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1 NOTE: The identification of the voices on these
audio recordings was provided to me by Daniel
2 Cragg, Attorney, as being Jean Robinson and
Ruben Lopez.
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6 MS. ROBINSON: But the bottomline is that
7 that's Bob's scheme, that's what they're trying to do,
8 and so Bill Coleman -- so I go to Bill after my two
9 and -- the meeting actually went overtime, my
10 two-and-a-half-hour meeting. It started at 10:30 and
11 went to 12:00 something. I said -- I go to him, and I
12 say, so why didn't you tell me that the lynch mob was
13 going to -- he said, well, I told you to watch your
14 back, because he did. He said, I told you to -- you
15 need to watch your back because these guys want you
16 gone and they want you out, and -- and Bob is going to
17 facilitate that, and they're working with Bob to do
18 it. I said, yeah, but you didn't tell me that they
19 were going to beat on me for two -- he said, well, I
20 didn't know that. And I don't know if he knew it or
21 he didn't. He just was conspicuously absent, quite
22 frankly.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I wish I would have been in
25 there because, you know, and he went through that

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1 whole thing, and I just looked at him. I go, okay.
2 So then he said to me -- well, as he's talking to me
3 about it, he says, and, you know, Rick Beaman is
4 really going to lead the charge, you know.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I think he calls him -- he said,
7 Bob's buddy Numb Nuts is going to lead the charge for
8 Bob.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: I said, oh, I said, I see he's
11 going to be the next chair, that's all very
12 convenient, and he just looked at me. Well, Rick
13 walked in while we were sitting there talking.
15 MS. ROBINSON: He literally walked -- I could
16 see. So Bill tried to change the conversation or
17 whatever. Well, this was before the board meeting.
18 So then there was round two of the -- so -- so, by the
19 way, after the one committee meeting, this is just a
20 funny, funny thing that you'll love, Steve Katsurinis,
21 who, you know, is part of this and is trying to
22 orchestrate and tell them what they need to do and say
23 don't worry about all this OIG stuff and all that,
24 he's sitting in the -- in the restaurant. I walk up
25 to him, and so he's sitting there, he's working

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1 busily. He's got two laptops open, you know. And I
2 walk up to him, and I say: You want to join -- you
3 being antisocial? What's the matter, you don't want
4 to join the lawyers? Because it was me and Mayling,
5 right?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and it was so funny, Ruben,
8 because I was just trying to be -- actually, I mean,
9 I can't stand the guy, but I was just being cordial.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But here's what was so funny.
12 When I walked -- whatever he was looking at on his
13 computer, he dropped the whole tablet. I mean, it was
14 like -- it was like -- if you would have seen it, it
15 was like something out of a movie. It was pretty
16 funny.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
18 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and I said, whoa, whoa,
19 you okay, man? I mean, because all I did was walk up
20 behind him and I put my arm on the back of his chair
21 and I said -- you know, I said, hey, you know,
22 you're -- you know, I know you don't like lawyers, or
23 what's the matter, you being antisocial?
25 MS. ROBINSON: And when he looked up, he just --

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1 I mean, like I said, he almost lost his whole tablet,
2 because he dropped it, he fumbled. And so Mayling
3 looked at me and said, what the hell was that about?
4 I said, well, apparently he thought I was looking at
5 whatever the hell he had on his screen, but I wasn't.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: I said, but, god, you talk about
8 guilty.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So, anyway, the way it went was so
11 they tried that and now they're trying to lay the
12 groundwork, and they got a couple of motions in the --
13 in the board book which will -- they think will
14 implicate me in some way or implicate legal or the --
15 they're just trying to get Bob the proper
16 documentation so that in January when this thing is
17 up, I mean, I forget the date, but whenever my
18 contract is up, that he can come in -- you know, he
19 can call me in and do his thing.
20 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And then they pretty much got a
22 clear shot, because they brought some new people on
23 the board, never even heard of these people, they've
24 got some new advisors, never heard of them, and what
25 they're doing is bringing in sort of private citizens

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1 like Bob Turner.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Like whom? Oh, like Bob Turner, yes.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Like Bob Turner.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: You know, like people like that
6 who are not connected with the CRP, etcetera,
7 etcetera, but -- but it's still part of their program.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Of course.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And so that's what they're going
10 to do, and then Bob -- so then they give me five days
11 to come up with this -- I said, well, I already gave
12 Scott, I already gave the OIG whatever disclosures I
13 had, and I promised to get him the rest of them. So
14 they were like, well, yeah. You know, they want to
15 just shift blame at this point.
17 MS. ROBINSON: And it's an orchestrated attack
18 with Rick Beaman and Kivitz and Yarnell, I guess.
19 And, see, here's where it's going to be rough. Bill's
20 last meeting is March.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And then Paul Atkinson, who, like
23 I said, is part of the mastermind and has sold his
24 soul to all this --
25 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.

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1 MS. ROBINSON: -- in exchange -- he's clearly one
2 of the insiders and clearly has gotten a
3 disproportionate number of opportunities, grants, you
4 know, and he -- you know, he makes no bones about
5 making public speeches that, you know, we ought to
6 pound the detractors like you guys into the ground and
7 that, you know, he's not happy with -- he said, all
8 lawyers are trying to do is get paid and cause
9 litigation. I said, we're not trying to cause
10 litigation, but, you know, you guys have so much of
11 it.
13 MS. ROBINSON: So when it came time for my
14 report, I could tell by Mike Kivitz and -- what they
15 do is they get in there and they have their -- like
16 their Blackberries or their smartphones and their
17 computers, and then they just send messages across the
18 room, okay, your turn, your turn, and they literally,
19 you know, do that and take turns.
20 So they set me up so bad during my report. What
21 happened was, I started to give my report, then I got
22 to a part that had nothing to do with investigations
23 or litigations, but had to do with the EEOC claims.
25 MS. ROBINSON: And that's when Carol Lowman, who

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1 I can now tell has joined the pack, and this is not
2 personal for them, they're just on a mission, I mean,
3 she said, well, Jean, I don't mean to pick a fight
4 with you publicly, but this information, your report
5 is -- is useless, and it's -- it's too long, and we
6 don't need to know this stuff, we don't want to know
7 this stuff.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
9 MS. ROBINSON: So I said, so you don't want to
10 know that -- what litigation is on the horizon and
11 why. Well, that puts me in a weird position because I
12 feel like as your counsel I've got to tell you.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
14 MS. ROBINSON: We don't want to hear it. So then
15 Mike Kivitz actually left. He had to leave the
16 meeting early. But Peter Berns, Jim Gibbons, Bob, all
17 of them, you know, they just kind of -- you know, they
18 have planned speeches, and you could tell it was
19 planned, you know, kind of like when you knew that
20 Martin Williams was trying to signal to the CH2M Hill
21 people.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Correct.
23 MS. ROBINSON: You know, okay.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
25 MS. ROBINSON: That's the kind of stuff they do.

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1 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And they do it -- you know, and
3 that's what they were doing, and they were trying to
4 get on the record that, you know, I'm a problem, and
5 so they -- they said, when we go into executive
6 session, you know, who can be here? I said, everybody
7 can be here, I don't care. Everybody liked that. But
8 it didn't stop the beating any less, and they went
9 through their thing, and it's all kind of subtle, but
10 it's all into we're not getting what we need from you,
11 we're not getting efficient legal counsel, you know,
12 on the record, and so they've got -- so Bob now has a
13 nice little record that says you need to -- you need
14 to move and manage Jean Robinson or we're going to
15 move on you.
17 MS. ROBINSON: But they're not planning to move
18 on Bob. That's just part of the orchestrated --
19 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, the strategy.
20 MS. ROBINSON: You know, Jim -- yeah, Jim Gibbons
21 speaks up and says: Well, you know, we keep -- we
22 keep trying to hold Jean accountable for this stuff.
23 Bob, what do you have to say?
25 MS. ROBINSON: And what are you doing about this?

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1 We should be holding you accountable.
2 So what they're planning is that they've got --
3 they're going to lie and put enough stuff against me,
4 and then -- and then if I do make an error on top of
5 that, you know, they're going to use that, and they're
6 going to say -- Bob's going to call me in, and he's
7 going to say, well, you know, it comes down to you or
8 me, and, quite frankly, it's going to be you because
9 they're holding me accountable for not being able to
10 manage and deal with you, and you got to go. I mean,
11 I see it coming. I see what they're -- the groundwork
12 they're trying to lay. All it is, is a carryover from
13 what Mike Kivitz and the rest of them said during that
14 executive session and Jim Gibbons, that if you need us
15 to help you get rid of Jean, we will do it, and, you
16 know, we'll take care of that for you.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Just a --
18 MS. ROBINSON: And so he is now signed onto that.
19 He can't look me in the face.
20 Tina, that's another crazy woman, but there's
21 some meeting tomorrow between me and Tina and Dennis
22 about how we deal with CRPs or they're trying to bring
23 in some task force, because the Commission is getting
24 a lot of heat now too, by the way --
25 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.

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1 MS. ROBINSON: -- from individual people with
2 disabilities who have been mistreated and so forth and
3 so on. So she's trying to do some cover -- cover her
4 tracks. So there's some meeting tomorrow. I don't
5 know what that's all about. But the bottomline is the
6 Carol Lowmans, the Rick Beamans, the Mike Kivitzes,
7 they're determined that they're the brightest people
8 in the world and that they can continue this
9 craziness, and they don't really care about
10 investigations, etcetera, etcetera, and they're not
11 going to care about it until it slaps them in the
12 face.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. Just remember one
14 thing, Jean. You have been trying with all your might
15 to do your -- discharge your duty of protecting the
16 organization.
17 MS. ROBINSON: That's what I'm trying to do.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Individuals --
19 MS. ROBINSON: But I can't --
20 MR. LOPEZ: Individuals are -- individuals
21 personally are hampering this. They are -- they are
22 hampering your efforts to protect the organization,
23 which is your duty.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Well, but here's the -- here's the
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1 as a friend and just a strategist. I agree, and I
2 feel okay and I sleep at night about that part, but
3 what they're trying to do is paint a picture that I am
4 the problem, in other words, that -- that I am not
5 giving them good advice and that they -- that they do
6 these things because they're not getting proper legal
7 advice.
8 MR. LOPEZ: I understand that.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Now, it's quite the contrary. I
10 tell them, don't do that, you shouldn't do this, you
11 should do this, you know, etcetera, but I got to make
12 sure I've got records of the advice that I'm giving
13 them.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And that's -- you know, so that's
16 something, but so that's really what, you know,
17 they're trying to do is turn it around and deflect the
18 attention on to me or anybody else they can scapegoat.
19 Right now it's me and the in -- you know, there's a
20 little bit of infighting amongst them, but --
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- that's really where they're
23 going with this. And my problem with that is I get
24 all beat up professionally, my credibility and my
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1 know, if I listen to them, I would think that I
2 couldn't put a sentence together, that I can't think,
3 that I'm the most incompetent lawyer that ever walked
4 the face of the earth, and that's the kind of stuff
5 that they're getting on the record. You know what I
6 mean?
7 MR. LOPEZ: I do, but --
8 MS. ROBINSON: Publicly.
9 MR. LOPEZ: -- you need to guard and collect
10 all the evidence that shows otherwise of all the
11 instances you have urged them to do the right thing.
12 That's what you need to have, I mean, in hand, on
13 hand, because all their confabulations, all of their
14 machinations will come to naught in the face of
15 facts --
16 MS. ROBINSON: Okay.
17 MR. LOPEZ: -- regardless of what they're trying
18 to do. I mean, it's irrelevant. In short order, and
19 you know this as well as I do, that in a couple of
20 months they will be in the same category as the Flat
21 Earth Society and I will be handing out propeller caps
22 for all those who remain there.
23 MS. ROBINSON: I gotcha. I gotcha. Well, here's
24 the deal. So now they know -- now they really want to
25 move on me faster because now that they have finally

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1 produced this data and cooked the books, Dennis has
2 cooked the books on the opportunities and all of that,
3 I mean, they -- they -- I just wonder how many
4 meetings they had, you know, it's kind of
5 disconcerting, how many meetings they had right under
6 my nose, you know, when I was busy doing something
7 else when they were doing this stuff, and so now they
8 know I'm going to look at them, because I've already
9 called them out publicly --
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- and said, okay, so you guys got
12 data, let's see it, because you haven't been able to
13 produce it, and Scott has already asked for it. And
14 so they know I'm not going to allow them to distort
15 that data, and that's a problem for them.
17 MS. ROBINSON: And they thought that I'd be gone
18 by now, so therefore -- and, you know, some days, as
19 you know, I wake up and decide, yeah, I can't take
20 this crap anymore. Now, so I'm going to push hard for
21 that, at least so that there's accuracy in that data,
22 and I'm kind of curious myself, I mean. And why I say
23 that is my perception, just in looking at the
24 landscape it appears -- I know they have a little
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1 obvious in terms of how they're getting their
2 benefits, but --
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
4 MS. ROBINSON: -- but I do want to see the
5 numbers, in other words, I want to see how many
6 competitions we run, who's in those competitions, and
7 who's getting those opportunities, even if -- because,
8 see, here's one game that they're playing, and Scott
9 has got to watch out for this game, but he doesn't
10 have to watch out as long as I'm going to look at the
11 data that he's going to get, because the one game that
12 they're playing is they're going to give you the
13 numbers of the people who have been -- the
14 opportunities that have been added to the procurement
15 list.
17 MS. ROBINSON: But that's not an accurate number.
18 MR. LOPEZ: No.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Because we might run a
20 competition, as you well know --
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- somebody might -- they may
23 select somebody or recommend somebody for the project,
24 but lo and behold, as you've experienced and others
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1 go AbilityOne.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So therefore it didn't get added
4 to the procurement list, but we did run a competition,
5 and we did give it to -- or we made a recommendation
6 to give it to conceivably one of the insiders, but
7 that won't be in their numbers, because if their
8 numbers only include, you know, projects that were
9 actually distributed --
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- because a lot of things
12 don't make it to the procurement list, as you well
13 know.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
15 MS. ROBINSON: We run a lot of competitions, and,
16 you know, people invest a lot of time and money, but
17 it doesn't make it to the procurement list. And then
18 how do we keep track of every competition that we run?
19 They've told me that they can't do that, and I think
20 that's bullshit. I mean, they should be able to --
21 MR. LOPEZ: Of course they should.
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- every competition that we run.
23 And that's where Scott is going to have to push for
24 that information.

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1 MS. ROBINSON: What he wants is not the finalists
2 of who actually got the -- he wants who actually got
3 the contract, but what he wants is how many
4 competitions are you guys running every week or, you
5 know, every day.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Who's -- who's competing for those
8 allocations and, you know, who got it, and if the
9 person that got it or the entity that got it is an
10 insider, indicate that.
12 MS. ROBINSON: An insider as defined by that
13 group we talked about.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And they should be able to produce
16 that. We've been asking for that for two years.
18 MS. ROBINSON: So now they've produced it for
19 these other people in a clandestine way, so now we
20 know they have the capability, right?
21 MR. LOPEZ: That's right.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And Scott shouldn't ask for -- for
23 the last two years. He should ask for it for the
24 last -- when did your Lloyd George stuff start? Is
25 that three years ago now?

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1 MR. LOPEZ: Almost -- almost -- almost four, so
2 three, three and a half.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So I would ask for five
4 years.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I would say, I need five years of
7 the competitions that you ran, who got them, and then
8 at the end of the day, you know, we're all adults, so
9 if at the end of the day we get every competition
10 we'd know who's -- and we're wrong, that really the
11 projects have been distributed, you know, fairly in
12 the sense that they're not disproportionately going to
13 those insiders, then, you know, hey, you know, we're
14 adults, we'll say, okay, you were right; but I don't
15 think that's what it's going to show.
16 MR. LOPEZ: It's impossible.
17 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, you understand what I'm
18 saying.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure.
20 MS. ROBINSON: It's one of those things that it's
21 easy enough, it's objective enough --
22 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. No, it's --
23 MS. ROBINSON: -- that you just --
24 MR. LOPEZ: It's impossible, Jean. It's like
25 saying that a Vegas casino, it's the spirit and image

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1 of philanthropy.
2 MS. ROBINSON: I guess you got a point there.
3 So, anyway, that's -- that's where it is, and so every
4 day they do stuff to try to make my life miserable,
5 whether it's big stuff or little stuff. You know,
6 today was a perfect example. Bob -- you know, I
7 normally work from home on Mondays and Fridays.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
9 MS. ROBINSON: They do their best to schedule,
10 you know, whatever meetings they can on Mondays and
11 Fridays so that I don't -- so that I can't do that.
12 And then, secondly, it's little catty stuff, like --
13 like today was a perfect example where Bob -- you
14 know, I don't take a lunch, and then all of a sudden
15 just as I'm about to go grab -- grab something really
16 quick and bring it back, Bob's got a -- no, he lets me
17 get out of the building and get down the street, and
18 then Pam calls me, Bob needs to meet with you in
19 20 minutes.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
21 MS. ROBINSON: It's like, he needs to meet me in
22 20 minutes? Okay. Did you tell him that I'm going to
23 get a sandwich? I am bringing it back. It's 2:00
24 o'clock in the day. It isn't like, you know, I had a
25 lunchtime at a decent -- and then -- and then she's

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1 like, well, yeah, but you got to -- you know, you
2 can't tell him no. I'm like, okay, I'll come back.
3 Then I come back, and these guys, I mean, you
4 know, power is important to them. So I stopped at
5 Mc -- I turn around and go back, and I just go through
6 McDonald's drive-thru. Well, you know I have that soy
7 allergy. So I get the -- I get the fries. I just get
8 some fries, and I take them back. So I'm walking in
9 the building. As soon as I get in the door and get to
10 my office, he goes, I need to meet with you, I need to
11 meet with you. So I put the bag down and go in his
12 office. He says, oh, I didn't mean to -- I didn't
13 mean to interrupt your lunch. Bullshit.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
15 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so -- but Bill has
16 already told me straight-up, Jean, there is an
17 orchestrated -- I'm sorry, he didn't use the words.
18 He said, there is a plot and a plan to drive you out
19 and to make your -- the environmental circumstances so
20 unbearable that you will just say the hell with it. I
21 said, well, Bill, you know, they're getting pretty
22 damn close. That's what I said to him. They're
23 getting pretty damn close. Depending on what day you
24 catch me on, that's about right, because unfortunately
25 I've got some other stuff going on.

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1 I don't know if I -- I don't know if had a
2 chance to tell you, Ruben, that my mom right before I
3 went -- who is truly my best friend and we're very
4 close, but right before I went to the board meeting my
5 brother calls me up, and I almost didn't go to the
6 board meeting, because I thought it was an omen
7 anyway, but my brother calls me up. He says, Jean, I
8 don't know how to say this to you, but mom is
9 unconscious, and we're rushing her to the hospital via
10 911 --
11 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, no.
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- and the ambulance. So I was
13 like, well, I'm not going. So I send Dennis a note.
14 You know, they're needling -- because they've been
15 plotting and planning --
17 MS. ROBINSON: -- the beat-down for months.
19 MS. ROBINSON: And so, you know, he sends me --
20 so he keeps sending me these little things, you're
21 going to be at this meeting tomorrow at this time,
22 right, you're going to be at this meeting? So I send
23 him back a note that says, well, I just got -- I don't
24 know where I'm going to be tomorrow because I just --
25 I just got off the phone with my brother, and my mom

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1 is as we speak, you know, being rushed to the hospital
2 and she's unconscious, so if I need to go to
3 Wisconsin, I'm not going to -- you know, I just left
4 her Thanksgiving and thank God I had that time. I
5 said: If I need to go -- if I need to go to
6 Wisconsin, I won't be at the board meeting. So I
7 don't know. It all depends on what happens.
8 So my mom did -- when she regained
9 consciousness -- and by the way, they ruled out a
10 bunch of stuff, but they haven't ruled anything in.
11 You know, we've been going through this stuff with her
12 for the last year.
14 MS. ROBINSON: But this was sort of the ultimate.
15 So she says -- I said, well, mom, you know -- my
16 brother puts her -- I have three brothers, and they're
17 all there, except one is down in Illinois. So I said,
18 when you -- you know I'm supposed to go to the crazy
19 board meeting, and she always hates for me to go to
20 the board meeting because she always knows it's going
21 to be let's beat on Jean.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And she thinks it's too stressful.
24 So she said, well, no, I want you to go -- she was
25 conscious long enough, she said, go ahead and go to

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1 the board meeting because there's not anything you can
2 do here, and your brothers will call you if -- you
3 know, you'll just leave the board meeting if need be.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: So I went kind of under those
6 circumstances anyway, so I wasn't all there.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: But I also kind of had the
9 attitude of, you know, I don't really give a crap
10 about these people in terms of --
11 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- they're not going to do better,
13 they're going to be who they're going to be, and, you
14 know, their whole mission in life is to just keep this
15 machine running, and anybody that gets in the way,
16 they're just going to, you know, pummel them.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And then they just do stuff like
19 what I call for sport, like what they do with you
20 guys.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Like you can apply for any
23 opportunity and they're just determined they're not
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And then guess who also is trying
2 to be my new best friend.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Whom?
4 MS. ROBINSON: Although he's very schizophrenic.
5 Martin.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Martin.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Martin Williams. They beat on me
8 so bad that even Martin Williams -- he really does
9 not -- he really dislikes me a lot. He walked up to
10 me and just gave me a hug when the thing was over, I
11 mean, publicly. He was just like, these people are
12 really testing you, you know, yeah. And what they do
13 is they're so diabolical, like they -- because they
14 think that somewhere along the way I've played the
15 race card, because everybody else has played the race
16 card on them --
18 MS. ROBINSON: -- what they do is they use
19 Martin. So they have these speeches about how
20 inefficient and how bad I am right to my face, I mean,
21 you know, which is interesting, and then they say,
22 now, Martin's report, he was just wonderful, because
23 they want to be on the record as saying, it ain't
24 about race, it ain't about color, it's about -- you
25 know, we love Martin and we love everything that he

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1 does and he's the best thing since sliced bread.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And you would have thought that
4 Martin walked on water.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Every time they got a -- even Bob
7 in his special president's report listed Martin up and
8 how great he is, what a great job he's doing. And I'm
9 like, Martin, you can't see this, you fool?
11 MS. ROBINSON: You're going to be fall guy number
12 one with these folk, and, you know, they're just --
13 they want you to -- you know, his chest is sticking
14 out, but even he realized that this one was kind of
15 beyond the -- you know, beyond the pale. A couple
16 staff looked at me and said, holy shit, I'd rather be
17 anybody other than you. I said, yeah, tell me about
18 it. So -- so, you know, they know they're putting on
19 a lot of heat, and some days I can handle it better
20 than others, and then some days I just kind of say,
21 yeah, what the hell am I doing. I mean, you know,
22 these people --
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- they're going to keep being as
25 bad as they are and doing all this crazy stuff, and it
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1 doesn't matter what counsel they're getting, but I
2 don't want to -- like I said, I don't want my
3 professional credibility and stuff to be impugned and
4 screwed up in the meantime.
5 Now, the other thing that's happening for me that
6 you need to know is that when I -- when I had my
7 practice and was not an employee, when I made that
8 stupid mistake --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- I had a case that was working
11 its way through the California courts. Well, I didn't
12 think we were going to have to try it, quite frankly.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And it's going viral right about
15 now, but -- and I'm sort of running under the radar
16 with it because I know that that will give Bob the
17 biggest -- I mean, I'm not doing anything that I
18 shouldn't be doing. It's a holdover case.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
20 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, you know, it started a
21 long time ago.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And it's just, you know, these
24 things take a while, as you well know.
25 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.

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1 MS. ROBINSON: And it's -- it's a discrimination
2 case, and it's somebody that they absolutely hate who
3 used to be one of our board members, Melphine.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Melphine.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And so I'm representing her on the
6 case, and I got local counsel, so -- you know, so I'm
7 covered there, but it's -- it's a case of principle,
8 and it's more corporate bad doing in terms of BP,
9 which, as you know --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- they don't know what social
12 responsibility is.
14 MS. ROBINSON: But it's getting a lot -- it's
15 going viral in the press.
17 MS. ROBINSON: And so, you know, I could go
18 and go work on that and just go do that and say the
19 hell with them.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But, you know, like I said, I
22 don't want to -- you know, what I'm not going to have
23 them do, like I said, is paint me out to be this most
24 inefficient, bungling lawyer who just doesn't get it
25 and they're doing the right thing and so forth and so

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1 on, and that's -- that's the scheme and that's the
2 plot.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And I've been told straight up by
5 Bill that they're trying to drive me out, and others,
6 but -- but, I mean, he was pretty frank with me this
7 time.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Now, I called him to say, what I'd
10 like to do, and that's what I was saying to you, is,
11 you know, I can't have Bob looking at me talking
12 about -- you know, won't even allow me to go get some
13 French fries. You know -- you know what I'm saying?
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, I'm too old and too long
16 in my career to be dealing with crazy stuff like that.
18 MS. ROBINSON: So what I'd really like to have
19 happen is just, you know, kind of make -- make my
20 exit. Now, a friend of mine says, who used to be on
21 the board and knows how crazy they are, he says, well,
22 Jean, why don't you just be their outside counsel, I
23 mean, you -- he said kind of what you said. He said,
24 Jean, you've invested too much in the program and that
25 organization and trying to do right to allow Bob

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1 Chamberlin and Dennis and those crazy board members to
2 drive you out because they don't want to do the right
3 thing.
5 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and he said, you know,
6 you've staked your whole career there, and, you know,
7 you've got these guys who are going to try and
8 leverage and compromise you and do whatever the hell
9 they can do to make your life miserable, so I know
10 you've got to be sick of that, he says, but can't you
11 wait them out? You know, he doesn't know all this
12 other stuff that's going on. He said, can't you just
13 wait for Bob to retire? I said: Bob ain't going
14 nowhere. He's going out in a body bag. You know,
15 that's -- that's -- you know, he's not going to retire
16 anytime soon.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Not by choice, anyway.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Huh? Well, you understand what
19 I'm saying.
21 MS. ROBINSON: He's not planning to.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And he said, but, you know, Jean,
24 I just think you ought to try to -- try to hang in
25 there even as an employee, and he said -- I said,

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1 well, there's one part of me is too ornery to just
2 throw in the towel, and there's another part of me,
3 depending upon what day you catch me on, that says,
4 you know, what the hell am I doing, because these
5 people, they're not going to -- they're relentless and
6 they're plotting 24/7 and everything is a game and a
7 test to them and, you know, they're just -- they take
8 such glee in inflicting pain in my direction or, quite
9 frankly, in anybody's direction that questions them or
10 gets in their way, and so I'm like, how much longer do
11 I want to do this. But on the other hand, I would
12 like to see, you know, that organization get
13 straightened out and just go do the right, because it
14 could be really good. I mean, it could do really good
15 work, it could -- if they spent half as much energy
16 getting new projects and working with the government
17 as they do on all the bullshit, damn, we could double
18 our -- I think we could double our size.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Well, yeah. I mean, you just need
20 honest people who realize at the end of the rainbow
21 there is accountability. That's what you need,
22 someone who understands accountability and that --
23 MS. ROBINSON: Well, not only that, and just
24 sharing. I mean, what I don't understand about most
25 of these, the whole allocation process and all that,

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1 is there's enough to go around for everybody.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. But, you know, absolute power
3 corrupts.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, you know, why do you --
5 okay. Here's what -- okay, but look at it this way,
6 Ruben. If you're the CEO of that organization or
7 you're high up in that organization, why do you care
8 which CRP has the opportunity, because NISH or
9 SourceAmerica is going to get their 4 percent or
10 whatever the hell it is, 3.75 percent --
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- whether CRP X, Y, or Z has it.
14 MS. ROBINSON: So why do you keep -- do you
15 understand what I'm saying?
16 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, absolutely.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Why do you -- why do you only want
18 to give it to, you know, a select few when your
19 money -- I mean, even if you were just looking at it
20 from a revenue to the organization standpoint.
22 MS. ROBINSON: You're going to get your money
23 whether you get up out of bed, and that's the other
24 thing that's messed up there with the culture. NISH
25 or SourceAmerica is going to survive whether they ever

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1 get up out of the bed and walk out the door as long as
2 the CRPs are out there doing work because of the way
3 we're funded.
5 MS. ROBINSON: So what I don't understand is,
6 when you have an opportunity, you know, to the extent
7 that you could divide it up amongst two or three
8 CRPs --
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- if it's big enough, you know,
11 if it's worth everybody's while.
13 MS. ROBINSON: But just diversify. I don't get
14 that. I just don't get it.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Well, because there is an intrinsic
16 problem in that someone is on the take, and I'm going
17 to tell you --
18 MS. ROBINSON: It's got to be, right?
19 MR. LOPEZ: I'm going to tell you something that
20 is just making sense to me right now as you and I are
21 speaking. In one of the conversations I had with
22 Dennis Fields back -- way back when, when I thought he
23 might be honest or he might actually --
24 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, me too, me too. I went
25 through that too, so you -- okay, yeah.

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1 MR. LOPEZ: When I had a conversation with him,
2 he said, well, you know what would be very
3 advantageous for everyone, and I'm quoting him at this
4 point, is for those companies that are employee-owned.
5 He says, that would be a good thing to consider. And
6 I thought, well, yeah, yeah; but I stupidly did not
7 put two and two together at that time.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Right. Before I forget, and then
9 I'm glad you brought that up because I've been
10 forgetting.
12 MS. ROBINSON: One of the things I said I was
13 going to do if I just slow down for one minute is to
14 sit down and -- you know, I know why they're trying to
15 move on me. One of the -- one of the other things
16 that I broke up was the Fort Knox, the Ginn Group --
17 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly.
18 MS. ROBINSON: -- bullshit.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. That one is so bad, the
21 Lakeview, Ginn Group, Fort Knox, NISH's prime bullshit
22 is when the Commission folk decided I had to go. They
23 told -- you know, Bob said, oh, I heard -- I heard you
24 had everybody for lunch. But the bottomline on that
25 one is Dennis was working with the Ginn Group on this

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1 ESOP stuff, and the Ginn Group, Dennis was going back
2 and forth to Atlanta, and somebody told me, and I --
3 you know, it was actually one of his cronies, that,
4 you know, Jean, you -- well, I'll say bad language
5 because that's what they said to me. They said,
6 you're fucking with Dennis's retirement.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: I said, what are you talking
9 about? And they said, well, you know, the plan is
10 that Dennis is going to go into business with the Ginn
11 Group, he and Martin, they're going to spin off a
12 separate corporation. This is where I'm always in the
13 way, because you're not going to get to spin off a
14 separate corporation without the general counsel's
15 consent.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Even if she is an incompetent
18 idiot that you have encumbering the position, which is
19 what -- but, wait, which is what the Jim Barones say,
20 you know, and she's just messing up everything for us.
21 So what was going to happen is Dennis was flying
22 back and forth and then, of course, pilot project and
23 they're going to do this pilot project. And then I
24 said to everybody, I said: Why is the Ginn Group
25 still at Fort Knox? I don't get it. They don't hire

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1 anybody with disabilities. They're getting 20 -- it
2 was something crazy like 20 million. I want to go
3 back and look, but I think it was like 20 million a
4 month or -- I mean, it's just crazy money at Fort
5 Knox, and -- and I said, why isn't Lakeview or some
6 CRP doing the work? See, the Ginn Group was the
7 incumbent there.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And when we took -- when we became
10 AbilityOne, the Ginn Group should have been phased out
11 and gone away.
13 MS. ROBINSON: So I kept pushing, I kept
14 insisting upon it everywhere I could. I said, why do
15 we -- and especially after somebody told me that --
16 and I watched Dennis's relationship with the two
17 brothers, the Ginn brothers or whatever, and his whole
18 ESOP thing and his studying of that, and I watched him
19 give it to John because he was a new guy and he
20 figured -- he thought he couldn't figure it out.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Even -- even John figured that one
23 out.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Who told you that? Who -- Jean,
25 who --
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1 MS. ROBINSON: So the bottomline was that on that
2 one I got in the way, okay? Because I went straight
3 to the Commission, I held meetings with Martin
4 Williams -- that's when he got up and walked out on me
5 and some other stuff -- with Martin Williams, Dennis,
6 and everybody else, and I said, you know, this is a
7 farce. First of all, you've got these tiers for TFM,
8 and you say that a tier -- one is the lowest one,
9 right?
11 MS. ROBINSON: You say that a tier one can't
12 handle a project of this size, and then I find out
13 that Lakeview is a tier one.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Are we going to practice what we
16 preach?
18 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I said, so how did you
19 guys end up selecting them? And then I said to the
20 Commission: And you guys are equally as wrong because
21 there should have been some kind of phase-in plan for
22 Lakeview and that work. Here's what we've done.
23 We've allowed the commercial contractor -- when Ruben
24 does it, you guys get all upset, or when you think
25 he's trying to do it, I said, you guys get all upset,

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1 but we've allowed the commercial contractor who was an
2 incumbent to play in our program, they're not hiring
3 people with disabilities, and they're doing the same
4 thing they were doing before we put the -- we took the
5 project off the open market and put it in the
6 AbilityOne program, and they shouldn't get to play.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Because they're for-profit,
9 they're not in our program, they don't serve people
10 with disabilities, and why wouldn't we give that
11 portion of that contract to a CRP. And so Martin got
12 really mad with me and slammed the doors on me, I
13 don't know what the hell I was talking about, and then
14 he said the reason we have to go with the Ginn Group
15 is because the customer is insisting. And then there
16 was a guy down there, I think he still works for us,
17 he was new, he said, Jean, that's not what the
18 government is insisting, but they're doing top-secret
19 stuff, and none of our CRPs could do what they're
20 doing.
21 Then, because they have such bad luck down there,
22 I find out that the Ginn Group wasn't paying one of
23 their -- some little guy, one of their subcontractors
24 properly. DOL comes in, and the area -- the reason
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1 keep the Ginn Group on and in, because it's kind of a
2 pass-through the way NISH has it, the way Elizabeth,
3 our good ol' CFO, has it set up in how we pay them
4 too, that's all wrong too. And that's when they went
5 out and hired this lawyer out of Mississippi, who, by
6 the way, is Janet Samuelson, ServiceSource's lawyer.
7 Starting to sound familiar?
8 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my goodness.
9 MS. ROBINSON: I'll think of his name. And I
10 told him I was going to bring him up on malpractice
11 charges and whatever, because he wrote some stuff --
12 they hired him behind my back. Who hired him? Martin
13 Williams, Dennis, and Goli Trump, and Bob, of course.
14 I mean, you know, Bob is always there, but -- but
15 those three hired this guy, what's his name, Bill
16 Purdy, and he wrote up all this shit. And I said,
17 this stuff violates the rules of the AbilityOne
18 program, and I'm going straight to the Commission. I
19 want to know why they signed off on it. So we do dumb
20 shit, and then it's like -- it's like the movie "Dumb
21 and Dumber."
23 MS. ROBINSON: We do dumb shit, and then the
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And this is before I realized that
2 the Commission was part of the problem and not part of
3 the solution. You know, I used to think that they
4 were -- they just were not knowledgeable, but I didn't
5 think that they were part of the scheme.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And so this is I'm naive, and that
8 wasn't that long ago, because it was like two years
9 ago. So I'm going to them saying, this is all messed
10 up. I mean, and this Lakeview guy, this -- what's his
11 name, the guy who heads up Lakeview? Why is he -- why
12 is he getting all this work and, you know, etcetera,
13 etcetera, but -- I said, but the real thing is it's a
14 sham for the program because the Ginn Group shouldn't
15 be allowed to play, and they're getting the lion's
16 share of the money, and Lakeview was already doing the
17 janitorial there, and that's all they're doing now.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Sure. Nothing changed.
19 MS. ROBINSON: So how can you guys put this whole
20 TFM thing in? And so Bob called me in, and he said:
21 Jean, you're playing with dynamite. Tina told me to
22 pass on to you that TFM is the biggest thing we do,
23 and you need to get out of the whole Fort Knox thing
24 and so forth and so on. And, you know, that was just
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1 know it.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And that's when we found out that
4 Dennis had this deal cut with the Ginn Group in terms
5 of these ESOP-owned -- and at the time what was your
6 lawyer's name, the guy from Colorado? I forgot his
7 name.
8 MR. LOPEZ: John Scorsine.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, John knew or had done work,
10 I guess, for the Ginn Group.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because they're a disabled-owned
13 veteran company.
15 MS. ROBINSON: So it was -- it was all smelling
16 really, really bad, and somebody said, you know. So
17 Dennis was -- then Dennis started riding hard on me
18 because I was messing up his thing, but I didn't know
19 why he was riding hard because, like you, I thought he
20 was honest at one point and then I realized that, oh,
21 okay, everybody has got a -- you know, a thing. And
22 so I got in the way of them spinning off some kind of
23 subsidiary corporation and going in business with the
24 Ginn Group, but then because I just -- I just took the
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1 on the Commission, or as Bob said, I understand during
2 that meeting, who the hell do you think you are, you
3 had the Commission for lunch, you had everybody for
4 lunch, we don't like your tactics.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I just asked -- I just asked a lot
7 of questions, Bob. I mean, you know, I wasn't trying
8 to have everybody for lunch. I mean, I was just
9 trying to understand. I said, but we do -- we do
10 stuff that isn't correct, and they endorse it and make
11 it worse. That's what I said to him, you know. I
12 didn't do the "Dumb and Dumber," but that's what I was
13 thinking.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: So that was -- that was a major
16 knock-down, drag-out where again -- and then Goli got
17 in the middle and said I was giving bad counsel, and
18 they hired this other lawyer, and I really was hard on
19 him, and he wrote me some nasty letters, and I think I
20 wrote him a nasty letter and said, you know, what
21 you're doing is not right, and you're setting this
22 stuff up for them, and, by the way, Martin can't go
23 out and hire lawyers anyway, he's not supposed to,
24 without the knowledge -- but, see, Dennis had told him
25 to do it.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And so then after I went down
3 there -- I took John with me, I went down there, and I
4 stayed a few days, and I talked to people, and I
5 figured out that it was all screwed up, structurally
6 that it was not good. I got smart enough on it that
7 my recommendation was that -- you know, the Ginn Group
8 is in a year-to-year contract.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: That in July that we didn't renew.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And Martin said, oh, we're phasing
13 them out, yeah, they're going to go away. Well, that
14 was, what, a year and a half now, two years ago.
16 MS. ROBINSON: They're still there.
17 MR. LOPEZ: They're still there.
18 MS. ROBINSON: They haven't gone away, they
19 haven't phased them out, because when I was pushing
20 for them to go away and be replaced by a CRP, Dennis,
21 who had the side deal with them about the ESOPs and
22 all that, was, you know, trying to say I didn't know
23 what I was talking about.
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1 know, a big problem, and then Jim Barone was all in
2 the middle of that one too, but let me tell you what
3 now that is the irony of it. So he couldn't go into
4 the ESOP business with the Ginn Group because I got in
5 the way of that by asking questions and pushing it and
6 insisting they do the right thing, but then he turned
7 around and did the exact same damn thing with Bob
8 Turner.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Exactly.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So I was like, damn, they are
11 good, you know. I screw up once -- I blow up -- I
12 torpedo this little plot over here, and while I'm busy
13 trying to stay out of trouble and do something else,
14 they're over here -- Dennis is busy over here
15 concocting the same deal. You know, I told you I saw
16 Bob Turner in there like every day meeting with
17 Dennis, meeting with Dennis, meeting with Dennis.
19 MS. ROBINSON: They're over there doing the same
20 damn plot with this guy.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. Is there a log that he
22 had to -- Bob Turner had to log in every time he came
23 in, or would they have --
24 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, you've got to sign into the
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Who --
2 MS. ROBINSON: But not only that, everybody --
3 you know, I told you, I told you. I mean, kiddingly
4 I said, I looked at him and said, we should get you an
5 office here, man.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, they've still been
8 meeting even after his -- after his resignation, but I
9 don't think they can sanitize that by him resigning.
10 The only way they could sanitize that is if he said,
11 no, I'm not going to -- you know, here's your $160,000
12 back, and I'm not going to do any business with
13 SourceAmerica.
15 MS. ROBINSON: They could -- they could unring
16 the bell that way.
17 MR. LOPEZ: But that's not going to happen.
18 That's not going to happen.
19 MS. ROBINSON: They're not going to do that.
20 MR. LOPEZ: They're not going to do that.
21 Absolutely not.
22 MS. ROBINSON: No, huh-uh. They're going full
23 steam ahead. Then I just figured out that Jane Ann
24 Wimbush, who is Bob Turner and Jim -- these are all
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: She's on the audit committee.
3 She's still on the audit committee. She -- she's one
4 of the ones that we can't seem to find any disclosure
5 forms for.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: She's one of the ones that will
8 point to my competence because I didn't collect them
9 all, meaning that some people who didn't turn them in
10 I didn't say, you got to get put off the board, which
11 is what -- you know, but she's been running under the
12 radar. I wonder why she didn't fill that out.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Right. What is her name again?
14 MS. ROBINSON: Jane Ann Wimbush.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So her and Bob Turner are like
17 really close, really good buddies, and Elizabeth
18 Goodman.
20 MS. ROBINSON: So that's kind of the holy trinity
21 there, but -- but the bottomline is that they do have
22 all these little plots and plans for the future. So
23 Dennis keeps saying he's leaving, but I guess he's
24 trying to make himself a soft place to land in terms
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So after I screwed up the Ginn
3 Group thing -- and that still needs to be fixed. They
4 still need to be gone. I mean, they still -- and it's
5 a lot of money. And I told Bill Coleman, I made the
6 mistake, because I thought he was okay too, I said,
7 Bill, I said, you know, you have to sign off on the
8 check or whatever. I don't remember what it is, but
9 it was some ungodly amount per month.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
11 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, it was like 20 million
12 dollars. I mean, that was a big thing that I knew
13 I was in the middle of, and -- and so I'm like, hmm.
14 So everybody is still around, everybody is still
15 around, and Dennis just switched his retirement plans
16 to Bob Turner's company.
18 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so there's
19 definitely -- and then Goli is running interference
20 for them.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Goli Trump is running
23 interference, but she's not real bright. So, you
24 know, you never get stupid people to run interference
25 for you, but, you know.

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1 MR. LOPEZ: You need to let her. You need to
2 let her because she's going to bungle it up royally.
3 MS. ROBINSON: No, I am. No, no. Now -- let me
4 tell you what I do now. Now I don't -- when they're
5 meeting around me and behind my back and all that, you
6 know, sometimes I know and sometimes I don't, but I'm
7 letting it happen.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
9 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, I'm not going on record as
10 saying, oh, make sure.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because they're just going to
13 screw it up more and more.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And they're not going to listen to
16 me anyway.
18 MS. ROBINSON: So I'd rather not be involved in,
19 you know, these plots, schemes, and plans that they
20 try to put perfume on --
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- when it really is a turd, you
23 know.
25 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, it's sort of -- so they're

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1 going to do their thing, and we're going to let them
2 do it, but I think they have put in -- but Fort Knox,
3 Fort Rucker, Fort Lee --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- and I think Fort Hood --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- are all ones that, you know,
8 should be looked at in terms of how they came about
9 and in terms of, you know, their relationships with
10 the people. And this guy, Lakeview guy, I don't know
11 what that's all about.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right.
13 MS. ROBINSON: But David is on to that one.
15 MS. ROBINSON: David did not come to the board
16 meeting. He sent his lawyer.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Whom they put out of every
19 session.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, poor guy.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Well, he's just kind of wasting
22 his time because --
23 MR. LOPEZ: That's right.
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know, he would get there --
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1 Jean, you know, I brought my family down, and we're
2 camping at some state park. So, I mean, I knew they
3 were going to put me out of every session.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: But David wanted me here, so I'm
6 here. So -- so he was there kind of walking around.
7 They treated him like crap, but he was there. But he
8 didn't get -- I'm sure he didn't get anything
9 substantive because everything substantive they just
10 kept going into executive session.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure. They do that. They do
12 that a lot.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And then they just put him out,
14 yeah. So I think -- I think the bottomline is, you
15 know, I will hang in there for a little while, but --
16 but I got to tell you, it's wearing on me, and -- and,
17 you know, these people, they have a plot a minute,
18 Ruben.
19 MR. LOPEZ: I understand. But if I -- if I were
20 you right now, Jean, I would get the first plane out
21 to visit mom, I really would, and take --
22 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah.
23 MR. LOPEZ: -- and take some time off for a --
24 MS. ROBINSON: Well, here's what I'm going to do.
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1 there through the -- you know, through the new year.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I've got some stuff I got to
4 finish. That's the other thing is they're just trying
5 to bury me, you know, with -- because I have no help
6 or anything. Pam is pretty good, but I have no help,
7 so --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Is there any possibility you can
9 enact the stress clause there, that you need some
10 leave because of the stress? I mean, can they combat
11 that with something?
12 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I could take family medical
13 leave.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Perfect, perfect.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And take a leave of absence or
16 something.
17 MR. LOPEZ: You need to do that.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah.
19 MR. LOPEZ: You really need to do that.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I think you're right.
21 MR. LOPEZ: You need to do that ASAP.
22 MS. ROBINSON: All right. But one of the things
23 I will do before I do that -- well, I've got to figure
24 out -- okay. So Bob could say nothing. Yeah, I
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1 something to --
2 MR. LOPEZ: You need to do it.
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- make that work. I'm sure my --
4 I'm sure my doctor would gladly give it to me. He
5 can't stand SourceAmerica. He thinks that -- you
6 know, but in any event, I could take some family
7 medical leave and, yeah, get -- get myself out of
8 the --
9 MR. LOPEZ: You need to.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- line of fire.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, you need to. You really do.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Or, or should I just say, look,
13 Bob, I know you want me out, I'll go -- I'll finish up
14 what I'm doing as your outside counsel, and, you know,
15 I'm not going to be your employee. You know, I want
16 to say you guys can run havoc all over the program,
17 whatever the hell you want to do, and, you know, I'll
18 finish up some of this stuff that -- that I'm working
19 on, and that's that. That could be another way to do
20 it and just get the -- you know, because if I don't,
21 the guy is going to fire me as soon as he can, but the
22 only thing he's doing now is consulting counsel and
23 trying to build documentation because he knows when he
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And he's right about that.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so he's just trying to
4 have a defensible case.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And my problem is that, you know,
7 I'm not perfect and I will make some mistakes. Now, I
8 haven't made any major mistakes as it relates to their
9 stuff. Their stuff is not all that deep, so I can do
10 it, but I can only do so much as one person, and, you
11 know, they'll put some unreasonable deadlines.
12 They'll make -- they'll try to make their
13 documentation.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure. I get that.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And so I don't know how to really
16 fight against that. Like right now when I hang up
17 from you, one of the things I've got to do is Bob has
18 been bugging me to do my self-performance review. Why
19 bother, because he's going to, you know, write all
20 this crazy shit anyway. But if I'm being a smart
21 lawyer, I know that I've got to get the -- got to get
22 my accomplishments and the things that I've done on
23 the record.
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1 I do is give him a bullet to shoot me with when I
2 don't do it. Now, lots has happened in the last two
3 weeks, including the board meeting and all the other
4 stuff, and they make sure that, you know, you don't
5 have a minute, so that -- you know, that kind of stuff
6 I'm, you know, guilty of not turning that in on time,
7 you know. I got Pam now to help me with expenses and
8 all that, meaning that -- like this board meeting, you
9 know, I've got to get -- you know, they make it as
10 difficult as they can. I'll turn in my American
11 Express, and they'll say, oh, no, I need the detail, I
12 need to make sure you didn't have a drink, I need to
13 make sure -- you know, so I'll be like, okay, well,
14 let me go back and get that receipt from the hotel and
15 running that kind of stuff down.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So they're going to nitpick every
18 little thing.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Jean --
20 MS. ROBINSON: And that part is no fun, but I
21 always take time -- if you remember, I always take
22 time during Christmas and the holidays, and with my
23 mom being -- being ill --
24 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
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1 going on, it would be a perfect time to kind of --
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- focus on that and say the heck
4 with it.
5 MR. LOPEZ: I would do it.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Because I also feel like I'm
7 shortchanging my little girl --
9 MS. ROBINSON: -- with all this craziness as
10 well.
11 MR. LOPEZ: I agree. I think you should -- like
12 I said, I mean, if I were you, it would be a matter
13 of a day or two and I'd be on a plane to mom's, I
14 really would, and just, you know, you know, relax and
15 think it through and, you know, get some time for
16 yourself and your family. That's what I would do
17 ASAP. I mean, the --
18 MS. ROBINSON: That's not a bad idea. That's not
19 a bad idea. So, yes, I'm going to figure out how I
20 can do that.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. I mean, you have --
22 MS. ROBINSON: And then that at least gives me
23 some time to get some distance from it too.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely, absolutely.
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1 counsel and advice, I think.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No. You've got to do it.
3 You've got to do it.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. All right.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Let me ask you this before I let you
6 go to sleep. Do you have that -- that report that
7 they provided in your hands, you know, the one they
8 want to relabel "Draft"? Do you have that?
9 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. Oh, yeah, you know I -- you
10 know I got it.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And what I want to do is --
13 MR. LOPEZ: How can --
14 MS. ROBINSON: Let me see. Let me see the best
15 way. It was in the board book.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Right. How can we --
17 MS. ROBINSON: Wait a minute. Let me think this
18 through. So it was in the board book. Is there
19 anybody who --
20 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
21 MS. ROBINSON: -- is real on the board or the
22 advisors that could have or would have given it to
23 Scott?
24 MR. LOPEZ: From --
25 MS. ROBINSON: See, I think that board is pretty

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1 much all part of the machine now.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No. As far as that, no, there
3 is no one. They're all -- they're all in on it.
4 There's no one that is pure there, no.
5 MS. ROBINSON: That's what I thought. That's
6 what I thought.
7 MR. LOPEZ: There is no one that is pure.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I mean, but let's let them
9 change it first, though.
10 MR. LOPEZ: But do you -- but do you have --
11 MS. ROBINSON: I told them not to do it, but I
12 think it's perfect that they're going to do it. So
13 let's let them --
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, but do you have the original?
15 You know, we have to be able to --
16 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah, yeah. Well, it was
17 handed out to 28 people.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. You have that. How can --
19 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
20 MR. LOPEZ: How can we get a copy of it tomorrow?
21 Can I get someone to pick it up? That's what I'm
22 asking.
23 MS. ROBINSON: I'm trying to think, how could
24 you --
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1 MS. ROBINSON: But how are you going to know --
2 how would he know -- because that was their argument,
3 how would he know -- well, don't worry, I've got it
4 electronically.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Because, see --
6 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Pam would have it
7 electronically. Okay. Here's -- no. Here's what --
8 here's what Scott has to do. What Scott has to do is
9 say, I'd like all the board minutes and the board
10 book.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Okay?
13 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And one of the things I got to get
15 Scott to do, and I owe him a call, but --
16 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
17 MS. ROBINSON: -- but if you talk to him, he
18 needs to make his request -- Carlos is back now, I
19 mean, not totally, but he needs to make his request of
20 Mayling. He needs to say, Mayling, I need this, this,
21 and this, because she doesn't get it yet. She's new,
22 so bless her heart, but she doesn't get it yet.
24 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but he needs to -- so
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1 say, we need this, this, and this.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right. So we need all board meeting
3 minutes including the book, the board book.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah, any documents the
5 board -- yeah, just say -- it will look too obvious if
6 you say the board book, but just say, we need the
7 minutes and we need whatever materials that are sent
8 to people to prepare for the board meeting.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: You can say the board book,
11 because everybody knows there's a board book.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. So that's fine.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And in that board book let's see
16 what they get you.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Don't worry, that I have the thing
19 electronically, okay?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, because I'm concerned that --
21 MS. ROBINSON: But what I need -- but what I need
22 Scott to do is call Carlos and say, look, you know,
23 we're still -- he was going to -- he started talking
24 to Deborah Atkinson and some other people and Denise
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So he needs to say -- he
3 doesn't -- I wouldn't ask just for this one. I'd ask
4 for this one and all the rest for the year 2013.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Which will include this one.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And let's see what they give him.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Let's see if they're going to take
11 it out.
13 MS. ROBINSON: But you shouldn't worry about it
14 because we've got it.
15 MR. LOPEZ: That's important, because when it's
16 different, we need to -- we need to see the original,
17 the now supposed draft.
18 MS. ROBINSON: No, I know. We've got the
19 original. We get the original electronically.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Okay, okay.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And everybody has it
22 electronically, by the way.
23 MR. LOPEZ: That's it. Okay, okay.
24 MS. ROBINSON: They send out the board book
25 electronically now.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha, gotcha.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So if he asks Carlos. Carlos is
3 coming tomorrow to try to catch up and see where
4 things are and meet with me. So it would be a perfect
5 time for Scott to have a conversation with Mayling --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- who's going to tell him Carlos
8 is back or whatever, because Carlos doesn't
9 understand, you know, exactly what Scott is looking
10 for. I mean, he knows generally, but he doesn't --
11 you know, he wasn't there to hear Scott's --
12 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
13 MS. ROBINSON: -- long, you know, description of
14 what he wants and needs.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Understood, understood. And lastly,
16 please run by me again those three people -- the one
17 in Portland, the one that left the board and told
18 Bob --
19 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, John Murphy. You've got to
20 contact John Murphy.
21 MR. LOPEZ: John Murphy. In Portland, right?
22 MS. ROBINSON: Right. And when you contact John
23 Murphy, you've got to ask him -- I don't remember the
24 woman's name. His former employee went to work for
25 the Commission.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And they put her out of the
3 Commission because she said that, you know, the
4 Commission was as crooked as the day was long.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Okay.
6 MS. ROBINSON: But so -- so John Murphy from
7 Portland Rehabilitation.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Excuse me?
9 MS. ROBINSON: You can look him up.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Portland?
11 MS. ROBINSON: Portland Rehabilitation is the
12 name of his CRP.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Let me see. I might even have
15 a -- let me see. I used to have a contact for John.
16 Let me see. And John will be helpful in terms of
17 the -- he used to serve on the audit committee, the
18 history of how -- you know, how things weren't quite
19 right in Denmark from the financial standpoint.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And everything else, just the
22 culture, the whole --
23 MR. LOPEZ: Sure. Now, this --
24 MS. ROBINSON: But let me see if I have a contact
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1 from the board.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: That's the other thing that he
4 should ask for, ask for all board resignation letters.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Because then you'll get the -- oh,
7 the one -- well, how can I forget that? See, that's
8 what happens. You're right, I do need a leave of
9 absence.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
11 MS. ROBINSON: The most important thing that
12 happened that gave me some sense of, okay, I'm still
13 going to get you suckers back, so after they beat me
14 up and they said, Jean, your report is too long, we
15 don't want to hear, you know, what you're telling us
16 is not relevant, etcetera, etcetera, they turned to
17 Mayling and said, now tell us about the OIG
18 investigation, you've got six minutes, go.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
20 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not -- I'm not exaggerating.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
22 MS. ROBINSON: So she tried to get it all out in
23 six minutes, and she did. And I looked at her, and I
24 said, one of the things is there was an email that we
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Because Gregg Bender, the former
3 board chair, said that the B-1 process was a sham.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And we had voted -- Carlos and I
6 had recommended that they turn that over -- that they
7 allow Carlos to turn that over to the OIG.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Even though -- and then Jim Barone
10 said, no, that's beyond his jurisdiction because it
11 deals with DOD contract and not GSA and blah, blah,
12 blah, blah, blah. Well, long story short, they voted
13 to turn it over, and then they rescinded the motion,
14 and we waited, and then we said, well, maybe let
15 sleeping dogs lie. Well, I resurfaced it at this
16 meeting.
18 MS. ROBINSON: I said, hey, Bill, we got that
19 motion sitting on the floor, I think we ought to vote
20 on turning it over to Scott, because we -- we have
21 some rapport with Scott as counsel and we promised him
22 that we would -- we wouldn't make him hunt -- you
23 know, it wouldn't be The Hunt for Red October, that we
24 would give him stuff that we think is relevant and
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1 remember that American Express commercial?
2 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
3 MS. ROBINSON: After she did her six-minute
4 report of the most important thing that's facing the
5 organization, they praised her. They said: That's
6 great. You know, Jean, you ought to take some lessons
7 from Mayling.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, wow.
9 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I didn't -- you know, it
10 was that kind of thing. And -- and I said, well, wait
11 a minute, though, Mayling, you're not finished. And
12 so one guy said, he's new too, he said, well, I got to
13 go check out of my room. And Bill did. I said:
14 You're not finished. The most important piece of
15 business is we need board approval to turn over that
16 email and to disclose that email to Mumper and Lisa,
17 and we haven't had that vote.
19 MS. ROBINSON: So -- so they were really mad, but
20 they wanted to get out, and so they cut their nose
21 off, so they voted to go ahead and turn it over based
22 on -- and Mayling was trying to hold back. She's
23 like, well, let's just put in there if -- I said, no,
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And so they voted that counsel
2 has the discretion to turn that over, and so that
3 email will help in terms of the -- if you've got the
4 board chair saying that the process is a sham --
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: -- that's pretty serious, but it
7 also hurts because -- well, I mean, good for what
8 Scott is doing, but it shows that Gregg Bender was
9 trying to reach down into the staff, into Jill
10 Johnson, and influence, you know, make her give him an
11 opportunity.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Now, Mike Kivitz or somebody spoke
14 up and said, or Jim Gibbons, one of the machine spoke
15 up and said, well, if you turn it over, I hope you
16 turn it over with context and you explain to the agent
17 that the reason -- this shows that we don't just give
18 projects to our board members and our board chair
19 because in the email Gregg is blasting her out.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But what it really shows is that
22 when Gregg took over he sent this email. I don't know
23 what he was thinking. He sent this email, and he
24 was -- it was duress.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, if you're -- if you're the
2 board chair and you send something to Jill saying, I
3 should have gotten this project --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- and I didn't and I'm the new
6 sheriff in town, I mean, you know, come on.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, it just shows he was
9 actually trying to exert influence over staff and use
10 his board position to do that.
12 MS. ROBINSON: So it may show that every time we
13 have a competition we don't give it to our board
14 members or the chair, but it shows that he wanted to
15 make sure that wasn't the case.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So that one we're supposed to turn
18 over. So I think if Scott just asks for every -- all
19 the stuff from the board meeting, board minutes, board
20 book, and any, you know, I guess actions that we're
21 supposed to do as relates to the -- to the
22 investigation --
23 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- then that's going to be there.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Perfect, perfect. And the second
2 one is, that man that left NISH back in --
3 MS. ROBINSON: John Murphy?
4 MR. LOPEZ: No, the other one that told -- that
5 told Bob Chamberlin, I will get you if it's the last
6 thing I do. There was somebody else there who left in
7 a huff.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Everybody leaves in a huff, but
9 let me see.
10 MR. LOPEZ: No, but he said --
11 MS. ROBINSON: Was he a board member or a staff
12 member?
13 MR. LOPEZ: I think he was a staff member who
14 left and said, I will get -- I know there's another
15 staff member who's still there. What's his name?
16 He's in the dungeon.
17 MS. ROBINSON: He's where?
18 MR. LOPEZ: He's in the -- you know, he's down
19 there in the book room doing, I think, HR or
20 something --
21 MS. ROBINSON: Wait a minute, wait a minute.
22 MR. LOPEZ: -- who blew the whistle on --
23 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, Will, Will Kunetz. Yeah,
24 yeah, yeah.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Will Kunetz in products.
2 MR. LOPEZ: In products. Okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: He's the one who blew the whistle
4 on Gregg Bender.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: So when you get the email, it will
7 all be a part of that.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right. But there was another one,
9 another one that was very upset and said, I'm going to
10 the media.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Oh. Yeah, he was the
12 communications guy. I didn't know him very well.
13 Mark Bagley.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Mark Bagley.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Mark Bagley. He just left.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
17 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, not just, but like in the
18 last three, four, five months.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Where does he live? Where could I
20 find him?
21 MS. ROBINSON: Mark Bagley, somewhere I probably
22 have him in my phone because he was making all these
23 threats to me as counsel. Let me see if he's in my
24 phone. Let me see if I got John Murphy. John Kelly,
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1 if they still work.
2 MR. LOPEZ: That's okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: But you can -- but he's Portland
4 Rehabilitation, but 503/261-1266 is one number I have
5 for him.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And then another one is
8 503/704-8989.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know if that's home, cell,
11 work. I'm not sure.
12 MR. LOPEZ: No problem, no problem.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Let me see. Mark. I probably
14 wouldn't have put this Mark guy in because I really
15 didn't know him or anything, but I don't think he
16 could know too much because he wasn't there very long.
17 MR. LOPEZ: What he may lack -- what he may lack
18 in knowledge, he may make up with enthusiasm. I don't
19 know.
20 MS. ROBINSON: That's funny. Well, yeah. Well,
21 not only that, but he was the communications guy, so
22 he would know, you know.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Where did he live? Where did he
24 live?
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1 MR. LOPEZ: The D.C. area. Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, he's in the D.C. area.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Mark Bagley, B-a-g-l-e-y, and I
5 don't have a number for him. David Shaman probably
6 has a number for him. He still works in there, but I
7 don't -- yeah, I don't have one for Bagley.
8 MR. LOPEZ: No problem, no problem.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but in terms of board
12 members and people who left, I would -- I would
13 certainly have Scott interview Barbara Nurenberg --
14 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- who's, you know, actually kind
16 of a friend, but has left, and she now has left the
17 CRP, but she ran the audit committee. No. I know the
18 guy that -- that you guys need to talk to on the
19 finances and all that. He used to be a bank examiner.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And that was my first undoing with
22 Jim Barone. His name is Charles Brown.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
24 MS. ROBINSON: He's black. He's a Detroit -- he
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1 He's a CPA. He's the first one that said, you people,
2 no, no, no, no, no. And they put him off -- they
3 appointed him to the audit committee, and then they
4 put him off and then put Barbara in over him.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Said he was too new, it was a
7 mistake in appointment. But he was really
8 knowledgeable. He was on to the internal controls and
9 all that stuff that I don't -- that I thought maybe he
10 was just paranoid, but maybe he wasn't.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because it's now turning out to be
13 pretty true --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know, what he said. So,
16 you know, he's a finance type guy.
17 MR. LOPEZ: And what did he say? What was he
18 saying?
19 MS. ROBINSON: What did he what? Oh, he was
20 saying that, you know, they need to create not only
21 audit committees and everything else but that their
22 internal controls are all screwed up and their
23 finances and how they're dealing with CRPs, you know,
24 from a finance standpoint.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: The guy is a CPA.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha, gotcha. And they did him
3 really wrong. They put him off because he was too
4 close to figuring it all out. And he's kind of a --
5 he kind of comes across as a Columbo type.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha.
7 MS. ROBINSON: You know, kind of a bumbling, but
8 they put him off quick.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So, yeah, any of the board -- the
11 former board members. I mean, you just need to get
12 the -- well, if he gets the resignation letter of all
13 board members, then that will be -- because John
14 Murphy did resign from the board, and he wrote not too
15 bad of a letter, but he wrote a letter saying, you
16 people aren't right.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Wonderful.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And John Murphy was the one who
19 told me that Bob Chamberlin was out to get me. He
20 even told Bob to his face. He said, you know, Bob --
21 John is a white guy that they thought was one of them.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Okay? And they were in a bar
24 talking, and that's when Bob Chamberlin said he'd be
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2 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. Wow.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Okay? And John Murphy came back
4 and said: This guy is going to just work you out,
5 Jean. Unfortunately, you're the wrong color.
6 Unfortunately, you're asking the wrong questions. But
7 he confronted Bob, and he -- you know, he says, I
8 stand behind that. I mean, so he was clearly on the
9 audit committee, and he thought that Elizabeth Goodman
10 and some of the others -- he figured out that Jim
11 Barone, the PRIDE, the Commission, he figured it all
12 out. I mean, but he had been around a long time too.
14 MS. ROBINSON: He's a very smart guy, kind of
15 weird, kind of professorial, you know, kind of Huck
16 Finn type guy.
18 MS. ROBINSON: But he is smart, and he had that
19 group figured out, and he was the only one who had the
20 guts to just confront them publicly, you know.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Wonderful. Well, please get
22 some rest and consider getting a plane ticket as soon
23 as possible.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Yep. Well, I got -- I have a
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1 because I can't take Teresa out of school.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Well, yeah.
3 MS. ROBINSON: You know, now I can still stick
4 around here and I can rest, doesn't mean I have to
5 work for these people like a dog, I mean.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, that's what I mean.
8 MR. LOPEZ: As soon as you can get yourself out
9 of that environment, it would be advisable.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I think that's probably
11 right.
12 MR. LOPEZ: The doctor would know exactly -- once
13 you tell him one nth of a percent of what you're going
14 through, I'm sure he would agree that you need some
15 rest.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, yeah. So I think that's
17 probably right. So, okay, I'll work on that.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Please.
19 MS. ROBINSON: I'll work on that.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Have a good night.
21 MS. ROBINSON: That's a good idea, I think.
22 Okay. Thank you, Ruben. All right. Talk to you
23 later.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Bye-bye.
25 MS. ROBINSON: All right. Bye.

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2 MS. ROBINSON: And I have literally -- in fact
3 when you called I was on the phone. I am working from
4 home today. I just got back last night. But I have
5 literally been on the phone, and I don't think this is
6 any exaggeration, in fact I told my kid to go
7 downstairs and get some cereal, I have literally been
8 on the phone since quarter of 10:00 till two minutes
9 ago --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- with Sally and her team and
12 that crazy Chris Wilke guy, who's an absolute ass.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And then I made them patch in
15 Carlos and Mayling about 1:00 o'clock, I think,
16 because I said, I don't feel like having to explain
17 all this all over again.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
19 MS. ROBINSON: But this is an opportunity in
20 Denver, a small one, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: They said, oh, Jean, we're
23 starting the year out right; we're going to give an
24 opportunity to Bona Fide. That's great. Let me hear
25 about it.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So I heard about it from 9:45 till
3 now. How many hours is that?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, well, I think you
6 ought to repost this one. And they said, why? I
7 said, okay, first of all, the opportunity was 500,000.
8 You don't know this, though.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And now the government told them
11 that it's down to 300,000.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And it's got a union. It's got --
16 you got to -- you got to -- it's got a collective
17 bargaining agreement, which they did make -- which
18 they did put in the -- in the notice.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: Let me explain this
21 to you guys. First of all, I've had CRPs turn down
22 20-million-dollar contracts because they didn't feel
23 like dealing with having their workforce unionized and
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1 MS. ROBINSON: But it's worth it for a
2 million-dollar contract. It's worth it for a
3 20-million-dollar contract. It is not worth it for
4 a 300,000-dollar contract.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Okay? Then they -- I guess GSA
7 told them -- I said, well, maybe -- why do you have so
8 many participants for this? You guys are one of the
9 participants, which is how I got involved.
11 MS. ROBINSON: And so it wasn't -- I said this
12 conversation started at 9:45. It wasn't -- because I
13 looked over at -- I'm lying in bed, and I looked over
14 at the VCR, and it wasn't until 10 after 3:00 when I
15 had enough good sense, that's what happens when you
16 stay on vacation too long, to say, well,
17 individually -- well, first of all, okay, let me --
18 let me tell you the dynamics. When Sally and Linlee,
19 who's probably very innocent in all this, the staff
20 person --
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- when they were on the phone
23 from 10:00 to 12:00, they were confessional, what do
24 we do, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I spent the
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1 me, it's a great thing, give it to Bona Fide, good, I
2 can now look at Ruben and his lawyers and say they've
3 got -- but I sensed, you know, my gut feeling, that --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- there was some crap with it
6 because why was -- why would they be calling me.
7 Well, why do we have to debrief it? It's great. Give
8 it to them.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: But it wasn't until 10 -- so Sally
11 and her person were nice, and I said, well, you know,
12 I think we're going to have to repost this one, and,
13 you know, they were -- they were going to throw the
14 ball over the fence to GSA, give it to GSA and tell
15 them they picked Bona Fide and let GSA kill it.
17 MS. ROBINSON: They actually were setting GSA
18 up --
19 MR. LOPEZ: Oh.
20 MS. ROBINSON: -- because -- because GSA told
21 them back when this thing was posted that they wanted
22 to deal with a Region 8 contractor.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Because they want to make it a
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2 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So they debundled this, and then
4 they want to rebundle. They want to consolidate.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: It had nothing to do with you guys
7 that I know of, unless you told them that you were
8 applying.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: GSA didn't know you guys were in
11 the competition. I think it was purely
12 administrative.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
14 MS. ROBINSON: We decided to ignore those
15 requests, but it wasn't until 3:10 that I learned --
16 so they make me think, oh, great, we're finally
17 picking Bona Fide for something, and I'm going
18 beautiful, good, you guys have gotten religion, seen
19 the light. So I said, can you tell me how everybody
20 voted on the team? So I get this big, long pregnant
21 pause. Sally said: Why does that matter? We told
22 you that they selected -- it was a consensus that it
23 was Bona Fide. No. I want to know what
24 administrative record I'm dealing with right now as we
25 sit today.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: How did each person vote? Well,
3 everybody voted for CW Resources except one person.
4 I said, well, how the hell did we come up with Bona
5 Fide then?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Why? Because they wanted to give
8 you this dog.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: But anyway. So -- so I said:
11 Well, I don't understand. Why didn't they give it to
12 CW Resources?
14 MS. ROBINSON: Well, after everybody individually
15 filled out their stuff and voted that way. So I said:
16 So let me understand. If I look at the matrix, person
17 X had voted for CW Resources. Only one person -- I
18 don't understand how you reached -- well, after
19 everybody did their vote, we got together and after we
20 talked it all through, we decided to give it to Bona
21 Fide.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Huh.
23 MS. ROBINSON: I said, oh, okay. Well, you got a
24 few technical errors, because GSA clearly told you
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1 that. You need to tell the CRPs that too.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: It makes a big difference. I
4 said, but -- so then I said, where's a copy of the
5 CBA? What's the wage differential? And for your
6 sake -- you probably already know this. I don't know.
7 Do you have any -- you don't have any unionized
8 contracts, do you?
9 MR. LOPEZ: No, no.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And so I said, why would anybody
11 risk having their entire workforce unionized for
12 $300,000?
14 MS. ROBINSON: For that matter, for 500,000, but
15 it's better than 3.
17 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, and how many people
18 are we talking, five? I said, my guess is most of --
19 that the staff people responded to this, they didn't
20 talk it over with their CEOs, and as soon as their
21 CEOs find out, you know, that it's a unionized
22 situation and they're going to have to deal with that,
23 people are going to drop out.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
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1 give it to CW Resources? I'm confused, because, you
2 know, that's their buddy.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
4 MS. ROBINSON: So -- so I said, well, I'll deal
5 with the slack from reposting, so repost. And then
6 they spend another hour telling me how they're not
7 going to repost, and then this crazy Chris Wilke --
8 because I tried to get Martin on the phone too.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And they tell me how they haven't
11 done anything outside of the process, blah, blah,
12 blah. I point out all these flaws. They want to
13 debate them. Carlos is on stuttering because, you
14 know, he doesn't want to contradict me, but they're
15 clearly -- all of a sudden when Carlos and Mayling get
16 on the phone, it's let's attack Jean. Now, before, up
17 to that point everybody was confessional, we all had
18 an agreement, we had a consensus, but now we've got to
19 show off for the lawyers, and we've got to give Carlos
20 and Mayling half the facts.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, wow.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Okay? And I said, whoa, whoa,
23 whoa, whoa, whoa. So Carlos is nervous and, you know,
24 gets to stuttering.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: He knows -- he knows he's in the
2 middle of crap. And I'm going, okay. So they go
3 through their thing, and so Sally says: Well, I want
4 to hear from just Carlos and Mayling. We've heard
5 from you, Jean. I said, okay, fine. So Carlos
6 basically tells them the same thing.
7 And I said, now, so we repost, but you tell -- so
8 then Chris says, well, on behalf of Martin, so we'll
9 be able to tell Bona Fide that they're not entitled to
10 a debrief until the final. I said, yeah, you could do
11 that. I said, but you need to understand we're in the
12 middle of an OIG investigation where allegations have
13 been swirling that SourceAmerica is screwing Bona Fide
14 and so is GSA.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And this looks like another way to
17 screw Bona Fide.
19 MS. ROBINSON: I said, but this time it looks
20 like GSA might be innocent --
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- if they really don't know that
23 you guys are in the competition.
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1 the only way they know is if Bona Fide told them
2 because I didn't tell them. So but here's our glitch.
3 The reason I'm going to have it reposted is GSA
4 clearly told them six days before this opportunity
5 closed that the amount was going to go from 5 to 3.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And that they weren't going to go
8 AbilityOne unless -- that they weren't going to go
9 AbilityOne unless it was a Region 8. They didn't care
10 who. You know, they weren't trying to pick.
12 MS. ROBINSON: They just wanted -- because they
13 want to make it a part of another contract.
14 Administratively, I understand that.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So what they were trying to
17 do to you is then give it to you, and then when they
18 go back and tell GSA, we've selected somebody, but
19 they're not Region 8, what would GSA say?
20 MR. LOPEZ: They would reject it.
21 MS. ROBINSON: They would say, yeah, no. And
22 then if they heard it's Bona Fide, what would GSA say?
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And so it was a Machiavellian
2 Sally Henderson, Bob Chamberlin, Martin Williams,
3 Chris Wilke, 2014 start Happy New Year plot that took
4 me from 9:45 to 3:32 --
5 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
6 MS. ROBINSON: -- to re -- to foil.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
8 MS. ROBINSON: People are not happy, but, you
9 know, it is what it is.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
11 MS. ROBINSON: We're going to repost it. I said,
12 well, Bona Fide might apply again, everybody else
13 might apply again, I said, but my guess is, is that
14 when the CEOs, when you repost, they're going to look
15 closely at it to determine whether, you know, they
16 want to stay in, and when they hear about the CBA and
17 you give them a full copy of the CBA so they can read
18 it to see, you know, what the wage differentials are,
19 what the different holidays are, you know, what's
20 required, because you've got to honor that for a
21 year --
23 MS. ROBINSON: -- pretty much.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
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1 case, they may not -- you know, all these people
2 might -- because they have so many people. So then I
3 said, and then I -- you were in the back of my head,
4 because one of the things Sally said is -- Sally, why
5 the hell would you have seven competitors for such a
6 small contract?
8 MS. ROBINSON: Why does everybody want this?
9 Well, because they know that it's been debundled and
10 it's going to be -- it's just going to be part of more
11 work that's going to be there. So I heard you telling
12 me, Jean, what they -- the new trick is to break these
13 things into smaller pieces --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- so that they go off a lot of
16 people's radar screens.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And then -- okay. So that was the
19 plan here as well.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And I'm like, these people.
22 Jesus, they're starting the new year off right.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Well, and that --
24 MS. ROBINSON: So -- so one question that came up
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1 about this opportunity while we're in the middle of
2 reposting or whatever, what do we have to give them?
3 I said, we've got to give them what we've got to give
4 them, but you're going to ask Carlos that. So Carlos
5 said, yeah, we do. I said, well, they may not ask,
6 and there's no reason for them to ask if you -- when
7 you cancel the thing if you cancel it and then tell
8 them you're reposting. So then Sally spent another
9 hour trying to torpedo it by getting an extension --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- in other words, trying to ask
12 GSA -- the contract is supposed to begin May 1. She's
13 saying it's physically impossible to get it done and
14 added and started by May 1.
16 MS. ROBINSON: I said, well, what's changed?
17 Then it was physically impossible when you posted this
18 damn thing on the 2nd.
20 MS. ROBINSON: See, they never -- they picked
21 you, and it's all Machiavellian. And I said, so
22 everybody understands that we're a week behind now and
23 that everybody has got to step up to the plate, the
24 contractor has got to go out and do price negotiation
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: -- yesterday. Everybody is
3 willing to do that. Well, I think what she knew -- so
4 Linlee speaks up, because she's not too bright. You
5 know, when you get people in the Machiavellian plot,
6 you've got to make sure they're well-informed,
7 otherwise they -- because I feel so sorry for this --
8 she sounds -- I don't even know her, but she sounds
9 pretty innocent, but she's in the middle of crap,
10 okay?
11 So I said to her, I said, well, Linlee, if you go
12 back and tell your customer you need a three-month or
13 a six-month extension, what are they going to say to
14 you? She said, they're going to say, no, we're not
15 going to go AbilityOne.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So Sally thought that was the way
18 to kill it, right?
20 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: Then we're not going
21 to ask for an extension. You're going to go ahead and
22 rerun this thing, and you're going to keep the same
23 timeline, because the only thing that's different is
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And so a week isn't going to
2 change -- if you couldn't get it done under the old
3 circumstances, you couldn't get it done now.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: And you know if you ask for an
6 extension they're going to cancel it; so whatever you
7 do, don't ask for an extension.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Just tell GSA you're going to
10 repost, I said, because now you're killing -- I said,
11 this will be the second time I have to go before Bona
12 Fide and others and say, well, we -- we picked you,
13 but we took it out of the program.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct. Oh, those people,
15 they'll never change. Well, thankfully, they're very
16 consistent, and that's beautiful because you can count
17 on it.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I guess so. I guess we can,
19 but -- so you may get this one. It may be yours for
20 turning down, but, you know, I still haven't figured
21 out how everybody voted against you except one person
22 but then you still got it.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, that's -- I mean, what would --
24 if CW Resources asked for a debriefing and they find
25 this out, they can't defend it, they can't defend it.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Well, you know, that's the common
2 sense stuff that -- well, that's because they already
3 know CW ain't going to ask for one, they're part of
4 the plot.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, I see. I see.
6 MS. ROBINSON: That would be my guess.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And my guess would be when CW
9 Resources, somebody on the staff applied, I don't
10 think they're already unionized. I asked them, I
11 said, is CW Resource -- if you're already unionized,
12 you understand it and you're okay with it --
13 MR. LOPEZ: Right
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- and you're not concerned about
15 the rest of your workforce being unionized in other
16 contracts.
18 MS. ROBINSON: But if you're -- if you're not
19 unionized, then you're not going to take a 3 or even a
20 500,000, quite frankly.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Because you've got to pay lawyers
23 to deal with unions and, you know, it's just --
24 MR. LOPEZ: It's huge. It's a huge expense.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: So, you know, that's where they
2 forgot that my old labor background would come in
3 handy, but the bottomline is -- and I can't tell you
4 how many clients that I had that were CRPs before I,
5 you know, went in-house --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- that I would say to them, go
8 ahead, I'll win your union campaign for you.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: They're like, Jean, no offense,
11 but we're convinced you'll do it, but it will cost me
12 a lot of money to do it, and I'm not doing it.
14 MS. ROBINSON: There's much bigger -- much bigger
15 contracts. And I'd say, okay, pass on it then, you
16 know.
17 MR. LOPEZ: That's true.
18 MS. ROBINSON: But the whole thing is they sat
19 and plotted this one since December till now.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I have to admit, it did take
22 me about six hours to undo it, though, didn't it?
23 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
24 MS. ROBINSON: But in any event. So welcome back
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1 because I got back late last night and it's snowy
2 and cold here, but --
3 MR. LOPEZ: I was wondering about that. I was
4 wondering. Well, I was also welcomed to 2014 by our
5 beloved mutual friend Denise Ransom just about half
6 hour ago.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, what's going on with her? I
8 haven't heard anything on that.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Well, she's calling to see whether I
10 can help her get a job with CH2M Hill.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Well, did she -- is she still
12 working for us?
13 MR. LOPEZ: She's still working for you as far as
14 I know.
16 MR. LOPEZ: But she knows that she's on a 30-day
17 basis, you know.
18 MS. ROBINSON: She's on a short leash.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly. But this is -- this is the
20 interesting part.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Well, has she decided to recant, I
22 mean, if she wants to --
23 MR. LOPEZ: Right. You know, that's the
24 interesting thing.
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1 that one if I were you.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Well, you know, she won't -- I
3 said -- I said, Denise, that's fine, I said, but let's
4 be honest here, let's put the cards on the table and
5 let's just be very transparent so that we can work
6 together cooperatively, you know, productively. I
7 said, Denise, did you tell the IG exactly what you and
8 I discussed about? She said, it's been five years, I
9 forget. I said --
10 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, shit. Yeah, you can't trust
11 her, man.
12 MR. LOPEZ: I said, Denise, did you -- did
13 anybody of your superiors, did anybody talk to you
14 about the upcoming interview with the IG and instruct
15 you what to say? Oh, no, they just told me to say
16 what the truth was. I said, really.
17 MS. ROBINSON: That's true, we did tell her that,
18 but -- but you forgot to do that, but that's okay.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah. I asked her, did
20 anybody, specifically anybody, I mean, your superior,
21 could it be Dennis Hynes or Dave Dubinsky or Gimenez,
22 did they approach you about, you know, not to say
23 anything? Oh, no, no, that didn't happen. Now, you
24 and I know that Dennis -- Dennis Hynes told her to
25 keep quiet.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. What stays in the locker
2 room or some crap like that.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Exactly, what stays in the locker
4 room. She denied it. I asked her, oh, did you have
5 occasion to, you know, talk to anybody in national
6 about this? You must have. Someone must have talked
7 to you. No, no, I didn't. She never told me.
8 MS. ROBINSON: When she's out of there, when
9 she's out she'll come clean, but -- because then she
10 won't have anything to lose. Right now she's probably
11 holding on to the prayer that they're going to keep
12 her or she may actually -- you've got to be careful,
13 she may actually be working with them.
15 MS. ROBINSON: There may be no plot for them to
16 get rid of her.
18 MS. ROBINSON: She may just be trying to say if
19 she could -- see if she could cut a deal with you on
20 the side.
22 MS. ROBINSON: You've got to watch her.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. But, I mean, she did
24 come to you, right? I mean, there's no doubt in your
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, absolutely, absolutely. Yes,
2 yes, yes, yes. She even wrote a statement for me and,
3 oh, yeah. I mean, everybody will remember that, and
4 I -- if I went back and traced the emails, it's been a
5 long time, but if I went back and traced the emails,
6 she clearly said to me that Paul Plattner and Martin
7 told her not to come to me.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And that she was there and, you
10 know, so forth and so on. So, yeah, we got notes on
11 that somewhere. Yeah, there's notes.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
13 MS. ROBINSON: I'd have to look them up, but,
14 yeah, we got all that stuff somewhere.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Lord knows where they are, but,
17 you know, we have them.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Well, she's -- she's a difficult one,
19 a very difficult one.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I have a -- as I get older,
21 my memory gets more faulty.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But it ain't faulty on that one.
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1 really remember, and I don't remember every little
2 part of it, but I remember that Craig and her and
3 Kathy Wright were all a piece of work, but she
4 recanted because she thought she was going to -- she
5 got screwed is what happened. I'm sure David, you
6 know, talked fast to her and promised her if she
7 became a team player and stuck with the -- with the
8 group. Okay, just to tell you, did you guys go to
9 some kind of baseball game together in Arizona or
10 something? I forgot where, but did you guys go to a
11 baseball game together?
12 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, we did.
13 MS. ROBINSON: I'm -- I'm just telling you
14 everything she told me, okay, and so --
15 MR. LOPEZ: You're right, we did, and she and I
16 are the only ones who know that we went.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Well, but I know. I know too.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, now you too.
19 MS. ROBINSON: And I know because she told me,
20 and that's the only way I know, because you sure
21 didn't tell me.
23 MS. ROBINSON: So what I'm trying to tell you is
24 I remember it -- I don't remember it like it was
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1 she described you as a hero initially and then she --
2 she went so far back on that. She describes you
3 enough of a hero that before I ever met you -- what's
4 the matter, Teresa? Hold on a second -- that I
5 decided that you were probably on the right side of
6 things.
7 (Discussion between Ms. Robinson and her daughter.)
8 MR. LOPEZ: All right. I'll let you go. I'll
9 let you go, Jean.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, but, anyway, so -- so that's
11 what's going on. The other thing is clearly while I
12 was on vacation it was interrupted pointedly several
13 times by Ms. Goodman and Mr. Chamberlin and Mr. Bates
14 to prepare for this January, I think it's 9th meeting,
15 coincidently scheduled right after we have the
16 debriefing with Carlos and Mayling about what's going
17 on with the OIG, but that's performance review, and I
18 would say on that -- on that day we're going to act on
19 our plan two of our walking paper type thing.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But that's -- that's my guess on
22 that, but we'll see. That would be my guess. Last
23 but not least, we also had another complaint right
24 before I left that -- talking about -- and I cracked
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1 and said it was inappropriate for Bob to go to
2 Australia, and they had a bunch of stuff around that.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
4 MS. ROBINSON: So the audit committee has said,
5 you know, we expect you, Jean, to put it to bed, blah,
6 blah, blah, blah, blah, but the bottomline being that
7 that's working its way, which I thought was pretty
8 funny. So interesting things have happened. We also
9 had a -- the IRS, we got through that audit. They cut
10 us loose on the pension plans and stuff, but -- here
11 it is, Teresa, here -- but the DOL decided not to let
12 us loose, so we're now under a DOL audit as well.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And this is all around Elizabeth
15 and Bob and their stuff around the pension plans and
16 mistakes and so forth and so on. So they're not
17 happy, but they are stepping up their game.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Well, you know we're being
19 audited by SourceAmerica on the 14th.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, you are?
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
22 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, you know, turnabout is fair
23 play.
24 MR. LOPEZ: I guess it does roll downhill.
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1 but -- well, you don't care if you help her get over
2 to CM2 Hill, though, right? I mean, can you do that
3 for her?
4 MR. LOPEZ: I'm sorry?
5 MS. ROBINSON: Can you help what's-her-face get
6 over to CM2 Hill or CMH2 Hill?
7 MR. LOPEZ: Well, I guess I could do something,
8 but --
9 MS. ROBINSON: But do you want to, is the
10 question.
11 MR. LOPEZ: I -- I might not want to because I --
12 I don't want to muddy the waters, you know? I don't
13 want to muddy the waters, because this thing --
14 MS. ROBINSON: Well, the other -- yeah, that's
15 the other thing too, yeah, I was going to say. I
16 thought she was still aiming to come work for you, but
17 so she had her sights on CMH2 Hill, is that --
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, I mean, two things. First she
19 asked to work with me, but I think the way things are
20 at this moment it would be just -- it would muddy the
21 waters horribly, and it's --
22 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yeah, because then it -- okay,
23 look at it this way. She comes to work for you, and
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1 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, it changes back to what
2 it was originally.
4 MS. ROBINSON: That's a better way of putting
5 that.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Then they'll say, oh, she's just
8 doing it now because she works for him --
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- because she's looking for a
11 job. I think -- I'm not sure that she's not playing
12 ball with them. I'm not sure that the whole thing
13 isn't a way to try to set you up.
14 MR. LOPEZ: I agree.
15 MS. ROBINSON: A Dave -- a Dave Dubinsky
16 Machiavellian set you up.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure. I would agree with that.
18 I would agree with that because why --
19 MS. ROBINSON: In fact, I think it's more that
20 than anything else.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
22 MS. ROBINSON: If I had to guess. I mean, that
23 was my initial, but then when I heard about this
24 Isleen stuff and all of that, I said, well, maybe,
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2 MR. LOPEZ: Right. You know, she doesn't -- she
3 doesn't come clean with that either. I said -- I
4 asked her twice. I said, Denise, are you sure that
5 Isleen left? Oh, yes. I said, are you sure? Well,
6 I -- you know, I don't know about those things. She
7 finally -- I don't know about those things. She --
8 she pleaded the Fifth.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. No. Yeah, she's just
10 trying to set you up, because if I -- if she really
11 was a part of -- you know, wasn't a part of doing
12 something for them, then she would say to you, hey,
13 Isleen left and, you know, she went and got a lawyer,
14 because they talk all the time.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And she's suing SourceAmerica. By
17 the way, I called that lawyer back. I said, hey, go
18 forth and do well, I guess I'll see you in court.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. Now, where --
20 MS. ROBINSON: So I haven't heard anything. So
21 I'm just waiting any day for that to come flying
22 across. But -- but the bottomline is, is that, yeah,
23 it's very Machiavellian because Dave also reversed
24 himself against Isleen, but I think they're just
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1 But Dave -- the reason I also feel the way I feel
2 that it's part of a setup is that Dave, when I called
3 him to talk about Isleen, in order to respond to
4 Isleen's lawyer --
5 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
6 MS. ROBINSON: -- I would say no less than nine
7 times, and, you know, I go mostly on gut feeling for
8 most of this stuff --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- did he talk about the Denise
11 Ransom situation. I said: Oh, I was totally unaware
12 of that. Really. So he was confirming to me that the
13 two of them got this notion in their head about
14 getting more for their houses, but he stayed on
15 Denise, and I didn't -- each time he introduced it, I
16 would not touch it.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And in fact I glossed over it so
19 quickly the first couple times that he wanted to make
20 sure I got it.
22 MS. ROBINSON: He circled around and said, oh,
23 you know, I told you about Denise Ransom, you know
24 about that situation. I said, I know. Well, you
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1 temporary kind of thing, and if she doesn't, you know,
2 change her mind, then I'm not going to approve those
3 jobs of commuting from there. I said: Oh, yeah,
4 okay. Well, yeah, you need to be consistent. You
5 know, I just kept going.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So it was -- it was not -- he had
8 a way, he had a segue because it was the same subject
9 matter.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But it really didn't belong in the
12 conversation.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Of course. I understand exactly what
14 you're saying.
15 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and the other side of it
16 is, is that he would have called me -- when we get
17 letters from lawyers, Dave is going to always call you
18 and give you his side of the story.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
20 MS. ROBINSON: He didn't call. He didn't call.
21 And once the letter -- because Isleen may be playing
22 ball with them too as well is what I'm trying to tell
23 you.
24 MR. LOPEZ: How so?
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1 have proof that we communicated with this lawyer,
2 blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, she writes her letter to
3 Bob Chamberlin, and then just before the holidays, I
4 think I read you that -- that email she wrote where
5 I'm the bad guy.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Right. And -- what do you need?
8 (Discussion between Ms. Robinson and her daughter.)
9 MS. ROBINSON: So the bottomline is they got
10 something good on the record which Bob is trying to
11 deal with, and let me say it this way. Your lawyer
12 Dan would never -- if he was trying to negotiate a
13 deal for you --
14 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- you're not going to try and
16 take out the person you're negotiating the deal with.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Why would you do that? That would
19 be like, you know, pulling your pants down at the
20 judge.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: You know, it's --
23 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
24 MS. ROBINSON: So it was clear to me, I was like,
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1 lawyer making a demand letter. So each time, luckily
2 for me, because I sensed that maybe Isleen's thing
3 wasn't totally aboveboard after talking to Dave, I
4 made sure Pam was on -- you know, that I had a witness
5 on the phone when I talked to this woman.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
7 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, oh, Pam, call her up,
8 I want to tell her if she wants to go file five cases
9 against SourceAmerica, have at it.
11 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so the bottomline is
12 that there's -- they're pretty Machiavellian, and
13 they're pretty -- they have more time at this than we
14 do, I guess.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Well, that's their area of expertise.
16 MS. ROBINSON: It took them the whole two weeks
17 to plot this thing with -- with this last opportunity.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Yeah.
19 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so, but they got --
20 again, they got a chance to raise my blood pressure
21 and attack me for four, five hours and make it all I'm
22 the bad guy, which is fine, you know. And I said,
23 well, I just want to be clear what advice I'm giving
24 on the record.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: You guys do whatever you want to
2 do with it, but this is the way I think it ought to
3 go.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: So we'll see, you know. And what
6 it was, is they don't intend to give you anything
7 that's real. They just want to either give you the
8 dogs or the things that could really potentially --
9 now, any other time they would have real concerns that
10 Bona Fide has no presence in Colorado.
12 MS. ROBINSON: TTC does. They quickly told me
13 that.
15 MS. ROBINSON: Any other time that would be a big
16 issue, right?
18 MS. ROBINSON: Especially when you have an
19 incumbent -- not an incumbent, but a current CRP that
20 is cleaning on that same site that you guys are
21 bidding on.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely. CW --
23 MS. ROBINSON: And doing a good job, by the way.
24 I said, well, how are they doing? I mean, you know,
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
2 MS. ROBINSON: I said -- I told them, why did you
3 guys even run this competition?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: This is one clearly that they
6 should have and could have limited to the guy who's
7 already there --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: -- who has a little one there or
10 just Region 8.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because of how GSA is placing in
13 the program, if that stuff is true.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Correct. Let me ask you this
15 question, Jean. Now, CW Resources has the
16 landscaping, right? Am I correct?
17 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know, because I told you I
18 didn't find out that everybody voted for them -- to
19 give it to them until 10 after 3:00. I had been on
20 the phone since 9:45, Ruben. I'm not lying to you.
21 MR. LOPEZ: I think that they did give them the
22 landscaping. That was the issue that we had a year
23 ago when they gave it to them, CW Resources, and I
24 think -- CW Resources isn't -- don't they -- doesn't
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1 has a relationship with Sally?
2 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know. Whose -- all I know
3 is it's one of their -- I know their favorites now. I
4 mean, you know, I don't always know the connections,
5 but who is the -- no, no. You're talking about
6 ServiceSource.
7 MR. LOPEZ: ServiceSource. Now, she --
8 MS. ROBINSON: ServiceSource.
9 MR. LOPEZ: She's the one that has a relationship
10 with Sally?
11 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, yes. In fact, more, I think,
12 than just platonic, but that's just my --
15 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. Well, we'll see, we'll see.
16 MS. ROBINSON: But CW Resources, no, that's a
17 guy. Isn't that -- isn't that Ron Buccilli? We need
18 to find that out, because if you tell me who it is I
19 can tell you the connection because I think he has a
20 Jim Barone, Bob Chamberlin contact.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct, correct.
22 MS. ROBINSON: But they're getting everything. I
23 mean, they get everything, CW Resource. And Dave's
24 favorite out in your region is Crossroads. Who are
25 they?
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Yeah, another David.
2 Crossroads -- the CEO of Crossroads is David
3 something.
4 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. But, well, that's Dave's
5 buddy or Dave's friend, Dave Dubinsky.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: He tries to get everything he can
8 to C -- to Crossroads.
9 MR. LOPEZ: And also in southern California --
10 MS. ROBINSON: And I didn't realize that.
11 Valerie before she left us discovered that. She said,
12 Jean, on all of these debriefs that I've been on on
13 all of these questionable allocations, she said, Dave
14 finds a way to get it to Crossroads no matter what,
15 and they always seem to be part of the Machiavellian
16 plots.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, well, what's that all
19 about? And she said, well, I think Dave -- she
20 figured that out. I didn't figure that out. I mean,
21 I can't keep up with these people.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Right. And what do you think of Job
23 Ops here in southern California? Why do they get
24 everything from Dave, Job Ops?
25 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, well, Job Ops is -- oh, that

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1 one was almost an NCED debacle. Job Options, William
2 Mead used to be on our board.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right
4 MS. ROBINSON: And he left our board, but he had
5 a lot of influence, and, yeah, yeah, that's Dave's
6 favorite too, even when he doesn't have to, but the
7 Commission jumped in on that one because somebody took
8 the covers off of them because of how they were
9 structured --
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- and that they were for profit,
12 and the Commission did a whole investigation of them.
13 Now, it was all for show. Now, they let it go.
14 MR. LOPEZ: They let it go.
15 MS. ROBINSON: But they did do it.
16 MR. LOPEZ: But they didn't do anything about it.
17 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I mean, it depends on what
18 you call doing anything about it. I mean, they left
19 it in the program; they asked them a lot of questions.
20 They went around legal, and that's one of the ones
21 where John Huggins was like, I don't understand these
22 people, I've got to get out of here, is they had
23 Elizabeth at the Commission doing the legal
24 presentation about their corporate structure, assigned
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1 like, why wouldn't you give that to legal, how is she
2 even qualified to -- and Tina Ballard was the main
3 one. You know, she was the one saying, I want
4 Elizabeth to do it, and of course Bob, of course, but
5 somehow they managed to eke out, squeak out, but it
6 never sat well with Karen what's her name, the one who
7 is the private citizen on the Commission, because
8 every time she gets a chance to say, well, I never
9 understood how that Jobs Options thing went either, I
10 never was happy with that.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And I just kind of laughed, you
13 know, because it's true. So, no, they did some window
14 dressing around it because for some reason that one
15 scared Tina, the bejesus out of Tina, and I don't know
16 if DOJ -- or somebody got involved where Tina realized
17 they needed to do some window dressing around it, you
18 know, like pretend they were really going after them,
19 but then nothing ever happened.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Understood, understood.
21 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so and then -- and then
22 I think they told Dave don't give them any more
23 opportunities for a while. So that should be cooled
24 off by now. You know, that was a year and a half, two
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Well, they gave them the
2 Department of Homeland Security contract that --
3 MS. ROBINSON: Well, usually -- usually when they
4 do stuff like that, here's what I've learned. When
5 they -- when they pretend they're going to have an
6 investigation of PRIDE or Job Options or NCED, it's
7 because there's a huge opportunity somewhere that is
8 not visible right now to anybody except them.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And then they take the time and
11 muddy them up and then clean them up, and then the
12 next thing you know they get some nice, really cushy
13 opportunity.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Beautiful, beautiful.
15 MS. ROBINSON: That's kind of a pattern and
16 trend. That's -- you know, Job Options is probably no
17 different. I just -- they just haven't been on my
18 radar as much.
20 MS. ROBINSON: But, yeah. No, they've got some
21 real corporate structure who's running the store, how
22 much those guys are getting paid, how the money is
23 flowing, what their 990's look like. They're not --
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And William Mead used to be on
2 our board.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, of course, of course.
4 MS. ROBINSON: And he turned against us for a
5 minute when they started holding him out, but it was
6 just a minute.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Now he's back in the flock.
8 MS. ROBINSON: He never left. I mean, you know,
9 they hauled him before the Commission. I mean, I sat
10 through those presentations. They were -- they were
11 pretty weak.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
13 MS. ROBINSON: But nothing ever happened to him.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, these people, they're beautifully
15 consistent. We're beginning to love it.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Well, now that they are. That I
17 have to give them credit for. They are consistently
18 stupid, but, yeah, it's just the way it works.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Well --
20 MS. ROBINSON: So, anyway. But I'm going to go
21 because I've got to go feed the little one, but I just
22 thought you would enjoy that my first day back at work
23 I spent the whole darned time doing Bona Fide stuff
24 for six hours.
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1 back.
2 MS. ROBINSON: But it took me -- I have to admit,
3 I thought it was going to be a ten-minute
4 conversation.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I thought, well, good, they
7 finally gave you something.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And they knew I was going to look
10 at it closely.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Why? Exactly.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Well, and the reason I thought it
13 was going to be okay is because it's little enough.
15 MS. ROBINSON: I didn't realize it was setting
16 you -- I didn't realize it was something no one
17 else -- and she was so quick to say, we had seven
18 people apply. Well, that's unusual in and of itself.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Absolutely.
20 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, think about it.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Yep, yep.
22 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, come on. So I was like,
23 um-hmm. So I said, well, let's see -- so when we redo
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1 MS. ROBINSON: You know, but -- but in any event,
2 this is one where GSA -- they tried to set GSA up,
3 and I said, why are you guys trying to set them up?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: I'm not going to go along with
6 that.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: And believe me, GSA
9 ain't going to go along with it. They've had enough
10 troubles these days. They're not going to -- they're
11 not going to say we didn't tell or we didn't do this
12 on this day. So clearly -- you know, Bob worked over
13 the holidays. Dennis was gone. I was gone. Bob
14 worked, but clearly he was busy.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, he was busy, I mean, because
16 it's very interesting how when GSA wants something
17 like in this case, they don't -- they don't say, they
18 don't exhibit it to the nonprofit agencies, and then
19 like the Elizabeth out there with the Coast Guard
20 headquarters when they didn't want top security, Joe
21 Diaz says they do want it. So evidently --
22 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, I know, I know, I know, I
23 know. It's -- I told them, I said, it's
24 inconsistency. But one thing I did learn today, I
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1 quicker about getting to the chase, because I'm
2 telling you it was 10 after 3:00 when I -- but I
3 wouldn't have thought to ask. I have to give Sally
4 credit, they were fairly smooth on that. I wouldn't
5 have thought to ask, because if you call me up and you
6 say it was a consensus, everybody voted for Bon Fide,
7 I wouldn't think to say, well, was it unanimous?
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Kind of you said that, but they
10 were careful in their choice of words that it was a
11 consensus.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Ah.
13 MS. ROBINSON: But when you -- so I still don't
14 even understand how they got to the consensus.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Three to one is not a consensus
17 last time I --
18 MR. LOPEZ: No. Good point, good point.
19 MS. ROBINSON: The bottomline is I didn't
20 think -- but Sally was just -- she was like, damn, I
21 know we just talked too long, and she finally threw in
22 the towel. And, you know, I don't know what they're
23 going to do with it, but I want to be on record as
24 having given the advice, and they can do whatever they
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1 working overtime on you.
2 MR. LOPEZ: We love it. We love it. Someday it
3 will pay off.
4 MS. ROBINSON: All right. I'm back. I'll put
5 you -- I'll keep you posted as to what's what. I'm
6 going to go talk to Carlos, who's stuttering way too
7 much for my liking, by the way.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Poor Carlos.
9 MS. ROBINSON: No, no. That's always a bad sign.
10 Let me tell you what that means. That means -- it's
11 like -- it's like if I start avoiding you and, you
12 know, our conversation becomes really stilted --
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know something is up.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Right?
17 MR. LOPEZ: Absolutely, absolutely.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And so -- so I need to go find out
19 why he was as stilted on this thing as he was and try
20 to, you know, pretend there was no process flaw --
21 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
22 MS. ROBINSON: -- and what was going on. I mean,
23 I know they had him in a rock and a hard place. It
24 was my idea to drag him into the conversation only
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1 and Lisa and they weren't going to have the answers,
2 so it was better for him to hear it from the horse's
3 head than --
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- yeah, than me try to translate.
6 So I think -- when are the interviews? You know, I've
7 got to find out when the interviews are. We still --
8 okay, just to give you some idea. I don't know when
9 Scott came, but it was in November, right?
11 MS. ROBINSON: We still have not sat down with
12 Bob and Dennis to tell them what the OIG is
13 investigating or the seriousness of it or any of that.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. They're taking --
15 MS. ROBINSON: Just so you know. Huh?
16 MR. LOPEZ: They're taking it too lightly.
17 They're taking it too lightly.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I know. Well, we're
19 scheduled now I think for sometime next week, but I'm
20 just telling you that, you know, it's -- they don't
21 get it. I think Carlos gets it. Our people don't get
22 it, but I think he's scared to communicate it to them.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Because he sees what happens when
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Wow. Well --
2 MS. ROBINSON: So he's -- he's pretty nervous.
3 He was -- like I said, he stuttered for three hours
4 today.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, no. Oh, no. Well --
6 MS. ROBINSON: And that's not good. Plus he's
7 not doing so well. I mean, he's doing better, but I'm
8 sure he's in a compromised position. And Mayling
9 was -- I forgot what she asked, but she's got the same
10 aged kid I have, so you could hear her kid talking in
11 the background, because the kids don't go back to
12 school until next week.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Monday.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Monday. That's right.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And Mayling did ask one very
17 pointed question. She was like totally confused.
18 She's like, well, wait a minute, you know. Because
19 when you're new you just ask common sense questions --
21 MS. ROBINSON: -- like logical questions, and the
22 stuff wasn't flowing logically. So she asked one
23 question, and Sally -- Sally is pretty good, though.
24 I mean, she's definitely on their team, but she took
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2 MR. LOPEZ: What was the question? What was the
3 question?
4 MS. ROBINSON: And I don't -- right this minute
5 I'm not remembering it.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
7 MS. ROBINSON: But it was -- but it was a good
8 question, and it was around, you know, how they got to
9 you guys and what the requirements were, etcetera,
10 etcetera, and Sally didn't really answer the
11 damn question. Oh, I know what it was. It was
12 around, well, what happens when you give GSA a
13 non-Region 8 selectee?
15 MS. ROBINSON: Instead of just saying GSA is
16 going to say, no way, Jose.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And we told you not to do that,
19 and it had nothing to do with Bona Fide.
21 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, nothing personal to Bona
22 Fide, although it will be too, by the way, but at
23 least on record they can say no. Then she's covered.
24 So what -- the way that Sally -- Mayling sensed that
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3 MS. ROBINSON: And so she was trying to say --
4 she asked her what would -- what are they going to say
5 when -- let's say we redo this thing and Bona Fide
6 still gets it, what are you -- and you tell them it's
7 got to be Bona Fide, what are they going to do?
9 MS. ROBINSON: And so Sally said she didn't know.
10 And I said, well, Sally, why would you tell -- she
11 took like ten minutes to say she didn't know.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, why would you say that
14 when earlier before Mayling and Carlos got on the
15 phone you clearly told me and whoever the young kid's
16 name was -- she may not be young, but she sounded like
17 a deer in the headlights. She said, if I tell them
18 it's -- if I tell them it's a non-Region 8 they're
19 going to say they're not going AbilityOne, they're
20 going to pull it from the program.
22 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, and if you tell them
23 it's Bona Fide? She said there was a 50-50 chance if
24 she told them. This is what the young, innocent
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2 it, it was going to be perfect anyway because it's a
3 dog contract.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: You get it?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
7 MS. ROBINSON: But she was going to let GSA be
8 the heavy.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, and if you tell them
11 you're giving them a non-Region 8 and it's Bona Fide,
12 what do you think they're going to say? She said,
13 well, probably about 80 percent they're going to pull
14 it from the program.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: Oh, okay, so you guys
17 are just trying to kill it and cover up our process
18 problems by letting GSA be the heavy. Is that what
19 we're doing? I just need to know if I'm going to be
20 in this thing.
21 So they said, well, you know, kind of. And
22 that's when Martin's boy Chris spoke up and yelled and
23 screamed. And I said, well, Chris, if you're done
24 yelling and screaming, I'll try to talk, but I'm not
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2 MS. ROBINSON: So he did -- so once they find out
3 legal wasn't going to sign off on this Machiavellian
4 plot.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: They can do it. I mean, I can
7 never stop them from doing things.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Now they're rethinking.
11 MS. ROBINSON: So they went off to rethink.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Good, good, good.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Well, all right. I'll talk to you
14 later.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Jean, before I leave the phone.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Yes.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Can you send Dan Cragg the response
18 for the Puerto Rico debriefing? Remember? Can you
19 send it to us?
20 MS. ROBINSON: Yes, but I can't do it until I get
21 into the office on Monday because --
22 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. No problem.
23 MS. ROBINSON: Dan did call me, by the way, but
24 he called me on my home phone, and I didn't get any of
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2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. No problem, no problem.
3 MS. ROBINSON: For some reason he called me on my
4 home phone, and it was during -- remember the storm
5 where we had the power outages?
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, yes.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Because I had 19 messages on my
8 home phone and I cleared them all last night.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And when I cleared them, I saw
11 that Dan called me whenever, like December -- right
12 when we had that power outage thing.
13 MR. LOPEZ: No problem.
14 MS. ROBINSON: So I've got to -- but I also have
15 to -- with those idiots, I got to figure out what it
16 is they can give Dan because you already know I've got
17 the answers --
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- the written answers, but Carlos
20 is maintaining that we don't have to give those to
21 you. And Dennis and Bob Chamberlin said, well, yeah,
22 we got these answers, but we're not going to give them
23 to Ruben's lawyer.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
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1 That's when they turned around and said, Carlos, what
2 do you think? Carlos said, no, I don't think we have
3 to give them to him. So there's a little bit of
4 in-house controversy on what we have to give Dan.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Whenever it is, just as long as --
6 MS. ROBINSON: No, no, no. So we're going to
7 give him something. We're going to give him
8 something. We're going to get him those. And so I
9 owe Dan a call, but I'm going to do that on Monday.
10 MR. LOPEZ: Thank you, Jean. Thank you.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Have a great weekend.
13 MS. ROBINSON: All right. Talk to you later.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. Bye-bye.
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2 MS. ROBINSON: Tomorrow is the big meeting with
3 Bob and Dennis and Carlos and me and Mayling, who is
4 Carlos's associate, and Bill Coleman to brief on what
5 Scott and Lisa want.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Okay. So that's tomorrow.
7 MS. ROBINSON: So we'll see how -- we'll see how
8 that goes. Scheduled for an hour and a half. And the
9 only other thing Bill Coleman told me is, you doing
10 okay, Jean? I said, well, yeah.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because whenever he asks that, it
13 always means there's something coming down the pike.
14 And so he said, well, you got a meeting coming up. I
15 said, yeah, I do. So my meeting is the 9th. What is
16 that, Thursday?
17 MR. LOPEZ: Thursday, Thursday the 9th.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, so we'll see. We'll see
19 what happens. But tomorrow at least they'll have some
20 sense of what -- what we're looking for. The other
21 thing that is new I don't know if I talked to you
22 about, but there is a complaint that came in right
23 before the holidays regarding Bob Chamberlin's
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And the audit committee has had
2 a very interesting response. It came in through
3 EthicsPoint, which is something that Mr. Mumper has
4 asked for all copies of EthicsPoint, so eventually
5 he'll -- he'll be looking at it. But the audit
6 committee sent back some stuff saying, oh, just
7 dispose of it, you know, Jean, just -- you know,
8 they're kind of giving it short shrift and, you know,
9 laying out what their expectations of how I will
10 investigate it.
11 I have not called the Commission because they're
12 kind of mentioned in it too, the Commission -- the
13 Commission and who else do they got? And the board.
14 So it's interesting that the board would be stupid
15 enough to write the kind of emails they're writing
16 about it, but they're not the brightest people in the
17 world.
19 MS. ROBINSON: So that's an investigation that
20 I'll be doing, I guess. Now, I can't -- I got to
21 think this through. Carlos is so afraid of them, I
22 don't know if I should be doing it since I report to
23 him. I got to figure this out. I mean, I think I
24 could do the preliminary stuff, but I don't think --
25 well, I'll see. You know, I'll see how it's -- what
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1 it -- but Bill -- Bill Coleman did say -- I said to
2 him, I said, well, somebody has got to look at -- I'm
3 not worried about -- I don't think -- Bob's not the --
4 not the kind of guy who is crazy with travel expenses
5 and stuff, you know. He's pretty cheap. He's pretty
6 frugal. He's pretty economical. I can't imagine that
7 there would be anything there that way.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
9 MS. ROBINSON: I can't imagine. But in any
10 event, that's -- that's coming down too, so it will --
11 it will be interesting to see how all that works
12 before the 9th.
14 MS. ROBINSON: You know? So that's -- that's
15 what's happening on this end. But definitely if you
16 can get to Dorothy.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
18 MS. ROBINSON: I don't even know when we're
19 supposed to get together and count these ballots. I
20 just know that they act like -- well, Mike Kivitz made
21 some comment once that, well, who was in the room
22 counting? Well, everybody. So I always invite Bob to
23 the counting.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
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1 last couple years that I didn't even open them, and
2 now I'm like, oh, hell, my integrity is better than
3 that, I'm going to open the darn things like I told
4 them I'd do.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, we can all sit and
7 count them together, and they can double-check them
8 and the whole -- and every year that damn
9 ServiceSource votes twice. Every year I've got to
10 throw one of them out. You know, I just -- you know,
11 I think I'm going to call her this year and say, are
12 you from Chicago? And the reason I'm going to do it
13 is because last year she went directly to Bob and
14 everybody else and said, you know, she didn't receive
15 her ballot, and at the time she went and said she
16 didn't receive her ballot she'd already voted twice.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
18 MS. ROBINSON: She had sent it in twice. And so
19 Bob comes running to me, you know, watch what's
20 happening with the ballots, Janice didn't receive
21 hers, and so forth and so on. I said, not only did
22 she receive it, she voted twice already. In fact, she
23 was in the pile for me to call and say, sorry, this is
24 not Chicago, you only get to vote once. Early but not
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1 don't know.
2 Who is this other candidate that ran against
3 Dorothy? Who is Jennifer Dotson?
4 MR. LOPEZ: From Hawaii, from Hawaii.
5 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. Well, PRIDE voted for her.
6 I'm watching who voted for her, and it's the
7 favorites, so I was just -- I was just curious as to
8 what that was all about, but I don't know her.
9 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. I don't either, but I know
10 she's from Hawaii, that's about all.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Well, the Hawaii people didn't
12 vote for her.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
14 MS. ROBINSON: That's crazy.
15 MR. LOPEZ: That tells you something.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So I don't know, but -- but in any
17 event, yeah, tell them -- tell them both go campaign.
18 I don't know anything about her, but -- but I do get a
19 little circumspect when I see who's voting for
20 Ms. Dotson.
22 MS. ROBINSON: But in any event. And the fact
23 that they put three people on the ballot.
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1 for Mr. King.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, hugely.
3 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, without question, but --
4 MR. LOPEZ: It's in the bag. It's in the bag.
5 MS. ROBINSON: Huh?
6 MR. LOPEZ: It's in the bag for him, I think.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Well, he's an incumbent, so even
8 if -- even if no one did anything, it's a little hard
9 to beat an incumbent, but in this case I think they
10 did a little extra campaigning.
12 MS. ROBINSON: And it's going to be, like I said,
13 real important that -- now, PRIDE could just be voting
14 for her to throw everybody off the trail. They do
15 things like that.
17 MS. ROBINSON: And I just -- like I said, I
18 haven't been involved enough even to know. I mean, if
19 I had been in there, I wouldn't have let them put
20 three people on the ballot. They changed the rules
21 for this election in that -- in that it used to be we
22 would have to do a run-off election if no one person
23 got the majority of votes cast.
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1 they were sticking Dorothy on the ballot for
2 show-and-tell to avoid having to do a run-off election
3 they changed the rules this time, good ol' Deborah
4 Atkinson and Jim Barone. They changed the rules this
5 time so it's not whoever got the majority of votes
6 cast, but it is the majority of votes, period.
7 Whoever gets the most votes wins.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Gotcha, gotcha.
9 MS. ROBINSON: So that's a little bit different.
10 So, like I said, if she -- if she goes out and
11 campaigns fair and square and, you know, really --
12 she's got to really hound these people to do it. I
13 mean, nobody gives a crap about the NISH election --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- or SourceAmerica election.
17 MS. ROBINSON: So she's got to impress upon them
18 to go in their pile and get the stupid thing off their
19 desk --
21 MS. ROBINSON: -- and put it in the mail. Did we
22 pay for postage this time?
23 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, you do. Yes, you did.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Okay. So all they got to do is
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1 MR. LOPEZ: That's it, that's it.
2 MS. ROBINSON: So when she calls them, she should
3 say to them, would you do me a favor and grab it right
4 now while I'm on the phone and do it, because I know
5 you'll have good intentions but once I hang up you'll
6 go back to your busy workday --
8 MS. ROBINSON: -- and you might forget.
10 MS. ROBINSON: So she would do real well if she
11 could do that and kind of hang on until she got --
12 because those who haven't sent it back don't care.
14 MS. ROBINSON: You know.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. No.
16 MS. ROBINSON: So they're just as inclined to
17 vote for her as they are anybody else, but she's got
18 to stay with it until she knows that they literally
19 have a piece of paper in their hand and that they've
20 given it to their secretary or put it in the outbox or
21 something.
22 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right. That's important. I
23 will do that.
24 MS. ROBINSON: So tell her -- yeah, tell her to
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. I wanted to briefly -- do
2 you have a minute? I wanted to --
4 MR. LOPEZ: I will go by briefly two things, if I
5 may. One was the Puerto Rico situation.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, I have not forgotten.
7 MR. LOPEZ: They're going to send us whatever
8 they want to send us, but --
10 MR. LOPEZ: -- what will we not get?
11 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know yet. I won't know
12 until tomorrow because that will be part of this
13 meeting that we're going to do.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Okay, okay. Very well.
15 MS. ROBINSON: So I won't know until tomorrow on
16 that.
17 MR. LOPEZ: And the other one, I think I remember
18 it, and forgive me, but when we spoke it was late at
19 night, the Denise Ransom situation.
21 MR. LOPEZ: Did I remember correctly that she
22 talked to Martin Williams and Martin Williams told her
23 not to talk to legal? Is that --
24 MS. ROBINSON: Martin and Paul Plattner told her
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Not to talk to legal. Okay.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And I made a big deal of it later.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, okay.
4 MS. ROBINSON: It's like -- like don't be telling
5 people not to come to the legal office.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Have you lost your mind? Yeah,
8 that was kind of where I was coming from. But she did
9 tell you that she -- that she heard --
10 MS. ROBINSON: She did it anyway, though.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
12 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, she came anyway, despite
13 them trying to detour her away.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Correct. So she did hear, what's her
15 name, Sylvia, like she said she did, right?
16 MS. ROBINSON: Well, that's the story she told me
17 when she came.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yep.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Until she recanted.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Um-hmm.
22 MR. LOPEZ: She heard Sylvia, the whole thing,
23 calling, saying that OVI was predetermined, the whole
24 thing.
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1 MR. LOPEZ: She did. Okay. That's what I
2 thought. That's what I thought.
3 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah. No. She did, um-hmm.
4 MR. LOPEZ: So now how am I -- how am I going to
5 handle her asking me to help her get a job and still
6 holding fast to I don't want to perjure myself, I
7 don't want to perjure myself? Man, that's so hard.
8 MS. ROBINSON: When she said she doesn't want to
9 perjure herself, she means she doesn't want to say
10 what she already said initially? What is she saying?
11 MR. LOPEZ: Well, I think she doesn't want to
12 change her testimony from the testimony she gave the
13 IG when she recanted.
14 MS. ROBINSON: Ah.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Because that's what --
16 MS. ROBINSON: What testimony did she give the
17 IG? I just don't remember.
18 MR. LOPEZ: Well, that she --
19 MS. ROBINSON: I wasn't part of that.
20 MR. LOPEZ: She told me that it was very brief,
21 that she didn't hear anything and that, you know,
22 obviously I made up stuff. So she said the interview
23 was very, very brief, and I don't want to perjure
24 myself.
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1 would have to do, and I'm trying to even think if I
2 even know where to put my hands on it since I've had
3 so many different assistants in the last four, five
4 years. She gave some initial statement. I think what
5 she did -- does she have a -- excuse me, a dad or
6 somebody who's a lawyer or a judge or something in her
7 family?
8 MR. LOPEZ: I seem to recall something like that,
9 Jean, yes.
10 MS. ROBINSON: Because I think what she said to
11 me was she was calling in on -- I think what she said
12 to me was she was advised -- well, she told me all
13 this stuff, and then she was already playing both ends
14 against the middle with me, and let me tell you what I
15 mean by that.
16 She came in, told me who you were, told me what
17 was happening, said, you know, the program is going to
18 be shaken up tremendously, this guy is smart, he's on
19 the right track, you know, so forth and so on, and
20 then she -- then that's when she told me that Paul
21 Plattner and Martin. And I said, well, Denise -- I
22 kind of pushed her hard. I said: I got to be able to
23 deal with that. I can't have -- I can't be the
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1 something that would, you know, have such a serious
2 impact on the organization.
3 And so she said, well, you can -- I said, I need
4 to be able -- a little bit like where you are, I need
5 to be able to address that with them. And so I made a
6 big deal with Martin, because she said, okay, you can,
7 and they -- they said, well, that's not exactly what
8 we told her. What we told her is there was no need to
9 bother you with it --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- as general counsel. I mean,
12 you know, they kind of cleaned it up a little bit,
13 because I did, I mean, I made a big deal of it. And I
14 said, well, don't do that, that's ridiculous. That
15 was before you had gotten lawyers and everything kind
16 of went, you know, in the litigation mode.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And so then when I thought that --
19 you know, when I -- when I jumped on Dennis Fields,
20 Martin, and Paul about it, you know, about why would
21 you guys, you know, point an employee in a different
22 direction, if they want to come talk to general
23 counsel and talk about something that they think, you
24 know, is not quite correct, you know, that's not a
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1 it up a little bit, but then by that time I had -- I
2 don't think I took any notes. I think I just listened
3 to her because it was impromptu. Do you understand?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
5 MS. ROBINSON: She came to my office --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- without any warning or, you
8 know, I didn't -- I don't know her very well. So I
9 think I just listened very closely to her as opposed
10 to, you know, if I were to prepare for an interview
11 with her. And so because of that and because Dennis
12 and Paul and Martin were kind of changing their story
13 about what happened and how she -- you know, what that
14 all meant, I think I then said to her, I need a
15 statement from you, because I went out initially --
16 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
17 MS. ROBINSON: -- to Dave's office to
18 investigate. Remember when I was meeting with your
19 lawyer down in D.C., what's his name, Roberts?
20 MR. LOPEZ: Roberts, yes.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Right. I went out to go question
22 everybody and see what was what, and so before I went
23 out to that investigation I said to her: You know,
24 Denise, this is serious. I mean, there are lawyers
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1 to write down what you told me in my office that day.
2 So she then did a statement. I'm eating lunch at
3 the same time. I know she did a statement or an
4 affidavit or something, and she faxed it. Well, she
5 kept stalling; she kept stalling. I said, I really
6 need that because I don't want to go out to California
7 without it.
8 So when I finally got it, it was a little bit
9 different than what she had said, not a total
10 recanting, but it was -- and I think I said to her, I
11 said: Denise, what are you doing? You came in my
12 office, you took half an afternoon, unplanned, you
13 called my house a couple times, did all these things,
14 and then when you write this down. Well, by that time
15 Martin and Paul had circled back to her.
17 MS. ROBINSON: You know what I mean?
18 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Because I was making a big deal
20 about them telling her not to come to my office and
21 all that.
23 MS. ROBINSON: So they were trying to get -- they
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And then that's when she kind
2 of decided, I guess, to recant, and I guess you were
3 calling her because you were concerned that she was
4 going to be unprotected.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And she was like, I'm not -- I'm
7 not answering Ruben's calls anymore.
9 MS. ROBINSON: And I said: What do you mean?
10 You know, why won't you talk to the guy? Just talk to
11 him and tell him you're okay.
13 MS. ROBINSON: And tell him that, you know,
14 you've talked to the general counsel, and, you know,
15 I'm not going to let these guys railroad you because
16 you heard something.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And then that's when she kind of
19 flipped and said that, you know, her uncle or somebody
20 in her family, I don't remember, was a lawyer or
21 something and she needed to do this differently. And
22 so I got a statement, and the statement didn't quite
23 match up with what I recollected her telling me when
24 she was sitting in the office, up to and including
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2 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So at that point I didn't want her
4 to put that in the statement, obviously, but -- but I
5 did want her to just put down what she had said, and
6 she left me hanging out there because I was, you know,
7 yelling at Paul and Martin for what I thought was
8 inappropriate conduct in terms of, you know,
9 redirecting her.
11 MS. ROBINSON: And then she was kind of recanting
12 a little bit on that, but she couldn't do that totally
13 and ever look me in the face again. In other words --
15 MS. ROBINSON: -- you know, I was like, no, no,
16 you can't do that, and so she didn't back totally off
17 that, and like I said, they were forced to just clean
18 it up. So the bottomline was that I said, oh, this
19 woman is kind of strange, and, you know, I'm sort of
20 in the middle of some mess here, but -- because I'd
21 gone out on the limb to protect her based on what your
22 lawyer was telling me and based on what she had told
23 me when she came into my office and the fact that she
24 was, you know, calling me at -- you know, she asked me
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1 at home at night.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And now she's switching up on me.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so she's making me look
6 like I'm the person making this stuff up.
8 MS. ROBINSON: And at this point I don't know
9 anybody. I don't know you. I don't know -- you know
10 what I mean?
12 MS. ROBINSON: And I happen to think at that
13 point it, as chairs of the board went, was pretty darn
14 good. You know what I mean?
15 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
16 MS. ROBINSON: You've got to remember who I've
17 been dealing with.
19 MS. ROBINSON: So I'm like, oh, man. And then I
20 got Dave Dubinsky whispering in my ear about how
21 you're bilking the program as a -- as a --
22 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
23 MS. ROBINSON: You know, so I got all these
24 different kind of stories, and I did go out to
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2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- and uglier, and that's when
4 that crazy Craig, who they've since fired, went off on
5 me, and I didn't quite know where Kathy Wright and
6 some of these other people were coming from.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, my goodness.
8 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but I went out and did my
9 little preliminary, you know, investigation, and then
10 of course later it turned into litigation, and then
11 whoever we had handling it, you know, I guess it was
12 Carlos or whomever --
14 MS. ROBINSON: -- went behind me. So the
15 bottomline was that, yeah, she definitely told one
16 story at one point and then recanted.
17 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And now she's in a pickle, because
19 how does she -- why did she recant? Did they promise
20 her something?
21 MR. LOPEZ: That's what we're going to --
22 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, she could just say -- she
23 could just say, look, my bosses leaned on me a little
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1 MS. ROBINSON: -- and I wanted to keep my job,
2 I need a job, and so I -- you know, I switched up.
3 MR. LOPEZ: Right. Right, right. Well, we'll
4 see where this ends up, but when we -- when we sue
5 SourceAmerica in the near future, are you going to be
6 defending them?
7 MS. ROBINSON: I don't know. I don't even know
8 if I'm going to have a j-o-b, as they say. So I'll
9 find that out sometime this week, maybe next week at
10 the latest. It depends.
12 MS. ROBINSON: But the bottomline is I don't
13 know -- I think if she's put under -- well, I don't
14 know. When she was questioned by the OIG, do they put
15 her under oath and all that?
16 MR. LOPEZ: I'm not sure about that. I don't
17 know.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Probably not, probably not.
19 MR. LOPEZ: Probably not, yeah. I don't think
20 so.
21 MS. ROBINSON: It was long enough ago, I'd have
22 to look to see what she actually -- well, you got a
23 copy of whatever statement she wrote in the end,
24 right?
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Didn't you guys get that? Okay.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So that's what she committed to
4 writing, but it ain't what she told me as she sat
5 there. Now, I never went back at her, meaning --
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- that I never sat with her
8 one-on-one, looked her in the eye and said, Denise,
9 cut the bull.
11 MS. ROBINSON: This is what I -- you know, I
12 never pressed her on it.
14 MS. ROBINSON: I didn't press her on it because
15 it seemed like it was, you know, going to be okay in
16 the end anyway, but it didn't matter what she had
17 heard because there was so much other crap --
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- attached to that thing.
20 MR. LOPEZ: True, true.
21 MS. ROBINSON: But she was actually interviewed
22 by the OIG?
23 MR. LOPEZ: That's what she claims and -- yes.
24 The answer is yes, but it was a very short interview
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2 MR. LOPEZ: So how can you interview someone who
3 doesn't know anything?
4 MS. ROBINSON: Did they interview -- they
5 interviewed Dennis Hynes too, right?
6 MR. LOPEZ: I am not sure about that. Yeah.
7 Yes.
9 MR. LOPEZ: I think so. I think so. But he lied
10 too. Of course he lied.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Right.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Because you said -- you said he told
13 you, he confessed to you that he told Denise to change
14 her story, right?
15 MS. ROBINSON: Well, no. What he told Denise was
16 what -- what stays -- what happens in the locker room
17 stays in the locker room or something like that. I
18 mean, that was the analogy he used with her.
20 MS. ROBINSON: And I had to press him on that and
21 say, did you say that, because, you know, there are
22 concerns from the other side that this employee needs
23 protection --
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1 whether or not, you know, she needs that protection.
2 So that was kind of the thing on that, was that, you
3 know, I said: Well, this is what she claims you said.
4 Did you say that? You know, like I said, it's
5 probably the same way if I looked her straight in the
6 face and questioned her, I'd get, you know, a
7 different story, but -- so I think, yeah, he admitted
8 saying that.
9 MR. LOPEZ: He admitted it. Okay.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And I said, well, you see how --
11 well, I don't think he lied to the OIG because I don't
12 think the OIG ever asked him anything like that.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah.
14 MS. ROBINSON: You know what I mean?
16 MS. ROBINSON: So I don't get the impression that
17 he lied to them, because, remember, I was not involved
18 in those interviews. That was Carlos and Valerie, and
19 they were out there, which is why this time -- well,
20 it depends upon what happens on Thursday. I'd like to
21 be in those interviews because then I could keep
22 folk -- I have -- let's put it this way. I have the
23 longest institutional memory.
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1 likely to tell a bunch of darn lies --
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- when I'm in there. You know
4 what I mean?
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right, right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: They know I'm not going to let
7 them get away with it, and, you know, it would just
8 make it more difficult for them to -- to tell -- like,
9 for example, I really, really, really wanted to be
10 there for David Dubinsky's interview.
11 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Because I happened to know in the
13 beginning he said, don't worry about this
14 investigation, it's not of us, it's of GSA.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, he went on and on
17 and on and on, and so later when he was about to
18 interview with Scott and those guys and I said to
19 him -- no. I said to Carlos, did you press him on
20 that, why was he -- so when the Underhill stuff and
21 all the other stuff started going down, my theory was
22 that it was kind of like a conspiracy, that GSA were
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and so I was like, well,
2 how would he know that the investigation wasn't of us
3 and that -- you know, if he didn't know what the heck
4 GSA was doing?
6 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, he was -- he was adamant
7 about it, I mean, and then he tried to use it in a way
8 to sort of embarrass me, like that I had it all wrong,
9 that there was absolutely no investigation of
10 SourceAmerica, also telling Bob and them what they
11 wanted to hear anyway.
12 So the bottomline on that was, later when he was
13 being interviewed and was a little bit on the hot
14 seat, I said, hey, Dave, you shouldn't have anything
15 to fear tomorrow. This was like the day before when
16 they were prepping him. I said, because I remember
17 when you -- you said they're not investigating us
18 anyway, this is all about GSA, and you're a hundred
19 percent sure of that, so --
20 MR. LOPEZ: So you have nothing to worry about.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And he went -- he just went, they
22 said -- I was not there, because they were in the room
23 with him, Carlos and Valerie. They said he just -- it
24 was like he freaked out, because he thought nobody
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1 they certainly weren't bringing it up.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: And so he freaked out like big
4 time, and I said, oh, I bet that did get a little bit
5 of a reaction from him, didn't it? But, you know, it
6 is what it is, and at some point it will all come out.
7 My question to you is, Scott is looking at the Bona
8 Fide/Lloyd George, I call it debacle --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Debacle.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- for lack of a better word, and
11 he was going to go back and look at LMI and the redo
12 and all that stuff, because, see, I think that's where
13 they left off with that.
14 MR. LOPEZ: I think so. I think so.
15 MS. ROBINSON: And so he probably still should
16 continue to do that.
18 MS. ROBINSON: We still have access to Paul
19 Plattner. He's the consultant.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
21 MS. ROBINSON: Of course.
23 MS. ROBINSON: But he's local.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
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1 wasn't -- wasn't kosher, so --
3 MS. ROBINSON: You know, it's just a matter of --
4 if he wants to utilize that to prove a point of just
5 how sordid -- if you recall, I said to you, Ruben,
6 it's up to you if you settle, but you will never get
7 another set of sordid facts, even if it's
8 all optical --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- and looks as bad as that whole
11 allocation, again. I mean, because if you did get
12 another set, then all the lawyers who are defending
13 SourceAmerica, including me, should be fired, because
14 why would we not protect the record a little bit
15 better.
17 MS. ROBINSON: I don't mean cover up anything,
18 but at least stop people from doing such foolish kind
19 of things.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And that's why I was very
22 surprised when your lawyer struck a deal. If you
23 notice, I stayed totally out of your settlement.
24 MR. LOPEZ: Correct. I do.
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1 understand, because you just figured it was going
2 to all turn itself around and everybody was going to
3 do the right thing, in the words of Spike Lee, but
4 that didn't quite happen. But in any event. So, I
5 mean, yeah, I mean, that's still all there, and you
6 guys had somewhat of a victory, but if he's looking
7 for something to prove the point of the connections
8 and -- and your lawyer, by the way, the guy you had,
9 was his name Jim Roberts?
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
11 MS. ROBINSON: He's a good lawyer.
12 MR. LOPEZ: He's a good lawyer.
13 MS. ROBINSON: He's a damn good lawyer. He got
14 it, he understood it, but he also understood one
15 thing, because he and I had lunch at one point and of
16 course we were on opposite sides of each other, but he
17 also understood that a lot of what he knew intuitively
18 he couldn't prove, and that's where that was kind of
19 ugly, and it's awfully difficult to say that they
20 shouldn't have picked OVI when you just look at it on
21 a subjective basis.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, so that was -- so
24 he was approaching it very legalistically, but that
25 was his frustration was that you just couldn't prove a

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1 lot of this stuff. Like you kind of knew X person was
2 lying or Y person was lying, but how do you -- like
3 take the Denise situation.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: If she recants, what are you going
6 to do?
8 MS. ROBINSON: And she won't recant again. Now,
9 in terms of helping get her a job, I don't know. I
10 guess the question I have for you is if she's not
11 there, I can understand her not wanting to recant
12 while she's living with these fools every day because
13 that's kind of tough on her.
14 MR. LOPEZ: Right, right, right. Well --
15 MS. ROBINSON: But if you help her get a job --
17 MS. ROBINSON: -- and you don't know if she's
18 solid --
20 MS. ROBINSON: -- the way that's going to come
21 out is she's going to say, Ruben knew I was in trouble
22 employmentwise, and he tried to make me change my
23 story --
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1 to get a job.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So I -- I think I'd stay away from
4 that.
5 MR. LOPEZ: That's what I'm going to do.
6 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, I wouldn't -- I wouldn't
7 do anything to keep her from getting it.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, no, no, no. Of course not, of
9 course not.
10 MS. ROBINSON: But I don't know that I would go
11 out on the limb or go on the record anywhere --
13 MS. ROBINSON: -- that if anyone from CHM,
14 whatever their name is, was ever --
16 MS. ROBINSON: I always screw it up. CHM2 Hill.
18 MS. ROBINSON: That if they ever had to
19 testify --
21 MS. ROBINSON: -- that they wouldn't say, oh,
22 yeah, Ruben called, yes, he did, and he encouraged us,
23 he may have gave her a reference, he encouraged us to
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1 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, then you got -- I mean, you
2 got issues then, so --
3 MR. LOPEZ: Correct, correct, correct.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I think not. I think -- now, is
5 she thinking about recanting?
6 MR. LOPEZ: I don't think so.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Is she even thinking about it?
8 MR. LOPEZ: I don't think so. I don't know, to
9 be honest with you. All I know is that she's very
10 wishy-washy.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I'm still not convinced.
12 I slept on that some more after Friday. I'm not
13 convinced she's not working for the other team, my
14 friend.
15 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I agree.
16 MS. ROBINSON: What I have not had the time to
17 do, and I won't have time tomorrow because I'll be
18 stuck in these meetings from the time I get in there
19 to the time I leave, but I have not -- I could tell --
20 I could figure that out by having one more
21 conversation with Mr. Dubinsky.
23 MS. ROBINSON: And I owe another conversation to
24 him because I have not circled back to Bob or anybody
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1 Isleen's lawyer to go pound --
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- pound sand. So I could kind of
4 decipher, find out, but I think she is working with
5 Dave and Bob and Martin and the rest of them to try to
6 find -- because one of the things that has bothered
7 them tremendously and they have asked counsel after
8 counsel is, when the Steve Underhill stuff came up --
9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
10 MS. ROBINSON: -- one of the questions they said
11 is, well, how come Ruben didn't get in trouble? He
12 did -- you know, and Dave Dubinsky, every time he gets
13 a chance to talk about this, he says: Well, I don't
14 understand how come Ruben could make loans and do all
15 these things that are against the law and not get in
16 trouble. You know, Underhill is getting indicted and
17 going to jail, but if you follow that string, it was
18 Ruben who made the loans. And he goes through this
19 whole thing.
20 And they even asked Carlos that in a meeting
21 once, like at a board meeting. They were like, well,
22 we don't understand how it is that Ruben got to take a
23 pass and we -- you know, and Underhill and those guys
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And so -- and Carlos didn't have a
2 great answer, if I recall correctly. So, I mean,
3 they're looking at all points, of course --
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: -- to leverage or dirty you up in
6 any way, of course.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
8 MS. ROBINSON: So you have to make sure you're
9 perfect and above --
10 MR. LOPEZ: Yes, yes.
11 MS. ROBINSON: -- reproach.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Because they're looking for any
14 leverage they can get.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And that's how they -- that's how
17 they operate, obviously. So, yeah, with her I just
18 can't tell, but it -- I'm telling you, David went out
19 of his way to work her into the Isleen situation.
21 MS. ROBINSON: And that lawyer proved -- just did
22 an ad hominem attack on me --
24 MS. ROBINSON: -- that made no sense. I mean,
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1 you felt that way, you're not going to write a letter
2 to the CEO attacking the person that you're trying to
3 get a settlement out of with.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
5 MS. ROBINSON: Come on, that doesn't make sense.
6 MR. LOPEZ: No. That's stupid.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Well, but it's not stupid if
8 you're -- if all of it is kind of a ruse. Do you
9 understand what I'm saying? If it all fits together,
10 it's not stupid at all.
12 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I mean, the only thing
13 that's probably true in all of that whole thing is
14 that Isleen is truly having a lover's quarrel with
15 David.
17 MS. ROBINSON: You know, that they may have -- he
18 may not be as closely behind her as he was, but I'm
19 telling you, that would be a -- that would -- and that
20 might not even be true, but that would be a huge
21 360-degree change for her and David to be on opposite
22 sides. I mean, that would be -- I can't even -- I
23 mean, that would just be impossible almost. So the
24 only way -- only explanation for that would be if, you
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1 etcetera, but I find that all hard -- too hard to
2 believe. And David kind of, you know, said to me, I
3 think Isleen knows she doesn't have a good case, but I
4 think she thought she'd try. So I don't really -- but
5 I know that Denise and Isleen are definitely doing
6 things together and in tandem.
7 MR. LOPEZ: She denies talking to Isleen. She
8 says, no, I don't know about Isleen, haven't talked --
9 have not spoken to her, I don't keep in touch with
10 her.
11 MS. ROBINSON: Right, right. Well, I mean, like
12 I said, you only need the -- my mother always taught
13 me that people only need to show you themselves once.
15 MS. ROBINSON: That if they're allowed to show
16 you themselves twice in a bad way, then you're the
17 fool.
19 MS. ROBINSON: And so once she did that, all that
20 stuff about coming to my office and I got squarely
21 behind her and then she changed all that crap up --
23 MS. ROBINSON: -- I really from that point on
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1 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, you know, other than
2 "hi, how are you." And the only other time that I can
3 recall that I had sort of a one-on-one brief, very
4 fake conversation with her was in May at the -- when
5 we met with you guys at the conference.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Remember me and you and -- that
8 was the only other time, because I think we had a
9 meeting prior to that meeting.
11 MS. ROBINSON: And even in that meeting, you
12 know, you were the anti-Christ. I mean, you were the
13 conniving little guy who, you know, she believed in at
14 first, but then she realized that she was just being
15 used and, you know, that she now knows that she
16 couldn't trust you, and not only are you making stuff
17 up but, you know, you were enemy number one. And of
18 course I looked at her because she's saying all this
19 in a meeting, and I'm looking at her thinking, the
20 same guy you told me was a hero, now he's the worst
21 guy in the world. I thought maybe it was a game.
23 MS. ROBINSON: You know, I mean, I could
24 understand that, she's trying to protect herself. I
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Right. No, but she --
2 MS. ROBINSON: Until I got with her one-on-one
3 and she said to me, well, I need your counsel about
4 Ruben because he's -- he's calling and I refuse to
5 take his phone calls, I'm not calling him back. And I
6 said: Why not? Call him back and tell him you're
7 okay or whatever. And that's when she, you know, said
8 all these bad things, and then I realized that she was
9 consistent at that point in bad-mouthing you and what
10 you were about --
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- with everybody. I mean, it
13 wasn't -- I thought in that room with all those people
14 it was just an act.
15 MR. LOPEZ: I see, I see.
16 MS. ROBINSON: But when I -- she and I were
17 walking in the hallway, you know, leaving either to go
18 to the next room or wherever and she went off like
19 that, and so then -- and I was already distrustful of
20 her. So at that point I just held my ground and said,
21 well, you know, do what you got to do.
23 MS. ROBINSON: You know, do what you got to do,
24 and that was kind of that.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And I don't think I've talked
2 to her since.
3 MR. LOPEZ: She's a strange one.
4 MS. ROBINSON: I can't think of -- no. I think I
5 talked to her one other time when the woman died or
6 committed suicide.
7 MR. LOPEZ: Oh, yes.
8 MS. ROBINSON: Remember the woman? She was
9 very -- she'd never really been right since that.
10 There was an employee there that she was close to --
11 MR. LOPEZ: Yes.
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- and went to the hotel and took
13 her life and all that, and she was very close to that
14 employee.
15 MR. LOPEZ: I see. I see.
16 MS. ROBINSON: And so I think I may have talked
17 to her when that occurred, you know, just kind of
18 giving my condolences, and I asked a question, but
19 that was -- that was -- that was it. So, you know, I
20 haven't seen her since. I mean, I've seen her at
21 events, but --
23 MS. ROBINSON: -- we've never had any one-on-one
24 conversation. So I was pretty surprised when you said
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1 for a job, because that wasn't making any sense --
2 MR. LOPEZ: At all.
3 MS. ROBINSON: -- based on the way she's
4 bad-mouthed you to lawyers and anybody who will
5 listen.
6 MR. LOPEZ: Right. I mean, it was -- it was very
7 strange. I mean, I got there to the conference in
8 Berkeley. I got out of my car. Coincidentally, she
9 parks right next to me. She walks with me to the
10 registration, and then she waits for me, because I've
11 been very distant from -- not distant, but just, you
12 know, I know what happened, so I'm very civilized but
13 not -- not close to her. And then she waits and she
14 waits and she waits, and she says, Ruben, I'm looking
15 for a job. I said, okay. Do you have an opening?
16 And I thought, excuse me. I thought -- I mean, that
17 threw me for a loop. And then she explained to me all
18 of what's going on and, you know.
19 MS. ROBINSON: Now, did she do this in a public
20 place where other people from your region could see
21 her talking to you?
22 MR. LOPEZ: She could -- yeah, it was in front of
23 the registration desk, registration desk.
24 MS. ROBINSON: Oh, well, then, yes, then that
25 even confirms for me. That would not be the way she'd
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1 have done that.
2 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
3 MS. ROBINSON: If you're -- the way -- the way
4 the NISH game works is people can't even be seen
5 talking to you or David --
6 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
7 MS. ROBINSON: -- Gonzales.
8 MR. LOPEZ: I see. And then she invited me to
9 dinner afterwards, and she invited two of the
10 region -- you know, David's subordinates to have
11 dinner with us.
12 MS. ROBINSON: Now, one of two things could have
13 been happening there. One, she could have been trying
14 to use you to show David Dubinsky that if they don't
15 do what she wants -- let's just say she's not working
16 with them.
18 MS. ROBINSON: Here's another thing that would be
19 a Denise kind of, catty kind of woman type thing to
20 do, is she might have been publicly doing that because
21 she knew that people would run -- I can tell you right
22 now, if she invited you to dinner with other
23 SourceAmerica people, she knows one or two things. If
24 she's not -- she wasn't told to do that by David
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1 she knows that that would go back to them in about
2 three seconds flat, I mean I don't think it would take
3 that long, and that that would make -- so she might
4 have been trying to leverage that to make Dave play
5 ball with her on the telecommuting and the whole
6 arrangement she wanted. If you don't -- if you don't
7 play ball with me, I'll defect to the other side.
9 MS. ROBINSON: Or -- okay, that's giving her a
10 little bit of diabolical credit. Or it was all set
11 up to begin with, and I got a feeling it was all set
12 up to begin with.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
14 MS. ROBINSON: And the reason I say that is
15 because of the Isleen stuff.
17 MS. ROBINSON: If that had not occurred and if
18 the letter -- I mean, even Pam, my new person, said,
19 when is -- is her lawyer schizophrenic? I mean,
20 because, see, what her lawyer didn't realize is that
21 Pam was on the phone with me every time I talked to
22 her, and so we're having these cordial conversations,
23 you know, meaningless, I mean, whether it's the
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1 MS. ROBINSON: And all of a sudden she writes
2 that letter to Bob. I mean, I just -- I've never
3 heard another lawyer doing that. Even if you thought
4 the worst of the lawyer, you don't do that.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: And so that was real clear to me.
7 And then when I jumped right back at Bob, he never
8 said another word about it. See, I mean, if -- if it
9 was truly a legitimate issue, believe me, he'd be
10 needling me about it every second. Now, I sure expect
11 to hear about it on the 9th --
13 MS. ROBINSON: -- when he's doing that. You
14 know, I expect him to pull out a copy and say, yeah,
15 this is what I mean, you know. I expect that, but,
16 you know, I'd jump so quick back onto him about it,
17 like why would you even believe the other side and
18 begin to admonish me without even asking me whether it
19 occurred.
20 MR. LOPEZ: Of course. What is your game plan
21 for the 9th, Jean? What is -- what are you --
22 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I'm going to write a very
23 nice self-review for the record and kind of a retort
24 of what I know what I've been set up on. You know
25 what I mean?
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Sure, sure. I do.
2 MS. ROBINSON: And that will be -- that will be
3 my side of the story in the record, okay?
4 MR. LOPEZ: Okay.
5 MS. ROBINSON: If I can predict them the way I
6 generally can, my thing is he'll call me in on the
7 9th, he'll have a laundry list, like Rhett wrote me a
8 little missive this morning. He'll have all these
9 emails, he'll have all this stuff, and then based what
10 he tried to do to me on vacation, which I didn't tell
11 you about, him and Elizabeth, they will write all
12 that, he'll give me all that, and he'll say, and I
13 just got to put you on probation, you know, you're a
14 regular employee now, but I got to put you on
15 probation for, you know, 30 days, 60 days, something
16 like that, 45 days, or -- I mean, that would be his
17 most conservative spot, but if he thinks he has
18 everything in the bag and he thinks he's got enough
19 documentation where he's set me up and I haven't
20 corrected the record, which is my fault, but if he
21 thinks that, then he could very well say, this just
22 isn't working, you've got to go.
23 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
24 MS. ROBINSON: But -- but either way, either way
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1 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
2 MS. ROBINSON: You understand? This is sort of a
3 building activity.
5 MS. ROBINSON: Just like we think that -- and my
6 guess is because he's being advised by my old firm,
7 which is a labor firm --
8 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
9 MS. ROBINSON: -- that he will want to take it
10 slow.
12 MS. ROBINSON: You know.
13 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.
14 MS. ROBINSON: So he'll want to take it slow,
15 because he's clear and I'm clear that the minute he
16 says good-bye, I, you know, will be somewhere filing a
17 suit --
19 MS. ROBINSON: -- to protect my self and rights.
20 So -- so he's clear on that, so whether he'll want to
21 take that on now in addition to everything else that's
22 going on, because I just also found out they're having
23 a DOL audit.
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1 something with the pension plan.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
3 MS. ROBINSON: So they're kind of getting it from
4 all directions.
5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.
6 MS. ROBINSON: One other thing that I forgot to
7 tell you on this complaint that came in about Bob --
8 in fact, I'm going to read that one to you, because it
9 had a very strange thing at the end which I can't even
10 figure it out myself. I mean, I got to do a little
11 research on it. Let me -- I got to -- I got to walk
12 downstairs to my computer. Wait for me.
13 MR. LOPEZ: No problem.
14 MS. ROBINSON: But I think I still have it pulled
15 up, because I was talking to Bill Coleman about it and
16 I said, well, nobody knows -- everybody knows you
17 can't -- Bob is the cheapest man in the world, you
18 can't get him on having a lavish spending account.
20 MS. ROBINSON: That's not -- that's not the way
21 he rolls, at least not that I know of.
22 Okay. So this is what the thing says. Let me
23 see when it came in. It came in on the 19th of
24 December, and it says: Please identify the person who
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1 executive officer.
2 Is management aware of the problem? No.
3 What is the general nature of this matter?
4 Misuse of funds.
5 Where did this incident or violation occur?
6 Australia.
7 Please provide the physical or approximate time
8 this incident occurred. 2013.
9 How long do you think this problem has been going
10 on? More than a year.
11 How did you become aware of this violation?
12 Other -- if other, how. Notified by regular news feed
13 from the organization. I don't know what that means,
14 but --
15 In 2013 Bob traveled to Australia and to at least
16 one more other countries outside of the United States.
17 Caller was uncertain of the purpose or duration of
18 Bob's journey or if he was traveling for business or
19 personal reasons. Bob used company funds to travel.
20 This was a misuse of funds because the fee money paid
21 by CRPs from the AbilityOne program should only be
22 used to create jobs for blind or otherwise disabled
23 persons within the United States.
24 Caller says that all of the members of the board
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1 culpable because they permitted Bob to use the funds
2 in this manner. The caller was uncertain of the names
3 of the board and Commission members or the reasons for
4 their behavior.
5 Caller said a public report from the Government
6 Accountability Office criticized the Commission for
7 failing to provide sufficient oversight to the board
8 in the operation of the program. Additionally, since
9 2011 the CRP junior rehabilitation programs have used
10 non-American parts and components in the manufacture
11 of products for the United States government.
12 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Caller said this is a violation of
14 the Berry Amendment. Caller said the CRPs should only
15 use domestically sourced materials because the program
16 is a domestic taxpayer funded program.
17 Now, I turned this over immediately to the audit
18 committee because it involves Bob. Now, they have had
19 a string of stupid emails going back and forth, but
20 this part about using non -- what does it say --
21 non-American parts and components in the manufacture
22 of products for the United States government, I don't
23 know, I got to go -- I got to go check. So I got to
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1 MS. ROBINSON: -- and see what he has to say
2 about this. They haven't turned it over to him yet.
3 But the emails coming back to me are beautiful. Mike
4 Kivitz, all Bob's buddies, Rick Beaman and all of them
5 say: Dispose of this quickly. Whoever this is, they
6 don't know what they're talking about. We're not
7 going to have a, you know, big investigation. And
8 then the chair of the audit committee comes back and
9 says, we won't be investigating Bob's expenses. And
10 I'm like, oh, yes, we will. So I called Bill --
12 MS. ROBINSON: -- a little earlier today, and I
13 said, you're not going to tell me how to do this
14 investigation. I'm not even sure if I should be doing
15 it, but I am the compliance officer, but -- and the
16 reason I have a little bit of reticence is because I
17 report to him, and I don't want anybody saying it was
18 a whitewash on my part.
20 MS. ROBINSON: Although I know I wouldn't
21 whitewash it, but I just don't even want the
22 appearance. So I said I would do some preliminary
23 stuff and at least turn it over to the Commission,
24 which they haven't done, and then Bob's been quiet as
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Now, this call -- someone called
2 whom in your organization?
3 MS. ROBINSON: EthicsPoint.
4 MR. LOPEZ: The EthicsPoint.
5 MS. ROBINSON: We have a hotline. We have an
6 anonymous hotline.
7 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
8 MS. ROBINSON: You don't have to be anonymous.
9 You can call up and give your name if you want.
11 MS. ROBINSON: But a hotline, and this came into
12 EthicsPoint.
13 MR. LOPEZ: I see. And from that hotline --
14 MS. ROBINSON: Right before I left for vacation.
16 MS. ROBINSON: Right before everybody left.
17 MR. LOPEZ: And who mans that hotline? Who mans
18 it?
19 MS. ROBINSON: Me. I'm the compliance -- well, I
20 don't man it. It's an outside third party.
22 MS. ROBINSON: So anybody who calls in there,
23 it's truly anonymous.
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2 MS. ROBINSON: So people can call or you can
3 email or you can -- so any complaints you have about
4 anything dealing with the program or anything else
5 come in through that.
6 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
7 MS. ROBINSON: Scott has asked for a copy of all
8 the EthicsPoint complaints over the years.
9 MR. LOPEZ: I see.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And I told Scott, good, yep, you
11 should get that, and -- and we're going to give it to
12 him. Well, he's going to get this one too, I mean,
13 although it just came in and he asked before, but
14 still he's going to get this one too. And, you know,
15 I guess the question here -- and this obviously came
16 from a CRP exec.
18 MS. ROBINSON: And the CRP exec says that
19 SourceAmerica is misusing funds on international
20 things because we're not an international program.
21 Now, that -- that is a -- I would tend to agree with
22 them, because there's no correlation -- the question
23 is how much money is -- and time is being spent
24 dealing with this international disability group, and
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1 into and see. Now, you and I think maybe Bob went
2 out of the country for some other purpose, but --
4 MS. ROBINSON: But in any event. You know, this
5 just came in. And so Scott has asked for all of these
6 EthicsPoints, so he'll get this too, although they're
7 mad that I gave this to Carlos.
8 MR. LOPEZ: Oh.
9 MS. ROBINSON: They're pissed off that -- oh,
10 yeah, they're pissed. Why would you give that to
11 Carlos?
12 MR. LOPEZ: You're doing your job.
13 MS. ROBINSON: Well, that's what I said. I said,
14 because Carlos -- Mumper or Lisa are going to ask
15 Carlos about the EthicsPoint reports. He's already
16 asked for them anyway. He asked for them way back
17 when he came to visit, and since this came in through
18 that, what are we going to do, not give him this one?
20 MS. ROBINSON: We're going to give them all to
21 him. And so -- so they said, well, we didn't have to
22 involve, you know, outside lawyers. I'm like, yeah,
23 we did. So maybe after tomorrow when they get a
24 better idea of what Scott is looking for they'll have
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1 MR. LOPEZ: Yeah, yeah. Let's talk --
2 MS. ROBINSON: And maybe not. You know, who
3 knows with these guys.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Let's talk tomorrow, Jean. I would
5 love to talk afterwards.
6 MS. ROBINSON: Yeah, we'll talk tomorrow night.
7 I've got to go write my -- I've got to write my
8 self-review for the record.
10 MS. ROBINSON: And, you know, so I can at least
11 have somewhere in writing my response to the
12 craziness, and then we'll talk after we see if -- if
13 they get it tomorrow, and it really is going to depend
14 on Carlos, because I don't plan on saying much
15 tomorrow.
16 MR. LOPEZ: Agreed, agreed. That's a very good
17 idea.
18 MS. ROBINSON: I mean, so it's going to depend on
19 whether Carlos says to them, you know, this guy is
20 really serious and you guys ought to take it that way.
21 I mean, I don't know what he's going to say, so we'll
22 just have to wait and see.
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1 MS. ROBINSON: All right. Talk to you later.
2 MR. LOPEZ: Talk to you soon.
4 MR. LOPEZ: Bye-bye.
5 MS. ROBINSON: All right. Bye-bye.
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1 CERTIFICATE OF REPORTER
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STATE OF MINNESOTA
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COUNTY OF SCOTT
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5 Be it known that I transcribed the foregoing
6 three audio recordings from audio links emailed to me
7 by Daniel Cragg, Attorney;
8 That the identification of the speakers was
9 supplied to me by Daniel Cragg, Attorney;
10 That the foregoing transcript is a true and
11 correct transcript done to the best of my ability;
12 That I am not related to nor an employee of any
13 of the parties hereto, nor a relative or employee of
14 any party or counsel employed by the parties hereto,
15 nor interested in the outcome of any action related
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benefits [1] - 15:2 28:21, 29:1, 45:10, bungle [1] - 47:2
70:25 55:15, 55:18, 57:10,
Berkeley [1] - 164:8 48:15, 53:3, 53:8, bungling [1] - 27:24
bar [1] - 72:23 58:3, 58:6, 58:10,
Berns [1] - 8:16 55:15, 55:18, 55:21, bury [1] - 50:5
Barbara [2] - 70:13, 58:11, 58:15, 59:24,
Berry [1] - 172:14 55:25, 57:9, 58:2, busily [1] - 4:1
71:4 66:20, 67:19
best [6] - 19:9, 21:3, 58:3, 58:5, 58:6, 58:8, business [6] - 34:10,
bargaining [1] - books [2] - 14:1,
24:2, 25:1, 55:14, 58:10, 58:11, 58:15, 40:23, 43:4, 44:12,
76:17 14:2
179:11 58:25, 59:24, 60:17, 64:15, 171:18
3
busy [6] - 14:6, Carol [2] - 7:25, 11:6 Charles [1] - 70:22 CM2 [2] - 99:2, 99:6 103:3
43:12, 43:14, 115:14, carryover [1] - 10:12 chase [1] - 116:1 CMH2 [2] - 99:6, companies [1] - 33:4
115:15, 133:6 case [11] - 26:10, cheap [1] - 128:5 99:17 company [3] - 40:13,
bye [9] - 74:24, 26:18, 27:2, 27:6, cheapest [1] - Coast [1] - 115:19 46:16, 171:19
125:14, 169:16, 27:7, 52:4, 66:15, 170:17 coincidental [1] - competence [1] -
178:4, 178:5 86:1, 115:17, 131:9, check [4] - 46:8, 100:25 45:8
Bye [1] - 74:25 160:3 64:13, 129:7, 172:23 Coincidentally [1] - competing [1] - 17:7
bye-bye [4] - 74:24, cases [1] - 105:8 chest [1] - 25:13 164:8 competition [9] -
125:14, 178:4, 178:5 casino [1] - 18:25 Chicago [2] - 129:12, coincidently [1] - 15:20, 16:4, 16:18,
cast [2] - 131:23, 129:24 97:15 16:22, 18:9, 66:13,
C 132:6 chief [1] - 170:25 cold [1] - 92:2 79:11, 83:23, 107:3
catch [3] - 20:24, CHM [1] - 155:13 Coleman [6] - 2:8, competitions [5] -
California [4] - 30:3, 60:3 CHM2 [1] - 155:16 46:5, 126:4, 126:9, 15:6, 16:15, 17:4,
26:11, 109:9, 109:23, category [1] - 13:20 choice [2] - 29:17, 128:1, 170:15 18:7
140:6 catty [2] - 19:12, 116:10 collect [2] - 13:9, competitors [1] -
caller [6] - 171:17, 165:19 Chris [7] - 75:12, 45:8 86:5
171:24, 172:2, 172:5, CBA [3] - 81:5, 82:7, 83:8, 85:3, collective [1] - 76:16 complaint [3] -
172:13, 172:14 85:16, 85:17 86:25, 122:22, 122:23 color [2] - 24:24, 97:23, 126:22, 170:7
campaign [2] - 91:8, cell [2] - 69:10, 124:1 Christ [1] - 161:12 73:5 complaints [2] -
130:17 CEO [4] - 31:6, Christmas [1] - Colorado [2] - 40:6, 175:3, 175:8
campaigned [1] - 107:25, 109:2, 159:2 53:22 106:10 compliance [2] -
130:25 CEOs [3] - 81:20, circled [3] - 102:22, Columbo [1] - 72:5 173:15, 174:19
campaigning [1] - 81:21, 85:14 140:15, 156:24 combat [1] - 50:10 components [2] -
131:10 cereal [1] - 75:7 circumspect [1] - coming [9] - 10:11, 172:10, 172:21
campaigns [1] - certainly [2] - 70:13, 130:19 60:3, 126:13, 126:14, compromise [1] -
132:11 151:1 circumstances [3] - 128:10, 135:8, 144:6, 29:8
camping [1] - 49:2 CERTIFICATE [1] - 20:19, 23:6, 89:3 160:20, 173:3 compromised [1] -
cancel [3] - 87:7, 179:1 citizen [1] - 111:7 comment [1] - 119:8
89:6 CFO [1] - 38:3 citizens [1] - 5:25 128:21 computer [2] - 4:13,
candidate [1] - 130:2 CH2M [2] - 8:20, civilized [1] - 164:12 commercial [3] - 170:12
capability [1] - 17:20 92:10 claims [3] - 7:23, 36:23, 37:1, 64:1 computers [1] - 7:17
caps [1] - 13:21 chair [8] - 3:11, 4:20, 146:23, 148:3 Commission [26] - conceivably [1] -
car [1] - 164:8 63:3, 65:4, 65:18, clandestine [1] - 10:23, 33:22, 36:3, 16:6
card [2] - 24:15, 66:2, 66:14, 173:8 17:19 36:20, 37:25, 38:18, concerned [3] -
24:16 chairs [1] - 143:13 clause [1] - 50:9 38:24, 39:2, 41:1, 58:20, 90:14, 141:3
cards [1] - 93:4 Chamberlin [11] - clean [4] - 94:9, 41:3, 60:25, 61:3, concerns [2] - 106:9,
care [8] - 9:7, 10:16, 29:1, 67:5, 72:19, 101:3, 112:11, 142:17 61:4, 73:11, 110:7, 147:22
11:9, 11:11, 31:7, 72:24, 85:2, 97:13, cleaned [2] - 138:12, 110:12, 110:23, concocting [1] -
84:9, 99:1, 133:12 104:3, 108:20, 138:25 111:7, 113:9, 127:11, 43:15
career [2] - 28:16, 124:21, 165:25, cleaning [1] - 106:20 127:12, 127:13, condolences [1] -
29:6 170:25 clear [7] - 5:22, 171:25, 172:3, 172:6, 163:18
careful [2] - 94:12, Chamberlin's [1] - 104:24, 105:23, 173:23 conduct [1] - 142:8
116:10 126:23 167:6, 169:15, 169:20 committed [2] - confabulations [1] -
Carlos [40] - 57:18, chance [5] - 21:2, cleared [2] - 124:8, 146:3, 163:6 13:13
58:22, 60:2, 60:7, 105:20, 111:8, 124:10 committee [12] - conference [2] -
60:8, 63:5, 63:7, 121:23, 157:13 clearly [13] - 7:1, 7:2, 3:19, 45:2, 45:3, 161:5, 164:7
75:15, 82:13, 82:15, change [10] - 3:16, 73:8, 80:24, 82:15, 61:17, 70:17, 71:3, confessed [1] -
82:19, 82:23, 82:25, 56:9, 73:25, 89:2, 84:4, 95:6, 97:11, 73:9, 98:4, 127:1, 147:13
83:4, 83:5, 87:4, 89:15, 103:2, 136:12, 107:5, 115:12, 127:6, 172:18, 173:8 confessional [2] -
97:16, 117:6, 117:8, 147:13, 154:22, 115:14, 121:15, committees [1] - 77:23, 82:17
118:21, 121:14, 159:21 130:25 71:21 confirming [1] -
124:19, 125:1, 125:2, changed [6] - 39:18, clients [1] - 91:4 common [2] - 90:1, 102:12
126:3, 127:21, 87:16, 131:20, 132:3, 119:19 confirms [1] - 164:25
close [8] - 20:22,
144:12, 148:18, 132:4, 160:21 communicate [1] - confront [1] - 73:20
20:23, 21:4, 45:17,
149:19, 150:23, changes [2] - 99:24, 118:22 confronted [1] - 73:7
72:4, 163:10, 163:13,
157:20, 158:1, 176:7, 100:1 communicated [2] - confused [2] - 82:1,
164:13
176:11, 176:14, changing [1] - 104:1, 118:25 119:17
closed [1] - 84:5
176:15, 177:14, 139:12 communications [2]
closely [4] - 85:15, connected [1] - 6:6
177:19 charge [2] - 3:4, 3:7 - 68:12, 69:21
114:10, 139:9, 159:18 connection [1] -
Carlos's [1] - 126:4 charges [1] - 38:11 commuting [1] -
closer [1] - 168:25 108:19
4
connections [3] - 117:12, 117:24, counsel [20] - 8:12, credibility [2] - 15:11
44:25, 108:4, 153:7 156:21, 156:23, 9:11, 26:1, 27:6, 12:24, 26:3 date [1] - 5:17
conniving [1] - 161:4, 163:24 28:22, 41:17, 51:14, credit [3] - 113:17, daughter [2] - 97:7,
161:13 conversations [2] - 51:22, 55:1, 63:21, 116:4, 166:10 104:8
conscious [1] - 32:21, 166:22 65:1, 68:23, 137:24, criticized [1] - 172:6 Dave [18] - 93:21,
22:25 convinced [3] - 138:11, 138:23, cronies [1] - 34:3 100:15, 101:23,
consciousness [1] - 91:11, 156:11, 156:13 141:14, 157:7, 157:8, crooked [1] - 61:4 102:1, 102:2, 103:17,
22:9 cooked [2] - 14:1, 162:3, 179:14 Crossroads [5] - 105:3, 109:5, 109:13,
consensus [6] - 14:2 counsel's [1] - 34:14 108:24, 109:2, 109:8, 109:19, 109:24,
79:22, 82:18, 116:6, cooled [1] - 111:23 count [3] - 89:16, 109:14 111:22, 143:20,
116:11, 116:14, cooperatively [1] - 128:19, 129:7 CRP [12] - 6:6, 31:8, 150:14, 157:5,
116:16 93:6 counting [2] - 31:12, 35:6, 37:11, 157:12, 166:4
consent [1] - 34:15 copies [1] - 127:4 128:22, 128:23 42:20, 61:12, 70:17, Dave's [5] - 108:23,
conservative [1] - copy [6] - 56:20, countries [1] - 106:19, 172:9, 109:4, 109:5, 110:5,
168:17 81:4, 85:17, 145:23, 171:16 175:16, 175:18 139:17
consider [2] - 33:5, 167:14, 175:7 country [1] - 176:2 CRPs [10] - 10:22, David [16] - 48:13,
73:22 cordial [2] - 4:9, COUNTY [1] - 179:3 32:2, 32:8, 37:19, 48:15, 49:5, 70:5,
consistent [4] - 166:22 County [1] - 179:24 71:23, 76:21, 81:1, 96:5, 109:1, 109:2,
89:16, 103:4, 113:15, corporate [3] - 27:8, couple [6] - 5:12, 91:4, 171:21, 172:14 149:10, 156:25,
162:9 110:24, 112:21 13:19, 25:15, 102:19, culpable [1] - 172:1 158:18, 159:15,
consistently [1] - corporation [3] - 129:1, 140:13 culture [2] - 31:24, 159:21, 160:2, 165:5,
113:17 34:12, 34:14, 40:23 course [28] - 6:8, 61:22 165:14, 165:24
consolidate [1] - correct [87] - 8:22, 16:21, 34:22, 38:13, curious [2] - 14:22, David's [1] - 165:10
79:4 11:13, 14:16, 16:2, 59:5, 59:7, 96:22, 130:7 days [10] - 6:10,
conspicuously [1] - 16:10, 26:13, 28:3, 101:15, 103:13, current [1] - 106:19 14:18, 25:19, 25:20,
2:21 29:4, 31:21, 32:9, 104:17, 111:4, 113:3, cushy [1] - 112:12 42:4, 84:4, 115:10,
conspiracy [1] - 41:10, 44:14, 47:14, 144:10, 147:10, customer [2] - 37:15, 168:15, 168:16
149:22 47:17, 52:5, 54:8, 149:25, 151:21, 88:12 deadlines [1] - 52:11
consultant [1] - 71:11, 71:14, 77:5, 151:22, 153:16, cut [5] - 40:4, 64:20, deal [20] - 10:10,
151:19 83:18, 84:15, 86:7, 155:8, 155:9, 158:3, 94:19, 98:9, 146:9 10:22, 13:24, 40:4,
consulting [1] - 86:17, 86:20, 89:14, 158:6, 158:15, CW [14] - 80:3, 42:21, 43:15, 78:22,
51:22 91:13, 94:14, 94:17, 160:18, 161:18, 80:12, 80:17, 82:1, 81:22, 82:4, 90:23,
contact [5] - 60:20, 94:21, 99:25, 100:3, 167:20 89:24, 90:3, 90:8, 94:19, 104:11,
60:22, 61:15, 61:24, 100:9, 106:11, court [1] - 101:18 90:11, 106:22, 104:13, 104:16,
108:20 107:14, 107:16, courts [1] - 26:11 107:15, 107:23, 135:2, 137:23, 138:6,
context [1] - 65:16 108:21, 112:9, cover [4] - 11:3, 107:24, 108:16, 138:13, 140:19,
continue [2] - 11:8, 112:19, 118:4, 122:17, 152:17 108:23 152:22
151:16 120:14, 121:2, 121:8, covered [2] - 27:7, dealing [7] - 28:16,
122:9, 124:18, 135:6, 71:23, 76:23, 79:24,
contract [14] - 5:18, 120:23 D
17:3, 37:11, 42:8, 135:14, 138:24, covers [1] - 110:8 143:17, 175:4, 175:24
63:11, 77:2, 77:3, 141:5, 141:8, 142:10, CPA [2] - 71:1, 72:1 D.C [4] - 69:25, 70:1, dealings [1] - 160:24
77:4, 79:1, 84:13, 143:7, 147:24, cracked [1] - 97:24 70:2, 139:19 deals [1] - 63:11
86:6, 87:12, 112:2, 148:24, 149:2, Cragg [4] - 2:2, dad [1] - 137:5 debacle [3] - 110:1,
122:3 149:15, 150:5, 152:2, 123:17, 179:7, 179:9 damn [11] - 20:22, 151:8, 151:9
contractor [4] - 152:20, 152:24, Craig [2] - 96:2, 20:23, 30:17, 43:7, debate [1] - 82:13
36:23, 37:1, 78:22, 153:22, 154:7, 144:4 43:10, 43:20, 87:18, Deborah [2] - 58:24,
87:24 154:16, 154:24, crap [10] - 14:20, 116:20, 120:11, 132:3
contracts [4] - 76:22, 155:2, 156:3, 159:16, 23:9, 49:7, 78:5, 83:2, 129:8, 153:13 debrief [2] - 78:7,
81:8, 90:16, 91:15 160:14, 160:22, 88:9, 94:2, 132:13, damned [1] - 72:25 83:10
contradict [1] - 160:25, 161:6, 146:17, 160:21 Dan [7] - 104:12, debriefing [3] -
82:14 162:22, 166:8, craziness [3] - 11:9, 123:17, 123:23, 89:24, 97:16, 123:18
contrary [1] - 12:9 166:16, 179:11 54:9, 177:12 124:11, 124:16, debriefs [1] - 109:12
controls [2] - 71:8, corrected [1] - crazy [14] - 10:20, 125:4, 125:9 debundled [2] - 79:3,
71:22 168:20 22:18, 25:25, 28:16, Daniel [3] - 2:1, 86:9
controversy [1] - correctly [2] - 28:21, 29:1, 35:2, 179:7, 179:9 December [3] -
125:4 134:21, 158:2 35:4, 52:20, 75:12, darn [3] - 129:3, 91:19, 124:11, 170:24
convenient [1] - 3:12 correlation [1] - 82:7, 128:4, 130:14, 143:13, 149:1 decent [1] - 19:25
conversation [12] - 175:22 144:4 darned [1] - 113:23 decide [2] - 14:19,
3:16, 33:1, 60:5, corrupts [1] - 31:3 create [2] - 71:20, data [5] - 14:1, 15:25
77:12, 103:12, 114:4, cost [1] - 91:11 171:22 14:12, 14:15, 14:21, decided [8] - 33:22,
5
79:14, 80:20, 92:21, Detroit [2] - 70:24, [1]- 18:12 75:7, 170:12 132:13, 132:15
97:5, 98:11, 102:25, 70:25 distance [1] - 54:23 Draft [1] - 55:8 electronically [6] -
141:2 diabolical [2] - distant [2] - 164:11 draft [1] - 59:17 57:4, 57:7, 58:19,
decipher [1] - 157:4 24:13, 166:10 distort [1] - 14:14 drag [2] - 41:16, 59:19, 59:22, 59:25
deep [1] - 52:9 Diaz [1] - 115:21 distributed [2] - 117:24 Elizabeth [9] - 38:2,
deer [1] - 121:17 dice [1] - 122:1 16:9, 18:11 drag-out [1] - 41:16 45:17, 73:9, 98:14,
defect [1] - 166:7 died [1] - 163:5 distrustful [1] - dressing [2] - 110:23, 110:25,
defend [2] - 89:25 difference [1] - 81:3 162:19 111:14, 111:17 111:4, 115:19, 168:11
defending [2] - different [11] - 59:16, diversify [1] - 32:13 drink [1] - 53:12 email [11] - 62:24,
145:6, 152:12 85:19, 88:23, 112:17, divide [1] - 32:7 drive [4] - 20:6, 62:25, 64:16, 65:3,
defensible [1] - 52:4 132:9, 137:3, 138:21, doctor [2] - 51:4, 20:18, 28:5, 29:2 65:19, 65:22, 65:23,
defined [1] - 17:12 140:9, 143:24, 148:7, 74:12 drive-thru [1] - 20:6 68:6, 104:4, 175:3
definitely [5] - 46:19, 176:25 documentation [4] - drop [1] - 81:23 emailed [1] - 179:6
119:24, 128:15, differential [1] - 81:5 5:16, 51:23, 52:13, dropped [2] - 4:13, emails [6] - 95:4,
144:15, 160:5 differentials [1] - 168:19 5:2 95:5, 127:15, 168:9,
deflect [1] - 12:17 85:18 documents [1] - 58:4 Dubinsky [8] - 93:21, 172:19, 173:3
demand [1] - 105:1 differently [1] - DOD [1] - 63:11 100:15, 109:5, embarrass [1] -
denied [1] - 94:4 141:21 dog [3] - 74:5, 80:8, 143:20, 156:21, 150:8
denies [1] - 160:7 difficult [5] - 53:10, 122:3 157:12, 165:14, employed [1] -
Denise [20] - 58:24, 95:18, 95:19, 149:8, dogs [2] - 63:15, 165:25 179:14
92:5, 93:3, 93:7, 153:19 106:8 Dubinsky's [1] - employee [12] - 26:7,
93:12, 101:4, 102:10, dinner [3] - 165:9, DOJ [1] - 111:16 149:10 29:25, 33:4, 51:15,
102:15, 102:23, 165:11, 165:22 DOL [5] - 37:24, dumb [2] - 38:19, 60:24, 138:21,
102:25, 134:19, direction [3] - 30:8, 98:11, 98:12, 169:23, 38:23 147:22, 163:10,
137:21, 139:24, 30:9, 138:22 169:25 Dumb [2] - 38:20, 163:14, 168:14,
140:11, 146:8, directions [1] - 170:4 dollar [1] - 77:2 41:12 179:12, 179:13
147:13, 147:15, directly [1] - 129:13 dollars [1] - 46:12 Dumber [2] - 38:21, employee-owned [1]
154:3, 160:5, 165:19 directors [1] - domestic [1] - 41:12 - 33:4
Denmark [1] - 61:19 171:25 172:16 dungeon [1] - 67:16 employees [1] -
Dennis [32] - 10:21, dirty [1] - 158:5 domestically [1] - duration [1] - 171:17 137:25
14:1, 21:13, 29:1, disabilities [4] - 172:15 duress [1] - 65:24 employmentwise [1]
32:22, 33:25, 34:1, 11:2, 35:1, 37:3, done [11] - 36:22, during [5] - 7:20, - 154:22
34:10, 34:21, 36:5, 37:10 40:9, 52:22, 82:11, 10:13, 41:1, 53:22, enact [1] - 50:9
38:13, 40:4, 40:17, disability [1] - 87:13, 89:2, 89:3, 124:4 encouraged [2] -
41:24, 42:20, 43:14, 175:24 122:23, 165:1, duty [2] - 11:15, 155:22, 155:23
43:17, 45:23, 46:15, disabled [2] - 40:12, 173:24, 179:11 11:23 encumbering [1] -
93:21, 93:24, 115:13, 171:22 door [2] - 20:9, 32:1 dynamics [1] - 77:18 34:18
118:12, 124:21, disabled-owned [1] doors [1] - 37:12 dynamite [1] - 39:21 End [2] - 125:15,
126:3, 138:19, - 40:12 Dorothy [3] - 128:16, 178:6
139:11, 147:5 end [8] - 18:8, 18:9,
discharge [1] - 11:15 130:3, 132:1 E
Dennis's [2] - 34:6, disclose [1] - 64:16 Dotson [2] - 130:3, 30:20, 36:19, 128:15,
35:16 disclosure [1] - 45:4 130:20 ear [1] - 143:20 145:23, 146:16, 170:9
Denver [1] - 75:20 disclosures [1] - double [4] - 30:17, early [2] - 8:16, endorse [1] - 41:10
Department [1] - 6:12 30:18, 84:24, 129:7 129:24 endorses [1] - 38:24
112:2 disconcerting [1] - double-check [1] - earth [1] - 13:4 ends [2] - 137:13,
described [1] - 97:1 14:5 129:7 Earth [1] - 13:21 145:4
describes [1] - 97:2 discovered [1] - doubt [1] - 94:24 easy [1] - 18:21 enemy [1] - 161:17
description [1] - 109:11 down [28] - 10:7, eating [1] - 140:2 energy [1] - 30:15
60:13 discretion [1] - 65:2 19:17, 20:11, 21:17, economical [1] - engaged [1] - 170:25
desk [3] - 132:19, discrimination [1] - 22:17, 33:13, 33:14, 128:6 enjoy [1] - 113:22
164:23 27:1 37:16, 37:21, 41:16, EEOC [1] - 7:23 enthusiasm [1] -
desperate [1] - discussed [1] - 93:8 42:2, 42:3, 49:1, efficient [1] - 9:11 69:18
154:25 Discussion [2] - 53:15, 65:9, 67:18, efforts [1] - 11:22 entire [1] - 81:11
despite [1] - 135:12 97:7, 104:8 76:11, 76:21, 89:20, either [8] - 101:3, entitled [1] - 83:9
detail [1] - 53:11 dislikes [1] - 24:9 104:19, 118:11, 106:7, 111:9, 130:9, entity [1] - 17:9
determine [1] - 85:15 dispose [2] - 127:7, 126:13, 128:10, 162:17, 168:24, environment [1] -
determined [2] - 173:5 139:19, 140:1, 168:25 74:9
11:7, 23:23 disproportionate [1] 140:14, 142:5, 149:21 eke [1] - 111:5 environmental [1] -
detour [1] - 135:13 - 7:3 downhill [1] - 98:24 election [5] - 131:21, 20:19
detractors [1] - 7:6 disproportionately downstairs [2] - 131:22, 132:2, equalize [1] - 76:24
6
equally [2] - 36:20, exit [1] - 28:20 97:2, 174:25 116:21, 140:8 forgetting [1] - 33:10
171:25 expect [4] - 98:5, farce [1] - 36:7 finance [2] - 71:16, forgive [1] - 134:18
error [1] - 10:4 167:10, 167:14, fast [2] - 96:6, 136:6 71:24 forgot [6] - 40:6,
errors [1] - 80:24 167:15 faster [1] - 13:25 finances [2] - 70:19, 91:2, 93:18, 96:10,
ESOP [4] - 34:1, expectations [1] - fault [1] - 168:20 71:23 119:9, 170:6
35:18, 40:5, 43:4 127:9 faulty [2] - 95:21, financial [1] - 61:19 forgotten [1] - 134:6
ESOP-owned [1] - expense [2] - 90:24, 95:23 fine [4] - 58:13, 83:5, former [3] - 60:24,
40:5 90:25 favor [1] - 133:3 93:3, 105:22 63:2, 72:11
ESOPs [1] - 42:21 expenses [3] - 53:7, favorite [2] - 108:24, finish [3] - 50:4, forms [1] - 45:5
especially [2] - 128:4, 173:9 110:6 51:13, 51:18 Fort [9] - 33:16,
35:15, 106:18 experienced [2] - favorites [2] - 108:3, finished [2] - 64:11, 33:21, 34:25, 35:4,
etcetera [12] - 6:6, 15:24, 15:25 130:7 64:14 39:23, 48:2, 48:3,
6:7, 11:10, 12:11, expertise [1] - faxed [1] - 140:4 Finn [1] - 73:16 48:5
39:12, 39:13, 62:16, 105:15 fear [1] - 150:15 fire [2] - 51:10, 51:21 forth [12] - 11:2,
120:9, 120:10, 160:1 explain [3] - 65:16, fee [1] - 171:20 fired [2] - 144:4, 27:25, 34:2, 34:22,
EthicsPoint [7] - 75:16, 76:20 feed [2] - 113:21, 152:13 39:24, 95:10, 98:16,
127:3, 127:4, 174:3, explained [1] - 171:12 fires [1] - 51:24 101:18, 129:21,
174:4, 174:12, 175:8, 164:17 felt [1] - 159:1 firm [2] - 169:6, 137:19, 141:25,
176:15 explanation [1] - female [1] - 107:25 169:7 172:19
EthicsPoints [1] - 159:24 fence [1] - 78:14 first [13] - 36:7, four [4] - 18:1, 68:18,
176:6 Express [2] - 53:11, few [3] - 31:18, 42:4, 49:20, 56:9, 70:21, 105:21, 137:3
event [8] - 51:6, 64:1 80:24 71:1, 76:7, 76:21, frank [1] - 28:6
91:24, 115:1, 128:10, extension [5] - 87:9, Fide [23] - 75:24, 77:17, 77:25, 99:18, frankly [5] - 2:22,
130:17, 130:22, 88:13, 88:21, 89:6, 78:1, 78:15, 79:17, 102:19, 113:22, 10:8, 26:12, 30:9,
153:4, 176:4 89:7 79:23, 80:5, 80:21, 161:14 90:20
events [1] - 163:21 extent [1] - 32:6 83:9, 83:13, 83:17, fits [1] - 159:9 freaked [2] - 150:24,
eventually [1] - extra [1] - 131:10 84:1, 84:22, 85:12, five [9] - 6:10, 18:3, 151:3
127:4 eye [1] - 146:8 89:12, 106:10, 18:6, 68:18, 81:18, French [1] - 28:13
everywhere [1] - 113:23, 116:6, 93:8, 105:8, 105:21, Friday [1] - 156:12
35:14 F 120:19, 120:22, 137:3 Fridays [2] - 19:7,
evidence [1] - 13:10 121:5, 121:7, 121:23, fixed [1] - 46:3 19:11
evidently [1] - face [9] - 10:19, 122:11 flashlight [1] - 40:25 friend [8] - 12:1,
115:21 11:12, 13:4, 13:14, Fide/Lloyd [1] - Flat [1] - 13:20 21:3, 24:2, 28:20,
exact [1] - 43:7 24:20, 72:20, 99:5, 151:8 flat [1] - 166:2 70:16, 92:5, 109:5,
exactly [14] - 33:17, 142:13, 148:6 Fields [2] - 32:22, flaw [1] - 117:20 156:14
33:19, 43:9, 60:9, facilitate [1] - 2:17 138:19 flaws [1] - 82:12 fries [3] - 20:7, 20:8,
74:12, 92:19, 93:7, facing [1] - 64:4 Fifth [1] - 101:8 flipped [1] - 141:19 28:13
94:3, 103:13, 114:11, fact [10] - 75:2, 75:6, fight [2] - 8:3, 52:16 flock [1] - 113:7 front [1] - 164:22
114:25, 130:21, 100:19, 102:18, figure [9] - 35:20, floor [1] - 63:19 frugal [1] - 128:6
133:9, 138:7 108:11, 115:25, 50:23, 54:19, 77:25, flowing [2] - 112:23, frustration [1] -
exaggerating [1] - 129:22, 130:22, 109:20, 124:15, 119:22 153:25
62:20 142:23, 170:8 127:23, 156:20, flying [2] - 34:21, fucking [1] - 34:6
exaggeration [1] - facts [3] - 13:15, 170:10 101:21 full [2] - 44:22, 85:17
75:6 82:20, 152:7 figured [11] - 35:20, focus [1] - 54:3 fumbled [1] - 5:2
examiner [2] - 70:19, failing [1] - 172:7 35:22, 42:5, 44:23, foil [1] - 85:6 fun [1] - 53:20
70:25 fair [2] - 98:22, 73:10, 73:11, 73:19, folk [4] - 25:12, funded [2] - 32:3,
example [3] - 19:6, 132:11 89:20, 109:20, 33:22, 148:22, 149:24 172:16
19:13, 149:9 fairly [2] - 18:11, 117:25, 153:1 follow [1] - 157:17 funds [5] - 171:4,
except [4] - 22:17, 116:4 figuring [1] - 72:4 fool [2] - 25:9, 171:19, 171:20,
80:3, 89:21, 112:8 fake [1] - 161:4 FILE [3] - 1:9, 1:10, 160:17 172:1, 175:19
exchange [1] - 7:1 fall [1] - 25:11 1:11 foolish [1] - 152:18 funny [8] - 3:20, 4:7,
Excuse [1] - 61:8 falling [4] - 101:25, file [1] - 105:8 fools [1] - 154:12 4:11, 4:16, 69:20,
excuse [2] - 137:5, 159:25 File [1] - 2:5 for-profit [1] - 37:8 98:8, 129:25
164:16 falling-out [3] - filing [1] - 169:16 force [1] - 10:23 fussed [1] - 110:25
exec [2] - 175:16, 101:25, 159:25 fill [1] - 45:12 forced [1] - 142:17 future [2] - 45:22,
175:18 familiar [1] - 38:7 filled [1] - 80:15 145:5
foregoing [2] -
executive [4] - 9:5, family [6] - 49:1, final [1] - 83:10 179:5, 179:10
10:14, 49:10, 171:1 50:12, 51:6, 54:16, finalists [1] - 17:1 forget [5] - 5:17, G
exert [1] - 66:9 137:7, 141:20 finally [6] - 13:25, 33:8, 62:7, 93:9,
exhibit [1] - 115:18 far [4] - 56:2, 92:13, 79:16, 101:7, 114:7, 133:8 game [12] - 15:8,
7
15:9, 15:11, 30:6, 5:12, 10:11 81:25, 83:23, 96:8, heard [16] - 5:23, home [8] - 19:7,
96:9, 96:11, 98:17, group [4] - 17:13, 96:10, 106:1, 106:20, 5:24, 33:23, 76:2, 69:10, 75:4, 123:24,
141:25, 161:21, 73:19, 96:8, 175:24 107:3, 112:22, 115:3, 83:4, 84:22, 86:11, 124:4, 124:8, 142:25,
161:25, 165:4, 167:20 Group [18] - 33:16, 120:9, 122:16, 92:8, 100:23, 101:20, 143:1
general [6] - 34:14, 33:21, 33:25, 34:1, 138:21, 138:25, 135:9, 135:22, Homeland [1] -
137:24, 138:11, 34:11, 34:24, 35:6, 141:15, 141:25, 141:16, 146:17, 167:3 112:2
138:22, 141:14, 171:3 35:10, 37:14, 37:22, 146:1, 149:18, 153:6, heart [1] - 57:22 hominem [1] -
generally [2] - 60:10, 38:1, 39:14, 40:4, 157:23, 161:5, 177:3, heat [2] - 10:24, 158:22
168:6 40:10, 40:24, 42:7, 177:20 25:19 honest [5] - 30:20,
George [2] - 17:24, 43:4, 46:3 heavy [2] - 122:8, 32:23, 40:20, 93:4,
151:8 GSA [32] - 63:11, H 122:18 156:9
Gibbons [4] - 8:16, 76:24, 77:6, 78:14, heck [2] - 54:3, 150:3 honor [1] - 85:20
9:20, 10:14, 65:14 78:15, 78:17, 78:20, half [9] - 2:10, 18:2, held [2] - 36:3, Hood [1] - 48:5
Gimenez [1] - 93:21 79:10, 80:24, 83:14, 30:15, 42:14, 82:20, 162:20 hope [1] - 65:15
Ginn [19] - 33:16, 83:20, 84:3, 84:18, 92:5, 111:24, 126:8, hell [16] - 5:3, 5:5, horizon [1] - 8:10
33:21, 33:25, 34:1, 84:19, 84:22, 87:12, 140:12 20:20, 25:21, 27:19, horribly [1] - 99:21
34:10, 34:24, 35:6, 89:9, 107:12, 115:2, hallway [1] - 162:17 29:8, 30:4, 31:10, horse's [1] - 118:2
35:10, 35:17, 37:14, 115:8, 115:16, hampering [2] - 37:13, 41:2, 51:17, hospital [2] - 21:9,
37:22, 38:1, 39:14, 120:12, 120:15, 11:21, 11:22 72:25, 80:4, 86:5, 22:1
40:4, 40:10, 40:24, 121:1, 122:7, 122:18, HAND [1] - 179:19 129:2, 173:25 hot [1] - 150:13
42:7, 43:4, 46:2 149:14, 149:22, hand [4] - 13:12, help [10] - 10:15, hotel [2] - 53:14,
girl [1] - 54:7 150:4, 150:18 13:13, 30:11, 133:19 50:5, 50:6, 53:7, 65:3, 163:12
given [3] - 55:22, guard [1] - 13:9 handed [1] - 56:17 92:10, 99:1, 99:5, hotline [5] - 174:5,
116:24, 133:20 Guard [1] - 115:19 handing [1] - 13:21 136:5, 154:15 174:6, 174:11,
glad [1] - 33:9 guess [28] - 6:18, handle [3] - 25:19, helped [1] - 149:24 174:13, 174:17
gladly [1] - 51:4 19:2, 24:1, 40:10, 36:12, 136:5 helpful [1] - 61:16 hound [1] - 132:12
glee [1] - 30:8 45:23, 66:20, 77:6, handling [1] - 144:11 helping [1] - 154:9 hour [6] - 2:10,
glitch [1] - 84:2 81:18, 85:13, 89:18, hands [2] - 55:7, Henderson [1] - 85:2 77:25, 82:6, 87:9,
glossed [1] - 102:18 90:6, 90:8, 91:25, 137:2 hereto [3] - 179:13, 92:6, 126:8
God [1] - 22:4 97:21, 97:22, 98:24, handy [1] - 91:3 179:14, 179:16 hours [5] - 76:3,
god [1] - 5:7 99:7, 100:22, 101:18, hang [5] - 29:24, hero [3] - 97:1, 97:3, 91:22, 105:21,
Goli [4] - 38:13, 105:14, 127:20, 49:15, 52:16, 133:5, 161:20 113:24, 119:3
41:16, 46:19, 46:22 141:2, 144:11, 133:11 herself [2] - 136:9, house [3] - 91:5,
Gonzales [1] - 165:7 154:10, 169:6, 175:15 hanging [1] - 142:6 161:24 125:4, 140:13
good-bye [1] - guilty [2] - 5:8, 53:6 happy [4] - 7:7, 85:8, hi [1] - 161:2 houses [1] - 102:14
169:16 gut [3] - 78:3, 101:1, 98:17, 111:10 high [1] - 31:7 HR [1] - 67:19
Goodman [3] - 102:7 Happy [1] - 85:3 Hill [7] - 8:20, 92:10, Huck [1] - 73:15
45:18, 73:9, 97:13 guts [1] - 73:20 hard [10] - 14:20, 99:2, 99:6, 99:17, huff [2] - 67:7, 67:8
goodness [2] - 38:8, guy [38] - 4:9, 25:11, 40:17, 40:19, 41:18, 155:16 hug [1] - 24:10
144:7 35:19, 37:16, 37:23, 117:23, 131:8, 136:7, himself [2] - 45:24, huge [5] - 90:24,
gotcha [11] - 13:23, 38:15, 39:10, 39:11, 137:22, 160:1 101:24 90:25, 112:7, 159:20
60:1, 72:2, 72:6, 40:6, 43:20, 48:10, hate [1] - 27:2 hire [2] - 34:25, hugely [1] - 131:2
132:8, 175:1, 177:9 48:20, 51:21, 64:12, hates [1] - 22:19 41:23 Huggins [1] - 110:21
Government [1] - 68:12, 69:14, 69:21, hauled [1] - 113:9 hired [5] - 38:5, hundred [1] - 150:18
172:5 70:18, 71:16, 72:1, havoc [1] - 51:16 38:12, 38:15, 41:18 hunt [1] - 63:22
government [6] - 72:21, 73:4, 73:14, Hawaii [4] - 130:4, hiring [1] - 37:2 Hunt [1] - 63:23
15:25, 30:16, 37:18, 73:16, 75:12, 104:5, 130:10, 130:11 history [1] - 61:18 hurts [1] - 65:7
76:10, 172:11, 172:22 105:22, 107:6, head [3] - 86:3, hmm [4] - 46:13, Hynes [3] - 93:21,
108:17, 128:4, 102:13, 118:3
grab [4] - 19:15, 114:23, 135:21, 136:3 93:24, 147:5
137:18, 141:10, headlights [1] -
132:25, 133:3 hold [3] - 9:22,
153:8, 161:13, 121:17
grants [1] - 7:3 64:22, 97:4
161:20, 161:21, headquarters [1] -
I
great [9] - 25:8, 64:6, holding [5] - 10:1,
177:19 115:20
75:24, 78:1, 78:7, 10:9, 94:11, 113:5, idea [8] - 54:18,
guys [42] - 2:15, 7:6, heads [1] - 39:11
79:16, 125:12, 158:2 136:6 54:19, 74:21, 117:24,
7:10, 14:11, 17:4, hear [12] - 8:14,
Gregg [5] - 63:2, holdover [1] - 26:18 118:8, 175:25,
20:3, 23:20, 29:7, 60:11, 62:15, 75:24,
65:8, 65:19, 65:22, holidays [5] - 53:22, 176:24, 177:17
36:19, 36:20, 36:24, 83:4, 85:16, 118:2,
68:4 85:19, 104:3, 115:13, identification [2] -
36:25, 39:19, 51:16, 119:10, 135:14,
ground [2] - 7:6, 126:23 2:1, 179:8
70:18, 76:21, 77:8, 136:21, 150:11,
162:20 holy [2] - 25:16, identify [1] - 170:24
79:6, 79:10, 79:18, 167:11
groundwork [2] - 45:20 idiot [1] - 34:18
8
idiots [1] - 124:15 initial [3] - 100:23, 139:25, 144:9, 65:14, 70:22, 73:10, kill [3] - 78:15, 88:18,
IG [4] - 93:7, 93:14, 101:1, 137:4 149:14, 150:2, 150:9, 108:20, 132:4, 153:9 122:17
136:13, 136:17 innocent [4] - 77:19, 173:7, 173:14 job [14] - 25:8, 92:10, killing [1] - 89:10
ignore [1] - 79:14 83:20, 88:9, 121:24 investigations [2] - 100:11, 106:23, kind [68] - 8:17, 8:19,
ill [1] - 53:23 insider [2] - 17:10, 7:22, 11:10 110:1, 136:5, 145:1, 8:25, 9:9, 13:4, 14:4,
Illinois [1] - 22:17 17:12 invite [1] - 128:22 145:2, 154:9, 154:15, 14:22, 23:5, 23:8,
image [1] - 18:25 insiders [3] - 7:2, invited [3] - 165:8, 155:1, 164:1, 164:15, 25:14, 25:20, 28:19,
imagine [2] - 128:6, 16:6, 18:13 165:9, 165:22 176:12 28:23, 36:21, 38:1,
128:9 insisting [4] - 35:14, involve [1] - 176:22 JOB [1] - 145:8 40:22, 45:20, 48:21,
immediately [1] - 37:15, 37:18, 43:6 involved [6] - 47:18, Job [5] - 109:22, 49:6, 53:5, 53:15,
172:17 instances [1] - 13:11 77:9, 111:16, 131:18, 109:24, 109:25, 54:1, 64:10, 70:15,
impact [1] - 138:2 instead [1] - 120:15 139:25, 148:17 112:6, 112:16 72:4, 72:5, 72:7,
implicate [2] - 5:14 institutional [1] - involves [1] - 172:18 jobs [2] - 103:3, 73:14, 73:15, 96:9,
important [7] - 20:4, 148:23 irony [1] - 43:3 171:22 103:1, 111:12,
59:15, 62:11, 64:4, instruct [1] - 93:14 irrelevant [1] - 13:18 Jobs [1] - 111:9 112:15, 116:9,
64:14, 131:13, 133:22 integrity [1] - 129:2 IRS [1] - 98:9 Joe [1] - 115:20 122:21, 127:8,
impossible [5] - intend [1] - 106:6 Isleen [13] - 100:24, John [23] - 35:19, 127:12, 127:15,
18:16, 18:24, 87:13, intentions [1] - 133:5 101:5, 101:13, 35:22, 40:8, 40:9, 128:4, 133:11, 135:8,
87:17, 159:23 interested [1] - 101:24, 102:3, 42:3, 60:19, 60:20, 137:22, 138:12,
impress [1] - 132:17 179:15 103:21, 158:19, 60:21, 60:22, 61:6, 138:15, 139:12,
impression [1] - interesting [8] - 159:14, 160:3, 160:5, 61:15, 61:16, 61:25, 141:1, 141:18,
148:16 24:21, 92:20, 92:24, 160:7, 160:8, 166:15 67:3, 68:24, 68:25, 142:11, 142:19,
impromptu [1] - 98:8, 115:16, 127:2, Isleen's [3] - 102:4, 72:13, 72:18, 72:21, 143:24, 148:2,
139:3 127:14, 128:11 105:2, 157:1 73:3, 110:21 149:22, 152:18,
impugned [1] - 26:3 interference [3] - issue [3] - 106:16, Johnson [1] - 65:10 153:18, 154:1,
46:19, 46:23, 46:24 107:22, 167:9 join [2] - 4:2, 4:4 154:13, 157:3, 159:8,
in-house [2] - 91:5,
internal [2] - 71:8, issues [1] - 156:2 joined [1] - 8:1 160:2, 162:24,
125:4
71:22 itself [2] - 114:18, Jose [1] - 120:16 163:17, 163:25,
inappropriate [2] -
153:2 journey [1] - 171:18 165:19, 167:23,
98:1, 142:8 international [4] -
judge [2] - 104:20, 170:3, 176:25
incident [2] - 171:5, 126:24, 175:19,
king [1] - 131:1
171:8 175:20, 175:24 J 137:6
Kivitz [7] - 6:18,
inclined [1] - 133:16 interrupt [1] - 20:13 July [1] - 42:10
jail [1] - 157:17 jump [1] - 167:16 7:14, 8:15, 10:13,
include [2] - 16:8, interrupted [1] -
Jane [2] - 44:23, jumped [3] - 110:7, 65:13, 128:20, 173:4
59:6 97:12
45:14 138:19, 167:7 Kivitzes [1] - 11:6
including [4] - 53:3, interview [9] - 70:13,
93:14, 136:22, Janet [1] - 38:6 junior [1] - 172:9 knock [1] - 41:16
58:3, 141:24, 152:13
139:10, 146:24, Janice [1] - 129:20 jurisdiction [1] - knock-down [1] -
incompetent [2] -
147:2, 147:4, 149:10, janitorial [1] - 39:17 63:10 41:16
13:3, 34:17
149:18 January [3] - 5:16, knowledge [2] -
inconsistency [1] -
41:24, 69:18
115:24 interviewed [3] - 97:14, 179:20 K knowledgeable [2] -
incredible [1] - 98:25 146:21, 147:5, 150:13 Jean [39] - 2:2, 8:3,
interviews [4] - 9:14, 9:22, 10:15, Karen [1] - 111:6 39:4, 71:8
incumbent [6] - 35:7,
118:6, 118:7, 148:18, 11:14, 18:24, 20:16, Kathy [2] - 96:3, known [1] - 179:5
37:2, 106:19, 131:7,
148:21 21:7, 22:21, 28:22, 144:5 knows [17] - 22:20,
131:9
intrinsic [1] - 32:15 28:24, 29:23, 34:4, Katsurinis [1] - 3:20 28:21, 51:23, 58:11,
indicate [1] - 17:10
introduced [1] - 35:24, 37:17, 39:21, keep [16] - 9:21, 60:10, 83:1, 92:16,
indicted [1] - 157:16
102:15 49:1, 49:20, 53:19, 9:22, 16:18, 23:14, 95:16, 133:18, 160:3,
individual [1] - 11:1
intuitively [1] - 62:14, 64:6, 73:5, 25:24, 31:14, 38:1, 161:15, 165:23,
individually [2] -
153:17 75:22, 82:16, 83:5, 88:22, 93:25, 94:11, 166:1, 170:16, 177:3
77:17, 80:14
invest [1] - 16:16 86:12, 91:10, 97:9, 109:21, 117:5, 145:1, Knox [6] - 33:16,
individuals [3] -
98:5, 107:15, 109:12, 148:21, 155:7, 160:9 33:21, 34:25, 35:5,
11:18, 11:20 invested [1] - 28:24
123:15, 125:10, keeps [2] - 21:20, 39:23, 48:2
inefficient [2] - investigate [4] -
126:10, 127:7, 137:9, 45:23 kosher [1] - 152:1
24:20, 27:24 127:10, 139:18,
143:25 167:21, 177:4 Kelly [1] - 68:24 Kulman [1] - 67:25
infighting [1] - 12:20
investigating [3] - Jennifer [1] - 130:3 kept [6] - 35:13, Kunetz [2] - 67:23,
inflicting [1] - 30:8
118:13, 150:17, 173:9 Jesus [1] - 86:22 49:10, 103:5, 140:5 68:1
influence [3] - 65:10,
investigation [14] - Jill [2] - 65:9, 66:2 kid [3] - 75:6, 119:10
66:9, 110:5
information [3] - 8:4, 62:18, 66:22, 83:12, Jim [15] - 8:16, 9:20, kid's [1] - 121:15 L
110:12, 112:6, 10:14, 34:19, 43:1, kiddingly [1] - 44:3
16:24, 86:25 labor [2] - 91:2,
127:19, 139:23, 44:24, 44:25, 63:9, kids [1] - 119:11
informed [1] - 88:6
9
169:7 leave [9] - 8:15, 23:3, 16:12, 16:17, 168:7 3:5, 3:9, 3:14, 4:6, 53:16, 53:19, 53:24,
lack [3] - 69:17, 50:10, 50:13, 50:15, listed [1] - 25:7 4:10, 4:17, 4:24, 5:6, 54:2, 54:5, 54:8,
151:10 51:7, 62:8, 123:15, listen [3] - 13:1, 5:9, 5:20, 6:2, 6:4, 54:11, 54:21, 54:24,
Lakeview [8] - 33:21, 156:19 47:15, 164:5 6:8, 6:16, 6:21, 6:25, 55:2, 55:5, 55:11,
35:5, 36:13, 36:22, leaves [1] - 67:8 listened [2] - 139:2, 7:12, 7:24, 8:8, 8:13, 55:13, 55:16, 55:20,
39:10, 39:11, 39:16, leaving [2] - 45:23, 139:9 8:22, 8:24, 9:1, 9:16, 55:24, 56:2, 56:7,
48:10 162:17 literally [6] - 3:15, 9:19, 9:24, 10:17, 56:10, 56:14, 56:18,
land [1] - 45:24 Lee [2] - 48:3, 153:3 7:18, 75:2, 75:5, 75:7, 10:25, 11:13, 11:18, 56:20, 56:25, 57:5,
landscape [1] - left [21] - 8:15, 22:3, 133:18 11:20, 12:8, 12:14, 57:11, 57:13, 57:16,
14:24 60:17, 67:2, 67:6, litigation [5] - 7:9, 12:21, 13:7, 13:9, 57:23, 58:2, 58:9,
landscaping [2] - 67:14, 68:15, 70:12, 7:10, 8:10, 138:16, 13:17, 14:10, 14:16, 58:12, 58:14, 58:17,
107:16, 107:22 70:16, 97:24, 101:5, 144:10 15:3, 15:16, 15:18, 58:20, 59:1, 59:5,
language [1] - 34:4 101:13, 109:11, litigations [1] - 7:23 15:21, 16:2, 16:10, 59:7, 59:9, 59:12,
laptops [1] - 4:1 110:4, 110:18, 113:8, live [3] - 68:19, 16:14, 16:21, 16:25, 59:15, 59:20, 59:23,
last [17] - 6:20, 142:6, 151:13, 69:23, 69:24 17:6, 17:11, 17:14, 60:1, 60:6, 60:12,
17:23, 17:24, 22:12, 174:14, 174:16 lives [1] - 70:25 17:17, 17:21, 18:1, 60:15, 60:21, 61:1,
53:2, 67:5, 68:18, legal [11] - 5:14, living [1] - 154:12 18:5, 18:16, 18:19, 61:5, 61:8, 61:10,
75:4, 92:1, 97:22, 9:11, 12:6, 110:20, Lloyd [1] - 17:24 18:22, 18:24, 19:8, 61:13, 61:20, 61:23,
105:17, 116:17, 110:23, 111:1, 123:3, LMI [1] - 151:11 19:20, 20:14, 21:11, 62:2, 62:5, 62:10,
123:25, 124:8, 129:1, 134:23, 134:25, lo [1] - 15:24 21:16, 21:18, 22:13, 62:19, 62:21, 63:1,
129:13, 137:3 135:1, 135:5 loans [2] - 157:14, 22:22, 23:4, 23:7, 63:4, 63:8, 63:17,
lastly [1] - 60:15 legalistically [1] - 157:18 23:11, 23:17, 23:21, 64:2, 64:8, 64:18,
late [2] - 92:1, 134:18 153:24 23:25, 24:3, 24:6, 64:25, 65:5, 65:12,
local [2] - 27:6,
latest [1] - 145:10 legitimate [1] - 167:9 24:17, 25:2, 25:5, 65:20, 65:25, 66:4,
151:23
laughed [1] - 111:12 less [3] - 9:8, 102:6, 25:10, 25:23, 26:9, 66:7, 66:11, 66:16,
Lockard [1] - 172:24
laundry [1] - 168:7 148:25 26:13, 26:19, 26:22, 66:23, 67:1, 67:4,
locker [4] - 94:1,
lessons [1] - 64:6 26:25, 27:4, 27:10, 67:10, 67:13, 67:18,
lavish [1] - 170:18 94:3, 147:16, 147:17
letter [10] - 41:20, 27:13, 27:16, 27:20, 67:22, 67:25, 68:2,
law [1] - 157:15 log [2] - 43:21, 43:22
72:12, 72:15, 103:21, 28:3, 28:8, 28:14, 68:5, 68:8, 68:14,
lawyer [29] - 13:3, logical [1] - 119:21
104:2, 105:1, 159:1, 28:17, 29:4, 29:17, 68:16, 68:19, 69:2,
27:24, 38:5, 38:6, logically [1] - 119:22
166:18, 167:2 29:20, 29:22, 30:19, 69:6, 69:9, 69:12,
41:18, 48:16, 52:21, longest [1] - 148:23
letters [3] - 41:19, 31:2, 31:11, 31:13, 69:17, 69:23, 70:1,
101:13, 101:17, look [24] - 10:19,
62:4, 103:17 31:16, 31:21, 32:4, 70:3, 70:8, 70:10,
102:4, 104:1, 104:11, 14:8, 15:10, 31:5,
letting [2] - 47:7, 32:9, 32:12, 32:15, 70:14, 70:20, 70:23,
105:1, 124:23, 137:6, 35:3, 51:12, 58:5,
122:18 32:19, 33:1, 33:11, 71:5, 71:11, 71:14,
139:19, 141:20, 58:22, 61:9, 78:2,
33:17, 33:19, 34:7, 71:17, 71:25, 72:2,
142:22, 152:22, leverage [4] - 29:8, 80:16, 85:14, 95:13,
34:16, 35:8, 35:12, 72:6, 72:9, 72:17,
153:8, 153:11, 158:5, 158:14, 166:4 99:23, 112:23, 114:9,
35:21, 35:24, 36:10, 72:22, 73:2, 73:13,
153:12, 153:13, license [1] - 39:25 128:2, 142:13, 143:5,
36:14, 36:17, 37:7, 73:17, 73:21, 74:2,
157:1, 158:21, lie [2] - 10:3, 63:15 144:23, 145:22,
38:8, 38:22, 38:25, 74:6, 74:8, 74:12,
166:19, 166:20, lied [4] - 147:9, 151:11, 153:20,
39:6, 39:18, 40:2, 74:18, 74:20, 74:24,
167:3, 167:4 147:10, 148:11, 175:25
40:8, 40:11, 40:14, 75:10, 75:13, 75:18,
lawyer's [1] - 40:6 148:17 looked [13] - 3:1,
41:5, 41:14, 42:1, 75:21, 76:1, 76:4,
lawyers [13] - 4:4, lies [1] - 149:1 3:12, 4:25, 5:3, 25:16,
42:9, 42:11, 42:15, 76:9, 76:12, 76:14,
4:22, 7:8, 41:23, 78:2, life [4] - 19:4, 23:14, 44:4, 48:8, 62:23, 42:17, 42:24, 43:9, 76:19, 76:25, 77:5,
82:19, 90:22, 103:17, 29:9, 163:13 77:13, 146:8, 148:5, 43:18, 43:21, 44:1, 77:10, 77:21, 78:4,
138:15, 139:24, light [1] - 79:19 161:18
44:6, 44:14, 44:17, 78:9, 78:16, 78:19,
152:12, 164:4, 176:22 lightly [2] - 118:16, looking [16] - 4:12, 44:20, 45:1, 45:6, 78:23, 79:2, 79:5,
lay [2] - 5:11, 10:12 118:17 5:4, 14:23, 28:11, 45:13, 45:15, 45:19, 79:9, 79:13, 80:1,
laying [1] - 127:9 likely [1] - 149:1 31:19, 60:9, 100:10, 46:1, 46:10, 46:17, 80:6, 80:9, 80:13,
lead [2] - 3:4, 3:7 limb [2] - 142:21, 126:20, 127:5, 151:7, 46:21, 47:1, 47:8, 80:22, 81:2, 81:9,
leaned [1] - 144:23 155:11 153:6, 158:3, 158:13, 47:11, 47:14, 47:17, 81:13, 81:16, 81:24,
learn [1] - 115:24 limited [1] - 107:6 161:19, 164:14, 47:21, 47:24, 48:4, 82:3, 82:9, 82:21,
learned [2] - 79:15, line [1] - 51:10 176:24 48:6, 48:12, 48:14, 82:25, 83:15, 83:18,
112:4 links [1] - 179:6 looks [3] - 83:16, 48:17, 48:20, 48:23, 83:21, 83:24, 84:6,
leash [1] - 92:18 Linlee [3] - 77:18, 83:19, 152:10 49:4, 49:11, 49:19, 84:11, 84:15, 84:20,
least [10] - 14:21, 88:4, 88:11 loop [1] - 164:17 49:23, 50:2, 50:8, 84:23, 84:25, 85:5,
54:22, 97:23, 120:23, lion's [1] - 39:15 loose [2] - 98:10, 50:14, 50:17, 50:19, 85:7, 85:10, 85:22,
126:19, 152:18, Lisa [4] - 64:16, 98:12 50:21, 51:2, 51:9, 85:24, 86:7, 86:14,
170:21, 171:15, 118:1, 126:5, 176:14 Lopez [1] - 2:2 51:11, 51:25, 52:2, 86:17, 86:20, 86:23,
173:23, 177:10 list [5] - 15:15, 16:4, LOPEZ [794] - 2:23, 52:5, 52:14, 52:24, 87:10, 87:15, 87:19,
10
88:1, 88:16, 88:19, 120:2, 120:6, 120:14, 149:11, 149:15, lover's [2] - 101:25, 36:3, 36:5, 37:11,
88:25, 89:4, 89:8, 120:17, 120:20, 149:25, 150:5, 159:14 37:25, 38:12, 41:22,
89:14, 89:23, 90:5, 121:2, 121:8, 121:12, 150:20, 151:2, 151:9, lowest [1] - 36:8 42:12, 82:8, 83:8,
90:7, 90:13, 90:17, 121:21, 122:4, 122:6, 151:14, 151:17, Lowman [1] - 7:25 85:2, 95:6, 134:22,
90:21, 90:24, 91:6, 122:9, 122:15, 123:1, 151:20, 151:22, Lowmans [1] - 11:6 134:24, 137:21,
91:9, 91:13, 91:17, 123:5, 123:8, 123:10, 151:24, 152:2, 152:9, luck [1] - 37:21 138:6, 138:20,
91:20, 91:23, 92:3, 123:12, 123:15, 152:16, 152:20, luckily [1] - 105:1 139:12, 140:15,
92:9, 92:13, 92:16, 123:17, 123:22, 152:24, 153:10, lunch [8] - 19:14, 142:7, 157:5
92:19, 92:23, 93:2, 124:2, 124:6, 124:9, 153:12, 153:22, 20:13, 33:24, 41:3, Martin's [2] - 24:22,
93:12, 93:19, 94:3, 124:13, 124:18, 154:4, 154:7, 154:14, 41:4, 41:8, 140:2, 122:22
94:14, 94:17, 94:21, 124:24, 125:5, 154:16, 154:19, 153:15 mastermind [1] -
94:23, 95:8, 95:12, 125:10, 125:12, 154:24, 155:2, 155:5, lunchtime [1] - 19:25 6:23
95:15, 95:18, 95:22, 125:14, 126:6, 155:8, 155:12, lying [4] - 77:13, match [1] - 141:23
95:24, 96:12, 96:15, 126:11, 126:17, 155:15, 155:17, 107:20, 154:2 materials [2] - 58:7,
96:18, 96:22, 97:8, 126:25, 127:18, 155:20, 155:25, lynch [1] - 2:12 172:15
97:20, 98:3, 98:13, 128:8, 128:13, 156:3, 156:6, 156:8, matrix [1] - 80:16
98:18, 98:21, 98:24, 128:17, 128:24, 156:15, 156:22,
99:4, 99:7, 99:11, 129:5, 129:17, 130:4, 157:2, 157:9, 157:25,
M matter [12] - 4:3,
4:23, 26:1, 54:12,
99:18, 99:25, 100:3, 130:9, 130:13, 158:4, 158:7, 158:10, Machiavellian [8] - 79:21, 81:14, 97:4,
100:6, 100:9, 100:14, 130:15, 130:21, 158:12, 158:15, 85:1, 87:21, 88:5, 103:9, 109:14,
100:17, 100:21, 130:24, 131:2, 131:4, 158:20, 158:23, 100:16, 101:23, 146:16, 152:3, 171:3
101:2, 101:15, 131:6, 131:11, 159:4, 159:6, 159:11, 105:12, 109:15, 123:3 Mayling [20] - 4:4,
101:19, 102:5, 102:9, 131:16, 131:24, 159:16, 160:7, machinations [1] - 5:2, 57:20, 60:5,
102:17, 102:21, 132:8, 132:14, 160:14, 160:18, 13:14 62:17, 63:25, 64:7,
103:6, 103:10, 132:16, 132:20, 160:22, 160:25, machine [4] - 14:25, 64:11, 64:22, 75:15,
103:13, 103:19, 132:23, 133:1, 133:7, 161:6, 161:10, 23:15, 56:1, 65:14 82:15, 82:20, 83:4,
103:24, 104:6, 133:9, 133:13, 161:22, 162:1, mad [3] - 37:12, 97:16, 119:8, 119:16,
104:14, 104:17, 133:15, 133:22, 162:11, 162:15, 64:19, 176:7 120:24, 121:14, 126:3
104:21, 104:23, 134:1, 134:4, 134:7, 162:22, 162:25, mail [1] - 132:21 Mc [1] - 20:5
105:6, 105:10, 134:10, 134:14, 163:3, 163:7, 163:11, main [1] - 111:2 McDonald's [1] -
105:15, 105:18, 134:17, 134:21, 163:15, 163:22, maintaining [1] - 20:6
105:25, 106:4, 135:1, 135:3, 135:6, 164:2, 164:6, 164:22, 124:20 Mead [2] - 110:2,
106:11, 106:14, 135:11, 135:14, 165:2, 165:6, 165:8, major [2] - 41:15, 113:1
106:17, 106:22, 135:18, 135:20, 165:17, 166:8, 52:8 mean [143] - 4:8,
107:1, 107:4, 107:8, 135:22, 136:1, 136:4, 166:13, 166:16, majority [3] - 131:23, 4:13, 4:19, 5:1, 5:17,
107:11, 107:14, 136:11, 136:15, 166:25, 167:5, 8:2, 8:3, 10:10, 13:6,
132:5, 132:6
107:21, 108:7, 108:9, 136:18, 136:20, 167:12, 167:20, 13:12, 13:18, 14:3,
malpractice [1] -
108:13, 108:15, 137:8, 138:10, 168:1, 168:4, 168:23, 14:22, 16:20, 18:17,
38:10
108:21, 109:1, 109:6, 138:17, 139:4, 139:6, 169:1, 169:4, 169:8, 20:3, 20:12, 20:13,
man [8] - 4:19, 44:5,
109:9, 109:17, 139:16, 139:20, 169:11, 169:13, 24:11, 24:20, 25:21,
67:2, 93:11, 136:7,
109:22, 110:3, 140:16, 140:18, 169:18, 169:24, 26:17, 26:20, 28:6,
143:19, 170:17,
110:10, 110:14, 140:22, 140:25, 170:2, 170:5, 170:13, 28:15, 28:23, 30:14,
174:20
110:16, 111:11, 141:5, 141:8, 141:12, 170:19, 172:12, 30:19, 30:24, 31:4,
manage [2] - 9:14,
111:20, 112:1, 112:9, 141:17, 142:2, 172:25, 173:11, 31:19, 35:4, 38:14,
10:10
112:14, 112:19, 142:10, 142:14, 173:19, 174:1, 174:4, 39:10, 40:25, 41:7,
managed [1] - 111:5
112:25, 113:3, 113:7, 143:2, 143:4, 143:7, 174:7, 174:10, 41:8, 44:3, 46:4,
management [1] -
113:12, 113:14, 143:11, 143:15, 174:13, 174:15, 46:11, 46:12, 47:9,
171:2
113:19, 113:25, 143:18, 143:22, 174:17, 174:21, 47:25, 49:2, 50:10,
manner [1] - 172:2
114:5, 114:8, 114:11, 144:2, 144:7, 144:13, 174:24, 175:1, 175:6, 54:12, 54:17, 54:21,
mans [2] - 174:17
114:14, 114:19, 144:17, 144:21, 175:9, 175:17, 176:3, 56:8, 57:19, 60:10,
manufacture [2] -
114:21, 114:25, 144:25, 145:3, 176:8, 176:12, 65:7, 66:1, 66:6, 66:8,
172:10, 172:21
115:4, 115:7, 115:15, 145:11, 145:16, 176:19, 177:1, 177:4, 68:17, 72:11, 73:8,
116:8, 116:12, 145:19, 145:25, 177:9, 177:16, March [1] - 6:20
Mark [7] - 68:13, 73:12, 74:4, 74:5,
116:15, 116:18, 146:2, 146:6, 146:10, 177:23, 177:25, 74:6, 89:23, 92:22,
117:2, 117:8, 117:13, 146:13, 146:18, 178:2, 178:4 68:14, 68:15, 68:21,
69:13, 69:14, 70:4 93:20, 94:23, 94:24,
117:15, 117:17, 146:20, 146:23, Lord [1] - 95:16 95:3, 99:2, 99:18,
117:21, 118:4, 147:2, 147:6, 147:9, lose [1] - 94:10 market [1] - 37:5
100:1, 100:22,
118:10, 118:14, 147:12, 147:19, lost [2] - 5:1, 135:7 Martin [32] - 8:20,
106:24, 108:4,
118:16, 118:23, 147:24, 148:9, 24:5, 24:6, 24:7, 24:8,
love [7] - 3:20, 24:25, 108:23, 109:20,
119:1, 119:5, 119:13, 148:13, 148:15, 24:19, 24:25, 25:4,
113:15, 117:2, 177:5 110:17, 110:18,
119:15, 119:20, 148:24, 149:2, 149:5, 25:7, 25:9, 34:11,
11
113:8, 113:9, 114:20, 14:5, 19:10, 36:3, 38:5 14:10, 14:16, 15:3, 58:14, 58:17, 58:20,
114:22, 115:15, 156:18 missive [1] - 168:8 15:16, 15:18, 15:21, 59:1, 59:5, 59:7, 59:9,
115:25, 117:22, Melphine [2] - 27:3, mistake [3] - 26:8, 16:2, 16:10, 16:14, 59:12, 59:15, 59:20,
119:7, 119:24, 27:4 46:6, 71:7 16:21, 16:25, 17:6, 59:23, 60:1, 60:6,
120:21, 123:6, member [4] - 67:11, mistakes [3] - 52:7, 17:11, 17:14, 17:17, 60:12, 60:15, 60:21,
127:23, 131:3, 67:12, 67:13, 67:15 52:8, 98:16 17:21, 18:1, 18:5, 61:1, 61:5, 61:8,
131:18, 132:13, members [9] - 27:3, mistreated [1] - 11:2 18:16, 18:19, 18:22, 61:10, 61:13, 61:20,
135:12, 137:15, 29:1, 65:18, 66:14, misuse [2] - 171:4, 18:24, 19:8, 19:20, 61:23, 62:2, 62:5,
138:11, 138:13, 70:12, 72:11, 72:13, 171:20 20:14, 21:11, 21:16, 62:10, 62:19, 62:21,
139:24, 140:17, 171:24, 172:3 misusing [1] - 21:18, 22:13, 22:22, 63:1, 63:4, 63:8,
141:9, 143:10, memory [2] - 95:21, 175:19 23:4, 23:7, 23:11, 63:17, 64:2, 64:8,
143:14, 144:22, 148:23 mob [1] - 2:12 23:17, 23:21, 23:25, 64:18, 64:25, 65:5,
147:18, 148:14, mentioned [1] - mode [1] - 138:16 24:3, 24:6, 24:17, 65:12, 65:20, 65:25,
149:4, 150:6, 150:7, 127:12 mom [7] - 21:2, 21:8, 25:2, 25:5, 25:10, 66:4, 66:7, 66:11,
152:11, 152:17, mess [1] - 142:20 21:25, 22:8, 22:15, 25:23, 26:9, 26:13, 66:16, 66:23, 67:1,
153:5, 155:6, 156:1, messages [3] - 7:17, 49:21, 53:23 26:19, 26:22, 26:25, 67:4, 67:10, 67:13,
158:2, 158:24, 123:25, 124:7 mom's [1] - 54:13 27:4, 27:10, 27:13, 67:18, 67:22, 67:25,
159:12, 159:22, messed [2] - 31:24, moment [1] - 99:20 27:16, 27:20, 28:3, 68:2, 68:5, 68:8,
159:23, 160:11, 39:9 Monday [3] - 119:14, 28:8, 28:14, 28:17, 68:14, 68:16, 68:19,
161:1, 161:12, messing [2] - 34:20, 123:21, 125:9 29:4, 29:17, 29:20, 69:2, 69:6, 69:9,
161:23, 162:12, 40:18 monday [1] - 119:15 29:22, 30:19, 31:2, 69:12, 69:17, 69:23,
163:20, 164:6, 164:7, met [2] - 97:3, 161:5 31:11, 31:13, 31:16, 70:1, 70:3, 70:8,
Mondays [2] - 19:7,
164:16, 166:2, middle [9] - 41:17, 31:21, 32:4, 32:9, 70:10, 70:14, 70:20,
19:10
166:18, 166:19, 43:2, 46:13, 83:2, 32:12, 32:15, 32:19, 70:23, 71:5, 71:11,
money [10] - 16:16,
166:23, 167:2, 167:8, 83:12, 87:1, 88:9, 33:1, 33:11, 33:17, 71:14, 71:17, 71:25,
31:19, 31:22, 35:4,
167:15, 167:25, 137:14, 142:20 33:19, 34:7, 34:16, 72:2, 72:6, 72:9,
39:16, 46:5, 91:12,
168:16, 170:10, might [18] - 11:14, 35:8, 35:12, 35:21, 72:17, 72:22, 73:2,
112:22, 171:20,
174:25, 175:12, 15:19, 15:22, 15:25, 35:24, 36:10, 36:14, 73:13, 73:17, 73:21,
175:23
175:25, 177:18, 32:23, 61:14, 61:25, 36:17, 37:7, 38:8, 74:2, 74:6, 74:8,
month [4] - 35:4,
177:21 83:20, 85:12, 85:13, 38:22, 38:25, 39:6, 74:12, 74:18, 74:20,
46:9, 88:12, 88:13
meaning [3] - 45:9, 86:2, 99:11, 133:8, 39:18, 40:2, 40:8, 74:24, 75:10, 75:13,
months [3] - 13:20,
53:8, 146:5 159:20, 165:20, 166:3 40:11, 40:14, 41:5, 75:18, 75:21, 76:1,
21:17, 68:18
meaningless [1] - Mike [7] - 7:14, 8:15, 41:14, 42:1, 42:9, 76:4, 76:9, 76:12,
morning [1] - 168:8
166:23 10:13, 11:6, 65:13, 42:11, 42:15, 42:17, 76:14, 76:19, 76:25,
most [10] - 13:3,
means [5] - 117:10, 128:20, 173:3 42:24, 43:9, 43:18, 77:5, 77:10, 77:21,
27:23, 30:24, 62:11,
126:13, 136:9, 171:13 43:21, 44:1, 44:6, 78:4, 78:9, 78:16,
million [4] - 35:2, 64:4, 64:14, 81:18,
meant [1] - 139:14 44:14, 44:17, 44:20, 78:19, 78:23, 79:2,
35:3, 46:11, 77:2 102:8, 132:7, 168:17
meantime [1] - 26:4 45:1, 45:6, 45:13, 79:5, 79:9, 79:13,
million-dollar [1] - mostly [1] - 102:7
media [1] - 68:10 45:15, 45:19, 46:1, 80:1, 80:6, 80:9,
77:2 mother [1] - 160:12
medical [2] - 50:12, 46:10, 46:17, 46:21, 80:13, 80:22, 81:2,
mind [4] - 94:25, motion [2] - 63:13,
51:7 47:1, 47:8, 47:11, 81:9, 81:13, 81:16,
103:2, 122:1, 135:7 63:19
meet [5] - 19:18, 47:14, 47:17, 47:21, 81:24, 82:3, 82:9,
mine [1] - 28:20 motions [1] - 5:12
19:21, 20:10, 20:11, 47:24, 48:4, 48:6, 82:21, 82:25, 83:15,
MINNESOTA [1] - mouthed [1] - 164:4
60:4 48:12, 48:14, 48:17, 83:18, 83:21, 83:24,
179:2 mouthing [1] - 162:9
meeting [42] - 2:9, 48:20, 48:23, 49:4, 84:6, 84:11, 84:15,
minute [16] - 33:13, move [5] - 9:14,
2:10, 3:17, 3:19, 6:20, 49:11, 49:19, 49:23, 84:20, 84:23, 84:25,
49:17, 53:5, 55:17, 9:15, 9:17, 13:25,
8:16, 10:21, 11:4, 50:2, 50:8, 50:14, 85:5, 85:7, 85:10,
63:25, 64:3, 64:11, 33:15
21:4, 21:6, 21:21, 50:17, 50:19, 50:21, 85:22, 85:24, 86:7,
67:21, 113:5, 113:6, movie [2] - 4:15,
21:22, 22:6, 22:19, 51:2, 51:9, 51:11, 86:14, 86:17, 86:20,
114:3, 119:18, 120:4, 38:20
22:20, 23:1, 23:3, 51:25, 52:2, 52:5, 86:23, 87:10, 87:15,
134:2, 169:15 MR [794] - 2:23, 3:5,
41:2, 43:16, 43:17, 52:14, 52:24, 53:16, 87:19, 88:1, 88:16,
minutes [11] - 19:19, 3:9, 3:14, 4:6, 4:10,
44:8, 47:5, 48:16, 53:19, 53:24, 54:2, 88:19, 88:25, 89:4,
19:22, 57:9, 58:3, 4:17, 4:24, 5:6, 5:9,
53:3, 53:8, 58:2, 58:8, 54:5, 54:8, 54:11, 89:8, 89:14, 89:23,
58:7, 62:18, 62:23, 5:20, 6:2, 6:4, 6:8,
63:16, 66:19, 97:14, 54:21, 54:24, 55:2, 90:5, 90:7, 90:13,
66:19, 75:8, 119:25, 6:16, 6:21, 6:25, 7:12,
126:2, 126:14, 55:5, 55:11, 55:13, 90:17, 90:21, 90:24,
121:11 7:24, 8:8, 8:13, 8:22,
126:15, 134:13, 55:16, 55:20, 55:24, 91:6, 91:9, 91:13,
miserable [2] - 19:4, 8:24, 9:1, 9:16, 9:19,
139:18, 157:20, 56:2, 56:7, 56:10, 91:17, 91:20, 91:23,
29:9 9:24, 10:17, 10:25,
157:21, 161:9, 56:14, 56:18, 56:20, 92:3, 92:9, 92:13,
mission [2] - 8:2, 11:13, 11:18, 11:20,
161:11, 161:19 56:25, 57:5, 57:11, 92:16, 92:19, 92:23,
23:14 12:8, 12:14, 12:21, 57:13, 57:16, 57:23, 93:2, 93:12, 93:19,
meetings [5] - 14:4, Mississippi [1] - 13:7, 13:9, 13:17, 58:2, 58:9, 58:12, 94:3, 94:14, 94:17,
12
94:21, 94:23, 95:8, 124:24, 125:5, 154:16, 154:19, 17:18, 17:22, 18:3, 60:19, 60:22, 61:2,
95:12, 95:15, 95:18, 125:10, 125:12, 154:24, 155:2, 155:5, 18:6, 18:17, 18:20, 61:6, 61:9, 61:11,
95:22, 95:24, 96:12, 125:14, 126:6, 155:8, 155:12, 18:23, 19:2, 19:9, 61:14, 61:21, 61:24,
96:15, 96:18, 96:22, 126:11, 126:17, 155:15, 155:17, 19:21, 20:15, 21:12, 62:3, 62:6, 62:11,
97:8, 97:20, 98:3, 126:25, 127:18, 155:20, 155:25, 21:17, 21:19, 22:14, 62:20, 62:22, 63:2,
98:13, 98:18, 98:21, 128:8, 128:13, 156:3, 156:6, 156:8, 22:23, 23:5, 23:8, 63:5, 63:9, 63:18,
98:24, 99:4, 99:7, 128:17, 128:24, 156:15, 156:22, 23:12, 23:18, 23:22, 64:3, 64:9, 64:19,
99:11, 99:18, 99:25, 129:5, 129:17, 130:4, 157:2, 157:9, 157:25, 24:1, 24:4, 24:7, 65:1, 65:6, 65:13,
100:3, 100:6, 100:9, 130:9, 130:13, 158:4, 158:7, 158:10, 24:18, 25:3, 25:6, 65:21, 66:1, 66:5,
100:14, 100:17, 130:15, 130:21, 158:12, 158:15, 25:11, 25:24, 26:10, 66:8, 66:12, 66:17,
100:21, 101:2, 130:24, 131:2, 131:4, 158:20, 158:23, 26:14, 26:20, 26:23, 66:24, 67:3, 67:8,
101:15, 101:19, 131:6, 131:11, 159:4, 159:6, 159:11, 27:1, 27:5, 27:11, 67:11, 67:17, 67:21,
102:5, 102:9, 102:17, 131:16, 131:24, 159:16, 160:7, 27:14, 27:17, 27:21, 67:23, 68:1, 68:3,
102:21, 103:6, 132:8, 132:14, 160:14, 160:18, 28:4, 28:9, 28:15, 68:6, 68:11, 68:15,
103:10, 103:13, 132:16, 132:20, 160:22, 160:25, 28:18, 29:5, 29:18, 68:17, 68:21, 69:3,
103:19, 103:24, 132:23, 133:1, 133:7, 161:6, 161:10, 29:21, 29:23, 30:23, 69:7, 69:10, 69:13,
104:6, 104:14, 133:9, 133:13, 161:22, 162:1, 31:4, 31:12, 31:14, 69:20, 69:25, 70:2,
104:17, 104:21, 133:15, 133:22, 162:11, 162:15, 31:17, 31:22, 32:5, 70:4, 70:9, 70:11,
104:23, 105:6, 134:1, 134:4, 134:7, 162:22, 162:25, 32:10, 32:13, 32:18, 70:15, 70:21, 70:24,
105:10, 105:15, 134:10, 134:14, 163:3, 163:7, 163:11, 32:24, 33:8, 33:12, 71:6, 71:12, 71:15,
105:18, 105:25, 134:17, 134:21, 163:15, 163:22, 33:18, 33:20, 34:8, 71:19, 72:1, 72:7,
106:4, 106:11, 135:1, 135:3, 135:6, 164:2, 164:6, 164:22, 34:17, 35:9, 35:13, 72:10, 72:18, 72:23,
106:14, 106:17, 135:11, 135:14, 165:2, 165:6, 165:8, 35:22, 36:1, 36:11, 73:3, 73:14, 73:18,
106:22, 107:1, 107:4, 135:18, 135:20, 165:17, 166:8, 36:15, 36:18, 37:8, 73:24, 74:3, 74:7,
107:8, 107:11, 135:22, 136:1, 136:4, 166:13, 166:16, 38:9, 38:23, 39:1, 74:10, 74:16, 74:19,
107:14, 107:21, 136:11, 136:15, 166:25, 167:5, 39:7, 39:19, 40:3, 74:21, 74:25, 75:2,
108:7, 108:9, 108:13, 136:18, 136:20, 167:12, 167:20, 40:9, 40:12, 40:15, 75:11, 75:14, 75:19,
108:15, 108:21, 137:8, 138:10, 168:1, 168:4, 168:23, 41:6, 41:15, 42:2, 75:22, 76:2, 76:5,
109:1, 109:6, 109:9, 138:17, 139:4, 139:6, 169:1, 169:4, 169:8, 42:10, 42:12, 42:16, 76:10, 76:13, 76:15,
109:17, 109:22, 139:16, 139:20, 169:11, 169:13, 42:18, 42:25, 43:10, 76:20, 77:1, 77:6,
110:3, 110:10, 140:16, 140:18, 169:18, 169:24, 43:19, 43:24, 44:2, 77:11, 77:22, 78:5,
110:14, 110:16, 140:22, 140:25, 170:2, 170:5, 170:13, 44:7, 44:15, 44:19, 78:10, 78:17, 78:20,
111:11, 111:20, 141:5, 141:8, 141:12, 170:19, 172:12, 44:22, 45:2, 45:7, 78:24, 79:3, 79:6,
112:1, 112:9, 112:14, 141:17, 142:2, 172:25, 173:11, 45:14, 45:16, 45:20, 79:10, 79:14, 80:2,
112:19, 112:25, 142:10, 142:14, 173:19, 174:1, 174:4, 46:2, 46:11, 46:18, 80:7, 80:10, 80:14,
113:3, 113:7, 113:12, 143:2, 143:4, 143:7, 174:7, 174:10, 46:22, 47:3, 47:9, 80:23, 81:3, 81:10,
113:14, 113:19, 143:11, 143:15, 174:13, 174:15, 47:12, 47:15, 47:18, 81:14, 81:17, 81:25,
113:25, 114:5, 114:8, 143:18, 143:22, 174:17, 174:21, 47:22, 47:25, 48:5, 82:4, 82:10, 82:22,
114:11, 114:14, 144:2, 144:7, 144:13, 174:24, 175:1, 175:6, 48:7, 48:13, 48:15, 83:1, 83:16, 83:19,
114:19, 114:21, 144:17, 144:21, 175:9, 175:17, 176:3, 48:18, 48:21, 48:24, 83:22, 83:25, 84:7,
114:25, 115:4, 115:7, 144:25, 145:3, 176:8, 176:12, 49:5, 49:13, 49:22, 84:12, 84:16, 84:21,
115:15, 116:8, 145:11, 145:16, 176:19, 177:1, 177:4, 49:24, 50:3, 50:12, 84:24, 85:1, 85:6,
116:12, 116:15, 145:19, 145:25, 177:9, 177:16, 50:15, 50:18, 50:20, 85:8, 85:11, 85:23,
116:18, 117:2, 117:8, 146:2, 146:6, 146:10, 177:23, 177:25, 50:22, 51:3, 51:10, 85:25, 86:8, 86:15,
117:13, 117:15, 146:13, 146:18, 178:2, 178:4 51:12, 52:1, 52:3, 86:18, 86:21, 86:24,
117:17, 117:21, 146:20, 146:23, MS [797] - 2:6, 2:24, 52:6, 52:15, 52:25, 87:11, 87:16, 87:20,
118:4, 118:10, 147:2, 147:6, 147:9, 3:6, 3:10, 3:15, 4:7, 53:17, 53:20, 53:25, 88:2, 88:17, 88:20,
118:14, 118:16, 147:12, 147:19, 4:11, 4:18, 4:25, 5:7, 54:3, 54:6, 54:9, 89:1, 89:5, 89:9,
118:23, 119:1, 119:5, 147:24, 148:9, 5:10, 5:21, 6:3, 6:5, 54:18, 54:22, 54:25, 89:18, 90:1, 90:6,
119:13, 119:15, 148:13, 148:15, 6:9, 6:17, 6:22, 7:1, 55:4, 55:9, 55:12, 90:8, 90:14, 90:18,
119:20, 120:2, 120:6, 148:24, 149:2, 149:5, 7:13, 7:25, 8:9, 8:14, 55:14, 55:17, 55:21, 90:22, 91:1, 91:7,
120:14, 120:17, 149:11, 149:15, 8:23, 8:25, 9:2, 9:17, 55:25, 56:5, 56:8, 91:10, 91:14, 91:18,
120:20, 121:2, 121:8, 149:25, 150:5, 9:20, 9:25, 10:18, 56:11, 56:16, 56:19, 91:21, 91:24, 92:7,
121:12, 121:21, 150:20, 151:2, 151:9, 11:1, 11:17, 11:19, 56:23, 57:1, 57:6, 92:11, 92:15, 92:18,
122:4, 122:6, 122:9, 151:14, 151:17, 11:24, 12:9, 12:15, 57:12, 57:14, 57:17, 92:21, 92:25, 93:10,
122:15, 123:1, 123:5, 151:20, 151:22, 12:22, 13:8, 13:16, 57:24, 58:4, 58:10, 93:17, 94:1, 94:8,
123:8, 123:10, 151:24, 152:2, 152:9, 13:23, 14:11, 14:17, 58:13, 58:15, 58:18, 94:15, 94:18, 94:22,
123:12, 123:15, 152:16, 152:20, 15:4, 15:17, 15:19, 58:21, 59:2, 59:6, 95:1, 95:9, 95:13,
123:17, 123:22, 152:24, 153:10, 15:22, 16:3, 16:11, 59:8, 59:10, 59:13, 95:16, 95:20, 95:23,
124:2, 124:6, 124:9, 153:12, 153:22, 16:15, 16:22, 17:1, 59:18, 59:21, 59:24, 95:25, 96:13, 96:17,
124:13, 124:18, 154:4, 154:7, 154:14, 17:7, 17:12, 17:15, 60:2, 60:7, 60:13, 96:19, 96:23, 97:10,
13
97:21, 98:4, 98:14, 127:19, 128:9, 155:18, 155:21, 111:6, 121:16, 24:2, 30:16, 35:19,
98:20, 98:22, 98:25, 128:14, 128:18, 156:1, 156:4, 156:7, 135:15, 139:19, 37:17, 50:1, 57:21,
99:5, 99:9, 99:14, 128:25, 129:6, 156:11, 156:16, 153:9, 155:14, 174:9 64:12, 66:5, 71:6,
99:22, 100:1, 100:4, 129:18, 130:5, 156:23, 157:3, names [1] - 172:2 86:12, 86:22, 119:19,
100:7, 100:10, 130:11, 130:14, 157:10, 158:1, 158:5, nasty [2] - 41:19, 126:21, 166:18
100:15, 100:19, 130:16, 130:22, 158:8, 158:11, 41:20 news [1] - 171:12
100:22, 101:9, 130:25, 131:3, 131:5, 158:13, 158:16, national [1] - 94:5 next [7] - 3:11,
101:16, 101:20, 131:7, 131:12, 158:21, 158:24, nature [1] - 171:3 112:12, 118:19,
102:6, 102:10, 131:17, 131:25, 159:5, 159:7, 159:12, naught [1] - 13:14 119:12, 145:9,
102:18, 102:22, 132:9, 132:15, 159:17, 160:11, NCED [2] - 110:1, 162:18, 164:9
103:7, 103:11, 132:17, 132:21, 160:15, 160:19, 112:6 nice [4] - 9:13, 78:11,
103:15, 103:20, 132:24, 133:2, 133:8, 160:23, 161:1, 161:7, near [1] - 145:5 112:12, 167:23
103:25, 104:7, 104:9, 133:10, 133:14, 161:11, 161:23, need [66] - 2:15, niggers [1] - 72:25
104:15, 104:18, 133:16, 133:24, 162:2, 162:12, 3:22, 8:6, 9:10, 9:13, night [9] - 12:2,
104:22, 104:24, 134:3, 134:6, 134:9, 162:16, 162:23, 10:14, 13:9, 13:12, 74:20, 75:4, 92:1,
105:7, 105:11, 134:11, 134:15, 163:1, 163:4, 163:8, 18:6, 20:10, 22:2, 123:25, 124:8,
105:16, 105:19, 134:20, 134:24, 163:12, 163:16, 22:5, 23:3, 26:6, 134:19, 143:1, 177:6
106:1, 106:5, 106:12, 135:2, 135:4, 135:7, 163:23, 164:3, 30:19, 30:21, 39:23, nine [1] - 102:6
106:15, 106:18, 135:10, 135:12, 164:19, 164:24, 46:4, 47:1, 50:9, NISH [8] - 31:8,
106:23, 107:2, 107:5, 135:16, 135:19, 165:3, 165:7, 165:12, 50:17, 50:19, 50:21, 31:24, 38:2, 67:2,
107:9, 107:12, 135:21, 135:25, 165:18, 166:9, 51:2, 51:9, 51:11, 73:1, 132:13, 149:24,
107:17, 108:2, 108:8, 136:3, 136:8, 136:14, 166:14, 166:17, 53:11, 53:12, 57:20, 165:4
108:11, 108:14, 136:16, 136:19, 167:1, 167:6, 167:13, 58:1, 58:2, 58:6, 58:7, NISH's [1] - 33:21
108:16, 108:22, 136:25, 137:10, 167:22, 168:2, 168:5, 58:21, 59:16, 62:8, nitpick [1] - 53:17
109:4, 109:7, 109:10, 138:11, 138:18, 168:24, 169:2, 169:5, 64:15, 70:18, 71:20, nobody [3] - 132:13,
109:18, 109:25, 139:5, 139:7, 139:17, 169:9, 169:12, 72:11, 74:14, 81:1, 150:24, 170:16
110:4, 110:11, 139:21, 140:17, 169:14, 169:19, 83:11, 88:12, 103:4, Nobody [1] - 150:25
110:15, 110:17, 140:19, 140:23, 169:25, 170:3, 170:6, 104:7, 108:17, non [6] - 120:13,
111:12, 111:21, 141:1, 141:6, 141:9, 170:14, 170:20, 117:18, 122:19, 121:18, 122:11,
112:3, 112:10, 141:13, 141:18, 172:13, 173:1, 138:3, 138:4, 138:8, 172:10, 172:20,
112:15, 112:20, 142:3, 142:11, 173:12, 173:20, 139:14, 139:25, 172:21
113:1, 113:4, 113:8, 142:15, 143:3, 143:5, 174:3, 174:5, 174:8, 140:6, 145:2, 160:12, non-American [2] -
113:13, 113:16, 143:8, 143:12, 174:11, 174:14, 160:13, 162:3 172:10, 172:21
113:20, 114:2, 114:6, 143:16, 143:19, 174:16, 174:19, needed [2] - 111:17, non-Region [3] -
114:9, 114:12, 143:23, 144:3, 144:8, 174:22, 174:25, 141:21 120:13, 121:18,
114:15, 114:20, 144:14, 144:18, 175:2, 175:7, 175:10, needling [2] - 21:14, 122:11
114:22, 115:1, 115:5, 144:22, 145:1, 145:7, 175:18, 176:4, 176:9, 167:10 none [1] - 37:19
115:8, 115:22, 116:9, 145:12, 145:18, 176:13, 176:20, needs [11] - 19:18, nonprofit [2] -
116:13, 116:16, 145:21, 146:1, 146:3, 177:2, 177:6, 177:10, 19:21, 46:3, 57:18, 107:25, 115:18
116:19, 117:4, 117:9, 146:7, 146:11, 177:18, 177:24, 57:19, 57:20, 57:24, normally [1] - 19:7
117:14, 117:16, 146:14, 146:19, 178:1, 178:3, 178:5 59:2, 60:14, 147:22, nose [2] - 14:6,
117:18, 117:22, 146:21, 147:1, 147:4, muddy [4] - 99:12, 148:1 64:20
118:5, 118:11, 147:8, 147:11, 99:13, 99:20, 112:11 negotiate [1] - Notary [1] - 179:24
118:15, 118:18, 147:15, 147:20, Mumper [3] - 64:16, 104:12 NOTE [1] - 2:1
118:24, 119:2, 119:6, 147:25, 148:10, 127:3, 176:14 negotiating [1] - note [3] - 21:13,
119:14, 119:16, 148:14, 148:16, Murphy [11] - 60:19, 104:16 21:23, 50:25
119:21, 120:4, 120:7, 148:25, 149:3, 149:6, 60:20, 60:21, 60:23, negotiation [1] - notes [3] - 95:10,
120:15, 120:18, 149:12, 149:16, 61:6, 67:3, 68:24, 87:24 95:11, 139:2
120:21, 121:3, 121:9, 150:1, 150:6, 150:21, 68:25, 72:14, 72:18, nervous [2] - 82:23, nothing [9] - 7:22,
121:13, 121:22, 151:3, 151:10, 73:3 119:2 39:18, 50:24, 79:6,
122:5, 122:7, 122:10, 151:15, 151:18, must [2] - 94:6 never [20] - 5:23, 111:19, 113:13,
122:16, 123:2, 123:6, 151:21, 151:23, mutual [1] - 92:5 5:24, 46:24, 87:20, 120:19, 120:21,
123:9, 123:11, 151:25, 152:3, MY [1] - 179:19 89:15, 94:7, 104:12, 150:20
123:13, 123:16, 152:10, 152:17,
111:6, 111:8, 111:10, notice [2] - 76:18,
123:20, 123:23, 152:21, 152:25,
N 113:8, 123:7, 146:5, 152:23
124:3, 124:7, 124:10, 153:11, 153:13,
146:7, 146:12, 152:6, notified [1] - 171:12
124:14, 124:19, 153:23, 154:5, 154:8, naive [1] - 39:7
163:9, 163:23, 167:2, notion [1] - 102:13
124:25, 125:6, 154:15, 154:17, name [17] - 38:9,
167:7 November [1] -
125:11, 125:13, 154:20, 154:25, 38:15, 39:11, 40:6,
New [1] - 85:3 118:9
126:2, 126:7, 126:12, 155:3, 155:6, 155:10, 40:7, 45:13, 60:24,
new [16] - 5:22, 5:24, nowhere [1] - 29:14
126:18, 127:1, 155:13, 155:16, 61:12, 67:15, 70:22,
14
nth [1] - 74:13 one [134] - 3:19, 7:1, opportunity [12] - 27:23 88:5, 89:14, 109:21,
Numb [1] - 3:7 11:13, 15:8, 15:11, 23:23, 31:8, 32:6, pale [1] - 25:15 110:22, 113:14,
number [9] - 7:3, 16:6, 18:20, 22:17, 65:11, 75:19, 75:24, Pam [8] - 19:18, 114:18, 118:21,
15:17, 25:11, 61:25, 25:12, 25:14, 27:3, 76:7, 84:4, 87:1, 50:6, 53:7, 57:6, 127:16, 130:11,
69:4, 70:5, 70:6, 30:1, 32:21, 33:12, 105:17, 112:7, 112:13 105:4, 105:7, 166:18, 130:23, 131:20,
142:25, 161:17 33:13, 33:15, 33:20, opposed [1] - 139:9 166:21 132:12, 135:5,
numbers [5] - 15:5, 33:25, 34:3, 35:22, opposite [2] - pants [1] - 104:19 137:24, 144:6,
15:13, 16:7, 16:8, 36:2, 36:8, 36:11, 153:16, 159:21 paper [2] - 97:19, 152:18, 160:13,
68:25 36:13, 37:22, 37:23, Ops [3] - 109:23, 133:19 162:13, 164:20,
Nurenberg [1] - 40:20, 42:25, 43:2, 109:24, 109:25 paranoid [2] - 71:10, 165:4, 165:21,
70:13 45:3, 45:7, 48:13, optical [1] - 152:8 128:25 165:23, 175:2
Nuts [1] - 3:7 50:22, 52:10, 52:17, Options [4] - 110:1, park [1] - 49:2 people's [1] - 86:16
55:7, 56:3, 56:4, 56:7, 111:9, 112:6, 112:16 parks [1] - 164:9 per [1] - 46:9
O 57:14, 59:3, 59:4, orchestrate [1] - part [29] - 3:21, 6:7, percent [5] - 31:9,
59:6, 60:16, 60:17, 3:22 6:23, 7:22, 9:18, 31:10, 74:13, 122:13,
o'clock [2] - 19:24, 62:7, 62:24, 64:12, orchestrated [3] - 11:25, 12:2, 30:1, 150:19
75:15 65:14, 66:17, 67:2, 6:17, 9:18, 20:17 30:2, 39:2, 39:5, perception [1] -
oath [1] - 145:15 67:4, 68:3, 68:8, 68:9, order [3] - 13:18, 53:20, 56:1, 68:7, 14:23
objective [1] - 18:21 69:4, 69:7, 70:7, 71:1, 102:3, 154:25 78:25, 84:13, 86:10, perfect [12] - 19:6,
obvious [3] - 14:25, 72:18, 72:21, 73:19, organization [11] - 90:3, 92:20, 96:2, 19:13, 50:14, 52:7,
15:1, 58:5 74:13, 75:20, 76:6, 11:16, 11:22, 28:25, 101:11, 102:2, 54:1, 56:12, 60:4,
obviously [4] - 77:8, 78:12, 78:25, 30:12, 31:6, 31:7, 109:15, 134:12, 67:1, 122:2, 158:9
136:22, 142:4, 80:3, 80:17, 86:4, 31:20, 64:5, 138:2, 136:19, 172:20, performance [2] -
158:17, 175:15 86:24, 89:19, 89:21, 171:13, 174:2 173:18 52:18, 97:17
occasion [1] - 94:5 90:3, 91:19, 93:1, original [4] - 56:14, participants [2] - perfume [1] - 47:20
occur [1] - 171:5 95:18, 95:19, 95:23, 59:16, 59:19 77:8, 77:9 period [1] - 132:6
occurred [4] - 107:5, 107:9, 108:3, originally [1] - 100:2 parties [2] - 179:13, perjure [4] - 136:6,
163:17, 166:17, 108:9, 110:1, 110:7, ornery [1] - 30:1 179:14 136:7, 136:9, 136:23
167:19, 171:8 110:20, 110:25, otherwise [3] - parts [2] - 172:10, permitted [1] - 172:1
October [1] - 63:23 111:3, 111:6, 111:14, 13:10, 88:7, 171:22 172:21 person [18] - 17:9,
OF [3] - 179:1, 179:2, 113:21, 114:16, party [2] - 174:20, 52:10, 77:20, 78:11,
ought [7] - 7:5,
179:3 115:2, 115:24, 179:14 80:2, 80:3, 80:16,
29:24, 63:19, 64:6,
offense [1] - 91:10 116:16, 119:16, pass [4] - 38:2, 80:17, 89:21, 104:16,
76:6, 106:2, 177:20
Office [1] - 172:6 119:22, 129:10, 39:22, 91:15, 157:23 121:25, 131:22,
outage [1] - 124:12
office [13] - 20:10, 131:8, 131:22, 134:5, pass-through [1] - 143:6, 154:1, 154:2,
outages [1] - 124:5
20:12, 44:5, 123:21, 134:17, 144:15, 38:2 159:2, 166:18, 170:24
outbox [1] - 133:20
135:5, 139:5, 139:17, 144:16, 146:8, personal [3] - 8:2,
outcome [1] - 179:15 patch [1] - 75:14
140:1, 140:12, 153:14, 153:15, 120:21, 171:19
outside [6] - 28:22, pattern [1] - 112:15
140:20, 141:24, 156:20, 157:6, personally [1] -
51:14, 82:11, 171:16, Paul [9] - 6:22, 95:6,
142:23, 160:20 157:10, 161:3, 11:21
174:20, 176:22 134:24, 137:20,
officer [2] - 171:1, 161:17, 162:2, 163:3, persons [1] - 171:23
overdue [1] - 52:25 138:20, 139:12,
163:5, 163:23,
173:15 oversight [1] - 172:7 140:15, 142:7, 151:18 Peter [1] - 8:16
165:12, 165:13,
often [1] - 129:25 overtime [2] - 2:9, pause [1] - 79:21 phase [1] - 36:21
165:23, 168:25,
OIG [12] - 3:23, 6:12, 117:1 pay [4] - 38:3, 90:22, phase-in [1] - 36:21
170:6, 170:8, 171:16,
62:17, 63:7, 83:12, OVI [2] - 135:23, 117:3, 132:22 phased [2] - 35:10,
175:12, 175:14,
86:25, 97:17, 118:12, 153:20 paying [1] - 37:22 42:19
176:18
145:14, 146:22, owe [3] - 57:15, pension [3] - 98:10, phasing [1] - 42:12
one-on-one [4] -
148:11, 148:12 125:9, 156:23 98:15, 170:1 philanthropy [1] -
146:8, 161:3, 162:2,
ol' [2] - 38:3, 132:3 owned [3] - 33:4, people [59] - 5:22, 19:1
163:23
old [4] - 28:15, 89:2, 40:5, 40:12 5:23, 6:5, 8:21, 11:1, phone [20] - 21:25,
ones [5] - 45:4, 45:7,
91:2, 169:6 11:7, 15:13, 16:16, 68:22, 68:24, 75:3,
48:7, 96:16, 110:20
older [1] - 95:20 75:5, 75:8, 77:22,
open [4] - 4:1, 37:5, P 17:19, 23:10, 24:11,
Olynyk [2] - 1:24, 25:22, 30:5, 30:20, 82:8, 82:16, 105:5,
129:1, 129:3
179:24 pack [1] - 8:1 37:3, 37:9, 42:4, 45:9, 107:20, 121:15,
opening [1] - 164:15
omen [1] - 21:6 Pages [3] - 1:9, 1:10, 46:24, 48:10, 49:17, 123:15, 123:24,
operate [1] - 158:17
once [10] - 43:11, 1:11 56:17, 58:8, 58:24, 124:1, 124:4, 124:8,
operation [1] - 172:8
74:12, 103:21, 123:2, paid [3] - 7:8, 60:16, 70:12, 71:1, 133:4, 162:5, 166:21
opportunities [5] -
128:21, 129:24, 112:22, 171:20 72:16, 74:5, 81:17, physical [1] - 171:7
7:3, 14:2, 15:7, 15:14,
133:5, 157:21, pain [1] - 30:8 81:19, 81:23, 85:8, physically [2] -
111:23
160:13, 160:19 paint [2] - 12:3, 86:1, 86:2, 86:21, 87:13, 87:17
15
physician's [1] - 30:6 112:5, 117:20 143:21, 171:21, 52:11, 61:2, 64:23,
50:25 plus [1] - 119:6 pretty [23] - 4:15, 172:8, 172:15, 69:14, 71:2, 71:4,
pick [3] - 8:3, 56:21, point [21] - 6:15, 5:21, 20:21, 20:23, 172:16, 175:4, 175:20 72:3, 72:8, 76:18,
84:10 19:2, 33:4, 40:20, 28:6, 50:6, 55:25, programs [1] - 172:9 93:4, 98:5, 117:4,
picked [4] - 78:15, 45:8, 82:12, 82:17, 65:6, 71:13, 85:23, project [6] - 15:23, 130:23, 131:19,
87:20, 89:12, 153:20 116:18, 138:21, 88:9, 98:7, 98:25, 34:22, 34:23, 36:12, 132:21, 133:20,
picking [1] - 79:17 142:3, 143:8, 143:13, 105:12, 105:13, 37:5, 66:3 137:2, 142:4, 142:5,
pickle [1] - 144:18 144:16, 151:6, 152:4, 113:11, 119:2, projects [4] - 16:8, 145:13, 145:14,
picture [1] - 12:3 153:7, 153:15, 119:23, 128:5, 128:6, 18:11, 30:16, 65:18 148:22, 168:13,
piece [3] - 64:14, 160:23, 162:9, 162:20 143:13, 163:24 prominent [1] - 73:1 168:14
96:3, 133:19 pointed [1] - 119:17 price [1] - 87:24 promise [1] - 144:19 puts [2] - 8:11, 22:16
pieces [1] - 86:13 pointedly [1] - 97:12 PRIDE [5] - 44:25, promised [3] - 6:13, putting [2] - 25:18,
pike [1] - 126:13 points [1] - 158:3 73:11, 112:6, 130:5, 63:21, 96:6 100:4
pile [2] - 129:23, poor [3] - 48:20, 131:13 proof [1] - 104:1
132:18 82:25, 117:8 prime [1] - 33:21 propeller [1] - 13:21 Q
pilot [2] - 34:22, portion [1] - 37:11 principle [1] - 27:7 proper [2] - 5:15,
Portland [6] - 60:17, private [2] - 5:25, 12:6 qualified [1] - 111:2
34:23
pissed [2] - 176:9, 60:21, 61:7, 61:10, 111:7 properly [1] - 37:24 quarrel [2] - 101:25,
176:10 61:11, 69:3 pro [1] - 92:25 protect [5] - 11:22, 159:14
place [3] - 45:24, position [4] - 8:11, probation [2] - 142:21, 152:14, quarter [1] - 75:8
117:23, 164:20 34:18, 66:10, 119:8 168:13, 168:15 161:24, 169:19 questionable [1] -
placing [1] - 107:12 possibility [1] - 50:8 problem [19] - 9:4, protecting [1] - 109:13
plan [8] - 20:18, possible [1] - 73:23 12:4, 12:23, 14:15, 11:15 questioned [2] -
34:9, 36:21, 86:19, postage [1] - 132:22 32:16, 39:2, 43:1, protection [2] - 145:14, 148:6
97:19, 167:20, 170:1, posted [3] - 78:21, 52:6, 69:12, 70:8, 147:23, 148:1 questions [10] -
177:14 87:17, 117:5 123:22, 124:2, prove [4] - 152:4, 30:9, 41:7, 43:5, 73:6,
plane [3] - 49:20, potentially [1] - 124:13, 170:13, 153:7, 153:18, 153:25 110:19, 115:25,
54:13, 73:22 106:8 171:2, 171:9 proved [1] - 158:21 117:25, 119:19,
pound [3] - 7:6, problematic [1] - provide [2] - 171:7, 119:21, 157:10
planned [2] - 8:18,
157:1, 157:3 112:24 172:7 quick [4] - 19:16,
8:19
power [4] - 20:4, problems [1] - provided [2] - 2:1, 72:8, 114:17, 167:16
planning [5] - 9:17,
31:2, 124:5, 124:12 122:18 55:7 quicker [1] - 116:1
10:2, 21:15, 29:21,
49:25 practice [2] - 26:7, process [7] - 30:25, Public [1] - 179:24 quickly [3] - 102:19,
plans [5] - 45:22, 36:15 58:25, 63:3, 65:4, public [3] - 7:5, 106:12, 173:5
46:15, 47:19, 98:10, praised [1] - 64:5 82:11, 117:20, 122:17 164:19, 172:5 quid [1] - 92:25
98:15 prayer [1] - 94:11 procurement [4] - publicly [6] - 8:4, quiet [2] - 93:25,
plate [1] - 87:23 preach [1] - 36:16 15:14, 16:4, 16:12, 13:8, 14:9, 24:11, 173:24
platonic [1] - 108:12 predetermined [1] - 16:17 73:20, 165:20 quite [11] - 2:21,
Plattner [4] - 95:6, 135:23 produce [2] - 14:13, Puerto [2] - 123:18, 10:8, 12:9, 26:12,
134:24, 137:21, predict [1] - 168:5 17:15 134:5 30:8, 61:18, 90:20,
produced [2] - 14:1, pull [3] - 121:20, 138:24, 141:22,
151:19 pregnant [1] - 79:20
17:18 122:13, 167:14 144:5, 153:4
play [6] - 37:2, 37:6, preliminary [3] -
productively [1] - pulled [1] - 170:14 quo [1] - 92:25
39:15, 98:23, 166:4, 127:24, 144:9, 173:22
166:7 93:6 quoting [1] - 33:3
prepare [3] - 58:8, pulling [1] - 104:19
played [2] - 24:14, 97:14, 139:10 products [4] - 68:1, pummel [1] - 23:16
24:15 prepping [1] - 68:2, 172:11, 172:22 Purdy [1] - 38:16 R
player [1] - 96:7 150:16 professional [2] - pure [2] - 56:4, 56:7
12:25, 26:3 race [3] - 24:15,
playing [6] - 15:8, presence [1] - purely [1] - 79:11
professionally [1] - 24:24
15:12, 39:21, 100:11, 106:10 purpose [2] - 171:17,
12:24 radar [4] - 26:15,
103:21, 137:13 presentation [1] - 176:2
professorial [1] - 45:12, 86:16, 112:18
pleaded [1] - 101:8 110:24 push [2] - 14:20,
73:15 railroad [1] - 141:15
plot [11] - 20:18, presentations [1] - 16:23
profit [2] - 37:8, rainbow [1] - 30:20
28:2, 43:12, 43:20, 113:10 pushed [1] - 137:22
110:11 raise [1] - 105:20
49:17, 85:3, 88:5, president's [1] - 25:7 pushing [3] - 35:13,
program [21] - 6:7, ran [3] - 18:7, 70:17,
90:4, 94:15, 105:17, press [4] - 27:15, 42:19, 43:5
28:24, 37:2, 37:6, 130:2
123:4 146:14, 147:20, put [39] - 4:20, 10:3,
37:9, 38:18, 39:14, Ransom [4] - 92:5,
plots [3] - 45:22, 149:19 13:2, 20:11, 33:7,
51:16, 89:13, 107:13, 102:11, 102:23,
47:19, 109:16 pressed [1] - 146:12 37:4, 37:5, 39:19,
110:19, 121:20, 134:19
plotted [1] - 91:19 pressure [1] - 105:20 45:10, 47:20, 48:2,
122:14, 137:17, rapport [1] - 63:21
plotting [2] - 21:15, pretend [3] - 111:18, 48:18, 49:3, 49:13,
16
rather [2] - 25:16, 129:22 relax [1] - 54:14 90:11, 108:23 9:2, 9:17, 9:20, 9:25,
47:18 recollected [1] - relentless [1] - 30:5 Resources [10] - 10:18, 11:1, 11:17,
re [1] - 85:6 141:23 relevant [2] - 62:16, 80:3, 80:12, 80:17, 11:19, 11:24, 12:9,
reach [1] - 65:9 recommend [1] - 63:24 82:1, 89:24, 90:9, 12:15, 12:22, 13:8,
reached [1] - 80:18 15:23 religion [1] - 79:18 107:15, 107:23, 13:16, 13:23, 14:11,
reaction [3] - 104:25, recommendation [2] remain [1] - 13:22 107:24, 108:16 14:17, 15:4, 15:17,
151:5, 176:25 - 16:5, 42:7 remember [24] - respond [1] - 102:3 15:19, 15:22, 16:3,
read [3] - 85:17, recommended [1] - 11:13, 46:8, 53:21, responded [1] - 16:11, 16:15, 16:22,
104:4, 170:8 63:6 60:23, 64:1, 95:3, 81:19 17:1, 17:7, 17:12,
real [10] - 39:13, record [18] - 9:4, 96:1, 96:2, 96:24, response [3] - 17:15, 17:18, 17:22,
46:23, 55:21, 106:7, 9:12, 9:13, 13:5, 96:25, 124:4, 134:17, 123:17, 127:2, 177:11 18:3, 18:6, 18:17,
106:9, 112:21, 24:23, 47:9, 52:23, 134:21, 136:17, responsibility [1] - 18:20, 18:23, 19:2,
131:13, 133:10, 79:24, 104:10, 139:18, 141:20, 27:12 19:9, 19:21, 20:15,
139:25, 167:6 105:24, 116:23, 143:16, 148:17, rest [10] - 6:13, 21:12, 21:17, 21:19,
realize [5] - 30:20, 120:23, 152:14, 150:16, 150:25, 10:13, 58:25, 59:4, 22:14, 22:23, 23:5,
109:10, 114:15, 155:11, 167:23, 161:7, 163:8 73:22, 74:4, 74:15, 23:8, 23:12, 23:18,
114:16, 166:20 168:3, 168:20, 177:8 Remember [1] - 90:15, 157:5, 165:25 23:22, 24:1, 24:4,
realized [6] - 25:14, recordings [2] - 2:1, 123:18 restaurant [1] - 3:24 24:7, 24:18, 25:3,
39:1, 40:20, 111:16, 179:6 remembered [1] - resurfaced [1] - 25:6, 25:11, 25:24,
161:14, 162:8 records [1] - 12:12 150:25 63:15 26:10, 26:14, 26:20,
really [55] - 3:4, 11:9, Red [1] - 63:23 remembering [1] - rethink [1] - 123:11 26:23, 27:1, 27:5,
12:16, 12:22, 13:24, redirecting [1] - 120:5 rethinking [1] - 27:11, 27:14, 27:17,
18:10, 19:15, 23:9, 142:9 renew [1] - 42:10 123:9 27:21, 28:4, 28:9,
24:8, 24:9, 24:12, redo [3] - 114:23, replaced [1] - 42:20 reticence [1] - 28:15, 28:18, 29:5,
28:18, 30:14, 37:12, 121:5, 151:11 report [12] - 7:14, 173:16 29:18, 29:21, 29:23,
40:16, 40:25, 41:18, reference [1] - 7:20, 7:21, 8:4, 24:22, retire [2] - 29:13, 30:23, 31:4, 31:12,
45:17, 47:22, 49:21, 155:23 25:7, 55:6, 62:14, 29:15 31:14, 31:17, 31:22,
50:19, 51:11, 52:15, referred [1] - 62:25 64:4, 127:22, 172:5, retirement [2] - 34:6, 32:5, 32:10, 32:13,
54:14, 64:19, 65:21, refuse [1] - 162:4 173:17 46:15 32:18, 32:24, 33:8,
69:14, 71:7, 72:3, REPORTER [1] - 33:12, 33:18, 33:20,
regained [1] - 22:8 retort [1] - 167:23
83:22, 93:16, 96:1, 179:1 34:8, 34:17, 35:9,
regarding [1] - revenue [1] - 31:20
101:10, 102:12, 35:13, 35:22, 36:1,
126:23 reports [1] - 176:15 reversed [1] - 101:23
103:11, 106:8, 36:11, 36:15, 36:18,
regardless [1] - repost [9] - 76:6, review [4] - 52:18,
111:18, 112:12, 37:8, 38:9, 38:23,
13:17 78:12, 82:5, 82:7, 97:17, 167:23, 177:8
116:25, 117:12, 39:1, 39:7, 39:19,
region [3] - 108:24, 83:7, 85:11, 85:14, Rhett [1] - 168:7
120:10, 132:11, 40:3, 40:9, 40:12,
164:20, 165:10 88:24, 89:10 Rhonda [2] - 1:24,
132:12, 140:5, 149:9, 40:15, 41:6, 41:15,
Region [8] - 78:22, reposted [1] - 84:3 179:24
160:4, 160:23, 163:9, 42:2, 42:10, 42:12,
80:25, 84:9, 84:19, reposting [3] - 82:5, Rick [5] - 3:3, 3:12,
177:13, 177:20 42:16, 42:18, 42:25,
107:10, 120:13, 87:2, 87:8 6:18, 11:6, 173:4
reason [13] - 37:14, 43:10, 43:19, 43:24,
121:18, 122:11 representing [1] - Rico [2] - 123:18,
37:24, 65:17, 84:3, 44:2, 44:7, 44:15,
registration [3] - 27:5 134:5
87:6, 102:1, 103:25, 44:19, 44:22, 45:2,
164:10, 164:23 reproach [1] - rid [2] - 10:15, 94:16
111:14, 114:12, 45:7, 45:14, 45:16,
regular [2] - 168:14, 158:11 ridiculous [1] -
124:3, 129:12, 45:20, 46:2, 46:11,
171:12 reputation [1] - 138:14
166:14, 173:16 46:18, 46:22, 47:3,
Rehabilitation [3] - 12:25 riding [2] - 40:17,
reasons [2] - 171:19, 47:9, 47:12, 47:15,
61:7, 61:11, 69:4 request [2] - 57:18, 40:19
172:3 47:18, 47:22, 47:25,
rehabilitation [1] - 57:19 rights [1] - 169:19
rebundle [1] - 79:4 48:5, 48:7, 48:13,
172:9 requests [1] - 79:15 risk [1] - 81:11 48:15, 48:18, 48:21,
recant [5] - 92:21, reject [2] - 84:20, required [1] - 85:20 Roberts [3] - 139:19, 48:24, 49:5, 49:13,
141:2, 144:19, 154:8, 84:24 requirements [1] - 139:20, 153:9 49:22, 49:24, 50:3,
154:11 relabel [1] - 55:8 120:9 robinson [1] - 97:7 50:12, 50:15, 50:18,
recanted [4] - 96:4, related [3] - 63:25, rerun [1] - 88:22 Robinson [3] - 2:2, 50:20, 50:22, 51:3,
135:19, 136:13, 179:12, 179:15 rescinded [1] - 63:13 9:14, 104:8 51:10, 51:12, 52:1,
144:16 relates [2] - 52:8, research [1] - 170:11 ROBINSON [797] - 52:3, 52:6, 52:15,
recanting [3] - 66:21 resign [1] - 72:14 2:6, 2:24, 3:6, 3:10, 52:25, 53:17, 53:20,
140:10, 142:11, 156:5 relationship [3] - resignation [3] - 3:15, 4:7, 4:11, 4:18, 53:25, 54:3, 54:6,
recants [1] - 154:5 35:16, 108:1, 108:9 44:8, 62:4, 72:12 4:25, 5:7, 5:10, 5:21, 54:9, 54:18, 54:22,
receipt [1] - 53:14 relationships [1] - resigned [1] - 61:25 6:3, 6:5, 6:9, 6:17, 54:25, 55:4, 55:9,
receive [4] - 129:14, 48:9 resigning [1] - 44:9 6:22, 7:1, 7:13, 7:25, 55:12, 55:14, 55:17,
129:16, 129:20, relative [1] - 179:13 Resource [2] - 8:9, 8:14, 8:23, 8:25, 55:21, 55:25, 56:5,
17
56:8, 56:11, 56:16, 91:18, 91:21, 91:24, 123:9, 123:11, 151:25, 152:3, 162:13, 162:18
56:19, 56:23, 57:1, 92:7, 92:11, 92:15, 123:13, 123:16, 152:10, 152:17, rough [1] - 6:19
57:6, 57:12, 57:14, 92:18, 92:21, 92:25, 123:20, 123:23, 152:21, 152:25, round [1] - 3:18
57:17, 57:24, 58:4, 93:10, 93:17, 94:1, 124:3, 124:7, 124:10, 153:11, 153:13, royally [1] - 47:2
58:10, 58:13, 58:15, 94:8, 94:15, 94:18, 124:14, 124:19, 153:23, 154:5, 154:8, Ruben [20] - 2:2, 4:7,
58:18, 58:21, 59:2, 94:22, 95:1, 95:9, 124:25, 125:6, 154:15, 154:17, 21:2, 31:6, 36:23,
59:6, 59:8, 59:10, 95:13, 95:16, 95:20, 125:11, 125:13, 154:20, 154:25, 49:18, 74:22, 78:2,
59:13, 59:18, 59:21, 95:23, 95:25, 96:13, 126:2, 126:7, 126:12, 155:3, 155:6, 155:10, 95:25, 107:20,
59:24, 60:2, 60:7, 96:17, 96:19, 96:23, 126:18, 127:1, 155:13, 155:16, 136:25, 152:5,
60:13, 60:19, 60:22, 97:10, 97:21, 98:4, 127:19, 128:9, 155:18, 155:21, 154:21, 155:22,
61:2, 61:6, 61:9, 98:14, 98:20, 98:22, 128:14, 128:18, 156:1, 156:4, 156:7, 157:11, 157:14,
61:11, 61:14, 61:21, 98:25, 99:5, 99:9, 128:25, 129:6, 156:11, 156:16, 157:18, 157:22,
61:24, 62:3, 62:6, 99:14, 99:22, 100:1, 129:18, 130:5, 156:23, 157:3, 162:4, 164:14
62:11, 62:20, 62:22, 100:4, 100:7, 100:10, 130:11, 130:14, 157:10, 158:1, 158:5, Ruben's [2] - 124:23,
63:2, 63:5, 63:9, 100:15, 100:19, 130:16, 130:22, 158:8, 158:11, 141:7
63:18, 64:3, 64:9, 100:22, 101:9, 130:25, 131:3, 131:5, 158:13, 158:16, Rucker [1] - 48:3
64:19, 65:1, 65:6, 101:16, 101:20, 131:7, 131:12, 158:21, 158:24, ruled [2] - 22:9,
65:13, 65:21, 66:1, 102:6, 102:10, 131:17, 131:25, 159:5, 159:7, 159:12, 22:10
66:5, 66:8, 66:12, 102:18, 102:22, 132:9, 132:15, 159:17, 160:11, rules [4] - 38:17,
66:17, 66:24, 67:3, 103:7, 103:11, 132:17, 132:21, 160:15, 160:19, 131:20, 132:3, 132:4
67:8, 67:11, 67:17, 103:15, 103:20, 132:24, 133:2, 133:8, 160:23, 161:1, 161:7, run [14] - 15:6,
67:21, 67:23, 68:1, 103:25, 104:7, 104:9, 133:10, 133:14, 161:11, 161:23, 15:19, 16:4, 16:15,
68:3, 68:6, 68:11, 104:15, 104:18, 133:16, 133:24, 162:2, 162:12, 16:18, 16:22, 46:24,
68:15, 68:17, 68:21, 104:22, 104:24, 134:3, 134:6, 134:9, 162:16, 162:23, 51:16, 60:16, 73:1,
69:3, 69:7, 69:10, 105:7, 105:11, 134:11, 134:15, 163:1, 163:4, 163:8, 107:3, 131:22, 132:2,
69:13, 69:20, 69:25, 105:16, 105:19, 134:20, 134:24, 163:12, 163:16, 165:21
70:2, 70:4, 70:9, 106:1, 106:5, 106:12, 135:2, 135:4, 135:7, 163:23, 164:3, run-off [2] - 131:22,
70:11, 70:15, 70:21, 106:15, 106:18, 135:10, 135:12, 164:19, 164:24, 132:2
70:24, 71:6, 71:12, 106:23, 107:2, 107:5, 135:16, 135:19, 165:3, 165:7, 165:12, running [9] - 17:4,
71:15, 71:19, 72:1, 107:9, 107:12, 135:21, 135:25, 165:18, 166:9, 23:15, 26:15, 45:11,
72:7, 72:10, 72:18, 107:17, 108:2, 108:8, 136:3, 136:8, 136:14, 166:14, 166:17, 46:19, 46:22, 53:15,
72:23, 73:3, 73:14, 108:11, 108:14, 136:16, 136:19, 167:1, 167:6, 167:13, 112:21, 129:19
73:18, 73:24, 74:3, 108:16, 108:22, 136:25, 137:10, 167:22, 168:2, 168:5, ruse [1] - 159:8
74:7, 74:10, 74:16, 109:4, 109:7, 109:10, 138:11, 138:18, 168:24, 169:2, 169:5, rushed [1] - 22:1
74:19, 74:21, 74:25, 109:18, 109:25, 139:5, 139:7, 139:17, 169:9, 169:12,
rushing [1] - 21:9
75:2, 75:11, 75:14, 110:4, 110:11, 139:21, 140:17, 169:14, 169:19,
75:19, 75:22, 76:2, 110:15, 110:17, 140:19, 140:23, 169:25, 170:3, 170:6,
76:5, 76:10, 76:13, 111:12, 111:21, 141:1, 141:6, 141:9, 170:14, 170:20,
S
76:15, 76:20, 77:1, 112:3, 112:10, 141:13, 141:18, 172:13, 173:1, sake [1] - 81:6
77:6, 77:11, 77:22, 112:15, 112:20, 142:3, 142:11, 173:12, 173:20, Sally [23] - 75:11,
78:5, 78:10, 78:17, 113:1, 113:4, 113:8, 142:15, 143:3, 143:5, 174:3, 174:5, 174:8, 77:18, 78:10, 79:21,
78:20, 78:24, 79:3, 113:13, 113:16, 143:8, 143:12, 174:11, 174:14, 83:3, 83:25, 85:2,
79:6, 79:10, 79:14, 113:20, 114:2, 114:6, 143:16, 143:19, 174:16, 174:19, 86:4, 87:8, 88:17,
80:2, 80:7, 80:10, 114:9, 114:12, 143:23, 144:3, 144:8, 174:22, 174:25, 108:1, 108:10, 116:3,
80:14, 80:23, 81:3, 114:15, 114:20, 144:14, 144:18, 175:2, 175:7, 175:10, 116:20, 119:23,
81:10, 81:14, 81:17, 114:22, 115:1, 115:5, 144:22, 145:1, 145:7, 175:18, 176:4, 176:9, 120:10, 120:24,
81:25, 82:4, 82:10, 115:8, 115:22, 116:9, 145:12, 145:18, 176:13, 176:20, 120:25, 121:9,
82:22, 83:1, 83:16, 116:13, 116:16, 145:21, 146:1, 146:3, 177:2, 177:6, 177:10, 121:10, 121:25
83:19, 83:22, 83:25, 116:19, 117:4, 117:9, 146:7, 146:11, 177:18, 177:24, Sally's [1] - 122:1
84:7, 84:12, 84:16, 117:14, 117:16, 146:14, 146:19, 178:1, 178:3, 178:5 Samuelson [1] - 38:6
84:21, 84:24, 85:1, 117:18, 117:22, 146:21, 147:1, 147:4, rock [1] - 117:23 sand [1] - 157:3
85:6, 85:8, 85:11, 118:5, 118:11, 147:8, 147:11, role [1] - 73:1 sandwich [1] - 19:23
85:23, 85:25, 86:8, 118:15, 118:18, 147:15, 147:20, roll [2] - 98:24, sanitize [2] - 44:9,
86:15, 86:18, 86:21, 118:24, 119:2, 119:6, 147:25, 148:10, 121:25 44:10
86:24, 87:11, 87:16, 119:14, 119:16, 148:14, 148:16, rolls [1] - 170:21 sat [6] - 91:18, 111:6,
87:20, 88:2, 88:17, 119:21, 120:4, 120:7, 148:25, 149:3, 149:6, Ron [1] - 108:17 113:9, 118:11, 146:4,
88:20, 89:1, 89:5, 120:15, 120:18, 149:12, 149:16, room [11] - 7:18, 146:7
89:9, 89:18, 90:1, 120:21, 121:3, 121:9, 150:1, 150:6, 150:21, 64:13, 67:19, 94:2, saw [2] - 43:15,
90:6, 90:8, 90:14, 121:13, 121:22, 151:3, 151:10, 94:4, 128:21, 147:16, 124:10
90:18, 90:22, 91:1, 122:5, 122:7, 122:10, 151:15, 151:18, 147:17, 150:22, scapegoat [1] -
91:7, 91:10, 91:14, 122:16, 123:2, 123:6, 151:21, 151:23,
18
12:18 78:23, 79:2, 85:18, serve [2] - 37:9, sights [1] - 99:17 somewhat [1] -
scared [2] - 111:15, 87:20, 90:5, 92:9, 61:17 sign [5] - 43:24, 153:6
118:22 94:19, 97:22, 101:18, ServiceSource [4] - 46:7, 117:9, 123:3, somewhere [7] -
schedule [1] - 19:9 106:5, 108:15, 108:6, 108:7, 108:8, 132:25 24:14, 68:21, 95:11,
scheduled [3] - 114:23, 114:24, 129:9 signal [1] - 8:20 95:14, 112:7, 169:16,
97:15, 118:19, 126:8 126:7, 126:18, ServiceSource's [1] signed [2] - 10:18, 177:11
scheme [3] - 2:7, 127:25, 128:11, - 38:6 38:19 soon [7] - 20:9,
28:1, 39:5 130:19, 139:22, session [5] - 9:6, sit [3] - 33:14, 79:25, 29:16, 51:21, 73:22,
schemes [1] - 47:19 140:16, 140:25, 10:14, 48:19, 49:3, 129:6 74:8, 81:20, 178:2
schizophrenic [2] - 145:4, 145:22, 49:10 site [2] - 87:25, sordid [2] - 152:5,
24:4, 166:19 148:10, 151:12, set [13] - 7:20, 38:3, 106:20 152:7
school [2] - 74:1, 158:20, 159:11, 100:13, 100:16, sitting [5] - 3:13, sorry [5] - 20:17,
119:12 162:15, 163:15, 101:10, 115:2, 115:3, 3:24, 3:25, 63:19, 88:7, 99:4, 113:25,
Scorsine [1] - 40:8 164:20, 165:2, 165:6, 152:7, 152:12, 141:24 129:23
SCOTT [1] - 179:3 165:8, 166:20, 167:8, 166:10, 166:11, situation [7] - 81:22, sort [8] - 5:25, 22:14,
Scott [27] - 6:12, 169:1, 169:11, 167:24, 168:19 102:11, 102:24, 26:15, 47:25, 142:19,
14:13, 15:8, 16:23, 170:23, 173:1, 174:7, setting [3] - 41:21, 134:5, 134:19, 154:3, 150:8, 161:3, 169:2
17:22, 55:23, 57:8, 174:13, 174:15, 78:17, 114:15 158:19 soul [1] - 6:24
57:15, 58:22, 60:5, 174:21, 174:24, settle [1] - 152:6 six [8] - 62:18, 62:23, sound [1] - 38:7
60:9, 63:20, 63:21, 175:6, 175:9, 176:1, settlement [2] - 63:25, 64:3, 84:4, sounded [1] - 121:16
65:8, 66:18, 70:13, 177:12, 177:22 152:23, 159:3 88:13, 91:22, 113:24 sounds [2] - 88:8
117:25, 118:9, 126:5, seem [3] - 45:4, setup [1] - 102:2 six-minute [2] - SourceAmerica [14]
149:18, 151:7, 175:7, 109:15, 137:8 seven [2] - 86:5, 63:25, 64:3 - 31:9, 31:25, 44:13,
175:10, 176:5, sees [1] - 118:24 114:17 six-month [1] - 88:13 51:5, 83:13, 98:19,
176:24, 179:24 segue [1] - 103:8 several [1] - 97:12 size [2] - 30:18, 101:16, 105:9,
Scott's [1] - 60:11 select [2] - 15:23, shaken [1] - 137:18 36:12 132:15, 145:5,
screamed [1] - 31:18 sham [4] - 39:14, slack [1] - 82:5 150:10, 152:13,
122:23 selected [2] - 79:22, 62:25, 63:3, 65:4 slammed [1] - 37:12 165:23, 175:19
screaming [1] - 84:18 Shaman [1] - 70:5 slaps [1] - 11:11 sourced [1] - 172:15
122:24 selectee [1] - 120:13 share [1] - 39:16 sleep [2] - 12:2, 55:6 southern [2] - 109:9,
screen [1] - 5:5 selecting [1] - 36:19 sharing [1] - 30:24 sleeping [1] - 63:15 109:23
screens [1] - 86:16 self [4] - 52:18, sheriff [1] - 66:6 slept [1] - 156:12 soy [1] - 20:6
screw [4] - 43:11, 167:23, 169:19, 177:8 shift [1] - 6:15 sliced [1] - 25:1 speakers [1] - 179:8
47:13, 83:17, 155:16 self-performance [1] shit [6] - 25:16, slow [3] - 33:13, speaking [1] - 32:21
screwed [5] - 26:4, - 52:18 38:16, 38:20, 38:23, 169:10, 169:14 speaks [3] - 9:21,
42:5, 46:2, 71:22, self-review [2] - 52:20, 93:10 small [2] - 75:20, 83:25, 88:4
96:5 167:23, 177:8 shoot [1] - 53:1 86:6 special [1] - 25:7
screwing [1] - 83:13 send [10] - 7:17, short [5] - 13:18, smaller [1] - 86:13 specifically [1] -
SEAL [1] - 179:19 21:13, 21:22, 59:24, 63:12, 92:18, 127:8, smart [5] - 42:6, 93:20
seat [1] - 150:14 66:2, 123:17, 123:19, 146:24 52:20, 73:14, 73:18, speeches [3] - 7:5,
second [4] - 67:1, 132:25, 134:7, 134:8 shortchanging [1] - 137:18 8:18, 24:19
89:11, 97:4, 167:10 sending [1] - 21:20 54:7 smartphones [1] - spend [2] - 82:6,
secondly [1] - 19:12 sends [1] - 21:19 shot [1] - 5:22 7:16 133:25
seconds [1] - 166:2 senior [1] - 137:24 show [8] - 18:15, smelling [1] - 40:15 spending [1] -
secret [1] - 37:18 sense [10] - 18:12, 66:12, 82:19, 110:13, smile [1] - 97:25 170:18
secretary [1] - 32:20, 62:12, 77:15, 132:2, 160:13, smooth [1] - 116:4 spent [5] - 30:15,
133:20 90:2, 119:19, 126:20, 160:15, 165:14 snowy [1] - 92:1 77:24, 87:8, 113:23,
Security [1] - 112:2 158:24, 159:5, 164:1 show-and-tell [1] - 175:23
social [1] - 27:11
security [1] - 115:20 sensed [3] - 78:3, 132:2 Spike [1] - 153:3
Society [1] - 13:21
See [1] - 35:6 105:2, 120:24 shows [6] - 13:10, spin [2] - 34:11,
soft [1] - 45:24
see [87] - 3:10, 3:16, sent [7] - 48:16, 65:8, 65:17, 65:21, 34:13
sold [1] - 6:23
5:20, 6:19, 10:11, 58:7, 65:22, 65:23, 66:8, 66:14 spinning [1] - 40:22
solid [1] - 154:18
14:12, 15:4, 15:5, 127:6, 129:18, 133:12 shrift [1] - 127:8 spirit [1] - 18:25
solution [1] - 39:3
15:8, 25:9, 30:12, sentence [1] - 13:2 sick [1] - 29:10 spoken [1] - 160:9
someday [1] - 117:2
41:24, 55:14, 55:25, separate [2] - 34:12, side [9] - 42:21, sport [1] - 23:19
someone [6] - 30:22,
57:5, 58:15, 59:8, 34:14 94:20, 97:5, 103:15, spot [1] - 168:17
32:16, 56:21, 94:6,
59:10, 59:16, 60:3, serious [4] - 65:6, 103:18, 147:22, square [1] - 132:11
147:2, 174:1
61:14, 61:15, 61:16, 138:1, 139:24, 177:20 166:7, 167:17, 168:3 squarely [1] - 160:20
sometime [2] -
61:24, 62:7, 67:9, seriousness [1] - sides [2] - 153:16, squeak [1] - 111:5
118:19, 145:9
68:23, 68:24, 69:13, 118:13 159:22 staff [9] - 25:16,
sometimes [2] - 47:6
19
65:9, 66:9, 67:11, stopped [1] - 20:4 154:1, 157:8, 160:20, 156:13 148:20
67:13, 67:15, 77:19, store [1] - 112:21 161:16, 166:15, technical [1] - 80:24 ticket [2] - 73:22,
81:19, 90:9 stories [1] - 143:24 168:9, 173:23, 176:25 telecommuting [1] - 73:25
staked [1] - 29:6 storm [1] - 124:4 stupid [9] - 26:8, 166:5 tier [3] - 36:8, 36:11,
stalling [2] - 140:5 story [11] - 63:12, 46:24, 113:18, temporary [1] - 36:13
stand [3] - 4:9, 51:5, 99:24, 103:18, 127:14, 132:18, 103:1 tiers [1] - 36:7
73:8 135:16, 139:12, 159:6, 159:7, 159:10, ten [3] - 114:3, timed [1] - 119:25
standpoint [3] - 140:24, 144:16, 172:19 119:25, 121:11 timeline [1] - 88:23
31:20, 61:19, 71:24 147:14, 148:7, stupidly [1] - 33:6 ten-minute [1] - Tina [7] - 10:20,
start [3] - 17:24, 154:23, 168:3 stuttered [1] - 119:3 114:3 10:21, 39:21, 111:2,
85:3, 117:11 straight [6] - 20:16, stuttering [3] - tend [1] - 175:21 111:15, 111:16
started [9] - 2:10, 28:4, 36:2, 38:18, 82:13, 82:24, 117:6 Teresa [3] - 74:1, today [7] - 19:6,
7:21, 26:20, 40:17, 140:24, 148:5 subcontractors [1] - 97:4, 98:11 19:13, 75:4, 79:25,
58:23, 77:12, 87:14, straight-up [1] - 37:23 terms [12] - 15:1, 115:24, 119:4, 173:12
113:5, 149:21 20:16 subject [1] - 103:8 23:10, 27:8, 40:4, together [10] - 13:2,
starting [3] - 38:7, straightened [1] - subjective [1] - 45:24, 48:8, 48:9, 33:7, 80:19, 93:6,
75:23, 86:22 30:13 153:21 61:16, 65:3, 70:11, 96:9, 96:11, 128:19,
state [1] - 49:2 strange [4] - 142:19, subordinates [1] - 142:8, 154:9 129:7, 159:9, 160:6
STATE [1] - 179:2 163:3, 164:7, 170:9 165:10 test [1] - 30:7 tomorrow [18] -
statement [9] - 95:2, strangest [1] - subsidiary [1] - testify [1] - 155:19 10:21, 11:4, 21:21,
137:4, 139:15, 140:2, 104:25 40:23 testimony [3] - 21:24, 56:20, 60:3,
140:3, 141:22, 142:4, strategist [1] - 12:1 substantive [2] - 136:12, 136:16 126:2, 126:6, 126:19,
145:23 strategy [1] - 9:19 49:9 testing [1] - 24:12 134:12, 134:15,
States [4] - 171:16, street [1] - 19:17 subtle [1] - 9:9 TFM [3] - 36:7, 150:15, 156:17,
171:23, 172:11, stress [2] - 50:9, suckers [1] - 62:13 39:20, 39:22 176:23, 177:4, 177:6,
172:22 50:10 sudden [4] - 19:14, thankfully [1] - 89:15 177:13, 177:15
stay [5] - 43:13, stressful [1] - 22:23 82:15, 99:24, 167:1 Thanksgiving [1] - took [15] - 35:9, 37:4,
77:16, 85:16, 133:18, string [2] - 157:17, sue [2] - 51:24, 145:4 22:4 40:24, 42:3, 65:22,
155:3 172:19 sufficient [1] - 172:7 themselves [2] - 85:3, 89:13, 105:16,
stayed [3] - 42:4, struck [1] - 152:22 suicide [1] - 163:6 160:13, 160:16 110:7, 114:2, 119:24,
102:14, 152:23 structurally [1] - suing [1] - 101:16 theory [1] - 149:21 121:11, 139:2,
stays [4] - 94:1, 94:3, 42:5 suit [1] - 169:17 therefore [3] - 14:18, 140:12, 163:12
147:16, 147:17 structure [2] - superior [1] - 93:20 16:3, 148:25 top [3] - 10:4, 37:18,
steam [1] - 44:23 110:24, 112:21 superiors [1] - 93:13 they've [12] - 5:23, 115:20
steering [1] - 137:24 structured [1] - supplied [1] - 179:9 9:12, 10:2, 16:19, top-secret [1] -
step [2] - 87:23, 110:9 supposed [7] - 17:18, 21:14, 44:7, 37:18
168:25 stuck [2] - 96:7, 22:18, 41:23, 59:17, 78:2, 112:20, 115:9, torpedo [2] - 43:12,
stepping [1] - 98:17 156:18 66:17, 66:21, 87:12, 133:19, 144:4 87:9
Steve [2] - 3:20, studying [1] - 35:18 128:19 thinking [5] - 41:13, torpedoed [1] -
157:8 stuff [68] - 3:23, 8:6, surprised [2] - 65:23, 156:5, 156:7, 121:1
stick [1] - 74:3 8:7, 8:25, 9:22, 10:3, 152:22, 163:24 161:19 total [1] - 140:9
sticking [2] - 25:13, 13:4, 14:7, 17:24, survive [1] - 31:25 thinks [5] - 22:23, totally [7] - 57:19,
132:1 19:4, 19:5, 19:12, swirling [1] - 83:13 51:5, 168:17, 168:18, 102:11, 105:3,
still [35] - 6:7, 34:25, 20:25, 22:10, 22:11, switched [2] - 46:15, 168:21 119:17, 142:12,
37:16, 42:16, 42:17, 23:18, 25:25, 26:3, 145:2 third [1] - 174:20 142:16, 152:23
44:7, 45:3, 46:3, 46:4, 28:16, 29:12, 34:1, switching [1] - 143:3 threats [1] - 68:23 touch [2] - 102:16,
46:14, 58:23, 62:12, 36:5, 37:19, 38:11, Sylvia [2] - 135:15, three [15] - 17:25, 160:9
67:15, 69:1, 70:6, 38:17, 41:10, 41:22, 135:22 18:2, 22:16, 32:7, tough [1] - 154:13
74:3, 89:20, 89:22, 50:3, 51:18, 52:9, 38:15, 60:16, 68:18, towel [2] - 30:2,
92:11, 92:13, 99:16, 53:4, 53:5, 53:15, 116:22
T 88:12, 116:16, 119:3,
town [2] - 66:6,
116:13, 118:7, 53:25, 63:24, 66:19, 130:23, 131:20,
118:11, 121:6, 122:1, 71:9, 80:15, 90:2, table [1] - 93:4 166:2, 179:6 91:25
136:5, 151:15, 95:14, 98:2, 98:10, tablet [2] - 4:13, 5:1 three-month [1] - traced [2] - 95:4,
151:18, 153:5, 98:15, 100:24, 102:8, tactics [1] - 41:4 88:12 95:5
156:11, 170:14, 107:13, 112:4, tandem [1] - 160:6 threw [2] - 116:21, track [2] - 16:18,
175:14 113:23, 119:22, task [1] - 10:23 164:17 137:19
stilted [2] - 117:12, 127:6, 127:24, 128:5, taught [1] - 160:12 throw [4] - 30:2, tracks [1] - 11:4
117:19 136:22, 137:13, taxpayer [1] - 172:16 78:13, 129:10, 131:14 trail [1] - 131:14
stop [3] - 9:8, 123:7, 143:6, 149:20, team [5] - 75:11, Thursday [4] - Transcribed [1] -
152:18 149:21, 151:12, 79:20, 96:7, 119:24, 126:16, 126:17, 1:24
20
transcribed [1] - 101:10, 103:22, uncertain [2] - 97:25, 98:17, 100:13,

W
179:5 104:10, 104:12, 171:17, 172:2 100:16, 101:10,
transcript [2] - 115:3, 121:3, 122:17, uncle [1] - 141:19 105:7, 109:21, wage [2] - 81:5,
179:10, 179:11 135:13, 137:1, unconscious [2] - 112:11, 115:2, 115:3, 85:18
TRANSCRIPTION [1] 140:23, 140:24, 21:9, 22:2 116:5, 117:14, wages [1] - 76:24
- 1:5 147:25, 159:2, under [8] - 14:5, 122:17, 122:22, wait [10] - 29:11,
translate [1] - 118:5 161:24, 165:13, 166:4 23:5, 26:15, 45:11, 126:14, 133:5, 29:13, 34:19, 55:17,
transparent [1] - TTC [1] - 106:12 89:2, 98:12, 145:13, 136:22, 137:18, 64:10, 67:21, 119:18,
93:5 turd [1] - 47:22 145:15 138:12, 139:1, 170:12, 177:22
travel [3] - 126:24, turn [20] - 7:18, Underhill [4] - 141:23, 141:24, waited [1] - 63:14
128:4, 171:19 12:17, 20:5, 45:9, 149:20, 157:8, 142:18, 143:3, 143:6, waiting [1] - 101:21
traveled [1] - 171:15 53:10, 57:25, 63:6, 157:16, 157:23 145:2, 145:4, 151:1, waits [4] - 164:10,
traveling [1] - 171:18 63:7, 63:13, 64:15, understood [8] - 152:6, 152:17, 164:13, 164:14
treated [1] - 49:7 64:21, 64:24, 65:2, 60:15, 111:9, 111:20, 155:16, 157:8, 158:5, wake [1] - 14:19
tremendously [2] - 65:15, 65:16, 66:17, 153:14, 153:17 160:21, 161:17, walk [5] - 3:24, 4:2,
137:18, 157:7 76:21, 153:2, 173:23 undo [1] - 91:22 166:11, 166:12, 4:19, 32:1, 170:11
trend [1] - 112:16 turnabout [1] - 98:22 undoing [1] - 70:21 167:24, 168:19, walked [7] - 3:13,
trick [1] - 86:12 turned [7] - 43:6, unfortunately [3] - 170:15, 174:9 3:15, 4:12, 13:3, 24:9,
tricky [1] - 11:25 62:16, 113:4, 125:1, 20:24, 73:5, 73:6 upcoming [1] - 93:14 25:4, 36:4
tried [8] - 3:16, 5:11, 144:10, 172:17, 173:2 ungodly [1] - 46:9 upset [3] - 36:24, walking [4] - 20:8,
62:22, 82:8, 115:2, Turner [8] - 6:1, 6:2, union [2] - 76:15, 36:25, 68:9 49:6, 97:19, 162:17
150:7, 154:22, 168:10 6:3, 43:8, 43:16, 91:8 urged [1] - 13:11 walks [1] - 164:9
tries [1] - 109:7 43:22, 44:24, 45:16 unionized [8] - useless [1] - 8:5 wants [9] - 17:1,
trinity [1] - 45:20 Turner's [1] - 46:16 76:23, 81:7, 81:11, utilize [1] - 152:4 17:2, 17:3, 60:14,
trouble [4] - 43:13, turning [4] - 53:6, 81:21, 90:10, 90:11, 92:22, 105:8, 115:16,
154:21, 157:11, 63:20, 71:12, 89:20 90:15, 90:19 V 152:4, 165:15
157:16 turns [1] - 7:19 unions [1] - 90:23 warning [1] - 139:7
twice [6] - 101:4, United [4] - 171:16, vacation [4] - 77:16,
troubles [1] - 115:10 washy [1] - 156:10
129:9, 129:16, 97:12, 168:10, 174:14
true [10] - 71:13, 171:23, 172:11, wasting [1] - 48:21
129:18, 129:22, 172:22 Valerie [3] - 109:11,
91:17, 93:17, 107:13, watch [6] - 2:13,
160:16 unless [3] - 79:7, 148:18, 150:23
111:13, 146:20, 2:15, 15:9, 15:10,
two [28] - 2:8, 2:10, 84:8, 84:9 VCR [1] - 77:14
159:13, 159:20, 94:22, 129:19
2:19, 3:18, 4:1, 17:16, unplanned [1] - Vegas [1] - 18:25
179:10 watched [2] - 35:16,
17:23, 32:7, 33:7, 140:12 veteran [1] - 40:13 35:18
truly [4] - 21:3,
35:16, 39:8, 42:14, unprotected [1] - via [1] - 21:9 watching [1] - 130:6
159:14, 167:9, 174:23
45:25, 52:25, 53:2, 141:4 victory [1] - 153:6 water [1] - 25:4
Trump [2] - 38:13,
54:13, 75:8, 97:19, unreasonable [1] - violates [1] - 38:17 waters [3] - 99:12,
46:22
99:18, 102:13, 52:11 violation [3] - 171:5, 99:13, 99:21
trust [2] - 93:10,
161:16 105:16, 111:24, unring [1] - 44:15 171:11, 172:13 WAV [1] - 75:1
truth [1] - 93:16 111:25, 134:4, 165:9, unusual [1] - 114:18 viral [2] - 26:14, weak [1] - 113:11
165:12, 165:23 up [104] - 3:24, 4:2, 27:15
try [16] - 19:4, 26:12, wearing [1] - 49:16
two-and-a-half- 4:19, 4:25, 5:17, 5:18, visible [1] - 112:8
29:7, 29:24, 47:20, weather [1] - 166:24
52:12, 60:3, 100:13, hour [1] - 2:10 6:11, 7:20, 9:21, visit [3] - 49:21,
week [8] - 17:4,
104:15, 117:19, type [5] - 71:16, 12:24, 12:25, 14:19, 87:25, 176:17
87:22, 88:24, 89:1,
118:5, 122:24, 72:5, 73:16, 97:19, 20:16, 21:5, 21:7, voices [1] - 2:1 118:19, 119:12, 145:9
122:25, 157:5, 160:4 165:19 24:9, 25:7, 26:4, 28:4, vote [7] - 63:19, weekend [1] - 125:12
trying [58] - 2:7, 31:7, 31:23, 31:24, 64:17, 80:2, 80:19,
weeks [3] - 52:25,
3:21, 4:8, 5:11, 5:15, U 32:1, 32:7, 33:9, 129:24, 130:12,
53:3, 105:16
7:8, 7:9, 8:20, 9:3, 33:16, 34:20, 36:4, 133:17
weird [2] - 8:11,
uglier [2] - 144:1, 36:19, 38:3, 38:10, voted [15] - 63:5,
9:22, 10:12, 10:22, 73:15
144:3 38:16, 39:10, 39:11, 63:12, 64:21, 65:1,
11:3, 11:14, 11:17, welcome [3] - 91:24,
ugly [1] - 153:19 40:18, 41:22, 42:5, 79:20, 80:3, 80:15,
12:3, 12:17, 13:17, 91:25, 113:25
ultimate [1] - 22:14 43:11, 46:2, 47:2, 80:17, 89:21, 107:18,
24:1, 28:5, 28:25, welcomed [1] - 92:4
33:14, 36:25, 41:7, um-hmm [3] - 47:13, 51:13, 51:18, 116:6, 129:16,
well-informed [1] -
41:9, 42:22, 43:13, 114:23, 135:21, 136:3 52:16, 56:21, 60:3, 129:22, 130:5, 130:6
88:6
45:24, 50:4, 51:23, unanimous [1] - 61:9, 62:14, 65:14, votes [5] - 129:9,
what's-her-face [1] -
52:3, 56:23, 64:22, 116:7 65:15, 69:18, 71:22, 131:23, 132:5, 132:6,
99:5
65:9, 66:9, 77:25, unaware [1] - 102:11 76:24, 78:18, 80:4, 132:7
whispering [1] -
84:10, 84:16, 87:9, unbearable [1] - 82:16, 83:25, 86:24, voting [2] - 130:19,
143:20
87:11, 94:18, 96:23, 20:20 87:23, 88:4, 95:13, 131:13
whistle [2] - 67:22,
21
68:3 world [4] - 11:8, yelled [1] - 122:22

white [1] - 72:21 127:17, 161:21, yelling [2] - 122:24,
whitewash [2] - 170:17 142:7
173:18, 173:21 worried [1] - 128:3 yesterday [2] - 88:2,
whoa [7] - 4:18, worry [6] - 3:23, 96:25
82:22, 82:23 57:3, 58:18, 59:13, young [3] - 121:15,
whole [23] - 3:1, 149:13, 150:20 121:16, 121:24
4:13, 5:1, 23:14, 29:6, worse [1] - 41:11 yourself [2] - 54:16,
30:25, 35:17, 39:19, worst [2] - 161:20, 74:8
39:23, 61:22, 91:18, 167:4
100:12, 105:16, worth [4] - 32:11, Z
110:12, 113:23, 77:1, 77:2, 77:3
129:8, 135:22, wow [37] - 4:17, 8:8, ZOOM0001 [1] - 75:1
135:23, 151:25, 19:20, 20:14, 41:5, ZOOM0001.WAV [2]
152:10, 157:19, 46:10, 62:19, 62:21, - 1:10, 125:15
159:13, 166:5 64:8, 73:2, 75:10, ZOOM0002.WAV [3]
Wilke [3] - 75:12, 76:12, 82:21, 84:6, - 1:11, 126:1, 178:6
82:7, 85:3 85:5, 85:7, 87:10,
William [2] - 110:1, 89:8, 91:23, 95:12,
113:1 97:20, 98:3, 98:13,
Williams [9] - 8:20, 101:19, 105:25,
24:7, 24:8, 36:4, 36:5, 108:15, 114:5, 114:8,
38:13, 85:2, 134:22 118:14, 119:1,
willing [1] - 88:3 121:12, 129:17,
Wimbush [2] - 44:24, 130:13, 138:10,
45:14 168:23, 172:12
win [1] - 91:8 Wright [2] - 96:3,
window [2] - 111:13, 144:5
111:17 write [9] - 52:19,
wins [1] - 132:7 127:15, 140:1,
Wisconsin [2] - 22:3, 140:14, 159:1,
22:6 167:22, 168:11, 177:7
wish [1] - 2:24 writes [2] - 104:2,
wishy [1] - 156:10 167:1
wishy-washy [1] - writing [3] - 127:15,
156:10 146:4, 177:11
WITNESS [1] - written [1] - 124:19
179:19 wrote [10] - 38:11,
witness [1] - 105:4 38:16, 41:19, 41:20,
woman [6] - 10:20, 72:14, 72:15, 95:2,
105:5, 142:19, 163:5, 104:4, 145:23, 168:7
163:8, 165:19
woman's [1] - 60:24 Y
wonder [2] - 14:3,
45:12 Yarnell [1] - 6:18
wonderful [3] - Year [1] - 85:3
24:22, 72:17, 73:21 year [18] - 22:12,
wondering [2] - 42:8, 42:14, 45:25,
92:3, 92:4 50:1, 59:4, 75:23,
word [3] - 151:10, 76:24, 85:21, 86:22,
167:8, 173:25 107:22, 111:24,
129:8, 129:9, 129:11,
words [7] - 12:4,
129:13, 171:10
15:5, 20:17, 87:11,
year-to-year [1] -
116:10, 142:13, 153:3
42:8
workday [1] - 133:6
years [13] - 17:16,
workforce [3] -
17:23, 17:25, 18:4,
76:23, 81:11, 90:15
18:6, 39:8, 42:14,
works [6] - 37:16,
93:8, 111:25, 129:1,
70:6, 100:8, 113:18,
137:4, 175:8
128:11, 165:4

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6 MS. ROBINSON: But the bottomline is that

7 that's Bob's scheme, that's what they're trying to do,

8 and so Bill Coleman -- so I go to Bill after my two

9 and -- the meeting actually went overtime, my

10 two-and-a-half-hour meeting. It started at 10:30 and

11 went to 12:00 something. I said -- I go to him, and I

13 going to -- he said, well, I told you to watch your

14 back, because he did. He said, I told you to -- you

15 need to watch your back because these guys want you

17 facilitate that, and they're working with Bob to do

18 it. I said, yeah, but you didn't tell me that they

19 were going to beat on me for two -- he said, well, I

20 didn't know that. And I don't know if he knew it or

21 he didn't. He just was conspicuously absent, quite

23 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

24 MS. ROBINSON: Well, I wish I would have been in

25 there because, you know, and he went through that

2 So then he said to me -- well, as he's talking to me

3 about it, he says, and, you know, Rick Beaman is

4 really going to lead the charge, you know.

5 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

6 MS. ROBINSON: I think he calls him -- he said,

7 Bob's buddy Numb Nuts is going to lead the charge for

9 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

10 MS. ROBINSON: I said, oh, I said, I see he's

11 going to be the next chair, that's all very

12 convenient, and he just looked at me. Well, Rick

13 walked in while we were sitting there talking.

14 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

15 MS. ROBINSON: He literally walked -- I could

16 see. So Bill tried to change the conversation or

17 whatever. Well, this was before the board meeting.

18 So then there was round two of the -- so -- so, by the

19 way, after the one committee meeting, this is just a

20 funny, funny thing that you'll love, Steve Katsurinis,

21 who, you know, is part of this and is trying to

22 orchestrate and tell them what they need to do and say

24 he's sitting in the -- in the restaurant. I walk up

25 to him, and so he's sitting there, he's working

2 walk up to him, and I say: You want to join -- you

3 being antisocial? What's the matter, you don't want

4 to join the lawyers? Because it was me and Mayling,

6 MR. LOPEZ: Right.

7 MS. ROBINSON: And -- and it was so funny, Ruben,

8 because I was just trying to be -- actually, I mean,

9 I can't stand the guy, but I was just being cordial.

10 MR. LOPEZ: Sure.

11 MS. ROBINSON: But here's what was so funny.

12 When I walked -- whatever he was looking at on his

13 computer, he dropped the whole tablet. I mean, it was

14 like -- it was like -- if you would have seen it, it

15 was like something out of a movie. It was pretty

17 MR. LOPEZ: Wow.

18 MS. ROBINSON: You know, and I said, whoa, whoa,

19 you okay, man? I mean, because all I did was walk up

20 behind him and I put my arm on the back of his chair

21 and I said -- you know, I said, hey, you know,

22 you're -- you know, I know you don't like lawyers, or

23 what's the matter, you being antisocial?

24 MR. LOPEZ: Right.