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Contents
1 Template:Spaced en dash
2 Get pages and their redirects from the database
3 Request to edit crontab to update Special:WantedTemplates more often
4 no results after "next 500" in suggested word search
5 Problem in Template:Cite Quran
6 Editing from different devices
7 I decided to copy-paste the entirety of RedWarn to another page
(User:JJPMaster/RWS.js) and...
8 What CSS has Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes?
9 Cropping of Infobox text in pdf files - followup
10 Partial blocks don't survive deletion
11 Revid of a GA or FA
12 How to get the URL...
13 Size of caps in citations
14 Automatic citation tool in Visual Editor broken?
15 Mobile view and copyrighted images in the "RELATED ARTICLES" page section
16 Tag reverted
17 War of 1812
18 Discussion at Template talk:No article text § TfD merge nomination
19 Temporarily watching pages
20 Monobook separator lines have gone invisible
21 Problems with Tables and Infoboxes
21.1 Timeless formatting infobox bug
22 Automatic edit count
23 Pageviews does not work
23.1 403 error on dump files
24 Obvious attempts at bruteforcing my password not being prevented
25 For the past week or so every day I see multiple pages being linked to
Pharaohs in the Bible
26 Empty graphs in an article - is it my browser/settings?
27 Is there a way to see what pages implement specific syntax from a infobox?
28 Sports links and European Athletics
29 Weird log entry (selfadd?)
30 WikiProject Medicine/Archive index

Template:Spaced en dash
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T152639
I've noticed that JerrieAtrix has been manually substing {{Spaced en dash}}
because, according to them, it breaks navigation popups. I have popups enabled and
have not noticed anything amiss with them on pages where the template is
transcluded. But if there is an issue with it, it should presumably be fixed in the
template itself or in MediaWiki, instead of being manually substituted.
AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 22:56, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

The Navigation Popups feature suppresses display of all templates, including

{{Infobox}}, {{Convert}}, {{snd}}, {{Spaced en dash}}, etc., resulting in run-
together text and loss of meaning when inline templates are used. That's just the
way it is; there is nothing to "fix" in MediaWiki. Editors should simply learn not
to put inline templates in the lede. Besides, the use of HTML  – uses the same
or fewer number of characters as some of the silly templates being employed and the
symbols are readily available from the Wiki markup menu below the editing window,
both for logged-in and IP editors. In my opinion, templates such as {{snd}},
{{Spaced en dash}} and other variants on en dashes and em dashes should be
deprecated in this Wiki and eventually deleted by a 'bot. They're training wheels
for tots and are unneccessary. — JerrieAtrix (talk) 23:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Well, {{Spaced en dash}} is transcluded 47,704 times, so if there's a problem with
it there should be some centralized solution, whatever it ends up being.
AleatoryPonderings (???) (!!!) 23:33, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Punctuating a sentence (em or en dashes) suggest using
{{Spaced en dash}} (via redirects {{spaced ndash}} or {{snd}}). Nearly all readers
are unregistered. They see mw:Page Previews which does render templates. Registered
users can enable Wikipedia:Tools/Navigation popups at Special:Preferences#mw-
prefsection-gadgets but it's disabled by default. We shouldn't edit pages based on
how they appear in an optin gadget. I use popups myself but missing a dash in a
popup is minor. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:01, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
JerrieAtrix, as a rule we do not change wikitext because a gadget does not function
as expected. If the specific gadget can't (or won't) handle it, that is something
to be changed for the specific gadget. (Clearly this is a poorly thought out design
decision on the pop ups part.) Please stop. --Izno (talk) 00:55, 1 January 2021
(UTC)
It's probably more a case of template rendering being hard to implement properly
than "a poorly thought out design decision". PrimeHunter (talk) 01:30, 1 January
2021 (UTC)
Gadgets shouldn't try to reimplement rendering probably. ;) --Izno (talk) 02:41, 1
January 2021 (UTC)
Izno, the gadget predates the render options. It's 2003-2004 code. :D —TheDJ (talk
• contribs) 10:44, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
I would never dare to presume that gadgets should be maintained. ;) --Izno (talk)
17:24, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
The popupPreviewKillTemplates option can alter how popups handles templates.
There's no option for "expand and process as usual", but there is an option other
than "omit altogether". DMacks (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
If you are interested in gnoming to fix some popups render bugs without altering
documented standards, consider converting [[''foo'']] to ''[[foo]]''. The former
causes display of raw HTML tags. DMacks (talk) 17:23, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Get pages and their redirects from the database
Resolved – I ran the queries back to back on the database machine and the
performance hit was minimal, in the dozens of milliseconds. Closed, not relevant.
Magog the Ogre (t • c) 02:04, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Good morning. I am attempting to write a single prepared statement to retrieve all
pages and their redirects which are in a category.

Here is my first query which returns in ~.33 seconds.

Here is a second query which takes from the first result and returns in ~.10
seconds.

Here is a third query where I try to combine the two but which hangs indefinitely.

Can someone familiar with MySQL help me out? I tried to run EXPLAIN but I do not
have rights.[1]

Helpful links: mw:Manual:categorylinks table, mw:Manual:page table,

mw:Manual:redirect table

PS. I am a MySQL novice so don't assume I know anything Magog the Ogre (t • c)
15:55, 3 January 2021 (UTC)

You can get EXPLAIN results using https://sql-optimizer.toolforge.org/. I'm not

sure why that query isn't working well, but the Commons replicas are having
performance problems at the moment that mean indexes don't work as well as they
should. That likely has something to do with it. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk)
16:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
You can also try WP:RAQ. --Izno (talk) 23:25, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
Sometimes Quarry just declines to update. Submit the query again and it's usually
fine. A query that times out on the database side looks like this. —Cryptic 23:34,
5 January 2021 (UTC)
Request to edit crontab to update Special:WantedTemplates more often
According to this thread, it appears that we need some sort of super-administrator
to update a crontab so that Special:WantedTemplates is updated more often.
Unfortunately, I don't know what sort of user right is required, or where that
crontab lives. Any clues would be appreciated. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:43, 3 January
2021 (UTC)

"crontab"s are server-side scripts/organizational tools. When administrator is used

in context, that means "system administrator" i.e. your request must be to
Phabricator. --Izno (talk) 23:26, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
This could probably be recreated as a database report. If there aren't any other
takers I'll try to do this next week. -FASTILY 23:43, 3 January 2021 (UTC)
The original query is at
phab:source/mediawiki/browse/master/includes/specials/SpecialWantedTemplates.php.--
Snaevar (talk) 00:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Fastily, if you do recreate it as a database report, would it be possible to
exclude .js pages? That would help cut down on the noise in the report. Thanks!
Also, it might be worth corresponding with Plastikspork, who translates the current
special page into User:Plastikspork/Transclusions of deleted templates/1. –
Jonesey95 (talk) 00:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Certainly, I'll look into doing that as well. -FASTILY 00:37, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
no results after "next 500" in suggested word search
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271103
entering a misspelled or non existent word such as "dakdm" in Wikipedia search box
produces results for an alternate suggested word, with the following message :

"Results 1 – 20 of 21,635"

"Showing results for daddy. No results found for dakdm."

clicking on "next 20"

or "500" then "next 500"

produces :

"There were no results matching the query."

it is not showing the extended results for the alternative word initially
displayed, in this instance "daddy".

is this an intended feature, or should it be reported as bug ? Gfigs (talk) 06:26,

4 January 2021 (UTC)

If that is intended it's stupid. Going to the next page shouldn't change the
search, and adding a link that leads nowhere isn't going to help. It might be the
result of independent intentional decisions, but in the combination it's a bug.
--mfb (talk) 08:09, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
thanks..here is bug report : T271103.. (i did not receive a notification that my
comment was reverted. am editing this comment for second time, as it was changed by
someone else). Gfigs (talk) 13:51, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Gfigs, Hmmm, I can see how this could be somewhat unexpected, but I don't know I'd
go so far as to call it a bug. I would expect that the continuation link ("next
20") would be disabled in this case, however.
In the "Showing results for daddy. No results found for dakdm." message, "daddy" is
a link to the alternate search. When I get one of those, I generally click that
link and continue from there, so it's not a big deal. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:23, 4
January 2021 (UTC)
ah, ok.. Gfigs (talk) 14:35, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
Problem in Template:Cite Quran
See the problem happened below with the template: "Allah! There is no god but He,-
the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His
are all things in the heavens and on earth. Who is there can intercede in His
presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as)
before or after or behind them. Nor shall they compass aught of His knowledge
except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over the heavens and the earth, and He
feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving them for He is the Most High, the
Supreme (in glory)."[Quran [http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/text?doc=Perseus
%3Atext%3A2002.02.0004%3Asura%3D2%3Averse%3D255

2:255] (Translated by Yusuf Ali)]

116.58.200.228 (talk) 11:32, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

There are some extra characters after the 255. The following seems to work:
{{Cite Quran|2|255| translator= y
| quote= Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting,
Eternal. No slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and
on earth. Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He
knoweth what (appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor
shall they compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth
extend over the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and
preserving them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory).
}}
"Allah! There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-subsisting, Eternal. No
slumber can seize Him nor sleep. His are all things in the heavens and on earth.
Who is there can intercede in His presence except as He permitteth? He knoweth what
(appeareth to His creatures as) before or after or behind them. Nor shall they
compass aught of His knowledge except as He willeth. His Throne doth extend over
the heavens and the earth, and He feeleth no fatigue in guarding and preserving
them for He is the Most High, the Supreme (in glory)."[Quran 2:255 (Translated by
Yusuf Ali)]
Is that correct? — Jts1882 | talk 12:00, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
According to Help:Template:
The template {{Strip whitespace}} can be used to strip any initial or final
whitespace from unnamed parameter values if this would cause problems; named
parameter values are automatically stripped in this way.

Based on this, there are 2 solutions: either edit {{Cite Quran}} to wrap {{{2}}}
with a {{Strip whitespace}} template, or use it here with no whitespace.
93.172.18.207 (talk) 15:00, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Editing from different devices
I usually edit Wikipedia from my mobile and laptop but since I became a bit more
active on Wikipedia from last year, I sometimes edit from anywhere if needs be.
Like I may be editing from a friend's device or university's library. Similarly I
sometimes edit using different networks, from a shared hotspot, university's wifi
etc. I do it all while logged in but still I'm skeptical as to it sometimes that is
it all oky for my account and edits? I actually don't understand much about how IPs
work here. I even get confused sometimes when I'm not logged in and see that
there's a new message on talk that comes out to be of the IP and when I see in
contributions, there are edits which I never done so I assume that IPs might be
changing continuosly. Can somebody makes me understand all this? Thanks! USaamo
(t@lk) 11:56, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't care from which IP you edit, if you do so while logged in
everything is linked to your account. How IPs are given out depends on the internet
service provider (and potentially the local network you are working in). Some of
them reuse IPs frequently. That can be a bit confusing in Wikipedia. If you log in
then everything is tied to your account and the IP does not matter. --mfb (talk)
15:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)
@Mfb: Thanks for clarification. :) USaamo (t@lk) 08:23, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
I decided to copy-paste the entirety of RedWarn to another page
(User:JJPMaster/RWS.js) and...
it somehow didn't work, even when I uninstalled the proper RedWarn thing. I don't
know where else to ask this question, so I came here. JJP...MASTER![talk to] JJP...
master? 20:46, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@JJPMaster, this edit broke your install, you should just be able to go back to the
first version of the page and it should work fine, or copy straight from our GitLab
at https://redwarn.gitlab.io/redwarn-web/redwarn.js ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 20:50, 4 January
2021 (UTC)
@JJPMaster, and you need to remove RedWarn globally at
meta:User:JJPMaster/global.js ✨ Ed talk! ✨ 21:05, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

What CSS has Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes?

ON MOBILE What CSS has Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes to make text smaller,
better space-out and with watermark kind of lines that clearly separate each items?

It's now different than 6month ago.

Is there a way to add a screenshot shot to demonstrate this?

I don't see anything that would do that in 'MediaWiki:Mobile.css' nor

'MediaWiki:Common.css'.
Goodman Andrew (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:57, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Goodman Andrew, we have very little control over how the mobile site is currently
styled. You can go to the mobile site from desktop at https://en.m.wikipedia.org
and review for yourself using a standard web style inspector; append ?debug=true to
help identify the specific source (because ResourceLoader concatenates a lot of CSS
together otherwise and you can't tell what the true source is). --Izno (talk)
16:53, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
@Goodman Andrew: Please keep the discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk#What CSS has
Wikipedia applied to it infoboxes? where you also posted. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:10,
5 January 2021 (UTC)
Cropping of Infobox text in pdf files - followup
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271288

text cropping in pdf file near right margin

this is follow-up to Teahouse post of Nov 2020 : Cropping of text in pdf files

am finding, cropping of infobox texts in many article pdf files (mostly Paper Sizes
A0-A3).

as this example Anne, Princess Royal. Paper Size : ISO A1

browser is Chrome (mobile) 84.0.4147.89 (to be updated)

have logged this as bug task. (see here also) Gfigs (talk) 16:36, 5 January 2021
(UTC)

task is Closed (Invalid). Aklapper advised that this is a display problem with the
Infobox Template (see here). apparently, this has to be fixed by the English Wiki
community. going to leave a message on the Template talk:Infobox for those working
on this..Gfigs (talk) 09:59, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
@Gfigs: It's customary not to amend a previous message. Please consider making a
new comment each time you want to update. --Izno (talk) 20:56, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
ok, thanks.. Gfigs (talk) 21:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Partial blocks don't survive deletion
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T199918Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271253
Thanks to an experiment by ToBeFree, it seems that when a user is partially blocked
from a page and that page is subsequently deleted, the block is no longer
effective. As soon as the page is deleted, the partially-blocked user can
immediately recreate the page under the same title and edit freely. Is this a known
issue and/or is it intentional? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:21, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

@Ivanvector: "Create page" partial blocks are not currently supported, see
phab:T199918 for the feature request. — xaosflux Talk 20:30, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
Created phab:T271253, noted the situation at WP:PB. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 20:39, 5
January 2021 (UTC)
The action of deleting a page resets all protections relating to that page right
back to unprotected; this is long-standing behaviour. So if a page that is deleted
is not explicitly create-protected straight away, any edit protections formerly
relating to that page will not be effective even if the page is recreated.
It should be noted that any given page name has several types of protection
(create, edit, move, upload), which all default to unprotected but may be set
independently to any other level (unprotected, semi, extended-confirmed, template-
editors, full); for example, edit protection and move protection are both commonly
seen on the same page but need not be set to the same level - a page might be semi-
protected for editing but fully-protected for moves. Similarly, edit-protection is
independent of create-protection. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:01, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
The thing is, the block is still displayed; it just applies to a nonexisting
article ID. My proposal is to make the situation visible by removing the block. ~
ToBeFree (talk) 19:05, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Revid of a GA or FA
Anyone know how to get the revision ID that marks when an article was certified as
good or featured? For example, the article chess is a featured article. Is there an
automated way to get the revid of the article at its last FA review? Sam at
Megaputer (talk) 22:24, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Usually, this is linked from the {{article history}} box that is found on the
article's talk page. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 22:31, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
How to get the URL...
...of a PDF found through Google? If you search for "Nebraska Maternity Home" on
Google, you'll find the hit from the Nebraska Health and Human Services System; the
info is already in the article (Milford Industrial Home), but I don't know how to
get the URL for it--Firefox opens the document but won't reveal the actual URL.
Your help is appreciated. Drmies (talk) 22:50, 5 January 2021 (UTC)

Drmies, it took me years to figure this out. Click on the little down carat next to
the entry, then click on "Cached". Google will serve up an html version of the pdf
along with its url: (http://nlc.nebraska.gov/docs/hhsshistory2-01.pdf).
StarryGrandma (talk) 23:08, 5 January 2021 (UTC)
StarryGrandma, you are the best. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 23:45, 5 January 2021
(UTC)
Drmies, Some things aren't cached. Another way is to download/save the pdf rather
than just open it within FF, then click on the big blue downloads arrow, often at
the top right next to Home. Right click on the downloaded title, and click 'Copy
Download Link'. Or click Menu bar Tools→Downloads for the same list. Sometimes this
doesn't work when you just press Ctrl +J. HTH, MinorProphet (talk) 05:25, 6 January
2021 (UTC)
If those don't work you can edit the google url:
https://www.google.com/url?
sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwjdlJCc7IbuAhUxVBUIHfa
eDdkQFjACegQIAxAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fnlc.nebraska.gov%2Fdocs%2Fhhsshistory2-
01.pdf&usg=AOvVaw0OcR6d16GToy4UmlILwuRW
You want the red bit with blue edited (%3A to : and %2F to /) to get the url.
Tricky at first but becomes easy after a few times, although I will try the
suggestions above next time.— Jts1882 | talk 08:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
I have a script to do that. I've never used it, but https://urlclean.com/ claims to
do the same and it might be safe to use. Johnuniq (talk) 09:00, 6 January 2021
(UTC)
Having copied a link from Google into my clipboard, I open a plain text editor (vi,
notepad, WordPad or similar), paste in the link and proceed as follows:
Locate the &url=, remove everything from the start of the line up to and including
those five characters
In what remains, locate the first instance of the & character, remove everything
including that character until the end of the line
Apply percent-encoding in reverse, leaving any instances of %25 until last. The
characters most often found encoded are:
%3A → :
%2F → /
%3F → ?
%26 → &
%2B → +
%25 → %
They may be decoded in any order, except that the decoding of %25 to % must be done
after all the others because it may indicate a character which is deliberately
encoded, and must remain as such - such as an accented letter or non-Latin letter.
--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 11:04, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
In the old days I might have spent all night debugging a precarious sed script with
multiple regex and escapes to die for, but luckily whatever skills I had, have now
deserted me... Or I might have tried using edlin with gorilla.bas running in the
background on DESQview under MS-DOS 3.3. Ah, the joy of an entire 1 MB of RAM. —
Preceding unsigned comment added by MinorProphet (talk • contribs) 13:13, 6 January
2021 (UTC)
Not the same vibe, running gorilla.bas on Windows 10. Just did though – for old
times sake. (With the enclosing emulator it is 1.8Mb too.) — GhostInTheMachine talk
to me 14:54, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
I've written a tool which makes it easy to percent encode/decode URLs:
toolforge:ftools/general/url-encode.html -FASTILY 00:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Drmies, In Chrome, you can open the Developer Tools window (View / Developer), go
to the Network tab, and see every HTTP request that's made in the process of
rendering a page. I often use that to find the deeplink URL for an image which is
included on a page via javascript/flash/whatever that obfuscates the HTML. It looks
like Firefox has something similar under Tools / Web Developer / Network.
I'm not sure if this actually solves your specific problem, but it's a handy trick
to know.
And, of course, once you've found the URL, curl and/or wget are your friends for
actually fetching the document into a file via the command line. -- RoySmith (talk)
15:44, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, all of you! Drmies (talk) 14:40, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

I have a browser add-on that does this for me. I think it's Google search link fix
by Wladimir Palant. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Size of caps in citations
Hi all, is there anywhere to propose that the size of identifiers such as isbn and
jstor might be reduced when using {{cite book}} etc.? Especially when there is no
url specified, the big blue all caps really stand out, making them seem more
important than they need to be. eg
Smith, Arthur (2020). Arthur Smith's Big Book of Fun. ISBN 9780299128340. JSTOR
2639814.
Obviously it can be done by hand <small>{{isbn|9780299128340}}</small>, ISBN
9780299128340 but seems not to be possible within {cite book}. Maybe I'm alone, and
anyway the purely aesthetic change might not be welcome especially in such widely-
used templates. Cheers, and HNY >MinorProphet (talk) 05:29, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

WT:CS1 is probably the venue, but these templates are mostly used in references,
which are small by default, so MOS:SMALL would say no to your suggestion. Nardog
(talk) 06:12, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Today, we currently shrink the |format= to 95% (and used to do the same for |
registration= and |subscription=), which given the reference context keeps us above
85%. It's not out of the question. Maybe we could consider adding a span so that
all IDs can be smaller for personal use, or removed. --Izno (talk) 06:22, 6 January
2021 (UTC)
Izno, that sounds like an excellent idea if it could be done. Thanks all for your
swift replies. >MinorProphet (talk) 06:42, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
Automatic citation tool in Visual Editor broken?
If I create a citation using VE and this link
https://www.bbcamerica.com/anglophenia/2013/09/brits-with-birthdays-downtowns-rob-
james-collier-adds-a-year-and-more , the tool changes the link into
https://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/anglophenia/blog/2013/09/brits-with-birthdays-
downtowns-rob-james-collier-adds-a-year-and-more (note: addition of /shows/ and
/blog/), which obviously breaks it. Any ideas why or I am just being dense? Caius
G. (talk) 09:17, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Caius G., it's looks to mosly be an issue with the site. The site is defining a
meta property og:url, which is used to set the canonical URL for the page, to
https://www.bbcamerica.com/shows/anglophenia/blog/2013/09/brits-with-birthdays-
downtowns-rob-james-collier-adds-a-year-and-more, hence why the tool is getting the
URL. Intestinging the page's canonical link element is correctly set to the
original URL. – BrandonXLF (talk) 03:35, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
BrandonXLF interesting, thanks for letting me know! Best, Caius G. (talk) 13:03, 7
January 2021 (UTC)
Mobile view and copyrighted images in the "RELATED ARTICLES" page section
I am not sure if this is the best place to mention this issue. Basically, when a
Wikipedia article is viewed in mobile mode in a desktop version of the Mozilla
Firefox browser, there will (at least sometimes) be a "RELATED ARTICLES" section
near the bottom of the page. For each related article that is mentioned, there is
the name of the article and sometimes a text excerpt and sometimes an image from
the article. Each related article has a hyperlink to the article. A possible
concern that comes to mind is when the entry for a related article includes an
image that is copyrighted. For example, when viewing the article Forced-air in
mobile mode, one of the entries in the "RELATED ARTICLES" section is for the
article Furnace. However, the entry for the Furnace article includes a small (and
possibly cropped) version of the image File:Home_oil_furnace.jpg which appears in
the article. From what I can tell, the image File:Home_oil_furnace.jpg is
copyrighted and when it appears in the "RELATED ARTICLES" section of the Forced-air
article, it is not clear that there is any attribution information or any
information about the licensing of the image. Though there is a hyperlink to the
Furnace article, I am not sure that a hyperlink to the article containing the image
is sufficient when it comes to attributing and identifying the licensing of the
File:Home_oil_furnace.jpg image itself. (Another possible copyright issue is when
the entry for a related article includes a short text excerpt from the article.)
--Elegie (talk) 09:49, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

We (well, the software developers) take some reasonable liberty with cases such as
these. While it's possible someone would take legal action regarding snippets and
small versions of some images they have taken that are otherwise free to use, I'm
not inclined to believe anyone would. Especially since these have been displayed
there for some half decade at least, at this point. --Izno (talk) 10:09, 6 January
2021 (UTC)
Tag reverted
Why is '(Tag: Reverted)' present here if new section was made without editing past
revision? It happened on other pages too, when just editing page and publishing
changes. --Obsuser (talk) 10:23, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

Because you reverted yorself in this edit. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 10:48, 6 January
2021 (UTC)
The revert is the next edit [2]. "Tag: Reverted" means "Edits that were later
reverted by a different edit". This can be seen by clicking "Tag" and searching for
"Reverted" (Ctrl+F in many browsers). PrimeHunter (talk) 11:41, 6 January 2021
(UTC)
I think previous revisions in history should not be altered in a way they are
affected by following edits. It is not intuitive. '(cur | prev) 10:51, 6 January
2021 Obsuser (talk | contribs) (133,944 bytes) (+452) (→Klix.ba and Dnevni avaz:
new section) (undo)' (with links, dots etc.) was true for that line in the moment a
new section was made, why change it... I still think '(Tag: Reverted)' was added
when not needed in other cases or even this case but never mind. --Obsuser (talk)
17:41, 6 January 2021 (UTC)
That "reverted" tag is one of the best enhancements to the software for some time
because it makes it easy to see which edits made by a disruptive user need to be
examined. Does anyone know if the tag was added by a volunteer dev or by WMF staff?
Either way, thanks! Johnuniq (talk) 02:40, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
It was added by a Google Summer of Code 2020 intern. * Pppery * it has begun...
02:42, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Interesting. Big thanks to Ostrzyciel. Johnuniq (talk) 05:29, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
War of 1812
On the infobox, it saying 2 years and 8 months for how long it's been when it's
very inaccurate. Something may be wrong with the template being used.
2603:301D:22B2:4000:E0D6:B396:BD2F:1C3B (talk) 02:00, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

No, that is correct, from start to finish, from 18 June 1812 to 17 February 1815,
was about 2 years and 8 months. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 02:05, 7 January 2021
(UTC)
Discussion at Template talk:No article text § TfD merge nomination
You are invited to join the discussion at Template talk:No article text § TfD
merge nomination. {{u|Sdkb}} talk 08:18, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Temporarily watching pages

We now have a new option for temporarily watching pages, which I think is very
useful.

I took a glance at the filter options and did not see a way to filter to see only
temporarily watched pages. is there a way to do that that I am missing? If not, put
someone who knows how to update the filter changes option add it to the list?--S
Philbrick(Talk) 17:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Cool idea, but no, I am fairly certain that is not supported. You would need to ask
for it on Phabricator. --Izno (talk) 20:53, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
@Sphilbrick: Are you talking about Special:Watchlist filters (i.e. to see only
changes made to pages you watch temporarily)? I'm confused what the use-case is for
that. Or, are you just looking for a way to view all pages you watch temporarily
(i.e. to see which ones will expire soon)? — MusikAnimal talk 03:50, 8 January 2021
(UTC)
If the latter is the case, 'View and edit watchlist' (found on the watchlist) shows
how much time is left for temporarily-watched pages. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 05:21,
8 January 2021 (UTC)
BlackcurrantTea, I don't see 'View and edit watchlist' I see 'view', 'talk', 'edit'
and "edit your list of watched pages" but I don't think any of those are what you
refer to. if you mean the last one it takes far too long to load. S Philbrick(Talk)
14:52, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Sphilbrick, in Monobook, the links across the top of the watchlist are (View
relevant changes | View and edit watchlist | Edit raw watchlist | Clear the
watchlist). I don't know if 'edit your list of watched pages' is equivalent to
'View and edit watchlist' or to 'Edit raw watchlist'; Edit raw watchlist doesn't
show which pages are temporarily watched. However as it wouldn't show which of
those have had recent changes, it might not be of use to you. BlackcurrantTea
(talk) 15:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
> Are you talking about Special:Watchlist filters
Yes, when I click on the "filter changes" box, it brings up special: watchlist
I participated in the development of the temporary option, and my sole motivation
was that I am active in CopyPatrol. when I make an edit as a result of identifying
a copyright issue, I'd like to have that page of my watchlist for a little while
but not forever. While I have to make that change manually, I'd like to see all of
the, and only the pages that I've temporarily watchlisted to see if there's some
subsequent activity on pages with copyright issues. In most cases, they involve
brand-new users who may not know about contacting me. S Philbrick(Talk) 14:49, 8
January 2021 (UTC)
A version of the watchlist with only temporarily-watched pages is a good idea.
Aside from its utility for your CopyPatrol work, it seems like an option people
would find a use for, if it existed. It would be a quick way to check on IPs I've
left notes for. BlackcurrantTea (talk) 15:48, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Monobook separator lines have gone invisible
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271482Tracked in Phabricator
Task T269618
In my usual viewing preference, monobook, separator lines like you get with four
hyphens, as below:

are no longer visible and no separation happens. This is a problem for viewing long
lists with separator lines splitting parts of them from each other, such as the
ones created by User:AlexNewArtBot/User:InceptionBot. I tried switching to vector
and the separator lines were back, so this problem is specific to monobook. Is this
happening for anyone else? Is there a bug? Is there a possible fix or workaround? —
David Eppstein (talk) 22:19, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I can still see them in Monobook on Firefox but there is a FOUC where they are
invisible before and then visible after, which indicates that some Javascript is
being applied to hide them initially for some reason. Do you read without
Javascript? That would explain why. --Izno (talk) 22:31, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Hmm, I'm seeing this too, replicated on testwiki
missing hl in monobook
hl shows with safemode
— xaosflux Talk 22:59, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
OK, now its inconsistent.... annoying for sure. — xaosflux Talk 23:01, 7 January
2021 (UTC)
Missing for me too (FF 52.9, MonoBook), might be related to MediaWiki
talk:Common.css#Infoboxes? or maybe WP:ITSTHURSDAY. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 23:08, 7
January 2021 (UTC)
Nah, the only correlation is that it's Thursday. The infobox query is due to some
work that Isarra did on Timeless skin. --Izno (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Getting to happen with regularity, added notes to the ticket. Possibly related to
"content box" styling. — xaosflux Talk 23:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
Missing for me, too, on my userpage (specifically noticed it at
User:Rhododendrites/hr2top), but switching from Monobook to Vector fixed it (don't
make me switch for good!). — Rhododendrites talk \\ 23:34, 7 January 2021 (UTC)
I totally forgot I could hotfix this locally as a guaranteed display. Done. HRs
should reappear for you soonly. --Izno (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Is now phab:T269618. — xaosflux Talk 02:34, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Problems with Tables and Infoboxes
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271473
Hi, sorry if I'm posting in the wrong place or something, but I'm in need of help.
Whenever I look at certain pages on Wikipedia, tables and infoboxes display
incorrectly. They either go out of bounds, stretch longer than usual, or add a
bunch of white space (happens to me with the GameCube infobox and tables of review
scores for just about any video game). This occurs on both my laptop and desktop,
but strangely doesn't occur when I'm not signed in. I tried switching themes, and
the same theme looked different when comparing logged in to not logged in. This has
only started recently, anyone have any clue what could be causing this? Thanks for
reading. | NJ (talk) 06:14, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Njsmooth2600, I am by no means an expert, and was coming here to ask my own

question, but saw this and recognized it as being similar to something that
happened to me in the recent-ish past. My issue was the addition a bunch of white
space to the right of my screen, and it only happened when I was logged in. The
solution for me was a setting I didn't realize I had turned on (Preferences »
Gadgets » Appearance » "Improved appearance for mobile, narrow, and wide screens").
Try turning that off and see if it works! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 08:24, 8
January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Njsmooth2600: What is your skin at Special:Preferences#mw-
prefsection-rendering? What is your browser? Try to bypass your cache on GameCube
with Ctrl+F5 in many Windows browsers, not merely F5. Please link an example
article with a table of review scores where it happens. Does it happen at Grand
Theft Auto (video game)#Reception? If it does then is it the same in safemode? Some
things look bad in safemode but that table should be the same. PrimeHunter (talk)
08:31, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter:Hi, sorry for taking so long to respond. I'm currently using the
chromium-based edge with the Timeless skin, and the issue does persist on the GTA
page. As of now, I've disabled all Gadgets, did the cache reload thing. reset my
browser cache and cookies, and using safemode (tables still jank), but nothing
works. Something I have noticed is that, for a split second while it's loading, the
page looks fine (Infobox fine on GameCube, table fine on GTA), but then immediately
reverts to jank. Sorry... | NJ (talk) 14:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
This is phab:T271473. You can switch skins temporarily or wait until it is fixed.
--Izno (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
(I wrote this before your reply, but I still thought I'd share it) Small update, I
figured out that when I switch from Timeless to Vector, then back to Timeless, the
"Improved appearance for mobile and narrow screens" Gadget keeps getting turned
back on. I also compared the vector skins when logged in to not logged in (using
the GTA page), and I noticed a couple differences with the page (the most notable
being the page margins being MASSIVE when logged in). At this point, I'm pretty
sure it has something to do with that gadget, but I'm not at all sure what. | NJ
(talk) 15:28, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
It also happens without the gadget. Something in Timeless is adding style="width:
956px;" to <caption>...</caption>. The number 956 depends on the window width. It
apparently tries to center the caption in the whole window instead of the table.
Tiny example:
{| style="border: 1px solid;"
|+ Caption
|-
|Cell
|}
It produces:
Caption
Cell
View in Timeless PrimeHunter (talk) 15:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Sorry, I'll fix it! It's a bit of bad js doing this. I was trying to make
overflowing table captions stay visible regardless of scroll, but uuuh clearly it
didn't quite target correctly. I think it's a simple fix but I gotta find an
infobox I can easily yoink for better testing both to be sure here, and to make
sure nothing like this happens again... -— Isarra ༆ 17:43, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

Timeless formatting infobox bug

Example of bug on 2020 United States Senate elections

Vector formats correctly however

So I have been having this issue with Timeless UI, it is extremely annoying. I
much, much prefer timeless over Vector however a recent bugs apears to be that
infoboxs always go to the top. It's extremely annoying, does anyone else have this
bug or a solution? Can somebody check if it just a issue for me? It's pretty major
and is an eye sore. Thanks. Des Vallee (talk) 01:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Nope, moved to the relevant place here. --Izno (talk) 01:38, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
A fix is on the way. A possible temporary fix for yourself in
Special:MyPage/timeless.css:
caption {width:auto !important;}
Remove it when the real fix is deployed. PrimeHunter (talk) 07:57, 9 January 2021
(UTC)
Automatic edit count
Just a quick question - is there a way (say, a template or something), that can
automatically retrieve an editor's edit count? I tried {{Editcount}} but it was not
what I was looking for. I'm just thinking something that I could plug into a
template such as {{Service award progress}} under the edits parameter that would
let me avoid having to manually update my edit count every so often. Thanks!
PCN02WPS (talk | contribs) 08:27, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

PCN02WPS, nope, no such template currently exists, despite perennial requests for
it. See e.g. this discussion from a few months back. A template that scrapes the
bot-updated WP:List of Wikipedians by edit count would I think be possible, but it
wouldn't be easy and wouldn't cover editors with low edit counts. {{u|Sdkb}} talk
09:19, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
See also Wikipedia:Bot requests/Frequently denied bots#Bots to update edit counts
and Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/EditCountBot. PrimeHunter (talk) 15:54, 8
January 2021 (UTC)
Sdkb and PrimeHunter, thanks anyways for your responses! PCN02WPS (talk | contribs)
17:37, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
Pageviews does not work
Resolved – See all tracking tasks below, all appear solved now. — xaosflux Talk
17:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271561 RESOLVEDTracked in Phabricator
Task T271521 RESOLVED
Pageviews does not work, see [3] - "pageviews-20210106-140000.gz" is the last file.
--BlueDonny (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2021 (UTC)

@BlueDonny: seems to be stalled, I opened phab:T271561 for you. — xaosflux Talk

17:04, 8 January 2021 (UTC)
@BlueDonny: this should be solved now. — xaosflux Talk 10:13, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
This was upmerged in to phab:T271521. — xaosflux Talk 17:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
403 error on dump files
Resolved
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271616 RESOLVED
@Xaosflux: all of the newly uploaded pageview files since resolution return 403
Forbidden (e.g. https://dumps.wikimedia.org/other/pageviews/2021/2021-01/pageviews-
20210106-150000.gz) — DesertLime (talk) 10:44, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@DesertLime: thanks for the report, prod error being tracked at phab:T271616. —
xaosflux Talk 10:56, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@DesertLime: should be good now, samples I tested all downloaded, please let us
know if you still have an issue. — xaosflux Talk 17:45, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Obvious attempts at bruteforcing my password not being prevented
Tracked in Phabricator
Task T271624
In the last 48 hours, I've received 26 email notifications that there were multiple
failed attempts to log into my account. Why is there not some system preventing
this? — Scott • talk 02:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Similar discussion is at the bureaucrats' noticeboard. It is not possible to stop

people trying to log in at Wikipedia using your user name with a made-up password.
If, say, a dozen attempts were to lock the account so it could not log in for 24
hours, trolls could lock us all out so we could never log in. In your preferences,
there is a section "Notify me about these events" which you can use to not receive
the notifications. With a reasonable password that you have never used on another
website (and same for the email account used with Wikipedia), there is no need to
worry about your password being cracked. Johnuniq (talk) 02:53, 9 January 2021
(UTC)
The bureaucrats' noticeboard is showing more admins being targeted. This happened
around November 2018 and 20 or so accounts were compromised, see
Category:Compromised accounts. Should this attack be reported at phab for dev
scrutiny? Johnuniq (talk) 09:52, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
I found phab:T193769 "Thousands of failed login attempts (wrong password)" from the
May 2018 incident. It contains a link to graphs of "Authentication metrics" which
for January 2021 is [4]. For login errors, holding the mouse over 01/09 (today)
shows wrongpassword around 20,000 at most times of the day. I suppose that is
20,000 per some unit of time—what unit? At any rate, it's shot through the roof
today. Johnuniq (talk) 10:10, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Just a guess but to me it looks like that is a raw number, i.e. 20000 in a 20
minute window, which means that the people behind this have been pretty busy and it
is almost certainly automated. —Soap— 10:33, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
The times are 35 minutes apart. Assuming 20000 per 35 minutes, that's 6 per second,
571 per minute, 34286 per hour. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:07, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Non-admin, but happens to me relentlessly when participating in arb case. Happening
now, a Comcast IP from Chicago. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 21:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
I am on a wikibreak now, but I also received one of these "there have been multiple
failed attempts" messages, on January 6. I was unsure what was happening but
changed my password, just in case, and made it more secure. I did make a couple of
posts at a talk page of an ongoing arbitration case recently. Possibly that's in
part related to these attacks, as SandyGeorgia's post above indicates. Nsk92 (talk)
22:02, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
For the past week or so every day I see multiple pages being linked to Pharaohs in
the Bible
Among the 11 today are

List of characters and names mentioned in the Quran

Midian

Mary in Islam

Islamic holy books

Maryam (surah)

Ancient towns in Saudi Arabia

I don't understand how this is being done and certainly not why. Doug Weller talk
08:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

@Doug Weller: In the case of Midian, it has a navbox {{Characters and names in the
Quran}} which contains this wikitext:
[[Pharaohs in the Bible|Firʿawn]] ([[Pharaoh]] of Moses' time)
The others listed above have navbox {{Characters and names in the Quran}} and it
contains the same wikitext. Therefore all those articles have a link to Pharaohs in
the Bible. That link was added to the second navbox on 6 January 2021 with this
edit so you would be seeing the effect of Wikipedia's caches gradually being
updated with the new information. Johnuniq (talk) 08:40, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@Johnuniq: thanks. I hadn't thought of that - something to remember next time. I
was puzzled by the fact it was happening every day, but that explains it. Doug
Weller talk 11:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
@Doug Weller: If these notifications get too distracting, you can add Pharaohs in
the Bible to the "Muted pages for page link notifications" section at the bottom of
Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-echo. -- John of Reading (talk) 12:15, 9 January
2021 (UTC)
As noted above, it's because of this edit by Chongkian (talk · contribs), which was
in line with WP:NAVNOREDIRECT. However, the edit summary was misleading: it was the
bypass of a single redirect, not a double redir: the redirect [[Pharaoh of the
Exodus|Firʿawn]] → Firʿawn works perfectly well to take you to the desired article
(and indeed desired section), it doesn't terminate on a redirect page.
--Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 12:43, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Empty graphs in an article - is it my browser/settings?
Yesterday I asked a question at Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in the United Kingdom#Empty
graphs about graphs in the article presenting on the page as empty. As no-one has
responded there (despite the page having been viewed 18 times), and as the graphs
appear empty in revisions of the article going back several months, I'm wondering
if they only appear empty to me, as a result of my browser settings or something
else technical. Do other editors see a similar issue? The graphs that appear empty
to me are the first four in the 'Statistics' section here. Thanks. PaleCloudedWhite
(talk) 09:58, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

With Javascript enabled in your browser, the four graphs appear. Someone here might
be able to expand on that but I thought I saw a case months ago where after
sufficient time passed from the initial edit to the graphs, the system had
generated an image that was shown to people with scripting disabled. Or maybe it
was something else. Johnuniq (talk) 10:17, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. I didn't realise Javascript wasn't enabled in my browser - I've not seen
anything similar to this problem in 10 years of editing. How do I change the
settings? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 10:21, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
That's not it. They fail for me in both Firefox and Internet Explorer. I have
JavaScript enabled and other JavaScript works. They also fail logged out and with
safemode=1. As you suspected on the talk page, the graphs are displayed entirely on
the vertical axes when they fail. They display normally in Chrome and Microsoft
Edge. PrimeHunter (talk) 12:22, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
This is Template_talk:Graph:Chart#xType_=_date_makes_the_values_disappear. The
graphs display fine without the xType parameter.--Snaevar (talk) 12:44, 9 January
2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) They display (but look ugly in any browser) if |xType = date is
removed. Here is a small example which displays in Chrome but not Firefox where the
vertical axis is just colored:
{{Graph:Chart
|x=1 May, 2 May
|y=0, 1
|xType=date
}}
PrimeHunter (talk) 12:49, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there a technical fix that's possible so that the graphs display in all
browsers, or can it be fixed via the editing markup? Or, if neither, should a note
to readers be inserted on the page, so that readers with certain browsers aren't
baffled? PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 13:09, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
It works for me to add the year to the dates.[5] Above example with year added:
PrimeHunter (talk) 13:53, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Changing the x values from day monthname year to dd/mm/yyyy, where the month is a
number works with xType=date specified, and is prettier. Seems like the short
monthname is not understood properly.--Snaevar (talk) 14:36, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks to all for the help and replies - the graphs are now showing for me (on
Firefox). PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 15:54, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks all for these investigations and for the fixes- I use a variety of
combinations of devices and browsers and my experience is similar to that described
above (disp=OK with Chrome and Microsoft Edge, was broken for Firefox, but now
fixed)- glad that these graphs will no longer be blank. Another problem I had
earlier was the graphs not displaying properly in 'preview' mode (in some browsers,
but now I forget which) after editing and before hitting 'publish'. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by Yadsalohcin (talk • contribs)
Is there a way to see what pages implement specific syntax from a infobox?
I'm attempted to find which pages that use the "school_number =" via the
Template:Infobox_school Is there a way to search for something like this, Or am I
doomed to look manually and see which pages have implemented it.

I only need to know if they used the "school_number =" not if its been left blank,
as searching for "school_number =" is already easy but almost every page would show
up that uses the infobox if i looked for that. I need to find the articles that
have added something to the variable. for example: "school_number = 555 555 5555"
as some pages are using it for phone numbers, which goes against WP:NOTDIR Thanks,
Darkskynet (talk) 12:29, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

You can create a tracking category in the template, or propose it in a {{template

edit request}}. That could add every page using a non-blank value for the parameter
into a category which you could go through. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 12:43, 9
January 2021 (UTC)
ProcrastinatingReader, Thanks for the reply. This is exactly what i needed! I'll
have to look into how to implement a tracking category. But this put me on the
right track, Thanks again Darkskynet (talk) 13:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Does a search like this one that finds 562 cases give you what you want? — Jts1882
| talk 13:07, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Search for e.g. :hastemplate:"Infobox school" insource:/\|
*school_?number *= *[^\|\}]/. (Note this query is not perfect. Looking at the
template code, I see |number= is also an alias, which would be harder to track.)
Nardog (talk) 13:08, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
The above searches find empty values. Find values starting with a letter or digit:
insource:/school_?number *\= *[a-zA-Z0-9]/ hastemplate:"Infobox school". It doesn't
find the number alias which gives many false hits from other templates. PrimeHunter
(talk) 13:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Thanks the hastemplate was not something I knew could even be searched for, This
looks incredibly useful. I'm using it now to go thru the school pages. Thanks
everyone, Darkskynet (talk) 13:48, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Sports links and European Athletics
Hi there, I have a question regarding the template {{Sports links}}. European
Athletics changed their website and this now means that links in this template go
to a 404 page - see for example the link under External links at Ibrahim
Ezzaydouni. I must say I haven't yet been able to find the athlete profiles in the
new website. How would I go about changing this (or proposing a change) so that
these links are hidden for now until either the links or the athlete identifiers
can be fixed? Thanks, Simeon (talk) 12:50, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Weird log entry (selfadd?)

I just noticed this here from about six years ago. It's something called a
"selfadd". What the heck is that thing? The user has a few of those in their log
history, although I'm not sure which other articles they are attached to. No
special userrights or anything as far as I can tell. --Bongwarrior (talk) 18:12, 9
January 2021 (UTC)

@Bongwarrior: it is a remnant of the since removed courses extension

(Wikipedia:Course pages). — xaosflux Talk 19:04, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
Thank you, I was wondering if it was something along those lines. --Bongwarrior
(talk) 19:35, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
WikiProject Medicine/Archive index
The Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Archive index does not seem to be working.
I'm on a PC using Windows 10 Pro, Google Chrome Version 87.0.4280.141 (Official
Build) (64-bit). If I'm missing something, please let me know! Many thanks - Mark D
Worthen PsyD (talk) [he/his/him] 19:39, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

There is no index there. I made two edits [6][7] which might get the bot to build
an index in the next run. No promises. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:30, 9 January 2021
(UTC)
That bot task is somewhat disfunctional, so I wrote Module:Archive index a while
back, which generates an index automatically without relying on flaky bots. I've
now deployed it at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Medicine/Archive index * Pppery * it
has begun... 22:47, 9 January 2021 (UTC)
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