realms.
EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.
Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the group-
you willingly become part of the egregore.
This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad

experiences, obviously.
4 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:
If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters,

maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of
them are Malevolent is a very good though.
Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the

vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"
If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find

yourself being visited while asleep, I would question
what is going on, and get some active psychic self defense
going on.
I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about

allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy
Transmission.
Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Time-
because you just know- someone- will complain:
This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!
But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:
5 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
Signs, Symptoms, Scenario:
So, you are on TheTaoBums.

You read stories of people who can do incredible things
(supposedly)
Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself.
Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too,
Maybe, can do great things.
Wait, 25 years?
I WANT IT NOW!
Can I speed this process up?
I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc
I can't wait!
NOW!
So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you
healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting
etc.
"They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc.
Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many
students.
Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short
comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of
their ears.
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness!
You know the bit.
Of course, it costs MONEY.
But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality!
Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY.
Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody about
our secret traditions etc.
Only comment on Approved Forums.
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That sort of thing.

wink wink
Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and
we can reach you.
So, anxiously, you Enroll!
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right???
Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like one
big family.
wink wink
Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're thinking-
well, I think I felt something- not sure though.
hmmmm.
So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good.
You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither can
the other students- but, eventually you will.
Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to move
on their own accord.
Kriyas are so cool.
Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises.
Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo.
Guru love- fabulous!
Something starts to happen though.
You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange.
WAIT!
Must be working now!
So, You do your exercise and go to sleep.
Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer want
to sleep!
oops..
You dread going to sleep.
You FEAR sleeping.
lol what?
7 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
How come?
Well, when you sleep:

You feel hands touching you.
Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being
'accessed" probed, manipulated..
Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being Tampered
with.
Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like
spirits.
Somtimes, not so human.
oops.
Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability to
move or struggle.
I hate when that happens.
Teacher Teacher, something is wrong!
Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing you.
Other students know about "this".
But No One Discusses It.
Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass
away, and then -the power will come!
Just- Attend more sessions, etc
Remember- you're still paying money for this!
oops.
Memories arise.
Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc.
Neither are the fellow students.
-What to do?
Irony:
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You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India: dissected
the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received visions, OBE:
etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial longitude,
latitudes, etc
If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of

history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel, flying
dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in Asian
graves.
Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.
Irony:
People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will
study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about this
"stuff"
These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make contact
with spirits.
But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they
laugh.
The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the Watchers,

The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time travel and
"angels breeding with humans".
These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught

magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.
9 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a

problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting
Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually as
a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ and
interacted with people who are true believers, I found myself
struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It seems
like one can get ungrounded really fast.
About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you

describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy
transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype
sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing
anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was passing
through, I practiced too much and ended up in the hospital
overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach pain I've ever
had. I woke up half in and half out of my body and I couldn't get
grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I stopped practicing for
awhile after that.
I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend

who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week.
Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may enjoy
it, lol
My Easter Gift, to all of you
10 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM

training was going.
I grew tired of it, eventually- as I just wasn't getting anywhere

with it, anymore.
Anyway, as I am searching TTB archive about Kunlun, I

noticed some people were having problems with
Kunlun.
The ones who were having problems were the

individuals who ACTUALLY HAD AN ENERGY
TRANSMISSION FROM MAX.
Just reading the book, and practicing - although, supposedly

Max put an "energy transmission in the book"- seemed,
non-problematic.
However, the individuals who had problems were
11 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
students, of Max -in real time, physical sessions

complete with Max giving them Energy Transmissions.
According to the experiences archived on TTB,

these people experienced Reptilian outbreaks.
Hauntings, and nightmares induced in the children of

Max's students.
Extraterrestrial and/or Interdimensional visitations.
Some people will scoff, laugh, troll.
Although a forum full of open minded people, who believe in

spirits, and jesus and demons- but continually mock at and
refuse to believe in Et origins.
Talk about contradictions and oxymorons.
Some teachers in Daoism will include planets,

constellations, stars, suns, celestial bodies in absorbing
and transmuting energy.
So various spirits- which is an essential part in

NeiGong, etc are incorporated in training.
Daoist magick, sorcery- is rich with understanding and

communicating with EVERY CONSCIOUS ENTITY IN
12 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
ALL THE MULTI-UNIVERSES.
If you do not believe this, I would recommend either more

study, or FIND OUT THE HARD WAY.
The HARD WAY?
Why?
Teachers, who are aligned with Lineages, have active interaction

with deceased ancestors, masters, ghosts, Immortals (5
varieties!)
Who are all these invisible entities?
Are all of them, Benevolent?
Think: Everyone you met, in your lifetime, been - ALL

GOOD BENIGN INDIVIDUALS?
Read up on some Daoist history- there were huge clan wars.
Not all ancient ancestors were wonderful spirit filled

love&light people.
Some of them were downright demonic in thir nature while

alive.
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Also understand, a living being is an energy buffet- an organic

Qi bank-
Plug in and stream that energy, download and upload -deposits

for food.
We are nothing more than circuits in a Motherboard universe.
HUNGRY GHOSTS = Sustenance, accessing pure energy, to stay

active visiting various realms.
EVERYTHING IS AN ENERGY EXCHANGE.
Once you pay a Teacher, and ask to be in the Lineage of the

group- you willingly become part of the egregore.
This is not a bad thing- not everyone has bad

experiences, obviously.
That's NOT saying, it doesn't happen, though:
If you are now part of an 8 generation dynasty of Qi masters,

maybe hundreds of deceased entities, the chances that some of
them are Malevolent is a very good though.
Vampires legends show that the victims willingly allowed the

vampire to "enter their domain, voluntarily"
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If you have had an Energy Transmission, and you find

yourself being visited while asleep, I would question
what is going on, and get some active psychic self
defense going on.
I have Warned REPEATEDLY on TheTaoBums about

allowing "just anyone" to give you an Energy
Transmission.
Ok, I will state this for the Record, One More Time-
because you just know- someone- will complain:
This DOES NOT ALWAYS HAPPEN!
But Happen, (sometimes) -It Does:
Signs, Symptoms, Scenario:
So, you are on TheTaoBums.

You read stories of people who can do incredible things
(supposedly)
Damn, I wish I could do that- you think to yourself.
Someone tells you, keep practicing and in 25 years- you too,
Maybe, can do great things.
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Wait, 25 years?
I WANT IT NOW!
Can I speed this process up?
I have other things to do, responsibilities, etc
I can't wait!
NOW!
So, now you hear this Teacher/random dude, can give you
healing, power, all through attending sessions, group meeting
etc.
"They" have books, websites, DVDs, etc.
Diplomas, Certificates, claim ancestors, lineages, many
students.
Photos of people floating around on their websites, with short
comments by students saying now they can shoot light out of
their ears.
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness!
You know the bit.
Of course, it costs MONEY.
But so what? You can't put a price tag on Immortality!
Of course, it costs A LOT of MONEY.
Maybe -sign short agreement that you won't tell anybody
about our secret traditions etc.
Only comment on Approved Forums.
That sort of thing.
wink wink
Even if you live far away, the energy is all encompassing, and
we can reach you.
So, anxiously, you Enroll!
Wow! Oozing like total awesomeness, right???
Suddenly, you now have fellow students welcoming you, like
one big family.
wink wink
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Ok, The famous Qi Transmission hits you- and you're

thinking- well, I think I felt something- not sure though.
hmmmm.
So, now your instant family reassures you, it's all good.
You still can't shoot fire and stuff, but what the hell- neither
can the other students- but, eventually you will.
Because, now- you start to feel your body parts starting to
move on their own accord.
Kriyas are so cool.
Everyday, like a faithful student, you do your given exercises.
Every night before sleep, you kiss your teacher's photo.
Guru love- fabulous!
Something starts to happen though.
You aren't sure- but feel kind of strange.
WAIT!
Must be working now!
So, You do your exercise and go to sleep.
Then, like "Nightmare on Elm Street"- you now -no longer
want to sleep!
oops..
You dread going to sleep.
You FEAR sleeping.
lol what?
How come?
Well, when you sleep:

You feel hands touching you.
Common occurances include having Eyes, Mouth, Head being
'accessed" probed, manipulated..
Where your Qi flows, MingMen, Perineum, all being
Tampered with.
Sometimes you glimpse these entities and they appear like
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spirits.
Somtimes, not so human.
oops.
Cataleptic states, your physical body, locked up, and inability
to move or struggle.
I hate when that happens.
Teacher Teacher, something is wrong!
Well, those are our secret masters, helping you and healing
you.
Other students know about "this".
But No One Discusses It.
Each one, paralysed by fear, and hoping it wil gradually pass
away, and then -the power will come!
Just- Attend more sessions, etc
Remember- you're still paying money for this!
oops.
Memories arise.
Still, you really aren't getting the promised power heaing etc.
Neither are the fellow students.
-What to do?
Irony:
You know, people will say ancient Daoists, China, India:
dissected the body, maybe took some hallucinogens, received
visions, OBE: etc,- and that is how they discovered Qi, celestial
longitude, latitudes, etc
If you do some reseach, there are also in the annals of

history, tales of the Yellow Emperor, space travel,
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flying dragons from the stars, and Aryan mummies in

Asian graves.
Extraterrestrial Visitors, exchanging knowledge.
Irony:
People will laugh & mock, but then these same individuals- will
study Wang Liping's writings- who personally knew all about
this "stuff"
These same Trolls will also study Goetia, and try to make
contact with spirits.
But tell them about Exraterrestrial visitors who teach, and they
laugh.
The Book of Enoch talks about Genesis Chapter 6 - the

Watchers, The Nephilim, giants, Annunaki, space travel, time
travel and "angels breeding with humans".
These Watchers, came down from the heavens, and taught

magick, cosmetics, farming, health, and WAR.
The good thing here, is you have a background in Magick.
This stable occult foundation comes in handy, in cases such as

this.
The new Necronomicon, by Joshua Free, is a different and
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Correct take, on the Annunaki.
We have a Reptilian section in our Brain.
Our racial DNA Primordial memories can sometimes cause that

"uneasiness" to stir.
I was very hesitant to post this thread.
I admit it: I'm one of those people. Intellectually I don't have a

problem accepting the possibility of Extraterrestrials visiting
Earth. I think it's something that I need to open up to gradually
as a felt experience within my body. Having been to Sedona, AZ
and interacted with people who are true believers, I found
myself struggling with the way all the E.T. talk makes me feel. It
seems like one can get ungrounded really fast.
About kunlun--I have experienced the exact same thing you

describe and I have even met Max. I don't think I got an energy
transmission though. Not from the book, in person or via Skype
sessions. Which is fine by me. It does seem to stop doing
anything. Although, at the end of November as ISON was
passing through, I practiced too much and ended up in the
hospital overnight with hallucinations and the worst stomach
pain I've ever had. I woke up half in and half out of my body
and I couldn't get grounded. It was like a bad acid trip. I
stopped practicing for awhile after that.
I never get accosted at night by spirits. Although my good friend
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who has practiced lots of kung-fu does almost once a week.

Everywhere he goes seems to be haunted and I think he may
enjoy it, lol
Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps
me protected.
I have always thought that human beings look like the same
species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not
based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA is
mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of pre-humans
and extraterrestrials, if you will.
Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains don't
understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly example,
perhaps but I trust you get my point.
Edited by theurgy, 20 April 2014 - 12:11 PM.
If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's Interview
_______________________
Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com

/content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)
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Guest Name:
Max Christensen
(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)
http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf
(http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episode-
new-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)
Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching me

some alien language phrases.
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I said "When am I ever going to use this?"
He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors

don't you?"
Every species, human and non-human, ALL Organic life- all of it,
has been Contributed to our Planet Earth.
We are like an experiment.

Like a biological farm.
A zoo.
A terrarium.
A science project.
This is no accident.
We are watched.
Attended to.
Some people will get it.
Most, won't.
We didn't Evolve.
We were Donated
Yes, it seems like the Work I have done thus far and daily, keeps
me protected.
I have always thought that human beings look like the same
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species but we have many different kinds of brains. This is not

based on race or anything like that. The notion here is our DNA
is mixed up such that we are all different mixtures of
pre-humans and extraterrestrials, if you will.
Ever meet someone who HATES sci-fi? It's like their brains
don't understand or want to deal with outer space. A silly
example, perhaps but I trust you get my point.
Enochian.
Sumerian.
Glossolalia
Xenoglossia.
Dude it gets way crazier than that in person. He tried teaching

me some alien language phrases.
I said "When am I ever going to use this?"
He replied: "Well you need to be able to speak to your ancestors

don't you?"
For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it,

check out the 1973 animated masterpiece
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Fantastic Planet (google it)
It compliments this thread rather nicely!
Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com/content

/headlined-guest-max-christensen) - in This Interview,
talks about accessing a STARGATE with William Henry.
William Henry:
http://www.williamhe...evelations.html
(http://www.williamhenry.net/revelations.html)
You people definitely are missing out on a big chunk of

NeiGong and YOUR LIFE
If anyone thinks I am loopy, go listen to Max's

Interview
_______________________
Headlined Guest, Max Christensen (http://www.bbsradio.com

/content/headlined-guest-max-christensen)
Guest Name:
Max Christensen
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(http://www.primordialalchemist.com)
http://www.bbsradio....h.WtClNcfG.dpuf
(http://www.bbsradio.com/content/talk-show-episode-
new-realities-april-8-2014#sthash.WtClNcfG.dpuf)
For anyone reading this thread that hasn't seen it,

check out the 1973 animated masterpiece
Fantastic Planet (google it)
26 of 29 4/30/2014 11:12 AM
It compliments this thread rather nicely!
Watch Fantastic Planet Online
IMDB Rating: 7.6/10 from 7,707 votes
Release: 1973 (http://putlocker.bz/year/1973/1) / Fantastic

Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-online-
free-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz
/genre/animation/1) | Drama (http://putlocker.bz/genre
/drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1)
Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the

faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute
human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags.
Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for
intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and
support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds
that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found
knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters...
So what role Enochian play in all of this?
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It has a decidedly alien flavor to it.
The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on

Enochian
but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out there.
Dee was searching for the lost book(s) of Enoch.
Of course we have them now.
But when Dee was looking for them, (he thought there was only
one book) and started talking to these entities, he named them
Enochian.
Enoch talks all about the Watchers, Annunaki, Nephilim.
Dee knew all about this.
So what role Enochian play in all of this?
It has a decidedly alien flavor to it.
The french alchemist Jean Dubuis apparently wrote a course on

Enochian
but then destroyed it saying it was too dangerous to put out
there.
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(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=core&
module=attach&section=attach&attach_rel_module=post&
attach_id=3265)
One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't
openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively
working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time.

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One thing is for sure, this is a topic that most Teachers don't
openly talk about. I believe that unless the student is actively
working to purify their karma, it is best left alone for a time.
If the student asks why he is being visited with nocturnal terrors

though the teacher should be honest and tell him what's up
Can be scarey lol
Aetherous Posted 20 April 2014 - 01:17 PM
Awesome post, SonOfTheGods.
I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notes-

from-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was
inspired by my life after having started Kunlun.
In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which some

call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things aren't fully
positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the other hand,
perhaps opening up to all things is good in some ways. At the very
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least, you gain experience, which for some is worth it.
"Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more." -
Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a
cool quote!)
And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc.

There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or
negative. Such it is with opening up to all things.
At least personally, I never had horrible experiences. Nightmares

aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile experience I had was
actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual the thing was. In actual
life, the hardships I had (which were many) were mostly brought
on by myself. I have progressed in character from these things.
I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all.
But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of
Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max.
Anyway, once again, great post, Son.
I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I was

a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc.
Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following

and watching, people there but not there.
It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong.
No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to handle
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whatever does happen without getting swept up in it.
I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We
live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe...
If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with

unlocking our potential?
In the Max Interview I posted, Max said his teachers told him that
only 1% of the whole world's populace ever evolves.
I didn't think it was THAT high, to be honest
Let's do the Math:
As of March 26, 2014, Earth's population was estimated to

number 7.157 billion
But:
Only 71,570,000 people evolve
Rounded off:
That's 72 million people in the whole world evolve.
California USA has a population of 33 million people
Just to get an idea of how small of an amount 72 million people is.
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1 out of every 100
Go to the Mall, maybe 2 out of everyone you see- Evolves.
Aetherous, on 20 Apr 2014 - 13:17, said:
Awesome post, SonOfTheGods.
I made this thread (http://thetaobums.com/topic/22741-notes-

from-the-dark-side-of-the-force/) back in the day, which was
inspired by my life after having started Kunlun.
In hindsight...there are paths and teachers out there which

some call "negativism". Basically meaning that these things
aren't fully positive and beneficial for the practitioner. On the
other hand, perhaps opening up to all things is good in some
ways. At the very least, you gain experience, which for some is
worth it.
"Odin gave his eye for knowledge, but I would give far more."
- Ragnar Lothbrok from the first episode of the show, Vikings (a
cool quote!)
And you could also gain self-healing, increased intuition, etc.

There are two sides to this coin...it can be positive and/or
negative. Such it is with opening up to all things.
At least personally, I never had horrible experiences.
4 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
Nightmares aren't so bad to deal with. The one reptile

experience I had was actually kind of funny, in how ineffectual
the thing was. In actual life, the hardships I had (which were
many) were mostly brought on by myself. I have progressed in
character from these things.
I've since moved onto paths that aren't negative in nature at all.
But I still have a soft spot in my heart for the mysterious path of
Kunlun, and the controversial figure of Max.
Anyway, once again, great post, Son.
Thank you brother!

I am glad all is well for you.
I used to have haunting type situations occur everyday since I

was a child. Saw people, animals, not so human things, etc.
Then it got scary. Eyes constantly watching, shadows following

and watching, people there but not there.
It has lessened a huge amount since I started training QiGong.
No nightmares or nothing. I am more...balanced, easier to

handle whatever does happen without getting swept up in it.
I think ET's exist and they probably did come here before....We
live in a strange world, in a strange part of the universe...
If we are a mix of different species, does this have to do with
5 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
unlocking our potential?
Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy Transmission?
Did a teacher ever give you -personally, an Energy

Transmission?
Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy

transmission.
...
I have never had an energy transmission from a teacher.
I have no leash, I have no master.
Ever do I run the faster.
I did feel the beatific presence of Olias gave me a blessing, but that
was not at all the same thing.
I attuned only with higher self spirit.

...
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Nope. Not as far as I know, have I ever had an energy

transmission.
Awesome.
That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the
visitations Halted.
A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.
I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed when

they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New Realities
Radio.
Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely

disenchanted with his interview.
How do I know?
Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not

believe in Stargates, Aliens etc
I personally know, because I have argued with some of them about

this stuff in PMs and in Emails.
Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he says

on this latest Interview.
William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David
7 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
Wilcock
Yes, this is the New Age crowd.
David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian

doctrines.
http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/)
http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)
http://thetaobums.co...up-poll/page-33 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page-33)
Trunk, on 25 Jul 2009 - 10:20, said:
People ask if anyone got hurt, or assert that no one got hurt.
Again, I'm rather astonished. If you read the links
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=131165) , you'd know that...
There was a situation where negative reptilian entities were

harassing Yoda and those in his home, including children - and
stubbornly wouldn't go away... Yoda had to find extraordinary
outside help to get the entities to leave - and it took a while.
8 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
And, he said that he had talked to "more than a dozen"

kunluners who had problems with negative entities - at least one
other had the problem of entities bothering others in the
household. Isn't that enough?!?! to define "harm"?!?!
Jeez!, who are you people?!?
So, we know that there is a trend in the KL school that this sort
of thing happens. Let's look towards the future. What about
parents that took, will take, KL seminars after this trend became
known? If I were a father and I took a seminar and later my kids
started having "reptile trouble" and I found out that it was a
known trend in the KL school and no one warned me
before-hand?!?! What if a parent (seminar participant) had a
child at home with emotional/developmental troubles? What if
a parent had an infant, too young to talk, in the house? ... or if a
wife in pregnancy? What sort of minds disregard thinking
through these simple predictable situations?... and deflect,
diminish their significance?
Trunk, on 22 Jul 2009 - 13:49, said:
Thread Summary
At 25 pgs, this thread is way too long for noobs easy reference.
But it's also a really important part of the KL puzzle and so
(below) I'm listing a linked summary of important posts in this
thread... a quick Cliff-notes through the prism of how I see this
thread. Worth bookmarking, imo, so that noobs can get this part
of the puzzle - that is not at all obvious in the beginning.
Summary Posts: #90 (http://www.thetaobums.com

/index.php?showtopic=9592&st=80&p=115114&#entry115114) ,
#107 (http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?s=&
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=115181) , #118
9 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
(http://www.thetaobums.com/index.php?showtopic=9592&
st=360&p=116074&#entry116074) , #367
showtopic=9592&view=findpost&p=132443) .
http://thetaobums.co...-32#entry131165 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/9592-kunlun-follow-up-poll/page-32#entry131165)
10 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
Awesome.
That could be the reason, that- when you started NeiGong- the
visitations Halted.
A bad energy transmission may have exasperated it.
Im super glad they did...I could barely sleep for 10 years.

Constantly terrified. No mas.
I know a lot of people are going to be severely disappointed

when they hear the latest Max Christenson Interview on New
Realities Radio.
Many of his students and supporters are going to be severely

disenchanted with his interview.
How do I know?
Many of his students and his supporters, on TaoBums, do not

believe in Stargates, Aliens etc
I personally know, because I have argued with some of them

about this stuff in PMs and in Emails.
Max Christenson visited the StarGate with William Henry, he

says on this latest Interview.
11 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
William Henry also hangs around with David Icke and David
Wilcock
Yes, this is the New Age crowd.
David Icke and David Wilcock, both, believe the Reptilian

doctrines.
http://divinecosmos.com/ (http://divinecosmos.com/)
http://www.davidicke.com/ (http://www.davidicke.com/)
David Wilcock used to be a solid resource....then the whole ben

fulford thing started and now...I question his integrity/ validity.
David Icke as well.
I think they may very well be correct in many of their ideas. I think
they were gotten to/ changed and so I do not give their
information much credence any longer.
Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is based
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in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains powers

from them?
Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet?
If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not the

kind I would want anywhere near me...
Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings.

Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with
because of my past.
Are you saying that the Kunlun school of Max Christensen is

based in ET/ subtle dimensional beings and channels/ gains
powers from them?
Thereby opening you up to them like a full course buffet?
If so...thats terrifying! Especially because it seems they are not

the kind I would want anywhere near me...
Now, I do not have a problem with spirit work/ different beings.

Im extremely picky as to the kind of spirit I would work with
because of my past.
All those links I posted are from TaoBums.
People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk,

share info on that.
13 of 16 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
There's other teachers too- who are passing off students

to abduction like scenarios
Intentionally or not
All those links I posted are from TaoBums.
People from this forum, including the TaoBums owner Trunk,

share info on that.
There's other teachers too- who are passing off

students to abduction like scenarios
Intentionally or not
Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/

teachings...not when it is malevolent.
thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im

gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers
responsibility.
Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not actually
making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and wisdom in
that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what can connect/
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attach. If not, then its buffet grande.
Damn. Im all for spirits/ immortals/ et's sharing knowledge/

teachings...not when it is malevolent.
thats a huge problem. Whether or not its intentional- hey kid im

gonna open you up for spirit buffet- or not, its is the teachers
responsibility.
Sure, if the system opens you up to that world and its not
actually making you a buffet, thats different. Great power and
wisdom in that. IF you know how to integrate and filter what
can connect/ attach. If not, then its buffet grande.
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What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening up

experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
gradually and safely?
What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening

up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
That is a great question!
How to do it...with a modest level of safety or certainty that we

wont get lost?
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with it, anymore.
...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your

initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and
brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being a
practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all the
wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress."
Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an

E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually opening
one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?
thelerner Posted 20 April 2014 - 04:59 PM
Watch Fantastic Planet Online
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Planet (http://putlocker.bz/watch-fantastic-planet-online-
free-putlocker.html) Genre: Animation (http://putlocker.bz
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/drama/1) | Sci-Fi (http://putlocker.bz/genre/sci-fi/1)

Synopsis: Slaves and masters dominate the narrative of the
faraway world of Ygam. Set around the lifespan of Ter, a minute
human shaped Om slave, and pet, of the giant blue alien Draags.
Escaping into the wilderness and with a devise used for
intellectual advancement of the Draags, Ter finds refuge and
support from fellow Om's and using the learning tool, he finds
that knowledge is power and then sets to use the new found
knowledge to revolt against the Draag masters...
Saw it many years ago. Very dark.
For sure not all spirits are benign or benevolent.

Like attracts like maybe, sometimes.
If we set an intention for the best then, by and large that's what we
tend to get.
A guide ( your 'holy guardian angel' maybe) is useful and I'd not
be without mine albeit sometimes she can be a bit of an old nag.
I've no experience of transmission as such , our path reckons that
everyone starts out psychic and in tune with spirits.
We've all seen babies 'talking to' folks that no one else in the room
can see.
But then most people get that 'gift' laughed and reasoned out of
them as they grow up and it gets sidelined into dreaming or goes
completely.
On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about
annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the
experiences they describe and the entities they give names to,
seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday
experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted.
There's a commonality to narrative.
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Maybe we are all describing the same things but filtering our
experiences of those things through the mindset and/ or labels of
our own particular path.
A while ago we had a Bon Shaman a Tibetan guy from India visit
our centre and he was as at home with us as we were with him.
He enjoyed the tea and cakes too.
If anyone is troubled by entities and suspect that unwelcome
entities might have somehow attached themselves to the sufferers
'psyche' ( for want of a better word)...
Being 'bugged' by 'boogies' as it were then there are two definitely
useful routes to explore.
1: Talk it through with a trusted friend or teacher.
2: Meditate with intention for only the highest and the best and let
anything less than that 'go'. As one does with nuisance thoughts in
meditation.
Observe them and gently return to one's breathing.
If the welcome mat isn't out then unwanted 'guests' won't stick
around for long.
Whatever we 'feeds' - breeds, for good or ill.
It's always our call, nobody else's.
Hope that helps.
:-)
Edited by GrandmasterP, 20 April 2014 - 05:20 PM.

training was going.
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with it, anymore.
LOL
KenBrace, on 20 Apr 2014 - 17:38, said:
LOL
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That was....odd.
See, its that kind of thing that gives these arts a bad reputation.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may not
be. It certainly does not look legit.
It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos just
dont cut it.
That was....odd.
Sure, they may be legitimate in what is going on there....It may
not be. It certainly does not look legit.
It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it,
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videos just dont cut it.
That's exactly what it is, dramatic and completely fake. What get's
me is that these people actually think they look convincing lol.
+1
There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines.
'Never say never', say I.
BUT
It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are being
tossed around.
One would really need to be there and directly experience
whatever was on offer.
That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some extent

and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes.
What can we say is an alternative approach/practice to opening

up experiences and knowledge of these beings and dimensions
Personally, I would NEVER receive an energy transmission from

anyone
7 of 11 4/30/2014 11:13 AM
...I was also thinking that this may be BECAUSE of your

initiations in the Western Mystery Tradition. My friend and
brother magician also got nowhere with kunlun. Perhaps being
a practicing magician is a control valve that prevents/blocks all
the wacky vampirism that people mistake for "progress."
Another important question: is one's Holy Guardian Angel an

E.T.- like entity that acts as a "variable control" gradually
opening one up to multi-dimensional experiences and energies?
Crowley, LAM, the EGG, and the ET equation.
Mathers had a severe asthmatic reaction to ET visitors.
Kenneth Grant loves to discuss ETS.
Necronomicon is chock full of them.
I could make 10 threads on just this question lol
+1
There's a lot of 'Push Hands' youtube clips along similar lines.
'Never say never', say I.
BUT
It generally seems to be the teacher's own students who are
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being tossed around.

One would really need to be there and directly experience
whatever was on offer.
That clip posted above does seem to be 'advertising' to some

extent and adverts do tend to overstate the case sometimes.
I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say
"rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but
videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20 ft
away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by
skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most
retarded excuses ever.
LOL
*LOOKS FOR THE AMAZING JAMES RHANDI AWARD JPEG.*
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lol
On another forum I visit there are lots of posters who talk about
annunakis ( Sp?) and extra terrestrials and all sorts but the
experiences they describe and the entities they give names to,
seem to me; to be none different to the sorts of everyday
experiences that spiritualists tend to take for granted.
There's some strange forums out there!
òh wait..
That was....odd.
It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos
just dont cut it.
Max has a lot of followers students and supporters on TaoBums
I'm almost certain someone would love to Interview Max on
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TaoBums
I think in the case of videos like the above you can safely say
"rubish". Some demos are borderline and need looking into, but
videos where people (always students) get thrown back from 20
ft away are obviously fake. Every time these guys get tested by
skeptics they always fail and usually come up with the most
retarded excuses ever.
Indeed.

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Indeed.
All respect to each and every teacher.

http://m.youtube.com...h?v=3CGMWlXosp4
(http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3CGMWlXosp4)

AHH, MASTER KEN!!!
He is super great, grand master of machismo.
Pure awesomeness! haha
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Thanks SoG.
I can only post links using this cruddy tablet.
Seriously though, I do think we can learn from ALL teachers, even
Master Ken.
Maybe, sometimes not exactly the lesson that the teacher planned.
One of the very best teachers I ever had was lazy, always late to
class, generally disinterested and never ever properly prepared.
I learnt from her example what NOT to do.
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That was....odd.
It looks dramatic and fake. This is why you must feel it, videos
just dont cut it.
I have been in the room with Max and witnessed this stuff
happening...I'm still on the fence about whether it was "real" or
not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure. But
I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There was a
thread on here from awhile back where people were discussing
how Max used to be like a completely different person in years
past. One advanced practitioner--Vajrasattva--even said "the new
Max is from K-PAX."
Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY

knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial
arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the amount
of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about himself
and his far out experiences.
not.
3 of 11 4/30/2014 11:14 AM
Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either that
means the form of energy work itself was fake and people were all
just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I wasn't open
enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much clinging-
mind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least when it comes
to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.
Same. Stuff was tried on me, but it didn't really work. Either
that means the form of energy work itself was fake and people
were all just buying into it and tricking themselves...or that I
wasn't open enough (maybe too strong a sense of self/too much
clinging-mind). Truthfully, I'm on the fence as well, at least
when it comes to the whole making-people-move-weird thing.
If you need to "let go" or have a "weak mind/ self" for their
manipulation to work...then it is nothing special.
Now, if it works no matter how much you resist, like a blast of

wind from a hurricane, just pure force...Thats awe-some.
4 of 11 4/30/2014 11:14 AM

Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so

long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists.
Basic Buddhism there.
It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving into
hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control of your
every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed and open
states of being and have that be your natural mode of living, then
that sense of control and focus could stop such a method from
working.
Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of

phenomenon. Totally on the fence.
Well, think about it this way...you can't have enlightenment so

long as this clinging mind and experiential concept of self exists.
Basic Buddhism there.
It's not that I was saying you'd need a weak self (as in giving
into hypnosis)...but that if you have always lived in full control
of your every action, and haven't spent a ton of time in relaxed
and open states of being and have that be your natural mode of
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living, then that sense of control and focus could stop such a
method from working.
Or on the other hand, it was a mass hypnosis/hysteria kind of

phenomenon. Totally on the fence.
I understand.
I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a
receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when
they are out of it...
Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then

actual force/ power.
Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height of
heights...does not seem worth going for.

As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't

really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a
getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5
minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have
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chinese food?"
In other words, it leaves you hungry.

I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a real
chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't care
what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve, what
state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block off!
LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by

"masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics...
(Start at 5:20)
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I totally agree. People some up with the lamest excuses. Imo a

real chi demonstration is like grabbing an electric fence. I don't
care what position your body is in, how much you disbelieve,
what state your mind is in, etc. it's going to knock your block
off!
LOL! Here's a prime example of the retarded excuses given by

"masters" that have been shown to be frauds by skeptics...
(Start at 5:20)
8 of 11 4/30/2014 11:14 AM
Dude, you should see MY half-moons!
Dude, you should see MY half-moons!
...Plus!
...Plus!
He had his big toe up! Cant knock him down with his big toe
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up....just cant..
up....just cant..
He had his tongue in the wrong position as well...
He had his tongue in the wrong position as well...
Everything was wrong to do our kamehameha qi ball blast special

ultimate technique on this guy!!
Just everything....(shakes head in sorrow)

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The real deal is nothing like these guys. No need to believe or wait
so long to build it up. No swaying and then kinda falling.
This is all very pentecostal church-ey. Cultish, even.
It saddens me that this is what people think real Qi work is

about...
Real Internal Martial Power, is the real deal. It was not made for
these shows, it was made for combat, for war, for killing and self
defense.
We as practitioners need to have higher goals, not to settle for

these....unimpressive abilities. We need real, true, abilities and
skills.
Once again I must emphasize that cultivating virtue is mission

critical. To chase these kinds of powers without first getting over
one's childish tendencies and baggage is to invite eventual
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disaster. As we progress along the Path, certain abilities will

manifest. But how can one even know how to use such powers if
one doesn't know one's Self? That's like people with an
impoverished mentality who win the lottery. All their lives they
thought "if I just had money, everything would be different." Then
they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right? Wrong. They
haven't changed internally so the money is just a means for them
to remain the same whilst being able to buy some more things. Big
deal. What's more many of these people end up squandering their
winnings and ending up right back where they started.
This is the same as expecting to have some kind of multi-million

dollar "chi bank account" so you can demonstrate to others how
advanced you are. If you simply get over the need to impress
others, you save yourself quite a substantial amount of time.
In ancient times, it was asked of the candidate what they wanted

from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which they
were asked why? The response sought was short and direct for
which no substitute would be accepted,
“I wish to know in order to Serve.”
Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all
"Why do you wish to know?

"Who or what do you wish to Serve?"
Edited by theurgy, 21 April 2014 - 12:06 AM.
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thought "if I just had money, everything would be different."
Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right?
Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a
means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy
some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people
end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back
where they started.


from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which
they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct
for which no substitute would be accepted,
Then the candidate would ask the hardest questions of all

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I agree. You must develop your Self first. As you say, a million
dollars will do little for one who is poor inside.
Power and abilities/ skills are only as useful as you are.
We must grow, develop, evolve....
Hmm, those are good questions, theurgy.
I will ponder my own answers to them..
Same here.
I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff.
The more OUT of the box, the better for me.
When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat

earth".
Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force

people out of their box- and STOP buying everything
CONTROLLED science and history sells.
For all we know, we live in a fish bowl.
Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling.
There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a

certain Mainstream agenda.
I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now
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not. For the record, I do like Max. He's one of a kind for sure.
But I also fear he isn't always the one "behind the wheel." There
was a thread on here from awhile back where people were
discussing how Max used to be like a completely different
person in years past. One advanced practitioner--
Vajrasattva--even said "the new Max is from K-PAX."
Now I'm not trying to discredit Max in any way. He is VERY

knowledgeable on a variety of cultivation methods and martial
arts. It seems to me that he doesn't spend a fraction of the
amount of time talking about cultivating virtue as he does about
himself and his far out experiences.
There's a 'mainstream agenda'?

Here!
On TTB?
(((( reaches for smelling salts))))
One time back when I started out on here there was a weird mod.
Seriously cannot remember her name.
Musta blanked it out.
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She was all over me like a personal stalker.

I spent more time on the subs bench suspended than ever I did
posting.
She gone.
(((( Yay))))
:-)
DW is the place to get flamed for posting anything 'heretical'.
TTB is so much better these days than once it was.
Only found one 'fundie' so far and he's not too persistent.

About 12 years ago, my ex-motherinlaw, found out, this.
Once she came to visit and had a bad headache.
She complained about it the WHOLE VISIT.
Finally I said I could "heal it"
So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind her
head/occipital area.
She had a simple stress headache- probably due to my presence.
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Anyway, the headache simply vanished.
Of course, it was "merely a coincidence" that I healed her.
I was okay with her disbelief.
Then she started going on and on that I should have went to school
to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.
I explained to her that the abilities I possess have nothing to do

with modern medicine.
To this she scoffed
I told her about Qi, and she was smug
"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies where

the chinese guys fly around
pure rubbish"- she says
IT'S ON!
So, I said- go stand across the room, a few inches away from
that wall, over there.
So she goes and stands there.
I point my hands at her- palms to her
And let it go!
She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and forth
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back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down, stumbling
towards her chair.
Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least you
should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the devil"
I understand.
I feel that even if you can influence a person when they are in a
receptive state, such as you are describing, but you cannot when
they are out of it...
Then its more of a influence, nudge, hypnosis type thing, then

actual force/ power.
Even if its a real ability, its not much of one. IF thats the height
of heights...does not seem worth going for.
Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who can't
feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
As one Teacher put it Shaktipats and energy transmissions don't

really last long and they're not really effective anyway. After a
getting blasted: "woah that's cool, I'm so high now"...and 5
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minutes later..."what do you want to do? Do you want to go have

chinese food?"
In other words, it leaves you hungry.
Exactly- that's why I disagree with some schools where the teacher
must give you an energy transmission in order for their new
chikung methods to work.
up....just cant..
Jim McMillan called this guy out, in his book- but didn't mention
his name.
Wrote about the toe up fiasco lol

thought "if I just had money, everything would be different."
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Then they hit the big winner and it's smooth sailing, right?
Wrong. They haven't changed internally so the money is just a
means for them to remain the same whilst being able to buy
some more things. Big deal. What's more many of these people
end up squandering their winnings and ending up right back
where they started.


from the Mysteries, many replied, “I wish to know” to which
they were asked why? The response sought was short and direct
for which no substitute would be accepted,
Then the candidate would be asked the hardest questions of all

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Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle

Ben???) in these kinds of discussions.
To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that
Bloodstone (in raw form)
is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay.
As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.
Plus you do not want to be the ONLY guy in the room who
can't feel this display of awesome powerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:
Quote
That said, the beauty of a competent system (like kunlun), is

that after a certain point, your own awareness has developed to
such a degree that you can receive perfect practices directly
from Highest Divine Spirits and Ancestors (or demons, if that's
your thing). Kunlun gives you the opportunity to truly follow
your own path.
Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry
results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is because
of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS our toes
are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the kunlun
egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)
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Exactly. I always think of that line from spiderman (was it uncle

Ben???) in these kinds of discussions.
To get back on the topic at hand, I have found in practice that
Bloodstone (in raw form)
is great for keeping "things that go bump in the night" at bay.
As is doing some kind of daily purification ritual.
What is a bloodstone?
Yes, back on topic time, hehe.
If you watch a scary movie, then start to see/ hear/ experience the
visitations, did you open the door? If so, how do you close it?
I sort of feel this way when I read accounts of kunlun like this:
Again, I'm not sure why people like you and I got fairly paltry
results compared to someone like this. Perhaps it really is
because of our magical practices or we are too scholarly or PLUS
our toes are sometimes up and that is not playful enough for the
kunlun egregore. PLUS...(fill in the blank)
Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your
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system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with

kunlun?
Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way, if
you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit....
Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things into
the mix.
So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both

would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get
anywhere with it.
Same here.
I like Max- I dig all far out fringe stuff.
The more OUT of the box, the better for me.
When I first started posting on TaoBums, I posted about a "flat

earth".
Of course I didn't believe in that- but I wanted to force

people out of their box- and STOP buying everything
CONTROLLED science and history sells.
For all we know, we live in a fish bowl.
Of course my posts were misconstrued as Trolling.
13 of 18 4/30/2014 11:15 AM
There are some people on TaoBums that deliberately push a

certain Mainstream agenda.
I'm surprised they haven't showed up on this thread, by now
I enjoyed your posts like the flat earth one. Until I experience
something, I keep it open to much doubt. Even when I do
experience it, I acknowledge how little I experience of what is truly
there and how easy it is to manipulate the senses.
Some people often take pointing out views/ ideas that are so wild
to them, as trolling. Its absurd to them.
Like Qi is to some particle scientists.
History is written by the conquerors and winners...the agenda

they want is the one they most often get.
So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind

her head/occipital area.
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Then she started going on and on that I should have went to

school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.

To this she scoffed
"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies

where the chinese guys fly around
IT'S ON!
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And let it go!
She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and
forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down,
stumbling towards her chair.
Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least
you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the
devil"
So I put my hand on her forehead and the other hand behind

her head/occipital area.
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Then she started going on and on that I should have went to

school to become a real doctor, rather than a witch doctor.

To this she scoffed
"Oh you mean like in those stoooooooopid karate movies

where the chinese guys fly around
IT'S ON!
And let it go!
She was rocking and bouncing her butt off the wall, back and
forth back and forth- then finally she conceded and sat down,
stumbling towards her chair.
Not missing having the last word- she told me: "well at least
you should be rolling in money, if you sold your soul to the
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devil"
HAHAH!
Good lawd....Yes, you sold your soul to the devil. He prefers to be

called Satin the Defier. He does not pay taxes.
Is this why she is your ex mother in law? Too much qi battery?

heh
Thats the kind of thing we need to shoot for. To heal, to affect...to

transform our selves.
Not like the millman guy.

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http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral))
Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it will

help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and determination.
When empowered it will send demons and ghosts running in the
opposite direction of the wearer. Legend has it that these entities
fear the stone for its mysterious power.
Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have your

system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with
kunlun?
Quote
Say, if you do Wild Goose by itself, you will cultivate in one way,
if you add in YinGongJIn, it changes it a bit....
Its a good change, for sure. It just adds some different things
into the mix.
So say kunlun needs someone who is not so...different. You both
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would have had to wash the plate clean, so to speak, to get

anywhere with it.
Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without

saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our respective
lineages may not be on the same page.
http://en.wikipedia....trope_(mineral) (http://en.wikipedia.org
/wiki/Heliotrope_(mineral))
Bloodstone has a strongly Mars/Fire energy to it. On its own it

will help you resonate with courage, fearlessness and
determination. When empowered it will send demons and
ghosts running in the opposite direction of the wearer. Legend
has it that these entities fear the stone for its mysterious power.
Maybe your previous experiences in cultivation already have

your system cultivated in a certain way that does not mesh with
kunlun?
Great post. This is something I have been hinting at without

saying outright. Suffice it to say that the entities in our
respective lineages may not be on the same page.
Hmm...Is the bloodstone you are talking about the mineral or an

alchemical/ internal/ magickal thing?
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Hmmm....I can see how there would be problems if entities/

spirits clash. I wonder if one is not benevolent and one is, what
would happen? Nothing? Or some sort of negative reaction?
Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered

magically.
You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of
inner alchemical bloodstone.
This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has no
need for external tools.
Bloodstone is a form of Chalcedony that may be empowered

magically.
You are correct in your intuition that one may cultivate a kind of
inner alchemical bloodstone.
This would occur at advanced stages on the Path when one has
no need for external tools.
Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool!
It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not.
I will get one....
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...
Totems are a tool to be used.
They are not essential.

...
Gotcha. So it is both. thats pretty cool!
It sounds like a very powerful type of stone, internal or not.
I will get one....
Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal.

Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit.
Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the results.
...
Totems are a tool to be used.
They are not essential.
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...
It is easy to make the tool the thing, forgetting the real thing.....
Purchasing it on a tuesday (Mars) would be ideal.

Also make sure it is raw and unpolished for maximum benefit.
Failing these, just get one and carry it on you and note the
results.
Oh, thanks, Theurgy!
I will try and get it on a tuesday, raw and unpolished should be

doable.
I shall carry it with me always.....See if it does good things with

me.
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...
The only possible "alien" experience I ever had was a "dream" I
had when about five years old.
A silver saucer landed on my lawn.
Some silver men got out, I shouted at them to leave and they did
so.
I had another curious dream where I went deep underground and

met a great lord wearing a golden winged helm.
He spoke to me, but of what I do not recall.
My encounter with higher self archetype/hga etc I do not consider

to have any connection with ghosts or aliens or djinn or demons.
Maybe it my Daemon.
That is an inspiring genius.
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A Genie US.
Rub the bottle.
xxx
...
it's like the Cinnabar
multiarms Posted 23 April 2014 - 04:58 PM
I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have met
with Max many times, and have done all the practices commonly
discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian stuff, bagua,
kan&li, various standing forms, etc).
My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession" is

that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class "there is
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only one of us here." (although you may miss this little gem,
because he talks nonstop with long digressions and hyperbolic
anecdotes)
At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank about
the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny Lamb
who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He explained
that whatever you see or feel or experience during or as a result of
kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is all of reality.
You may see weird things or scary things sometimes, but there is
no danger that a demon or lizard is going to materialize for real
and eat you, just as there is no chance that Max will physically
transform into a golden dragon and fly around the room.
Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there is

a transmission involved, and has even said at times that
transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am going
to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times and if it
happens you will know it.
Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and
theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who cares?
It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to follow a
doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time can tell you
that Max is constantly changing. He changes his appearance, gains
and loses weight, relocates his home frequently, and changes the
practices around. He'll tell you to NEVER do something and then
later whispers in your ear to do exactly that thing. Kunlun is a
very creative technique, unique to each individual practitioner...
the whole point of the forms is to move into formlessness,
spontaneity, self-discovery, and self-transformation.
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multiarms, on 23 Apr 2014 - 16:58, said:
I've been involved with kunlun for a few years now, and have
met with Max many times, and have done all the practices
commonly discussed on TTB plus a few more (the Egyptian
stuff, bagua, kan&li, various standing forms, etc).
My perspective on the old stories of "haunting" or "possession"

is that there is no danger. As Max will tell you at every class
"there is only one of us here." (although you may miss this little
gem, because he talks nonstop with long digressions and
hyperbolic anecdotes)
At his most recent seminar, someone asked him point blank

about the danger of "entities," referring implicitly to Sifu Jenny
Lamb who offers to perform entity removal (aka exorcism). He
explained that whatever you see or feel or experience during or
as a result of kunlun practices is all part of your own mind, as is
all of reality. You may see weird things or scary things
sometimes, but there is no danger that a demon or lizard is
going to materialize for real and eat you, just as there is no
chance that Max will physically transform into a golden dragon
and fly around the room.
Regarding transmission - recently he rarely mentions that there

is a transmission involved, and has even said at times that
transmission is not necessary. He will not announce "I am
going to give you transmission now," but he does do it at times
and if it happens you will know it.
Regarding ETs - Yeah Max is out there with his stories and
theories of aliens, ancestors, ghosts, etc. Believe or not, who
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cares? It's not a religion with scriptures where you have to

follow a doctrine. Anyone who's done it for any amount of time
can tell you that Max is constantly changing. He changes his
appearance, gains and loses weight, relocates his home
frequently, and changes the practices around. He'll tell you to
NEVER do something and then later whispers in your ear to do
exactly that thing. Kunlun is a very creative technique, unique
to each individual practitioner... the whole point of the forms is
to move into formlessness, spontaneity, self-discovery, and
self-transformation.
Thank you for sharing your experiences, Multiarms!
Its good to hear from all sides.
In your experience, the entities and such are not a part of the
system, they are expressions of the mind?
I dont consider max's beliefs or ideas about ET's to be strange...Its

strange to think that sentient life does NOT exist outside of earth!
What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun

system?
10 of 14 4/30/2014 11:15 AM
What benefits have you experienced from training in the kunlun

system?
I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages with
full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally I've
sensed or felt as if there were presences or something around me,
sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit threatening or
scary. Usually this happens at home in my darkened shrine room
area, not so much outside in nature. When this stuff happens I
just focus on that blissful radiance in the middle field, and try to
laugh at the funny stuff that comes up when you let your mind and
body go. There's no harm in making it into a story like "oh my
ancestors are here to help me" or "whoa watch out, unfriendly
spirits are about today." But ultimately it's all my own stuff
expressing itself, IMHO. This storytelling aspect of the practice is
cool with me, it's part of the mythopoetic tradition of mankind
(especially shamanic traditions).
My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more

natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in
general; and improved sex life
I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to

get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and lack
of mobility in the body.
And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was

able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening.
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My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I

figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about
stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job and
move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life. I've
also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other bums
from this forum.
I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in

person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the
efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT
anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way
and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful
bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun.
The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me
speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls one
finds trolling about!
Do you do the other exercise's Max has?
Red Phoenix, his astral travel work, etc?
Or is all this solely attributed to Kunlun- magnetic YinGong like

Jenny lamb shows
Chris Matsuo has some stuff like Red Phoenix
too much in the head area for me though
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You have to run the whole gamut of Qi streams, not just in one
location/3rd eye-- IMO///IME
that's like doing sit ups to get rid of the belly-fat in just that one
area
spot reduction don't work
you have to train the WHOLE BODY, diet etc
I've gone thru stages where "nothings happening" and stages

with full blown energy explosions and releases... Occasionally
I've sensed or felt as if there were presences or something
around me, sometimes helpful or friendly, sometimes a bit
threatening or scary. Usually this happens at home in my
darkened shrine room area, not so much outside in nature.
When this stuff happens I just focus on that blissful radiance in
the middle field, and try to laugh at the funny stuff that comes
up when you let your mind and body go. There's no harm in
making it into a story like "oh my ancestors are here to help me"
or "whoa watch out, unfriendly spirits are about today." But
ultimately it's all my own stuff expressing itself, IMHO. This
storytelling aspect of the practice is cool with me, it's part of the
mythopoetic tradition of mankind (especially shamanic
traditions).
My benefits from kunlun have included improved health; more

natural diet; feeling happier, calmer and more energetic in
general; and improved sex life
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I pretty much healed myself of chronic back pain that I used to

get, which I think was due to stress, repressed emotions, and
lack of mobility in the body.
And most importantly it opened me up spiritually so that I was

able to see my true nature, and enjoy awakening.
My whole life changed in the worldly sense as well, because I

figured out what was really important, stopped worrying about
stupid shit, and found the courage to quit an unsatisfying job
and move thousands of miles away to start a new and better life.
I've also met a lot of really cool friends, including several other
bums from this forum.

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I can vouch for the fact that Multiarms is a way-cool dude in

person! Just to be clear, even though I have questioned the
efficacy of kunlun--for certain individuals--I am NOT
anti-Kunlun--far from it. It has improved my life in its own way
and I am not myopic to the fact that some of the most insightful
bums on this forum have been opened up spiritually by kunlun.
The way these individuals conduct themselves on TTB to me
speaks volumes compared to some of the neurotic tether-balls
one finds trolling about!
I agree.
I like Max.
I like the fringe, "out-there" stuff
the more, the better
We are all pre-aligned to our paths
1 works for someone, that 1 doesn't work for everyone
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if it isn't broken, don't fix it- is what I say lol
I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system:
1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms

2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to
Jenny Lamb's thing
3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order)
4. Maoshan golden flower.
In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and kunlun
level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few years
now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes 15-20
minutes before it's time to "close down".
Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not often,

2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That shit works.
Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing
around with it.
I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There

are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as the
"traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun practice. I
learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but it was not
for me so I never did it on my own outside of the workshop.
2 of 6 4/30/2014 11:16 AM
I do all the "core" practices of the KUNLUN system:
1. standing - I Jong, 5 elements, and other forms

2. the formless practice (aka "kunlun level 1") which is similar to
Jenny Lamb's thing
3. Red phoenix suite (there are several levels done in order)
4. Maoshan golden flower.
In terms of time, I've spent the most time on standing and

kunlun level 1, since those are the most fundamental. After a few
years now, I can activate the kunlun at will, so it only takes
15-20 minutes before it's time to "close down".
Red phoenix I usually do in a separate session by itself. Not

often, 2-3 times a week at most. A little goes a long way. That
shit works.
Golden flower - I still haven't cracked the code but I'm playing
around with it.
I also do baguazhang which I learned (in part) from Max. There

are plenty of other practices which I do less frequently, such as
the "traveling hands" (astral projection thing) and Red Sun
practice. I learned some of Max's Egyptian practices as well, but
it was not for me so I never did it on my own outside of the
workshop.
when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though it
breathes on it's on accord.
awesome stuff
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when holding your breathe, the middle Tan Tien feels as though
it breathes on it's on accord.
awesome stuff
Huh....
I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this.
It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing

when doing a full retention!
It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with

awareness of the breath pulse.
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I would certainly insist that any "entities" that I may have

"encountered" were entirely constructs of my own mind.
Just dreams, a figment of the mind's eye.
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But such symbols make good fodder for poetry.
xxx
...
Huh....
I never noticed what I was feeling with clarity until I read this.
It does feel like the middle TanTien/ Solar Plexus is breathing

when doing a full retention!
It is also easier to stay relaxed and comfy in the retention with

awareness of the breath pulse.
Max's Red Sun is useful for this

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Sometimes, I am just asking for Trouble
The catalyst is coming! etc etc etc
Woo!
The beginning is nigh, the end is close....
The catalyst is coming!!
Woo!
The beginning is nigh, the end is close....
The catalyst is coming!!
all hell, shall break forth
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it is prophecied
in- our book of daobums
Yeah!
all hell, shall break forth
it is prophecied
in- our book of daobums
The book of the daobums...Older then old. Written on paper made

from a 100,100 year old branch of the World Tree....
Written in the blood of Golden Dragons reverently sacrificed in a

holy ritual of their Ancient GoD.
The book of the daobums.
It is written.
It shall pass.
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let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets
created
let me know when this thread gets deleted and the real one gets
created
lol ok so it begins:
Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected to

Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)
Which means ALL current physical incarnations have ceased.
This is to say that all physical time lines have negated their time
locks.
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The individual is no longer bound to subserviently incarnate -

against their conscious Will.
Time is not linear.

Goes forward back and side to side.
We have multiple simutaneous lifetimes all happening now.
For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all levels
of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to
Transcend ALL time lines.
If an individual starts to approach their Immortal zone, i.e.,

"getting close" that means all their other bodies on all other time
lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close to
completion.
The Tan Tiens exist outside of time.
It is quantumly feasible to start to connect all non-Immortal Tan

Tiens in one Hyper-Stream
A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant Tan

Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.
Example:
I exist on 5 timelines
I start to communicate with each of myself(s) via dream yoga.
I am married on all 5 layers- yet my wife and I always look
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different in dreams. (This is currently happening to me)
This is due to visiting myself in either present past or near

future(s)
Once I can see or feel, and have my resting sentient point of

reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst) to
reach out.
My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as long

as we do not breach quantum laws
In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other- to

aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.
We start to line up, and Self-Shaktipat each zone.
One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes:
If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other "ones"
can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate
transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel
i.e., "One of us already made it"
Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected

to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)
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locks.

Time is not linear.

For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all

levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to

lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close
to completion.

A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant

Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.
Example:
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future(s)

reference in the 3D world- I formulate this yearning (Catalyst)
to reach out.
My other existing selves will/should respond accordingly as

long as we do not breach quantum laws
In essence we are sending Quantum Transference to each other-

to aid and consummate what the rest of ourself(s) are lacking.
Immortal means he/she transcended and is no longer subjected

to Forced/Involuntary Induced Incarnations to the 3D world(s)
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locks.

Time is not linear.

For an (lowest level) IMMORTAL, this must mean that all

levels of evolutionary cultivation has been finalized- in order to

lines must have either completed them, or are also getting close
to completion.

A Tesseract construct interacts the same way 2 independant

Tan Tiens can co-exist side by side outside of time and space.
Example:
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future(s)

to reach out.


The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome?
The rest I follow well enough.
Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is

lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines
Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.
If my other slef is nearing immortality in any point in their

life(meaniing that they don;t need to exist in the same time one
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could be in the future, another in the past and so on),
What you are saying is that I and I and other I can go help each
other.
But it need that them nearing immortality?
And how to formulate the yearning or catalyst to reach out?
One step further- as far as the Immortal Zone goes:
If one of our selves has already reached I.Z.- then the other
"ones" can seek guidance via Alpha level- from that discarnate
transcended self- Holy Guardian Angel
i.e., "One of us already made it"
How do the I who is typing right now know, that it is also I (who
already made it that contacted me) and not other being?

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other.
Good questions, Tendou!
Do our other selves need to be cultivating?
If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we

absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?
Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is successful.
That one is still you but in another universe, another timeline,
another dimension. Anyway after death you will integrate with the
higher self and all your life experiences will be absorbed by your
higher self. If you create the link with the higher self before death,
this is even better, because the higher self learns in the same time
as you, he benefits of your life experiences as you live them, and
by that all your other selves are benefiting instantly, even if your
experiences are mistakes and failures, this does not matter,
because the other selves learn from your mistakes. You may
receive intuitions or visions that are coming from the higher self
that are lessons learned or experiences lived by the other life
variants. The higher self is already immortal, but you have to die
to reunite with shim. If you do that during life on earth it is called
"celestial immortal".
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Quote

to reach out.


This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's

interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot lately
and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums.
In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one

merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates
them with one's 3D self.
12 of 14 4/30/2014 11:34 AM
His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly

peculiar
Edited by theurgy, 24 April 2014 - 12:32 AM.
Yes, all lower selves needs to cultivate, but only one is

successful. That one is still you but in another universe, another
timeline, another dimension. Anyway after death you will
integrate with the higher self and all your life experiences will be
absorbed by your higher self. If you create the link with the
higher self before death, this is even better, because the higher
self learns in the same time as you, he benefits of your life
experiences as you live them, and by that all your other selves
are benefiting instantly, even if your experiences are mistakes
and failures, this does not matter, because the other selves learn
from your mistakes. You may receive intuitions or visions that
are coming from the higher self that are lessons learned or
experiences lived by the other life variants. The higher self is
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already immortal, but you have to die to reunite with shim. If

you do that during life on earth it is called "celestial immortal".
Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher self/
immortal spirit?
By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and the
various other non-immortal essences with our immortal essence,
thereby becoming fully immortal?
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Yes you could, this the whole point of "enlightenment in a single

lifetime". If you could do that you are the "Chosen One" out of
many variants, you are the best, the only one who could achieved
this goal.
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The
higher self resides in the 5th dimension
2 of 12 4/30/2014 11:35 AM
The catalyst is a yearning for the desired outcome?
The rest I follow well enough.
Connect with other selves, start to transfer what each one is

lacking/ knows to progress faster, merge timelines
Hmm....That sounds allot more complicated then it seems.

3 of 12 4/30/2014 11:35 AM
other.
It is not "difficult" per se- but the catalyst is multi-layered.
We will discuss the multi-tiered catalyst- down the road.
The *Will*, is one such catalyst
Knowing that "hey this makes sense" is one thing.
Incorporating it into daily cultivation routines is the other.
For instance- some people think when you cultivate you should be
almost unconscious, LOL!- which couldn't be further from
the truth.
You want your consciousness at the fore-front to be

occupied/active, while you tap the (primary)/(secondary)
subconsciousness
There is also a 3rd layer of consciousness dubbed the crypto-

conscious
(shhhh lol don't tell that to the traditionalists)
Contacting each discarnate self is a dichotomy/duality in the

cultivation process that is an dual independant/simutaneous
thought stream at work like a cellular mental/mind MCO
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MIND-BLOCKS: There is SO MUCH B/S/ OUT THERE, it is

almost impossible to incorporate anything unorthodox.
Good questions, Tendou!
Do our other selves need to be cultivating?
If one of our selves has already attained high levels, can we

absorb/ integrate that experience/ results?
This is VERY similar to the approach of E.J. Gold. What's

interesting is I have been pondering these very concepts a lot
lately and didn't expect to have this discussion on Taobums.
In short, he teaches a form of out of body travel in which one

merges with one's "Parallel Universe Personas" and integrates
them with one's 3D self.
5 of 12 4/30/2014 11:35 AM
His work provides much food for thought..even if it is highly

peculiar
Couldnt we bypass our other I's and go straight to our higher

self/ immortal spirit?
By doing so, would we be able to infuse our earthly bodies and

the various other non-immortal essences with our immortal
essence, thereby becoming fully immortal?
To be an Immortal means no more physical time line

penetration against your Will
If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will
need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to Immortality
so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just
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one or two
depnding on how many of you, there actually are
it could be an infiite amount- but they:

ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE
CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY CONSCIOUSNESS

IS SENTIENT
Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc
To be an Immortal means no more physical time line

penetration against your Will
If your other selves are not cultivating, then some of them will
need to reincarante again to continue the evolution to
Immortality
so ALL OF YOU must be catching up and getting close- not just

one or two
depnding on how many of you, there actually are
it could be an infiite amount- but they:

ALL START TO FUSE AT THE CORE
CENTRAL CORE = WHERE YOUR PRIMARY

CONSCIOUSNESS IS SENTIENT
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Thus, YOU are the center of your own universe, etc
Something I have been contemplating:

when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the Universe
We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions of
ourselves as well.
Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves
that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more
virtuous
and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an incarnations
moving more towards the physical and those
that move towards the spiritual.
In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities
that our other selves will be brought across the threshold.
Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously bind

all multiverse selves
to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of progress?
This is a fascinating thread.
I like to travel around and visit the others .
Something I have been contemplating:

when we send out prayers/blessings for all Beings in the
Universe
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We are de facto including all those "parallel universe" versions

of ourselves as well.
Through Quantum entanglement we are reaching those selves
that aren't even on the Path and subtly guiding them to be more
virtuous
and bringing them across the "nadir" that divides an
incarnations moving more towards the physical and those
that move towards the spiritual.
In essence, by directed Will we are increasing the probabilities
that our other selves will be brought across the threshold.
Now, are you proposing SOTG a method to simultaneously

bind all multiverse selves
to the "Higest Self" so that all are at the same stage of
progress?
This is a fascinating thread.
I just have to be careful with this one because it, can/might

/mostcertainlywill- cause some problems
emotional and haunting/precognitions/flashback/bleedthroughs

sort of "stuff"..
Have you experienced this yourself?

I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's
consciousness
Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better term.
Such work is difficult to conceptualize
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Have you experienced this yourself?

I suppose there would be some kind of reactions in one's
consciousness
Due to the influence of non-local "gravity" for lack of a better
term.
Such work is difficult to conceptualize
Translocation,. morphic resonance of a foamy-diamond

egregore with many facets of Self.
Stray thoughts and figuring which one of Me, said it
it's like Lovecraft on DMT
Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time.
Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most
"out of phase"
and how to mitigate the negative effects?
Oh man, that's funny but so very not funny at the same time.
Have you been able to ascertain what practices bring you most
"out of phase"
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It's like fusing multiple personalities
one (hopefully) is in charge
need a referee lol
sometimes you think it is under control
certain emotions can exacerbate it
that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych

class before magick
Crowley must have seen me coming
this is why I do not recommend doing

drugs/hallucinagens
because if the door gets kicked in- there's going to be a

problem
even with Kundalini
better to not even start
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thus my hesitation in teaching this
Absolutely. Drugs put one on the Royal Road to Hell.
that's why Israel Regardie recommended everyone take a psych

class before magick
Crowley must have seen me coming
Regardie was a wise man. I often recommend people start with his
"One Year Manual"
It's a solid foundation to build on. Also recommended are Dr
Hyatt's "Undoing" techniques.
Essential for aspiring magicians IMO.
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Max Christenson of Kunlun said he didn't rip off Kunlun from

Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and gave
her the potent instruction
Wang Liping speaks of interaction with the spirit world-
Opening the Dragon Gate tells the story of 3 Daoist Wizards
There was a lot of Opium going around in the ancient days (still
is)- and hallucinations/Visions, like DMT- have MUCH to share.
Shamans do this all the time
You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer to
your questions
same as outer body experience
which really isn't "out of body" (maybe for a later discussion)
So, what do Immortals do all day and all night long?
Considering there are 5 types of Immortals- there's a lot.
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Quote
Ghost Immortal, Human Immortal , Earth Immortal, Spirit

Immortal, and Heaven/Celestial Immortal:
1) Ghost Immortals are the lowest of the five，liberated via yin,

unclear in spirit, no name in ghost and heavenly realms,
although out of reincarnation, cannot return to heaven. They
belong to nowhere, only cease to reborn.
2) Human Immortals have not realize the great Dao, they
obtained one method, and in one method obtained one skill.
They practice whole heartedly, obtain pure spirit and chi,
solidify form, immune from human world disease.
3) Earth Immortals follow law of sky and earth’s rising and
falling, obtain the number for the manifestation of son and
moon. Within the body, observe the changes in annual,
monthly, and daily cycles. Understand the dragon and tiger,
regulate Kan and Li, differentiate the purity of the water source,
use different fire in different times, observe the two opposites,
three cores, four phenomenon, five elements, set the six
energies, collect the seven treasures, sequence the bagua,
circulate the energy, refine the form and stay in the world,
achieve long life.
4) Spirit Immortals are Earth Immortal who no longer interest
to live in the world. They continue the practice, refine gold and
jade, transform form into energy, five energies go back to the
source, three Yan gather at the top, when practise complete
form is forgotten. Yin ends and Yan is pure, they discover body
beyond body, depart from form and rise into immortal,
transcend ordinary and become extraordinary, decline the
secular world and go back to heaven.
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5) Heaven Immortals are Spirit Immortals transcend

attachment to stay in heaven. They spread the Dao in human
world, continue the deed until the divine work is done, then
receive the heavenly summon to go back to the thirty-six
heavens, back to eighty-one Yan heavens, to the three purest
heavens.
..and humans discover/re-learn enchanted techniques.
...
This sounds like one to watch.
Is it similar to;
QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT?
TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal Weapon.
xxx
...
...
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This sounds like one to watch.
Is it similar to;
QUANTUM ENTANGLEMENT?
TANGLE FOOT BAG be Alchemycal weapon.
xxx
...
In the 6 Thunders thread
Of course, some will immediately laugh, mock, troll.
That's usually the way those who "know" perform/act out/act-up-

to try to discredit- truth from being revealed.
Then there are "know-it-alls" who *think*, ONLY they know

"know-it-all", but really, live in a small box yelling:
"NO! My! Way! Is! The! Truth!"
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Fact is:
Internal Alchemy is Occultism 101
Philosopher's Stone- all of it.
Spirit Interaction is Part of NeiGong- like it, or not
& "A Part" is: Hologram 101

Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and
gave her the potent instruction
You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer
to your questions
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What does the "perfected" Tan Tien "look like" to You?
Is an Immortal- One, Total, Tan Tien?
The Epitome of the realised, actualised, Tan Tien?
The Personification of the developed Tan Tien?
Not "FULLY" developed- NO SUCH THING
Eternity means ALWAYS EVOLVING.
So there is NO FINAL STAGE
You can NOT LIMIT: Evolution
There is No Finalized, "godhood"
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It is INFINITE.
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It is INFINITE.
I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can as

well...
Until it all ends, if it does.
It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what we

are/ can be?
+
=
To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole
body would be a single, unified TanTien.
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I do enjoy this idea....that life is always evolving and so we can

as well...
Until it all ends, if it does.
It just opens up so many possibilities for life. Why limit what

we are/ can be?
Indeed
One of the BIGGEST Limiters is RELIGION
Enlightenment has no room for external worship and

degrading oneself to be FILTHY RAGS and in need of a
saviour or redeemer
Quote
Isaiah 64:6
New International Version (NIV)
6 All of us have become like one who is unclean,
and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags;
we all shrivel up like a leaf,
and like the wind our sins sweep us away.
GOD IS INSIDE
NOT OUTSIDE!
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Maybe, think this way:
Imagine, if you can- hypothetically:
A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT
Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric
connection with such a vessel
a conduit of LUX has connected you to it.
"Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished!
so, now what?
Of course I am being Vague, because:

Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I
must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect)
"quarantined"-
Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum

Jenny Lamb but a female in a cave was visited by a spirit and
gave her the potent instruction
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You can go to sleep and dream - and awaken to find the answer
to your questions
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It is INFINITE.
To me, it would become the whole body and beyond. The whole
body would be a single, unified TanTien.
I'm reminded of the many passages in the Corpus Hermeticum

where Hermes is instructed to imagine himself as containing All
things and encompaassing all space. "To know God you must
become equal to God"
Question for consideration and discussion: why does the physical

body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who have attained
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the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able to wrap my

head around that one...

Question for consideration and discussion: why does the

physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who
have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able
to wrap my head around that one...
Ohh, that is an excellent question! I have pondered that for quite a

few years, now...Since I have not experienced deep enough
states/stages, I can only guess....
Maybe it is that they have not completely, truly, transformed their

being?

Question for consideration and discussion: why does the
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physical body appear to age at an ordinary rate in beings who

have attained the body of light/rainbow body? Haven't been able
to wrap my head around that one...
Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99

Rainbow Rebate Offer?
or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from
their Photoshop rainbow body?
Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment

all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors
Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much

(long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the
Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds
Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted

"bent"light/LUX

That is also a good one, in itself.
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If we turn ourselves, inside out- we find the universe
Thus god is inside
Well, for starters, maybe they didn't mail in their $999.99

Rainbow Rebate Offer?
or, ummm, maybe they left out one of the Primary colours from
their Photoshop rainbow body?
Most likely, though, as I suspect the 3 of us, here at the moment

all know, such attributes are most likely metaphors
Diamond body- Diamonds are junk coal- that after much

(long-time) surrounding pressure- they transmutate into the
Messiah of Coal, i.e, Diamonds
Light Body- Rainbow Body- samething- rainbow is refracted

"bent"light/LUX
Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression qigong.
If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain

it?!
Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple.
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Hmm....Similar process to bone breathing/ compression

qigong.
If our body is already a light body....then how do you even attain

it?!
Immortality..tricky business, yet probably quite simple.
It is all theoretical
dynamic, not static
we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base
structure
here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we will

just ask him/her/it
they seem to be quite common, these days
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It is all theoretical
dynamic, not static
we are forever moving, not locked, nor forced- into one base
structure
here ya go- - next time, one of us meets an Immortal, we

will just ask him/her/it
they seem to be quite common, these days
Hmm...possibly attempting to upgrade, so to speak, our light

body, then infuse that into the slower aspects of our being...
Yi guides the Qi...Guides being the key word. The Qi is like water,
our awareness creates a channel/ pooling effect...gentle.
Interesting.
I would love to meet an immortal. Pretty rare, though. I need to

make sure I have some good tea and food, though...Would be
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horrid to not be able to be right proper welcoming!
Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement.
Start off from the TOP & work your way down
Think transformers, step up in our case
Step down from an Immortals reference point.
Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum veil
if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions,

crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery.
How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing if

this is feasibly possible.
Maybe, think this way:
Imagine, if you can- hypothetically:
A perfected 72nd level JohnChang style LDT
Once you can "visualise" this- you have just made an etheric
connection with such a vessel
a conduit of LUX has connected you to it.
"Nexus-Praxis" -accomplished!
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so, now what?
Of course I am being Vague, because:

Now that I am aware this Forum will have an Expiration date: I
must keep the catalyst (how to engage/put into affect)
"quarantined"-
Eventually you and I can discuss this off the forum
Thus, it shifts to the gears of Quantum Entanglement.
Start off from the TOP & work your way down
Think transformers, step up in our case
Step down from an Immortals reference point.
Discussing all things Immortal takes us beyond that Quantum

veil
if Quantum String theory places at least 11 active dimensions,
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crossing the LDT threshold is not such a mystery.
How the catalyst makes it happen is the variable, not discussing

if this is feasibly possible.
Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize

it?!
Hmm...What is the catalyst and how do you even start to utilize

it?!
That's what I will share with you in the Email you sent me, when I
reply
Where do HIgher Self fit in?
Where do HIgher Self fit in?
time is not linear
it goes forward backward and swings side to side
we are multifacted beings occupying many nonlinear dimensions

and hyper-spatial fabrics simutaneously
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so higher self(s) is a single drop of discarnate consciousness from

a varying point of view
Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a

Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation
which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy Guardian
Angel?
As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their first
priority on the Path before all else.
Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher

self is not talked about nearly enough.
How can one proceed very far without grasping this important
concept?
Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the

necessary contact anyway.
What say you on this?
Not being all that well versed in Daoism, I wonder if there is a

Daoist version of something like say The Abramelin Operation
which is designed to contact one's "Higher Self" of Holy
Guardian Angel?
As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their
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first priority on the Path before all else.
Seems to me on TTB, the concept of connecting to one's Higher

self is not talked about nearly enough.
How can one proceed very far without grasping this important
concept?
Or perhaps with rigorous cultivation one ends up making the

necessary contact anyway.
What say you on this?
In western magick we have low and high magick
low being money health love etc
high being for enlightenment
Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self, but
more so the yellow brick road, itself.
Daoism is a religion- the way, ziran, tianran, etc
I'm not much into Daoism, just because it is another

religion.
a side from that- to me, Cultivation is the path of

godhood
My holy guardian angel told me so
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...
Quote
Holy Guardian Angel is basically not so much the Higher Self,

but more so the yellow brick road, itself.
Nice one man.
My head's full of stuffin'.

...
What is yellow brick road?
And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD
reside in all this?
What is yellow brick road?
And, where does the One Above it All, or usually called GOD
reside in all this?
yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of Oz"
The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time, space,

quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits
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I call it Primordial Awareness
Impersonal, aloof, distracted
Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our

hand
G.enerate
O.rganize
D.estroy
IMO/IME


religion.

godhood
This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen?

If so, are you describing the Primordial State?
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If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the
Abramelin method
to attain knowledge and conversation or another method?
It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and

then
merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a way
of providing
the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually one
will transcend
even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training wheels."
This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a few
teachers
expounding this very point.
So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who is

not sensitive to
energy at all. What practices in your opinion would be best to
recommend them
in the beginning towards the goal of Godhood?
yellow brick road = play on words from the movie "Wizard of

Oz"
The universal consciousness permeates all fabrics of time,

space, quantum veils, and small bunny rabbits
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I call it Primordial Awareness
Impersonal, aloof, distracted
Allowing us to learn/earn our own lessons, without holding our

hand
G.enerate
O.rganize
D.estroy
IMO/IME
Then,
Primordial Awareness=Yellow Brick Road=GOD
Then I think it is Nearly the same thing.
Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar but

different thing.
Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while

transmission is initiated by others.
If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference

from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even
from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy
untainted by any being?
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Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.
Edited by tendou, 21 April 2014 - 10:32 PM.
...
Quote
Getting Transmission even from GOD/The Source/TAO itself.

The purest source of Energy untainted by any being?
Is that not the direct Zen Transmission?
Colours From Space (Golden & Silver)

(http://halcyonhierophant.blogspot.co.uk/2013/02/34-colour-
from-space.html)
...
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As you well know, magicians are instructed to make this their

first priority on the Path before all else.
came before there was even such thing as a priority list (from
another time in life...there have been many...that no matter how
bad "everything" was, there was this brilliant shining silver lining
that made any size shit-bog an acceptable traverse...in retrospect,
because shit-bogs are never fun while traversing...)
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This is an interesting concept--are you familiar with Dzogchen?

If so, are you describing the Primordial State?
I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the
transcendence.
The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which is
limiting to me.
Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"
If you would, without revealing too much, did you use the
Abramelin method
to attain knowledge and conversation or another method?
It seems to me the path of devotion to a deity (Bhakti yoga) and

then
merging with it and constantly identifying oneself with it is a
way of providing
the Body of Light with a container to wrap itself in. Eventually
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one will transcend

even this but in my view, the deity functions as "training
wheels."
This is a point that gets lost in hermetic circles but there are a
few teachers
expounding this very point.
So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who

is not sensitive to
recommend them
I did the Abramelin trip.

6 Months, IMO -is total BS
Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old boy"
There is so much allegory in this, it makes a seeker's head swim

with fragments of cerebral jello
Abramelin, took me to:
general Grimoire magick- Solomonic

Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa
Then:
Khemetic
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Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon
Not in a linear path- many U-Turns,. over laps, DEAD ENDS-

(deliberate side tracks built in EVERY SYSTEM) etc
The Egyptian Book of the Dead- is NOT for funeral.

It is a Body Of Light mapping- where to go
Like Tibetian Book of the Dead- it is a travel guide, as Leary

confirmed with his LSD/Tibetian trip
In ALL my Magicks- I would RESIST & FORBID ever assuming

Worship, rather., I usurped all deity(Die-ty) authority-I took the
GODFORM
and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and realms
The first rule of GodHood is:
BECOME A GOD
Real Magick = I AM GOD HERE!
So let us say that we are approached by a complete novice who

is not sensitive to
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recommend them
Clearest easist path to godhood:
Cultivate
Quantum LDT (I was going to make a thread on that)
Trample on all doctrine of man made religions
Explore realms and take them!
Chi-Naut
Quantum Transference and Transmission. Seems like similar

but different thing.
Only Quantum Transference is initiated by onself while

transmission is initiated by others.
If that is so, then theoretically we can do Quantum Transference

from Primordial Awareness itself. Getting Transmission even
from GOD/The Source/TAO itself. The purest source of Energy
untainted by any being?
Or Am I not making any sense? Haha.
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YES! THAT! PERFECTED!
EDIT: Posted Today, 11:11 AM
Cultivate
Trample on all doctrine of man made religions
Explore realms and take them!
Chi-Naut
YES! THAT! PERFECTED!
EDIT: Posted Today, 11:11 AM
What would it take to do this?
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The catalyst?

Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old

boy"


Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa
Then:
Khemetic
Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon
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GODFORM
and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and

realms
BECOME A GOD
GREAT post! The newest translation of the Abramelin (George

Dehn) has a 2 year operation. I've seen some study guides that
stretch it out over 5 or more years so I agree 6 months is BS. Yet
so many magicians proclaim to have attained it in 6 months or
LESS using the incorrectly translated Mathers edition. As the
alchemist Frater Albertus used to say"the longer, the slower, the
better."
Given your vast experience it's good to hear your perspective.

Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into your
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own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical

community needs more materials from genuine teachers imo.
Cultivate
I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read that.

I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.

better."

Have you thought about synthesizing your experiences into
your own unique system, i.e. writing books, etc.? The magical
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It can be attained in 6 months just fine, if one devotes their entire

life to it during that time. It is just more difficult because you get
2 years of work crammed into 6 months, 1/4 the time. I would
personally not go with the 5 years; to much chance of going
astray.
PS an awesome yahoo group about the Abramelin operation, even

with a few folks on there who have done the working
https://groups.yahoo.../abramelin/info
(https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/abramelin/info)
I can easily align with the Bon, and their concept of the
transcendence.
The thing I am against though is the doctrine they have, which
is limiting to me.
Once a group says "like this"- it is no longer, "like that"

Took years of isolation, without having a "9 year old

boy"

9 of 15 4/30/2014 11:19 AM

Howlings
ATR
Vodoun
Shinto
QaBaLa
Then:
Khemetic
Canaanite
Babylonian
Sumerian
Enochian
Necronomicon




GODFORM
and became god and jurisdiction over heavenly abodes and

realms
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BECOME A GOD
Knowing someone who performed the 6 month version and had

some amazing results from it, then 5 years later did the 18 month
version to contrast and compare (and as a good excuse to up the
amount of spiritual work per day, I would say 6 moths is definitely
viable, as long as one focuses on it solely.
In western magick we have low and high magick
low being money health love etc
high being for enlightenment


religion.

godhood
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I love the "low" magic aspects of the German version .
I think the Daoist version, more cuts out the middleman! Though
the qigong and neigong aspects have it covered imo, more as a side
affect than aiming for it.
curious of the usage of 'quantum' here. imho all qi and awareness

are quantum mechanically based phenomenon, ergo with regard
to the mind's interactions with physical things and qi things, a
question of order and how the mind perceives it arises in the
context of combining the amplitudes.
if we have two amplitudes a=3 and b=4, just keeping it simple to

display the concept,
-if the events happen in sequence, multiply the amplitudes:

3x4=12
When practicing, events not in coherence will have the lesser
outcome...this is the stage of working on the timing...
-if the events are in coherence but can be distinguished, square the
multiples then add: 9+16=25
In refining, one finds coherence yet events are at least partly still
of the mind and thus distinguishable...this is the stage of building
habit-energy, one becomes familiar with having timed everything,
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now comes execution and familiarity...
-if the events cannot be distinguished, add before absolute

squaring - |3+4=7|, ^2=49
Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes the
foreground - and certain events within will start to become
indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....this is
the stage of the habit-energy actually having inertia to it and the
body-mind has gotten out of the way so to speak, the practitioner
has spent enough time embedding protocols onto the various parts
of the brain (and reinforces them regularly)...
So there is quantum mathematical equation-basis to relate stages

of practice to the effect it has on how the energy combines and
manifests for the practitioner.

better."

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Thanks man
Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put it
in a PDF
all our stuff in one huge volume
This is a great idea. I think there'd be a lot of interest in this, imo.
Thanks man
Maybe we can pack all the best info from these threads and put
it in a PDF
all our stuff in one huge volume
I am definitely interested in reading something like that.
Always great to hear from current practitioners and learn from

them.
14 of 15 4/30/2014 11:19 AM
I think everybody reading this thread would be eager to read

that.
I humbly cast my vote in favour of a Quantum LDT thread.
I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition!
I concur! Let us cast our votes and bring this into fruition!
My vote on this too!
...
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All our stuff in one huge volume.
That's right!
xxx
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yeahhhhhhh so
I always have highweirdness going on with our temple lol
I will post a new thread on this
NeiGong Meets Magick
Maybe called it McGong
would like an order of tantien with that?
lol
lol
So I made Nunchucks wands
I knew I should not have taught my wife how to use Nunchucks
heh
1 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
Practice until the foreground fades away, background becomes

the foreground - and certain events within will start to become
indistinguishable, producing the most efficacious result....
maybe take past and future events and sway them on parallel
concurrent timelines
we do have dual amygdala

yesterday I did a rite- leftover from Ishtar Sun Day
I was telling Uroboros in Email I fried my damn computer drive

again
magnetics EMI meh
2 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
so I'm back logged on here
-but been answering briefly
But, I don't write books etc because I want to stay anonymous
That's why when I made that video and uploaded it, I kept my face
covered
I'm not looking for fame or fortune
I'm just a simple guy, learning, and teaching what I know
If I made some videos, doing "stuff"
I'd have people wanting me to teach them- I can almost

guarantee that
I already have this problem in my training camp
Just isn't my style
I rather lurk in the shadows
maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in your

training/cultivation
3 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
like a blast of energy moving you up passed a stagnant plateau..
Just isn't my style
I rather lurk in the shadows
maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in

your training/cultivation
I can appreciate that. I know of one Teacher who used to be in the

public eye and then one day
he announced "I'm not writing/teaching anymore" and hasn't been
seen or heard from since.
In the Hermetic tradition, teachers would remain anonymous by

attributing their teachings to
Thoth or Hermes Trismegistus. I rather like this concept. It keeps
things pure.
Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways .
4 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
Many of the well known authors have ghost writers anyways .
True story. More common than many would like to believe
that's because writing a book is a seriously big challenge, if you

want to be comprehensive. if I wanted to gear stuff towards being
*so direct and to the point*....well, I would have been done by
now, but the audience probably would have shrunk by 90%.
instead I listened to all kinds of people's advice to make it as
accessible as possible, and the quicksand consumed the project.
SOTG, care to tell us what is the sudden uprising?

Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start
again soon.
maybe one of you guys will notice an upspring, suddenly in

your training/cultivation
5 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM

Right now I just stop any cultivation. Just resting and will start
again soon.
For the past week I have been making great progress, able to train
with more consistency and length then I have been able to in
awhile!
Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle

changes.
For the past week I have been making great progress, able to
train with more consistency and length then I have been able to
in awhile!
Other then new things being shown to me in my body and subtle

changes.
Every so often I return to rote-ness. Using force of intention to

MAKE the freakin structures move as they are supposed to, doesnt
matter how much force of intention you need, doesnt matter how
contrived it feels. After 10-15 minutes of that, I no longer need to
use much intention, body feels big as a mountain, hands feel like
catchers mitts, each finger feels like its the size of an entire beef
tenderloin, the light of awareness shining at the center....well hey,
last night the whole centerline just about, from lower dt to upper
6 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
dt, shiny happy taiji pole Sometimes that's necessary to train

the structures. I did a TON of it when getting to those minute+
breaths. Relax, yadda yadda...whatever, after having done
analysis of mechanics, I know how the parts should move, I know
the feeling of the parts moving correctly, even though sometimes
its all too easy to get used to the sinus-air-buffer that makes for a
lazy diaphragm. Put the entire onus of breath movement on the
diaphragm and support it with the other structures, anything that
doesnt need to support it forget that signal exists.
Tendou, here is your answer:
For the past week I have been making great progress, able to
train with more consistency and length then I have been able to
in awhile!
Tendou, here is your answer:
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!
AHHHHH!!!
7 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
Eh, helpful help is helpful. It aint malevolent, thats for sure!
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!
AHHHHH!!!
Eh, helpful help is helpful. It aint malevolent, thats for sure!
Exactly.
My feelings exactly.
8 of 8 4/30/2014 11:20 AM
Yin Field - What, Why & How: - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34538-yin-field-what-why-how/

Yin, Yin out of the body,
Page 1 of 2
If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if
its not Yin Field?
If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the
Yin Field be coming from up and down?
What is the Yang Field that instigates action within the Yin?
Yin is always with Yang
The body doesn't compartmentalize Yin only
Yang/sky mixed with yin
Yin/ground mixed with some yang
If there's Yang around, it has Yin chasing it
If you have a magnet- it has positive & negative poles
1 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
It can't be a magnet and have only 2 positive poles
or 2 negative only poles
it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL
A magnetic monopole is a hypothetical elementary particle in

particle physics that is an isolated magnet with only one
magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa).
It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet.
If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has
the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each
piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole
cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and
electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.
Yin out of the body
(coming soon)
I would like to know more about Yin within the body, not just
outside.
If you could absorb the external, to strengthen the internal....Oh,

who am I kiddin? The internal is the external! hahaha
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Dichotomies of Yin
2 opposing schools of thought:
1- when you practice you must be outside, perineum

touching ground
no artificial, inorganic insulation in between
you may use an indoor grounding mat/wire
this was discussed previously on another thread
2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self from

leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily
Use a rubber mat, etc- to keep from/off the absorbing Earth
Dichotomies of Yin

touching ground
3 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self

from leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily
Both schools of thoughts have positive and negative traits

-conflicting ?
I've usually seen it in the context of the nature of the practice, firey
stuff the former, watery downward the latter.
Dichotomies of Yin

touching ground
4 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
2- the other school of thought is to insulate one self

from leaking dispersing Qi, involuntarily
According to the first type of school, A building, slab of concrete

and cement is artificial and inorganic insulation?
According to the first type of school, A building, slab of concrete

and cement is artificial and inorganic insulation?
No, but then it is usually covered with insulation for warmth,

mold etc
that's the inorganic part
If we don't have those inorganic parts, would a building that is

supported by pillar, or 2nd floor be considered continuous with
the earth or one with the earth to a certain extent?
http://thetaobums.co...ue/#entry532133 (http://thetaobums.com
/topic/34121-very-powerful-energy-generatingactivating-
technique/#entry532133)
5 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
SonOfTheGods, on 18 Mar 2014 - 11:29, said:
Laogong points on bottom of feet- and heel meridians.

Going up and down off the ground creates a magnetic yin pulse-
especially if your toes are coming into contact with the ground
first. (Think Kunlun). Perineum moving up and down. Flexing
of pelvis/cocyxx/sacral/mingmen.
The laogong points in your hands, plus the wrist daling points
being turned per the rope jumping activate the niwan point in
your head.
Then it reverses- like Tai Chi: Bai Hui - Niwan - Daling - LDT -
Bubbling Springs
Deep quick breathing from jumping rope is activating the fire

yang breathe, as your mind focuses on the event.
_________
SonOfTheGods, on 24 Mar 2014 - 11:37, said:
If you want, take it one step further:
When you jump rope- center your focus on your lower tan tien.
Then inhale as you jump off the ground- focus the energy
upwards out to the niwan and crown area- all the way into the
sky.
As you about to land, compress your perineum, then exhale as

your feet touch the ground, penetrating your consciousness
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deep down into the Earth.
A few repititions of that, and...
_________

In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and

magnetic- even though it would appear to new comers,
that the energy should seem to be yang and warm, as it
''Feels'' as though it is coming down from "the sky"
http://thetaobums.co...va/#entry515822 (http://thetaobums.com
holesupernova/#entry515822)
_________
The Lower Tan Tien Is "Similar" To A SuperNova:
Can't "Fill" a Black Hole
7 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
It can be "fed" though.
The lower Tan Tien, as a Vacuum, sucking and pulling in through

the crown, and 4 limbs/pore breathe, etc.
As it grows and condenses/collapses upon itself- it

produces/circulates energy MCO, etc
____________
When the Qi hai is full, like a large sphere, it makes contact

with back & front & huiyin on the bottom. It begins the
upward circulation from the Wei Lu/tail bone. Like the images
I just posted
http://thetaobums.co...e-2#entry515854 (http://thetaobums.com
holesupernova/page-2#entry515854)
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(http://thetaobums.com/index.php?app=forums&
8 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
module=forums&section=findpost&pid=515822)

Quote
In Kunlun, the energy coming down feels cool and

magnetic- even though it would appear to new
comers, that the energy should seem to be yang and
warm, as it ''Feels'' as though it is coming down
from "the sky"
Yin- Example/Briefly:
Much inter-action/re-action of running water/ streams etc that

produce negative ionization
this is constantly evaporating-=- filling the air/clouds/plants, etc,

-breathing/exhaling trading off with organisms
Yin does not just stay "stuck" in the ground
Yin is in "outer space" - magnetic ionosphere
Magnetic flux "ropes" -
tethering from the Sun
Ionosphere is a region of the upper atmosphere, includes the
9 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
Thermo-sphere and parts of the Meso-sphere and Exo-sphere. It

is distinguished because it is Ionized by solar radiation.
It also plays an important part in atmospheric electricity and

forms the inner edge of the magnetosphere.
If we don't have those inorganic parts, would a building that is

supported by pillar, or 2nd floor be considered continuous with
the earth or one with the earth to a certain extent?
To give you a proper answer, I'd have to check it out
photo maybe
If the pillar is steel and penetrates the ground, maybe tie a wire
around it and the other end put a sheet of copper, steel etc to sit
and stand on for standing practice
_________
school #2:
Or sit on a rubber mat and insulate yourself & utilize energies

coming down and see how that works for you
Quote

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Getting Yin out of your body to do fun tricks
If someone performs successful Telekinesis, not stage magic- did

their Yin pop out of their body?
Poltergeist phenomenon happens around children at puberty age.
PSI runs rampant and emotional "Tweens" can cause Poltergeist

out breaks
Did their Yin leave their body?
Is a "yin-field" necessary per this scenario?
Can you use a machine that produces negative ions?
Piezoelectric &/or oscillators- square waves//sine wave-

quartz crystals (sometimes in conjunction with gold foil)
Yin- Example/Briefly:
Much inter-action/re-action of running water/ streams etc that
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produce negative ionization
this is constantly evaporating-=- filling the air/clouds/plants,

etc, -breathing/exhaling trading off with organisms
Yin does not just stay "stuck" in the ground
Yin is in "outer space" - magnetic ionosphere
Magnetic flux "ropes" -
tethering from the Sun
Ionosphere is a region of the upper atmosphere, includes the

Thermo-sphere and parts of the Meso-sphere and Exo-sphere.
It is distinguished because it is Ionized by solar radiation.
It also plays an important part in atmospheric electricity and

forms the inner edge of the magnetosphere.
If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if its
not Yin Field?
If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the Yin
Field be coming from up and down?
If our legs are our root, what comes up that is so damn vital, if
12 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
its not Yin Field?
If the Yin Field is moved into action by Yang Field, would the
Yin Field be coming from up and down?
it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole" LOL

magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or vice-versa).
It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar magnet.
If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that one half has
the north pole and the other half has the south pole. Instead, each
piece has its own north and south poles. A magnetic monopole
13 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
cannot be created from normal matter such as atoms and

electrons, but would instead be a new elementary particle.
it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic monopole"

LOL

magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or
vice-versa).
14 of 17 4/30/2014 11:06 AM
It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar

magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that
one half has the north pole and the other half has the south
pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A
magnetic monopole cannot be created from normal matter
such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new
elementary particle.
Is a part of fusion then, separating the Yin and Yang that is mixed
together into their purer forms?
...
Quote
it wouldn't be a magnet- unless it is a "magnetic

monopole" LOL
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magnetic pole (a north pole without a south pole or
vice-versa).
It is impossible to make magnetic monopoles from a bar
magnet. If a bar magnet is cut in half, it is not the case that
one half has the north pole and the other half has the south
pole. Instead, each piece has its own north and south poles. A
magnetic monopole cannot be created from normal matter
such as atoms and electrons, but would instead be a new
elementary particle.
xxx
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Yin, Yin out of the body,
Page 2 of 2
...
I tink it is Yang chases Yin.
NOT the udder way round.
xxx.
...
...
I think it is Yang chases Yin.
NOT the udder way round.
xxx.
...
yin/female follows yang/male
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that's why religions are Patriarchal
Eve From Adam
Mythology explains it with personification
yin/female follows yang/male
that's why religions are Patriarchal
Eve From Adam
technically though- they both sort of follow each other
one doesn't exist without the other not too far behind
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'Yang cannot exist by itself; it can exist only when it is

supported by yin.
Hence yin is the foundation of yang.
Similarly, yin cannot alone manifest itself; it can manifest
itself only when accompanied by yang.
Hence yang is the expression of yin.
Yang controls the origination and enjoys the completion [of
things] while yin follows the way [yang produces] and
completes the work of yang.
~ Shao Yong, (1012-1077), Philosopher
2 of 4 4/30/2014 11:07 AM
...
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Yang controls the origination and enjoys the completion [of

things] while yin follows the way [yang produces] and
completes the work of yang.
Interesting.
xxx.
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AYE maintain that YANG! doth ever chase YIN!!
I AM Herne the HUNTER!!!
XXX!!!!.
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"How To Cut the LDT Cords" - SonOfTheGods - The Tao Bums http://thetaobums.com/topic/34449-how-to-cut-the-ldt-cords/

Page 1 of 3
Many people were looking for this information.
Here it is.
I wrote this.
This is mine.
This might seem easy, but it is not.
This isn't imagination, or allegory.
It is Real.
However, if you have no real Qi build up in your Lower Tan Tien,

it will only be imagination.
But, if you have sufficient Yi & Yang built up- hold on!
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WARNING!
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USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!

THIS IS ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!
The Lower Tan Tien has 5 Nadis connecting it.
Four Nadis connect to the Middle Tan Tien, from the:
1. Upper -
2. Lower -
3. & 4. Either Side -
5. Back
Separating 4 of the 5 Nadis
The Qi IS Moved/Directed into the Taiji Pole via forcing through

the Bandha/Block at the Perineum-Coccyx area.
This is partially how Kundalini is activated.
It is moved Up & Back around/reversed from the Mingmen and

isolated to the Lower Tan Tien.
This frees the Qi from the Jen Mo/Yi & the Tum Mo/Yang
meridians.
The Lower Tan Tien can then be moved DOWN voluntarily and
independantly, like a small Pearl.
At this stage, the Yi and Yang stored *will not follow each other*,
but rather *flow against/repel each other, independantly &
simutaneously* - as in the Taiji symbol.
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This will feel like Friction - Heat - Burning.
Quote
http://thetaobums.co...igong/?p=538941
(http://thetaobums.com/topic/34411-neigong/?p=538941)

along the belly,
passes through the navel, the pit of the stomach, the chest,
throat and upper lip and
ends below the eye; it connects twenty-seven psychic centres.
The tu mo channel
the backbone to the
crown and thence descends along the forehead and nose, ending
in the gums; it connects

ancient medical
science.
3. Ch'ung mo, or the 'bursting' channel, rises from the

perineum, goes up
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twenty-four psychic
centres.

which circles the
the outer side of
the ankle and leg, then skirts the back of the body and reaches
the shoulder, veering
eye, ending behind
inner side of the
centres.
half inches below
back of the body,
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psychic centres.
8. Yin wei rises from the inner side of the calf, about five inches
above the ankle,
goes up the inner side of the thigh, and after skirting the belly
and half of the chest,
turns to the throat, ascends along the face and ends in front of
the top of the head; it
Quote
WARNING!
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK!
THIS IS ONLY FOR EDUCATIONAL PURPOSES!
This is not really a big deal.

The whole mystique surrounding it, made it a big deal.
99% of the people who cultivate will get no where with this.
You have to possess extreme vibratory vital essence or things just

won't come together for you.
If you haven't practiced for at least a good solid 10 years- this will
led you no where, and most likely frustrate you.
Beware those who say "that is not it" - it is those who do not
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possess that vitality to perform it.

They are chasing an elusive prize that doesn't exist.
However, if you are at stage where you can perform this- you may
have already discovered it on your own.
I wouldn't be shocked
The most difficult problem is relating to this in the terminology

you are familiar with.
Some will call the Taiji Pole the Sushumna or the Central Channel
The Jen Mo the Conception Vessel or Ida nadi
The Pingala or the Tum Mo or the Governor channel.
The most difficult problem is relating to this in the terminology

you are familiar with.
Some will call the Taiji Pole the Sushumna or the Central
Channel
The Jen Mo the Conception Vessel or Ida nadi
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The Pingala or the Tum Mo or the Governor channel.
This is why I said it is not a good idea to mix and match traditions
etc
How best, in your experience, would you cultivate the "real qi"
needed to do anything like this?
Peace
Ida and Pingala are not the same as Jen Mo and Tu Mo. Ida and
Pingala are left and right versus the central channel, while J en Mo
and Tu Mo are front and back. They are different.
What benefit does cutting gives?
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Ida and Pingala are not the same as Jen Mo and Tu Mo. Ida and
Pingala are left and right versus the central channel, while J en
Mo and Tu Mo are front and back. They are different.
According to you
Ask 100 cultivators from mixed traditions and you will get many
varied answers
Making it too linear- as in "left" right"
Most don't even believe a Tan Tien to be physical
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Within the spinal column, the manner in which the spinal

nerves connect to the spinal cord creates four separate
channels in which the cerebrospinal fluid can flow up and
down the spinal column. One of these channels is on the front
side of the column, one on the back side, one on the left side,
and one on the right side.
In esoteric traditions, there are two pairs of subtle energies

which flow along the spinal column: the Ida and Pingala, and
the Rajas and Tamas. In actuality, the Ida and Pingala
currents flow within the cerebrospinal fluid channels on the
front and back sides of the spinal column. These two currents
link directly into the two primary acupuncture meridian on
the front side and back side of the body, known as the Jen Mo
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and Tum Mo meridians. Through the acupuncture meridian

system, the vital life energy is thus distributed throughout the
entire body.
The Rajas and Tamas currents flow within the channels on the
two sides of the spinal column. The spinal nerves along the
sides of the spinal column, and the primary cranial nerves, are
surrounded by tubular "cuffs", which enable the cerebrospinal
fluid to surround the nerves. This is particularly true of the
sensory nerves. For example, the optic nerve is surrounded by
such a cuff for its entire length, enabling the cerebrospinal
fluid to flow to the eyeball itself. Thus it is evident that the
Rajas and Tamas currents of vital energy are linked directly
into the primary nervous system of the body.
The brain is constructed with many "folds" in the exterior

surface in such a way as to maximize the surface that is in
contact with the cerebrospinal fluid. It seems evident that the
brain is energized by the currents of energy flowing within the
cerebrospinal fluid along the surface and within the ventricles
of the brain.
Peace
Bone marrow breathing
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Vibration of pelvis
You will know when the time is right
What benefit does cutting gives?
Depends who you ask
It will happen by itself over many many years of heavy duty

practice
There is no actual cutting.
These are simple nadis that resemble very fine strands of energy
As the LDT grows more potent from the vitality, it evolves and
starts to move away from these "Cords/Energy Strands"
Yi & Yang will seek to yoke- not bond- with each other
Follow the leader- 1:1 ratio
this is Nature at work

this is Evolution at work
this is Alchemy at work
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I got some emails asking me why I posted this

information.
For starters, this is my NeiGong Forum, and this subject is

NeiGong.
Plus it was my #2222 post and I wanted to commemorate it with

something special.
Two people on separate occassions asked me if I thought the

cutting of cords was something that can be done by surgeons, with
scalpels.
Like Trepanning and also cutting the tissue under the tongue to
allow it to stretch to the pineal gland.
In my mind, someone will eventually get hurt when there

are irresponsible people creating all sorts of crazy
nonsense on other forums
Avoid that stuff.
And don't post it here lol
microcosmique.jpg
Ida and pingala are called thrusting channel in TCM and they pass
through the organs, on the left you have spleen and on the right
you have liver - according to Mantak Chia. Sometimes in neidan
they are called tiger and dragon because on left you have metal
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point and on right you have wood point. They say "dragon exits
from the mountain cave, and tiger exits from the deep forest". If
dragon and tiger meet, they fight each other but they should mate,
which means these two energies have to be peaceful and balanced.
When you have these two channels balanced you have a balance of
Yin and Yang energy inside your body and you can build your
dantien. If you build up only one of the energies you will end up
with imba lances and Qi sickness. After you create the Qi pearl
which should be balanced with both energies Yin Yang from all 5
organs, you circulate the pearl in the microcosmic orbit which are
the other two channels, Governor and Conception, because you
begin to concept the immortal embryo from the pearl. This
process is called "nourishing and bathing" the baby embryo. After
the baby grows, during 10 months of spiritual pregnancy, he exits
from lower dantien and moves upward in middle dantien and
from there up in upper dantien where is born in the spiritual
world through baihui on top of your head. This is when you
become spiritual immortal because you were born in he other
world and became conscious of the other world. Even so the baby
has to return inside the body because needs to grow as an adult for
9 years. That's why you have to meditate for 9 years facing the
wall, to let the baby grow and develop, because the spiritual body
can die if something wrong happens, and you have to do the whole
process all over again. After you passed the 9 years which
sometimes is called the dark night of the soul, you can go out and
see the spiritual world because for now you are spiritual immortal,
no more afraid of death.
**watch the video then read the bottom** **watch the

video then read the bottom**
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i chose this video for a reason!! the ppl in this video as you can see
arent your typical fluid crisp moving taichi ppl. this is to show that
you dont have to be the best to get started as long as you " GET
STARTED "
Watch this movie, especially when the detective is doing

meditation:
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This
should be a real eye opener!


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i chose this video for a reason!! the ppl in this video as you can
see arent your typical fluid crisp moving taichi ppl. this is to
show that you dont have to be the best to get started as long as
you " GET STARTED "
i appologize this was sent out before i was finished.
ok back to what i was saying, "AS LONG AS YOU GET STARTED"

all things will come together in the end. such as- when you learn to
acces your energy as you move i.e. shifting energy with leg
movments and the basic fajin application with your taichi/bagua
/xhing yi/or any other martial application that uses neikung is
what starts to move and eventually break the dantien free from its
mooring. this was my experience!! and dont be fooled neikung can
be used with any martial system not just what weve come to be
familiar with as internal martial arts...
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Peace
all the breath mechanics I explain, all the timing and focus,
diligent and sustained effort, streamlining of bodily processes.
if you dont get the breath mechanics down then its going to be
very hard to do this. if you dont spend enough time on it, it will be
impossible.
embryonic breathing conditions the guts and helps set up the

timing that will produce a result at the lower dt. if you cant make
it light up then you havent got the breath mechanics down, havent
sufficiently settled the heartmind, havent put enough time into the
technique.
once you've done enough for a real, tangible potential to be

seen/felt, you're starting to get somewhere.
but, if you cannot manifest a state of utter and complete stillness,

it will be like squeezing a sponge, plunging it into a bucket of
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water, and pulling it back out, without having relaxed the sponge
so that it will absorb the water, it'll only absorb a tenth of what it
could.
the amplitude of the energy generated is a function of

the depth of stillness you are able to attain.
its why I go around here beating the fundamentals drum all the
time. you dont get them down, forget about all this other crap.
Quote
3 Dantiens Microcosmic Orbit practice (http://thetaobums.com

/topic/28594-3-dantiens-microcosmic-orbit/)
laogong & yongquan breathing discussion

(http://thetaobums.com/topic/28049-laogung-breathing-
yongquan-breathing/)
breath mechanics q&a (http://thetaobums.com/topic/26641-

breath-mechanics-qa/)
great stuff guys! read it all!
Quote
There are six main lines of inner work in the human

body.
The plumb line from the top of the head to the genital
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region was termed by Master

Chongyang the "line of severance." When people who
practice inner work without the guidance of an
enlightened teacher easily produce distortion, it
comes out in this line; when they get fired up and
become demonic, that too comes out in this line.
The line from the "point where all meet" on top of the
head to the perineum is called the "line
of reflection." When one begins to cultivate this, it is
in front of the spinal column; then gradually it
shifts to within the spinal column itself. The line of
reflection also used to be called the "central
vessel" in ancient times. Practitioners do inner gazing
through it. It is sometimes hidden and
sometimes manifest; for people whose inner power is
pure and deep, it is manifest when in use and
hidden when not in use. There are also two vessels on
either side of the spinal column, referred to as
the left and right vessels.
The horizontal line through the three points known as
the "heaven," the "eye," and the
"opening" is in the head; this is called the "line of
essence." The opening of the eye to heaven was
originally called the heart of heaven, and also called
the stem of heaven. When people are just born,
there is a seam between the eyebrows; later on, as
they grow up, only a single hole remains. This hole
is different depending on the individual; some are
long, some are short. The heavenly eye opening is
properly called the opening of the eye to heaven. The
"opening" is in front, the "eye" is in the middle,
and "heaven" is in back. The "opening" can be treated
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with acupuncture, the "heaven" can reflect, the

"eye" is the nirvana chamber. The end of the line of
essence is the "jade pillow pass" at the back of the
head.
The line from the solar plexus to the midspine is called
the "line of power" or the "line of
strength." The line running back from the center of the
umbilical area is called the "line of preserving
life." To the left and right of this line are the kidneys;
this is the region of the "gate of life" or "door of
fate."
From 1.2 to 1.5 inches below the navel, running
inward toward the coccyx, a line can be
drawn when practicing cultivation; this is called the
"line of cultivating life."
In each place where the line of essence, the line of
strength, and the line of cultivating life pass
through is an elixir field. These are the upper, middle,
and lower elixir fields. The three lines go
through the elixir fields, and the three lines face the
three passes. When cultivating refinement, one
draws out the three lines; when energy goes into
motion, it easily breaks through the three passes.
Among these lines, the two vertical lines are bright
lines visible to inner gazing, while the four
horizontal lines are hidden and yet actually existent
routes. Besides these, there are two lines in space
at the edge of the external universe.
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who here is feeling extreme heat or orgasmic-like feeling

in the right laogong / daling points?
pulling on the right side of their LDT and a couple of

inches up from that area- on the right side?
who here is feeling extreme heat or orgasmic-like

feeling in the right laogong / daling points?
pulling on the right side of their LDT and a couple of

inches up from that area- on the right side?
Not feeling any orgasmic heat on the laogong/ daling.
The right and upper right quadrant of my LDT does feel like its
being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and hip
bone and at the same time, towards the upper right.
My perinium / floor is full of orgasmic heat, though
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being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and
hip bone and at the same time, towards the upper right.
You should do the 5 elements meditation instead of MCO to

balance the organs energy. This looks like the liver is overactive,
which may be due to spring but also if too much heat gathers in
the dantian will spread to the liver first.
Not feeling any orgasmic heat on the laogong/ daling.
being pulled to a point at the right in between my last rib and
hip bone and at the same time, towards the upper right.
My perinium / floor is full of orgasmic heat, though
The orgasmic feeling on the daling/ and right laogong point isn't
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heat.
It starts as heat- them later on, it feels like a totally weird

sensation.
You'll know when it happens.
Sounds like you are getting the lead up with the right quadrant
Split it at the Qi belt should there be a problem
Also if the problem gets out of control -strong Kriyas - I smacked

myself in the face falling asleep no lie lol:
Laogong point seems to sometimes ricochet off the Niwan, so

send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling Springs
send it down deep like we discussed with the

transmutation/sublimination
You should do the 5 elements meditation instead of MCO to

balance the organs energy. This looks like the liver is overactive,
which may be due to spring but also if too much heat gathers in
the dantian will spread to the liver first.
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What 5 Element meditation are you talking about, Andrei?
The orgasmic feeling on the daling/ and right laogong point isn't
heat.
It starts as heat- them later on, it feels like a totally weird

sensation.
You'll know when it happens.
Sounds like you are getting the lead up with the right
quadrant
Split it at the Qi belt should there be a problem
Also if the problem gets out of control -strong Kriyas - I

smacked myself in the face falling asleep no lie lol:
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send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling

Springs
send it down deep like we discussed with the

transmutation/sublimination
Alright, I will let you know if I start to feel that sensation.
What do you mean - getting the lead up with the right quadrant?
I feel like you are giving me advice about something we have not
talked about to this depth.
Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your advice such as-
split at the daimai- if it gets out of control strong kriyas, etc.
Thanks, SOTG
What 5 Element meditation are you talking about, Andrei?
It's in the book I recomended.
It is a basic technique of MantakChia school often disregarded.
It is more important than MCO because it is supposed to be done

before running MCO.
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That is why the energy you run through MCO should be balanced,
not hot, not cold. Should be both at the same time.
Should be a vibration which is the interaction between elements,

between Kan & Li, between Tiger & Dragon
It should be the Yin & Yang fused.
Before running through MCO the elixir should be already fused,

through 5 elements fusion.
The basic technique of 5 elements fusion is "inner smile".
Inner smile is the same as 5 elements is just making peace with

the spirits in the organs and emphasizing on virtues of each organ.
Before doing any neigong you should cultivate: kindness (liver),

compassion (heart), openess (spleen), courage (lungs) and
benevolence (kidneys).
This is the first step in neigong.
After you fuse the elements in dantian you should see a white light
in upper dantian.
After the white light becomes red-golden the elixir is supposed to

be run in MCO.
Because the golden elixir has all elements inside it fused together.
Until you achieve this everything you do you exacerbate whatever

you have inside.
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If you have anger you exacrebate anger. (liver)

If you have fear you exacerbate fear. (kidney)
If you have cowardice you exacerbate cowardice (lungs)
If you have worries you exacerbate worries (spleen)
If you have hatred you exacerbate hatred (heart)
The energy is the same, but if it is imbalanced it creates more

imbalances, especially when you push the pedal to the floor.
Use the brakes but pedal brakes not engine brakes and be careful
to the route signs and lights. When you see a red light you stop
and wait until you get a green light, then you can go further.
I thought it is in the Wang Lipings book?
It's in the book I recomended.
Yes it is, it is the first technique in the first chapter.
Awesome post and for anyone doing Maoshan 5 elements practice,

a handy reference as attuning to the virtues of each organ
(seemingly the most important aspect of the practice) is (strangely
absent) from the book.
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send: the laogong stream to LDT to perineum to Bubbling
Springs
it suuure does
Alright, I will let you know if I start to feel that sensation

What do you mean - getting the lead up with the right
quadrant?
"the flow" is going correctly, for this to begin
eventually the LDT "appears?" to solidify- in the area around

that right quadrant
I have to "be careful" what I say and reveal on a Public Forum- but
in Email we can discuss it.
Also, my cell phone #, should emergencies arise- day or night
I TAKE THIS STUFF SERIOUSLY
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I feel like you are giving me advice about something we have not
talked about to this depth.
On another thread- we discussed should emergencies arise where

energy gets out of hand, threatening, etc- always ground it
efficiently- Bubbling Springs down 6 feet of earth
Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your advice such

as- split at the daimai- if it gets out of control strong kriyas, etc.
Thanks, SOTG
Qi flow splits @ Dai Mai- goes up
If it starts to become too hot, threatening etc,
@ LingTI/mid-back-between scapula- it flows to back of arms

@tricep-
turn it at elbows- it reverses back to where the tricep is- and back
down the same route- bring it down the back/spine
it will cool this way
magnetic- like reverse MCO
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the reason you turn it back on itself at elbows is because if the

energy is too hot, etc we do not want it running across biceps-
arm pit, pectorals into heart area
if it is already too hot

-once it hits the solar plexus tan tien it will light up even hotter
Can you give me a bit of reference as to what your

advice such as- split at the daimai- if it gets out of
control strong kriyas, etc.
Thanks, SOTG
This picture almost shows you how to "cut-the-cords" lol
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it suuure does
what's with the blue diagonal line? I used to feel sucking like
sensation or something feeling electric at that long tubelike
structure. I think just one side. Maybe left, or right.
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it suuure does
Relation to solar flare?
"the flow" is going correctly, for this to begin
eventually the LDT "appears?" to solidify- in the area around

that right quadrant
I have to "be careful" what I say and reveal on a Public Forum-

but in Email we can discuss it.
Also, my cell phone #, should emergencies arise- day or night
I TAKE THIS STUFF SERIOUSLY
On another thread- we discussed should emergencies arise

where energy gets out of hand, threatening, etc- always ground
it efficiently- Bubbling Springs down 6 feet of earth
Ok, I gotcha!
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Thanks for clarifying, SOTG.
I will keep an eye out on the changes going on.
I do feel a kind of ball at the right quadrant, an inch or two to the

right of my navel.
I remember now, yes, when it gets hot/ dangerous, bring it down

to LDT, penis base, HuiYin, Yongquen, 10 feet into earth then back
to LDT.
what's with the blue diagonal line? I used to feel sucking like
sensation or something feeling electric at that long tubelike
structure. I think just one side. Maybe left, or right.
Qi flow splits @ Dai Mai- goes up
If it starts to become too hot, threatening etc,
@ LingTI/mid-back-between scapula- it flows to back of arms

@tricep-
turn it at elbows- it reverses back to where the tricep is- and

back down the same route- bring it down the back/spine
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it will cool this way
magnetic- like reverse MCO
the reason you turn it back on itself at elbows is because if the

energy is too hot, etc we do not want it running across biceps-
arm pit, pectorals into heart area
if it is already too hot

-once it hits the solar plexus tan tien it will light up even hotter
Thanks for explaining.
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I gave this route a go and I did feel a bit cooler. It felt nice.
I will remember this incase I get some problems.
My heart does already feel full....Although, maybe it needs to be

pushed over to purge...pivot excess
That DaiMai...its such a vital aspect to stimulate. In Wild Goose

1st form, there is a large focus on stimulating the Daimai channel
through shaking/ rotating / pivoting from the Daimai.
Now my DaiMai feels kinda like water sloshing about, with some
heavyness to it.
Relation to solar flare?
not really...
a buddy of mine, I taught this to...very heart centered dude, has

some palm vibration even though he hasnt really officially
cultivated much (in this lifetime anyway) so ok, when you have
this energy you need to dissipate and its heart stuff, send all that
to your palms and make them bright and hot, then face them to
the ground and womwomwom that way, then, bring to ldt and
womwomwom
but really, projecting through laogung or sword finger comes from

the wisdom eye, niwan. that's one reason even though max
dropped the old man pointing at somethinsomethin in favor of the
red sun, I kept doing that #2 exercise (that is still part of Jenny's
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system) because of the niwan-3eye-swordfingertip connection.

eeee teeee glow
Can you explain more about this? haha
Can you explain more about this? haha
yes, all explained soon, although partially, already
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