PM
Stance: Hard moment in life terjadi makanya
kita mau embrace.
Counterproposal: give choice to people w/o
burden reaching goal is the only key to
happiness
Models:
1. This debate is about average
reasonable person
2. Embrace being okay to give up
3. Acknowledge and normalize giving up
A:
1. How giving up protects vulnerable
people?
- Reaching a dream isn’t easy.
Externalities exist (miskin, social
norm, competition).
Harmful: chances of succeeding is
low
(protectionnya dimana?)
- Being rational. In opp, forcing
people to keep on trying padahal
udah pressured. Kalo gov, happy
when you settle. Self care is enough
to be happy.
- WC on gov: not trying at all (okay
karna ada closure/satisfied,
redirection of journey).
2. Justified
- People punya limit.
- Avg person knows their limits,
meskipun ga oke dengan
konsekuensi actionsnya at least you
already have actions. Di opp, they
do things for people to accept it, at
the end of the day (don’t feel
happy)
- Even if reasonable, masih get hurt
karena create toxic mentality.
DPM
LO
Stance: ga embrace virtue of giving up. But we
are going to give virtue orang yg punya life time
goal and reaching it.
Goal: org yg punya life time goal supported and
reach it = happy
Model:
1. Giving them advice
2. Realize mental health is important, kita
masih allow break to happen, tapi after
that we give them advice to continue
R:
1. Rational beda dengan giving up.
- Rational itu kayak taking a break
- DI gov, ga bakal appreciate journey
karena after all, semua effort km itu
akan dierased simply karna ada
other externalities.
- Di gov, give up karna ada
competition kalo di opp, based on
our own capability
A:
1. Okay to not embrace virtue of g.u:
- Unnecessary
We live in capitalistic world dimana
smua org pursue their own life =
selfish jadi competing each others.
Makanya yg mampu help us out itu
our own self. Kenapa ga blh give
up?
a. Smua pursue the same thing,
ya lu ga bs give up. Time that u
put on ur effort itu influential
for ur life.
b. Always anxious abt themselves.
Out come: their work life will be more
productive under opp, this kind of people wont
be feeling anxious.
- Enjoy the process
a. Get support
b. Result:
Kalo fail, u feel proud enough
to even try.
2. How people look like under opp:
- People try to seek for solution
supaya ga give up. More effective
to help them: people will be
reluctant to help them. Toxic
environment
DLO
A:
1. Which parameter is better?
- Vast majority of population itu
middle to low class, ga ada
opportunity.
- Opp ga play in parameter nya gov.
Karna trade off nya itu capitalistic
world agenda yang dipushed ke
actor nya gov
- Agenda gov itu lebih accessible ke
mid to low class yg ga ada financial
capability.
2. Konsep for arp
- Settling less is okay, ga untuk strive
for greatness
- Even if it is bad, di opp, org ga bisa
achieve happiness.
- Always something that make u lose
your happiness.
- Why gov caters to this problem?
Karna happiness comes from
something less.
Life meaning if u don’t give up. Rule of thumb
dimana u always underestimate happiness that
u get. Both side ga contempt, mana yang punya
life benefit?
- Di gov ada certain source by
settling
Stop earlier.
More certain in reaching benefits
Chance to excel in other aspects of life.
GW
CP:
1. Justified to embrace vgu:
Gov:
- Avg person
- Mindset giving up itu scenario yang
gambling dan risk opportunity cost
Opp:
- Taking break. Ga ekslusif karena. Ga
give u money and hire good coach.
- Don’t give up on partner karna u
thought dia bakal berubah, itu toxic
padahal u know harus stop.
- Hate feeling failure experience.
Giving up itu stop bkn looking for another
platform. Giving up in gov means fully stop and
do nothing.
It relies on manifestation of people are
unpredictable. Yes people manifest to find
another alternate.
Not give up doesn’t mean it is not realistic, as
long as
What they try to claim?
- Being rationale and fail to maintain
our goal: meaning of life is based
on up and down you are doing in ur
life.
- Mentality by natu
Normalizing giving up:
If it’s okay, pain and suffer itu subjective. Is it
okay to advice them to not give up?
Karakteristik org org itu beda2 karena
Extension:
1. No motivation. Capitalistic world where
you cant always be welfare. Jackma
dulu miskin tapi dia jadi richest people
in china karena dia ga give up and ga
peduli apa yang dipikirin orang.
Important to incentivize. Kalo fail it is
okay.
Out come: ga bakal dimock workaholic karna
ada naratif ini. In gov, what they normalize is
giving up = get mocked.
OW
1. Struggle is worth it
2. Whether or not it is important to not
giving up?
Situation can be better on our side, under gov:
we can do better. Losing NSDC tapi ttp bakal
didukung untuk ikut ALSA.
3. Wich side creates happiness?
Gov: struggling
Respon: - Common kalo lu pny goal
- Ga bakal mental burden karna di
mech kan ada having a break and
2 Better happiness taking a break. At the end: give
Gov: achievable. Karna u bs settle kapan aja. them advice untuk continue their
Miss up opportunity. effort
- Even though mereka fail, it is okay:
a. Maybe they are sad tapi ga
akan burdened banget karna
diekspos sama saying kalo
struggle nya worth it
b. They have that value