THE BODY YOU WANT k1z KOTZ INTERVIEWS JUDITH BUTLER ‘Boys as ahora and glamorous gis, gis as macho and very swshy boy, ae by in whiteface Ini’ clothes: “identity bending,” key Modernist {rope since atleast Marcel Duchamp (and perennial staple f the cabaret and Porformance scenes), seems tobe enjoying a renaissance of sorts in the gallery ‘world From Matthew Bamey’s bide sipped bare to reveal a gym-pumped, ‘ecidety male" physique, to Chuck Nanney’s lesethanvigantseftrane- formations (he loks ikea Rocky Mountaln logger in a shift fom Saas), to Lyte [Ashton Hara’ seductive gender/race crag, tothe decidedly fey personas of goatee and sidobursporting demimonde-denizen Ambrose Plrce (also known ‘28 Tash), a range of exhilarating instabilities are being mapped in the cunent rofentin of crossdressing, transvestism, and cross gender Identification. Informed by averse strands of ertical theory, politica miltany, and pop: utara! investigations, these playful explorations of Koni and desire reflect ‘he wespread reinterpretation ofthe relations between sexuality, power, and dents that has occured over the ptt decade. Key othe broader dlscussion ls the work of Judith Bul A philosopher by ‘raining, Butler professor at the Humanities Contr of Joti Hopkins Univer, though I the footnotes sho has chalked up in this publeaton alone ‘are any indication, she is oe a those rare academics whose work is making ‘ripples wll beyond the confines of the Ivory tow. Since tho pullation of hor ‘bok Gender Trouble: Feminism and the Subversion of entity, in 1980, Eute’s ‘work has become synonymous witha new wave of fini theory that ques- ‘Hons rgd elchotomies of gender, challenging the core assumptions of Wentty police, ncuding the very notions of sexual Monty upon which gaybra- ‘onst projects have historlally boen based. Working through texts by a host of ‘major Z0th-centuyfgures—Sigmund Freud, Jacques Lacan, Michel Foucault, ‘Simone de Beauvos, Luce Irigaray, lla Krlstova—Butler rigorously Intarrogates ‘the necessity of fixed, Immutable gener Kents, Examining dag, buteh- femme relations, eossrescng, and transsexual as practices of prod rop- ‘tton and imitation that challenge the hegemonic heterosexual regime, open Ing tt possible subversion, resistance, and resignfication, sho at the same {ime cations against understanding the realm of fantasy and representation a domain of psychic foe pla,” unencumbered by relations of social power. Wie asked Liz Kot, a New York-based witr and regular contibutor to Artforum with her ear decedly tothe ground where queer cultural prac- tices are concemed, to visit Butler at her home in Baltimore and report back tous. To accompany the text, we assembled images of work by 2 andl of contemporary artists, not by way of lustation but rather as asus! supplement. Inthe wide-anging decussion that follows, Gut adresses a range of esues, including her ital involvement and eventual dssatafaction with identity-based feminsms caught inthe impli bind of exposing men's oppression of women without challenging essential “masculine” and “feminine” identi. Cautioning against tho oblt- craton of “the ethical distinctions between fantasy, representation, and action,” she decries the polling of desire by antporn feminists tke Andres Dworkin. Considering not only the abuses but the uses of pornography, Butler Insists onthe political necessity of safeguarding the circu. latin of fantasy—a position of particular Importance in ight of recent debates around First Amendment rights, sexually exit images, and lesbian and gay soltrpresentation. tack Bankowsky with Liz Kotz Ue ot’ artis i apearin he ortbeming ntein Quter Lok, Str Suxprs utr nts Lakin? amin & PoroaabyLis ote Your work is enomeusly popular among ‘younger omit, lesions andy peopl, and pee ‘He inva wth vrous Kins of gonae stv. Jt ter | ted hg Gondor Toe 3s an > {erogaon a the dep helerosensm of most frst ‘hor |i howe the ook a or stag ta nists, 98 skin of emonton and chang. Ae {rts of the way Insti fost communis be Came so insted paling names the aus ‘ton oferty Toa te geous pong seed Ine uy poston ws ate cotusr o pose ‘alle straight woman on th 18509 of compulsory Pe fentiy meant certain noon gaya esta dn. ‘One of te things that cv and Queer Nation have ‘ko nave eno ato! venues fr paeciaton, we — ¢ Cail ‘We production of ri thas er Sat obeys org tk Ta you sey card when ou 0 to anscrve ect, rma litle tired of being queer. ‘Somebody called me the other day and asked me to g> to a conter- fence, and I sald, “Well, 'm not ‘queer anymore,” and of course | ‘am totally queer, as it were, and hhave been since | was 16, but | ‘want to deconstitute myself as ‘queer. | mean, it’s hard being ‘queer 100 percent of the time, ‘and | do like Hegel sina problems with that ton of teatctty, wth {he kins of conformity it cor entree tinge sft, tat ws platy abe sti think ‘here's someting enortart nthat neon of aioe ‘trough now ae that oar uct the unde term tat sought be. And ley orang ound ‘os nas to go bye the satis of heats Teas. Whats ers 9 088 Rao, though ho Yeuner poole seemed tobe crave the Goesbiy ot 1c T wonder now how Gender Toul ising ety rpeience tor memay of, the any bed ‘motes of omit jou introgate. J Wel, er isa bad readin. which unos x the this: oan get up in the moe, look i ny chose, fd decide when ander want ob today cen ee ita piece of ctr and chon my Een, si ‘than that even an ohange gan ana besore tring raaly ete, so tha wnat ou gee someting Ingo aang on a gender sa hind ot canauariyetberatoy 98's an oj ut ere, whan my Sey maf seais esses nt ne Fermaty is nota chea a ent whan tere: |e fished wi anata anc Whe | pe fags ato age ying to refit the re ton ef gener pertemanc esorething te ste Pertormatity hast with ropstitn, wy oon wth ‘to ropation ot oppressive and pat ganda orn 2 force tom to rest This at Rede, but a ques tion fh t work he ap thet oe iret 1 T's twubing en certalncategries youve ater tated he "gender tation” or sversive pred” _gotuted in completly te oat waa, Anthing con be soen a uve pry because fs one” 10 ima’ not ten eng tea hm work athe et raison pores he tonsa rermaty hat goers ‘Sender. wa tyra trope pa neo Beir nplcated mn he ver Toms of Done tat ne sty opposes, ed ying to unrstnd ft hind oF geney might be dane en hat ton, ne at 1s neve tet ere's no poston eee pave, rd fn that wayne th Foca Out don i tat ‘nears ores dering by oes, ‘Uctow do we talk about pod repetition orice ‘ion as a ale ples ax mcr project? How do ou detarmio what conatites subversive opeion? ‘o trow wtatar someting ubreehe.Subvree + took the feminist critique ‘of pomography very seriously in the early '80s, but then became very fully persuaded that It was absolutely wrong... . people lke Andrea Dworkin... actually believe that pictures have the ower to form psyches and desires, and to produce actions in ‘an almost behavioristic way... - she wants to police not only repre- sentations but the ways people think, desire, and fantasize; she wants to obliterate the ethical dis- tinetions between fantasy, repre- sentation, and action. rec sn someting tat can bo gouged o alates, ‘hat ar nese, tat fr # cop to subvert of etreseual hoger ths oath rime ara spac scone Bd ot aang ‘mata in ene Urgsons fn Pais urn {hat a tof tn mining actrees the gender ideals: reidstzes hem —rectctaes tht hog Socurents forme, sin he “hoe” ttre, were thor are “ethers” and elem and ne shin ‘agement tut ls depaee em nd ada recon textalze thamn a ey tat crates o rehire oF Kinship or tat uns anh ito anton extended (eto What a "nouso"?Ahove is te paste you peat subversion ot houses: that's ‘cual what fd atte nth fim, arose te hag scones. nk that may have made 8 mistake by sn oa os te example of partons becuse ara for perforata that's he eas. 1 time; the thatthe tn predoes an exlaraton ‘tr cenaturlang gender, especialy wen toys"8 batr than thos WC Yet the ea of denatrataation en be eed ‘ey tonal level the noon tata ended. J Yet aezep he tea at genre impason- ‘ton, tht beconng gendered aves ipersonsng ‘neal tat nobody Sealy ina, and na where ‘Because sya postions "ran," oman”—ae never nhtited ny ayane ana thas wnat dees ‘hom as symbole! they adel urimaiabe nd Jetthey hove enomeve force od irk ti were to teas be Laranian symbolic to unos, | ‘rudd probs stow tam Paris Burin. Hou want {o ow what he etal urinnabtabo dels wo, thor is But Pink's importante aka stp further Rs nol one o expose an eal a unt thle, cele hove to be alee sp asses and feartalated hore hast be a hoeush retsnkng ot th volnce ote gender ia. Tat's whore | dart ‘ane ten 1 be eye er Lacan 1s Ad oa mar trade! pychosnatl ek ‘km thot by the eat "80s had gotten enormously ‘Stuck around the wee question of sexual erence. 2 Wel thet nas precsey wha was mong wih thet ‘od ou leew: "Yeu ty to defy he Law oth father, a the Law sos you ane suber you aga. You {ant resi oyu an rit but youl nly be de ‘eoted booase the Smbolc will ener te Tat ‘more seucnal payooanaiic med nay cae 25 ‘eal important courte cram Inerionst ers of ‘here wn panded on te ber at you cou _sstovertvow a natip lau end nap anseond {order On te other Na, he ty of We Law ro fice s hind of htoronow! patho: Twat eo be ie to dese another woman tat the Symbol am 1 That was especialy tue of th Bish reading, one ‘hat came ot of certain Inteletul also com text that wos realy al about paying withthe edges of otreseruaty bet ever ctl leaving that reine. 2 But what ult Mot was sayhg i Pycboarads {mina was very ke. you're not gang be ale to thnge he sbuctire of sonal oof o pajcho aire Dehra knaniparargererts. Tee we constants ‘hot are oneonecs; he Wace fer anh age mors pasctin te payee Ai tira’ i et ‘of poge hav roan evra sce of roe os, nj ser that thay eran hon worst ‘erymtat he opresor hes win as mechanism of ‘ormont pie ssjeton fr whereas pyenasnay- ss offered meatoney aot osdrens th, te "rucuas oft sncansoous bec prlerieay feed, S01 actualy soo moot as taking seo of et Cig fo ave erator ew, btu stay ‘nth the pees and dtets fhe Lacsrin poste, 1 Bo you think Gonder Trouble wil ever be ea by ‘the stralgnt peyehoanaytle feminists whose work tows on? Seen eeres 0, ter ecg the that a numberof ‘frat peasy ferints wo watt oop the plac of seu eferorce as te comer ofa theory ‘on inthe payehoanne fomulsin of sexu fr ‘ce than that wi ean ta ay stile ought take ter where fein studles ge was. So tee re 9 rumter of pose, aa | thin that ano alphas out thsin pr, who eve “ano” ehar was tha wor ho eed that eo or queer studes is opi emis 1 Wasa that to sort of arity occasioned by “men in minian'? Tat we hao hs smal pace now In he ‘seadamy, anime dots we wl x J Wel one might neo at fer ones, andthe ‘ttt une the ve tervals: corer feroniam mit have a ge wo sinsstence ona ge tevbosed sujet postion. Bi my own purpose hes tient wor etneen feminism at "que sts,” ra cual o moe ot nt quesions oar, ad to ‘rte to we thooe cannes, am nt a al i terete in defen “quottheor” er having tbe Something which sn oppostion to fein would ‘Stuy he to ae feminism esrkete gt oF ‘se of ose calrgos, js ast has boon Fred to om lit ofthe cbalerges tat women of cle Pa inthe 0s. Yet oron tat catlong ts boom cod ‘round tho ki of analysis tat Kebers Mercer Armed th “marta” of racy, easy, gender” Much otis course of “utp identities” has become uit tuck within a stp radio! Kn of ony potties.| 2m Wo | inkn sore res tha’s rue, where people Just stand up ana mt is appessons, an think ‘hat hay nao 3 st oy being represetve. Bu ‘hrk thre ae ear poopie Merce, Pl Cry, Pata Witana, Hortense Spile,ond Kimbo Crenshaw fer eae to ae into ‘ink race on seat together, at ach some bret interesting avostons stout what mgt mean © ave oe's sexy eros teugh ace under Stand eros suit a ez. Tat questonig s ‘ery afore rm gating up and main oleany eovct it, witout otal tng th oatensp De tween te varou Mette thet re enero. | et bv tat ence, ao, sexuay Mare obo Ices ink that hae vector of pe 1 How do you dst with your ow estonship to aca. ‘en nations? 1 Tnver ware have a purely acacom etwas tuys mpotnt ore to be prof oer conn tis ts boon ver od at wth he sues of Gondor Tvl, my ie has coe mere sade, and acts ory abou te agemie domestenton of bath Sonik ee ay ctiral paces, Tar's a get eat ‘hat asad can loan om prtaranee ad heatee nd pining Buen the pretoesbeobra Sc ‘om arate thoy er oflon become domesteto by Scademe nome of respects ery hard ten utr to co someting tring win an sedenic one no nave the cstuing element yur Wok ome ways marae yy aeodoni rasp. Trever soup to be respctbe | Noneversnays ‘pose wet 08 obo overt ad mascot title Ive, en eal ate antiestettr nth rae of oii. Alo of poole wo ae potty sca have oan angry wh me because my Works dans oa Cult trond toot ri {Uc Thee fs that cence of “Wel why do you ned iohackta Hager" 55 Wil do nat go bck to Hego to cantbuts ‘ty hav bon ead plospty singe | was 14 and ‘ul love ost own wh Splnrs's Ee and wt ‘ommentares that no one woud evr Yad A dot ‘rant have to uty that oaroey | tiki inpetant to prs intaletal quests hat cannot ‘boron jsited rough ade or rele eo. tonto ples. don mar to hk aay nero tothot tandarg, and wry about De ft on tiling nat eueh sr notion of pale scout yg he rat of people td hams in vey par teal postons. "me ile te of bang ae Sormoyellod me tha a day end asked me 0 #0 to's onferenos, an Is,“ m not quer any tore” and of cure | oy aero wee, ond fhe boon since | was 36, bt want to deco reef as quer moar,’ hard boing eet 100 per ent of the ne, ae dole Hoge R's par fox me {hot wrote» whale book cling ino ost entgre commas of ty pot so seng posed to that poles, gets taken up by that mechinery. 1 And is intresting hove the gay ates comme. rity oth changes ad partes of his ot dont pots 48 Yes, es, aed thee are huge erences amon sting tat he San Fania lesbian and oy stds ord peopl aude nei. Eiger tare wee & ented og to tho women’s ems, ed the sueston el "Whats a woman?” The Mhigan Woman's onus de Beawor sid roby eer mas foun ex treme iterestig that ho radeal feminist poston was rneconelstie wth te wansgerdeed ono, an at, ‘Seo mata tn hee oe, 5 trying {ate hoe kinds o atts. actualy tink at the ‘holo question of "Whats 9 nama” ought toe ep pen as aueston. wuld bo ages stone fr tem opi insets Tete ner ht grris9 ‘Soma ofthe ctfteseneging rom ent pot tes can be wares ote preven feton thet you ‘hing was @retusal to accept that equation. He really vartd the dan of dere ad sews to be sepre xenon fy vag pry cones od there's smating ah aout ad ot go foe from questions of semvalpretce. my rot sure that aye 00) knows how to aco fr tc sen pastes, an ey wore abl to za for tet sa prac ro. Someone ie Leo Barn hs red thet ee awe a pits whi wing cy or, ot as. toe [Uc But with Feucout, you have someoae who resisted ‘he assumption of ay int, 0 way tat wa since tage ng identity, Ho aso wated sexusty 1 be preciely hod an aost opin ath in tho dsttilzng power of Suaty 30 that tou Dean ey semaly you woul actualy be ovauatig sexniy of everthing tat was exatng about dnt se Him 9 homophot "soe people do, ana the un his wrk toward the | think | may have some uncritical ‘modernist notion of what can happen in esthetio space, where the play of identification can be in- terrogated with accountability sus- pponded, and that kind of work ex- cites me. gt meant acts care nese, ar to ee 1c Teal sure me that ste good ton yars of ors questioning relatone of ender eax, ‘and erty, now se a rrungnce of wnat sere {ke a ory '7Oestye fern around sent, with tho return to very ny way of tang abe gender andthe power rations of genes the increible insurgence of women of cole inthe "608 ‘at napponetrerveryhng thet nape in the "03, and en st to” 1 Macon was ove onthe ove fhe Sunday Times Magacna "en dist ot se estegaiI ery e Places of power, sees women ae away in fstons of Feito powaresoness, as vez who then ony et 2 Sam poe reg ean tha tea ey sorship on the rt, fo srybocy who cares about, Diet Dased on avery antsyenaute ndecana UC Very much about the ballet fixed gener post ra work And thar's no way to think about nes om invest ‘montin hese power eet the entre domain of {he pees erage, or wares payches ar ning but sounesofvalaton Othe other and though gr ftom elations of socal power. However, hat etsythot ae ocean the cocoon of Sructses Hor oink he rb ofthe wasn whch otasy 1X Tm eos Row ome those eay'80e debates around poragony and sexu repecotaton wor {ome of your om wor 20 tery much so. yng ik owt arom or Sa a i so rey ‘iy permdod at kas eeobte wg nee te snr it re ese hve ow fem is rd aon no Dut the ways pose tink, dese, and ans; che ata eame tthe airs i as macho predic ult rund sexaty a ena fray es Iainsveam ature around that ny on Bin i some ways wes vy much opposes to wat forms was reseing te tn, Te ergo of sex rdeatsm—inrg tous) eats of pore and Sexual we ash compen he bt ene tcharge—ves very nprtant oe, thou eae tebe abr otha mower 2 wel On be cause | thnk tha sey etn ey oa Somoi orth spit Hoey or neces tones nado thn out ete sls of pola iki the way tha as become for soe beetle. One otha. he sexrcal mas hx Een taken op nvr inpatat ways y ADS eae ton adores, nth wrk of Cy Paton or stnce and in repeat antsocory a, 8s wea In defend ing ara eto rts gant he NA 1 Your plece on Mapleton frences ok the Hens Amendmont nd gt wing ers toe tate the pantasmati nthe ces ot fantasy tect orate the unconelous” Thi vay te tna whee you expt ters por, and yt itscoms to bein the bekgrond of Genser own 12 Rea ore doy eta 1 Wal hat soso ofthe pose dst and {o aiterent kind of heterosexual presentation, ating orography—o" the relation of leeian readers ‘toy male pom, for hat mato Say 8 opposed ko ‘rom that Kind of thera format reading of pomagra: thy where wet you acd foo mae ogress Samahow more acoauntbla” thnk tare's avery ny reading of porography that ses thatthe woman 1 the man con be anpwhere ond thet tessa pos ‘one that anyone can hail and tdooen' depend pon eetan body typo area anatomy. 48 thee woul go ofr abt ay tat ely heed ‘or porogeay abe erate wiessaeounaty ‘then nomena ctr looks but eo ore ties as “bod copes" of salt caused |i tt that’s fale to reed he stir, ton sc aera dents are nat jut mimetic or opresentatona in Same singe sense: they con erplyed or eepoyed pease to produce» set of reonngs th te st recs forthe wayin whch fis to caespnd to 1 Not eniy have you argued quite compen that ‘heres an enarmous amount of instal, Youve also Intrrogated gay ety pois by questioning re ‘say what it mea tobe gi, and suggesting theo tent to wich gaynecs taf i nent igsted within eteroserualty—rgung against the “spec Aci” “autonomy” or “auton” of 2 certain Kind fleabian subjectivity or fomale sexual. 28 Arun pen oat te agi oon fost uth steno an caterer ery, “here a til mary aos (Seon Wey parton sf who tank tat pote sciviem doen on a ery ‘urs they appear to be copy wos peste, gues woul 97 that epesontaton unos he me way pomograshy thew’ no way of fang mean eon ok you can nos rom en le way. Wha teresting ro I tom hse nes 9 Sesto, 6 ey resin tgs ‘wat can be wot fam them Poretapy eae re laters etl power, bt the relang santas mate ord ot moti In soe ways poe “ep reser" unnhabltatepostrs,rysetole el, and pores or hed sense of eon fare. Prrnogapny ecu toes hon, erent noon ofthe gy suet. mink he ages ane of cis in 3 song steno an hia ub Jeeta he bates the prduion of ii, a Tectv sublet scenery or police etter, not atl sure tat cts requires sunt queer sujet. There ae gore tbe people wih eel ‘is has to be affmed. An the trnsgendorcommuny along salsa one Uist poople ae gone tha ‘hn about, even tou some aay prolife iss ar quite apposed the scour of anager {UC How do you adres tat in your own work? Gender Trouble secre to embrace tat cheng. Yet the most recent article aferences, “Te estan Pals nd the Moraga magia” pane ‘soomed to step back tom tat tl40 aay? | eu at was my most renssen piece. Me pit rere wa hath ord oe 3 & an Kiran etna ee ‘ey of bia te otha eee rican, he te is ostesby werent nstarces 1 Yet since you so emphasize the potential forthe ‘hantasmatie transformation of the by, he ponte Imate constuction ofthe be, one could perhaps take an argument tat the decision to seta {trough mele! procedures of ranseonuaty weld rest ona "aie™ fea of the hoy as ground oro onder enty some natraaod wae the bey Ss causative of ose. im not sures realy such Biz tog rm, a, wordng ou tthe ym or ‘vo tours ay to atu aking homone pts oF un organ uit ntarvertlon tr understanding esse core gece cies = ‘a vor conserve gender roms tht repr ‘nrtcaly in some rial dscouses end practices fsmvenng wansseualy. But what shes me a ex tremely irorsting tat has ery mundane soroo of venssaualty hat mast people who foarae fanaa ta do wih te poset of ease ener Searation that the has lag anit fn theory, ecnse hey pesume that wren who watch Mort Mowoo are etpirg wth ex,and a's jist ot (Orth thy ae ating tera hough ety Ing ith te male gaze” Thee heteoseit ae 1 That dete an ntietion are mutual xcs. 1 nts ag problem hat har een orate oy ‘redox os of paytaanay. Unk hat what hp pene incre gendered etfexion i extra Htor ‘sng sna could be undersoos ens earn wih {ransom 8 tet woud mse nse i bythe paces of cnerent ger i eae taro |umeturos between pleasures an bay pate tat eonssxuals may experene, ad hen nit tat ts {snot nite to clearcut canes of “conor depot’ ‘or any sort of medeal estos, bt fe pat of ny oops’ everday ies, You eso that asa npngott mt forth lea thatthe atu marpcogy ef the bodys aways phantasmate ant avays mana ve appreciate your wings te question the loa ‘at tare Ie something eal “he fra body” tat to lesan have the “same” bh tural enforcd effect I don tink t's gen that fon the basis of gen anatomy anette tat hs tobe punished, viv troueh shame what can happan in athot space, whare the ey of Joerreation ean be tareogate nth ccountabilty suspended, ang that ib of work ects me. The 1 sometimes fn your work sympathy wth Kab ‘Stvermon's, tht tea of he arBument forthe f- Ile Wortication with masoainity—the undertone Ing that worme’s relation ofan ot masochism may need tobe mediated trough male ropresnta- ‘lone—in The Acoutle Mor: The Female Vice Imasociem a fninzed asculty nMale Subject atthe Margins Whats your ration to 2 Tim ineostd Init She's certain mae tadonaly Peyctonnaile han lan. think tet hat she oes ‘nth he notion ofthe phatase, tying tink ‘hroug the eaten payconnaes ooo soon She tends o thine hover, tht st pos ‘ions re ore fed win the aye hen do nid 1 She's much more lvoe reading of gayness 235 a rversal runing of hatereseualty, one hat ‘ooan'trealy engage the wor gay theotts have ‘done around the istrel development a a) Wentti nme exten IB in she nod wr hist at cea Shasteston nt mye try of aeeoe Se tnkin ne soe ng tan ne ites ot ey pats ha poe oe ‘ate nota ese ec a ma Dero gmymerwoud Bopper case ‘toy cat vay hate mao teen teen ovata tn gece my beech {melon hate example yo your mn ‘ot wate its mse nitoms, on te, Sr fecha renin rt maroon a mre fom a ms are 2 Twente the tan ne ttn eos om tam fn es Oa Ge ana Tey were rar > tno omg, hr eto, Oo ‘ata aperture sechoncotan ten etyogn ond ‘eco yt et at ry Someday oy utcn Son et ea ages men tral, ween’ colonels Sn eee re a fae ara Onin ae soy at ws ‘Say tae m wer cee tes ny med by tone, fresh cane si oa Seite aon {xo come out ing th “70, 12, oa ay enya nn ered scant Somer ft oenaton Pome ‘row nig wou none mine wen coat stateot WS "ctr Se eet can partir wo ae te a, in et oni DT wast te th Core Morey ar ter Heth Sn a, ‘oun Rest, hve een ely portant me Ooty Anon es soumoytrathe ey gee ceed, Tel hte been tye seo ce wr at ee the emstn fe te ps, ‘Rtumectthctyerve tom pny ‘hoa tag at nt et oy 0 Jour poeta ters he eran prope ‘Snr tran et mcs tppriad nt eo 18st er wo as a regs tron azn nx cn str to ato 1988, So any way 8 mt on on iam ese eee ones we wt — post me, he Me a 02,398. pr ry interested in Hegel and ane ad German elm ‘rd onto Germany ona Fugit tego herent a the sare tine tt ce a a ‘erie part of esti crus, a eatin causes en fomissm ad ibs. nen hat ete W's rata as stay snared to wee ‘on gol | want a Ard wh wets ann Hg wae ‘si andthe rltenship beeen dente and ecoEy- ‘on, nd wheter dose wae n some snes aye 8 > ‘re forrengnton an nm ti wring stot. Three 8 whole sit toward psyehownalsi and {te oton of vpetiion in you wor, via the vaaings ‘Pret ad Laan. Where that ging now? J tink. n Gordo oe te chaps on Feud ‘ard Lacan i ot gat oh forward it the el hap tes, and mary people gt te a chapters a ok | peers ed ag ne so ook exe ‘Gee Tht pele the back promt ee Bly to work on Froud and aan,povever, e's ‘rear ard ten tees he succor rca Bun, sot nat ao ah nappy Wat want {oe tos?” projet. The prose is that n't ‘eewar the paycoanaiic mien te eceson of erent wel eaigh Ihe et eos an tort ‘o ink portomathy trough peeheanats end aso {0 show whe tank ott of yen} re tertaty ent Bocs Tat Mate, otk ‘qucsons of matay,becase mary people sa “We ee Eender—f a eal dence sca aly constructee—en what appens tothe maenay ft body, Ju?" There's elas uy here at the fd “You cart ely bee that here's wo bey ‘ey, en you?” Sotto ake sore arguments ‘bout tho statu of material and to dayton ‘hon of pctrmatvy dort scaly te abou par rag ver ues ta about etatlenalty. 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