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    ae BF CR, UNtTen STATES OF ERA Xs. : Docket so ck O28 Lae C06, jashsgt, eae vol 207 coon BURA 0 ee LAE en For the covermeet: 0 aot ee a or the vefendat: Tppearances conte for the vefenda yi ae Bie (our Reporte: ent Eitan iE ane roceacings recs ded by machine shorthand, transcript produced ASP EESRUEE FS EF BRS. THE WEROTY CLERC Criminal action O26, united states of averica versus Larry coach, 3F. arlene seltys an Joba veniguez for the goverrent. For the defense, Toms vesle, Jensen Barer and Zanes coonell. 5, SULTS: Good anrning, Your Honor. was aévised ty the oepty marshal that Mr mertin vated to talk to ne this ering, bt { wuld ot be able tego back withut the coare's| vernission, THe comet: well, ommally, of course, a witness cant tai to anyone about his testinany once he's taken the stand. 9S, SOLIS: understand that, Your Aer, and would oot do that. aut 1 don't kao at —~ Ti COURT: Right, iF here's something other than ‘that the defendant vars to talk to you about — I'm sorry = a witess, 1 sorry 1 efsspoe. The record sheulé be clear that fe this instance the person we're talking abet is the witness, 1'T1 Tet you go tack and 1 fave every confidence that yeu'T) understand the difference. Ws. STIS: Thankyou, Your Honor, the court down. (rause.) TWE CORT: we're rumning Tate, you koa, because we LTT aot Tet yy 3 « 5 16 a] 18] 8 a a yy 4 3 Tae a juror wo got stock onthe subway. ‘tre ready? WS, SOLTYS: Yes, Your Honor. ‘We COURT: We can get the jury, ms. white, THE DEPUTY CLERK: Yes, Your Hower, Coury preset.) THE CORT: Good orning everyone. Thank you for waking it through the snow andthe spitting ice and everything else, welcane back, ted mornin ‘GOVEROENT MITHESSERBERT WARN SHR THE CURT: ceed worrig, sin. Mi, COWELL: Coed sornig, Yur Hor. tefore 1 begin, there's been so much trouble with the icrophores, do T need to have some kindof a nfcrophoe on? ‘WE DEPUTY CLERC: If you promise te stay at that ome. Ni. COMELL: Twill do my very best. toss xeMNaTTON ar m, COMELL: (Cond aorning to you, sir? A. cond aornieg, (Gy mane is Tes Cooel], represent Larty Gooch. would Tike to begin by asing yeu a fn questions about wha you ae. De you weerstand? A ts, Q, tou are Mt years ol is that right? As . And you're known, you have a stret mane or 2 nickrate, right? A tes. That gaue i warm or Big wera? A Wes, iy 15 that your nichnane? ‘A, That's the rae they gave me inthe street. The nae who gave you in the street? ‘A Some of ay friends in the street that I grew ep with, (ATT ight, 0 you know wy? A saybe Fit that character was na povie at movie was that? That's Friday, Are you mariea? BEBE Bee veneer G Wat are heir ages? ‘A. The oldest one is 15 to three, (So yw have people who you lave onthe eetside? A Yes. Ard people who Tove you on the outside? A Yes Q, T'd Hike to you ask a few questions abort your history, a you understand? A tes. You grew up in the Sth and # area? Ae ees that neighborkoad have a ane, just th and 12 ves. And is that 8th and northeast? sla. Yes. 36], wat as the address of the house chat yu grew op in? ui]. 6586 street mortheast. 18), and you testified that you knew Join Frain fron the 10] MH Q a rH ¥ X 0 1 fy x y a a Py 3 A, to, right sor divorced 418|neighorhoed you gre up in, that's the neighorkood you nent, Do you have any children? 2a) right? A Yes. ala. Yes. (Ho many chilean do you have? 22] 0. The 8th and H neighburhod? A. Tha five, Bla ves. Five children? 24] a, You dich’t grav upon 18th and My correct? A Yes. asfa. ma, cide. L ‘COWELL: Tn going to fave ta rove avy fron the af $0 72 years now; is that right? sicrophne to retrieve an exhibit. 2A. Yes, that's right, THE CORT: 6a right ahead. 3). That wold have heen aboet 3985 that you started selling Wom, cone: 4) drags, correct? Ge Can you see this at all, sir7 sla. ves. A. Yes, Tan see it. 6}. That as aroand the tine that crack cocaine started Go you recogne this as an aerial photograph of the 28th 1] hitting the streets, is that correct? ard ware? tla ves. ‘A. Took at it as an aerial photograph but £ don't know 5}, 4s thatthe drug that you sold, crack cecaine? bere ath and fs at onthe photograph. o}a. Yes. (TFT approach it so that you could read the street names, 11] a. How did you get fat seTing drugs? would that belp? a2]. dest frow other friends, yoo kno, introduced me to the AL sure, 13] drug to ate ney off of it. 1 COMELL: ay approach the witess, Your Honor? JQ. bid you begin as a user? THE COURT: Ys, isla. naw, WY am, COWELL: 16] Q. so you've never throughout your vale Tife used crack (Sir, did you have an opportunity to Took at this zeial a cocaine? Photoara? ula. Aves, 18]q. vast so thatthe answer te that gestion is unanbiguus, (The Sth and neighborhond, it dosn't apear anyoere on 20} i As correct that you hve sever used crack cuczine? ‘this aerial photograph? 21] a, Yes, ive never used crack cocaine as a drug. A. Wo, it dort, This 15 coverert's Exhibit #8, Now, sir, you've been selling rugs since you were aboot 18 years old; is that right? Aes. | hy drugs, ety was thatthe, what you chose todo when yoo were ‘A That's the decision ¥made in ay Tife tht 1 egret ou Q,wlat Ted you to that decison? BEBE S ceva ree ne 1 | 18 1s] a a 2 a 4 4 w mT gees — ape ves. aot a Tot of other opportnities? 2}. and a dine is because it sells for $10, correct? A Yeah, not alot of opportunities and being lazy. ala mes, Q, 14 Tike to bring yor forvard frou 1985 to 1987. tn 1987 4}. A dine ts about 2 tenth of & gran of crack coat, you ware selling crack cocaine, carrct?™ 5] correct? Ass S]a. dest abost, that's about it A that time you ta sony? 7]. If you thine about ore of those Svee'h Lor pactets ar A ss 1} sugar packets tht you put in your ice tea do you kro what From seting drags? 3] 1m talking abo? AM. aa, Yes. Did you have a carat that tine? fa. the aun contained in one of these packets {s abeut 2 A Mt. 12] gra, correct? Q. Tt vas @ god Tivelitoed for you in 197 selling drags? 13]. 1 don't know vba the amount is, A at that te, 1 believe 50, ys. 14]. You've been working with drag al] of your adult life, Q, At one point in 1997 you sold cocaine to an undercover 15] corect? officer, corect? lA. Yes. As 17} q. You often work with weight? (tow euch weight did you sel] to that undercover officer? la, Yes. ‘A. Ke mas a seal] quantity. 18] q. and wore recently you have been working with large weights (4 Aseall quantity, Like 2 ser quantity? 20] Vike btogeans, right? A tts nifA ves. often ven geople, users of crack cocaine they wiTT often za]q, ant back inthe 80s you sarked with sual weights Tike in tiny chips of a rock ever? 28 gras or small parts of a gran, correct? A ts. ula Mes. (Goften sonetines called a dime? 25], You've worked with puader cocaine? iL 2 ‘A Not inthe Beginning, T use te buy it alreudyconted ap. afte at ves at powder? (Through your Tife you have worked with powder cocaine? 2}4, vas not poder, Aes {qa that tine when you were arrested by that undercover Powdered cocaine? 4) ofticer, ras it bya juep out squad? Ave. sla. ves (4. Tyoulé Tike you to hist abut the aroun of poder 6]. You knew that what you had been doing was illegal, cocaine that is a gran, correct? 1] carrece: Ae Urhae ala es ‘Ghat often sells for abnut a huedred éollars out on the 3] q. You didn't vant to go te fail or prise, correct? street, correct? 1]. ves ‘A, Teer sold a hundred gras of powder before, i]q. and but at that cine you didn't really kzor what prison (aut you know how mech a gran is? 1a} mas Tite, correc? A Yes, T kaon hoe nec a gran is on the sale. La]AL ho, 16d nots (en you think shoot the anunt that is gran on the 14} q. You had atria, correct Scale that's abst the sane amount chat fs contained in a 1Sja. Yes. Titele sugar packet, correct? 16], And in that tial you vere fourd guilty of distritution of AL abot, 17] cocaine, cerrect? About eight? A. es. As 1s} ge and that vas on august Jed of 1986, does chat sound right (Aud when you seTd to the undercover officer in 1987 vtat 20] to you? vas the weight, vas ft as much asa gra er nore Tike a dine, & tala, aust about. could have been that tine, tx cealy rot tenth of gran? 1 sure ofthe dae, A Ths 2 dine, 2a}. TF shoved you a copy your ational Crininal Information A dine? 24 cemer report, would that refresh yoor recollection? Ac as cocaine, rock cecane, TE wasn't poder 25], You can. rive never seen it before. x ny] ny 3 ul] a 3 u WR, OMDNGHEZ” We provided defense curse with a ifs ves. certified cecord, IF he just wants to say tat it is, tn sre 2}. now that's the may they doit inthe D.C superior court, we'll stipulate, 3] correc? AR. COWELL; Asgust 2nd, 1388, ala. ves. Nm. DOING: We agree. SJ. and that wean that there was a, there was a flexible WE CORT: AIT right, The parties stipulate | range of sentencig, corect? ‘sorry you have to tell ne the date too, Ta Yes. WR, COMELL: Yes, Your sonar. That the trial as a 8} 4. vou had to do at least 20 aooths on that tine? aust Ind, 198 ala, at as a mandatery 20 months. THE coum: ATT right 10] 0. mandatory waning that you had to doit? ar a, coment: nla. Yes. (we that trial were found guilty by a jury, correct? 2] a. Yoe fad to do 20 onths, and you could bave to do a auch As. 1a five years? (Then you went to a sentencing procesding, correct? ula wes Ans 15]0, and you understand that's different fron the federal (Would soand correct if 1 told you that sentencing 16| sentencing where you get a straight sentence? proceeting as on Septenber 2th of 18887 fa ves. A. could ave been that date. 18], aed ack then in 19870, had a prison of its om, aay. 15] correct? Wi, COMELL: Counsel, you agree with thet date, aaa. Yes. Septeaber 28th, 1984 for the sestencing? a1fa, that was in Lorton? i, COMTNGER: We don't realy dispute, that's fine, nla, ves. yaa, cone 28), own in Fairfax county Virginia? And yor received at that sentencing ata sentence calle, ula ves. hat they called in 0.C. 20 months to Five years, correct? 25]. That's the prison tht you vent to? 1 6 ves 1 [this witress. 4, now it's fair to say, 1 don't wean this to be ironically, 2 &, COMELL: Your Konor, rT approach ff the court tat it's fair to say you dida't Tike the prisun, right? 3] as any questions abuat vty it's relevant, A Nay Tide 4 THE CORT: Wo, can see why it's relevant, it's all Gets talk abot wat it's Tike in prison for a winute, Tr 5} right. prison the guards control everything, correct? 6] sot noeld overrle the objection on that scale, 50 A Yes. 7} 01 Tet you conti, ©. They contrat your eovenents? ' WR CELL: Thnk you. A Mes. } av ma. comet: (They control wat you eat? 10} q. oo you remeber the question, sic? Aes. M1fA. ao, repeat the questi. Q, They control what you can watch on TV? ‘A, Moy not eealy on that. The inmates can prety auch watch vat they vant to watch. Q, Within a range of channels that you get on 2 177 Ames You can't get your direct TV or satelite, can you? AWD, yuan (They contra ven you can go frot one place to the other in the prison? A ts (they contra when you get privileges, at's an exaple of a privilege at Lorton Prison? Ak, OMINGIEZ: objection. entire Tine af (questioning Is irrelevant and outsie of the scape of Girect to what's an example of a privilege in Lorton prison? A, What would bea privilege? Football (Getting to go owt and play football? As, (, That's a privilege that the guards can tae ana from you, carect? Aes You're aTuayson 2 schedule in prison, correct? Aes, TF things get tough, you can't take a trip to earkados cat yu? Am, (You can only spend your aoney in certain ways Tike at the canteen? 2 a « 5 | 3 a Q 3 4 x iL rH BI | 3] fy y # | a] a 2 3 x 3 nies. fh van sia 15807 and it's Tou, people are Youd all the tine? a}a. ves sir A Yeah, sumetnes. 3] eran the Fist tine you vere in prison? Yow dont ge any privacy? Aya. i thine 1 cue hone in 9, Aw. 5}. You got out in 1960 then. whut was the First thing that Yow Tie in a cell? 65} you id wen you got ext? A Yes, ight now Too TTA, Toes in the haa hosse, and there's only nen in the prison? ala. ana hatfecy bowse? As, sa. Yes. (a. And then that doesn't ever talk abot the other prisoners, 1a} c, where was that halfuay hoase located? sone of the other prisoners are pretty bud aren't they? 1] ae Langston Lane, ft vas Hope Vilage, AL Yes. 12]. at happened when you got ovt?-coulé you teTT the Taies| Dn borrible things? 13] ad gencleaen of the Jury what bal fray house is? A. talking about where 1't at non? [A. Halfiay houses when you, you, they centro] you, rot Ma, Lorton? 15] contro yor, bet they house yor there, So you fave to report A Yeah, they o horrible things, yeah. 16] there, you live there but you go to work, You leave and goto (, ait er you're in Lorton Prison at last you fad the bope 17 work evry ay. of getting out, right? 18] q. and thar aates sense, You go cut of the halfay hese in] Ais, 19] 190; is da right? 5, aecanse you knew that it was a 20 ta five year sentence, ola. ves. right? Twenty month to Five year? 21}. hen you were & free man, what was the first thing that A ts, 2} you cia? And you actually 418 get ut fn 1991, correct? BJA. ent hone, that's vat I gid, A its. 24fq. wert hone and sav your fanily? (a. hat as the first thing you Gid wen you get out? B]a. ves, es cm vm (dow any chTdren did you bave at that tine? 1 [entender A Thad nor, 2}, vou were with sontoty? (Gs You did't ave any children? tat faniTy di you see? a} a, Yes. and be sold ‘A. My great ancl and ay Father. 4] qin a conspiracy whe sold to the undercover cop, carrect? (and you Gide't want to go back to prison again after tha, Sa. Ye. caret? 6] a. How mich wight vas sold in tha deal? A Xn 7) A, The sane thing. snd you tuck sone steps to try to keep from gong tack to 8}. aust a tiny chip. prison? sla. ves. A Ye. 10] a, 4 teth ofa grax any? You got a job? aya. tes. Aes. nla. A dine You were roving asbestos, right? fares A Ms. 34] Q, Yon ave to anseer outloud? (and you tried to make money boestly, right? IS]. Yes, 2 dine, A. 16] q. You vere indicted for distribution of cocaine for being a fat it just didn't work out right 1 par ofthis deal, correct? Av Didn't work ost ula. tes. (q. And so in 1991 then the next year you started sel Ting 18] Q, and this tine you were offered a plea bargain, correct? Ags agin, right? tila. tes, A Yes. n1fg. and that plea bargain wa that you got an offer to plead and selling cocaine agai, right? | toa charge called attempted distribution of cocaine, correct? As BIA es. (aed again, sold cocaine to an undercover officer, correct? 24fq. and that's kindof a Tegal ction, correct? Av tn, 1 61d mat persoaTly, it masa codefendant, Thad a Bla. Yes. re You Git really ateapt to sell the coctine, correct? ‘Av Noy Lida’ sell it 1 gave it to soabody else, they sold it. But yor heer thatthe puishnene for attenpteé stributin of cocaine waulé be Tower than the putishent for isttbatian of cocaine, right? A wes (, That's what wakes it a pea bargain? ‘A. Yes, ny Taner aave we, advised me that that would be the best thing todo, Sure, rou reetber bow bad prison was? ‘Ac Yeah, remeber that, yeah, ‘Aad you Kaen you were probably going to have to do sone prison tine, it was your second tine wp, correct? AMS. (GAME you wanted to do as Title cine as possible, correct? A Yes. (So you chose a strategy chat would lead to as Title tie 25 possible to tate the plea bargain? A, Weak, that what Tas advised te do. (aut ucinaely you were the ore who nade the decision, ight? A tes. (2, and you were found guilty of attnpted distritetion of a B x Beat ss 2 a 2 3 x [A Woy T leaded suity. (Yes and were found, pleaded and vere feund guilty on april Mb, correct? Aes (and then you went te a sentencing again on vay 2Ist of wa ‘A, Yeah, that's boat, sounds about right (This tine you got 2 eifferent sentence, your sentence this tine was to to five years? A Two to six years, Tue to sie years? Ae. (searing that you tad to do at least tro years in prison and ight have to do as auch a5 six years in prison, correct? Ae 1. Did you go ack to Lorton? A 0, Sane as before? Aves, but a differen facil Q, Where was this facie? A, This nas Central, First tine Laas im Ocoqean Qa sory you were? A; The First tine Tvent 1 a in occon a. occoquar? cecaine on agri] 1th, 1882, des that soend right? 2]A, Yess aod the second tine 1 nas in Central, the biogest A 4 TaciTity they got dow there Aad you Gant waar to go back to prison agate? (0, Eventhough it's a different facility, stil your Tife is 2]A, no, Fld nt, Centrale by the guards? 3}. You tried to go straight again? A tes. ala ves. a. You stil == fa. vou vent into carpentry? Everything the same, ala es. , everything is the same, stil] jast as bad as before? 1}, You infact started with nartin carpentry Comary, was 185. 4] that your on business? ut apna, you fad the Anpe that at Teast one day you sla. Tes, yes ould get ont, right? A. Yes. (and that hope sustained you through the bad tines, eidn't iv A Yes. 1, Naw you get out, 4 you go tea talfay house when you got out this tine) AL Yes. Gta that in 198 oF 1947 A, That ms 1894, (Gad what was the First thing excuse ne, en yu got cut of the balfay hose, what vas the first thing that you tie? ‘A. dasicaly the save thing, vent to see ay fanily. (4. Peaple that you Toved? A Yes. You started bt carpentry wasn't really your dren, ight? Ao, music music was your dreas. su to fellow your érean you started orn productions, right? That was ny prowoion company. hat does Big Yoru — re serry . hat does aig worn pronoions do, wat 6i@ ito? Te as really promotions entertainment. ould tel) ae the names? ig Worm Enertainents. ig Norm Entertainents? tes. What did fg worm entertarments da? ent out vents for Leal talent and de ay aévisenert and throw shows alaost Tike 2 bigger version of a cabaret. 1 ig Worn Promotions? yl Q B W 5 Wl y W | | a 2 3 uM] B 1 yl Q 8 W 8 16) D| 18) 15] Ft) a 2 3 x 3 x i ‘Started dog cabarets, bit 1 ved up getting Chuck Brom, the at Fron a gay navedweagie, right? Tocal talent aed suporting nse that may aa. Yes. (fd hat vas what you realy wanted to do, Hat was your 3], worked in an ant parts stare on Georgia avenue? reer ala ws A Wes la, tot part of 18th and w? (, But business wasn't aay geod was 18? sla. . A to, 27/0, bor much did yu py for an ounce? (Around 2082 business started getting slow at 8g wer, ala. re varies, you inn, he aight ge e different prices. correct? | Ko aore than a thnusané, 750 to 2 thnsand. Yeah, you can say that, es. 10} a. ther you aot the crac, what fre mas it ir? (fad that's er you started bring crack cocaine again, |, 1s already cooked tp, Sts rack fore, ard correct? 12). tas it eat ap inte serial pactees? A a BA 4. ha, Te sory, 2002 14]. Thats what you did, right? ‘A, DH, 1 think Tas doing a Ttte Bt before ther, just 15]. 40, 1 id't break it dwn in sal], 1 brake it dove to in ll quatities, you kao, ween T needed to, 1e] quarter eunces, 1a sorry. AT right, gel, eee fora understand you wre 17] q. bide’ you in Fact eT $0 SID rocks for $2507 boying and selling soe seal] quatites before that. Let's 18], Yeah, yea, 1 forgot that woTesae, ye. noe up to 2007 if you don't mind 48] 0. tight. So that eens that you ere a wile an betveen A. Oty. 10) satay wo as supplying the cooked crack rock and sonbedy {10 202 you were baying sant ities oF crack cacaine in an 21] an wanted to sell it to individuals, correct? cance to an ounce and a half, correct? nla es A, You said 2077 23| a. because the 510 ba, the cine bag is what an individea a ves? 2 ser would buy om the street? Aves. BIA. ves. 2 Gand you wld ST) sort of a package deal of 50 of tase hare = ad it Teas ws To areas tat are wat propery Befere ‘ividal crack rach to deners, correct? 2 this court, this jury A Yes. 3 We COWELL: Your Hour, iF x corecty parse the (And how wach profit did yu eae onan ounce? afobjection ov of there, it was fndaentaly a relevance 4A, Probably aboot $300, 3, $400 at the wst, 5] objection. Then you developed another crack supplier ned wie 6] this is relevant to show he was -- on direct enanination Clever? i]s witness was taken threugh quite a To of imeractons chat i, oom: objection. 4) he had that Ted up tothe trensition fran crack cocaine t PC. Your Hoor, cove we approach? 8) which as ts understand from the coveraner's opening 5 a0 THE CORT: Ye, 1a} isae in the case, tow his fimvenent in crack cocaine, about] ould you just step dow for 2 second, sit? 1 chr paple'stvolvenent in crack cacine it sees to (witness leaves the stan.) 1a| sbstaria. (Gerch conference.) 15] Second is, the second thing and sort of Targer than 2 NR, DORINGIEZ: We object to the Tine of questioning | straight 401 analysis is that mr Coch has 2 sinthanednet 4s irelevan nen it cones to reiting all of the fnforaaion 15] right that is very broad for cro exanintion on bias, ‘tat this defendant fas provided in dbretins 16] what rn doing 1's working up the bias of hon uch We have to ejection to hin asking uestion abet that 17] money he ad, fost Tike di with the First art of this Tne he mas getting cocaine supped frou other people, ut fas ro 1] of cross exanination which 8 not elicit am objection. tt bustess in this case aout al ofthe ater pete chat b's 1] shows how uch aoe he was waking, nat a Tifestye he had, debriefed abut vio vere supers. 20] AT of which is pare ofthe overall bias pfctue that 1's Ard we have oF course wo objection if he wants to ask 21] painting ofthat he's trying to carry Favor with the goverment cuestons $f he's ever een supplied by suey ao wis part 2n| to gt out of jaf] and becase be had such a ond Tifestyle of the W strat crew and/or on indiconet, aut {t's oat proper 25] before, etd Tike to return te sich a god lifestyle to go tveuh,ehrongh this witness his entire debriefing 24) “Tan co stow tat this war Tost wen he went to prison story, mae by mane because that fs jest frrelevant, 25] and wat he ts to gin by testifying forthe gevermer, u Bl W 5 W y a 1s x a a x 4 8 a, THE COUT: Okay, I unerstead thats where you were soing. The issue is whether or aot you shod be accomplishing your goil, and 1 have mo opposition to your goal, of course, aconplishing your gol by ert ifying by nane each and every person with whoe this particular witness has engaged in dug trafficking. 1 think that canbe terribly confusing and aisleading for the jury. So we're jast trying this case aginst i. Goch, we're not trying a case against the witness. So T think you need to fora yur questions in 2 way that elicits the inforation you mast without dragping every other person he's ever trafficked with through the process, 1 mean, be fas a lif MR, CMELL: There are erly to. There was feagie, and then there's this inividal Rike, Then ne wove onto people who are directly relevat te the indictnen. THE cout: kay, wel, i that case MR, COMELL 1's wot going to beat it te death iF ‘that's what the court saying. THE covet: That's what Ix saying, obay. Then think it relevant for parposes of a future argent that this witness doesn't have credibility. That's ere you're going. it, OME: That's hace we're ging, yes, THe CORT! absolutely. i, OMIM: e're in a postion te stipulate that YR COMELL:noesn't have credibility? WR, ODMINGIET: no, we're not wiTling to stipulate to hat, but we're ina position to stiplate that he had maerous| sources of cocaine. ATV we want to dos 1 think co ast the court to preclude questions about tut their individual caves were. and sme of these THE COT: Just use their nicknanes, ike, just ose ike and don't use the last nae ar anything. i, COWELL: That's Fire with me (over court.) “HE CORT: thankyou Tadies and gentlenen, (vitness resumes the stand.) arm, comet: Q. all right, so ve wee taking abo wie? As Q, TF Just call hin hike, do you know whe 1's talking ston? A You already said his whole ane, so 1 kaowwbo you tain host. 0, okay, you develaped anather crack supplier rare wite? Aw, u (QA he fronted you crack caine, correct? Aes. (GAnd what ft means to front is basically to extend credit? A Yes. ‘From one drug dealer co another, correct? A Yes. |G And he froeted you in units that were called 6s and eights, correct? A Yes. ow a 6 45 a 0's a, 62 fs a unt really only used in the drag trate, right? A Yes. meas esseatiatly & A, Theliere so, yes. qe ecause it's actualy 62.5 gran, correct? A Yes. Aad you wld buy 262 for S180, carrer? rane (and how much would you sel? that 62 for? A, broke it dom im quarters, im halves, so when yeu say, ne get souetines confused because sovetines it's = half isa kilogram, smetings ‘t's a half bat ‘this time it's a balf an ounce? a th of a hilogran, correct? 2 B 4 5 6 ® 3 ay a a 3 | 3 he (And ona 62 that you bnught frow ike, bow auch profit vould you make after you broke it com? A sell a quarter ounce va nore than abort fear, 500. so fear, $500 on a 677 As (Then you nerioned that he mld also front you the tuantity of eights, correct? A Ys. (And the phrase eighth coulé refer to an eighth of an nce, an eight ball? AL Yeah, it could. aut inthis case it nears an eighth of a kiTogran, correct? A. Yes. (And you woud bay an eighth ofa kilagan for $3250, correct A Yes. (a. And vhat did you break that up into? A Save thin Save thing? Ayes. Quarters and halt ounces? Ae. And how auch vould, tow nech souid you sl? those quarters B ct fy ul a a W sl a y | a a a 3 4 3 W 2 BI 4 3 16 | ss] a a 2 a " % ind bal onces for [tose quarters for? A, Teall depends upon if he gave St toe already cooked up 2]. Two seventy-five. ‘n crack fore or he gave it tome in powder fora. So the 3] q. Two seventy-five. so you would se] the mole thing, so prices varies. 4) you world set for aout $5007 tow dos that work? slaves, A. Well, iF you cook it up, if be give it cu nein poder 6] a, se you nate about $1200 profit? fora, 1 beable to extend the ateat of mney get by cooking fa, tes. ita certain wy. 18] a. on each eighth chat you got Fron nike, right? fhe give it tone already cocked op, rn Tiited becaese la. 1 erly got about ore wass, ne solid nas, but if 1 cook it 10} THE CURT: I's sorry, you have to answer outloud, up, Tcan stretch it and get a Targer mass. yy THE MITHESS; I's sorry. so in cenity 1 could tate 2 elghth of power and cook it y THE CURT: That's allright, vp and get an eighth and a 62 extra, 13] 67 mt, coment: (So when you cook up the crack you get sort of Sb percent 4] a. The answer to that question was yes? bonus of crack over the amount of powder cocaine that yoa have? As] Yes, yes. Aves. 16] 0, aod you bought fron mike 20 to 30 tines, correct? (qo Tet's say that he guve it to you i, Tet's use the va. ves. censervative estnat, Tet's say he gave it to you in crack, 50 38] 0, aed soneties you and wie ment in together ta an eighth is an eighth? 18] kilogans, correct? A Yes. ala. Yes. ‘Gen you broke that ap into quarter ounces, how nany 24] q. You would each contribute $7, 0082 carter ounces can you get ost of an eight? ala vs. ‘That's the whole probe withthe etric English systen, 23]. and you would each get 2 taf Kilogram fron sanzica, A Aboot 16, between 36 and IF quarters. | correct? Okay. Let's say 16 quarters, ow much would you seTT 2]. correct ~ encese ae, id you say how much? Repeat that cm ‘uestion ale, afm a veo sell fe fort, five, You wuld each putin 57,007 2}, stateenthausand five? Aes 3] A. wo, 160 and 50 dtlars, (And then you ould obtain a kilogram? 4) sixteen handed and Fifty dollars? A. a kilogra sla. yeah (dod one-half of which each beloeged to each of yeu, 6]. 50 about 24,000 you wold seIT that, the whole kilograe correct? 7 broken ep, you would seTT for about 24007 ‘Av Woy T take 2 Ailegran, he would take a kiTogran slaves. (Oh, you ould each get a kiTagran? 3}. Yow vere making $17,000 on that kiTogran deal? Ae. itfa tes. ‘GYou coud bay 2 hilogran of powder cocaine for 57,000? 1] q, That was a god deat? A Yes. maf tes. (once yoa cooked that up, how wuld you break it up? 33]. aad you testified on direct exannation that you did ove Ac IPT got the Targe mount 1 woalde't oot it up. 1 fest 14| sale for five to 10 Klograns, righ? sell ft. lA. es. Se it as pdr? 16] q.vhich ws it, five or 307 A Powder, yes. 17]. setven that, beveen that, the exact muber wa betweer My fs ct? is} at. AL To get rid of i, 18|Q. $0 ike eight maybe? So even though yor wake nore aoey selling crack with that 20} a. could bave been, ind of quantity, you've got to nove your product, right? nif q. surely you knew at the tine? Ac Yeah, just want to wove it. nila Temas different ocasins, (What writ sould you brea the kiTagran fo? B]Q. oh, see. So it was on nore than one ocasion you sold AL Sane thing 625 and eights. 24 between five and 10 kiTograns? Q, tw mech would you seTT a 62 for? 2s]. Yeah, it could have bee once oF tice, 3k 1 18) 2] a a] a u x Gif Wes sifferent-anoanes between Five and 10, er at's at least tice is't it? A Yes. olay, hen you wuld sel five Klogran, right, 5 bilograns is 10 pounds, oF 12 pounds, nore than 2 16 pound tag of sugar, vhen you old that much cocaine how much did you sell it for? A. According te wat the price 1 get it for. ‘that amu of klograns Tas fronted, (0. So you woulén’t ake any graft? Av Oh, yeah Take sore profit You testified on direct you aude between 40 and $50,000, profit on that big 2 sae, correct? Aes. (We're stiTT in 2002, You net Abul Seth in 202, correct? ‘A. ny Emet hin Sn 2001 belie (4, T8200, and Abéu) seith is suplying you with 2 hilograns a vet you testified on direct? AL Yes, (Aad you're making abot $4,000 profit per kil? Aes. For six maths? Aves. and al right. cause vith 0 T vant to take you for a nonent 0 rt 2 8B « 8 i n u 8 a a F z 4 s ‘riseas 200, oy? A okay. Take second, where were yoo Christeas 20022 A, Kas at hone on christs. (Were your kids with you? A So by ay math christmas 202, fn the yar 7002 you have ade over half a illian @oTTars from cocaine sales, does that sound right? ares mene A nea (Yeah, all f those things you have just eld us about? ‘A. Wo 1 ie't make that auch sore All right, 40,0007 A. Probably, speing muney so 1 can't cout, you brow, T don't think it wa 400. 1 vouTd Rave bought me house to be honest with 9 Gall right, 380, probably? A, It could have been, Tt as going through ny hands quick, yea kam, Q, at that tine you are siting thre with your faaily, you've nade, 1 don't know her auch, byt nore than any person has a right to make in a year, why didn't you walk avay then? ‘A, well, the more aoney you eake a5 T understand y'all knw, “ The wore ney you woe, Be Weigle Wat yu Tive Tr yu gerd mney. do6 1 Tike, Tike he said Tg ive bits, ad so T got three that's nat wins, vat bilagy nines but it's ight Kids chat 1x taking care of. SY kaw yal cen snderstard that, efght sand ay Teste so 38,00 wast vothing to be hoest with yor. Three hundred thsand is wotieg? 4s You constantly paying bis, eight ds. id you send then all to side? friends? xen, how such vas their tition? oid thy go te pubic sels? As Yeah, they go to pbc sels, Tino yu did't buy then a car, they cold’ dive ihe? fe No, Cdn by then aca, ae id yoo by tha cost $30,087 Ac Wot all of the were goon the Mids, Like Esty 1 ot Mitesyle. Okay, and what as your Tifestytet A, You knw, dressing gpd, eating gud, and living cot, 4. Mere did yon go eat hat cost that uch mney? ‘Nice estatrants Tike Rath chris and, you Bow, eeglar spots, chese Cale Factory, Tike elegant restaurant. 4. Tould Tike to tai to you atovt 2003, 208 is wen you started selling #2, correct? That's at ju testified on rect eansation, is that right 4 x A Yeah, abait Oat tee qa sorry? ‘A. The exact dite T don't trot. (sure, bt 2003, soeeine early 2003, daes that sound right? A Yea, (and you sort of svitched fron selling crack cocaine principally to selling cp principally, correct? Aes. And rot everyone in o.c. selling ceack to PCR, correct? AT deat hnow at everytady else do, (okay, well fn 2003 there's still plenty of people selling crack cocaine? Ac Yes, a whoTe Tot of people seTTing crack cocaine, As far as you know stil? a ntole Tot of people selling crack cocaine today? Aes even in the jail? 1 jail, don't koa about fal. ow you stil had soe ceaings with cocaine, ight? Yes. an 077 20037 ves, sit? witch fron selTing CP to 4. aA Probably so, Tn at sire, 1) CTs ay Koo by any other wane? 2]. so for examle, when your apartment was searched on 2] As Nok that knw of. 3] sanary 26th of 2004 you reeenber they found x quarter kiTogran 3}, how, you ere arrested on march I6th. I'm skipping abead 4) oF crack cocaine? | co a statennt that you nade just so you follow we sla, a guarter? 1 thoaght it was a half kiogran, 5S] vou were arrested or narch 16th of 2004, correct? 6]. Two hundred eighty-one rans? fla. ves. T]A, yao sad crack cocaine, Te vas cooked op, yes 7}e. ay the eal? 8], ves, yes. You renenber they found about an eighth of 2 ala wes. 4} kilo of ponder, does that sound right to you? 5S}. the F boys? afa, abou cist. BofA. Yes. 11]. So you didn't stop dealing with crackin, you die stop 1] q. and that ms the arcest you are stil in afl for ted, 12] dealing with cocaine altogether, right? nf righ? 15]. at chat ine Thad ft and te be honest with yeu, 1 could Bla Tes. af have gpten ri of ft, but sat on it becase 1 trying to 4] Q, Yeu nade a statement to the FAL at that tim? 15] leave that alone, 45]a. To the rat? 16]q. okay. ATT right. hon you testified on direct evaniation ala. ves? 17 that ohn Franklin and a guy named fay were your only ula, ves 18} castones, correct? 18] q. and they typed up your statenen, right? ss] a. Yes, ay anor castners ila. wes. ao} Q. For PO. In fect the words you testified on cross 10} a. and they had you rend over the statenent, correct? 21] exanination it vas aTrays just John Franklin and tay, is that nla. Yes. a righ? 22] q, and yoo rea the statenet, right? Bla. Yes. Bla Tes. 24] a. are you saying now that wasn't true? Ufa, and you said it as tro, correct? 2S]. at just, the Targe cunts, asa tes, a 4 Ae vev agreed to sign the statentat? afa ves. 2a ves. 2]. aaw en you say 2 gaTTen, you're takog about Tike the 3} a, aed they didn't ake any threats or promises or anything 3] size ofa Th jug, a gallon of aiTk, a gallon of cP the sure 4} Tike that to get you to sign the statenen, correct? 4) size? night? 5] A, ua, They say ft wuTd probably be in your ay best sla. ves. 6 Interest to sign. 6]. and erankin was buying ove to two gallons ger week fron 1]. be in your best interest, 1 you, you testified? | mn thatstatennt yoo stated and quote Here T prinarily ala. Ye 3] sald pce te aohr, who 1 nw fron the neighborkeod where grew fa, and aay was buying a haf te a gallon per week, correct? 10} op, skinny Frew Trinidad and Fat Boy fron capes. fa. ves. nifA Fran ato? 11]. And bow auch was skiony buying? ma] a. 1 dor's Anon aysebF se 1 wiTl read the statenent agai. 12], skinny was fay. That's whe Twas calling ay. at the 13] 1 primarily sold 9c te John, no knw fro the 1a] tine 1 aides vant to say his wane, say his real nate, you 14| neghbothoud here x grev up, Skimy fron Trinidad, and Fat Be] UJ knoe, 15] fro capes? 15]q. So when Tasted you just 2 winute ago was fay ktown by any 16 Mi, MINED: capprs. 1 other names, yor safé ro, you just forgot about skinny? 7] am, come: 7]. Ro, that's what told the FAL, he afn"t Kaan by skimy, 18] a, oacra-E-RS,. Ts that proncunced Cappers? 18) that's wat 1 told the FRE. That's what I told the FEL. lA. es. 18] 0. How auch vas Fat 909 baying? ofa, That's the stateren tha yeu nade to the aD at that 20) A, Fat Boy, that mas someting that, it yas another dude Y correct? 11) vas dealing with off and or, just éide't want to give bis ala. Yes. 22 nae either. 13]. sow you testified on crass -- excuse we on direct 23]q. Let ne nae sure that I'a tracking this, So when you said 2 examination that you were making aboot $10,000 profit per | seiny tothe Fi? 25] gation of vcr that you sol, right? a] a, Las eefercing to tay. q Q B 4) 8 16 oI 15] | a n| 3) 4 5 o But e's, Bet Rays oot knw as Skimy, correct? AL Xo, he wasn't, , That mas jest a Vie you nage upto feed the Ft AL Tevase't a Hie, Teas tying to protect ie hat Twas trying to do, trying to protect hia You vere trying ta protect hin by telling the FBT 2 Tie, correct? A. TF you want to petit that way, yeah, you could say tht, Q. You wosld say that ton? Ac Wea you could say that, yes. and Fat Soy, he's not areal person either? A, Yes, e's a ceal person, I just didn't mart to give up his nave, That was Gerald, right? That's Genet A Mes. GIs Gerald, fs his street sane Fat Boy? A (0, So Fat aey as another mane that you ede ep to feed the a, correct? A Wes , Anatber THe you told to protect somebody, correct? A ws And how wuch vas Fat say or Gerald buying fron Me was jast geting like # ences. Per eek? ‘Just wanever Tas able to give Tt to fia, 'Q._Soby ny calculation tell ne if this is rot right. selling betgen tao ard four gallons per weck in 2003, correct? ‘A, aasicaly when 5t cones in that Tike. Sonetines it don't cone in Tike that, Snetines don't receive it. GSure, Some are goad weeks you get a Tot of PCP in, soe ae dry wks you don't get very much in, right? A Yes. (Lich is why there's a range of how nich you selT, ight? A Yes. Qs TF you are ming $10,000 per, you're waking between 20 to 140,000 per week, caret? AIF it cams in Tike that, yes. (and hor many, how Tong Gid you make tht, were you ening ‘that kind of aoney? six acts, 2 yar, a1 of 20037 As Noy nt all of 2003 because we vent thrugh a dry spell. (hen as your dry spell? A. Tul say, if 1 can remeber t vant to say erly part of 03. (ast wen you were cranking op selTing

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