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AEE Episode 610: Listen Today and Then Call It a Day
Announcer: This is an All Ears English podcast episode 610: “Listen Today and Then Call
It a Day”
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Kaplan, the ‘New York Radio Girl,’ coming to you from Boston and New
York City, U.S.A.
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Announcer: Today find out how to use the super natural phrase "Call it a day," and find
out when to use it, so that you can connect with the people around you.
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Lindsay: What up, Michelle? How are you doing?
Michelle: Hey (hi) Lindsay, I'm good, I'm good. How are you?
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Lindsay: Well, I am great. I did finish my big hike in the Presidential Range in the
White Mountains. It was super intense, but I'm done. I accomplished…
Well, we didn't quite finish the whole hike because we had bad weather
the next day.
Michelle: Ohh.
Lindsay: We had to come down early, but we hiked about 50 percent of the whole
thing.
Michelle: So how long did that take you?
Lindsay: It took us about 12 hours, 11-12 hours of kind of constant hiking.
Michelle: Ohh, my gosh.
Lindsay: We really didn't take too many breaks. The maximum break time we took
was about ten minutes.
Michelle: Really? What?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). It was five mountains.
Michelle: Wow.
Lindsay: So, you get to the top of Mount Washington, you look back and you see a
massive mountain range of five mountains that you've just climbed.
Michelle: Wow.
Lindsay: It is insane. Yeah.
Michelle: That's cool. I did not do that. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] What did you do over the weekend?
Michelle: What did I do? Ohh, I was home. I was home. [laughter]
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: So I got to hang out with my niece and nephew.

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Lindsay: Ohh.
Michelle: And being with my nephew, it sometimes feels like a hike, because he's
very active.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes).
Michelle: And it's very tiring.
Lindsay: They do make you really tired. I'm going to go see Emory, my niece, on
Sunday. I'm going to rent a car and her mom, my sister-in-law, is doing a
marathon. So we're going to go watch her mom. And they're very tiring. I
love hanging out with my niece, but it's exhausting.
Michelle: Ohh, my God.
Lindsay: With a four-year-old, three-year-old, two-year-old. Ohh my God.
Michelle: Yeah. I mean, he's the cutest. Ohh my gosh, I can't even believe how cute
he is, but you definitely need to have the energy. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] How old is, it's Jake, right?
Michelle: Jake. Yeah (yes), Jake. He's – umm -- he’s three years old.
Lindsay: Ohh. It's awesome.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), ohh my gosh. And he is just, I mean, so much energy.
[laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] That's so cool.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), he is hilarious. So funny.
Lindsay: I love that. I love that.
Michelle: Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Well let's start off today, Michelle, saying thank you to some of our
reviewers. Guys, we need your reviews in the iTunes store. Let's say
thank you here to Hassan Dubarrari from the USA. Who else, Michelle?

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Michelle: Underground Learner in 50s from the USA. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Love these names. We have Humber Trope from Brazil.
Michelle: And Allen Gr 28 from Mexico.
Lindsay: And Micky 811 from Italy.
Michelle: And... Uhh ohh. I'm going to, let me, I'm trying. _____ from Indonesia.
Michelle: I'm sorry! [laughter]
Lindsay: That's hard, that's not easy. That's really not easy. Guys, we really need
your reviews. We haven't had any reviews in the last few weeks, and
we're wondering what's going on, guys.
Michelle: Where are you?
Lindsay: If you hear this episode today, right now, going over to the iTunes review
store, leave your review and we will announce your name on the show.
We want to know what you think of All Ears English. So guys, go on over
there and do it. Alright. Cool, Michelle. So what are you talking about
today?
Michelle: We are talking about calling it a day. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Well Michelle, we just started, why do you want to call it a day
already? I mean, we just started recording today. [laughter]
Michelle: Lindsay, I'm just a really tired today. Like, I don't know. Let's call it a day.
I don't know, I'm beat, hooh!
Lindsay: [laughter] Geez Michelle, we just got on this call, like, half an hour ago.
You want to call it a day already?
Michelle: Let's call it a day. No, you know what, okay, fine. We can do it. We can
do it, Lindsay.
Lindsay: [laughter]

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Michelle: I'm going to push through.
Lindsay: So that’s the expression that we're going to show you guys today is the
expression "To call it a day." And I came up with this idea because I was
just out in the world and observing what I say, and what other people say.
So this is straight from native English on the street. This is not, you know,
fabricated in the textbook; this is real for you guys.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: So you can trust that when we teach you this expression today, it's real.
And if you start using it, it really will bring you closer to the native speakers
that you're talking with.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: What do you think about that, Michelle?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), for sure. This is a really conversational phrase. I know I say
this a lot.
Lindsay: Yes.
Michelle: Umm. And I really think that it's a good one. [laughter]
Lindsay: Okay. So good. Yeah (yes). So the phrase is "To call it a day."
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: And Michelle, how do we normally use it? I mean, where does it fall in the
day, what else goes with it?
Michelle: Well, I mean, it's usually, you know, towards the end of the day, of course.
Lindsay: Mhh hmm.
Michelle: And 'Let's call it a day', it's really just, you know, "We're done. We're
done." [laughter]
Lindsay: It's over. I want to -- It means, "I want to stop.” Right?

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Lindsay: And it's kind of a, like a, sometimes it's kind of harsh when you just say, "I
want to stop."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: You know, "I want to stop working. I want to stop listening to this music
or I want to stop eating here." Whatever it is. Like, just calling it a day is a
much more casual, connected way to say it, I think.
Michelle: Right, right. Umm. And something, just to be clear, like, you don’t want to
use it in all situations, just when you want to say to stop something. Like,
my first image is like, "Oh, we're on a roller coaster." [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: And I'm like, "Let's call it a day!"
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: Not in that situation. Guys, let’s be clear. Like, you know, it's more for like,
oh, maybe at the end of the day, or maybe, like, you give that expression
at a restaurant. Maybe you want to say, "Okay, let's leave."
Michelle: Or something like that. But if you're in the middle of eating a sandwich
and you don't like the sandwich, you wouldn't say "Let's call it a day".
Lindsay: That's a good point. That's a really good point.
Michelle: I think it is a little more like the end of an event.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I think it's more for the end of an event, or like a project.
Michelle: Right, right.
Lindsay: A focused period where you're working or you're working on something.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: With someone else. Right?

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Michelle: Right, right, right, right, exactly.
Lindsay: So that's important.
Michelle: [laughter]
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Or even maybe – maybe, you know, you're hitting the tennis
ball with someone, and you're getting tired.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And you're like, "Ohh, let's call it a day, let's go have a beer." Or
something.
Michelle: Perfect. Perfect. Right.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). That would be appropriate way to use it.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I like that. Okay, that's good. I'm glad that we specified there,
because we want to make sure, part of this guys, is using it at the right
time, and we're giving you the phrase that's natural. But if you're putting
it in the wrong places at the wrong time, it's going to look very weird.
[laughter]
Lindsay: We want to help you guys connect.
Michelle: For sure.
Lindsay: Okay, so the first phrase you can use is, “Let's call it a day.” That's the one
I hear the most.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Lindsay: And then, how else might we say it, Michelle?
Michelle: You can also say, "Want to call it a day?"
Lindsay: Mhh hmm.

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Michelle: Like, "What do you think?" You know, it's more putting it on the other
person, more like a suggestion, you know?
Lindsay: Exactly. So it's, like, you could say 'Wanna', "Wanna call it a day?" Right?
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Instead of 'Want to', "Wanna call it a day?"
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And we've talked about wanna, gonna, shoulda, coulda in other episodes,
guys. So come back to AllEarsEnglish.com and type that in the search bar,
and you'll find that. Okay?
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phrases and you're not sure exactly how to use them, and you want to be
able to practice them in a lesson, get the transcripts from today. Go to
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Lindsay: The next one, Michelle, what is it?
Michelle: "Should we call it a day?"
Lindsay: Okay. Another way of just checking in with the person you're -- we're
working with, or playing with, to see what they feel.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Okay?
Lindsay: And the last one is just, "I'm going to call it a day."
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes).

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Lindsay: Okay. So these are not the only places that it could be used in, but these
are just some examples to give you guys a little bit of context where is it
used.
Michelle: Right, right, exactly. And yeah (yes), I mean, as you can see, we have two
questions and two statements. So, obviously the question, it's more
you're asking the other person, and the other one is more, "Okay, you're
done."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it's good. I like that. Because again, it's kind of harsh if we just
say, "I'm going to stop." Or, "Let's stop." Or, "Do you want to stop?" It's
just a little too formal.
Michelle: "I'm done." Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Little too abrupt. You need another way to soften what you're about to
say.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: That's so funny, like, "Let's call it a day." Like, what does that even mean?
It's so funny to think of.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I guess it makes sense, though. I think it's kind of intuitive.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: It's like, "Let's call it the end of the day."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: It's end of the day. Like, it probably goes back to, like, I don't know, like,
mining cultures or something on... Guys were in the mines all day and,
you know, or some kind of heavy industrial work.
Michelle: Who knows?
Lindsay: That's my guess. I have no idea.

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Lindsay: Origin of the phrase. [laughter]
Michelle: [laughter] That's a good theory, yeah (yes).
Lindsay: It's a theory. [laughter] It's all a theory, Michelle. [laughter]
Lindsay: How do you pronounce it, though? How do we actually say it so that it
sounds natural?
Michelle: Yeah (yes). So, you know, you really want to, you know, connect things
together, right? To roll your words together. So, let's call it a day. Call it a
day. Right? So, you're not going to say, like, "Let's call it a day."
Michelle: You know, like, "Let's call it a day." Call it a day. It sounds like one word.
Lindsay: Call-it-a-day. Good.
Michelle: It sounds like a medication or something.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), exactly. And again, we're teaching you guys the American
English. Not British English. So, British English, I'm not sure if they use this
expression in British English.
Michelle: I don't know.
Lindsay: They would pronounce it differently, obviously. But if you're listening to

this podcast, then you know that you're mostly getting American English.
Occasionally, we have guests on the show who are British but…
Lindsay: Or Australian.
Michelle: I don't know if I just put on a little British accent there. I'm not sure.
Lindsay: You did. That's cool.
Michelle: I'm sorry. [laughter]

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Lindsay: [laughter] No, that's fun. I love accents, I find them really interesting.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), ohh, I especially love the British accent.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes)? You like it better than the Australian accent?
Michelle: Mmm, the two of them. They're both excellent. I don't know.
Lindsay: I love the Aussie accent.
Michelle: I don't know if I can choose one, but I love them both.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: I really do. I kind of wish I had one. [laughter]
Lindsay: That's awesome.
Michelle: Anyway, so call it a day sounds like, "Oh, don't take call-it-a-day if you are
taking other medication."
Lindsay: [laughter] Sounds like a medication to you?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). So but yeah (yes), we do roll it together,
right? Let's call-it-a-day. Anyway.
Lindsay: We do roll it together. And then, so we know that it means to finish

whatever we're doing.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: If it's a project, or we're working on something, or playing a game,

something like that. But then there's got to be a few other ways to say
something similar in this kind of, like, casual way. Right? So we're going to
give you guys three other ways to say something kind of similar, not to say
exactly the same thing, but to say something similar.
Michelle: Okay.
Lindsay: So what would be the first one, Michelle?
Michelle: I like this one. "Let's throw in the towel."

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Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "Throw in the towel." So the difference, for you Michelle, is
there any clear difference in the meaning? I mean, they're very similar,
but what's the difference in the meaning "Let's call it a day" and "Let's
throw in the towel?"
Michelle: "Throw in the towel" is more, like, maybe you're giving up. Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Michelle: You decide to quit something, right? "Ah, let's throw in the towel." Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Sometimes it can mean you completely quit trying to do
something.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Right?
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: And you can also use it in the same way, "Let's throw in the towel for
today." It doesn't necessarily mean that you are quitting the project, it
just means for the day you're quitting. Right?
Michelle: Right. Right, right, right, right.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So that could be used, this phrase could be used, to mean a
few different things. That's why we have to pay attention to the context
when we're talking to people and just really try to figure out what they're
saying, what they mean.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), like somebody might say like, "Ohh, I'm not ready to throw in
the towel just yet." Right?
Lindsay: Mm, yeah (yes). That means you're not ready to give up on something.

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Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Or to stop working on it, right.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Okay. And then the next two are much more, well, are more similar to the
meaning of "Let's call it a day".
Lindsay: So the next one is what?
Michelle: "Let's wrap it up," I like that one.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "Let's wrap it up". Also, I think we have actually taught this
phrase, guys. We did an episode on this way back, like in the first 20
episodes. So if you come back to AllEarsEnglish.com and you type in
'Wrap up', we do have that. There's an article on that. So "Let's wrap it
up", and then the last one is, "Let's finish this up".
Michelle: Mm. Okay.
Michelle: Both good.
Lindsay: So again, guys, you learn this phrase and then you want to learn a few
variations, so you're not always saying the same thing. Because that's part
of becoming a more dynamic speaker. That's what we want to do.
Michelle: For sure. Yeah (yes). No, I really like all of these.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I think this… I think it's, like, sometimes it's these simple little
changes that we can make in our English, guys, they can really help us
connect. It's not the big, huge thing; it's not necessarily hours of studying
in the library with a textbook. It's the little things that you can insert, but
it only will happen if you try, if you experiment with these words.

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Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). So, give it a try and, yeah (yes), so
should we try it out, Lindsay?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), let's do it, Michelle. So, here we go. Let's see. So
I'll be A, and can you be B?
Michelle: I would love to be B. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Okay.
Michelle: I was hoping you would assign me B. [laughter]
Lindsay: Okay Michelle, you got it, you got it.
Michelle: I feel like I'm much more in touch with that character.
Lindsay: [laughter] Awesome.
Michelle: Okay.
Lindsay: Okay, so here we go. So, is this still a good time to chat about her new
project?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), definitely. Let me just close these browsers on my screen. I'm
so scattered these days.
Lindsay: Ohh, I know, me too.
Michelle: So we have a lot of things to get done now. We need to look at budgeting,
travel logistics, the teaching frameworks and food and lodging.
Lindsay: Wow, that's a lot.
Michelle: I didn't realize we'd have so much to go over today.
Lindsay: I know, it's a bit much. Why don't we get through food and lodging, and
then we'll call it a day. We can talk about the other stuff next week.

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Michelle: Sounds like a plan.
Lindsay: Okay. So two overwhelmed coworkers.
Lindsay: Trying to figure out what to do first.
Michelle: Yes, yes, yes.
Lindsay: Without realizing you have a mountain of work.
Michelle: [laughter] Ohh, yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Does that happen to you? Like, you start a project and then the work, your
awareness of how much work there is, just gets huge?
Michelle: Of course! [laughter]
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it happens, right?
Michelle: Yes, yes it does. [laughter]
Lindsay: So, how did we use "Call it a day" in this conversation, Michelle?
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Well, yeah (yes), we're talking about all the things that we
need to do and then I said, "I didn't realize it’d be so much," and we both
kind of had this mutual realization of all the things we had to do. So you
said, you know, "We'll do this and then we'll call it a day." "So then we'll
call it a day."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I said, "Why don't we just get through food and lodging."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Looking at those topics. Because we're organizing a trip, and then we'll
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Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: So that's it, but I think that's a pretty accurate use of that phrase. What do
you think, Michelle?
Michelle: Absolutely, absolutely. This is really natural. This is exactly how you might
hear it.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), and I think that in this case it kind of builds rapport. Again,
we're showing you guys phrases that kind of build, bring you closer to
someone. It's hard to kind of articulate this, Michelle, but I do think that
using this phrase here we could build a rapport between the two
colleagues because... Well, I mean, it's like you're saying, "Yeah (yes), let's
finish it up, you know, it's a lot for both of us. We're together in this."
Michelle: Right. Right.
Lindsay: "And let's call it a day." There's a sense of togetherness in that statement.
Michelle: Right. Because it's not just one person saying, "You know what? I really
don't want to do this anymore." This is saying, like, "Okay, we're doing
this together. We're both kind of tired."
Michelle: And, you know, this is not just, like, you don't want to do it, and I want to.
Lindsay: Exactly. I love that. That's what I like about that. I think this phrase is
useful for you guys. And we also want to highlight a couple of other bonus
phrases today, Michelle, that we threw out in this role play that our
listeners could really make use of. Okay?
Michelle: Okay.
Lindsay: Just to give a little extension today, guys.
Michelle: Okay.

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Lindsay: So what do we have? We had "To go over."
Michelle: Right, right. Like to, ah, like, to review or to do. Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "I didn't realize we'd have so much to go over today." Right?
"To go through, to get through, to do, to take care of."
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Guys, this again is a phrasal verb that you really could start using and you
could start using it very strategically. Okay?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), absolutely. So, yeah (yes), I like how you said, "It's a bit much."
Lindsay: Ohh, so natural.
Lindsay: So natural. [laughter]
Lindsay: I said, "I know, it's a bit much."
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: You guys use that. Seriously, I mean. You know, you will be really very
natural with your English. And I know that that's what you guys want. So
it's just so natural to me. Yeah (yes)? [laughter]
Michelle: Ohh, yeah (yes). I would definitely say this. "It's a bit much."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Absolutely. And then we said, "Why don't we just get through
food and lodging." Okay? So we're going to take care of those two topics,
we're going to organize those topics.
Michelle: That reminds me... Ohh, sorry.

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Lindsay: Yeah (yes), go ahead.
Michelle: No, it reminds me, didn't we do an episode about through and...
Michelle: What was it? Then we talked about, yeah (yes), what's the difference
between through and throughout.
Lindsay: Through.
Michelle: We said through was, like, from one end to the other, right?
Lindsay: That's a good point, yeah (yes).
Michelle: Guys, go back and search, I don't know what episode number it was but...
Michelle: Yeah (yes), go ahead and search it, search for it.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I just typed through, T H R O U G H in the search bar at

AllEarsEnglish.com and you guys will get that, come up with that. I like
that. That was a good episode, Michelle.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), that was fun. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] And then the last thing that you said was...?
Michelle: I said, "Sounds like a plan."
Lindsay: "Sounds like a plan." Again, super natural, super native. Okay?
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: I love that. So we've given you guys, the core phrase today is, "To call it a
day." That's really the one that we want you to take away from today,
that's the most important, and we've given you three or four bonuses that

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I think you guys are ready for. You're ready to start inserting these bonus
phrases into your conversations. I know you can do it, guys. And
remember, the dialogues are not available on the website. So the only way
to get them is to grab the transcript. So go on over to
AllEarsEnglish.com/transcripts and download today's transcript today.
Okay?
Michelle: Okay, awesome. Well, should we call it a day?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I think we should call it a day, Michelle.
Lindsay: This has been great. Thanks so much for hanging out. [laughter]
Michelle: Alright. Thank you, and thanks you guys for listening and talk to you soon.
Lindsay: Take care!
Michelle: Bye!
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AEE Episode 611: How Connection Prevents Addiction and What It

Means for Your Life
Announcer: This is an All Ears English podcast Episode 611: "How Connection Prevents
Addiction and What It Means for Your Life"
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York City, U.S.A.
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Announcer: Today we discuss an interesting TED talk about how connection between
people can reduce addiction in a community. What can you learn from
this as you design your ideal lifestyle? Find out today.
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Lindsay: What's going on, Michelle? How are you feeling today?
Michelle: I'm good. How are you, Lindsay?
Lindsay: Ohh, I'm feeling pretty good because I just found a really cool TED talk that
I thought was so kind of, pertinent, so key, so on topic for our podcast
because it's about connection. And our podcast is all about connection.
Did you see it, Michelle?
Michelle: I did, I did. Thank you for sending that to me. That was really, really
interesting and, for sure, made me think of our podcast. And we'll talk
about why.
Lindsay: Yes, we will. First of all, the name of the TED Talk, guys, is... It's by Johann
Hari and it's called "Everything You Think You Know about Addiction Is
Wrong". Okay?
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: So, speaking of addiction, one thing that comes to mind when I think
about addiction is it's really, I think, addiction right now, especially when it
comes to drugs in the US, like heroin, for example, like street drugs,
they've kind of moved from the inner cities to the suburbs. And I don't
know if you've seen this in your hometown area, Michelle, but what I've
seen in my hometown... I grew up in, like, a very kind of safe, traditional,
middle-class, hometown in the middle of southwestern New Hampshire
and nothing ever happened in that town.
Michelle: Right.

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Lindsay: But now they're, like... Last time I visited there were, like, drug addicts
kind of wandering around the downtown area.
Michelle: Hmm.
Lindsay: And I've heard about, like, my parents', like, friends' kids getting addicted
to heroin and painkillers. Like, the drugs are now no longer in the cities
because, well, they are, of course, in the cities still, but it's not that same
drug epidemic that it was in the 70's and the 80's because Soho, for
example, is now just yuppies, right?
Michelle: Mhh-hmm.
Lindsay: It's shopping and yuppies, whereas it used to be, there used to be a lot of
drugs downtown, right? So they've moved from the inner cities to the
suburbs. So that's a trend that we're seeing right now in the U.S. Have
you seen that in your area, like, the Maryland, Baltimore area?
Michelle: I for sure heard about it.
Michelle: I know, and I definitely have heard about things like what you're saying
umm.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Michelle: But, yeah (yes). I... Yeah (yes). You're right. I know about this.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). It's shocking, shocking. And it's sad. I mean, just to see your
hometown... To go and see your hometown going down in terms of
safety, in terms of, like, the quality of the people that are around. But in
the end it comes down to addiction. These people are addicted. So that's
what we're talking about today. That's what we're talking about today
guys, is addiction. And, like, what creates it and how does connection kind
of prevent addiction.
Michelle: Mhh-hmm. Mhh-hmm.

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Lindsay: Because our show is all about connection. And when I saw this topic I was
like, "Wow!" So, you know, connection is what we believe in. And it's not
only just great to have in our lives, but it could actually, maybe it could
actually even prevent addiction to different things.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And we're not just talking about drugs when we talk about addiction,
right?
Lindsay: A lot of things we can become addicted to.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), absolutely.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: You can be addicted to food. [laughter]
Lindsay: Ohh, yeah (yes). We could be addicts to TV, movies, food, right? Netflix.
Lindsay: Even our email, which, I would admit I am addicted to checking my email.
[laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes). Ohh, I think I am, too.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So what was the TED talk about, Michelle? What was the
experiment? Do you remember when he talked about an experiment that
was done in the ‘70s...
Michelle: Yes.
Lindsay: With putting rats in cages. Can you kind of summarize that for our
listeners?
Michelle: Yeah (yes). So it was an experiment in the 1970s where there was a rat in
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Michelle: One of the bottles of water had heroin in it and one of the bottles of water
was regular heroin.
Lindsay: I mean, regular heroin? [laughter]
Michelle: Regular water [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Heroin and the one with water. No, no, no.
Michelle: Heroin or another drug, right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Michelle: And... Ohh, wait. No. I think it was just heroin in the water.
Lindsay: Sorry. Ahh. Yeah (yes), you either had water or drugs.
Michelle: Or heroin.
Lindsay: So what... Yeah (yes), exactly.
Michelle: And so, well, what happened was that the rats would tend towards the
heroin water, umm, and they, you know, the idea was that the rat would
become an addict and eventually die. Right?
Lindsay: Exactly.
Michelle: But then what happened, Lindsay?
Lindsay: But then they started to think, "Okay, what is going on?" Because this rat,
of course, this rat is becoming addicted to the heroin, to the drugs,
because the rat is alone, okay? So the rat's alone in his cage with nothing
else to do.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: So then they tried a new experiment. And they found that when they put
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Lindsay: You get a lot of cheese, a lot of other rats, rats just playing with each
other, having fun. What happened? They didn't like the drug water.
Lindsay: Right? They found that none of them used it compulsively, none of them
overdosed. So from what he said in the video, again, you guys can watch
the video yourselves, you can probably look up the study online, it went
from 100 percent overdose in the solo rat cage, when they were isolated,
to zero percent overdose when they were in the rat park with other rats.
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: So that's really interesting.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). Definitely.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). And then he talked a little bit about the Vietnam War. And I
didn't know that during that time 20 percent of American troops were
using heroin. I mean, that's what he quoted. So we have to do some
backup research to check on that, but apparently, that was what he had
found in his research.
Lindsay: Right?
Michelle: And...
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), go ahead.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), and they were, you know, they were worried that they would
have, you know, a lot of heroin addicts on the streets and, you know,
when they got back, but they didn't... They didn't go into withdrawal
actually, 95 percent of them stopped using drugs. I mean, again, that's
what the guy says in the video.
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Lindsay: Why was that? What did they say? that it was because they had a social
connection, the vets coming back?
Michelle: Umm. I don't remember. Is that what they said?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I don't remember that piece, but I think that must've been it,
because those vets must have had, they had families to come back to. I
think that's what it was. They had families to come back to, they had a
social kind of fabric of their lives, they had connection.
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Okay. So then... So then the scientists are to going ask, like, "What if
addiction is really more about the cage that you create around yourself?"
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: I mean, we have this natural need to bond, as he said in the video.
Michelle: Yes.
Lindsay: But if you're not able to bond because you're kind of in a bad place in life,
you'll probably bond with something else. And it could be a drug, it could
be alcohol, it could be food, it could be your cell phone. [laughter]
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), we have this need for connection as human beings and even
the rats have it, right?
Michelle: And something has to fulfill that need.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), and I thought it was really interesting where he talked about
the experiment that was done in Portugal. Do you remember that one,
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Lindsay: Remember what they're doing?
Michelle: I remember the prisoners and something about when they had...
[laughter] Gosh, I remember the next part where he talks about how it is
in Portugal now, but...
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So he said that they used to have a major addiction problem in
Portugal, right?
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And then they decided to decriminalize drugs.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And instead of to... Instead of using that money to put the criminals, like,
in jail and lock them away...
Michelle: And punish them. Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: They spent that money... Right, to punish them. They spent that money
to, kind of, help people reconnect.
Lindsay: Like, to help them find jobs.
Michelle: Connect them to the community.
Lindsay: Connect them to the community, micro loans, starting small businesses.
And their idea was that every addict should have a purpose. I think that's
so interesting. That is so counter to what we do with our criminals.
Lindsay: Right.
Michelle: Because they're saying, you know, if you... I think they said something like
1 percent was addicted or something like that, which is...

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Michelle: Which is pretty high and, you know, when you make it, like, "Ohh, you're
on drugs.", like, "You need to be punished", you know, these people really
need help.
Lindsay: Right.
Michelle: And so punishing them is only... It's really... seems counterproductive.
Lindsay: Right. And it's, like, what kind of help do they need? Apparently,
according to this TED talk, and these studies, the kind of help that they
need is actually connection and purpose.
Lindsay: Right. And that's, you know, that's so different from what we do. And he
shared the statistic that drug use in Portugal is now down by 50 percent.
Michelle: Wow, that's amazing.
Lindsay: So if any of our listeners here are from Portugal... I don't think I've ever
met a listener from Portugal, but we must have a few… I'd love it if you
would write in and tell us if this is really true. Like, what's actually, you
know... Because sometimes the story we hear from the U.S. is not the
story that's actually happening. Like, give us some real data, some real
information, your story. What have you seen in Portugal with this project?
While I like the idea of flipping the script on the way that we treat
criminals. And really understanding what causes addiction, it's lack of
connection. So if you go ahead and you keep these prisoners isolated
without a purpose and without connection, they're just going to continue
to stay addicted.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: Right?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), very interesting. Very interesting.
Lindsay: So then it comes back to ourselves. Like, puts this all back on us. What
does this mean for us? You know, I mean, we want to encourage you guys
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maybe a few here and there, people experiment with drugs and, you
know, that is what it is, but what are your addictions? You know, smart
phones? Are you addicted to your smart phones? What about your
connections on Facebook? Are they real connections?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), that's what... He talked about that, didn't he? About how, you
know, like really, really connecting with people and being in person, right?
Didn't he? I can't remember.
Lindsay: He did. Ohh, he did.
Lindsay: He talked about, you know, "You may have 500 Facebook friends, but if
you are in a real crisis, you'll... All of a sudden you'll see who your true
connections are."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: You'll see that only a few of them -- two, three, four maybe -- will actually
be by your side.
Lindsay: You know? And it really does, the crisis is where the clarity comes in.
Michelle: Mm. Mm. Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: And he also cited... He gave us an interesting quote about the number of
close friends the average American, yeah (yes), can call in, call on, in a
crisis. What did he say there, Michelle?
Michelle: Umm. He said that it's actually been declining since the '50s, but the
average amount of floor space... What does that mean?
Lindsay: Meaning average size of people's homes.
Michelle: Ohh, of people's actual...
Lindsay: [laughter] Yes.

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Michelle: Ohh, wow. Has been going up. Hmm.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), so isn't that interesting?
Lindsay: So what we've done as a culture is, like, we've put our dreams, our stock,
not into building a connected life, connections, social connections, we put
it into building a big house.
Michelle: Mm. Yeah (yes). I think... I just feel that, you know, we feel like we're so
connected with people online, on Facebook. And, you know, even people
from high school, like, I know what's going on in their lives, but I haven't
spoken to them since I graduated.
Lindsay: And would you... And if they all of a sudden posted like, "Ohh", like, "my
whoever just died." "Someone in my family just died."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: You might write a note, "I'm so sorry." But would you get on the phone
with them, if they called you? Would you really... How would you feel?
Would it be weird? Yeah (yes), of course it'd be weird.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), I mean, especially, I mean, that there are a couple of people
that I really do stay in touch with.
Lindsay: Sure. Of course.
Michelle: And yeah (yes), but out of all those people that, you know, you graduated
high school with, and you're like, "I'm going to be friends with you
forever." Like, I would say that I could in a crisis call on two, which is
actually not bad.
Lindsay: It's not bad. And that's fine. I mean... So it's... It's a little bit freaky and I
think it's a little eerie the fact that Facebook can give us this false sense of
connection.
Lindsay: In some ways, and I don't know. I just find the statistics fascinating.

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Lindsay: The way that, in the U.S., we've put so much emphasis on what we have.
And I think this is starting to change. Like, you see people... You see the
Tiny House movement, right? You see how people...
Michelle: Ohh, right. Wait. Did you do that?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). We didn't talk about that last week.
Michelle: No, you talked about that, but I didn't get to hear about how it went.
Lindsay: Ohh, I did it, yeah (yes).
Michelle: Hmmm_______
Lindsay: I did it. So we rented these tiny houses and we... Ohh, yeah (yes). That's
a good example. So what happened, we spent the whole weekend outside
around the campfire, hiking mountains, laughing, drinking beer, and
doing... Roasting marshmallows.
Michelle: That's awesome.
Lindsay: As a group. Connection. Why? Because we couldn't be in our houses,

there was no space to be in the houses.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: Okay. So I think that's one trend that's happening. I think we're moving
away from this idea that we need the big house, the McMansion they call
it, right?
Michelle: Right. Well, you know, I mean, to be honest, that's something that I...
That I... [laughter] I'm a city person, so I personally would rather, like, be
in the city and, like, have a smaller place and, like, really be able to go out
and, like, yeah (yes). Like, right near my apartment, the other night, there
was just, like, a movie outside, just outside of my apartment. Outdoor
movie.
Lindsay: Mm.

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Michelle: And like, I feel like that would be, like, so nice to bring my, you know, if I
have children one day, you know, do those kinds of things and, you know.
There are good things about the suburbs and the big house and you have
the backyard and people would definitely argue for that. But for me, I
personally like, you know, being a little bit more scrunched in.
Michelle: I don't know, maybe I should get a tiny house.
Lindsay: Ohh. Well, that actually brings up what I think is the most interesting
question today. Are New Yorkers, I'm not saying specifically you Michelle,
but New Yorkers often complain of being lonely despite being surrounded
by thousands of people every day.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: So I don't know if... I don't know if being in the city is necessarily the
answer to being disconnected. Do you know what I mean?
Lindsay: Like, you can be in New York City for a weekend and do all these different
things and not talk to anyone.
Michelle: That's true. Yeah (yes), I know. That's a good point. [laughter]
Lindsay: No, but that's really interesting. Because I think that's what a lot of... I
mean, I did that a few times when I first moved to New York. I was
extremely disconnected and lonely.
Michelle: Me too, me too.
Lindsay: You know? So... [laughter] But I agree with you, Michelle. I like the city
life. I like having a lot of things to do and I think here, or, like, what I'm
getting out of this, is, like, I want to do things with people.
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Michelle: No, you're right. And I think... And sometimes in the suburbs, like, people
end up, like, really do having a sense of community. So I don't know.
Michelle: I guess what I'm saying is more the size of the house. Yeah (yes). I don't...
[laughter] I don't necessarily feel the need to have, like, a giant house.
Lindsay: No, no.
Michelle: That's just me. But different people value different things, and that's
cool that they are that way.
Lindsay: Well, I think that's also your generation. Like, I think that the millennial
generation is coming around to that, as we're seeing those changes in city
life, in tiny houses, even in things like using Uber.
Lindsay: You know, like, we're willing to share a ride, Uberpool. Like, we don't
need to have our own car. We can pool up with other people to get from
the Lower East Side to the West Village or something.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Okay. Yeah (yes).
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Lindsay: So...
Michelle: Go ahead.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), this is... I feel like we could talk for hours, Michelle, on this.
This is... [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes). Interesting one.
Lindsay: What?
Michelle: I said, "An interesting one."
Lindsay: This is really interesting and I'm looking forward to hearing our listeners
chime in here. But what can we do to tie into... So, this show is about
Connection NOT Perfection ™, that is our slogan, that's our value, that's
what we believe, that's what we want for you guys. So how can you
increase your connection just alone in your, specifically in your English? I
mean, we've talked about this before. But what can we do? Focus on
Connection NOT Perfection ™, obviously. What else, Michelle?
Michelle: Well, you know, it can be... Especially depending on your time and your
situation, like, it can be tempting to get a textbook and sit in your room
with that textbook.
Lindsay: Ohh, yeah (yes).
Michelle: But you're not connecting with anybody. You're not really practicing, and
so, you know, it's important to get out. Like, you could join a Meetup,
right? That's something that you could do. Maybe... Maybe you don't
know that many people, you know, in your area, but there are always
different ways to meet people. Join a Meetup, join some sort of book club
or anything, just to continue to practice and connect with people. And that
will ultimately lead to a better... Better skills in English.
Lindsay: Exactly, and that's what we want for you guys. I mean, that's why we're
basing this entire show on that value, because we know you guys know,
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seeing through this study that literally connection prevents things like
addiction. I mean, we're seeing just how important it is to us as human
beings from a biological sense, from a physical sense.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: It's real from a chemical sense. It's really interesting.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: So how... Mhh hmm. Go ahead, I'm sorry.
Michelle: Sorry. Umm, like... I mean, I'm just thinking about this show. I mean,
even as an example, I mean, that's why... This is not a plug to get reviews,
but...
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: I'm saying, like, when we connect with you guys, when we hear from you
guys, it's so important because we're feeling like we're connected to you.
So we don't...
Lindsay: Mm.
Michelle: We don't see you when we're doing this show and...
Michelle: And so that's why it's true. Like, I think that bond with the listeners is so
important. And so when we feel connected to you, and when we hear
from you, it's like, "Wow!" If we didn't hear from anybody, it would be
like, "Ohh, is there anybody there?"
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: But, like, the fact that we kind of have this open conversation going. But
also, you know, with this podcast, you know, even though you listen to this
show, it's still important to find other opportunities to practice and
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Lindsay: Definitely, definitely. This can't be the only thing. That's a good point,
Michelle. I miss... Sometimes I really do miss being in the classroom as a
classroom teacher, because I don't work with any students one-on-one, or
even in the classroom anymore, and I miss that connection, right?
Michelle: Mm. Yeah (yes), that’s a good thing.
Lindsay: Because according to this study...
Lindsay: That's what we need. [laughter]
Lindsay: And, I mean, if we want to look on a broader level, because it's never... It's
not just about our English, but it's also about how we set up our lifestyle.
What are some of the things that we can do to design our... I like the
concept of designing our life, right? Lifestyle design. How can we design
our life for more connection?
Michelle: Well, we talked about tiny houses, right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). [laughter] Not everyone can live in a tiny house, but if you're
into it. It's... I think it would... Especially if you were... What would be
really cool is if you were in a tiny house community.
Lindsay: Where there are many tiny houses and they have, like, campfires and
places to hang out with other people in your neighborhood.
Lindsay: Because you wouldn't want to be in your house very much.
Michelle: I do like the idea of, like, being in a neighborhood and being close with all
your neighbors. Like, my husband's, well, our friends, our group of friends,
like, we have this joke that we're going to live in a cul-de-sac, like
everybody in the same cul-de-sac, and just be outside all the time and,
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Michelle: And, you know, and so I'm, like, "That would be really nice." Because it
is...
Michelle: So, in some ways, that way we're going back to the suburbs versus the
city. It would be a lot more interactive than what I have now.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), that's a good point. I mean, that's the situation that I... Well, I
grew up in kind of a small neighborhood, but I guess our neighbors weren't
as connected. We'd have, like, a block party once or twice a year, but it
wasn't the same thing. [laughter]
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: But another thing that we could do when we're traveling, guys, is you
could choose to do something like couchsurfing.com instead of staying in
hotels. So, it's a little bit uncomfortable, but what happens when you
check into a hotel? I mean, especially if you're traveling alone, this is...
Lindsay: Good advice. You check into a hotel and you're really by yourself. It can
often be kind of, in my mind, it can be kind of bland and lonely.
Lindsay: But when you couchsurf, what you do is you're part of this online network
and you reach out to someone. Please reach out to people with lots of
reviews because safety is an issue. Especially if you're a woman traveling
alone, be very careful.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: But when... If you have a great host, you have a nice connection with this
person. You have dinner with them, they take you around their city and
show you their city, and it's free.
Michelle: Right. Wow.

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Lindsay: And that saved me from a lot of loneliness on my trip this summer.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). That's great.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). It's a little bit uncomfortable. Like, it's a little bit putting you
out of your comfort zone, but every time I, like, finished up, like, when I
left my host's place, I felt connected, and I felt good.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: I felt full in my heart.
Michelle: Ohh, that's great.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So things like that, guys. Or join a run club. If you like to run,
join a run club. You like to hike, join a hiking club. Any other ideas about
how to build more connection into our lives, Michelle? Anything?
Michelle: Mm. Umm, not off the top of my head. I think that those are really good.
Yeah (yes). Like, for me, I would join like a book club or... I mean, or even
if you... Like, some places they have, like, restaurants have weekly events,
like, a weekly open mic or something. Maybe you're not the type of
person who's going to get up and do something, but maybe you're going
to meet somebody there, right?
Michelle: Who's, like, all in it, too, you know, for some event rather than... Some
more intimate event, rather than just sitting in a restaurant and eating
and, like, you may just talk to, you know, one person that you're with or
whatever.
Michelle: That's an idea.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I love it. Just make an effort, make little changes, try to sign
up for things, guys. I mean, this to me, you know, this is just one or two
studies and one TED talk, but I would encourage you guys to go on over
and check out the TED talk. We'll leave a link to the talk. We'll actually

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just embed the video into our website, into our blog. So come back to
allearsenglish.com, type in 611. If you want to get the transcripts from
today, go to AllEarsEnglish.com/transcripts and think about this. I mean,
it's interesting. This show is all about connection, guys. And now we've
seen that connection actually can prevent... Can help to reduce things like
addiction and things that make our life difficult and hard and sad. So...
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: I love that. Such an interesting concept.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah. Definitely. Awesome.
Lindsay: Awesome.
Michelle: Well, I'm glad we talked about this.
Lindsay: Me, too, Michelle. I want to keep thinking about this and find more
material on this. I find this really interesting. Alright.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). Cool, Michelle. Thanks for hanging out today.
Michelle: Thank you, have a good one. Bye guys.
Lindsay: Take care. Bye.
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AEE Episode 612: I Guess Versus I Think Versus I Suppose in English
Announcer: This is an All Ears English podcast episode 612: “I Guess Versus I Think
Versus I Suppose in English.”
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Michelle: Hey (hi) Lindsay, how are you?
Lindsay: Hey (hi), Michelle. I'm doing well. It's a Wednesday, so feeling pretty
good about that. [laughter]
Michelle: Yes. Wednesdays are wonderful days.
Lindsay: Wonderful Wednesdays.
Michelle: Almost done with the week. That's right.
Lindsay: I know, I know, I know.
Michelle: [laughter] Umm. Well good, good. Do you have any fun plans for the
weekend?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), this weekend I'm doing a meditation retreat, actually. On
Saturday I'm just going to my meditation center, going to sit in meditation
from 9 a.m. until 5 p.m. [laughter]
Michelle: The whole time meditating?
Michelle: Wow.
Lindsay: [laughter] And then I'm going to see my niece on Sunday.
Michelle: Aww.
Lindsay: I'm going to go rent a car and drive up there to New Hampshire and spend
time with her. So that will be fun.
Michelle: Aww, how sweet. That's good.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). What about you? Anything going on?
Michelle: I have a wedding tomorrow, actually.
Lindsay: Ooh. Very nice, very nice.

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Michelle: So excited about that.
Lindsay: Cool.
Michelle: And then, I don't. I don't know where the weekend will take me, but...
[laughter]
Lindsay: Yes. Well, you can be spontaneous, Michelle. It's good.
Michelle: Yes. A little bit. A little bit. Sunday will be Spontaneous Sunday.
Lindsay: [laughter] Very nice.
Michelle: Awesome. So today, what are we talking about, Lindsay, today?
Lindsay: Well, we got a question from a listener.
Michelle: Mhh hmm
Lindsay: And again, we want to remind our listeners, guys, if you want to get all the
details on today's episode, get the transcript. So go to
AllEarsEnglish.com/transcripts and grab those, so that you can follow line
by line so you can really learn today. Michelle, today we got a question
from a listener about the differences between "Guess" and also "reckon."
Michelle: And "Think."
Lindsay: And "Think."
Michelle: And "Suppose."
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: All these types of things, right?
Michelle: Yeah (yes). So we got a listener email, right. Jarra?
Lindsay: Yes.

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Michelle: Thank you for this -- this message. This is a really good question. Who's
going to read the question? Shall I do it?
Lindsay: I'll read the question this time. How about that?
Michelle: Okay! Lindsay is going to read the question.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Lindsay: It's something new, something different.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). We're switching it up on you guys.
Lindsay: Switching it up. We like to keep it dynamic.
Michelle: Yes, here we go.
Lindsay: So we say, "Hello, I know there's a lesson 442 about a word "Guess" and
"Reckon." So we did do a lesson about the differences between those
two. "I'd like to know more about the word "Reckon" as when I'm
unsure..."
Michelle: Yes.
Lindsay: "I start a sentence with ‘I guess.’"
Michelle: Wait, so it says, "I'd like to know more about the word "I guess."
Lindsay: I guess, right. Sorry. About the expression, "I guess."
Michelle: Yes.
Lindsay: "Because when I'm unsure, I start a sentence with ‘I guess.’" Okay, thank
you, Michelle.
Lindsay: "I was told by an Englishman that it's better to say "I think."
Unfortunately, I do not remember the whole sentence, as this happened
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the words "I guess, I think and I suppose" in American culture? Are these
words synonyms or are there some subtle differences? Maybe a topic for
another episode, maybe not. Thanks for your podcast, Jarra." Thanks,
Jarra, good question.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), so guess what? It is a topic for an episode!
Lindsay: It is a topic. And I'm wondering, Michelle, from this question, was she also
asking about "I'd say"?
Michelle: I know! I saw that, too. I'm not sure.
Lindsay: I don't know. We can add that in as a bonus maybe at the end. So we'll
see, we'll see. [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). I'm not exactly sure, but yeah (yes). Okay. So
really good question, really good question.
Lindsay: Yes.
Michelle: I like this. And yeah (yes), I mean, first off, let's start with the "Reckon."
Get that one out of the way.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), because we did do this on another podcast.
Michelle: So, what do you think about "Reckon," Lindsay?
Lindsay: Well, first of all, I definitely don't use it in an urban, kind of 20/30-
something lifestyle, professional lifestyle, here in Cambridge Mass. I never
hear it.
Lindsay: It's not modern.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), I don't hear it either. I mean, I was curious because,
Lindsay, I mean, I thought maybe this has to do something with our part of
the country, or the fact that we're in more, you know, cities.
Lindsay: Right, did you hear it all in your travels this summer?

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Lindsay: Oh, around the U.S.? No, actually, I don't think so.
Lindsay: I don't think I heard it this summer, but I know I have heard it, like, in old
Western movies.
Lindsay: And I know I've heard it from Australian colleagues.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: I used to have some close friends from Australia that I worked with in
Japan, and they would say it.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). And I think that's what we talked about in this episode, that
Jarra's writing about.
Lindsay: Mhh hmm. Yeah (yes), I think so. So yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Depending on where you are.
Michelle: So, I mean, really "Reckon" isn't really, I mean, at least here, that's not
really something that I would say, and it's not something Lindsay says.
Lindsay: No.
Michelle: But, "I think", and "I guess", and "Suppose", that's a different story. Right?
Lindsay: Sure, yeah (yes).
Michelle: So let's start with, "I think".
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: Okay. What do you think about "I think", Lindsay?

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Lindsay: [laughter] Yeah (yes), I think when it comes to "I think"... [laughter]
Lindsay: Well, I believe...
Michelle: I believe, okay.
Lindsay: I believe that "I think" sounds a bit more sure than "I guess". If it has to be
a spectrum that we're setting up here, "I think" is often more firm than "I
guess". Because "I guess" is kind of, like, "Ahh, I guess, I guess." Right?
But I think it's more stating your belief.
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Right, so you're more sure about it. So I mean, it can also, it
can be used to talk about not being positive about something, and
obviously, of course, to express your opinion, but here we're talking about
the first way, right? So, for example, it's, like, "I think so, but I'm not
sure." Or what else, Lindsay?
Lindsay: "I think the restaurant is open now, we should go this weekend."
Michelle: Right. And also you can say, "I don't think." Right? "Ohh, I don't think. I
don't think she's from Spain, I think she's from somewhere." You know?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), and I think that using "I think" is used often as a softener.
Michelle: Yes.
Lindsay: Right.
Michelle: It's protecting us from being wrong.
Lindsay: It's used in so many ways, also as a social softener, in the sense of, if you
say something like, "I don't like this dish." Instead you say, "I don't think I
like this dish."
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Lindsay: So what's the difference between the two? It's if that person you're talking
to made this dish... [laughter]
Lindsay: You're softening what you're saying. Like, you're not, you're trying to
soften the bad news.
Lindsay: Trying to make it less direct.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). So "I think" sounds a little bit more sure than "I
guess". Right?
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: So, "I guess" is, I asked my husband about this, and I said, "What's your
opinion on this, with ‘I think’ and ‘I guess?’”
Michelle: He says, this is his quote, he says, "'I guess' is like, 'Don't ask me, what do I
know?'"
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: [laughter] I thought that was pretty good.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). [laughter]
Michelle: Right. So, like, I think, I guess… I think... Ohh my gosh, now every time I
say "I think" I'm going to go crazy with this episode.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it's true.
Michelle: It's less sure. It's a little bit less sure than "I think". It's admitting maybe
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Lindsay: Mm.
Michelle: Right?
Lindsay: Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm.
Michelle: Like, "Ohh, there are no cabs. I guess we should take the train." Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I mean, it's used in so many ways. We could do an entire
episode on the different ways to use "I guess". Kind of the different
nuances and the meanings, Michelle, I think.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). I think we -- I think... [laughter] Actually, I think that episode
that Jarra was talking about, I looked into it, and I think we did do a few
several different ways.
Lindsay: Ohh, okay.
Michelle: I think... [laughter]
Lindsay: I think.
Michelle: I'm pretty sure.
Lindsay: In this way that we're setting it up, today, to state your opinion. Right?
Michelle: Well, today we're really talking about, I chose the one way from Jarra,
because Jarra wanted to know about being unsure about something.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: So that's what we're focusing on today.
Lindsay: Okay. Okay.
Michelle: So yes, "So there are no cabs. I guess we should take the train." Well,
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Lindsay: Mhh hmm.
Michelle: But we'll get into some more examples later. But so like, "Ohh, I guess.
Ohh, that girl is -- That girl is wearing a nice dress. I guess she's going out
to a party later." I don't know.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), so "I guess" is more sure -- is less sure than "I think".
Lindsay: I agree with you on that one. "I think". Yeah (yes). [laughter]
Michelle: And "I guess" doesn't have... [laughter] I guess. "I guess” doesn’t have a
negative form, also. Like you don't say, "Ohh, I don't guess."
Lindsay: No. We don't. We definitely don't say that. That's a good point.
Michelle: Right. You don't say, "Ohh, I don't guess." Whereas you might say, "I
don't think." You are not going to say, "I don't guess."
Lindsay: That's a good point. It's important. I could see someone making the
mistake and trying to put the negative in there, but don't do it, guys.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Lindsay: So listen to native English as much as possible.
Michelle: "I don't think that's his name." But you could say that, you wouldn't say, "I
don't guess that’s his name." Right?
Lindsay: But you could say, "I guess that's not his name."
Lindsay: It's a little bit different in the meaning.
Michelle: That's true, that's true.

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Michelle: Okay, so let's move on to "I suppose".
Lindsay: Mhh hmm, okay.
Michelle: [laughter].
Lindsay: Let's get formal. Bring out the white gloves.
Michelle: Let's get a little bit formal. Okay.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: To me, "I suppose" is more formal sounding. What do you think, Lindsay?
Lindsay: Yes. Exactly. I think it's a more formal version of "I guess". You know, "I
suppose we could catch the matinee at one, but I enjoyed the evening
show much better." [laughter]
Michelle: [laughter] It's so funny whenever, because I did it, too...
Lindsay: We get British.
Michelle: Whenever we go to more formal, we are British. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Because British to me just sounds fancier and sounds more
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Michelle: Yeah (yes)! So we always... [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: So we always then, both of us, put on a British accent when we're going
formal. Yeah (yes), British is super fancy, I love it.
Lindsay: [laughter] That's so funny.
Michelle: But yeah (yes), it's a more formal sounding version of "I guess", or "I
think".
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).
Michelle: Do you think it's closer to "I guess" or "I think"? I don't know.
Lindsay: Ohh gosh, I think it's close to both.
Lindsay: I wouldn't say it's -- I think they're very similar. All three are very similar. I
don't think I could even say either way. I just think it's, I think the most
important piece is that it's more formal.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). And I don't think it's -- I don't think. [laughter] I don't think it's
more formal in the way of, if you use it, people are going to be like,
"Whoa, that's weird." I think people do say, "Ohh, I suppose."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "I suppose."
Michelle: But that is if you're looking for a difference. As you can see, in this
conversation we keep on saying, "I think, I think, I think." Over and over
again.
Michelle: Because that's what's most natural to us. I guess.

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Lindsay: Exactly.
Michelle: I guess. Ahh, I just said it!
Lindsay: I guess. That's an important point, and just one piece about the
pronunciation. Here we don't say it quite as much, ‘I suppose,’ we say "I
s'ppose."
Michelle: Yeah (yes). "S'ppose."
Lindsay: "I s'ppose." And that makes it more conversational -- "I s'ppose." We kind
of drop that ‘sup’, that one syllable there, and we say "I s'ppose."
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: "I s'ppose we could catch the matinee at one, but I enjoy the evening show
better."
Michelle: Mm, yeah (yes). And also, I think it's interesting that this listener, Jarra,
says why did this Englishman tell her to say "I think" rather than "I guess".
I was trying to think about that and I thought maybe because it does
sound like you're a little bit more certain, more sure. Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), that's what I was going to say.
Michelle: Little bit more confident.
Lindsay: Because it's, like, when you say "I think," it's like you're, you can't...
Depending on the tone of, I think a lot of this depends on the tone of
voice.
Michelle: Right. Right.
Lindsay: So when you say, "I think this"... "I think that Leonardo DiCaprio is the
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Lindsay: And you're not going up at the end. There's no -- there's not much doubt.
Even though you're saying the word "I think", there's not a lot of doubt in
your mind. You're stating your opinion. But if you say, "I guess he's
okay." It's different. Right. So when you say "I think," it sometimes, it
could present more certainty.
Michelle: Mhh hmm, mhh hmm, mhh hmm. Yeah (yes), exactly. So Jarra also asked
about some additional phrases. Is there anything else? So I came up with
some, and Lindsay you can tell me.
Lindsay: Sure.
Michelle: "I have a feeling," that's kind of similar, but it's more like a hunch, right?
So, "I have a feeling that she will call later. She always calls me on
Tuesdays." Right?
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: So that might be something you'll say. It's like, "I have a feeling maybe for
the future, or I have a feeling she is angry at me." That's kind of similar in
a way. And what else, Lindsay?
Lindsay: Well, "I'm pretty sure that," and I think this one's very natural.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: I think both these are quite natural and very expressive ones that natives
use, guys. So use these. "I'm pretty sure that this is where he lives. I
remember going there when I was younger."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Okay? Like that. I like those, too. I think those are good.
Michelle: Right. Yeah (yes). So "I'm pretty sure that", that sounds like, you know,
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Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Like, yeah (yes). This is a very common phrase to use. "I'm
pretty sure that the dinner is happening at six, but call and check to make
sure."
Michelle: Right! Right, right, right. Okay, so should we give some of these a try,
Lindsay?
Lindsay: Definitely. Let's jump into a role play. Remember guys, grab the
transcripts so that you can see these role plays written out. Okay?
Michelle: Okay?
Lindsay: So here we go, let's jump into it.
Michelle: Okay. Hey (hi) Lindsey, are you excited for fall?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I am. Are you?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), but I hate when it gets dark early. When we change the
clocks?
Lindsay: Ohh, I think it's sometime in November. Right?
Michelle: I guess. I'm not really sure.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), it's not so bad. You can get one of those extra bright lamps.
Aren't those supposed to help?
Michelle: I suppose I could get one of those. It gets so gloomy when it's dark. I have
a feeling it's going to be a long winter.
Lindsay: I'm pretty sure that Boston's winters are worse than New York's. So you
should be thankful. [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), I guess so. I guess I should get a heavy jacket. I think there's a
sale at the mall this weekend.
Lindsay: I don't think you need to have you jacket yet, Michelle.

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Michelle: I guess you're right. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] Ohh, Michelle.
Michelle: I'm so bummed!
Lindsay: You have to move out of the Northeast.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), apparently.
Lindsay: You're clearly in a wrong place for your, like, seasonal, like, moods, kind of.
Lindsay: You know, if you don't like the Northeast, you got to move to California.
[laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), that's not a bad idea.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: So, we used a ton of these things in here, right? So, first we said, I asked
you when we change the clocks, and you said, "I think it's some time in
November." Right? Because you're, you know, you're pretty, kind of
sure. Right?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), pretty sure.
Michelle: And then I say, "I guess." Like, more like, "I don't know."
Lindsay: Mm. Right. You said, "I guess." But you actually said it with a question
mark.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). "I guess?"
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Or you could say, "I guess." "I guess. I'm not really sure." I
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Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). You're right.
Lindsay: I would say, "I guess." I would go down at the end.
Lindsay: But you chose to go up and that's okay, too.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). Whatever you want. [laughter]
Lindsay: Whatever suits your mood, guys. [laughter]
Michelle: That’s right. And then actually we used "Supposed to". A little bit earlier
we said, "Aren't those supposed to help?" But that's a little bit different.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). And I think we did an episode on "I suppose."
Michelle: Probably.
Lindsay: "To suppose and supposed to be"
Michelle: Mhh hmm
Lindsay: I think we've done one on that one. So you guys can come back to
AllEarsEnglish.com, type "Suppose" in the search bar.
Michelle: Mhh hhm. So you said, "Aren't those supposed to help?" And then what
did I say?
Lindsay: Let's see. I'm a little bit lost here. Is this at the beginning?
Michelle: I said, "I suppose I could get one of those." It's like, I could've also said, "I
guess I could get one of those."
Michelle: But I probably want to say, "I think I could get one of those."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), that's true.

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Michelle: Right? Because "Suppose" it's like, ohh, like, almost admitting some sort
of, you know, defeat in some way. Like, I said, "I suppose I could do this."
Lindsay: "Ohh, I suppose I could do that." It's also your downward tone of voice.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: Where you're kind of agreeing/admitting.
Michelle: Right!
Lindsay: This is a real nuance here, guys. And that's why the most important thing
is just to be listening to native English as much as possible, and you'll pick
up on these patterns. Some of these, we really can't explain in words,
exactly the nuance differences here. I think we're doing a good job so far
today, Michelle. You planned this episode, you did a nice job on it.
Michelle: Thank you.
Lindsay: But some these are so nuanced.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: That it's almost impossible for us to explain those differences.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: So make sure you're watching movies in English. Listen to podcast TED
Talks. You know, whatever you are interested in, make sure you're doing
that in English.
Michelle: Right. And then I said, "I have a feeling it's going to be a long winter."
Lindsay: Good. [laughter] I hope it's not.
Michelle: Then what did you say?
Lindsay: I said, "I'm pretty sure that Boston's winters are worse than New York's."

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Michelle: [laughter] Yeah (yes). Then I said, "Yeah (yes), I guess so. I guess I should
get a heavy jacket."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). [laughter] And I said, "I don't think you need a heavy jacket
yet."
Michelle: And I said, "I guess you're right." [laughter]
Lindsay: Okay. [laughter]
Michelle: So that's a lot of things going on here. But yeah (yes), obviously this is one
of those things that you really need to practice. You know, don't worry
about it so much. Listen for things and know there are slight differences,
there are important things, but I mean, I don't think you have to say "I
think" every time.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I mean, I think the most important takeaway from today, guys,
is try experimenting with more than just one of these. We've given you
three, four, even five of them today, but we focused on three. Try to use
all three of them if you can. Don't just keep saying "I think, I think, I think".
Lindsay: Or "I guess, I guess, I guess". Just expand your vocabulary and be willing to
make a mistake. That's the only way you're going to learn.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), exactly. Well, thank you for this question. This was
awesome.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), this was cool. We love it when our listeners send in questions,
guys. So send your questions to lindsay@allearsenglish.com, make it a
super specific question like this one was, because it's just so much easier
for us to write the episode when we have a specific question. Okay?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). Awesome. Well, thanks Lindsay for hanging out,
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Lindsay: Alright, very cool, Michelle. See you soon!
Michelle: Bye!
Lindsay: Bye!
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AEE Episode 613: The Meaning behind 'All Ears' and Why it Matters.
Announcer: This is the All Ears English Podcast eEpisode 613: “The Meaning behind 'All
Ears' and Why it Matters.”
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York City, U.S.A.
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Announcer: Today a listener asked us what 'to be all ears' actually means. You'll hear
the story of how All Ears English came up with this name and you'll find
out how you can use it in your conversations to build rapport and
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Lindsay: What's up, Michelle? How you doing today? Good?
Michelle: I'm good. Yeah (yes), I'm good, Lindsay. How are you?
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). It looks like we are publishing this on Thursday, October 6, so
Columbus Day weekend's coming up. I'm actually going out to Lake Placid
this weekend.
Michelle: Ohh, awesome.
Lindsay: To celebrate a friend's birthday about six or seven of us are going to rent a
house out there. So...
Michelle: That's really fun. I went to Lake Placid when I was little. Actually, I think
my mom used to spend some of her summers there. And I have a specific
memory with my mom from when I was little, like she was trying to
remember which house she stayed in.
Lindsay: Ohh, yeah (yes).
Michelle: And I remember as, like a little girl, being like, "Well, just... Just... I want
to take a picture of you in front of the one where you stayed." And she
said, "I'm not sure." And I said, "Just remember.”
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: "Just think about it and I feel it." And I remembered, and I think it was the
wrong one. [laughter]
Lindsay: That's adorable.
Michelle: And I have that very specific memory from Lake Placid. I would love to go
back.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Well, it's the site of the Olympics in 1981...
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Lindsay: And it's also... Not '83, '84 maybe. And it's also the site of the Olympics
back in, I think the '40s or something.
Michelle: Right and...
Lindsay: Maybe the '20s.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). And I have an old home video. One day I should find it and
send it to you, where my family, we were all getting up on the podium.
Michelle: And I got to be first place and my dad singing the Olympics’ anthem.
Lindsay: That's cool. Well, it's a very cute little town.
Lindsay: I like the restaurants in town. I like... You feel like you're in this mountain
town. It's a nice place, actually, for a fall foliage vacation, which is what
we're doing, or a good winter spot. And it could be a summer spot, too, if
you like hiking and mountain biking. So...
Michelle: Hmm. Maybe I'll go.
Lindsay: We could definitely recommend that to our listeners.
Michelle: Good idea.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Lake Placid. Okay. Cool.
Lindsay: So, speaking of, I'm not sure how to make the connection between our
topic today, Michelle.
Lindsay: There is no connection.

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Michelle: Speaking of Lake Placid.
Lindsay: I'm all ears when it comes to what we can do at Lake Placid. [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes). If you can give me some advice, I'm all ears.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So, we have a question from one of our regular listeners, and
this listener in particular has asked other questions before. So guys, we
always appreciate your questions. Send them to
Lindsay@AllEarsEnglish.com. Let's go ahead and read this student's
question. It's a question about our name, about our podcast and company
name here. So Michelle, could you read that question for us?
Michelle: Yes. I'm back in my role. I'm confident.
Lindsay: Yes!
Michelle: Okay.
Lindsay: Go for it.
Michelle: It says, "Hope you're doing great. Thanks a lot for answering my earlier
questions in your episodes. Sorry for bothering you with my silly
questions, but I wanted to know, ‘What do you mean by the title of your
podcast, 'All Ears English?'" First of all, it's not a silly question. And you're
never bothering us.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: We love hearing from you. Okay.
Lindsay: That's right. Yeah (yes), we love these questions.
Michelle: "As per the Free Dictionary, 'all ears' means 'listening eagerly and
carefully'. Do you mean the same or is there some other meaning for 'all
ears' as well? I have never heard this phrase being used in spoken English,
except on your podcast."
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Michelle: "So I just wanted to know how common it is in America? Is this phrase
formal or informal? Myunk" Thank you.
Lindsay: Good question.
Michelle: That's a really good question, and I'm surprised we actually haven't talked
about this before.
Lindsay: I know.
Michelle: So not a silly question.
Lindsay: It's important. We should have done this for, like, episode 600 or one of
the even episodes.
Lindsay: But that's okay. We got this question, and again, we love getting your
questions. It's like getting a little gift, a little Christmas gift, every time I
see a question from a listener in my inbox. So keep sending your
questions, guys. But, so we have a couple of questions here
from Myunk. I mean, this listener wants to know, you know, first of all,
what does it mean? Second of all, they, this person, never hears it. So, you
know, is it commonly used? So, what does it mean, Michelle?
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Let's start with that.
Michelle: Okay. To be 'all ears', it means you are listening closely.
Lindsay: Mhh hmm.
Michelle: You're only listening to the person, right? You're wide open to receive
information from one specific person and this person has your attention.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). [laughter]
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Lindsay: And so, that's right. That's the... So that is the definition that Myunk came
up with, too.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: And so, that's correct. You're right about that. It's listening carefully,
listening closely, being very intent on listening to that specific person, or
that thing. And what does it mean for us? I mean, the way I interpret it is
that we want you guys listening closely.
Lindsay: Like, we want you guys [laughter]
Michelle: [laughter] Of course.
Lindsay: Focusing closely and being engaged. You know, we want you to be
engaged in the show.
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: What does it mean for you, Michelle?
Michelle: Yeah (yes). I think so. And also, just, like, being all ears and receptive to
learning, right?
Michelle: Like 'all ears', it's not just, like, "Ohh, I'm listening." But it's, like, "I'm
listening, like you said, like eagerly." Right? You're wide open. You're
open to learning.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), that's a good point. So, there are kind of two levels of meaning
here, right? So, the first one is physically you're listening. And the second
one is you're open. You're open to learning something new. I think that
we have a lot of kind of free thinkers that listen to our podcast, a lot of
independent learners, and I think you guys are quite self-motivated. Like,
you take what you learn here and you go and you apply it on your own.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), that's the key. I think that's what I was thinking. It's like,
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Lindsay: Mhh hmm. Yeah (yes).
Michelle: And, you know, it's, you know, really helping with your listening and
speaking skills.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). No, that's exactly it. So, that's what it means for us and for
you guys. And I remember the day that we actually came up with this
name. My former co-host and I, we were sitting in my kitchen here at this
house and, you know, we're just brainstorming names. We had a bunch of
ideas. But we said this one and it just came out and we thought, "Ohh,
that's kind of cute." Like, it just had a ring to it right away.
Michelle: Ohh, I like that. What does that mean 'a ring to it'?
Lindsay: "It had a ring to it." I like that expression. So it just had a...
Michelle: Special...
Lindsay: It sounded special.
Lindsay: It sounded like, I don't know, like music to ears.
Michelle: It sounded like a... It sounded catchy.
Lindsay: Catchy. Sounded cute. Sounded clever. At first, I thought it was a little
bit, like, juvenile, like it sounded a little bit, like, silly, kind of juvenile.
Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: But it just... It grew on us and stuck with us and we went with it.
Lindsay: It's not easy, naming a podcast.
Michelle: No.
Lindsay: Naming a company. It's not easy.
Michelle: No. [laughter]

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Lindsay: So we went with it. Don't overthink a name guys, if you're trying to name
a business. It's hard. Right, Michelle? We were talking about that just
now.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), we were. I mean, I'm curious, do you remember if you had any
other names that you...
Lindsay: Ohh, my God. I know we had others, but I don't even...
Michelle: Remember them.
Lindsay: I could not... Something... Uhh, I don't know. I have no idea. This was,
like, three years ago now.
Lindsay: So, I don't know. I could probably look it up somewhere, but [laughter]
Lindsay: So anyway, so that's the name we went with and that's what... I think that
it's really stuck with us and it's continued to keep its meaning and it makes
sense for the podcast.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: But the question from Myunk next was, "Is it common?"
Michelle: Mm. Yes.
Lindsay: So what do you think, Michelle?
Michelle: Umm. I don't know that I use this, like, every day. [laughter]
Michelle: I don't think it's that common, but it's not... But you could still hear it,
right?
Michelle: Like, people would still say it today, I think.

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Lindsay: Right. It's not like it's outdated, right? I mean, there are a lot of phrases
that are just outdated you might hear in movies from the '60s and the '70s
and you think, "Ohh, we never say that anymore."
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: But this phrase is kind... I think it's a little bit timeless.
Lindsay: But it's just not something you say every day.
Michelle: Right, right, right. Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: I could think of a few situations in which we might say it. For example, you
know, parents trying to get a kid to share something that's going on in his
life, right? And the parent might say, "Come on. I'm all ears." Right?
Lindsay: I can picture that. Mhh hmm.
Michelle: Or, like, a boss or a manager might say it at a meeting. Like, when the
employees have expressed that they want to share their opinions on
something, the boss will say, "Okay, I'm all ears. I'm listening."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So both...
Michelle: "You have my undivided attention."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), or a third one could be a friend. Like, two friends are talking,
and one friend wants to share something, and the friend is just gathering
their attention and focusing in on that other friend and saying, "Okay. I'm
all ears. Let me know what's going on." Right?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). That'd be great.
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Lindsay: So whenever you're about to listen to someone or something and you're

telling the person, "Go ahead. Just start speaking to me. I'm all ears." I
mean, don't use it all the time, guys. Don't overuse it. It's just something
you could throw in.
Lindsay: Once in a while, to spice up your language, okay?
Michelle: For sure. Yeah (yes). I think that... I think when used correctly, it can be
really good.
Lindsay: Ohh, for sure. And that's what you guys want to be doing. You want to
be, you know, throwing in these new ways to say things to add more
depth to your skills here.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: That's why we're here for you guys.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: So Michelle, what are some other ways to say "I'm all ears"?
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Well, you could say, “I'd love to hear from you.”
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). I'd love to hear from you. Now, this one sounds to me a little
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Michelle: Mm.
Lindsay: Or spoken on the phone or something, like, you leave a phone message,
"Hey, I'd love to hear from you. Let's talk about this thing. Please give me
a call."
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: I feel like I would be less likely to say that in person. What do you think?
Michelle: Yeah (yes), like, I wouldn't say, "Ohh, come on, Lindsay. Like, tell me what
you're... What you're thinking. I'd love to hear from you." It's more...
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), this is definitely phone or message.
Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Like voicemail or email, I think.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes)
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). And then the next one was "What's up?" Right? That's
another way of when you're sitting down with someone and you're telling
them. "Hey, I'm ready to listen, I'm ready to put my attention on you."
Just say, "Okay. So what's up?"
Michelle: Yeah (yes) I'd like this one.
Lindsay: Okay.
Michelle: I think it is really common.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Like that.
Michelle: Mhh hmm. Mhh hmm. And then also you could say. "I'm here to listen."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So this is when, like, something might be a bit heavier, like, the
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Michelle: Mhh hmm.
Lindsay: Like, I might see the parent say that to the kid.
Lindsay: "Come on, let me know what's going on. I'm here to listen."
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). Exactly, exactly.
Lindsay: I couldn't think of any others. Michelle, do you have any others that come
to mind in the moment?
Michelle: Umm.
Lindsay: Meaning the same thing. I was drawing a blank there in terms of other
ways to say...
Michelle: Umm. I'm...
Lindsay: No, no, no. If not, that's okay. Maybe we can add them to the blog if we
think of one.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). I'll see if I can think of any. Yeah (yes). I think my mind is
drawing the same blank.
Lindsay: [laughter]
Lindsay: Alright. So we've got two role plays here for you guys and we're going to
go back to those same situations that we described. We have a mom and
a teenage daughter.
Michelle: Ohh.
Lindsay: And the teenager wants to say something right, Michelle? So you wrote
these role plays I think.
Michelle: Hmm.
Lindsay: Or did I?

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Lindsay: No, I wrote them.
Michelle: I did that. I'm like, "Really? I did? I've done such a good job."
Lindsay: Alright, alright, alright. Here we go.
Michelle: Ohh, my gosh. That's when you know...
Lindsay: Ohh. So do you want to be A, Michelle? I'll be B.
Michelle: Okay. I'm the mom.
Lindsay: You're the mom.
Michelle: Okay. I have to get in my mom...
Lindsay: In your mom voice.
Michelle: "Hey, Emily. How was your day at school?"
Lindsay: Ohh, hold on. Sorry. I lost the play... I lost it. Okay. Okay. "Ohh, it was
okay."
Michelle: "Ohh, what's up? Why the long face? Did something happen?"
Lindsay: "No, mom, nothing happened."
Michelle: "Come on. If there is something you want to talk about I'm all ears."
Lindsay: "Okay. Well, maybe later."
Michelle: "Okay. Anytime. I'm here to listen."
Lindsay: "Okay. Good." [laughter]
Michelle: Did you like my mom voice?
Lindsay: Was that something that your mom would say, I’m all ears?
Michelle: No. I don't know. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter]

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Michelle: Maybe.
Lindsay: It's hard... It must be hard raising a teenager, you know? I mean, you
worry about them. It's a very kind of...
Lindsay: Odd. The impressionable time.
Lindsay: But, so that's something you could say if you have a teenager, guys, in the
U.S. and, you know, you could say to them, "I'm all ears."
Lindsay: Okay?
Michelle: Yeah (yes). So, I mean, in the beginning I said, as the mom, I said, "What's
up?"
Lindsay: Mhh hmm.
Michelle: And I said...
Lindsay: Very casual.
Michelle: "Why the long face?" I like that. It's like, "Why do you look unhappy?"
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "Why the long face?" I feel like that's definitely something that
a parent or like...
Lindsay: Aunt or uncle would say.
Michelle: Yeah (yes). [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes), yeah (yes). And you said, "No, nothing happened."
And I said, "If you want", and you know, "If there is something you want
to talk about, I'm all ears." It's, like, "I'm here for you."

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Lindsay: There we go. And then at the end you also said again, "I'm here to listen."
Lindsay: Okay. A very supportive mother.
Michelle: I'm a good mom.
Lindsay: You are. Thank you so much. Very good. [laughter]
Lindsay: Alright. So, and then the next situation is just we have a meeting with the
boss and the team, okay?
Michelle: Right.
Lindsay: So, alright. So, I'll just be A and Michelle, if you want to be B. So...
Michelle: Alright.
Lindsay: Ohh, here we go. "Thank you for attending today's meeting. I know you
all have been wanting to meet with me to share some of your ideas, but
we haven't been able to find a good time until now. So I'm all ears.
What's on your mind?"
Michelle: "Ohh, well, we do have some ideas for our next course that we are getting
ready to launch in April."
Lindsay: “Okay, great. I'd love to hear them. What are you thinking?" Okay. And
that's another one. Like, “What are you thinking?” That could be similar to
"I'm all ears."
Lindsay: Mhh hmm.
Michelle: So you said, "We haven't had a chance." I like this. "We haven't had a
chance to talk", right? "So now I'm all ears." It's, like, "You have my
undivided attention."
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), exactly.

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Michelle: You have my undivided attention.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). So this phrase, this phrase, really what it is, it's a signaling
phrase for you guys. When someone says it, it means that they're ready to
listen to you, and when you say it to someone else it means you're ready
to listen to them. It's, like, "I'm open." Okay?
Michelle: Right, right. And then, yeah (yes), you said, "What's on your mind?” I
liked that.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). "What's on your mind?" I love that, too. Very cool. That's
some very cool native language coming out today, Michelle. [laughter]
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). Definitely. Umm.
Lindsay: And then we said, umm, at the end I said, "Okay, I'd love to hear them."
Right?
Michelle: Right. Which is good. Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), I'd love to hear the ideas. And then, "What are you thinking?"
was the last thing I said.
Lindsay: Okay. So very natural. So how would you feel, like, how would the feeling
change for you, Michelle, as the person who's about to speak, if the boss
said these phrases to indicate...
Michelle: I would feel really good because I would feel like my boss really cares. And
wouldn't be just, like, sitting there, looking at his or her phone.
Michelle: You know, or waiting for another meeting or, like, that they really do
actually care. And so I would feel more comfortable sharing things with
that boss.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes). Definitely.
Michelle: And I would just feel more connected in general. Boom!

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Lindsay: Ohh, Connection NOT Perfection ™.
Michelle: There you go. [laughter]
Lindsay: [laughter] There we go. So that's how kind of functional this phrase 'all
ears' can be, guys. So, today we've learned where the phrase came from,
what it means for us, and what it can mean for you guys in a conversation,
and again, how it can build connection for you. Okay? It's these little
phrases that we can insert, that can really strengthen our connections and
that can lead to more happiness in our lives. I think it's that simple.
Michelle: That's right. Yeah (yes).
Lindsay: Okay. So guys, go ahead, grab the transcripts from today at

AllEarsEnglish.com/transcripts and remember to write in your questions at
AllEarsEnglish.com. We love getting your questions.
Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes). Thanks for that one, that was a good one.
Lindsay: That was a good one. And we'll be back next week, Michelle. Thanks for
hanging out today.
Michelle: Thank you. Have a good one. Bye.
Lindsay: Have a good weekend.
Michelle: Enjoy Lake Placid.
Lindsay: Yeah (yes), thank you. It should be fun.
Michelle: [laughter] Bye.
Lindsay: Bye.
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AEE Episode 610: Listen Today and Then Call It a Day

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Lindsay: What up, Michelle? How are you doing?

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Michelle: So how long did that take you?

Lindsay: It took us about 12 hours, 11-12 hours of kind of constant hiking.

Michelle: Ohh, my gosh.

Michelle: Really? What?

Lindsay: Yeah (yes). It was five mountains.

Lindsay: It is insane. Yeah.

Michelle: That's cool. I did not do that. [laughter]

Lindsay: [laughter] What did you do over the weekend?

Michelle: So I got to hang out with my niece and nephew.

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Lindsay: Yeah (yes).

Michelle: And it's very tiring.

Michelle: Ohh, my God.

Lindsay: With a four-year-old, three-year-old, two-year-old. Ohh my God.

Lindsay: [laughter] How old is, it's Jake, right?

Lindsay: Ohh. It's awesome.

Lindsay: [laughter] That's so cool.

Michelle: Yeah (yes), he is hilarious. So funny.

Lindsay: I love that. I love that.

Michelle: Yeah (yes).

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Michelle: Underground Learner in 50s from the USA. [laughter]

Michelle: And Allen Gr 28 from Mexico.

Lindsay: And Micky 811 from Italy.

Lindsay: Yeah (yes).

Michelle: I'm sorry! [laughter]

Michelle: Where are you?

Michelle: We are talking about calling it a day. [laughter]

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Michelle: I'm going to push through.

Michelle: Mhh hmm.

Michelle: Mhh hmm.

Lindsay: What do you think about that, Michelle?

Michelle: Mhh hmm.

Lindsay: Mhh hmm.

Lindsay: It's over. I want to -- It means, "I want to stop.” Right?

Michelle: Yeah (yes).

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Michelle: And I'm like, "Let's call it a day!"

Lindsay: Yeah (yes).

Lindsay: That's a good point. That's a really good point.

Michelle: I think it is a little more like the end of an event.

Michelle: Right, right.

Lindsay: A focused period where you're working or you're working on something.

Lindsay: With someone else. Right?

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Michelle: Right, right, right, right, exactly.

Lindsay: So that's important.

Michelle: Perfect. Perfect. Right.

Michelle: Yeah (yes). That would be appropriate way to use it.

Lindsay: We want to help you guys connect.

Michelle: For sure.

Michelle: Yeah (yes), yeah (yes).

Lindsay: And then, how else might we say it, Michelle?

Michelle: You can also say, "Want to call it a day?"

Lindsay: Mhh hmm.

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Michelle: Mhh hmm.