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“Robby Van Winkle and Vanilla Ice are the American dream
come true.” —Vanilla Ice, Ice by Ice
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all up on him like, ‘Oooh, look at him.’ And he was like, ‘I’m not
finna stop. I’m gonna make y’all love me.’”
Here are the basics: Vanilla Ice was born on Halloween in 1967,
most likely in Dallas, though the first chapter (“Ice Formations”)
from his quickie Avon Books memoir, Ice by Ice, claims he
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After fame hit, Ice was attacked for claiming Miami as his
hometown. But that was only slightly different from the approach
taken by fellow Dallas native the D.O.C., who wore Raiders hats
while signed to Ruthless Records. In late-’80s rap, modern-day
capitals like Houston and Atlanta were considered provincial
backwaters. Claiming Dallas was a commercially fatal
proposition. “Respected” rap came from New York and maybe
Philly. Few took L.A. seriously until The Source put N.W.A on
the cover in 1989, and even then, they shared the honor with
Oakland’s Too Short, largely considered a profane novelty east
of Kansas City. The lone exception was Miami, home of the
banned-in-the-USA Uncle Luke and the bass sound that owned
the Southeast until Outkast debuted.
“I lived in Miami and wrote ‘Ice Ice Baby’ about it. I didn’t think
about where I was from at the time. That only became a thing
after I was famous,” Ice tells me. “I was like, ‘Where I’m from?
Who fucking cares where I’m from?’ I was embarrassed to tell
people I was from Farmers Branch [an inner-ring suburb of
Dallas]. I didn’t tell them I was from Miami. I didn’t tell them I
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was from anywhere. I was just like, ‘Listen, I’m from around the
corner, man. I’m from around the fucking way.’ I actually tried to
detour people.”
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nine seasons on the DIY Network and turned him into hip-hop’s
Bob Vila.
When you talk to Vanilla Ice, you quickly realize that it was more
than just privilege and luck that led him to stardom. He’s a
master storyteller: charismatic, generous, and perceptive. The
work ethic, self-belief, and sense of humor that allowed him to
survive the withering backlash were there from the start. There
is also the endearing charm of a lifelong hip-hop and funk
obsessive. His eyes light up at the mention of onetime
labelmate Willie D of the Geto Boys, and he starts reflexively
rapping the hook to the flagrantly obscene “Bald Headed Hoes.”
Ice rhapsodizes about the genius of L.A. electro-rap pharaoh
the Egyptian Lover and describes his first concert, Roger
Troutman at City Lights, with apostolic fervor. But his epiphany
arrived in 1984, when Breakin’ converted him to the fluorescent
gospel of the four elements.
“I can’t tell you how many sleepless nights I’d stay up and mimic
the moves from Breakin’ and Beat Street,” Ice says. “Watching
them dance with the broom, the fishing line, doing the robot, and
then throwing in my own moves. My mentality was always, ‘No
matter what it is, you have to prove yourself.’”
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going to do the windmill. Bam!’ Then he’d bust it out,” Ice says.
“Eventually, I started to rap like, ‘Aye, you heard me write a
rhyme / You heard me bust a beat / Now check this out /
Because I’ma move my feet.’ Next thing you know, I didn’t want
to put that microphone down.”
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By this point, “Vanilla” had built a rep around Dallas. He’d won
regional motocross contests, battled at parties, and become
certified on Forest Lane in South Dallas, a place where guys
named Robbie Van Winkle did not historically tread. He’d even
had a near-death experience after being stabbed five times,
causing him to lose four pints of blood and spend several days
hospitalized. The attack occurred in relatively safe Richardson,
Texas, where Ice went in search of retaliation after someone
had jumped his friend. A few years later, he famously pulled
down his pants on Rick Dees to reveal the battle scars. In an
interview with The Washington Post, Ice alleged that the
assailant was a member of a “devil-worshipping posse.” But
some of the stories may have appeared slightly … embroidered:
At the height of Icemania, he was served with an outstanding
warrant for failing to pay fines related to an incident in 1988 in
which he “maced a kid in the eyes and beat him over the head
in a parking lot.”
“If there was a knock-down, drag-out fight, Ice was right there,
ready to go,” Earthquake says. “He wasn’t perpetrating
anything.”
Ice was a high school dropout abandoned by his real father, and
whose mother was married several times. He grew up lower
middle class and toiled away at menial jobs while chasing his
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“I had no crystal ball about the future,” Ice recalls. “I just knew
that there was an energy around me, and I was going to do
something with this. I knew it. There were too many people who
liked what I was doing.”
“At first, it was very quiet; you could hear a pin drop. ‘Oh God,
what’s this dude going to do?’” Ice says. “I had a little set, and
didn’t need much. I could beatbox like a motherfucker, rhyme,
and dance.”
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“From then on out, all they wanted was more,” Ice says. “I
remember this guy laughing his ass off, shocked and
entertained that this white boy could do this. Others were like,
‘Damn, I can’t do that. That dude’s killing it.’”
After the show, A&Rs from several major labels handed Ice their
business cards. Another audience member was John Bush, the
manager of City Lights, who saw something special in the kid
from Farmers Branch. Bush eventually became Ice’s road
manager and brought him to Quon. Within days, Ice signed a
management deal with Quon and became the City Lights
resident act, performing nightly five-to-10-minute routines for the
packed crowds.
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“I was shocked [to see] a white kid who was, no. 1, rapping, and
no. 2, dancing,” Hammer said in Ice’s VH1 Behind the Music.
“He was playing for a 100 percent Black club, the only white kid
in [there]. But that didn’t deter him. He wasn’t trying to emulate
dance moves, he was dancing.”
“Ice-T was finishing up with his sound check and was like,
‘What’s this white boy doing out here? Wait, this motherfucker
can dance,’” Vanilla Ice remembers. “The next night on tour,
Ice-T told Chuck D, ‘Listen, come check out this white boy.
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You’re going to freak out. This kid can dance.’ It was the
dancing that really caught their attention. Even though I was
rapping, I don’t think they really heard what I was rapping about.
They saw the whole entertainment thing of me onstage and the
crowd response—because the crowd loved it.”
But until Ice could record a hit, local notoriety could take him
only so far. Quon—who declined multiple requests for an
interview—had a plan to remedy that, and only had to turn to the
DJ booth at City Lights. The East Dallas Earthquake got his
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“Mario was like, ‘It ain’t happening. I’m not doing that,’”
Earthquake recalls. “‘I was like, ‘[Quon] is putting a lot of money
behind [Ice]. I’ll do the music, you write.’ He refused.”
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to Earthquake, Ice went crazy the first time he heard the beat
and hook in its skeletal form, and asked the producer to dub him
a tape to ride around with. Earthquake countered that Ice
needed to finish the song first. Ice refused. Indignant,
Earthquake demanded that Quon erase the beats for “Ice Ice
Baby” and “Play That Funky Music.” Earthquake says that a
month later he heard the full version of “Ice Ice Baby” on the
radio and confronted Quon, to which the manager threw his
hands up, apologized, and promised to take care of the enraged
producer.
“People started liking it, even old people and white people who
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“He had a charisma that you don’t see very often,” says John
Abbey, the founder of Ichiban, who also helped A&R Hooked.
“He was very confident, extremely polite, and had an angle that
you didn’t see anyone else doing. It was that simple.”
Except that initially it failed. For four months, the first single,
“Play That Funky Music,” was moribund. Without social media to
make a song go viral, if radio ignored your first salvo, it often
meant your career was over. So Ice, a DJ, and three backup
dancers packed into a small van to play a series of promo
shows across the South at record stores and sweatbox dives.
But it was serendipity that ultimately saved him from the
chopping block: A DJ named Darrell Jaye in Columbus,
Georgia, flipped over the 12-inch to discover “Ice Ice Baby.” The
request lines immediately blew up. Dallas radio ignored it, but it
caught fire across the region when Dave Morales in Jackson,
Mississippi, threw his full weight behind it.
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Offers rushed in from Atlantic Records and Def Jam. But Ice
says that as soon as he was about to sign with the latter, a $1.5
million payday arrived from SBK Records, the nascent EMI
subsidiary newly flush with Wilson Phillips and Technotronic
money. The deal reportedly came about after a young A&R
executive, Monte Lipman, discovered “Ice Ice Baby” on a visit to
the Jackson radio station and then played it for SBK CEO
Charles Koppelman over the phone. Koppelman was so certain
that it would be a worldwide smash that he tendered the seven-
figure advance before even meeting the rapper.
“Chuck D and Hank Shocklee had told Def Jam about me and
I’d landed in New York City ready to sign with them,” Ice says.
“Then I got a phone call from [Quon]. He says, ‘Don’t sign with
Def Jam.’ I said, ‘Fuck that, I’m signing. This is my dream, this is
the greatest thing ever.’ Because they were ready to buy my
contract from Ichiban. He said, ‘Don’t sign. I’m on my way to
New York and I’ll give you millions and millions of reasons why
you shouldn’t sign.’ I was like, ‘OK, I’m going to hold off.’ I
understood that one.”
“All right stop, collaborate, and listen.” It’s one of the most
ingratiatingly bizarre opening lines of all time. I wouldn’t
necessarily rate “Ice Ice Baby” alongside rarefied icebreakers
like “I break bread, ribs, and hundred-dollar bills” or even “The
government tried to ban me from the dark web,” but it remains
as seared into memory as my first phone number. Nothing about
it really makes sense. Are you being invited to collaborate with
the VIP Posse? Are these the instructions to a junior high group
science project? Pay no mind. Step into the cinematic free-for-
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At 8 years old, I considered “Ice Ice Baby” one of the best rap
songs ever made. To be fair, it had ferocious competition from
“Bust a Move,” “U Can’t Touch This,” “The Humpty Dance,”
“Pump Up the Jam,” “Groove Is in the Heart,” and “Parents Just
Don’t Understand.” This was third grade; I was far too young
and absent an older sibling to be into Public Enemy and N.W.A.
There was no understanding of what was pop and what was
considered “real hip-hop.” I vaguely intuited that Shock G and
Humpty Hump might be the same person after all, but I had no
clue what either of them were doing in the Burger King
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bathroom.
I wasn’t the only one. In 2018, Nipsey Hussle was asked about
“Ice Ice Baby” and answered, “I can’t lie to you. I liked that song
when I was little. I can’t hate on Vanilla Ice. How you going to
hate on ‘Ice Ice Baby’? That’s a classic.” And Houston rapper
Riff Raff, once the subject of a Hot 97 debate about whether he
was the “next Vanilla Ice,” has repeatedly expressed his
admiration for his fellow Texan: “Vanilla Ice is cool as shit. …
Why would you talk down to someone who sold 11 million
copies of their first album?”
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To Ice, there were never any lies, per se. He maintains the
press bio was concocted without his permission; the rest were
purposeful omissions to protect his family’s identity.
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The media lampooned his claim that he came from “the streets,”
but Ice countered with the Rakim line that it ain’t where you’re
from, it’s where you’re at. Moreover, becoming a rapper in the
mid-to-late ’80s was nothing like it is today.
“When I said that I was from the streets, I meant that that was
where I learned to rap,” Ice says. “It wasn’t anywhere else that
anybody could learn it. We didn’t have the fucking internet. We
didn’t even have computers.”
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Back in late 1990, the 23-year-old became the pale face of hip-
hop apostasy, attracting oblivious Karens and Brads at a
startling clip.
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“My image would’ve been different if I’d signed to Def Jam, but
it’s hard to speculate how the record sales would have been
impacted,” Ice says. “A lot of people probably could see me
being more respected with a crew like Public Enemy, instead of
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being all alone and being put into the pop world. It probably
would have happened on its own anyway though. ‘Ice Ice Baby’
was magical; it had fairy dust all over it.”
In reality, the genre had been steadily crossing over since 1986,
when Run-DMC covered Aerosmith’s “Walk This Way” and the
Beastie Boys tapped into a fraternity crowd that needed white
rappers talking about beer, burgers, and girls to make them
care. In 1989, the Grammys introduced the Best Rap
Performance category, giving the first award to DJ Jazzy Jeff
and the Fresh Prince. In that same year, Young MC, Tone Loc,
and Biz Markie all cracked the upper reaches of the Billboard
Hot 100. Just before Hammer and Ice’s 1990 takeover, Bell Biv
DeVoe and Salt-N-Pepa became pop-rap sensations. Ice
certainly wasn’t the first nor would he be the last; he just
happened to be the largest target.
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It’s hard to blame him much. He was 23 and secure in the belief
that every artist has when they’re on top of the world: This will
continue forever. Despite the searing criticism, things still looked
rosy. He had just filmed the iconic “Ninja Rap” scene from
Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Secret of the Ooze and
Madonna had popped into his dressing room at Madison Square
Garden to give him her phone number. They became a couple
after he visited her in Indiana on the set of A League of Their
Own, culminating in his appearance in her Sex book.
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amplified just enough to make you question why you liked Ice in
the first place. It was both slapstick and skull-crushing: As he
rapped “Let’s kick it,” Carrey sent a single shoe into the rafters
and chased after it like an outfielder losing a fly ball in the sun.
His Ice is an empty mannequin, a brainless puppet foisted into
the spotlight solely because of his skin color—rap’s Manchurian
candidate, backed by the dark machinations of industry to
exploit a rich cultural tradition.
With all savage parody, there is enough truth for it to stick. With
all good comedy, it’s fucking absurd. Carrey does a Three
Stooges routine while pumping his arms and skittering
backward on one leg. He pelvic-thrusts, turkey-necks, sticks his
tongue out, and does the “I’m a little teapot short and stout.” The
dancers do a call-and-response mocking his real name, and
Carrey says nothing rhymes with Van Winkle.
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it, and even if it had, unless Michael Irvin stepped forward to say
that he’d seen Ice kill brains like poisonous mushrooms, no one
would’ve cared. Nearly a decade later, the Interscope brain trust
knew to pair Eminem with Dre to ensure his street credibility and
avoid another Vanilla Ice meltdown. But Ice had emerged at the
apex of the conscious rap era, unaffiliated and dressed like an
opulent Nordic dictator. It was open season.
The fait accompli occurred just two days later. Invited on The
Arsenio Hall Show, Ice walked blithely into the lion’s den. This
was peak Arsenio, where the Dog Pound was howling and the
best rappers and entertainers appeared nightly. The same year
that they turned over the program to Prince one night for the
best hour of music television ever aired. Someone should’ve
warned Ice.
For all his missteps, Ice never wavered from acknowledging his
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There was no point to explaining the City Lights years or the fact
that Chuck D had tried to sign him. After all, this is what mass
culture does: It flattens and removes the arcane but relevant
details. The people want the shiny suit until they don’t want it
anymore. Then there’s always a next model to replace it.
As his world was collapsing, Ice says that a young 2Pac was
one of the people who gave him the strength to keep enduring.
This was a young Pac, fresh off “Same Song” with Digital
Underground and about to begin recording his debut,
2Pacalypse Now.
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people ain’t paying for your bills. You know who is? The ones
that’re buying it. Focus on them.”
Earthquake says that he never saw Ice pen the lyrics to “Ice Ice
Baby”; in his last conversation with Johnson—who Suge would
soon rename “Chocolate”—the rapper emphatically refused to
write anything for Ice.
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Ice vehemently swore that he wrote every bar to “Ice Ice Baby.”
He says that Suge politely asked him to step out on the balcony
for a conversation. His bodyguards came in armed, but
peaceful. No one was looking for trouble, but they wouldn’t go
out of their way to avoid it either. They told Earthquake to sit
down and shut up, and everything would be cool. The same
went for Ice’s bodyguards. Out on the balcony, Suge began
explaining that he would take some points off the record; at this
point, Ice says that he didn’t even know what that meant.
“He says, ‘Ice, listen, man. Here in L.A., it’s rough. There’s a lot
of gangs.’ He explains a lot to me that I already knew; rap music
had always been gangster,” Ice says. “I asked, ‘What am I
paying for?’ He says, ‘Protection … because of all these gangs.
We’re going to be looking after you now. You’re in with a very
tight clique.’ He said so many rappers and musicians that you
wouldn’t even think pay Suge Knight.”
“I was like, ‘What the fuck is this? Damn.’ It just went from being
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peaceful and shit to crazy,” Ice says. “Suge said, ‘This is how
we’re going to get our points right there [pointing at Johnson].’
So, they basically took those points and put [Johnson] in the
place where he wasn’t. He didn’t help me write anything.”
Things only grew worse. Rather than get him back in the studio
to follow up the smash that had been recorded years before,
SBK tried to cash in with the extremely bad Extremely Live—a
live album with a few new songs, including “Rollin in My 5.0,”
which tried to replicate “Ice Ice Baby” but this time with a sample
of Steve Miller’s “Fly Like an Eagle.” It was critically loathed and
the singles failed to chart; the album peaked at no. 30 and
quickly disappeared into record store bargain bin eternity.
But because they were from New York, signed to Def Jam, and
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had recruited punk rock legend Henry Rollins to play Ice in the
video, 3rd Bass was hailed as a refreshing change from Ice’s
“same old thieving.” Between In Living Color, Arsenio, and 3rd
Bass, I completely bought in too. Ice suddenly became played
out and corny. A Tribe Called Quest’s Low End Theory dropped
that September. On the “Scenario” remix that came out a few
months later, Phife sneered “Vanilla Ice platinum? That shit’s
ridiculous.”
The Ice Age formally ended that October with the release of
Cool As Ice. Financed by SBK at the apogee of his success, the
film was conceived as a modern cross between The Wild One
and Jailhouse Rock. Though it’s since become a sort of camp
classic, it received atrocious reviews and grossed just $1.2
million on a $6 million budget. The soundtrack album flopped,
and the film was nominated for seven Golden Raspberry
Awards. Ice won the Razzie for “Worst New Star”; he did not
show up to accept the trophy.
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big, too era-defining, the song you chase forever until you
eventually learn to let go.
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ranked no. 6 in the world in the latter at one point). Upon his ’94
reemergence, he tried to adapt to the times by going hardcore,
sporting dreadlocks and rapping about weed smoking like an
excited teenager who had just hit his first bong. After it failed, he
nearly overdosed, which led him toward spirituality, therapy,
marriage, and a grunge band. There was the nu-metal phase
when he collaborated with one of Korn’s producers and another
phase at the beginning of the millennium when he appeared on
any reality show that would take him. Eventually, he landed on
VH1’s The Surreal Life, where Tammy Faye Bakker offered the
most valuable advice that anyone had given him since 2Pac:
“Honey, you are who you are because of who you were.
Embrace it.”
There were brushes with the law: a 2008 arrest after his wife
said he kicked and hit her (the charges were later dropped after
she recanted). He copped to a plea deal in 2015 related to
charges of residential burglary and grand theft after police say
he took furniture, a pool heater, and bicycles from a Florida
home that he presumed was vacant. He became a Juggalo and
released an album on ICP’s label, starred in an Adam Sandler
movie, played Captain Hook in a British production of Peter
Pan, and nearly was involved in a Fourth of July concert in
Texas that was called off because of COVID-19 concerns. This
is all in addition to the decade-long run of The Vanilla Ice
Project.
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After Vanilla Ice and Marky Mark left the limelight, another solo
white rapper wouldn’t become famous until Eminem eight years
later. And after that, it would be over a decade before
Macklemore raised all the same troubling questions that had
first been asked during the presidency of the elder George
Bush. Hip-hop has been so thoroughly co-opted and embedded
into the mainstream of pop existence that rappers, many of
them white, can pack arenas without remotely intersecting with
the street world. The question of selling out is so obsolete that
Travis Scott—who never met a beat, ad-lib, or nickname that he
couldn’t steal—can do a nihilistically shameless cross-
promotional deal with McDonald’s. And rather than catch flak for
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Jeff Weiss is the founder and editor of POW. His work has
appeared in The Washington Post, the Los Angeles Times, and
GQ.
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