Aspirin Poisoning heading should be renamed[edit]

to.. Aspirin Poisoning Hypothesis. The entry doesn't describe a factual event it states the
researchers conclusion about a time period during the pandemic and notes that the conclusion
is debated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.153.174.183 (talk) 01:43, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Proposal: Timeline reorganize[edit]

Several people have mentioned on this talk page the article lacks a clear chronology, a timeline
of events. I propose we create a new subsection: History > Timeline, that reorganizes the
following:

2.1 History > Timeline

2.1.1 First wave spring 1918 (formerly 3.3 First wave spring 1918)
2.1.2 Deadly second wave fall 1918 (formerly 3.4 Deadly second
wave)
2.1.3 Third wave 1919 (formerly 3.5 Third wave 1919)
2.1.4 Fourth wave 1920 (formerly 3.6 Fourth wave 1920)

Please vote! On Friday June 5 I'll make this change if we have a majority. For now it's
+1 :) DallasFletcher (talk) 06:33, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
There does need to be consistency throughout the article, as previously discussed. The
opening sentence is saying 1918-19, while the infobox is saying 1918-20. This is due to
differences over the significance of the fourth wave. This needs to be ironed out.--
♦IANMACM♦  (talk to me) 10:52, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
We don't vote! and we certainly don't set deadlines, but I agree.Graham Beards (talk)
11:33, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I don't know the protocol for proposing structural edits. I suggested a date
because I don't want this to linger indefinitely. Let's see who else weighs in soon, of
course anybody can revert my edit in the future DallasFletcher (talk) 06:32, 1 June 2020
(UTC)

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Please replace:
In Brazil, 300,000 died, including president Rodrigues Alves.
with:
In Brazil, 35,000 died, including president Rodrigues Alves.
because:
The current figure is wildly incorrect. Although there is some uncertainty, the actual figure
agreed upon most sources is almost ten times lower than what is currently appearing in the
Wikipedia entry. The Wikipedia entry in Portuguese has the correct figure:
"Ainda nas Américas, a pandemia resultou em, ao mínimo, 35 mil mortos no Brasil,
incluindo o presidente Rodrigues Alves."[86]
[87] https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gripe_espanhola
Source:
Andrade, Rodrigo de Oliveira Andrade. A time of chaos: 100 years ago, Spanish flu
wreaked havoc worldwide, killing 30 million people and 35,000 in Brazil alone.” Pesquisa
FAPESP 266 (April 2018). Retrieved 5 June 2020. https://revistapesquisa.fapesp.br/en/a-
time-of-chaos/
Arkel Buch (talk) 11:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC) Arkel Buch (talk) 11:49, 5 June 2020 (UTC)
The problem as ever is that the figures for the death toll are an estimate. In all countries,
it was impossible to say exactly how many people died, leading to widely varying
estimates. The figure of 300,000 deaths in Brazil is also sourced here. It's always a
problem to know what to do when the sourcing varies considerably.--♦IANMACM♦  (talk to
me)
 18:02, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 June 2020[edit]

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The Etymology section is a mess. Editors have made opinion contributions, rather than
editorial which has nothing to do with the situation and perpetuates meta-
discourse. 24.56.35.100 (talk) 05:34, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

 Not done. Need a specific edit request, like change x to y. El_C 05:37, 9 June 2020
(UTC)

When did this strain of flu leave the world? [edit]

I was told, by someone who is knowledgeable about most things, that this strain of
flu (the so-called "Spanish flu") was around intermittently into the 1950s before it
finally disappeared altogether. Is this true? The article stops its discussion at that
4th wave in 1920. Thank you for your time, Wordreader (talk) 07:58, 20 June 2020
(UTC)
It's an interesting question, because the sourcing is pretty much agreed that the
pandemic had faded out by 1920. This does not necessarily mean that there were no
cases at all after that, but there would need to be sourcing discussing this.--
♦IANMACM♦  (talk to me) 12:14, 20 June 2020 (UTC)
My understanding is that it never actually left and is still lingering around in the seasonal
flu, just not in large numbers. I think you'll have a hard time finding reliable sources to
support this. DallasFletcher (talk) 01:27, 4 July 2020 (UTC)
According to this CDC publication (which currently appears twice in our Citations and
twice in our Bibliography), "almost all cases of influenza A worldwide have been caused
by descendants of the 1918 virus, including drifted H1N1 viruses and reassorted H2N2
and H3N2 viruses." Some of these "substantially milder" descendant viruses persist in
humans and in pigs.
It'd be great if a knowledgeable editor could incorporate the relevant information into our
article, and consolidate the referencing. —24.191.101.221 (talk) 02:38, 5 September
2020 (UTC)
Can't say if it's still around or if it was around intermediately, but this is the same strain of
flu that caused the 2009 swine flu pandemic, H1N1. mossypiglet (talk) quote or
something 00:50, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
Thank you all for the information. Fingers, toes, and eyes all tightly crossed that SARS-
CoV-2 does not follow this flu's pattern. Wordreader (talk) 20:14, 9 October 2020 (UTC)

Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade[edit]

The Philadelphia Liberty Loans Parade has its own article but it
is not mentioned here. This is something that should probably
be added, as it was one of the most serious incidents of the
pandemic.--♦IANMACM♦  (talk to me) 18:24, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
This was added. Given that the 2020 Summer Olympics has been postponed, it is
interesting that the 1920 Summer Olympics in Antwerp, Belgium went ahead without any
major concerns. As this source says, the Spanish flu pandemic was not considered to be
a serious threat by the time that the sporting events began in August 1920. I thought
about adding this, but wondered if it had WP:TOPIC problems.--♦IANMACM♦  (talk to
me)
 17:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)