‘Susan Frykberg had this tak wth Claude Viverin the summer 1981, ‘Claude: Why | wit ruse — ars avery imperant ‘quecion” Bascaly, when Iwas yourg 1 wert 0 8 ooge to become a ther. ana myst contact wih ‘musi waammight mass, Catheter mass, £01 {Shng. and bases trom ht moment on. wares ‘epott tat experence. mean ting th myneal ‘nay its eying ts doe dos he gods So to com ose, Insed fo lool ask wore Chestas doy. ond of Eoure here's alt of psyerologéal so eects to ta. [moana that tere’ otf be someting tly poe {ant to ba sad, and so at tat moment of croton, there's abiscoxresion fury. ‘Susan: And you could oly exprssit sie? Claude: Yes, ony music. wel could be someting oe "isa teo tut basen thn t's muse. The uo {orpurty created a sve oft ge, Bosse Ite {hates a msuncertending, epoca hee h Quebec ‘cause wa tevory Cathe puny aver bea Used ‘word As fr my uss eoraeres. puny tony ‘rpreasng exact wnat you have textes ws ‘ui arty gato thing thal vay whet you ‘arto aay Puts atoll acceptance of what comes Satotmeand anaterpltgsay tmihemostaoropiae ‘way, Hes ne pot dung tne vie ofoeson, theres somang more you cat mepraton. or You {al god oryou alo work on feo levels hs ‘eapeat thew my own sl bm soune st wien ‘ony alttepaintontheinintoheory ot homersin, rd ‘nlopottal we sal tmmananse”Awheloe! eas, iiiey star aremae ne semeng arcs ‘Susan: Callectve unconscious? ‘aude: Soro colecve unconscious but on aigher Tew heres sometungmorethan Be clectve urea ‘Hous thecalectneuneonsooushastaantormodty ‘dons ndtiions fhumanbeings buton fal think hres something mere, un somehow maser eves have wnat Iain sbov ‘Susan: Do you erie your sive as Being sma rom evetopiecsocwnat? ‘ctaude: 1m a human being, wih one history, wich no ‘one: humanbeinghas, Abst has own wy ana ot aurse when fas hua bong wxresses sometNNG. thoes aunty ofa, ‘Susan: Ox, uta not necessary ona perceived lve. ‘Ctaude: Ona parcivd eva.’ oto be he sametirg "oo: Aunty syle anda inty of persona. A Bach Youcansaye Bach, alMozanyoucasayie Mozart a Beetnover a Sraunsky. even f Seavinehy has 50 ‘many socalled yes tsonepereanaiy sane se. ‘Susan: Sravinsty ea good example because you wore fo len to Puna and te Pe of Sprig. c0 en ‘user you woud raver Koow f was he same com Claude: Asan outer, you'd prose oosometina ‘Susan: Not much? Claude: Wel tere are diferent ayes. Me not a one “hot cal guessn my muse wen ough afornt ‘os, bu tose afornt tyes are only trough te factmatireined mar and more my musesltachnaue ‘Susan: Bu ao youre tong bout this pry coming "Tom yours as wel as em oust, ire change, nd the porcpton ofthe god a he nmananee of ‘ihatover ts changes too Ctaude: But ry perscnalty asa whale stays ainays to ame, You tvays feet tke & He child anyway. You CLAUDE VIVIER IN CONVERSATION ont son yours growaldItinktnat hal makestne Unty ota homanteing Of couree haves whats ealod Im pansngs perogs, where you dscover ngs, bo Case you work. Thats why Yeu wo anata pecs ‘Those Quatons you sk aan you ces, moto te {ine hay uranswerabe They olustquosions noe ltteain te htt of imo. The poslam nthowestom ‘ford Bat thy aways wanted to have anowor "uestons ad they thought hat any system, whether Sri poitea! or focal, had to hav an anew. And {hss ha uh Docause his whole way of tank belnge ta er manly way 6 nkeg hte Be Goccdant ay fofnewomante and create cond nameihings.hesadfaliobeman andthe isles ory fal book Bute sey one Raa I Stood (naming ings, you ae an lephant or er, Yyoucan say. a hall youre @bg ica srl Wo You Ung erate you dagorcus? you aok questions wwthovtsrawarng, ‘Suzan hirkhisisthelden ct ternal sot esoovery you ‘inc olsolanoueareat enous aay amg (Claude: Bu in our cttzaton, people alnays expect ‘newer. An aechote anew, to aey, hal Pi ‘run, Andpolteal ys are to sae ing, Th ‘otind anawers ana ty fo apply hose snswers ‘maseas of human beng, Which fe comotas very anger o india! es, War's appr Nom (hatteres cil ehtintne poten use and ‘Susan: Soyou sways sak questonsinyourmusi. what Senotatestors” “Say escquostonsin my reuse. because MUBE 6 Such fr Once yu got tho pce tere, dove, You row: My mses parasox Usvly music yourave Sere devant some avecton or same ar, neg bang ortho cescondo or essaver which ny muse agpenstess andes. ot hve Sent, sal "sements which scmanow las rowers Also the ‘ther har, they lead somewnere, butts ona much ‘mor sue ese, Not onto Sass of aston the “Teeeanda a masining the acta expecatone fhe ‘Stoners | moun expttaone nw Sera sonao. Vor oten my muse does Rave these expectations "chun sorts very Sou nora. sore ‘Susan: Wen thet aude, can you compare yourself wth ‘ay past composes? Claude: | could compare myself wih some Japanese "ruses oBatnese musi Arang te wesem cor Dosers|coucomparemyselwihiezarnsChonn ‘Susan: Mozart or Chop? caause: Yosh ‘Susan: How ? | mean, Chopin's realy romantic, wih ‘ramet cares ara ‘Cause: Wo thor's alvaye curves... butheres in bath ‘hose composers uty in tems line, reeds, ha Imory ane sje of dovloment. tat You dont tn in ‘iho! comptes. Thrws an episode development ‘here you have 8 ca geting bigger and Baye ac Soveogng tat ‘Susan: Bu ats not what we wer taking abou etre, en wa aout carson Theyre data gorgsomonere Ctause: Yor i ie geng somewhor, but is nat ening ‘Susan: Bramstekesit ‘aude: Bootoven or oven Bach. On Ifshardtodetine The. Because Tm nat sni-gestral por seen Qgosival would te some peces a hose alta Now York nero you have rating, Buthore, you Rave & ‘say tent hasta go someutere ‘Susan: You could siest sy thn that's anivomant. Claude: i's antomanti, tut people would say is ‘omantc sometma, When shows 8 very bed unr= [Sanang of roman mass eat Aeualy maybe ho beat exaples af my music are tage lat pices Copernicus Lancy Chi, arco Pee, Samertand ‘ron Boukhare, There | dropped comps what was trib incor westem muse, coupon ‘nd war oa working wn med. Thats to ost Important irk vith ncrewesern manic Te melody 8 ‘most aut. There's alt ot uti nmy muse Infact, oven tdooent sound eo The meta phos ‘hacoarsandsometmos even acauTirpone Buoy 15 a mater of pase-shifing, and oven the phase Siting, use Res andes. ‘Susan: Wl, Lonely Cis seams tome o be pureed. ‘cause: pte meaty, ih colors on tp fa the ‘os te contapuntWheress usar, wh {ko purst one vo done 13 mato of oy — {hers ery the colt. Are tho wory les an, Ede Fovora Cate Vile Eange, tse’ cy maby. ihe ‘pera | veowharmeny, in Oren I used meer chords {hngs tke tat, get he cor, aan Lanay Cnt Use fe colors ve gtr mayoe tothe pure om of ‘ne molacy In Et Jo Rover Cate Vito range, in {arco bad a whole devtogment wh one sod ‘eral rarony, harmony pla eles Iveval las ‘ours, and fat tae up the whole poe. Ard in tat ecehre is 2 fut of melodie weaiment and det \tuprnti ator And thore sv sometmoe Ines. ‘ren drectonscrwatlormatong he colrs. Fat Instaneo, sheer calor yewmcal patams to lo. ‘Susan: Tiss geting back o your noon of cetar de ‘lopment ‘Claude: Yeah. But its aso process doveloemont “Tough notin las ona Taree a procs, omar the coor govs somewhore. But a the sama te, bo- Causal nology theresa tai soeanrey 99 layne! The last one though, took odovere tng Iteck a chance Somehow tose colors wore 8 {an There was someting ari seat Rae iFine banc ting m tose iter pieces was ste ‘neti, but ogertosutan he hy, one ‘Susan: But hnk hats musi aden. Everyone inthe [astuced varousSevaesta sustained), Narmony Erorenesaton or watever Claude: Bu hey nove used clorsinth se way ‘Sesan: Yas tney i ‘Claude: But eat ed inthose paces to mee the cols ‘otal Indopenden om the melody. "That way ‘Sule Cxcartn elas pec, | ook every utescmothemetady Hnnatisaethelast melas ove tao Susan: Soinasense, ifs tyng!lattn an abeoute puy rene elmer muse Claude: Yooh. nancthorpece whore ty todotiskindot thngisPuau Dewaia Butts wasmoreattot he Balinese people, 0 dnt achualy achiev anyhing Wel, sid scheve ant mnte med ‘Susan: Buin fact Pulau Dowaia every fret pace ‘ponding one intonation ls Beal wepercussion, but Pink stings say. wou sound that good, So youre goin fo do hat. n youre searaay edn Sor Youcanteerom nay Claude: But yout taking abou the timbre. Clore ont Coles a specu whch ass from one or ots, ort or ourntas Wo sroud pth sah, the way ink abet musi as who. especialy the ‘etal ie. On the harzonal a couneront he ‘ost noeable character, Buf me, sry Potant for tho oa. you Row many netumeta to Somer playing mary rots, rat ey have have a anzelduselaionshp ‘Susan: Gould it be an automated relationship ke Soom, fointance? Claude: But thats one ting tat seiasm couldnt do Thal you go back to soem, youraveto une tena what ey wantec oo, Sern wanted io ge inavidul note ther owrweght har ncaa waht fd tat neva balarce, so you wou hea a he ‘oes corsetous Thon youwolss host altho ups Erdal groupe wouchavethor om wagttco But Yeuldoa custo ard you say, wel have ay wale Tones tere. nonsense ‘Susan: Exaciy. That's corlaton betwen he weight ‘tan maida noe ends weight worl. Ctaude: Yeah Soharmoricaly.te ont ting you could do isto gve ash cf ote ahen you got uta eang intervals like the tn andthe tvs ovm neon and sown personaty But boy cou saialze he a= ‘eng They ela teva te weigh lhe Wore Fotorshps So somahow, ited nto ths nendes- ‘iptvertcal wot adhe odcorposor they nly Imanagod to ®t he sol wor io a wor har ‘mony, superimposed tae olatonships. Thay ad to ‘Maka compremes ard work soratng out For tat. Batthey dent coitin avery ened may, nt as refed 4s they Oa wih th duratone and the unbre and ‘Gmarmce Als thoes years, they made atc ms: ‘Ghee When yeu ak abu blanca, youcart Ry ‘Smpy saying. 110 12 ptoves, andi Yo 12 ayaa, fu To12torovering bSooen work ata Usual, ‘hose paces ey aoundiertasena ough acu Is ‘sound nat a good sora ploce was suppesed to havo, ‘esreazo fore rtaking ory ery pur feourse. Youlocn ho irate harmoniorer ot Soonborg, he {bls youwhy nerewereraccaves, rds anata {ow m classical harrony, becagse you d that wih {puree and younave ho hein bro then tot {our vole hamrany anymore. rs Pee vcs. Anathe ‘amo laws wore caigg on in he seal wot, where ‘hey i worked wth the ame cones ot harmony ountaporn numba ese and soon. Thao Weber used eancn «ey all used carn. Bt ey ‘rintevcceedincang hat Theory ting they cose 'S'o ceate conan hinds ef hammories sted or Ure ‘wishes So me. when! ook athat ptrred take {imuch nae grr approach mie, ound and sr togae Ard sometimes, stead of working Wi oueanyeatonsnpe beeches nico sth tal concept Tha coneotatrarmony nara Srisrecionalty be non-orectonalty poereon of oneolaraton. Even in countrys weet the ‘Sane way. te very Sp, my king. The wha ‘otal wor, can have 1 ol nerval chr. mass ‘TosoonseSotoen sono andamase of suns ‘ery importa. The chore were you Ree ferent oles, end thi Tension geng Toward enober na hie nave tobe cemahow reapecid. Arde ass, ou ontneartnese rttonehips ary rev, But amass ‘doanthave any accusten spo sit aac lanai can be juagoa around and. usualy I's For ‘bout 8 or 7 noes up, depenng an how they ‘aed. Als, mimes peters ete same tht {oo Alt mass, you get ea And co has a baie aczeusieallaignsip win a singe soured an eral cra chord What happen acousealy ith hone 1 moe noes add tgoter and ge you al te hs ‘ones: Depending ante ena ofthe feral Yeu {ot cernt cars Some thing withthe chor Hor Senany saoron ‘Susan: Sado you tek youve mecconsciousn each ‘aur peoeetecevelop hose noon leroy? Ciaude: Yea, Like Play Demat singe nates chores. “helaat piece only not andinorvals ‘Susan: Do you thik eventuay, having developed a ro ‘rod sense otoashone, at yovlnolongernavets atagorze tem ke a? Claude: |i nays have to categorize hem ke that. But Tow | want ok aout te Nozona wo The re Tonshps of havag wo or toe mates spor: poses ct necassary counterpoint. Coss ‘then to or tree males exe fogetior ne have fering together ports. Tose coming tgster pos ‘re very portant for me. At one pina won |e ‘ountrpa | wolen work one Norzotl rar Ship, ut era sketched ot sre mectngpottsin Sime. Then in between those mestng pots oy wouldnt be ogee the tes, four oF fe mebaes ‘Tho seco wayoftoking at souterpent the much ‘more rained way of Woking at homophony. oF Feterephony. whieh isthe phase-shifting But even ‘hor, you Reve to have poh whore tyr com ‘Basta and tm woring th mpl 0. rps ‘hintrpint ntue the diferent fom hen ‘nolan be caunerptnt would be ust supine ton puting hinge together, no mater wha hsp, wc isnot n tt a musica gesture, a. conse: Tan geste. A musical gore has 311 bo a very ‘oneotous gece, ao very porn For year ve ‘etines my Soutrpom sya seas orang ony tne ine edo have thee vce counterpart horde. es in Orn. An when be chords wou come togoter | woud acheve ake othamone cry. {hese te ae mlode arty, Than wou ned theharon cary would be gore and te mane. he hots, hey woul be cherds ary oe. toy would ‘teome messea, because ere would be tes chore Stpermgosed. ‘Susan: So you have deine hese pts nse which are ‘Coming logere , : hamone pont, o conta: punta ports Coutttey alzobe paroles? ‘aude: Yosh That sa ater of compostion wherethese pom anaes ‘Susan: Yes bum asking natthay canbe. ‘Ctause: Tey canbe anyring Buttor me, tat seat ot ‘lesmpoxson, mare thane rgunzaion sy, whch ferme rot vy reeresarg.Semahow, 'dscovred ‘tote are het very eran temsates ony He Toisonshps Sits mach rove moorart to eaaoieh Troritorships tre. Aso, wet happens ns no! ‘stuaton Ie Met you awe): have sme spontanecut Scauty Atha sates rletonemip. Thon you spp 20 Tepottar — youtransconabis noi music ath a ant ‘Shir, Timecomes ans custvnge up. Bins ngs together, takes thom apart, whatover, Tat makes a ‘very sub ad also avery conscious act ofeomposn, \tceg rae Mochmore consis han wertng com oti wih sstoct tots leantwork ie hat Susan: Butin scones, these ie thing youre ating up ‘se abstact tools They have po meaning In hem sve, Clause: They are, bt hy ae aso .imes very npr "ant the wei drain syste is ube, aa ols Setanlana ba! se Farman natal yt very eines ‘Orathing tats vary mporantstha Younaveta'os! ‘ino Tate» voryrtne ae ea Soman hat he ‘remained uniovened by absractorganzatons. One Gay mayne ‘Susan: But people edt wren they used the Reenacri ‘cauee: Gut bonace series and althose one sees he That ee bans harmonic atte ‘Susan: stil an abstract system Clause: On ne evel ot heang a paroenirg tines rot you wat to be very ose and make te f= ‘hoebetwoen tard 62 then mayo. ‘aude Vir wan Bom in Moral 1948 He tucied ‘must in Monta, Urecrt. Coogre and Pans. Now he resin totaal mos oho tne, MUSICIANS OF NOTE(S) JOHN REA {ae Baganer Sts Ha name was areasy known 10 Mo [ocause had Yea his book of itrws wih American ‘composes called Deset Pans andre was anol schoo! ‘humt Claude Vira rand of mana, ho Mas ily frond me wih Wales adores bots Tet er Ger ‘any. "Horea' come a oie awed bet he {ht dot wien row swung open putng moira ho ‘Sresanc fa mannose coutenares tn carnage mace ‘methnkinmedatey agente budsha. “Helo.” Imtom Merrett among ster Pings," anim a com Poser" "an ea Water wehthe assurance pose end Sderatancing wich mere an ever. conved to make ime oeteve ho was a bugdha "are you fe Kind of {omposer whe STILL composes wih rot” In a fash ‘hs tean Ske queston nadeaueeg he eos tosh ty ead and ry don't know where twas duet sme {eing’ot shame or pice, or os amply te fat tat | Weulan tp abl instant respond, ord the SPPop- "Wit, thought about the question many tes since ‘nen and afte mariage soto speak lr batt oF wore) Eotwoon notes and composer. and how Mis that Moire here are so many tine compose’ of ro) ae elas inormes and agreeable poformersctardtsteers ‘Sinaw muse’ atematve muse. Te corvaty tt however modest whon compared fo ther large urban ‘Sree, is everoles gute tlng and perhaps ror newt he muse senate of tes uch as Cobre or Pais ahr than, les say, Now Yon ot Toroio. The fekowing apres on the Merve! scare. | rus wil be Fer th past number of year, the quantity of prizes ‘awarced in ana ov of Canada to Montes based, Montreal ainod corposors has own her emarkab, oromarably infact tat onemigh nkcomposton (i Gr mtreut nats) lve and wen Canacabuteny be racicodin Montreal Now attough suc asttemetray oom pesumorsous (realy cont wiht fart anhing Fer), the folowing nanvshaustve tt of winners ay Roneibelee revel eomathng te Ivlnes wih which Martel malta the art of compositon Claude Vier: Composer eine Your Canacion Mase Gouna Yor noun: Ganda eB Bares, BrceMatber Theos Lge Pr. 1979 Serge Garant: Thee Loge Pro, 1980 ota ea “Te ues Légor Piz, 1981 Jom Bure: CBCYoung Composer Campton, ‘rt Pa, 1978 9 ‘BAO-Canada Young Composers Compose, Fst Pie, 1961 Serger: CAPAC Young Composers ompeien Frat Preo, 198 Jernwniaz: Canaan Feaoraton of Unversty ‘Wiemen var, 198 blusvarioussacond and nr prizes man inthe CAPAC and Canada Cometiensn 1960, 1981 by Retin Minar (two sesond pasa) Claude Fenrat, Da Lyte and ‘ers One can ao shal a werk by Miche-Sooraes Srdgentwas solctady be nteratenal Jury SM fas he ony Canaan work ob perormod during te 1962 Graz Ausra Wora Muse Daye Teaching and potssonalnstucon as one mightin- age, have tole part lay al of le. Wh Gale Tromblay atthe Conservator, Serge Garam, Andie trot lean Paoheas Couture a José Evangots st he Univers of Morro and Bruce Mather, Bonet Ham: braeus Aces Lanza, Bhan Cherry. John Fea ard oral Seven MGM Unveraty uel to maton the Prinapl schoo anc acadames), young omposeshats Ether daa aie vaety oepporunty eam en Stsiate anc protessora concoms ee wabrangng 8 they ate provocative stmsatng and shove a come Ing tank t goes winout saying thal quod conocer ‘ebroduce temaslves wiue bac cnes st ace away. "Thon too teres he vase. Athough we composers perlomars anc stone in Canada ae ne way 2 wel red orn te area of new musle eeaon, preston ‘ecorang and rade fuser as ate sy, Geman oF the Frente, we In wontea sre sqnfearty beter Sarved nis domain nan Toronto, er earpie. 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